#outlaw
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# Without TWW2, roll if you will lose 0 buffs, or 1 buff with Loaded Dice active. This includes rolling immediately after KIR.
roll_the_bones,if=!set_bonus.tww2_4pc&rtb_buffs.will_lose<=buff.loaded_dice.up
did they fix the death bug on tazavesh?
in the WA kit whats the point of the ace refund WA?
doesnt the base game make a sound? is it just for changing that sound?
number go up
i think its just a different sound
Oh, thought it was the counter
Ooooh it's only rolling at 0 buffs without LD active?
if you "will lose" 0
Or does will lose mean how many less buffs you'll have
so like when you press kir you will lose 0, cause you just pressed kir
So if you have LD up and you have 3 red buffs you'd roll?
Cuz that's a will lose of 1
in this case that's a will lose of 3
you might roll those same buffs again, but you will lose them first
Any1 having success with fatebound 2+2 in m+? Haven’t bothered to try it yet.
I'm surprised we wouldn't just roll at will lose of 1 without LD for the value of supercharger
you can
Is that really not worth the global?
no it's fine
Ah so it's neutral with this?
Cuz that says to roll only at will lose 0
rtb_buffs.will_lose<=buff.loaded_dice.up
compared to
rtb_buffs.will_lose<=1
is the same result, i went with LD
Aaaah interesting
Fasho, intuitively it always made sense to just roll if you expect to either keep the same number of buffs or go up in buff count on average
So if expected_buffs_received >= expected_buffs_to_be_lost is true then roll
Which sounds like it's still true
That makes it easy
I just count the red buffs and roll if that count won't go down
it just happens that rolling over 1 buff or waiting to turn 1 buff into 2 buffs is the same shit
Makes sense
Daily reminder about conduct in the workplace (LFG tool)
true
@near rock ok maybe if you cleave on the ranged add
Hello completly new to outlow and hust read the wowhead guide i have 2 questions
First one do we never use Slice and Dice at all ? i dont see it anywhere in the rotation
I don't understand this "Roll the Bones if you have 0 buffs. With Loaded Dice active reroll at 2 or less buffs. Cast ONCE immediately after using Keep It Rolling."
Why should we use roll the bones after using keep it rolling will it not refresh my dice and make it only 30 sec ?
on dimensius p1?
Slice and dice is generated from using dispatch
or whatever
-
you dont really use slice and dice, it is automatically casted by dispatch. sometimes you refresh it between pulls or when out of range
-
when you press KIR, your buffs are essentially locked in and cannot be rolled away by the next roll
so you KIR 4 buffs, and then you roll. you might get one of the buffs you are missing, or you might get a buff you already have, but either way it is worth to roll once for supercharger
So you can ignore it
ty man !
Dude every single drop I’ve gotten so far is haste mastery
Is the game is telling me to play sin?
!gear
yoyo guys can someone tell me if he has the same bug as me cause i always get knocked out of stealth on bosspull of demensius but the assa rogue in my guild doesnt have the same problem
Are you FB and pressing AR while targeting boss?
This but for 6 straight months. Every piece of gear is mastery/x.
*im
it's a bug specific to outlaw. we use Subterfuge, which changes how stealth works
apparently they did not account for this
@vivid vessel is this uncapped or
i have 2p2p can i drop the old 2p if the ilvl difference between the items is 50 ilvls?
@vivid vessel @proven ocean cursed stone idol is true uncapped, no split
well its prob capped at 20
Since this stupid stone statue is a channel and breaks stealth where do you use it in the opener
after stealth, before ks
it's fine
no mainstat so it baits you on details a bit
at 5 minutes it seems whatever, though at certain kill timers and perhaps good crit RNG it can be great
or use during amps
and still pray it crits
So i have 4 set ready to convert i just dont know if i full send assas or outlaw with craft
im legit in the middle
outlaw !
rip
We not using bubbling wax anymore for AOE?
I've BEEN using it but just looked up the 'Enchants' and it doesn't mention it so ... wondering if needed.
Or which is better... and if so, by how much. It's prob negligable on which you use honestly idk lol
You guys use double radiant power or 1/1 for weapon enchant?
i just use radiant everywhere
yeah i was using dbl but just crafted weapon so curious as to if ppl 2 or 1/1
meh i pug everything prob wont be pugging myth frac in awhile
can i use duskthread lining for embelishment?
on wow head it says its my bis
to craft weapon with it
but i cant chose this embelishment
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
I doubt it says duskthread on weapon is BiS because you can’t do that
Yeah it says use that as an alternative (not on weapon obviously because you can’t do that)
i m new to wow sorry
what do i go on weapon when i play m+ only
still elemental focusing lens?
idk if uploads are allowed, but I am having giga input lag issues. its hard to explain and show from the video, but you can see when im pressing buttons, the WA doesn't update, there is a delay. This makes the spec unplayable for me atm and i have no clue wtf is causing it. any ideas?
I tried changing the spell queue window but that did not help.
In game ping: 25ms
surely assa will get nerfed, right
is there a way to sim curioo?
first time ?
or do i just add 5 pieces
its so sad fs
!wa
or do i just add 5 pieces on curio ilvl
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
ive heard like 3 top assas rogue streamers say it will prbly get nerfed
Yeah
embellishment damage is minimal. it doesnt matter a whole lot
We recommend lens everywhere but duskthread is technically fine
how should you use the extra charge of coup de grace from our teir set? just send it right away, or build it up as much as you can?
Anyone over there have a WA to track Fractillus trinket stack ? 🙂
You send it early if you would have to build with ss
but you build if you can build with PS/BF/AR/GS
Tell me that's beautiful
not enough !
What
19.05% is the cap
griefing
hi
i feel like i do so much damage
What for outlaw
witrh current tier
vs what i was doing on ptr
with 30 more ilvl
with new 4p
idkkkkkk
current 4p is so easy to just
keep 6buff forever
once you started
brothers i misclicked some link
you got hacked or
im having the same issue since yesterday i though it was my internet
idk
okay solo best I can do rn
at least i got it back
Was it mr beast
before bot disturbing u guys
but a lots of channel got deleted
no clue why bots will do that

