in race
#outlaw
vivid vessel
proven ocean
ye
red zinc
id hope not
vivid vessel
ye
red zinc
going dark for taza makes it feel suspicious asf though
red zinc
But blizzard would notice despite that i guess
fathom bramble
idk I'm hearing some rumours of suspiciously doing streets keys right before going dark on taza
vivid vessel
ye
but no
with how much blizz has cracked up on exploits lately
they wouldnt risk that
im 100% sure of that
vivid vessel
is you watching the boss timmy
red zinc
yer
red zinc
oh ye you got pylons
vivid vessel
idk if you can cleave pylion
red zinc
Its worth for that
vivid vessel
you can cleave the echo tho
proven ocean
idk their dps seems low com,pared to what outlaw can do
red zinc
theres gonna be two waves of adds at once or more so no pc value there
vivid vessel
i do think this might be a real pc boss
vivid vessel
doesnt matter timmy
red zinc
But rest of the fight is good
proven ocean
0 outlaws in rwf
vivid vessel
lol
proven ocean
actual 0
hasty warren
so sad
proven ocean
nah let them know idc they have shit rogues
hasty warren
they maybe forget outlaw exists
errant terrace
this was the dslice with m+ build
cinder relic
This is by design at the first raid every time
cinder relic
They don't want to spice up the spec by a large margin with tier sets yk
red zinc
This is by design at the first raid every time
I know but it just seems boring
if the power system is cool enough then it doesnt matter i guess
But getting these hero talents in their release states and that tier set was uh
Depressing
proven ocean
legit only rogue rwf had was jpc
@vivid vessel this makes me sad man
idk
we even had outlaw on dathea in vaults
and literally jpc is the one who started it there
this boss is even a bigger outlaw boss
torpid fiber
They legit just don't know how to play
proven ocean
maybe outlaw is too much investissement for one boss ?
nah
they dont know how to play outlaw
its as simple as that
i know it sounds toxic but its real
its just also bad outlaw design
being only playable by being omega dedicated to the spec
fathom bramble
I don't think it is a bad thing to have a few specs like that
errant terrace
esp on a 3 dps class
hasty warren
idk I played a little and almost slept
so boring
every dps spec are boring beside outlaw
maybe fire
vivid vessel
!fuu
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fathom bramble
sub almost got fun and then they lost the tierset that gave random shadowstrike casts
no procs = no fun
hasty warren
@proven ocean dumb question but they can't like hire an ol main ?
if it's good on a boss like this
fathom bramble
randomly flash recruiting someone like that seems hard
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> dumb question but they can't like hire an ol main ?
idk they almost never bring outsiders
never seen it personally
fathom bramble
people are in their own guilds and might not even be good enough for this
errant terrace
may as well
errant terrace
^^ literally
vivid vessel
for 0.2% dps
errant terrace
give us dagger <-> sword xmogs blizzard!
fathom bramble
even with a crafted mainhand you want to look a real mainhand eventually
strong halo
Zac you always u do everything for 0.2% dps gain
torpid fiber
open as outlaw for transmog
vivid vessel
Zac you always u do everything for 0.2% dps gain
ye but no
hasty warren
u can mog dagger as beer chops
fathom bramble
and unless you plan to kill mythic dimensius soon there is only the vault for getting it
strong halo
But I agree dagger mogs ruins life
cinder relic
Depressing
The point of first tier hero talents being boring is that it lets the base specs breath a little
mighty pivot
you don't need 0.2% when you get 40% from snd bug
cinder relic
Rather than adding layers of complexity in addition to base changes
torpid fiber
if u do every 0.2% gain it makes up for 0.2% loss from dagger
red zinc
The point of first tier hero talents being boring is that it lets the base specs...
