outlaw

[frail veldt]

if you have the rtb buff weak aura you can see this more easily

[ivory ember]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean the macro from the first pinned message

You open with the macro > then rtb > then bte

[worthy thunder]

Aaaaah my fault

[gaunt phoenix]

this seems to not matter btw

[fallen knot]

i just wasted 30runed

[frail veldt]

Oh does it not anymore can I just slam as soon as I kir

[fallen knot]

do i delete my main?

[frail veldt]

I did the same cuz I wanted to craft a wep lol it doesn't matter

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure if it's because

1. it doesnt happen in enough sim iterations to move the average
   or
2. sometimes if you kir 5 buffs and roll, you happen to roll your lowest buff and then you still have 5 buffs ahead the container and can technically roll again

[fallen knot]

i missclicked and phased out with mind upgrading a shit trinket to 704 instead of 691

no 694

cause free

do i uninstall

[random stirrup]

just roll a myth track piece in a slot where you haven't spent runed and you're saved

[jolly geyser]

nah

[fallen knot]

ok

watch me get 3x belts from dungeon slots

and actually uninstall

[compact narwhal]

just looted 2nd tf binding, outlaw is only option now

[frail veldt]

Ah is this specifically with new tier?

[jolly geyser]

did my weekly farm shit yday,nothing

[compact narwhal]

took like a year but only used 1 char

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

old tier you wait cause you could very well just roll 5 buffs again and override all your kir buffs

[jolly geyser]

[gaunt phoenix]

cheap

[vivid vessel]

wait

so its possible

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i was told it wasnt

!!!!!

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

HOLY SHMOKE

im about to come solo

60% HASTE !!!

[jolly geyser]

forgot who posted earlier this morning

they bought one

wasnt FUCKING 8 mill

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wtf thats me !

[vivid vessel]

tf

your alt ???

[proven ocean]

!!

[vivid vessel]

bro you have so much io ross ..

[proven ocean]

ye cuh

[vivid vessel]

such a huge cock wtf ..

[proven ocean]

3099..

[vivid vessel]

no hc one other than that one yet

[proven ocean]

o

wtf

7m

[frail veldt]

Ah that makes sense

[red zinc]

Week 1 pusher

[digital linden]

!sndbug

[ornate heath]

There is once again a bug that lets you spam Slice and Dice during downtime for CDR. It works by causing SnD to refund CPs as if it benefits from Supercharger.

To activate the bug have to consume Supercharger once normally with RTB > finisher, and then SnD will bug out until your next damaging finisher, so you can spam a cancelaura macro while it is bugged. From 1CP, SnD will have an 80% chance to refund CPs so you can't spam it forever. To activate it between pulls, you have to delay RTB until towards the end of the pack. This can mean that trying to activate the bug can cost you more dps than it's worth.

The bug is not a secret to 7 million overalls, it can mostly just help you get AR back through periods of forced downtime. You can also use it prekey to try to spam RTB for a natural 5 roll.

/cast Slice and Dice```

[keen belfry]

zac

how do i do the orb dmg amp boss

in streets

can u never hit the boss?

[vivid vessel]

[untold yarrow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[quaint sable]

Can u evasion Money Order?

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

cool emote

[worldly shale]

looks new

[keen belfry]

how bruh

[candid wasp]

All of my WAs have this black box around them now for some reason. They weren't here last night and I havent touched my weakauras (still running old versions). I tried to update to new versions and they were still there. So I reverted back to old versions to see if they would still be there and they are. Anyone know a fix?

[covert kestrel]

solo we need a pin just for zacs pack

[fathom bramble]

looks like the new WA patch may fix it

[candid wasp]

Sorry I shouldve been more specific, all of the WAs I got from Zac's pack. none of my other ones have this

[covert heart]

yea mine is doing the samething

from zacs pack

[candid wasp]

all my regular WAs are alright

[covert kestrel]

the dropshadow texture he uses is borked, but might be fixed by the new wa

[candid wasp]

I figured thats what it was

cause when I went in and messed with all the settings myself

[candid wasp]

I found that the border settings were to problem. but nothing was fixing them

[covert heart]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fathom bramble]

good as new

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[candid wasp]

mine is updated, but i'll restart game rq too

[worldly pawn]

Hi guys, new here

Question mmm in a keep it rolling build should I use ambush when in subterfuge? or no? I've read that in Keep it rolling build we should never use it

[covert heart]

yup wa update fixed it

[worldly pawn]

Maybe im doing the math wrong but is it really a bad combo points generator?

[candid wasp]

nope, never use it

point is that you wanna use SS for pistol shot stacks

[worldly pawn]

ohhh I get it

[candid wasp]

and unseen blade for the hero talents

[worldly pawn]

so is only because I wan to proc more

[candid wasp]

if youre not using ss, you arent getting to coup de grace

[worldly pawn]

got it

[candid wasp]

I updated mine before I logged on, and now im looking again and theres another update XD

preciate the help bois

it did indeed fix it

🔥

[buoyant cosmos]

I think you used to be able to

[quaint sable]

Ye thats why I asked

in sl u def could

[trim harbor]

2 2/4 sets on outlaw are a dps loss in dungeon slice for me at least dont know how it sims for u guys

[untold yarrow]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster prob wont use 2/2 pc

[maiden quail]

Do you ever feel like a chump playing outlaw?

Like I'm over here playing Mozart and then there's a ret paladin out DPSing me when I fat finger a single key.