what is PS again

how about this
does incorporeal warpclaw need something special to be S tier? it sims lower than my other trinekts with lower ilvl which are c and b tier
can you link what you are seeing?
that delve trinket is pretty solid. it can only be hero track tho
1:30 sim
that doesnt matter
Could on use trinket CD and icd not mess with that?
though it perhaps inflates that burst trinket
you also are really low on haste for this build, so that burst trinket looks way better
because you need the haste on it
so tldr, the delve trinket is pretty good and could be rated higher, and that burst trinket is inflated a bit in this scenario
@near rock @daring oxide @fathom bramble you guys noticed you can bte/ps the other bosses in intermission of dh boss
bro have they fixed the portal shit yet
They are just above no?
olos
ye of course
with a 10min delay
so you cant react to it
but ye
i love pressing bte > kir > cto proc
unholy still sick
1st big pull with lust, probably
What more evidence do you need to know that Rogues dont have a single dev ?
wasnt this talent like 50% before?
🤣
oh right
if u are talking about the dmg pic nah its the first pull after 1st boss

"You're spilling out coins, that's pretty cool"
lmfao thats so funny
i was wondering why i was fine on assa but people were complaining
classic subterfuge bug
Anyone know why i cant moun on my rogue during the dragon riding fase on Dimensius ?
happened 2 times now
12 flood we blasting team
hey guys
is there
a way to alter what tank i use tott
on with the macro / weakaura from this server?
go into custom options and insert name/server
!gear
im pretty sure it also prefers ur selected friendly target if u have one
Ay man the last time we got a hole in the sky (new teaser trailer shows void sky portal) we got the best expansion of all time (shadowlands)