Yeah sure and thats great when the thing you’re letting breathe is a good product
thats all im sayin
Hoping the new system is fun
fathom bramble
I don't think basic tiersets in the first tier is a bad idea
red zinc
if they do the same tier set style
fathom bramble
it lets expansion features do something at the start
strong halo
But if you’re raiding as Sub aren’t you opening vault as sub?
fathom bramble
obviously the real problem was us having our class feature for S1 do functionally nothing except give double hook
even though more hooks is awesome
vivid vessel
it was awesome
hasty warren
real
fathom bramble
now we get quad grapple
hasty warren
4 hook is gold
vivid vessel
which is complety useless
fathom bramble
I mean not completely useless
torpid fiber
It's broken in open world on perfectly flat terrain
fathom bramble
A. it's fun(sometimes this is all it takes)
B. Raid occasionally has insanee movement that we get to trivialize
C. PvP
torpid fiber
It's really fun 100%
fathom bramble
carry a flag with quad hook
vivid vessel
pvp 
fathom bramble
and it's hilarious
brisk meadow
Is miss the old grapple into blasderush
strong halo
its usefull on first boss of the raid
Yeah but I look so cool on my
Way to boss
fathom bramble
I don't even care if outlaw is bad in pvp when I can carry flags for fun
hasty warren
I hate thaunt my warlock friend
proven ocean
@vivid vessel 
i lost 2% dps..
talent no work..
its bugged..
it stops working after my opener..
have to relog afterwards
hasty warren
like going somewhere then go back and return ahead of him
vivid vessel
gg
fathom bramble
like compare 2 charge hook to this entire block
only ones that even deserve comparison are sprint talent and 2 charges of feint
fathom bramble
wait 2 charges of feeint is 1 line lower
vivid vessel
yep
hasty warren
btw why do feint cost 25 energy ?
vivid vessel
because otherwise you would macro it into eveyr ability
fathom bramble
because it's offgcd and actually shouldn't simply be free when the cd is this short
vivid vessel
and have 100% uptime
brisk meadow
btw why do feint cost 25 energy ?
Be happy its not a global anymore
vivid vessel
i think feint is in a good state
where you dont get cancer pressing it
but you cant just press it
perma
(you can)
but you cant
(you can)
red zinc
Zac isnt the main reason they arent taking outlaw here also like
fathom bramble
I wonder how much of a dps loss it is to cast feint on CD
vivid vessel
72% slow
proven ocean
nah they have cc sorted out
vivid vessel
proven ocean
rn
fathom bramble
or how much haste we need to not get destroyed by it 🤔
hasty warren
idk sometimes I can't feint because low energy
proven ocean
they 're lacking dmg atm
vivid vessel
kill mobs faster
red zinc
Yeesh
vivid vessel
less cc needed
mighty pivot
the best cc is death
vivid vessel
this boss is crazier than halondrus i think zac
what no way
red zinc
this boss is crazier than halondrus i think zac
Sneaky nerf tomorrow 
vivid vessel
and 40% echo ehalth
hasty warren
this boss is crazier than halondrus i think zac
no way
red zinc
Dawg what
boring
40% echo mightve been needed i guess
but let them get later into fight before nerfing boss cuh
proven ocean
they want a wall
so
they dont want to make the race a 1 day long by mistake
i think its good to have overtuned bosses early on like that
good design
vivid vessel
@red zinc the priests do no cc btw
and they have 2
and i think outlaw being perma 72% slow
is valid on its own
your slow is sorted
for the fight
not bad
proven ocean
zac
hasty warren
why 72% slow ?
proven ocean
idk if ur looking at the setup alot but
vivid vessel
why not
proven ocean
their setup feels like
0 rng setup
like
outlaw might be really bad there ngl
in rwf environment
vivid vessel
idk what you mean
proven ocean
like
adds have to die lets say 15 seconds ok
maybe outlaw bad rng
then it takes 17 sec
and u wipe
cuz outlaw rng
vivid vessel
nah
proven ocean
or?
