outlaw

[torpid fiber]

Does atrophic work on the fight it's important to know how much blizzard hates rogue

[proven ocean]

Only with 4 set

Without it was like 3% only

[vivid vessel]

ok well

everyone will have 4set week 1

[proven ocean]

But ye now only fatebound

[vivid vessel]

is that even in the discussion

[proven ocean]

No no

Ye true

[random stirrup]

is 15% ahead with 4p

kinda troll to play ds unless its omega op

[gaunt phoenix]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[frail veldt]

Whats the new stealth pot called again?

[sudden fulcrum]

silent footfalls if you mean invisibility

[vivid vessel]

guys

wtf do i do

[sudden fulcrum]

but maybe you mean the shadowmeld one

[gaunt phoenix]

umbral essentia

umbra essential

[buoyant cosmos]

find the new hive location

[vivid vessel]

ye brio

where tf is it

[buoyant cosmos]

not a clue

[vivid vessel]

oh nvm

the quest was just bugged

i just needed to die

[proven ocean]

Zacwhen do we wleep

Sleep

[buoyant cosmos]

That could solve a lot of problems for people

[teal garnet]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[buoyant cosmos]

The new character screen is broken too

so don't try it

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[buoyant cosmos]

no thoughts behind those eyes

[copper radish]

is therre any1 to get brann not to attack randomly from stealth lol

[keen belfry]

Lmao

[glass mortar]

my beloved

if only there was a way to get u on hero track

🥹

[proven ocean]

Weran!

[glass mortar]

who

what the fuck is that ross

[proven ocean]

What

Its a rouse

Mouse

Or is it a rat

Idk

[glass mortar]

didnt look like a mouse at first glance

plus new name

and name color

good thing u still had the osrs tag

[proven ocean]

Back on wow full time cuh

Assa op!

[red zinc]

Ok 😃 👍

[glass mortar]

almost done with my vault for the week cuh

hows it look

im one 11 short

[glass mortar]

👍

[quaint mauve]

found u

[red zinc]

[teal garnet]

Wasnt there a niche about 1pt fth? I remember there being a reason why mostly only zac played it last season

[elder phoenix]

Does it matter what weapon you craft

like is there a difference between axe sword mace besides transmog

?

[proven ocean]

Precise cuts being really good

[red zinc]

No

[proven ocean]

In m+

big aoe

Smg

Dmg

[teal garnet]

wasnt it like harder to maintain and an extra rule or something?

[glass mortar]

its not a niche its the recommended build for kir aoe

PC is very strong

but yes

u give up 1 fth for PC

and it is harder to play

[torpid fiber]

pooling energy between each sentence

[teal garnet]

Whats the extra rule?

[elder phoenix]

is this an answer to me

[red zinc]

Yes

[covert kestrel]

No

[glass mortar]

i dont know if theres an extra rule but the builder rules u use change abit since PS gives 1 less CP

the FaQ should have all this stuff

[surreal coral]

!outlaw

[red zinc]

!outlaw

[proven ocean]

No clue

I didnt watch it

[surreal coral]

2x lense best for ST and M+?

[quaint mauve]

im kinda confused abt holding vanish for rp as fb

like

[torpid fiber]

The idea is that bc we have 2 charges, you have flexibility in when you use vanish without losing any cd on it

RP windows are more dps, so you hold it for them

[quaint mauve]

i understand this but with no superchargers or rp do i just not send vanish

until i can rtb again?

[torpid fiber]

Unless it'd overcap or adr would run out, iirc

[quaint mauve]

kk

[keen belfry]

im afk in dorno too much

[charred carbon]

weird im simming lower with 2 +2 P then old 4 p

[covert kestrel]

i have a macro that looks for you

[charred carbon]

is this normal

[covert kestrel]

no

yes

sorry i didnt see what you asked

[charred carbon]

haha

[gaunt phoenix]

do u change talents

[charred carbon]

for M+?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya new tier uses loaded dice

[charred carbon]

oww can you send the talent build

[gaunt phoenix]

but for trickster, 2/2 is meh anyway

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq

[stiff vector]

I actually cant loot a single good item to save my life

my gear is giga cooked

[strong halo]

is cudgel still our best weapon for m+?

[gilded sinew]

just got accepted in a flood 10. They were like "oh mb, we thought you were playing assa" 😏

[gaunt phoenix]

sort of, i pinned a thing on it

[keen belfry]

do u find me

[charred carbon]

lemme try

[elder phoenix]

same

been farming

[gilded sinew]

challenged them, finished first at damge metter 🙂

[compact narwhal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[elder phoenix]

7+ for like 3 days now

and alll i get are wrists belts

shoulders

Lol

[frail veldt]

anyone know whats going on here? I sometimes cant pickup the barrels on this fight?

[stiff vector]

my gear is like...extra poverty. Still wearing 2pc old tier @ 658, 678 bracers, and some kinda of dogshit low ilvl delve trinkets+675 crafted jewelery

[elder phoenix]

ITS A GLITCH

bug

sometimes

[strong halo]

Its a skill issue

[random stirrup]

db is omega bugged rn

[elder phoenix]

the extra button stays up too

[frail veldt]

I didnt even get the button

[elder phoenix]

its horrible

[frail veldt]

thats the problem

[glass mortar]

ur race is too weak to carry them

[frail veldt]

I cant pick it up

[glass mortar]

look at those skimpy little arms

[random stirrup]

our key got hard locked out on the first ship

[glass mortar]

what dod u expect

[random stirrup]

mob despawned and we just never could mount

[elder phoenix]

Sometimes you can pick them up but the Action button stays up even tghough youve used it

OR you cant throw it

like what

[strong halo]

is this for new 4 piece?

