#outlaw

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vivid vessel
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im very generous

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i tip

late swallow
glass mortar
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well if u dm'd him ud tip for inv then u dont tip

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what happens is ur a scumbag

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but we all watch u ER bug 24/7 so

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šŸ’…

vivid vessel
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you aint ready for the new one

late swallow
proven ocean
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@vivid vessel ilvl check??

vivid vessel
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i havent done my split yet

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cuh

proven ocean
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ah

vivid vessel
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done the other 2

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also i dont think im crafting

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till we kill 2nd boss

proven ocean
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dagger easily for me so ye

vivid vessel
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im unsure yet

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ye but 2nd boss drops daggers os

proven ocean
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idk

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depends if my guild even kills it u guys are high rank so

late swallow
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<Wave>

vivid vessel
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2nd boss ?

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wdym

proven ocean
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is he ez idk

vivid vessel
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idk

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its 2nd

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boss

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tho

proven ocean
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ye i mean

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ur guild is like top 50

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or 80

vivid vessel
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ye

proven ocean
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my guild is like r450

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xdd ?

vivid vessel
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50 this tier prolly

late swallow
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also are frost dks playing 2h this season???

vivid vessel
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@glass mortar do i have to loot chest

wintry gate
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so i asked a question fortracking supercharger cps ai:

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................

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how is this a trillion dollar industry

torpid fiber
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LMAO

late swallow
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Bloat slop

lime lake
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at least the ai puts you in a demographic likely to own a tesla

plush swan
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okay thanks

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put ascendance on it for now?

vivid vessel
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ye sure

plush swan
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i got ticking sack of terror

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seems pretty good for early season

vivid vessel
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ye

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idk why

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its always good at start

plush swan
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like 10% on ST

glass mortar
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that shit was so funny bro but riot games posting it icant

copper radish
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on raidbots can u change the reshi wraps stat as an option?

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dont see anything maybe im lookin in the wrong place

late swallow
vivid vessel
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good day today

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time to sleep

copper radish
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champion level interloper boots from the time walk crate LETS GO

keen belfry
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whyat do u guys use to udpate aweakauras

vivid vessel
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i dont

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fuck updatring weak auras

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!!

copper radish
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weekly chest FIRE

keen belfry
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yes u do zac

quaint mauve
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my cloak does DMG tho

quaint mauve
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oh wow

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isn’t that nice for me

copper radish
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yeah they are def super BIS

quaint mauve
umbral verge
quaint mauve
copper radish
quaint mauve
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i took a 3 hour nap

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now i’m right back into action

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i need to do taz 10s

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for all 10s done

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but my group wants to attempt deathless hard mode

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🫩

gentle sky
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where was the macro for opener in st ?

dense bolt
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pins

gentle sky
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ty

frail veldt
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degen

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youre EU too lol

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literally day 1 you gained 15 ilvl?

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or what was max in S2?

proven ocean
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Idk

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Hwat was max in s2 wdym

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Idk im always jumping ahead in ilvl every season

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Maybe lucky with gear as usual idk

frail veldt
proven ocean
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684

frail veldt
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okay wow yeah so you gained 15 in one dya lol thats wild

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did you just slam a ton of keys

proven ocean
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I woke up after 4 hrs

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From now

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Played non stop only 20 min break

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30*

frail veldt
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oh yeah youre on like summer break essentially

proven ocean
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My body is destroyed tho ngl

frail veldt
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LOL

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do some stretching

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it goes a long way

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swear

proven ocean
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Never felt pain in my body and hands in a long time

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Felt like an actual wow player again

chrome eagle
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do I prio craftin a weapon or some other nonsense

proven ocean
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Idk i always craft a wep anyway so idc

daring oxide
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wtf, is this mythic?