vivid vessel
i dont think you matter that much anyway
but ye
i dont think thats problematic
for this
proven ocean
maybe
vivid vessel
on these short timers there is a lot of rng for every spec in the game anyway
like outlaw prolly not the most rng thing
proven ocean
true
vivid vessel
on that type of thing
red zinc
and i think outlaw being perma 72% slow
Feel like they could cover these slows with other stuff already regardless though
And these adds zoom so hard that like
red zinc
naw im just saying
vivid vessel
let me dream a bit
red zinc
im not that glad
Idk if all the raiders were already doing multiple accounts before this but
probably going to do it now
red zinc
ye
vivid vessel
latent oak
they would ban them all no?
red zinc
But for something like this that might be considered competitive
vivid vessel
the thing is timmy
red zinc
gotta have some rules on evading a ban
vivid vessel
race isnt a blizzard thing
red zinc
no ofc not
vivid vessel
ye so
red zinc
But i dont think ban evasion should be allowed period
vivid vessel
its not ban evasion
this is every game in the world
watch people get banned in league
make a new account
not ban evasion
valorant ?
same shit
every other competitive game ever ?
same shit
red zinc
Theres definitely games that ban your alt if your main was perma’d
light dune
if you're out of AR, press KS, AR comes back off cooldown, do you insta press AR and cancel KS immediately? dont use KS that global that restores AR?
vivid vessel
if this was a blizzard event they would have banned the player
vivid vessel
meh
snow viper
Theres definitely games that ban your alt if your main was perma’d
Not any actual professional game that I'm aware of, name it pls
dawn talon
overwatch did it
this is just not consistently true enough for it to be relevant
vivid vessel
so
hasty warren
if you're out of AR, press KS, AR comes back off cooldown, do you insta press AR...
wait for ar
dawn talon
e.g. durpee
dawn talon
did you play ow1 when durpee got banned
red zinc
doesnt apply to this hopeful situation but if someone got perma’d for spewing hateful shit id want them to not just log onto a new account and do the same shit again
vivid vessel
i can find 10 examples that dont do that
red zinc
did you play ow1 when durpee got banned
dont remember this nephew
Happened to a friend of mine though
dawn talon
he was legit on the next day on 'durrpeee'
cinder relic
I mean even with reckful for example
when he tried to appeal his ban blizz said "nope, but you can make a new account"
dawn talon
ye that's true aswell
dawn talon
Happened to a friend of mine though
what was your friend banned for
red zinc
Why bother spending wages enforcing shit when you can make more money
snow viper
They just like money idk
No they like their ToS being followed
dawn talon
oh ye
the ow team is a lot more strict
with slurs
than anything else
i like it that way tbh i think it's why ow vc is so much more tolerable than valorant vc
red zinc
love watching those ow team videos recently though
That guy that talks about the craziest ow pro teams
brings back shit
keen belfry
And bad
dawn talon
integration of the competitive community into the ranked people
red zinc
Better vc’s but way worse shit under the surface
dawn talon
And bad
stop the cap jr
goats ow was the best hero shooter of all time
and it's not close
sorry rankedcels goats was the peak of skill expression
cedar kernel
red zinc
Idk the exact percentage but like 1 in 8 ow pros did some heinous shit i cant lie
keen belfry
Best hero shooter is being on a throne of poop
keen belfry
Shooters not named CS are a failure on launch
dawn talon
has a rly rly rly rly rly gross underbelly
dawn talon
people sending dapr death threats & trying to make him enter psychosis before vct bc they wanted him to lose
not even randoms, like relevant people who were schmoozing with t2/shit t1 pros
red zinc
Whats the youtube guy called for ow videos
Kelly something?