The RPM is starting to get to me yet I can't stop playing

[next wedge]

me when the high skill cap spec has a high skill cap

[maiden quail]

true I knew what I signed up for

[next wedge]

my wrist is aching lol

[real yew]

Guys, this WA is good for me to start learning KiR? The logic is correct? https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tight egret]

They really need to hit fix the portals on the last boss to not remove you from stealth.

[strong halo]

no spark this week?

[tight egret]

Nope

[mighty pivot]

[white marten]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight egret]

I use it. I haven't tried it with the new tier though.

[bronze wadi]

Bro why are ret players having a melt down

[edgy phoenix]

because they werent top dps for like 3 days

[white marten]

cuz ret is garbo rn and half the playerbase mains ret

[proven ocean]

[real yew]

ty

[hasty warren]

3rd untimed floodgate 10 ...

I'm cursed

[bronze wadi]

But like they were playable for a hot minute if anyone gonna complain about not being used in content it def shouldn't be ret

[cold jewel]

oh hey thats me

[red zinc]

FUCK RET PALADIN

[fallen knot]

do you think assa is so broken it can justify a 636 weapon?

[red zinc]

[red zinc]

just do visions or sumn

[fallen knot]

i cba

[proven ocean]

lemme join too

[fallen knot]

i want to try 1 dungeon with it

tilt cause i hate the spec and go back to outlaw

[bronze wadi]

Ive just accepted I can never leave outlaw

[cold jewel]

IM NA ):

[bronze wadi]

No matter how bad it is

[white marten]

NO RETS!

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1406009516063195176/image.png?ex=68a0e7e7&is=689f9667&hm=3f0ec6f301a18c5a114eaa7c957ecc844aae7c7a12165b6003434631094644fb&

[proven ocean]

u have the coolest pfp i've ever seen

10/10

[proven ocean]

[forest frigate]

Kicked from pally discord for posting anduin crying in bfa

[bronze wadi]

Make an alt and do it again

[hasty warren]

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

np

[hasty warren]

juste shearching kasane teto on pinterest

[forest frigate]

I'm gonna after work buncho goobers

[bronze wadi]

Send the pic to me, I'll do it too

[cedar kernel]

gm brothers

[proven ocean]

bac the gamer

[strong halo]

i rolled 99 on astral antena and lost

to another 99 tie

[bronze wadi]

[fathom bramble]

all that work for a delve map just to get a mastery ring instead of the good trinket

maybe next week

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i need to add that vers trinket to the gear list

[cedar kernel]

appreciated

[heavy shadow]

Any advice for forth boss hc? Raid seems split between focus one with highest energy or just 50:50 split

[livid pewter]

idk what this 4p does with my brain but it is omega fun to play

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw i think dimensius is gonna have raszageth winds

prob as crazy as it was

on it's prime

[heavy shadow]

does the wording of it (for coup) just mean you can use it twice, second time free?

[livid pewter]

u can press it twice within 5 sec after first press

[worldly shale]

BRUH I WANT IT

GIMME

FAST

[cedar kernel]

something classical returned

[livid pewter]

only for specific pictures we dont talk about here

[fallen knot]

i just hit dummies for fun with my 636 dagger

[livid pewter]

also priory trinket pumps crazy in aoe

[fallen knot]

no cds no on use trinket

kept 8m by clicking random buttons

on assa

they're nerfing it yes?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw boss fr

[sudden fulcrum]

Show video

[fallen knot]

you can replicate

hit 3 times garrote

2 times rupture

[sudden fulcrum]

I want to see you do it

[fallen knot]

1 mutilate

[sudden fulcrum]

That doesn’t sound very random btw

[fallen knot]

tempest

then envenom

and when nameplates became purple or red

vanish and repeat

[sudden fulcrum]

If you tempest you now have no combo points so you can’t envenom

Cool story though

[fallen knot]

yea fan of knives were obvious

[tight egret]

Do you have to do bountifuls to get the levels or can we just spam them?

[fathom bramble]

bountfuls and the invasion mobs

I don't think spamming them does anything

I only ever did bountifuls

[vernal pawn]

how do i sim for outlaw in keys?

[tight egret]

I'm so close to getting the map. Only 715 more xp

[livid pewter]

dungeonslice

[vernal pawn]

thx

[vernal pawn]

dungeonslice for st too i assume?

[gaunt phoenix]

st is just patchwerk 1 target

[vernal pawn]

gotcha, ty both

[gaunt phoenix]

Dslice is a mix of st and aoe, usually good enough for keys

thought sometimes it is a bit quirky with trinkets

[untold yarrow]

wait

wtf is going on

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[untold yarrow]

my game lost 100 fps since i reinstalled

💀

[livid pewter]

fps cap?

[untold yarrow]

turned off 💀

went from 180-190 fps on dummies in dron to 80

[gaunt phoenix]

laptop?