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@vivid vessel did you get tier?

potent magnet
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I just leveled my rogue again for the first time since legion.. I feel like I'm trash! Is 2/4 set gonna help, or am I just maybe trash? šŸ˜„

teal garnet
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if youre feeling trash probably just are tbh

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but I wouldnt say we're S tier

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2 set is a big increase tho

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like 18%? or something

potent magnet
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Maybe.. Its been awhile.. I just felt like bottom of the bottom .:'D

potent magnet
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Also alot of guides states still dagger in OH: But like murlic top 50. no one using dagger.. Can you enlighten me abit on that?

teal garnet
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dagger is better by .2%

quaint wharf
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!oh

ornate heathBOT
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A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more instantpoison Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, ff Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

teal garnet
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stats matter more

proven ocean
waxen scarab
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
hallow spoke
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boys is it unironically better to have worse FB assa set for ST bosses

chrome eagle
hallow spoke
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wait we scale that hard on 4pc?

teal garnet
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mostly 2p

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but 4p is good

hallow spoke
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oh shit

vivid vessel
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It was hc

daring oxide
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ah ok

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still fuckign insane

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was it just back to back natty 5buffs?

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literally 100% ar uptime

mighty pivot
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zac can you extract your visual UB tracker from your UwU UI :3 pack and have it as a standalone on wago?

keen belfry
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i crafted @daring oxide

worthy thunder
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So as soon as we get 2pc do we break 4 set for ST Fatebound fights, and wait for 4 set for trickster?

daring oxide
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we locked in

keen belfry
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4pc gaming

daring oxide
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WTF

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do the ADR+GS tech

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become the COSMOS

keen belfry
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im doing trickster keys duh

ripe ibex
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
mighty pivot
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crafting a sword is a 5% upgrade HOLY I bet if I pull the trigger I will see the sword from DB next week in vault

smoky whale
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Yo guys, I'm the only who are trying to mount the monture and can't bcs subterfuge its active

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Like when I'm out Stealth i need to wait the 6 scnds of sub for mount

plucky chasm
torpid heath
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dumb question what do i use on my mace ( Consumable like whetstone)

latent belfry
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BRO why does kir feel so fucking awful, feel like im pressing SS four times in a row eevry 10seconds holy

late swallow
plucky chasm
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is for me guys HO the way to learn outlaw ?

late swallow
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Real talk though that can happen sometimes with really bad rng

latent belfry
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ive been hitting half my sim target dmg and im honestly jus about to go bck to HO for raid

random stirrup
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ho enjoyers be like "nice i rolled 2 non resource rolls for the 8th time in a row sucks i cant keep my cto roll of broadside"

late swallow
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But if that’s all you’re doing, then you’re probably messing something up

latent belfry
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ikkk

torpid heath
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i cant use whetstone on my mace im so fucked

torpid fiber
spring bay
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Yeah that’s why I only play HO

torpid fiber
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my brain just doesn't click with HO

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The hardest part of trickster kir for me rn is the early coup thing, it's so ingrained into my brain to build to finishers that having to use a finisher early is really fucked

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Also I should see if I can make a weakaura that's a gcd metronome but 0.2s before the gcd

worldly shale
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Works the same but for blunt weps

torpid heath
torpid fiber
worldly shale
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Bruh i grinded like

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18 hours today

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My mind is fucked

cedar kernel
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lets go lets go

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only slept for 4 hr

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then go for week 1

worldly shale
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Got both warpclaw

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And antenna

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XD

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ME BIGGA

torpid heath
worldly shale
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Fk u

torpid heath
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i mean its champion

plush basalt
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what kind of haste% are people aiming for with KIR ? seen a few diff numbers thrown around

worldly shale
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I mean i got my

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Raids tmrw

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Normal into hc

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Got the antenna from tw chest

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Xd

torpid heath
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damn nice

random stirrup
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hmm

worldly shale
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Although it might change tbh

random stirrup
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dimensius might be the worst outlaw boss ever created

worldly shale
cedar kernel
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a nice begining?