Watch his videos
Funny asf
dawn talon
a giant coalition of people who tried to set jawgemo up for failure bc they were racist losers
that one guy who tried to convince leaf he was fucking his gf with deepfakes
unkempt cypress
did blizz add the haste bps to make gearing more interesting? lmao
dawn talon
breakpoints
red zinc
Ah
dawn talon
there's actually so much gross shit that happens in valorant but riot has way better pr managers for the franchised teams than blizz had for OWL
red zinc
Naw they were just tired of us complaining we only scale with 1.5 stats so they gave us arbitrary bullshit
eternal wolf
so, i pulled this off a rare. does outlaw benefit much from on uses like this?
dawn talon
there's actually so much gross shit that happens in valorant but riot has way be...
i can say that confidently bc i knew some of the ow pr managers and they were random 19 year olds LMFAO
red zinc
so, i pulled this off a rare. does outlaw benefit much from on uses like this?
Not really
vivid vessel
did blizz add the haste bps to make gearing more interesting? lmao
more annoying *
eternal wolf
Not really
ah, okay
unkempt cypress
all crit vers was way better
vivid vessel
blizzrad liked it tho
unkempt cypress
wtfff
vivid vessel
i mean idc about which stat i equip
but having an arbitrary number
you NEED to hit
red zinc
Main stat on uses are generally bad since they dont have main stat on them inherently and we have no real burst
white marten
Are you guys getting extremely poor frames in this raid? Mainly when adds start appearing?
red zinc
only the one from raid with dynamic timing might be good
red zinc
Are you guys getting extremely poor frames in this raid? Mainly when adds start ...
Lower your details/plater update interval
Or increase i mean
white marten
Lower your details/plater update interval
Plater or details?
white marten
I didnt know plater had such a thing
red zinc
details probably more impactful
white marten
Yeah i already did. When all the adds pop up on the 3rd boss, ive seen my fps dip to like 20
Ill have to try the plater one
pastel shore
am i crazy or why is that trinket hardly procing?
proven ocean
@vivid vessel oh
zac
lkooks like boe's will be super cheap this season
very nice
avoidance pieces 199k already
cheaper than last season's items current prices
xdd ??
proven ocean
cheaper than last season's items current prices
on all difficultiies
sullen wyvern
The pvp items that you can craft with this, the base ilvl (no pvp ilvl) are champion track or veteran track?
It doesnt say, but it starts at 662 and I dont think its champion track
proven ocean
thats hc ?
its cheaper than hc last season BoEs on all days
vivid vessel
ah
vivid vessel
idk then
vivid vessel
ye
proven ocean
stukk nire aepxnive
still more expensive
so ye
kinda ocol
higher drop rates
last season BoEs were very very uncommon zac
spent over 10m
vivid vessel
i heard they drop form every mob this season
proven ocean
i usually spend less than 1m
vivid vessel
echo or liquid
were farming boes
earlier
by just reseting on cd
which you couldnt do last season
unless im wrong
long barn
!gear
proven ocean
insane
ornate heathBOT
pastel shore
after KS and i have 2 of 4 stacks with no Opportunity stacks, do i SS at full combo points to get coup or spend first?
torpid fiber
spend
pastel shore
so i send the coups at low combo points after?
torpid fiber
you have 2 stacks so you'll send, SS twice, and depending on procs you'll send coup at some point
If you built at max combo points you're just throwing all those combo points into the void for no good reason
It won't actually increase how many coups you get if you build first because of how you get coup stacks (it'd decrease how many you get, actually)
frail veldt
Yeah you want to both not waste combo points and not waste UB charges
You can do both
Build with SS while UB is up
But don't break finisher rules
So don't build at 7cp obv
pastel shore
ye i get that, but with nothing but SS availabe to build stacks and getting a coup after two SS, i will have like 4 combo points (at the lowest), so i just spend with the 4 and after that send the second coup with also low combo points
bronze wadi
how come we take KS for FB ST KIR, just for when we're low on energy?
pastel shore
thanks
torpid fiber
how come we take KS for FB ST KIR, just for when we're low on energy?
just a good button now
low gazelle
High damage and generates cp to use another finisher
bronze wadi
so always just send on cd?