yo rando question since i m not playing anymore
do you lose stealth when u take the portal on dimensius? At the start?
@gaunt phoenix
cant be right, blizzard havent done that to rogue right? 
how ass?
its so sad too cuz the design is so clean
it got not testings right?
every add intermission
like gally?
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [raid, @mouseover, help] Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@Brann Bronzebeard, exists] Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
i mean visually the boss looks hecking great
in raid I use mouseover then let it do its thing in dungeons
ye
ye for sure
yea so like gally
also i cant see shit p1
well
dragonriding in raid looks bad
you cant see shit if someone is behind you in front of your cam
xD
LMFAO
ye
his hitbox is a bit small yeah
his hitbox in p1 is p shit
hitbox is that shit
should definitely be way bigger
u need to stand on the egde of the soak to be able to hit him and soak
you have that settings enable right?
well zac
i feel like
as said
no i dont see my guy
i like the boss
p2 is almost syvl intermission again just a tad shorter and dragon riding 😄
yes if you play outlaw censi

cause subt
p2 is like
????????????
bro
its like
they took all the worse intermissions we ever had
and merged them together

yea and u cant even snd bug unlike in sylv p2

sylv p2 was actually good
no cap
Ye add fight with dragon riding and aids thing to dodge where u need to violently spin ur camaera
oultaw is gonna be so goddam shit on this boss
i think in this raid from what i ve seen so far
outlaw will be very bad
lot of amp damage
i found a trinket but it is unlisted on the tier list, is it that bad
And a lot of downtime
is sigil
where u cant hit shit
giga bis
it is the mind fracturing odium
its pretty good on the first 6 bosses or so
this trinket isn't simming at all -
https://www.wowhead.com/item=237495/baleful-excerpt?bonus=12282:6652:12220:10255:12289:1553&hero=51&ilvl=691&spec=260
though it seems like it should be average at worst
This epic trinket of item level 610 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted and sold by NPCs. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: The War Within.
precise cuts is kind of strong
eh
its fake imo
at least in hc
playing pc on the "pc bosses"
outside of dh boss
is just pad ?
i dont see the point
maybe in mythic you need add damage
bahahah
im thinking in mythic you will need add damage ya
hope for an outlaw rework
maybe not with ilvl and tier set gains upcoming
Bro
This dude a genius
maybe on soulbinder
but never on forgweaver
ye haha
we might need to perform some kind of ritualistic sacrifice to appease the gods for surely if they saw the state of outlaw rogue they would not be pleased
issue with outlaw is that it s not bad at all
Do i need combo points before using the 4p second coup de grace?
right
it s actually not bad at all
just doesnt work in modern raiding where they put random burn phase on every boss and make the game more CD focused overall
it does decent numbers but just feels kinda like dump to play
But classes with CDs beat us in DPS when they pop their cds
I’ve been deciding should I full send outlaw with a crafted wep or hold off to see how comp it will be
well
this is outlaw discord
if you wanna play outlaw you do outlaw stuff
anyone who says anything but "go outlaw" is an outsider
if you wanna be meta you craft a dagger like the 3492 last seasons

and you ll play outlaw in reclears later
I made my 720 wep yesterday
if you want to play the meta spec I would suggest not playing outlaw lol
just in general
its almost never meta for raid and its rarely meta for keys outside of niche comps
but outlaw is fun af
so who cares
cuz it was bad
well SL outlaw had good things
bfa outlaw was strong not well designed
imo*
it has its fun but nothing near to current outlaw
like i said
outlaw is great right now i think, no cap
yeah
just doesnt fit well in modern game design
outlaw plays amazingly right now
RTB costing CPs was so awful
it honestly feels amazing
KS still has its issues
and we still have downtime issues
all id want right now is shadow dance
but its better than its ever been imo
but why
comfy
2 charge vanish is objectively better for gameplay
specially since now crackshot exists
shadow dance didnt interact with cdr and it didnt allow for being able to delay vanishes/dances for other things
2 charge vanish has added amazing flexibility to our rotation
i dont hate on crakshot at all but holy i liked SL outlaw
that was previously super heavily punished for any delay
er / dust 
I mean you got a point I probably wouldn’t consider assass only sub so yeah when we get on we crafting the wep bois
huh?
idk if itll be that bad
oh or youre saying youre just surprised you got it
does the nightfall crudge sim properly now?
did it ever not?
haste overcapped
idk guys i think we gonna get nerfed 😛
yea i get it but i am so bad luck thats a quite surprised
fast KS
pretty sure it didn't in the start with stealth but my memory is like a soft potato
maybe you re right guy, as said i dont play this tier i m only watching my guild a bit and it feels like sub / assa could be better on everything
I think thats been fixed for a while
is there a world where you stack rogue in current tuning?
dslice properly accounts for vanishes triggering cudgel resets
ah cool ty
sleeper huh
Literally nobody is talking abt it but sin seems absurd
afaik
I agree
no one is talking about it bc affliction
sin seems like SSS tier
esp in keys