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i guess

plucky chasm
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Guys waht u recommend me to start with learning outlaw

random stirrup
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i thought tindral was bad

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this is tindral x3

plucky chasm
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It look so cool & complicated

plush basalt
torpid fiber
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fatebound KIR is probably easier than trickster KIR if I had to guess, you can also still play Hidden Opportunity even though it's a few % dps loss and a lot of people find that build easier

cinder relic
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read some guides

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practice on some dummies

torpid fiber
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Outlaw is fucking hard rn

plucky chasm
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I guess i will start the HO one yeah, i heared it many times that this is the way to go for newcommers like me

torpid fiber
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I've always found HO harder, but I'm weird and the exception to the rule

plucky chasm
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Or mayve i dive into the KiR till i build muscle memory & learn it

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Dont wanna play assa

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I like outlaw, looks so cool

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Ngl coolest spec ingame

torpid fiber
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Imo one of the biggest things for outlaw is tinkering with your UI a lot until it works for you

keen belfry
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learn HO first and then quickly transition to kir

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maybe play kir 2th

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just dont practice 1fth imo

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not yet

torpid fiber
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I need to add fatebound support sometime

cinder relic
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
glass plaza
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trying out Outlaw in some low keys, ive got 19% haste but is it normal for it to feel slow sometimes? Feels like im running low on energy during the crackshot windows a lot if i dont get the full cp refund

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using the raid cleave/M+ build on Wowhead with KiR

frank finch
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can i select what stat for it to sim with

torpid fiber
inland acorn
elder phoenix
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For M+

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which is better outlaw rn or

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Mut orgues

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rogues*

sullen wyvern
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Kiling spree should be spreaded with BF

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cnat change my mind

gaunt phoenix
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it does

torpid fiber
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it is i'm pretty sure

sullen wyvern
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oh

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I have dmg numbers deactivated so idk

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lol

gaunt phoenix
sullen wyvern
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nvm me then

gaunt phoenix
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this opening gate on dimmy automatically makes it my least favorite fight

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cause it specifically cucks outlaw and no one else

soft garden
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so i'm looking at leaderboards for timed runs, im seeing outlaws at top of the rankings, i know its early and it means nothing, but is outlaw likely to be the better pick for the season

glass plaza
exotic agate
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
ancient musk
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with old tier should play HO or KIR? hm

bright crane
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i cant decide if i just wanna go all in on ol

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commit to the vibe

near rock
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1 use of this thing HOLY

glass plaza
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do I remove ambush from my stealth bar in a KiR setup?

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realized Ive still been hitting it during crackshot after swappin

mighty pivot
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if you only play kir yes

main terrace
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Lads remember to not gloat too hard during the forgeweaver araz fight

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Watching all the little mobility-lets die to the suck

mossy herald
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netherprism doing about same dam as cloak in keys not bad

sullen wyvern
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Outlaw shines in low keys too

frail veldt
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Do we like not even get to farm the coins since it breaks our stealth for us?

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Or does it still work as long as we adr and GS at the same time

fresh frost
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is tazavesh market overtune or its just me ?

cinder relic
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Doesnt feel overtuned but the timer seems way too tight

fresh frost
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like daym i've done everything in +10 i can't even do it on 7 like wtf

surreal coral
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when to replace the DISC belt?

sullen wyvern
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when it sims higher

surreal coral
gaunt phoenix
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just any belt of similar ilvl will beat it

surreal coral
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thanks

sullen wyvern
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My loot has been so cursed this week mang

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Typical week 1 for me

latent oak
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was turbo doomed

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like legit 10s after first shield was killed he put up another one xd

unkempt cypress
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would outlaw be OP if BF was uncapped

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i think not

cinder relic
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probably

gaunt phoenix
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it's just tuning

unkempt cypress
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maybe they should soft cap it

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like square rt scaling

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or something

gaunt phoenix
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well ya

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true uncap would be dumb

unkempt cypress
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would be sick though

cinder relic
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Considering the spec manages to be "competitive" with a hard cap

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Full uncap, or even soft cap would likely be "too good" and would need to be tuned accordingly

unkempt cypress
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this niche of being consistently good at mid pull sizes is cool but itd be nice to blast like on the first pull of gambit for example

surreal coral
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what did they do to grappling hook it just doesn't work half the time but consumes the cooldown

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feels so awkward to use

gaunt phoenix
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late shadowlands

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grapple broke in overworld

surreal coral
pure jetty
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is raid opener literally just Adrenaline Rush RTB straight into rotation prio?

gaunt phoenix
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with fatebound you should use the pinned macro to AR GS at the same moment, but yes

gaunt phoenix
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Yes

sullen walrus
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hi or i can craft 720 sword ?