torpid fiber
As long as you're not in subt, yeah
bronze wadi
word
low gazelle
I think they have it in the pins but it’s highest priority finisher if not in sub and your AR won’t drop if you use it
torpid fiber
Honestly I like ks rn, it's actually kinda chill in fights to get a brief break to look around as outlaw LOL
bronze wadi
yeah its nice i dont feel like im killing myself when i press it now
low gazelle
I’m a big fan. Feels good to press and its channel isn’t crazy long unless you supercharge it. And if you really hate it you can always just finisher out of it at max cp and not lose a ton of damage. Seems like a decent spot to be in.
torpid fiber
Yeah
frail veldt
ye i get that, but with nothing but SS availabe to build stacks and getting a co...
Well then keep building
You run out of ub
So you can keep pressing SS
bronze wadi
i always clip it the second im at max combo points and BTE is off CD idk if thats right or not
frail veldt
Also there's a good chance you get a PS during that time
Or can even bf for cps
Or gs
torpid fiber
So you can keep pressing SS
you coup early if you'd build with ss while coup is up tbf
low gazelle
i always clip it the second im at max combo points and BTE is off CD idk if that...
Last I saw it it technically is higher to let it finish (unless it causes you to drop AR) but you don’t lose a lot by doing it that way
bronze wadi
ADHD brain just feels itchy seeing the cast bar
torpid fiber
I use it as a chance to look around, which is really nice bc I feel like doing that as outlaw is hard
glossy pewter
are we early weapon crafting believers?
civic void
are we early weapon crafting believers?
yes
cedar kernel
i miss this
fallen mural
this was the dslice with m+ build
Thanks sadeyn!
strong halo
1.1% wtf
Yeah same is trinket sim bait? On meters it kinda blows
Also I know no one believes me but kyvezza was bugged so many times. Sometimes I would take brans damage. Some time shuffle phase had infinite layers
tight kernel
Pog Hands
keen belfry
u need?
tight kernel
our bis
keen belfry
can i have
tight kernel
yea come raid with me
tight kernel
Dim full ST non paddy pc lies
brave lagoon
guess it's time to switch 
cinder relic
fathom bramble
belt?
strong halo
Lmaooo
fathom bramble
huge catalyst
cinder relic
Literally
cinder relic
Uh
brave lagoon
the whole thing
strong halo
I assume you go ST build no?
cinder relic
Nothing honestly, we practiced like 3-4 times
vivid vessel
holy shmokerino!
cinder relic
Like the hardest parts in general are like
strong halo
Nothing honestly, we practiced like 3-4 times
In m+?
cinder relic
No like on ptr
Hardest parts are like
Mailroom, and the last 3 bosses can easily be a shitshow
brave lagoon
the explosive mail is aids yeah
fathom bramble
hooktail is the only boss that had us even remotely concerned
weary fog
Is there anything different about last boss?
cinder relic
You can fuckup kicks, lasers, add damage on Hylbrande
Hooktail can overwhelm you with a lot of adds
So'leah you can just fuckup the lines
strong halo
What’s diff on mail room
cinder relic
Is there anything different about last boss?
The soak sucks you in, and the orbs you have to draw lines thru move before
cinder relic
What’s diff on mail room
bombs root you in place
strong halo
Idk why my groups always struggle on orbs bosses of streets
near rock
sheesh grats man
fathom bramble
did you do streets key bug abuse? @cinder relic
strong halo
Is it true liquid did the bug where they basically skip streets?
fathom bramble
I haven't seen anything that 100% confirms they did
frail veldt
wdym skip streets?
fathom bramble
a lot of speculation and weirdness around their taz clears though so who knows
strong halo
Yeah apparently if you clear streets go back and start hard mode you basically start at gambit
frail veldt
aaaaaah
strong halo
But a random in a pug said this so take it with 100 pounds of salt
cinder relic
did you do streets key bug abuse? <@96834520417828864>
No LOL
We sent out a ping "Do not do the bug and risk a ban"
fathom bramble
sounds about right
fathom bramble
we came to the same kind of conclusion even though it looks like rwf was doing it
doesn't even skip the scary bosses anyway so likee
strong halo
You go single target build anyways no?
fathom bramble
the risk is so bad to take
vivid vessel
we came to the same kind of conclusion even though it looks like rwf was doing i...
i sincerely highly doubt they did it
weary fog
You go single target build anyways no?