[untold yarrow]

and i was on maxed settings pretty much

tf

[proven ocean]

Might be nvidia changing ur graphics

Or exitlag

[untold yarrow]

exitlag

imagine using that

[proven ocean]

Nvidia the gpu updater

[proven ocean]

Its good what are u talking about

[untold yarrow]

i have perma banned geforce experience

all drivers are manually managed now

isnt exitlag just as cam / pointless unless you live in non-EU/NA regions routing to NA/EU serers

[untold yarrow]

123 is a natural number that comes after 122 and before 124. It is an odd number.

whoops

[gaunt phoenix]

erm

[red zinc]

ok

[proven ocean]

Relax

[untold yarrow]

sorry my gemini implant

is acting up

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[untold yarrow]

need to see a ripperdoc

[proven ocean]

Fake ass symbols

U guys are making shit up gemini makes me spam texts

[midnight thorn]

is dungeonslice a reliable way to sim outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's fine

[proven ocean]

Ye its not ret pala

[midnight thorn]

just noticed fatebound sims higher, im guessing trickster is just better with the big pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's interesting

Dslice does make an assumption of 1 single target boss

where fatebound is very good

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

does fb actually sim higher in slice

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

ye outlaw is so bad

ok

[real yew]

Does anyone have a WeakAura that glows when the correct conditions for Pistol Shot are met?

[gaunt phoenix]

mine just glows with opp

[proven ocean]

Wait rly

[real yew]

can you link yours, solo?

[proven ocean]

Fatebound m+ angle????

[gaunt phoenix]

i think fatebound is okay but not in your keys

[covert kestrel]

are you talking about like the rules for when to pistol shot?

[real yew]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

it's guy's afenar in !wa

i think

[real yew]

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

i think most ppl here wont like weakauras that literally tell you how to play like hekili

[mighty pivot]

solo the faq uses the old KS icon in the rotation section. What if people press the wrong version and they start teleporting?

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[proven ocean]

[covert kestrel]

when new ks role icon

i wanna be a scoundrel

[proven ocean]

!

[gaunt phoenix]

that trinket is so good

uncapped !

[proven ocean]

!

[real yew]

Ye, but i'm too slow to pay attention when I should use PS with 3 or 1cp and spam BtE on Crackshot window. : /

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's fair i just mean you prolly have to make it im not sure someone has it

[real yew]

got it. I'll try. Thanks Solo.

[covert kestrel]

itll just come with time and practice of learning efficient spenders

[quaint wharf]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[normal forge]

@vivid vessel is your phys comp route available somewhere? can i copy/use it?

[quaint wharf]

is there a reason dimensius wep isnt highlighted on this sheet

[gaunt phoenix]

nah it should

[trim harbor]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[compact narwhal]

can someone link outlaw fuu loot sheet

pls

[quaint sable]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[gaunt phoenix]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[compact narwhal]

ty

[worldly shale]

holy schmoly

finally dropped

this fkn

ugly ahh

[red zinc]

GUMBO

[daring oxide]

Wait is it?!

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[tight egret]

Which one? Curse stone?

I just got a vet footbomb. It's pretty fun

Sometimes it will just instantly drop like 4 or 5

[hasty warren]

ok flood is cursed

[worldly shale]

french issue

[hasty warren]

how u know i'm baguette eater ?

[worldly shale]

u sent us

a fkn trinket

that was called

jean paul gaultier

or something

idk

baguette talk

[hasty warren]

wtf

[fallen knot]

a trinket like that would go so hard

[hasty warren]

oh the ulduar trinket ?

[worldly shale]

le male le trinket

[craggy barn]

where the fuck are my shadow lands portals

wtf is this garbage

[real yew]

Should I Dispatch at 5 when I have Opportunity up?

[wintry solar]

why do all your words sound like a delicious treat?

[hasty warren]

u wanna know ?

UwU

[wintry solar]

ye

[hasty warren]

because our language is elegant

[wintry solar]

lol

but fr

[hasty warren]

honnestly it give us sewapeal for no reason,

[wintry solar]

I think it depends on the person speaking it because around where I live it is not very elegant

[hasty warren]

• we're bad at english but our accent is pheromon tier

[inland acorn]

Ss

[wintry solar]

heyyyy closing the channel worked

[near temple]

Can outlaw have dagger in oh or just chunker weapons in both?

[hasty warren]

y

dagger is more poison proc

[near temple]

No notable damage loss then? Is dagger preferred even?

[inner meadow]

ok guys

[hasty warren]

humm it dep ur build I think

[inner meadow]

ret pala got their buff from protest

should we protest aswell?

[hasty warren]

u can sim it

[proper night]

shut the discord down rn

vive la revolution

[proper veldt]

no way it worked

cba

[hasty warren]

it's so cringe

[worldly shale]

but sword gooder

[hasty warren]

obvius

but cringe

[hasty warren]

y

[civic void]

I mean they weregetting bugged anyway, they are gonna act like they had a part in that

[hasty warren]

double cutlas yarrr

[civic void]

it's so cringe

[worldly shale]

weapons cant touch my waist

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

[wintry solar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[royal ermine]

there's no way they just buffed ret

[worldly shale]

im way too addicted to back sheathe

[royal ermine]

for being piss babies

[vivid vessel]

lock down the channel now solo

[royal ermine]

and locking the discord

[vivid vessel]

now !

[gaunt phoenix]

something tells me they were already going to get tuned

[proper night]

only one way to make sure

[wintry solar]

its funnier to think the protest worked

[hasty warren]

u know something ?

[proper night]

WE ARE NOT ASKING TO BE OVER POWERED

WE ARE ASKING TO BE RESPECTED

[proper veldt]

it worked

lock it

down

!

[wintry solar]

gotta reroll from ret to get that

[hasty warren]

can we steal ret buff ?

we're thiefs no ?

[proven ocean]

Fire mage buffs..

[rich moon]

so we locking down in protest?