gaunt phoenix
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yes

sullen walrus
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how?

cedar kernel
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i made brothers cringe

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sry

sullen walrus
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how i can craft 720 sword ? 😭

dull ivy
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
solemn drift
sullen walrus
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no, what i need to buy to get 720 ilvl

gaunt phoenix
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need an enchanted gilded crest

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which you buy with gilded crests

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and gilded crests you get from 8+ keys/last 2 heroic bosses/mythic bosses

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and some from 11 bountiful delves

waxen scarab
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!log

tight kernel
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kinda pog

solemn drift
cinder relic
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Dude I didn't see dimensius until today holy fuck is this the coolest fight of all time

wide fulcrum
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uyou can get from t11 bountiful delves?

gaunt phoenix
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ya you get some with a cap

near rock
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been progging it on heroic for 2 hours now

cinder relic
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But it has so much aura

near rock
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its like we're fighting andross from star fox 64

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or master hand from smash

cinder relic
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LITERALLY

quaint loom
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might be the coolest fight in the game

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if it has a secret phase its peak

peak holly
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!loot

cinder relic
olive marten
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Damn noone playing sub šŸ’”

sullen walrus
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@gaunt phoenix

gaunt phoenix
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?!

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pls dont send an empty ping

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use your words !

tight kernel
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I guess FB for Dimensius is prob the move right? Since really only add phase is intermission then back to ST

copper radish
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guess i can only do keys at night on my night elf need the racial 1% haste to hit 19.5 for KIR... LOL

late swallow
scarlet drum
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So I sim 800k less dps in aoe going to 2/2 tier... Is that normal?

gaunt phoenix
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change talents

scarlet drum
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Oh

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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
cinder relic
late swallow
cinder relic
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Not unlikely sub gets a random 7% like sin did last tier

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where u go sub on last boss bcuz of it

scarlet drum
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Is there not a hidden opportunity build with trickster this season?

cinder relic
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sin just looks a smidge better than sub atm

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but the sample size is so insanely small

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Idk if its as bad as it looks initially

strong halo
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In raid st? Or m+?

cinder relic
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raid

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But probably also keys

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Sin seems very good this szn in the context of rogue ofc

strong halo
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Damn how is sin simming so low

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Everyone is telling me it’s giga broken

cinder relic
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cuz this game is much more complicated than ST patchwork sims

strong halo
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I’m talking about d slice

cinder relic
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WEll thats even more so the case lol

lime lake
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the number in dslice is absolutely useless to compare lmao

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literally just look at if gear makes it go up and down

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ignore what the number itself is

strong halo
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I’m about to go for 4 piece + myth weapon craft how do I know which spec I gear for if I don’t have a sim to tell me šŸ˜…

surreal coral
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any of the ulduar trinkets worth it? i got blood of the old god and pyrite infuser

scarlet drum
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Is hidden opportunity dead?

gaunt phoenix
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after tier is a bit behind but not horrificalylk so

scarlet drum
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I don't think I am close to having enough haste to make the hidden opportunity build work then.

hidden nacelle
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Nessa played it in a +13 flood

late swallow
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wox got kicked out of the friends group

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RIP to the goat

tight kernel
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Nessa the goat wym?

late swallow
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i've seen her play with both hands on keyboard

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i was gobsmacked

tight kernel
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she goated

late swallow
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simply incredible

pseudo vale
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What is UM and MO?

hidden nacelle
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11/10 ho never dead

tight kernel
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Undermine

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manaforge

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raids

pseudo vale
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k

late swallow
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wox isn't even playing outlaw on his most recent keys

dawn talon
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assa is just too broken lol

hidden nacelle
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outlaw still bis for pugs tho

strong halo
hidden nacelle
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the only issue i have is getting restealths

strong halo
hidden nacelle
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gues thats easier in caster comps tho

late swallow
dawn talon
late swallow
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outlaw bis?

hidden nacelle
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outlaw is straight blasting and assa needs a group that at least knows that dropping combat is huge

stiff estuary
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hey, dungeon slice is ok for simming aoe?

hidden nacelle
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HO GANG

strong halo
late swallow
tight kernel
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breaking 4set