[gaunt phoenix]

any new tier

[glass mortar]

as soon as u break old 4set

[midnight zinc]

hello, so is the move currently playing trickser til you have new 2 or 4 piece then swap to FB?

[craggy barn]

hmmmmmmm

is this a pvp angle for gear

[glass mortar]

pvp gear is usually good early season

especially jewlery

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/irBcoIA.jpeg

i still have charge bolt?

i dont get this

[glass mortar]

charged bolts got so nerfed we dont consider it generally

thats what removed means i believe

[exotic agate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strong halo]

so is the goal to double send the CDG?

with new tier?

[glass mortar]

send build send i believe

u have 5 seconds to use the second one

[strong halo]

seems like this creates more situtations for CDG sitting in subterfuge no?

[glass mortar]

howso

[strong halo]

you spend more time sending

CDG

and if ur against the AR clock

[glass mortar]

if the 1.6s or so it takes u to likely build back up would cause adr to drop u can probably just send it but these rules should be in the faq?

[torpid fiber]

worst case you can always try to read the apl

[charred carbon]

so weird on dungeon slice i do 6.2M on 4p and with 2p+2p i do 6.1M

[bright crane]

think imma say fuck it and craft 1h

[grizzled heron]

do we switch to the aoe talents in the FAQ with 2p or 4p?

[glass mortar]

whats weird

trickster usually doesnt change until full 4set

2/2 is bad

[charred carbon]

so for M+ just wait then for 4p

[glass mortar]

or play fatebound

[charred carbon]

hmm but does it not do less overall

it better ST right

[glass mortar]

probably

sim it on dslice

itll do less aoe regardless

but way more st

[charred carbon]

and you lose the tricks

[glass mortar]

yes

[charred carbon]

one of the best things

[glass mortar]

....

why is dimis hitbox not the whole platform

u tellin me if i wanna hit the second add i need to just leave the boss and not hit it at all everytime

😠

[charred carbon]

yea i also saw that for such a big ass he has a small hitbox

[quaint mauve]

my guild is gonna kill nexus king on the one pull i died

i’m gonna cry

ma parse

😕

[glass mortar]

bro

this is the worst endboss theyve ever made

i cant even open in stealth"?

this is so cursed for fatebound

entering the boss arena breaking stealth is wild

[cinder relic]

This is like the coolest last boss of all time tf

[glass mortar]

yea its cool, shame it shits on the spec i love entirely i guess

why the hell would they make a boss u cant enter the arena in stealth on

[torpid fiber]

no rogue testers probably

[glass mortar]

multiple flight intermissions u need to try to time adr for to not to piss damage, all the cleave on the fight is like 2-3 target so u either go PC for giga cleave on the 2t parts or ST because most ofthe fight is st, and u dont even get to start the fight off with a crackshot unless u land and vanish

very very anti fun

[vivid vessel]

Hm

You really like it ?

[glass mortar]

seems cool for cd andies

[vivid vessel]

So confusing to me

[glass mortar]

and non rogues

[vivid vessel]

It's like

[glass mortar]

yea this is piss

i mean its visually cool

[vivid vessel]

Lore wise it's cool

[glass mortar]

previous boss was more fun tho

and less piss

[vivid vessel]

Like visual and stuffs

[glass mortar]

cant imagine how toxic this is gunna be to try to play outlaw on on mythic

can only imagine whatever mechanics get added will fuck us harder

[vivid vessel]

But idk it's just a quite boring st boss into sylvanas intermission mixed with tindral

It's a mix of the 2 worse intermissions in the game

[glass mortar]

intermission is turbooooooooooo lagged for us too idk why

[vivid vessel]

Kinda nice

[glass mortar]

like everyone in our guild

zac i just had a pull where i didnt kir one time entire first phase of the fight

never had more then 3 buffs

[dense ruin]

is our opener using AR targeting the boss or not

[glass mortar]

the sunk cost is real

[cinder relic]

Genuinely might be my favourite fight of all time

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[glass mortar]

yea thats crazy to me but to each their own

[vivid vessel]

Did you do it in hc guy

I only did NM for now

[cinder relic]

Doing it rn

[vivid vessel]

We do hc tomorrow

I see

Maybe I change with hc

[cinder relic]

if u dont like it normal u wont like it on HC

[glass mortar]

zac what was ur opener

[cinder relic]

but I love it on normal

[restive turtle]

I'm 99% sure this boss is why they reworked Killing Spree

[glass mortar]

land > vanish > macro?

[vivid vessel]

I dislike these type of intermission bosses tho so idk I doubt it changes

[glass mortar]

or did u not even play outlaw

[vivid vessel]

I didn't do it on outlaw yet

[glass mortar]

does sub care if u open in stealth

[dense ruin]

macro??????

[vivid vessel]

I was on alt for now

[glass mortar]

ah i c

[vivid vessel]

So sub

[haughty wigeon]

Dude yall talking about dimensius?

[vivid vessel]

And sub stealth doesn't break

[haughty wigeon]

That boss slaps

[glass mortar]

yea losing ur opener stealth as kir which is all about momentum feels so ass

[vivid vessel]

Cause you don't play subterfuge

[haughty wigeon]

Ongod

[vivid vessel]

Kekkw

[haughty wigeon]

The best last boss in awhile

[quaint wharf]

it feels so bad

[torpid fiber]

wtf are the devs doing

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

id rather fight queen 1000X then do this fight as outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

I can’t wait to play heroic version

[glass mortar]

absolute garbage

[vivid vessel]

Yee

[granite merlin]

How do I learn how to play outlaw without any rotation helpers

It seems so intense

With all the dice stuff

[restive turtle]

Just AR > KS > Vanish and do your shit

[vivid vessel]

All these intermissions shit should stop CDs and buffs like on jailer

[glass mortar]

if u cast AR outside stealth u dont get a double coin flip

[vivid vessel]

Thoughts?