[rich moon]

WE WON'T VANISH UNTIL BLADE FLURRY IS UNCAPPED

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think outlaw of all specs is in protest mode

[hasty warren]

rn no

[rich moon]

not with that attitude!

[torpid heath]

yes

[rich moon]

/s

[hasty warren]

but when the scaling will nerf us

[rich moon]

yeah, in theory a dagger in oh is a dps gain, but it's so minuscule it won't make a difference

[proven ocean]

Attention whore

[hasty warren]

real

[rich moon]

Now I have a question

[delicate saffron]

what was the command for bis drop table

[gaunt phoenix]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[delicate saffron]

thank you kind sir

[rich moon]

does the KS off hand damage scale with the off hand weapon damage?

[gaunt phoenix]

as far as i know ks is just mainhand damage now

[proven ocean]

For sure

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

so the value of offhand weapon dps is lower than last tier

[haughty wigeon]

this was already known

fro mthe start

[rich moon]

that's what I was suspecting

[rich moon]

so I can use a warglaive of azzinoth in off hand?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

did you get it from the box?

errr

i would not use one from 17 years ago

[nocturne island]

Guys is outlaw giga ?

[covert kestrel]

[delicate saffron]

wha

[royal ermine]

probably over haste req and needs a purple gem for the crit bonus from the meta gem

[torpid heath]

what is the fatebound m+ build?

[delicate saffron]

but why not the other way around ? versa + mastery

[civic void]

The same as usual but you click on fatebound instead of trickster

[royal ermine]

because the meta gem wants 1 of each color for the bonus

[delicate saffron]

yes but wouldnt it be the same but the other way around

or is there no Vers Mastery one, and just a Mastery verse one

[random stirrup]

1 of each primary color

so you need a mastery heavy, haste heavy, crit heavy, and vers heavy gem to max it

[keen belfry]

i swear havoc is op

[hasty warren]

emerald saphir onyx and ruby

[hasty warren]

I fot one in my key 8M dps

on strat 9

[glass mortar]

The heavy vers ones aren't purple

The higher secondary decides the color

So all the purples will be mastery heavy

[delicate saffron]

aaaa okay, thought that would also be purple, tnx

[main vapor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[upper oar]

alright so im new here and new to rogue how do you play outlaw

[edgy phoenix]

#outlaw-faq

[tired rune]

fuck did we survive week 1

[hasty warren]

press buttons and hope u kill mobs before u die

[edgy phoenix]

yee

[upper oar]

@hasty warren poggers

[tired rune]

victory

[edgy phoenix]

paladins got aura buff

5%

xD

[hasty warren]

y révolution worked

[upper oar]

@hasty warren wondering do you know anyone willing to teach or coach me on rogue so im not pure trash only kinda trash

[fathom bramble]

why is this vendor on a rotation

can't buy our good trinket for 2 more days

[hasty warren]

honnesly try first to read faq, look some videos and play on dummies

then u can ask for coaching

[upper oar]

@hasty warren fair ill look at what info is here some look some more stuff up

@hasty warren i used the wow anilizer and it saying im not clicking enough and im not sure how im supposed to click more

[vivid vessel]

@hasty warren fuck you

[hasty warren]

U have to always press something

[hasty warren]

bruh why this hate

I love u zac uwu don't hate me

[vivid vessel]

i love you uwu

[hasty warren]

poggers

[covert kestrel]

frenchies fight

[hasty warren]

btw @vivid vessel on ur plater the cc lock indicator is the little shield on the cast bar ?

[vivid vessel]

no

i think thats just casts not interuptible or

idk

are oyu talking about the dr tracker btw

cause thats a weak aura

[hasty warren]

no cc lock

[vivid vessel]

idk what that is

example ?

[hasty warren]

after too many cc

[vivid vessel]

ye dr tracker

[hasty warren]

mob is unable to be cc

y

dr is for ?

[vivid vessel]

idk

[hasty warren]

kek

[vivid vessel]

waht does dr stand for

[hasty warren]

i can't figure it

[civic void]

diminishing returns

[edgy phoenix]

diminishing

[hasty warren]

Id almost forget this mecanic, never happen in my keys

i'm trying to improve my cc usage so I may used 4 stun on same mob and then brain lagg trying a 5th not working

[frail veldt]

4th wont work

its only 3

full, 1/2, 1/4, immune

[hasty warren]

hum

cheap shot, st stun, blind

[frail veldt]

blind is not on the same dr

[hasty warren]

oh realy ?

[frail veldt]

the DR categories are: Stun, Incap, Disorient, Silence, Root, and Knockback

Incap being gouge/sap/poly/etc

[hasty warren]

I never learned how dr work

I miss gouge

[frail veldt]

Disorient being blind/fear/Dragon Breath(from mage)

Cyclone is on disorient too

Mortal coil is on incap

which is funny

cuz its more like a stun

[untold yarrow]

does anyone have WA for streets from BFA?

for the market

i had a great one but all my WAs seppeku themselves

today

[hasty warren]

so we have 2 stund, 1 disorient and 1 incap

[frail veldt]

yeah

well two incap

gouge/sap

[hasty warren]

3 stun maybe with sap

[frail veldt]

sap is not a stun

[hasty warren]

ohhh

[frail veldt]

stuns dont break on damage

[hasty warren]

make sense

[frail veldt]

all other dr does except for cyclone(disorient), and mortal coil(incap but works like a stun)

and other things that make the mob "immune"

like banish

or imprison from a DH if you take the pvp talent

[hasty warren]

so I want not to us multiple stuns on the same mob ?