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but have to cata hands

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sadge

sullen wyvern
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dawnbreaker is a shit dungeon for outlaw isnt it

strong halo
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Not really why?

sullen wyvern
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downtime

strong halo
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On 1st boss I hold AR if I’m getting close to phasing

pure jetty
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bis weap enchant is still radiant auth?

strong halo
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On last boss you can hit eggs on the way to reset and reroll

tight kernel
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we did it team

trim harbor
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is it worth converint hero chest into set piece this early(ive got tier hands from vault)

strong halo
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I’m converting 2 hero pieces for 4 set

craggy barn
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2p is worth it for fatebound (and giga worth it for both sub and sin in general

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best to exhaust ur other tier options before catalysing

glass plaza
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Is it alright to macro ghostly strike into the same button as between the eyes?

sullen wyvern
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!gear

keen belfry
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might do a sin key today

strong halo
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Idk if I fully convert to sin or stick to outlaw

upper surge
strong halo
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I can craft 720 weapon and have 4 set with 2 hero pieces

keen belfry
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just do law cuh

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law OP

trim harbor
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law only one competent in the raid

strong halo
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True but I never have warriors in my m+

strong halo
trim harbor
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bite the pillow man

strong halo
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Also if anyone has more than 10 fps P2 of last boss lmk

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That shit made my pc take off to mars

cinder relic
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I have no frame issues rlly

strong halo
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On p2 of last boss?!? What’s your specs

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I was in a 25 man group

cinder relic
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I get like, server lag

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not frame drops

trim harbor
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cant wait for amd divers to just crash

quaint mauve
quaint mauve
tight kernel
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@gaunt phoenix that macro only work for opener, or can use it every AR?

keen belfry
quaint mauve
keen belfry
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im doing so much dmg on outlaw

strong halo
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Tbh I haven’t seen a single class out dps me in m+ yet

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Afflic lock came close

shrewd latch
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So is 2pc Fatebound better than old 4 piece Trickster in dungeons?

next wedge
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yo how good is 2 + 2 pc on trickster

midnight granite
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sim

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not as good as fb

quaint mauve
keen belfry
river maple
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what percent damage increasae is 2 set?

midnight granite
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outlaw kiinda cranking

mossy compass
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Is there a general rule for when holding KiR too long? Like if I go several minutes without getting 4 buff should I send it on 3 just so I'm not wasting CDR?

frail veldt
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pins has info on it

quaint mauve
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if i’m holding too long and i get good 3 buffs

quaint mauve
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i just send it just cause

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but that’s just me

frail veldt
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you can send if you have the 3 best buffs, RP/BS/and TB

quaint mauve
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ye what mewo said

frail veldt
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but if you arent hitting the conditions for sending it then you dont send it

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doesnt matter how long its been

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thats sunk cost fallacy haha

mossy compass
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Feels wasteful to not settle for good enough at some point

strong halo
quaint mauve
lime socket
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they should make blade flurry 2 targets again and give us fan of knives back

quaint mauve
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nah bro….

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uncap blade flurry

bronze wadi
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is it better to press coupe back to back or get max combo points before pressing it again

gaunt phoenix
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you send it early if you have to build with ss

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but if you can build with opp/AR/BF/GS then you build

bronze wadi
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word

quaint mauve
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i didn’t read

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i only do it on accident but

gaunt phoenix
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it's an optimization so it's not huge

cedar kernel
tight kernel
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solo u see my ping?

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can macro only be used for opener

gaunt phoenix
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for now

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we may hold gs for vanish

near rock
small crescent
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Hey guys how much do we want to hold onto our s2 set bonuses?

small crescent
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Doesn’t seem like the new set bonus is all that great 😢

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Trickster btw

next wedge
near rock
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a lovely ring that could be yours for the low price of 1.8 million

jolly geyser
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vers/crit hero track was going for 4mill yday on draenor eu

next wedge
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efff that dude

elder phoenix
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man i was hoping outlaw was gonna be good In m+

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im doing more damage as assassination

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QQ

copper radish
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why is brann running out of the kriegval boss room eevery time i start the boss

elder phoenix
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wait

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people still doing delves?

copper radish
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ez crests big dawg

elder phoenix
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bro

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i havent done

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delves this week and im max'd