[glass mortar]

i feel like thats definitly not the optimal opener

[vivid vessel]

Idk If you guys remember

On jailor when we had the intermit

Everything stopped

CDs and buffs

[haughty wigeon]

You feel the adhd go through your veins

[torpid fiber]

The secret trick is that we all have partial rotation helpers in our UI it's just about to what extent we have our weakauras set up for that imo

[quaint wharf]

i was doing ar and bf pre pull then land ks -> vanish

[vivid vessel]

They should legit do that all the time on these type of intermission I feel like

[granite merlin]

I have horrible adhd lol

[haughty wigeon]

Maybe

But like

[torpid fiber]

Tbh the buffs aren't really that hard after a bit

[haughty wigeon]

It’s so cool

Dragon riding to each platform

[vivid vessel]

Cause it fucks over all the non cd specs so much everytime

Idk

[vivid vessel]

I mean it's cool once or twice

[haughty wigeon]

And dimensisus in the background

[vivid vessel]

But it's not particularly engaging gameplay idk

You ain't pressing buttons

[glass mortar]

maybe stuff happens on herioc

[haughty wigeon]

I race my team

[vivid vessel]

You are just watching pretty visuals

[glass mortar]

one flight seemed like enough on normal

[vivid vessel]

Nothing happens

[glass mortar]

the second one was just like

[haughty wigeon]

To see who can go faster

:)

[glass mortar]

why are we still doing this

theres barely anything to dodge

u just spam 1 thru the portals in a straight line

idk

i hate this engagement with skyriding

tindral felt more dodgy then this

[haughty wigeon]

I agree

It could use more rocks

[glass mortar]

or lasers

u know that world quest where u battle on a skyriding mount

[haughty wigeon]

The whole fight is cool

[glass mortar]

and u learned how to shield lock on lasers and such

[haughty wigeon]

Phase 3

Being a damage check

Is super cool

[glass mortar]

i liked p3

intermission was very boring

p1 was a sin

actually insulting as a rogue

[haughty wigeon]

Stand in planets

Or die

Peak

[glass mortar]

this boss is the size of a city

ur telling me i cant go hit the second add

and cleave boss

k

[haughty wigeon]

I think that’s on purpose

So people don’t cleave add and boss at same time

[glass mortar]

just dotters sure 🙂

[elder phoenix]

its weird that the OH trickster build is doing more damage in m+ for me

than the KIR build

[cinder relic]

Part of a good encounter is the spectacle

[pure jetty]

is cheat death really the tech versus ellusiveness?

[cinder relic]

Denathrius was a fairly simple fight all things considered, butt he spectacle is what makes it so good

[cinder relic]

Other than extremely high keys, yes

Don't ego the ability to "fuck up and try again"

[vivid vessel]

Idk it was spectacle you were playing in tho

Like other than the moment he break the ground

The whole P2 is very engaging and it's spectacular

You play with the mirrors and shit

The adds on platforms

Idk it's

Oh well

I guess dementius is just one of these end boss

Not particularly engaging to play but looks good on screen

I also particularly hate these type of add phase with lot of downtime

Like you were in a m+ but boring

[marble meteor]

icy-veins and mmochampion have differing guides when it comes to the rotation, which is the source of truth?

[elder phoenix]

idk man looks like another elden ring-esque boss fight

[craggy barn]

whats our best pvp items to snag

rings?

we have a neck from keys right

[torpid fiber]

wowhead and #outlaw-faq

[stiff vector]

what do I have to do to get loot in this game for fucks sake man

[quaint sable]

Is there a cmd for the meld macro

[craggy barn]

!meld

[ornate heath]

Night Elf does sim as the best race for m+, however there is a few quirks you need to be aware of:

• you need to restealth after pressing meld to trigger subterfuge (there is a slight delay)
• you cannot restealth against any boss (raid or m+) and some special global combat mobs
• meld can break quite easily if you move or take damage
• it seems that you need to break your stealth with something else than BtE to benefit from crackshot

[quaint sable]

Ye but that doesnt list the macro

[marble meteor]

does the meld pot compete against other pots?

[frail veldt]

whats up with dimensius?

[craggy barn]

lag

[frail veldt]

did the designer like explicitly hate outlaw or

[craggy barn]

new mechanic

[frail veldt]

why is his hit box so tiny too lol

[craggy barn]

bc they hate melee

at least we dont teleport around and insta die

[frail veldt]

like fr though

[random stirrup]

he also parries 🙂

[frail veldt]

LOOL HE PARRIES

that is comical

[craggy barn]

need someone to play trickster

[random stirrup]

they fixed the raid wide bug

no parry

[craggy barn]

damnit

they should add that back in 😠

new raid buff

[random stirrup]

they fixed the raid wide parry buff just to make a last boss you literally cannot get behind that parries

interesting stuff for sure

[torpid fiber]

I think blizzard forgets that parry is a thing

[stiff vector]

lol heroic boe ring going for 4m, mfers are cooked

[glass mortar]

RIGHT

because every fight designer knows

melee love when the boss the size of a city forces u to afk and not hit him for like half of his mechanics depending on the phase

[granite merlin]

For this season new to season what yall recommend for most fun overall learn outlaw or play sin. Don’t care about dps just trying to fun vibes

[glass mortar]

ur not gunna get unbiased answers in here lol

outlaw and sin might be two of the most opoosite specs in the game

[strong halo]

Does 4 piece change anything in fatebound rotation?