Pretty sure u can swap builds mid run
vivid vessel
max was saying they turned off stream for mental (so a player dont get flamed if fail or whatever)
but also like
no way you abuse that
when blizzard knows
and when they have been cracking down on abuses and exploits
lately
0 chance they would risk it
cinder relic
Did u guys wait for lust and stuff for every boss
We afkd for lust on all the last 3
We realistically didn't have to but it made it literally 0 risk
every boss exploded
random stirrup
skip second set of bombs for postmaster?
cinder relic
Ya
random stirrup
sub is so omega good for that
vivid vessel
sub is so omega good for that
you playt assa i think
cinder relic
I think sub is better tbqh
cinder relic
U can presetup coups, prisms, shts
vivid vessel
and if you lust
random stirrup
yea but you can prep the coup and supercharger and sht and stuff
vivid vessel
every boss
random stirrup
predisorient
vivid vessel
hm
cinder relic
Sin ur also spending a lot of time swapping talents 
cinder relic
FB = 0 aoe
DS = 0 ST
strong halo
I mean look at our damage
Wrong discord channel you traitor
vivid vessel
ah
well im swapping from outlaw to sub (or ass) anywya
im not gonna do some of these bosses as outlaw
but ye
if you waiting for lust im sure you havce time to wait for respec 
random stirrup
this is a random postmaster 2:00 kill from today
vivid vessel
ye ye
random stirrup
no lust no prep stuff
vivid vessel
i didnt think of prestacking coup and shit
frail veldt
HM is a guaranteed mythic piece right?
vivid vessel
ye but assa should do more st in theory with lust
random stirrup
i think sub is probably only beat by ele shaman for that sort of thing
vivid vessel
but with prestacking of coup
maybe not
uh
assa is the same cd timer
so idk
or ?
waht does it change
that its a 2min pull
strong halo
im not gonna do some of these bosses as outlaw
Y??
random stirrup
frfr
strong halo
Outlaw not bad st tho?
random stirrup
you're also lusting pull not execute
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sullen walrus
boys, 2pc new tier set is better than 4pc old tier set?
cinder relic
aye man play whatever u want
vivid vessel
ez win for the assa people
white marten
boys, 2pc new tier set is better than 4pc old tier set?
Imo 2+2 feels kinda bad to play, but it is better in ST
random stirrup
noob robot doesnt prep properly
cinder relic
Those sims dont account for all the prefuckery you can do
vivid vessel
true true
cinder relic
And you can do a lot of prefuckery
random stirrup
just predisorient was like 1%
white marten
Love prefuckery
random stirrup
2-3 in a 1m30
white marten
Zac needs a nerf
vivid vessel
Holy! Everyone running pc on Forgeweaver
for mtyhic tho
looks like a good pc boss
for once
like actual no capo
@cinder relic
did you see
white marten
Im only looking at hc atm
white marten
Zac confirmed PC is not degen gameplay
vivid vessel
like no cap on a stack
fathom bramble
apparently we have a lot of gear
vivid vessel
first time no copium
cinder relic
I mean I say it every tier
Outlaw is sleeper good in every tier
It has its weaknesses but
It is not a liability like it used to be
vivid vessel
white marten
Outlaw usually cranks, but nobody plays it so nobody knows
vivid vessel
ok well
cinder relic
cinder relic
Ya
clear tulip
Its okay i cranked rank 1 of 1 on first boss
cinder relic
It hasn't be a literal burden spec in a long time
Even in BFA u had sanctum
where all 3 rogue specs were op on farm 
Sepulcur was shit pre buff
and then was great post buff with 10 builds
and then DF it was amazing in vault I would argue
fathom bramble
you aree right but those were not bfa raids
cinder relic
Like straight up the best spec on all fights