beacause outlaw dmg profile still has a lot of value
the affi gap is insane
well aff is literally the best spec in the game
yeah its not even close haha
assa in aoe is just dumb rn it feels like
in ST looks great but not dumb, just a solid podium
the coin bug made outlaw ST extremely high
which is nothing new 
hopefully we dont get hit
in raid ?
cuz im almost certain if they try to adjust our ST they wont un-nerf our bladeflurry
in raid ya
:)

i think sin has real potential
It might be one of the best melee dps tbqh

Like actually better than FDK
like probably sin in most fights and sub on one or two fights
not a nerf
the oppposite of last tier
sin is olp

i still remember
zac at Dawnbreaker
doing sin
cant imagine if Dawnbreaker is a S2 dg
💀 each time we use KS we will fall off
yea and in 2nd part you would pull everything
i am doing sneaky pushing and not uploading WCL
i think i need to get rid of some rank
BEEG PUSH
fk
okay i am going to change my name
is it worth switching to new Set with 2 pieces?
!gear
Unc thinks they will do class changes
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Bro after getting 4p i dropped to 15% haste, im cooked
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
do you guys like the new 4p more than the old one?
undead
@vivid vessel what if played fatebound in a streets
ye it prolly can work
you pull a lot of adds on first boss tho
but other than that basically every ohtter boss gonna be full st
but then you do way less aoe
so hm idk
for fatebound I think its better but for trickster nah
I personally really liked the higher rtb odds
yee, but double coupe might be fun too
eh
its just another chore you have to do before getting back into vanish imo
double coup is strong for sure though it ups our adr even more
i kinda wanna try it
I am confused, outlaw wants 3 crafted items now? can we not only wear 2 embelished?
2 embellish but as many crafted as you have sparks
Got this bad boy 
noice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gtiRaejG6YEzxfXJu2GNdd
Smart to slam crest on this wep or wait for floodgate/dawn wep instead?
I need smarter people than me to say something
after a perfect KIR is it still worth to wait for the reroll until things are at like 41 seconds remaining?
you can buy a champ Footbomb today for 2000 undercoin
Gn outlaw chat
you only roll once after kir anyways right? So might as well make it so that it has the highest chance to not overwrite high duration buffs if you get the 6 Kir'd buffs?
suuuuuuuuuuuu
eh?
Oh. Sorry i thought you were an avid football fan
I'm actually debating if it's worth doing a delve and spending that many for a champ item.
Is it that much better than champ pacemaker and warpclaw?
sheeesh
im still 684 🙁
im 687 🥲

i tried but couldn't get this to matter
perhaps because natty 5 buffs simply dont happen in enough sim iterations
It was our first raid today
Hey bac 
hi som
ok, intuitively it feels correct to me to wait but it literally just doesnt matter at all?
thats vinteresting