[dense ruin]

what should our spell que window be?

[glass mortar]

people who main outlaw are never going to tell you sin is fun

[granite merlin]

lol sub forum actively tries to get people not to play sub hahahaa

[pastel shore]

we we RTB in stealth?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[glass mortar]

if u hit the conditions to ya

altho

if ur playing HO no supercharger u probably dont wanna i imagine?

but thats gunna be pretty niche the further the season goes on

[pastel shore]

so with KiR with new set we want to?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[pastel shore]

thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

gaining supercharger in stealth is good

[glass mortar]

wow sin is doing basically as good as law on soul hunters

whats outlaws niche again

sometimes i forgor

any caustic enjoyers @vivid vessel

[strong halo]

Honestly I don’t like the double coup

Feels like poop

Any rotation changes in fatebound?

With 4 piece?

[glass mortar]

no

[bright crane]

bro holy shit

EVERY item. crit master

haste mastery

wtf

[glass mortar]

its ok

the only s3 item i have equiped rn is the cloak so

loot is unnecessary

[bright crane]

havent gotten a single usable item so far

[glass mortar]

i have like 4 pieces i might be able to one day equip depending on what other slots i get

just holding onto eachh aste versa piece i cant use rn

cause it puts me in no mans land for haste

[bright crane]

im probs just gonna say fuck it and craft 1h

[strong halo]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

Am I lucky or unlucky

2 hero pieces with crit mastery

[bright crane]

tf u already have 4p

and sigil

[strong halo]

And rare boots

[bright crane]

tf

did u use cata?

[strong halo]

Yeah x2 on hero pieces

1 curio

And 1 drop

[stiff vector]

bruh the fucking debuff from menagerie boss in streets is still so fucking bugged man

[strong halo]

Wait til you fall through the ships on dawn breaker

[mild vigil]

do we have any outlaw tech for heroic dimensius?

[austere mantle]

so this might be copium but i did not realize how hard outlaw fucks in keys

at least in low keys

[strong flume]

instant damage op

[glass mortar]

when ur in low keys its pretty good yea

[cedar kernel]

first 10

i can rest

[elder phoenix]

whats your gear

[cinder relic]

@vivid vessel bro p3 is so good

On heroic

Where its like actually tight

Literal chills

[random stirrup]

I like p3 the hitbox thing just needs fixing

[elder phoenix]

im at 675 out law with last season 4set

[random stirrup]

especially with step going over the rings

[austere mantle]

720 weapon

[random stirrup]

p3 is cool

[elder phoenix]

and for some reason OH trickster does more damage but to other people

KIr does more

[austere mantle]

embelishment question

do we have any sort of verdict on 2x focussing lens vs 2x duskthread?

haven't simmed it, just wondering as i try to plan ahead on my crafts n shit

[glass mortar]

doesnt rlly matter

they sim nearly identical

[tender wedge]

No embellishments at all probably sim pretty close too to be fair

[glass mortar]

ye

[stiff vector]

streets is such a cancer key

[grim spear]

what weapon embellishment do we use?

[glass mortar]

gem proc

[quaint mauve]

no u can’t

u need 7 more

[cedar kernel]

i cant

bc i am noob brother

just like

uh

[quaint mauve]

weak

[cedar kernel]

yea i accept this

[strong halo]

do u get 691 cudgel from the weekly quest or the completion reward

[gaunt phoenix]

week

[strong halo]

fak so once a week u have a chance at 691 cudgel? seems super unlikely

[granite merlin]

Wait is outlaw worse in higher keys then?

[marble meteor]

whats the maximum stacks for opportunity

[frail veldt]

6

[frail veldt]

yes

[glass mortar]

worse is a strong word

morso u dont scale as much as cd specs

since pull sizes tend to move up, and big pulls tend to happen with the cadence of major cds

[craggy barn]

hmm

[glass mortar]

u wont do less dps u just wont gain as much as the big cd specs do

[craggy barn]

do i send a mh craft knowing i soak every single dagger in raid

or do i be a good boy and send a dag

🤔

[glass mortar]

@frail veldt its a fucking travesty fatebound is basically mandatory on st fights this season

and dimmy and fractilus can parry

???????????

tell me how im supposed to get behind this mf

blizzard?

[frail veldt]

I cant wait for 4pc fatebound

it seems decent at least

[dreamy holly]

do i want 20% haste AND haste flask or to hit 20% haste WITH haste flask?

[gaunt phoenix]

with

and its really 19%

[dreamy holly]

ok so 19% ahste without is fine?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[dreamy holly]

i use vers flask then

ty

[gaunt tulip]

whats the chat bubble thing zac has

is it an elv ui thing

[cedar kernel]

which one?

like the original chat bubble is something exist ingame iirc

[gaunt tulip]

yeah just his is very visible

compared to in game standard

[cedar kernel]

hmm

[real yew]

Guys if SIM is telling me to use Perfidious Projector, should I use it?

Or is bait?

[gaunt phoenix]

it sims correctly

[real yew]

ty solo

[tight kernel]

People taking PC on FB for Dimensius?

[real yew]

Also, should I delay it for about 30 seconds to cast when I know more adds are coming

[river maple]

anyone else not gainig rep from raid?