[river maple]

damn just need a legendary crash out for buffs

[frail veldt]

you can if youw ant

I dont usually waste globals on stuns unless im desperate

not something you really think about in pve

[hasty warren]

me nether but I feel guilty when cast pass

[untold yarrow]

you can cheap shot everything in subterfuge

[buoyant cosmos]

the clutch kidney to save the healer always feels kinda nice though

[dawn talon]

i must've had less than 50 total kidney casts last season

[untold yarrow]

cheap shot is the mvp fr fr ong

[hasty warren]

kidney full cp is so fun on boring mobs

like the one who teleport

[haughty wigeon]

I mean

[frail veldt]

then do no damage

[haughty wigeon]

Having kidney seperated from bte

Was good

But

Kidney should cost energy only

[frail veldt]

cheap shot means youre wasting a global during subt

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[frail veldt]

kidney means youre wasting cps

I prefer to kidney

personally

[untold yarrow]

but do no dam

[frail veldt]

i think its less costly than cheap shotting

[untold yarrow]

or group die

because nobody has stops

[frail veldt]

I mean I will blind before kidney/cheap every time

[untold yarrow]

yeah

fr

but still

[buoyant cosmos]

pugs trying to not overlap stops

[untold yarrow]

cheap shot underused imo

[buoyant cosmos]

impossible

[hasty warren]

btw why this week affix is not doable with aoe blind ?

[frail veldt]

I think kidney is better personally

[frail veldt]

it works

but you have to target a real mob

its bugged if you target the affix

it wont aoe

[buoyant cosmos]

BE dispell >

[hasty warren]

bruh

[frail veldt]

cuz blizz has issues coding things

[untold yarrow]

i only like it on outlaw

because u have perma 1 cp

[frail veldt]

so you have to hope theres a mob nearby the affix

[untold yarrow]

and can send it whenever just to quickly stop

[hasty warren]

so cringe

[frail veldt]

so on bosses usually blind wont work

cuz the affix is too far away

and aoe blind is too small

[frail veldt]

yeah its an egregious oversight from blizzard tbh

[buoyant cosmos]

So what you're saying is, it's the healers job.

[frail veldt]

were like the only class in the game that cant do the affix I think

not sure what else cant

hunter maybe

[cedar kernel]

brothers

[buoyant cosmos]

they've got that explosive trap or w/e

[hasty warren]

hunt can trap

[buoyant cosmos]

to push stuff

[cedar kernel]

its weekend right

[frail veldt]

ah

then yeah just us lol

[hasty warren]

i think

[frail veldt]

rip

[untold yarrow]

DK?

or is the ice blind bigger

[hasty warren]

sk have aoe disorient

[buoyant cosmos]

Dk has sleet or w/e

[bright crane]

Damn the melt down for the tuning today was short lived

Have we matured?

[frail veldt]

wdym

did we receive tuning today?

[bright crane]

We didn’t

[hasty warren]

no

[bright crane]

But others did

[buoyant cosmos]

The pink class being babies

[hasty warren]

ret did

[frail veldt]

why would that make us melt down

[bright crane]

Usually results in a melt down here

Cause we didn’t get tuning

[frail veldt]

oh did ret get their buff?

[buoyant cosmos]

We never stopped dooming

yeah 5%

aura

[frail veldt]

but sounds like ret wants more

[hasty warren]

outlaw is currently top3/4 m+ spec

[frail veldt]

no

its not

lol

[bright crane]

It’s week 1

[buoyant cosmos]

Affliction got nerfed too

[bright crane]

That’s a meaningless statistic rofl

[buoyant cosmos]

It is in my heart

[untold yarrow]

outlaw scales worse with the season

bigger pulls more burst required

capped aoe

gg

[frail veldt]

outlaw doesnt scale with key level

eveyr other spec in the game does

[hasty warren]

on mythic stats y

[frail veldt]

thats not a stat

all that measures is "outlaw is playing the most week 1"

[hasty warren]

what is a good reference for you ?

[buoyant cosmos]

I feel like all of the rogues that I see are sin atm

[frail veldt]

3 months into a season

[untold yarrow]

zac is playing 9 chars multiboxing

[frail veldt]

people dont even have the new tier set

and were not even geared yet

m+ data is entirely irrelevant rn

[hasty warren]

y

[buoyant cosmos]

bait

[bright crane]

He said why lol

Cause it’s not representative of the actual game yet

[frail veldt]

I mean Ill keep going

many specs improve in their damage as packs live longer

and as pulls get bigger

[hasty warren]

my point was I don't think we'll get buff now

[frail veldt]

and as routes become more predictable

[frail veldt]

blizzard does not generally consider m+ week 1 performance in their tuning

in my experience

they will heavily focus on raid performance

IF they tune around m+ its usually around the 0.5 patch time

[hasty warren]

S1 DF wasn't the case ?

[buoyant cosmos]

They're adding 2 more upgrade levels in .5 again as well

[frail veldt]

nope

even blizzard knows m+ performance isnt relevant this early into a season

[hasty warren]

i hope so

but u know blizz

[red zinc]

man

blizzard was going to do this buff anyway

but now these pathetic bums will think this actually worked

i cba

[hasty warren]

true question, why blizz is doing 10 patchs for tuning and not one big ?