does fatebound care aobut killing spree cd? like If I proc an RP CTO I wanna vanish regardless if KS is available is that correct
guys does the street is a hell
i found others are fine except street, the time is too less
it could be because
if you kir 5 normal buffs + 1 cto and then roll
if your roll picks the cto buff then you can technically roll again
cause then you still have 5 buffs ahead of the container
O no solo
or it just doesnt happen enough to move the sim average
I just checked
ah that makes sense
Stone Idol?
yea
hum i havent get it yet
ya that's correct
fatebound doesnt worry about the ks cd
you technically CAN and it's not really a dps loss
but not an expected gain either
bring back underrot
a week 35 times farming for pluagestorm
lokt
do u think street need nerf
i tried 5 times
all of them are failed
we finally got it after quite a few attempts
I think it needs a longer timer is all
!commonerrors
Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.
yea the time is too tie
nothing sticks out as a real problem other than the insanely short timer for a 5 boss
so should i build to 6/7combo points before I use the 2nd coup de grace from 4p?
You sent it early if you would have to build with ss
but you build if you would pistol shot/ar/bf/gs
Keep or sell for 2M5? 🤔
im outlaw
I did pulls on both outlaw and not outlaw
Bac why noob?
p hard choice
@gaunt phoenix
You sent it early if you would have to build with ss
but you build if you would pistol shot/ar/bf/gs
ah I see thanks
!log
what is RWF
race
oh

will u attend
my gear is too fall behind
humm i need to get some champion gears before doing 10+
gg
so bad the gear
sylvanas shoots him by mistake
M+ Tricks
Raid ST Fatebound and cleave Trick ?
well, so Raid mainly fate which means new 2set atleast
for M+ Trick stick to old one until 4/4
ya
!loot
nice lily noob
enchant your legs
massive drop
we may have just hit the jackpot lads...
Finally
héhé thank timewalking
ya
rnt those the two listed as our likely bis/strongest trinkets?
doesnt seem surprising
do we really need that much crit as outlaw?
no
I thought we had enough for us to need trinkets like antenna or pacemaker
i think its just overbudgeted
hooray for me then
its just that warpclaw stayed in my head
from somewhere
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
in case any of you were interested in Outlaw in remix, the artifact ability reduces your CDs
thats probably the shittiest thing for outlaw ngl
or maybe ig u can keep 6 buffs forever?
idk
but thats DH so
i guess its for everyone maybe
DH?
midnight in janurary incoming
everyone has the same tree
Dreadblades is outlaw
omg
all my
gear drop
is the same slot
💀
3 helmet 2 Belts 2 Neck and 4 Shouder
october 7th remix 
i fucking suck at this class man, how do people get like twice as many between the eyes than me xD
absurd amounts of practice
the coolest thing outlaw gets
are havoc and enhance just better dps in m+? this was a 10 floodgate
bro where are you seeing this stuff
I have my ways
gotta realise that a lot of us close to one-trick outlaw; it's a practice thing at the end of the day
oh shit that's right
i bleed outlaw (when i shit)
are you playing it rn?
yeah
i like the bird
Yeah that's how it be. I can't imagine playing any other spec, and I'm too attached to my main to play another class lol.
that and outdoor mobs drop a little more than last time
there's like a "heroic" outdoor mode, right?
does that mean that turbo boost starts on the 7th too?
@vivid vessel TURBO BOOST RETURNS FOR SEASON 3
Hero and Myth upgrade tracks will extend from 6 to 8 steps with the initial release of 11.2.5, and crafted items will be recraftable with an Augmentation Matrix for additional power.
Soon after 11.2.5:
Fixer So’kir and Fixer So’tho will visit Dornogal to offer powerful weapons, trinkets, and cantrip items from Season 3 dungeons and Manaforge Omega in exchange for Puzzling Cartel Chips after adventurers have proved themselves worthy. Once again, up to three Puzzling Cartel Chips may be earned as the season progresses.
Ethereal Voidsplinters may be earned in Mythic+ dungeons, Manaforge Omega, Delves, and rated PvP to fuel the Catalyst.
Warbound until Equipped gear drop rates from Mythic+ dungeons and Manaforge Omega are greatly increased.
Valorstones may now be transferred across Warbands.
Item level 694 delve trinkets may now be purchased from Zah’ran.
ok bro
dinars too sheesh
go to sleep cuh
true
told u i cant play bnefore 100% zac
only 12
impossible befor
its just a friday thing so ye
Ilvl check?
lol
ez
not even close
hear me out for keys with FB....just take dancing steel and thats all it needs. no deft no pc
actually that was s1 before they weakened it in s2 so maybe it isnt as large as it was havent simmed it in a minute
didnt it get even stronger after the deft fix
the button press itself is pretty good
idk
it was bad enough HO should never even consider it when it was considerable before so
what time is it now
1am
:yepthink:
I dont want to be that guy
i need to have some cafe
i am sleepy af
from the vendors anyway
when MT announcement for recolors
not even recolors of existing sets
so far the scythes and the horses are the only thing worth
so like
not only do I not get dreadblades back (which I expected ) but I dont even get to farm for new nighthold and antorus sets
The mounts were nice
Hello, I've been very confused as to why our Fatebound 2pc simms insanely high, on paper it seems very underwhelming and yet simms promise upwards of 16% increase (from Ulria's tier sheet) when going 2+2. Does anyone know what makes it so powerful?
yeah the scythes and the horses are cool
Hello is there any reason to cancel new killing spree channeling with Vanish ?
So I just got 4 set, with 2 Escelating Blade Stacks and 2 Safe stacks from KS im gonna do double coupe before vanish, right?
Popo ur cooked sometimes
wdym
I was hoping theyd have the black and red nighthold set for DK that never made it to live
cuz it makes you shit out coins
We use ghostly strike and adrenaline rush so often
Did they announce everything?
and they give you 2 of each coin
We need a laxative trinket then?
as far as I know yes
also
I havent came across XP buffs