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lol

strong halo
elder phoenix
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Well ig cuz im not geared

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im 675

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with 639 4set from last tier

strong halo
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3 of top 4 rogues in m+ are outlaw

lime lake
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thats always how season starts

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outlaw players are freakazoid early season pushers

elder phoenix
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is that why

cedar kernel
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do we 2+2 or still old 4 tset

elder phoenix
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Im using trickster OH build cuz no current 4 set

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just last season 4 set

sullen walrus
cedar kernel
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yea

elder phoenix
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What build?

cedar kernel
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KIR PSF

sullen walrus
elder phoenix
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What ILVL

cedar kernel
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672

elder phoenix
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Whats psf?

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Oh priory

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Also what key like 2+ or 6? or 10s?

next wedge
elder phoenix
cedar kernel
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its the first day brother

elder phoenix
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ig i just do better with assassin

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šŸ™

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LOL

frail veldt
#

Whats the shadowmeld poiton called?

devout smelt
#

Is 80-90% adr uptime in keys good

tight kernel
#

We gaming 19.19% haste

granite merlin
#

How is outlaw looking for raid and m+

elder phoenix
#

apparently its good in M+

granite merlin
#

It might be time to learn how to play

#

I wanna learn without using a helper but all the rolling rules get me

elder phoenix
#

just get a weakaura for it

#

lol

tight kernel
#

12 Ara

frail veldt
#

!up

cedar kernel
#

a real master kev

pure jetty
#

is it worth to break S2 4p for S3 2p?

grim spear
elder phoenix
quaint mauve
quaint mauve
#

but i’d sim

keen belfry
quaint mauve
#

one gold cap please

small crescent
#

ā€œLow cleaveā€ so assuming 2p fatebound is not the optimal choice over s2 4p for m+ then?

quaint mauve
strong bolt
#

im sure this has been asked in one variation or another, but if we are 2-2 for tier and decide to play FB in keys, would we just take the same general build just with FB hero talents?

quaint mauve
strong bolt
#

ah yeah, was just referencing the pin regarding having 2 piece 2 piece

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wasnt sure if there was a "different" m+ build for fatebound, but thanks ill check the faq!

near rock
glass plaza
#

How much %mastery do you guys have? Coming from sub I’ve got around 57% 🄲

strong bolt
#

about 57% less than that

quaint mauve
#

but i have bad gear

strong bolt
#

(as little as possible)

quaint mauve
#

mastery kinda stinks on this spec

keen belfry
quaint mauve
#

it looks pretty bis

near rock
ripe ibex
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
copper radish
gaunt phoenix
#

8/8

sullen walrus
covert kestrel
strong halo
#

Do you guys pot on raid pull or on stats roll?

#

I feel like it’s a waste if I start fight with 2 stats but idk what’s mathematically correct

elder phoenix
#

?

#

so you can play KIR?

#

lol

torpid fiber
#

you need 18-20% (preferably exactly 19.05 or whatever the number is) for KIR

#

!haste

ornate heathBOT
#

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because adr Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The kir_charger KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after talents_alacrity Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The ho_charger HO build gets takem Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use raidbots Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

keen belfry
torpid fiber
#

The problem is that for KIR, after the haste goal haste is way worse

elder phoenix
#

i have almost 25% haste

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Lol. i think i over cooked

#

kir buikld is with ghostly strike right?

torpid fiber
#

yeah

elder phoenix
#

wowhead doesnt have ghostly strikes though

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am confuse

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oh thats the 2 ftm

#

fth or w/e

#

Is there a difference?

white marten
#

Check faq

quaint mauve
elder phoenix
torpid fiber
#

we basically have 2 talent points and 3 10% or whatever dps talents we could spend them on and that's what's up with the changes

elder phoenix
#

GG though

keen belfry
lucid sandal
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Wait

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Do I have to farm the arathi thing

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every hour

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for 691 cudgel

cedar kernel
#

brothers which one is the bounty?

lucid sandal
#

Shrieking

cedar kernel
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oh i have one

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thats nice

lucid sandal
#

But you need to reach level 2

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Or you won't get the map

cedar kernel
lucid sandal
#

Or so I've heard

cedar kernel
#

left or right?