[quaint wharf]

someone please tell me they reopened the ret disc

[frail veldt]

multiple small patches is better

imo

[quaint wharf]

that would be hilarious

[half arch]

how do i get 691 nightfall cudgel?

[frail veldt]

check pins

[buoyant cosmos]

weekly quest

[hasty warren]

y but it's because they are testing many things in same time or juste they delay buff/nerf for more data ?

my autocorrector is trolling me

[frail veldt]

I mean its a feedback loop right

its safer to make many small changes

and see how the playerbase responds

than to make one large change and maybe overshoot/undershoot your mark

[hasty warren]

y I think the same

but idk what is blizz reasons

[tired rune]

@gaunt phoenix you say slight of hand for old tier but it feels so much worse for some reason

[red zinc]

Yet its better

[tired rune]

figure that out boys

[frail veldt]

sleight feels worse than LD to you?

[vague cape]

lmao

[tired rune]

noticeably, I feel like I'm fishing for rolls more

[vague cape]

all ima say is ret got buffs in 1 day

outlaw out here for years kekw

[frail veldt]

thats funny, sleight is a lot more buff uptime than LD with old tier

LD and old tier compete with eachother

in a really negative way

[buoyant cosmos]

appease the masses

[frail veldt]

LD actually does nothing a lot of the time

when you have old tier

[tired rune]

I know it doesn't make sense, outside of just getting really bad rng possibly the last two dungeons

gonna go again

[frail veldt]

just bad subjective bias haha

[vague cape]

jokes aside, rets damage profile is giga dogshit, I actually think outlaw is better inherently - tuning just tends to swing

[torpid heath]

enjoy while we good since we dont scale

[frail veldt]

wdym?

its a 30s-1min class

thats fucking op

[vague cape]

taking call be back soon broski

[frail veldt]

hahaha

[buoyant cosmos]

I wonder how it was once they had a normal ilevel for the patch

[frail veldt]

good question

idk what raid logs looked like from ptr with full gear

[bronze wadi]

The ret buff is the blizzard equivalent of handing your kid a tablet so he stops crying in Applebee's

[frail veldt]

I mean

ret needed a buff

its the most popular spec and it was performing as almost the worst

[bronze wadi]

No I know but disabling the entire ret discord is bitch behavior ngl

[hasty warren]

on priory, do you prio target paladins or priests ?

[frail veldt]

blizz has nothing to do with that though lol

i dont think that influenced their decision

[buoyant cosmos]

paladins focus kick priests is my normal

[frail veldt]

blizz dgaf about a discord temper tantrum

they can pretend like it made an impact

but its very unlikely that it did

[buoyant cosmos]

I get the impression that the timing is going to make some classes feel like it's an option

[bronze wadi]

Just suck it up like every other class does tho

[hasty warren]

I was doing this but idk why I pref full focus a priest

[buoyant cosmos]

Not that it's a good one

[frail veldt]

most classes would complain

if they were that undertuned

[bronze wadi]

Be mad, play it anyways, or just roll a different class disabling discord is peak cringe

[hasty warren]

true players play heart spec even when it's tank damage tier

[bronze wadi]

Frfr

[quaint wharf]

These are not real people bro

[bronze wadi]

That's what I'm saying bro

[buoyant cosmos]

Outlaw be like, Be mad, play it anyways, or just roll a different class disabling discord is peak cringe

[hasty warren]

they are many

maybe among us

[frail veldt]

I mean personally this just makes me think so much less of ret players

[quaint wharf]

Yeah same

[frail veldt]

I never thought much of them in the first place

[bronze wadi]

Your mistake was thinking highly of them ever

[frail veldt]

but this is kinda just pathetic

[hasty warren]

it just confirm thigs

[buoyant cosmos]

A friend whos a great hpal got banned from their disc for asking questions the mods didn't like.

[civic void]

Actually thought we reached peaked entitlement when that mage guy pinged everyone in their discord to have their simc guy unbanned but rets really know how to take first place

[frail veldt]

I get it to some extent but I think its a bit of an overreaction

[hasty warren]

smart ret player are no more than 10

[frail veldt]

Theres good ret players

[quaint wharf]

I never thought highly of them to begin with, but this kinda just sealed them as the laughing stock

[frail veldt]

I dont think specs have that much selection bias of player skill

percentage wise the average ret is probably just as dumb as the average outlaw

[hasty warren]

y like every class

[buoyant cosmos]

There's just five times as many

[hasty warren]

but majority is crayon eaters

is crayon english ?

i'm so tired

[frail veldt]

yes it is

but I disagree

I dont think the average ret player is any dumber the average mage

or the average war

or outlaw

or average wow player

theres just a lot of ret players

so you just see them more and assume that they are the main contributor to dumb players

[quaint wharf]

yeah that makes sense

[jade abyss]

The last 2 bosses feel super bad for us no?

[buoyant cosmos]

the melee range on p1 dimen seems too small so that feels bad

[hasty warren]

idk for me mage and ret players are all dumb exept when they don't

[frail veldt]

DUDE

I TOTALLY AGREE

[buoyant cosmos]

couldn't tell if I was in the soak or not

[frail veldt]

ITS SO ANNOYING

[buoyant cosmos]

"Biggest boss we ever made"

[jade abyss]

and so much downtime that cannot be good for us

[buoyant cosmos]

stingiest hitbox in the world

[buoyant cosmos]

It was pissing me off

[hasty warren]

I'm so happy playing with ret using heals on others or mages mressing deffensives

[hasty warren]

y

I hope they change this

[surreal flower]

pack it up that fight is NOT an outlaw fight

[hasty warren]

btw, who is the guy puting portals to triggers the fight

so we can't stealth

[buoyant cosmos]

I think just landing and AR+ KS on the add then rbt vanish BTE window is the way to go

Idk what other people might be doing

[hasty warren]

the boss is cool but not for us ...