[tight kernel]

@gaunt phoenix is this troll

for FB

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean im not sure how must pc is padding really

much

[glass mortar]

i meant cause trickster removes parry

[covert heart]

got my 691 crudgel lets gooo

[tight kernel]

going to try this on dimensius

with fb

[glass mortar]

whats the aoe for

[sullen wyvern]

platform ads

[glass mortar]

r there more adds then the 2 u kill each platform on dimi herioc or

[sullen wyvern]

idk I just killed him on normal

[glass mortar]

that seems like a wild amount of st to give up to do cleave on 2 targets for like 5% of the fight

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah no

i wouldnt pc on dimmy

ur gonna hit that damage amp and do nothing

[sullen wyvern]

I still dont have 4pc

and I dont wanna swap

I want my 5 buffs

[tight kernel]

I feel like that build

is just pure padding for platform

[glossy pewter]

what are people doin on Nexus king? the platforms make me mad if im fatebound

[tight kernel]

and no dmg for actual phases

I'll be the ethical outlaw

and go pure st

zac would be proud

[glass mortar]

is it even padding

i bet any adds u dont kill on those platforms r removed from logs

and id be surprised if ur killing more then 2 adds per platform

so it wont even pad ur logs its just nothing

[tight kernel]

i'll check in after it dies

[strong halo]

So we have 1 chance per week at 691 cudgel? That might take a while to get no?

[glass mortar]

u might not get it the whole season

gl

[strong halo]

Fak. Well bright side is I can stop swapping weapons

[glossy pewter]

Is this fake build ? why did this parse well on nexus king?

[gaunt phoenix]

its just aoe build

nexus king has at least some aoe and 2 target

[harsh forge]

main hand unless ur a coward sin picker

[tight kernel]

yeah r1 nexus

is just pad parsing

[gaunt phoenix]

dont use deft tho

[grim spear]

when should we replace our offhand 684 capo?

[tight kernel]

heroic track + sim it

[dreamy holly]

where should the deft point go

[grim spear]

ok

[tight kernel]

heavy hitter

[dreamy holly]

theres nothing connecting to heavy hitter though

[gaunt phoenix]

swift slasgher

[long barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rotund zodiac]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[tight kernel]

yeah cant even hit both adds during p1 in dimensius

no point to take pc

[latent oracle]

Why RTB after KIR?

I dont understand this

The buffs extended by KIR get reduced to 38 seconds when you use RTB?

[pure folio]

Supercharger and to get buffs you don’t have

[torpid fiber]

I also don't understand why we don't wait for 38s like we used to but idk

[stiff vector]

I swear I hate PC and 1fth so much now without old 4pc

[frail veldt]

this is wild me and a buddy were doing double outlaw and somehow he got 25% more cape procs than I did

is the cape proc not normalized

[cedar kernel]

is it something real nice?

[stiff vector]

sometimes I feel like im being trolled with 1fth without old 4pc where I just roll dogshit buffs multiple times in a row and im literally just sitting there SS'ing 8 times in a row and getting energy starved on ST

the lows are so dogshit

[latent oracle]

as you can see i have 6 buffs of 58secs

extended by KIR

when i press RTB, it reduced to 38s

[mild vigil]

can you stealth on the way into dimensius?

at pull I mean

[thin fiber]

both with or w/o boots?

[glass mortar]

ok nexus king is easily my favorite boss

maybe of the expac tbh

close between him and kyveza

that p3 is very fun

[gaunt phoenix]

u have old tier set

with old tier, if you kir a natural 5 buff, you dont roll immediately

cause you can just get a 5 buff again and override it

with new tier, the chances of getting a 5 buff into a 5 buff again is incredibly unlikely

most common, you are using kir at 4 buff

then you roll

you might get a 5th or 6th buff you are missing, or you might get a buff you already have, but either way it is worth for supercharger

[torpid fiber]

hmm

I still don't actually understand why it's better to roll instantly than at 38s on kired buffs

I guess it's about stacking as many as possible rather than overall buff count

[glass mortar]

well its a free reroll

and supercharger is gud

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, but you get one supercharger no matter when in the KIR you do it

You're not gaining supercharger procs by doing it instantly

[glass mortar]

sure ur gaining potential uptime on the buff ur missing tho

[torpid fiber]

yeah it has to be bc of cto buffs

[glass mortar]

outlaws always about doing stuff on cd idk rtb is just one of ur best buttons if it will give u net neutral outcomes and proc supercharger so u always do it asap

[torpid fiber]

better to have 5 buffs for less time than 4 buffs for longer

[glass mortar]

just like in crackshot windows

[latent oracle]

There's higher level rule u know

[torpid fiber]

you don't have 2 buffs in kir windows so it doesn't matter

[latent oracle]

It means I should not reroll after KIR

[torpid fiber]

I'm confused

rules are "if X, Y", and that doesn't mean "if not X, don't Y"

[latent oracle]

Then we have no rule

reroll on CD

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

hwat

[torpid fiber]

you follow the first rule with a true condition.

[next shuttle]

Hi, can we still dodge the Ara'ara last boss suck in with grappling hook?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[next shuttle]

Do we still have the weak aura for that?

[steep gorge]

is there any reason you would still have the last gcd in crackshot window wa with it resetting on stealth?