wait
Ur so right
BFA was not Shadowlands
I remember outlaw on orgazoa
surreal coral
bfa outlaw was great
cinder relic
That was a good outlaw fight
fathom bramble
I reemember our sin rogue trying to swap for it and getting lost
and swapping back
vivid vessel
it makes me so sad
that none of the race rogue
can play outlaw
its actually discusting
everytime i hjave seen them play outlaw
i lose hope
fathom bramble
top damage coin is very goofy
vivid vessel
trickster st imo
clear tulip
i did aoe for our kill
vivid vessel
no pc
clear tulip
but st prob better
clear tulip
i played trickster aoe caus eim still old 4pc
vivid vessel
i was watching a few guilds earlier
and adds were doing nothing
getting insta one shot
it didnt seem to be an issue
cinder relic
I mean the adds that get released are a non issue
vivid vessel
like you just wanna kill boss
cinder relic
Its the adds when they all spawn thats the issue
And u need a mountain of aoe to deal with it
craggy quiver
!fuu
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cinder relic
But the boss also isn't that hard
Probs just depends on ur comp
Our warrior as playing "St with aoe build" and swapped to "full aoe build"
cinder relic
probs a similar idea for rogue
vivid vessel
Its the adds when they all spawn thats the issue
ye but you cant just go aoe build for one instance in the fight
vivid vessel
where i press bf
clear tulip
our other dps cranked the adds
cinder relic
Probs just better to b fb
vivid vessel
like if you go trickster pc
clear tulip
i was gonna switch tO ST then the boss died
vivid vessel
imo you are cooked
tight kernel
Dim with no PC and doing tons of mech vs PC padding parses
vivid vessel
thats my take
tight kernel
Fair to say natty fb is the way for heroic at least
vivid vessel
Dim with no PC and doing tons of mech vs PC padding parses
yhey are both pc
tight kernel
No noob I’m not
tight kernel
Ye
vivid vessel
i was looking at mythic
clear tulip
yeah im teh goober in 2nd of 2nd on mythic kek
storm hemlock
trickster st imo
is trickster st good? I thought we were supposed to use fatebound
tight kernel
That dimmy
vivid vessel
in 2 sec
also im reconsidering outlaw on forge
i forgot trickster
is litteraly
12 %
less st
now
which is
crazy
then you go pc
and you are 20% behind
like ok buddy
calm down now
fathom bramble
trickster got absolutely gutted
vivid vessel
trickster is so trash now
clear tulip
for my char it sims similar because i dont have the new tier to juice the coins
vivid vessel
idk
devs are so stupid sometimes
they neuter trickster by doubling ks cd
then the only thing they do is buff ks damage
like
ok
i just play ks with fatebound then ?
you ok ?
fathom bramble
and give it a worse tierset
vivid vessel
ye idk
clowns sometimes
trickster need to get fixed cause holy fuck
i cant have it be 12% less st
thats illegal
if at least it was like deathstalker
but no
its just slightly more aoe
for infinite less st
i guess it does more prio damage
storm hemlock
I've been having fun trying trickster but its all feels
vivid vessel
since trickster is 12% behind in st
fathom bramble
you get a ST tree or a really bad aoe one
vivid vessel
well your key st sucks
and your aoe isnt even good
cause your st is bad anywya
and they nerfed bf
cause
??
idk
reasons
outlaw aoe was insane
apparently
vivid vessel
ye well
outlaw is like s1
prolly worse than s1
so
get ready for a whole season of that
i hope you enjoy
quaint wharf
ill try to
quaint wharf
ik trickster feels ass ngl
vivid vessel
they dont understand how their own things works
dawn talon
just because they fucked over trickster btw
i would've just buffed flawless form to be 2x as good to make up for half the uptime??