[vague cape]

aight sorry, gf called

soooo

[hasty warren]

I tried using last 2 sec of subt and then regular

[rich moon]

ridiculously small lol, why can't it have a healthy range like loom?

[hasty warren]

but progress was a mess so I did mecanics

[sudden iron]

is KS a cone or full aoe?

[hasty warren]

st damge random target

[rich moon]

each shot is single target and will only hit things in the 180 degrees in front of you wihtin 8 yards}

[jade abyss]

What u think of Salazar ?

[spring bay]

Yeah would be great if dimensius fight was adjusted at least for melee range and starting portal

[hasty warren]

cool boss

[sudden iron]

thx^^

[hasty warren]

best perf for me so i like it xd

[buoyant cosmos]

The box for the last boss in rookery is probably three times the size lol

[white marten]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[normal forge]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[strong halo]

am i the only one that doesnt like the gameplay of double coup?

feels clunky

[jaunty citrus]

yo guys we dont want helm tier piece right?

[rare gulch]

how good is netherprism for outlaw ?

[frail veldt]

Same

It's just more chores you have to do before you can get into subt again

[strong halo]

like no shot this is the best they could come up with

[vague cape]

Why ret's damage profile sucks absolute dick @frail veldt

1. You have fuck all prio damage, litterally adding targets fucks ur prio dmg even if you play for it, your empyrean hammers start hitting random rat crawler with 12m hp instead of the caster about to one shot your priest. Divine storm is an elite pad spell but for meaningful damage it ain't it.

2. while having low cds is nice their damage is actually quite flat, Im sure you're familiar with the issues associated with desiring uptime to do competitive damage, admittedly ret is probably the second best melee at keeping uptime due to range (sv is better at this)

3. Ret's low target cleave is mid, this spec is not good on 1-3 mobs.

hopefully that answers it.

[hasty warren]

hands are of piece

off

[jaunty citrus]

oh k ty

[hasty warren]

helm is many vers

or Crit can't remember

[real yew]

our ST damage sim on dummy is correct?

mine shows 3.5. I can't do more than 3.1...

[jaunty citrus]

helm is hight crit low mastery

[stiff vector]

finally get an ounce of loot

[frail veldt]

ah yeah I agree with that, I was thinking profile just from the cooldown cadence perspective. But yeah picking between aoe pad and actual ST is a toxic playstyle for sure

they have no transition from ST to mass aoe

its either on or off

[buoyant cosmos]

Hasn't it been like that for a while now?

I remember people saying that back in DF too

[inland acorn]

That's the neat part, they didn't come up with it. It was a bug in previous season

[random stirrup]

playing fatebound but having to press an aoe spell to do aoe

negative prio

[vague cape]

yep, while it's not as bad as it once was it's still not ideal, stuff like hammer of light aoe dmg being split into 4 targets can also be cringe if the secondary hits dont hit higher hp mobs, regardless the fact the spec has a very bad damage profile is easy to overlook due to how frictionless the spec is, it's been made intentionally easy and attracts a lot of players

[frail veldt]

I mean theres not many specs like this

personally I think you should incentivize the player to do max damage

hoping the player picks doing "ethical" damage is just never the play

[vague cape]

the damage is done imo

ever since dflight

they created a world where your spec NEEDS to do everything in 1 build

and if not your spec better only be weak at one thing and there should be some way to cover the weakness

and even then specs like that don't neccesarily see the most play

[frail veldt]

well thats a problem

but even beyond that

your aoe rotation shouldnt so dramatically sacrifice ST

[vague cape]

like consider how grossly overtuned assassination's aoe can be

funnel? yes, prio dam? yes, aoe? yes, cd reliant? not really

and its single weakness being fixed by pulling mobs into a boss

still saw less play at the bleeding edge than outlaw last season

well, idk about less play but its top keys are lower than zac on OL

[frail veldt]

umm

yeah thats def not true

assa was like 10 fold more popular

than otulaw

[vague cape]

regardless

zac did higher keys than any sin did

[frail veldt]

that has nothing to do with assas shortcomings

[frail veldt]

also zeross was just as high

[buoyant cosmos]

people getting title last season

[frail veldt]

oh it was that even

I thought it was way worse

[buoyant cosmos]

3 sub rogues

[frail veldt]

oh I just checked over 3800 thats why

[buoyant cosmos]

this is EU and US combined

lol

[fathom bramble]

interesting that is so much closer than the overall playrates

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOL

[fathom bramble]

that could be used to suggest that outlaw players are more skilled 🤔

[vague cape]

i dont think ross did 22s

[fathom bramble]

a higher % of all outlaws got title

[frail veldt]

what site is this from?

those percentages seem to not be adding to 100%

im confused

[vague cape]

anyhow outlaw has always fulfilled this modern meta of doing aoe and st at the same time

same as fire

[buoyant cosmos]

mythicstats.com

[vague cape]

shame they capped it to kneecap the spec

[random stirrup]

mythicstats, the % are split for ranged and melee

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm just clipping the smaller picture

[vague cape]

and prevent bfa repeating

[frail veldt]

I think assa has a much much better designed damage profile than outlaw

for high content

[vague cape]

agreed

[random stirrup]

so boomie is 48% of ranged

[vague cape]

but

[cinder relic]

Stats seem to say otherwise

[vague cape]

the st weakness is an issue

[cinder relic]

Seems like the profile seems similar overall

[vague cape]

cleave build sacrifices some of sin's strength too

[frail veldt]

what part of the site has title spec distribution?