[glass mortar]

technically theres lots of situations u dont want to cast BtE after a crackshot window

its a low prio finisher for trickster it doesnt really care about it, especially without RP, and fatebound doesnt want to cast it without RP

but its so minor i just got rid of my WA

[harsh forge]

is there a weak aura for unyielding netherprism

[steep gorge]

so in theory, you would want to prio coup or killing spree for trickster with that last finisher that is no longer in the window

[glass mortar]

or dispatch

bte is a very low prio finisher

without RP

basically only wanna cast it if somehow the bte buff is gunna time out

[steep gorge]

i see

[glass mortar]

but again this is a super minor minmax

and its more annoying to try to continue to track last gcd of crackshot for me so i dont bother

i just track my window normally and if i can manage to avoid putting bte on cd 👍

[steep gorge]

i guess im just shocked its a lower prio over dispatch. i havent played outlaw in a few patches so im behind on my reading

[glass mortar]

i feel like its quite often been the case of that tho?

btes whole thing is it does piss damage but 4X damage on crits

[gaunt phoenix]

it's only for fatebound. cause dispatch flips coins better

trickster can send bte it doesnt care

[glass mortar]

in the past especially we had rules to only do it during RP cause of the crit thing

[gaunt phoenix]

only make sure killing spree has priority

[glass mortar]

now a day it matters less yea

(normalize bte btw) 🫡

[steep gorge]

i thought back when crackshot was introduced, if you could fit in a bte when not in crackshot window and the cd would come up before vanish or restealth, you would do it

[cedar kernel]

20 stack time bomb

[peak dock]

2 questions about nightfall cudgel

anyone got it at 691 ilvl ?

[glass mortar]

many people

awful people the lot of them

😠

[peak dock]

are we replacing 678 for heroic daggers? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gm3db8sYmkputbCyQUtUjU

it seems better than daggers for me

[cedar kernel]

weran

how to do hooktail

[proper bear]

What is RP?

[glass mortar]

the crit RtB buff

ruthless precision

[proper bear]

Tyty

[glass mortar]

678 is probably ur dungeon aoe offhand until ur in mythic gear tbh

[strong halo]

I’m gna be honest all things considered I feel like outlaw is in a pretty good state

In m+ and raid

[cedar kernel]

how about this

[frail veldt]

w/o boots

[glass mortar]

brother its week 1

just wait till everyone has gear

[frail veldt]

just you wait lol

[fair charm]

We don’t really scale up like other classes and will get a 3% buff halfway through the season if we lucky.

[chilly atlas]

can i wear 2 and 2?

im too lazy to sim

[glass mortar]

fatebound yes, trickster probably no

[chilly atlas]

but why would i ever play fatebound? 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

For most of the raid

[dense ruin]

why ever paly trisckster

[chilly atlas]

rogue is my alt, i tank in raid

i guess i gotta farm more pieces then

[round garnet]

How is outlaw doing in m+ so far?
Im a ret main but guild needs a Rogue so gonna see if i whould like it. Outlaw seems to be the spec that fits the playstile i like the most atleast

In raid they seem pretty good atleast:)

[keen belfry]

i just did heroic

with 27 people

that shits cooked

[long barn]

Outlaw feels good

M+ and raid

3-5% behind S tier warlocks

Or something

[round garnet]

Cool, ret does not right now thats for sure 🙃

[long barn]

Pretty sure outlaw has the highest DPS mythic plus key on level 14

[chilly atlas]

yea, the ones ive seen have looked prety nice

[long barn]

Warlock are still using the old tier

They will catch a Nerf

[round garnet]

As long as i chould learn the rotation fast enough it should be gucci before next reset then

[long barn]

Yep

[muted chasm]

im new to playing KIR - how soon after I use KIR should I roll again? do i just wait for those buffs to expire or can i roll right after?

[peak dock]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackrock/Mistarogue?season=season-tww-3

I know what envy means now 🙁

[next shuttle]

Immeadiately

[muted chasm]

immediately after I KIR?

[next shuttle]

Yeah

[muted chasm]

does it overwrite anything i have in KIR or will it only potentially roll the buffs i dont have?

[gaunt phoenix]

you might get a buff you already have, or a buff you are missing, but it's worth

[next shuttle]

You might get new buffs with even higher duration plus super charger

[muted chasm]

does it change with 4pc?

[craggy barn]

LFG

[prime hound]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[round garnet]

Anyone knows if hekili performs well for outlaw? As a learning curve the few days to get a sense of the rotation?

[next shuttle]

Also, when I say immeadiately I mean immeadiately when RTB is available again

[strong halo]

What was he fps

[keen belfry]

like 20

and laggy

not really playable

[muted chasm]

makes sense! appreciate the advice

🙏

[round garnet]

Yea also had a laggy hc raid, 8 fps on forgemaster xD

[gritty hamlet]

I just can't decide if it's worth buying a champ footbomb.

surely it'll drop fast haha

[plucky lantern]

Hey fellow outlaws! Is there a general rule on cancelling Killing Spree? Should I ever interrupt the full cast of killing spree to use Coup or some other spender if I hit max CP and Killing Spree isn’t done?

[candid notch]

outlaw with claw worth?

[quaint mauve]

i might be fat and stupid

but

sin lowkey too hard for me

😭

[hollow coyote]

Would yall say outlaw is harder then sub to play?

[stiff vector]

bruh wtf is this bug...I take portal to dimensius platform and literally just stop moving midair and fall to my death

???? how is this bug even a thing

[austere mantle]

uhh....isn't there supposed to be a difference in the 2 ranks of take em by surprise?

[frail veldt]

Why do pug groups never have a monk

[stiff vector]

bro I literally cannot make it to the dimensius platform

so far 2 for 2 just stopping mid air when I take the portal and dead before the fight even starts

[jolly geyser]

thats odd

[stiff vector]

just another rogue bug I guess

[jade crag]

our raid had that on some of the portals in between bosses, you would take it and then it would either kill you or straight up drop you midway

[stiff vector]

didnt happen to me in any of the other portals in the raid and so far 2 for 2 on the dimensius one lmfao...like how does this make it live

[dusty mulch]

What's the current trickster/HO opener with old 4-set and ghostly strike?