lucid sandal
#

right

cedar kernel
#

thats suffering

craggy barn
#

i hate this affix

#

swampface

keen belfry
#

do not play

#

fatebound

#

in keys

#

ever

river maple
#

is 2 set okay to break previous 4 set?

keen belfry
#

in raid as fatebound yeah

river maple
#

so m+ trickster need 4 set

quaint mauve
#

and only if ilvl difference is high enough

frail veldt
#

why did this drop for me

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in a dungeon

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it wasnt warbound swear

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lol

light dune
#

question, would following container rules like roll w/ loaded dice if losing 0-1 buffs work as well? Like if you have 3 buffs above container and 1 buff below the container and I have loaded dice I'm generally rolling there but wanna know if thats completely innacurate

mild vigil
#

it was prob warbound

hidden bay
#

Guys been totally ouf ot the loop. We still trickster in keys?

solemn drift
#

Your answer is literally about 10 lines up

fair oak
willow portal
#

which kir m+ build should i go for with old set?

hidden bay
#

I never assume someone asked my question before

#

Thanks tho

solemn drift
#

I assumed you were reading the chat Pepegrin

#

Anyway yes, trickster in keys

teal garnet
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
elfin mural
#

damn this season is ours boys

bright crane
#

its start of season lol

#

ol is always strong at start

fossil lintel
#

Is our new set still shit?

elfin mural
#

btw wich priority for craft ? i got lucky i drop the 691 masse at the event

bright crane
#

i dont think our set is shit is it?

#

iirc the set for FB is actually pretty strong

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its jsut that FB sucks at anything more than 5 targets

fossil lintel
#

I mean for trickster

sullen wyvern
#

That boe ring from raid

#

is kinda gigapoggers

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the full vers one

fossil lintel
#

I remember Zac complaining on PTR since the set sucked and he was doing less damage than live while being up on Ilvl

sullen wyvern
#

almost 9k versatility is nutty

bright crane
#

not sure that has to do with our set

fossil lintel
#

That was the explanation

bright crane
#

mm maybe

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i thought solo was sayin our sets were p good

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could be wrong then

frail veldt
#

its unfort

#

the rtb set bonus just goes so hard

small crescent
#

Honestly it’s probably best to keep s2 4pc for m+ trickster until you get 720+ ilvl pieces

#

When you get combat enhancements rolling on chain pulls it’s too strong to lose

pearl topaz
#

great class design guys

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this season feels like shit so far but we'll see

kind flint
#

If i 17% haste and 4p 11.1 sould i play fatebound kir in raid or trickster HO ?

small crescent
#

We have high damage atm but I anticipate other classes are going to outscale us by quite large margin

pearl topaz
#

is Wrathstone good

frank finch
#

losing gs or cto

sudden iron
#

!prekey

ornate heathBOT
#

Pre-key fuckery

  • rtb RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
  • DO NOT rtb RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not adr AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
  • After the bubble drops use rtb RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
  • Before entering the first pack bf BF into stealth Stealth.
  • Open on pack with adr AR into bte BtE.
frank finch
#

how does chat feel

sullen wyvern
#

why would you lose any?

#

play 1 fth

frank finch
#

oh right

#

fuk me

craggy barn
#

got my 4p

small crescent
#

Would be great if u can share results for m+

#

compare to s2 4pc /wish

mild vigil
#

!haste

ornate heathBOT
#

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because adr Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The kir_charger KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after talents_alacrity Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The ho_charger HO build gets takem Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use raidbots Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

willow portal
#

is this build good for old tier in m+?

sullen wyvern
#

Should be fine

#

I'd put 1 fth and take GS

#

but it's up to preference

torpid fiber
#

not having GS is a major ST loss

willow portal
#

whats gs

torpid fiber
#

ghostly strike

sullen wyvern
#

ya

willow portal
#

hm

#

i will try it for a dungeon

#

has anyone got a tricks reminder wa?