fathom bramble
didn't even really do boss damage even as FB
gg @vivid vessel
one shot soulbinder
clear tulip
one shot soulbinder
joke of a boss eh? our last 2-3 mins we didnt even break canisters
fathom bramble
trying to learn it and we just pull a oneshot before I can do anything
vivid vessel
Ye
Im wondering if even the other boss isn't fb
But with pc
Instead of trickster pc
Trickster is just so Behind
Idk
cedar kernel
i got the base
vivid vessel
The one they are progging rn
Gg
Just open liquid stream
It's an early wall so
Will matters
vivid vessel
Ye
I need to sim 4 target when I wake up
See how ahead trickster is
And if fb is still ahead in boss dam or not
fathom bramble
those extra adds in the cages also barely matter even though they influence your perceived damage so much
vivid vessel
Ye I know
clear tulip
w jus go full ST then vote out add damage when wcl asks
vivid vessel
That's why I was saying playing this boss with pc is cringe
fathom bramble
w jus go full ST then vote out add damage when wcl asks
true
vivid vessel
Like Its litteraly pure pad
That is 100% amped
Idk
I'm disappointed to see every outlaw rogue playing pc on this boss
Even good players
Whatever
fathom bramble
200% amped
vivid vessel
My bad
fathom bramble
it's even more cringe
surreal coral
whats pc
torpid fiber
precise cuts
surreal coral
thanks. haven't played rogue since ansurek 😅 forgot some stuff
vivid vessel
A talent that blizzard designed specially so they could nerf our AOE and justify it
surreal coral
clear tulip
yeah our first 2 pulls the adds stayed alive too long. we were on our third pull then i was like ok next go around i go ST but that never happened
tight kernel
TLDR the convo
vivid vessel
TLDR the convo
Every outlaw rogue playing pc on 2nd boss is a fifty padder padding on progression
clear tulip
confirmed im a padder
civic zephyr
are we not allowed to start in stealth for dimensius
clear tulip
nope
brave lagoon
no opener for you
brave lagoon
pre roll before taking portal I guess, that's about as much I did
vivid vessel
are we not allowed to start in stealth for dimensius
You are if you play sub or assa
Not outlaw tho
tight kernel
Every outlaw rogue playing pc on 2nd boss is a fifty padder padding on progressi...
Adding them to my list
clear tulip
Adding them to my list
tight kernel
vivid vessel
<:monkaS:585734084014374922>
It's so over for you buddy
frail veldt
I will not accept pc in hc
Wait isn't there only one ad?
And it's not even close enough to the boss
frail veldt
Yeah loom
vivid vessel
The one where you break
frail veldt
Or is that not 2nd
frail veldt
Oooooooh
vivid vessel
You can do either
clear tulip
we talking myth
vivid vessel
It's a pc fight of you are stupid and wanna pad
frail veldt
No he was talking heroic
vivid vessel
No it's even worse in hc I'm ngl
frail veldt
Heroic is for padding idgi
vivid vessel
Not week 1
frail veldt
I'm either padding or progging
lone spear
i mean it depends on what your goals are
lone spear
if you just playing the game for fun (crazy) then u can do w/e, but i think optimally u would drop PC
random stirrup
Idk if you think it's fine to int your raid week 1 for fun
maybe in a harder raid tier but we didn't wipe once until H nexus
surreal coral
you're already inting by playing outlaw why not just send it fully
vivid vessel
maybe in a harder raid tier but we didn't wipe once until H nexus
How do you even know
Before doing the boss
Tbh
lone spear
i dont think 1/14 dps losing 15% st (i dont remember the actual number) is going to kill your guild on heroic second boss
random stirrup
my outlaw was in the 2nd run
lone spear
but again, pad is pad at the end of the day