[tight kernel]

ye

bro my keys never turn into a streets

ive done halls > ara > floodgate like 10 times

[frail veldt]

yeah ive been having trouble getting streets this week too

for some reason it feels like every week theres like 4 keys that are more popular

and I see them way more often

[weary fog]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[sly light]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sly light]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[elder phoenix]

guys

https://i.imgur.com/R0Tvn9c.jpeg

i think i over cooked with haste

LOL

[sick hull]

can someone please explain why fatebound coin did this?

https://i.imgur.com/K8EnTeo.png

I used ghostly strike, got a double pistol shot off, used KS, and it was hitting for 1.8m each hit

[torpid fiber]

it felt like it

[thin fiber]

how to get it though? continue the hallowfall questline?

[torpid fiber]

you have to get it from the weekly nightfall box

complete rng, one try per week

[thin fiber]

i see.

thanks

[sick hull]

I know you're being cheeky, but was it just luck of the draw for it to be doing that sort of damage?

[frail veldt]

kind of

but yeah coin is rng + it seems like you might have tier

[sick hull]

I've got 2pc from s3 and 2 PC from undermine

[scarlet drum]

Why is footbomb dispenser top in aoe on bloodmallet? lol

[brazen sphinx]

to what button should i macro tempered potions? im trying to macro it to adrenaline rush but for some reason the pot doesnt go off

[unique fulcrum]

dont macro them to anything especially not adr

maybe to on use trinket

[brazen sphinx]

i just ran 5 m+ without using a single pot cuz im a dumb ass

[unique fulcrum]

thjen u need to use a weakaura maybe

but if u macro it to adr, u randomly use them

when u dont even need them

[brazen sphinx]

damn then i truly will have to actually think on when to send them?

[unique fulcrum]

bosses/big pulls

not much thiunking

[brazen sphinx]

zug?

[young elbow]

Any info on how exact this weak aura currently is on the use of Keep it Rollin/roll the bones on kir builds?
https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[light kernel]

what are the best trinkets for m+?

[balmy cradle]

!log

[hasty warren]

I think recommended trinket are good everywhere, either way u can sim it

[jovial sedge]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[hasty warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1mqp88w/this_is_the_ret_official_discord/

idk if u've seen this

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I was saying we should shut the chat down every time outlaw gets a change

[lime lake]

shut down outlaw until killing spree rework part 2

[torpid fiber]

no I don't want changes I just think it'd reduce complaining

[lime lake]

[red zinc]

man

i really thought we were the most cringe spec / playerbase

how are they outperforming

[quaint wharf]

that reddit post is hilarious

[lime lake]

i should read it

i try to avoid wow reddit but this can be an exception

wtf redditer caught

[random stirrup]

this simply HAS to be a guy alt

[quaint mauve]

it’s satire right…

[flint mantle]

hey guys stupid question as i'm pretty new to Outlaw, first season now. With KIR Build, either Trickster whearas Fatebound, during subterfuge, do you use Ambush as a builder or SS? for HO Build it's clear but i cannot find anything in the guides for KIR...

[torpid fiber]

so true

[quaint mauve]

NO NO NO NO

SS only

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[frail adder]

im 694 ILvl and still doing dooooooooooog shit ST dps, any advice

[quaint mauve]

dog shit as in like how dog shit

what’s ur adr uptime

[teal garnet]

Do we not wait for 41s container to reroll? Saw someone say earlier is was immediately after KIR, I know last patch we waited for the container

[haughty wigeon]

no

[frail adder]

2mil

ona 1 min fihgt

[quaint mauve]

oh

[frail adder]

Sims say 4.3mil and AR uptime was 100%

[quaint mauve]

r u dropping adr?

[frail adder]

nah

ill dm u

[random stirrup]

is this in a key, raid boss fight, target dummy?

[quaint mauve]

can u record urself hitting a target dummy

[frail adder]

Practicing on target dummy because i realized my singletarget is poooo

[quaint mauve]

if ur not dropping adr it has to be a rotational issue

[random stirrup]

if you simmed with full raid buffs (4.3 sounds like it is) your damage is going to be a lot lower

could also be hitting a pvp dummy

[quaint mauve]

oh maybe that

^

[random stirrup]

1 minute is also going to have a lot of variance with outlaw especially if you're using the old tier set

you roll a couple 1 buffs over 1min you're going to do no damage

AR uptime being 100% suggests that you are doing your rotation well but also 1min is kinda short especially when you open with 2 vanish charges

[frail adder]

im 2 set new gear, no old set. The target dummy thats alone ontop of the tower isthe one im hitting in dorn

[quaint mauve]

i agree with ryld

one minute does nothing

[frail adder]

mmm i see ill try for longer and ill send that vid through to u hml

ty guys!

[quaint mauve]

just send it in here

i’m not

like a cracked outlaw rogue lol

[frail adder]

I notice the sims dont use ambush once, am i wrong for using ambush

[quaint wharf]

u dont use it if youre kir

[quaint mauve]

😭😭😭😭

[frail adder]

0__________0

[hasty warren]

well ...

[vivid vessel]

DPS check you mean? Good good, assa tier !

Wait does the boss phase with hp

Ye it does

Wait is it full hp last phase again

I don't remember

[lime lake]

yes

[vivid vessel]

No exec

[lime lake]

sub tier

[cinder relic]

W Glaze

[proven ocean]

Sleep!! We play in 2 hrs!!