[cinder relic]

Sin can't get everything for free

The ST being 0 is a downside of the aoe builds

[buoyant cosmos]

Im trying to find it

here's the whole picture

[frail veldt]

just send me this link

bro

[buoyant cosmos]

but I can't find it on the website

[frail veldt]

lol

then howd you take the picture

im so confused

[buoyant cosmos]

it's from competitivewow

[frail veldt]

whats that

[buoyant cosmos]

subreddit

[frail veldt]

jfc

[red zinc]

Has anyone logged onto remix ptr and looked at outlaw weapon tree yet

Kinda curious

what they cooked up

[vague cape]

its scary to think how few OL runs there have been

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=all:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=2:maxMythicLevel=99:chartMode=by-spec

I wonder what % of the total people who regularly talk here have contributed

you know it's fucked when you're same play rate as hands warrior

[frail veldt]

https://mythicstats.com/meta/season

found it I think

ah wait thats not title only

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah I was looking for the title only one

[frail veldt]

no idea how they got that haha

[red zinc]

Its crazy wowhead hasnt posted the weapon datamines yet im genuinely curious

[vivid vessel]

Why outlaw's damage profile sucks absolute dick @frail veldt

1. You have fuck all prio damage, litterally adding targets fucks ur prio dmg even if you play for it, your killing spree start hitting random rat crawler with 12m hp instead of the caster about to one shot your priest. killing spree is an elite pad spell but for meaningful damage it ain't it. (i wont even venture into fatebound)

2. while having no cds is nice their damage is actually quite flat, Im sure you're familiar with the issues associated with desiring uptime to do competitive damage, admittedly outlaw is probably the second best melee at keeping uptime due to high mobility and pistol shot + bte (sv and ret are better at this)

3. Outlaw high aoe is trash (we are capped), this spec is not good on 8+ mobs.

hopefully that answers it.

[buoyant cosmos]

might have been just something they ran to share in a picture

[red zinc]

Everyone playin the new season the info is nowhere

[glass mortar]

Can be countered by dragging stuff onto bosses for funnel

Law cant do that

[cinder relic]

Nobody does this in pug keys

Your ST is just bad

[glass mortar]

R we talking about pug keys

[cinder relic]

Pug keys are 99% of the playerbase

[glass mortar]

They are comparing titles lol

[buoyant cosmos]

this was a tangent

[cinder relic]

Some dungeons U cant drag shit into the boss

[frail veldt]

lololol

[glass mortar]

Ah ok

[frail veldt]

pretty great

good content

[vivid vessel]

oh shit

sin just got nerfed

[vague cape]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kewkwait-issou-gif-21148982

[vivid vessel]

spatter no longer double dip with aura buffs

!!

we are so back

fuck assa

[frail veldt]

LOOOL

no way

@proven ocean

[fathom bramble]

looks like every weapon might have the same tree if I'm understanding this correctly. the 2 trees they teased also feature all of the same icons so I assume they are almost identical

[frail veldt]

@proven ocean

@proven ocean

[quaint wharf]

real?

[fathom bramble]

ptr doesn't seem to actually be up either so no way to really check

[vivid vessel]

ye

[hasty warren]

where u see this ?

[vivid vessel]

thats real

[untold yarrow]

ngl bleed build is kinda fun

[vivid vessel]

i see it

i have infintie demon eyes

[edgy phoenix]

lmao

[hasty warren]

and why ure not sleeping

[buoyant cosmos]

he was cc'd on realz email chain

trust

[vivid vessel]

btw guys

blizzard increased street timer

without telling anyone

[red zinc]

What

[edgy phoenix]

is it 50 mins

[hasty warren]

pog

[vague cape]

bro's been snorting the baguette crumbs again

[edgy phoenix]

if not stills ucks

[buoyant cosmos]

is it back up to 39?

[vivid vessel]

its suposidely 32 min

but we timed it with 32min31 on timer

[red zinc]

Saw a singular clip of someone playing it

[hasty warren]

it was 30min ?

[red zinc]

on youtube

Strange

[buoyant cosmos]

32

[vivid vessel]

like this is timed

[hasty warren]

humm

[frail veldt]

:wq

[vivid vessel]

idk what the timer is tho

[mighty pivot]

MDT shows it as 34

[red zinc]

34 min i guess

[vivid vessel]

oh well

ye

[red zinc]

but zac

The assa thing

[vivid vessel]

hm

ye

[light kernel]

zac u still rocking old 4p?

[vivid vessel]

yte

[red zinc]

How do you know

[vivid vessel]

i know

[red zinc]

when would it have changed even

[mighty pivot]

zac implemented the nerf

[vivid vessel]

(its in spell data)

so ye

they removed spatter from all the aura buffs things

[red zinc]

When

i cant read

[vivid vessel]

30 min ago

[red zinc]

zamn

[mighty pivot]

why was spatter there anyway if it's supposed to be BF-esque

[red zinc]

Why do you know this before the assa channel they gotta wakey wakey