how does the 2pc achieve that? I get the AR rolling a coin counting for both but I can't seem to find anything about GS synnergies in fatebound tree
oh I see
Solo
Do you believe me
If I tell you I have always been so uninterested in fatebound
They're saying there's even more stuff than pandaria remix, my guess is they aren't really going to hold anything back
I still don't understand how all the coin thing works
I never tried to understand it all

just press buttons man
theres a shit ton more mounts but theyre mostly reskins of the same thing
Go sleep !
mb when reading the gap made it look like it's part of 4pc and somehow missed the entire part xD thx a lot for the help and patience :3
at least the coin mechanics hardly matters except for bug abuse
we need more goats
zac is the most ethical gamer here
never once ever used game mechanics cleverly
What the helly
Yes true
Never abused any bug
zeross on the other hand
Idk if you guys heard of him
Nono me no bug abuse
Most bug abuser abuser in the game
I abuse bugs. I see a bug I go "get outa here bug!"
@proven ocean
Did you scoop something from vault for 2pc?
And hc last boss curio
We good
Ye I have a normal piece in vault
But it's normal I got unlucky
man
Zac
Assa ?
Ya
Cuz we dont seem op at all in raid
Haha
Ye
It's fine in raid
But in m+
Honestly
Might be the most op a spec been this season or ?
They can easily giga nerf it in m+ without even hitting on raid at all
Ye
That's why it might be safe
But like dog is a big word tbf
It still does like outlaw st kekw

Woof
Woof
Fr fr
!gear
!gear
Wemo…
fuu doing the lords work
fml my gear is so down bad until I loot trinkets and 1 tier piece so i cata the other get my 4p 
Zac how do we not break stealth when starting Dimensius 😭
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
!wa
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
equip pvp medallion
Cheating spec…
is there a cheat not to break stealth when starting dimensius fight?
zeross HATES outlaw
play sub or assa
fuuuck
this fight is actually crazy lol
so fucking bad for outlaw
its wild
just need a dmaage amp
is there not a damage amp
i forgot
there is
That fight is bad for assa too idk
I think there is
Cant play deathstalker maybe but i havent tried it
after platforms
ya start of p3
Ionly fatebounded it i think
why would you play deathstaller tho
fb is like 10% ahead in st


i found street is pretty hard




pretty early right