[cinder relic]

I think sub has sleeper value on that fightg

all the downtime is legit a hueg boon for sub

[proven ocean]

Brb nap

[lime lake]

i think this might be amirdrassil again

assa dropkicked after rwf into sub tier

[stiff vector]

dimensius definitely gives me tindral vibes in terms of how outlaw feels on it

[lime lake]

so dimi sub fight confirmed

[cinder relic]

Yeah its a very bad outlaw fight

[stiff vector]

guy so lucky

gratz

[surreal flower]

we killed the 2nd platform fast so i didn't have flag back for the damage amp

[proven ocean]

Whats this

Hc mount or

[surreal flower]

ya

[proven ocean]

Demondaddy boss or

[surreal flower]

ya

the aotc mount

[proven ocean]

Oo

[surreal flower]

for the expansion

[proven ocean]

Looks shit thats nice

Ppl will giga want the mythic one that way

[cinder relic]

Mythic mount is legit insane

[proven ocean]

Ya

[proven ocean]

Fyrakk one is the best mount of all time since ashes of alar tho

[surreal flower]

mythic carries are gonna go crazy this tier

especially with turbo boost or w/e its called coming in like a month and a half

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

Is it?

Rly

[surreal flower]

ya

they announced it today

[proven ocean]

U sure one month and a half?

[surreal flower]

for the .5 patch

[proven ocean]

Like

[surreal flower]

around that

[proven ocean]

Closer than usual

Or

[surreal flower]

w/ legion remix stgart

prob

[proven ocean]

Cuz i remember it being too long no?

[red zinc]

Its october

[proven ocean]

Lastvseason

[red zinc]

Not month and a half

[proven ocean]

Is it

Ye so its giga long as usual

[cinder relic]

well remember

They said

1. Expansion cycles will be faster
2. No season 4
3. Already talking about .5
4. Midnight trailer is soon
5. Legion remix has a housing goods vendor

Things are moving very fast

[red zinc]

Idrk how the housing goods thing works cause

[proven ocean]

Wait

No season 4?

Actually?

[cinder relic]

Correct

[proven ocean]

Thats crazy work

[red zinc]

Prepatch shouldnt be there even in january

[proven ocean]

Ngl

[red zinc]

Maybe its some early form of acquisition but its odd to me

[proven ocean]

S4 was always overwhelming and boring

[cinder relic]

They already commited to faster expac cycles for this upcoming trillogy, but the fact that ppl were burnt out from the prospects of season 4s they just scrapped it

[red zinc]

guess 5 month season would make prepatch be in january

[proven ocean]

Ye s4 is usually bad

Always*

[cinder relic]

I thought S4 in SL was chill

in DF it got a bit old

[royal crane]

I think the first S4

[cinder relic]

I'm glad they tried it

[royal crane]

was a cool concept

but they never improved it

[cinder relic]

Yeah it was a cool/fun idea

[royal crane]

^ye that guy said it

[red zinc]

The raid affix / m+ affix made it refreshing

instead we just got identical content

[cinder relic]

I mean idk, they tried it, ppl didnt fuck with it on the DF go around, so they scrapped it

[red zinc]

No changes

[cinder relic]

Seems pretty fair

[royal crane]

Yeah honestly

It's just cuz

In SL it felt like "fuck the pandemic fucked us, we are so behind"

"Here is something to keep it fresh"

[proven ocean]

First of all

[cinder relic]

Ya basically

[proven ocean]

DF s4 vendors were in a shitty place

[cinder relic]

Truth nuke

[proven ocean]

I dont think many ppl realize how impactful that is

[royal crane]

in DF it was like "yeah we tanked a lot of shit to make a better/bigger team to get content out faster, but we still get a shit S4 with no changes"

[proven ocean]

2nd of all thers legit nothing interesting to look forward to

[cinder relic]

I mean a lot of wow is pipelined

[proven ocean]

Remix feels like it’ll have something new (tree’s)

[cinder relic]

So like, S4 for DF was probably already "probably happening"

[proven ocean]

It looks kinda cool

[weary fog]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681472161190031/law.webp

[cinder relic]

I'm extremely excited for gamescon

[proven ocean]

I wonder what the talent tree is gonna give us

Ye same they’ll for sure kill it i feel like

[cinder relic]

They still haven't exactly told us what the "systems gimmick" is gonna be next expac

[royal crane]

I still think talent trees need a update

[proven ocean]

Housing looks omega sick ngl

[cinder relic]

We have housing which is absurd

[proven ocean]

It wont be garrison 2.0

[royal crane]

But they are really cooking on the game

[proven ocean]

Im certain

It wont be bad

[cinder relic]

But theres no like, hero taletns, or talent ree overhaul, or artifact weapons or

Like they haven't told us the actual systems yet

[royal crane]

Well they said hero talents is for 3 expansions no?

[cinder relic]

Probs will get an announcement of what that is at gamescon

[royal crane]

They wanted us to keep it up for these 3 and then remove it

or have they changed that

[cinder relic]

Yes but I'm saying "whats midnights gimmick

[proven ocean]

And ngl the alliance garrison was omega nice for me in wod

I liked it

Alot

[cinder relic]

Because TWW was hero talents, DF was new talent trees

They haven't said anything about what midnight is going to be

[royal crane]

I hope it's some updates to gameplay of some classes

[cinder relic]

Well thats a given

[royal crane]

I genuinely cant believe wow is so hard to play

[cinder relic]

Thats not like, a system

[red zinc]

“I hope they do their required jobs”