ebon vale
hollow tartan
quaint mauve
#

i got declined 200 times

#

b4 getting into a priory group

untold yarrow
#

New Patch Drops -> Outlaw does well in low keys -> Outlaw discord HAPPI -> Keys get higher, mass AOE + burst more important -> Outlaw immediately useless -> GG

half arch
#

what is the kir build

untold yarrow
#

this is the cycle

split adder
#

!wa

keen belfry
#

i really like double coup

#

just make RTB a lil better plz devs

willow portal
hidden bay
#

Must feel pretty weird to no longer natty 5 buffs kinda consistently

dense bridge
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRl4-CKtSzI damn this outlaw gameplay pov is crazy

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normal forge
tribal swan
#

Do we only switch to LD from SoH when we have 4 set?

weary fog
#

whenever u break old 4 set

#

so if ur doing 2 set fb u go ld for example

quaint mauve
#

i only get to show it off 1/200 applications tho

normal forge
#

what is "nincompoops" ?

quaint mauve
willow portal
#

is there no wa to remind me to put tricks on the tank in a key?

tribal swan
#

Is there a BiS list anyhere or we using WH for now?

normal forge
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
mild vigil
#

when other people get gear it will be behind

quaint mauve
#

to win

normal forge
#

what is the command to see that upgrade spreadsheet stuff with ilvls?

quaint mauve
#

sin

elder phoenix
normal forge
ionic nimbus
#

yea im slamming in keys rn, but I think it's just temporary till other classes get tier etc

#

then the fall..

dense ruin
#

What the hell that’s an insane key

balmy topaz
#

!gear

balmy topaz
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
stiff hawk
dense ruin
#

Does outlaw ā€œloseā€ damage if we use a dagger

balmy topaz
ornate heathBOT
#

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more instantpoison Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, ff Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

balmy topaz
#

Keys with Tomelvis

dense ruin
#

we stay winning then so many daggers in raid

stiff hawk
#

ITs just a nono on MainHand

dense ruin
#

Yeah we’re already pushing into aotc so decided to slam a weapon craft before recrafting rings, I’m still ogling at that log

small crescent
#

Same

#

I thought we avoided fatebound in m+

#

That doo pumpin doe

normal forge
quaint sable
#

U like actually did boss dmg

strong cargo
weary fog
#

i tried fb a bit in keys

dense ruin
#

even after? Both 4p aren’t remarkable for keys

weary fog
#

having to remember to press tot after a whole season of just forgetting about it wasnt fun so i j ust swapped back to trickster

ebon vale
vagrant island
#

If i have full 684 season 2 4-set, when do i swap to season 3 4-set? 4/6 hero?

night dragon
#

Hey guys I have a question: I cant deselect elemental focus lens on my s2 neck after my720 craft. Is this normal - or something on my end?

small crescent
#

U need griftah powder

#

To override the embellishment slot

willow portal
#

is there something more than aoe blind i can use for this weeks affix?

night dragon
small crescent
willow portal
#

iwanna click buttons tho

willow portal
#

in pugs nobody has the expectation that anyone plays it apparently

elfin mural
#

!gear

solemn drift
#

Does blind even work properly on the affix, seems very hit or miss

lime lake
#

it works if you target a mob near the affix orbs

#

not an orb itself

#

which is very fun

solemn drift
#

What a great interaction

lucid sandal
#

Any reason ticking sack is insane in st?

willow portal
normal forge
#

where do u get the ulduar quest?

cedar kernel
cobalt mauve
#

is outlaw really that bad compared to other specs?

daring yoke
#

....so dimensius... break stealth to start the boss wtf???

normal forge
cedar kernel
#

portal at org or storm

lime lake
cedar kernel
daring yoke
#

have to use action button to port into boss?

lime lake
#

yeah but i stayed stealthed when i did it

daring yoke
#

oh

#

hmm maybe i have to go into abit earlier...

normal forge
#

getting declined for ulduar tw hurts

willow portal
#

should i play this in m+ or swap offhand for a 691

daring yoke
lime lake
#

no idea

#

i was playing assa but idk why that would matter for it

daring yoke
#

damn lol

sudden iron
#

is cursed stone idol oversimming?

lucid sandal
unique fulcrum
#

Signet of the Priory any good for the law?

lucid sandal
normal forge
#

does KS still needs BF active to work in aoe?

cedar kernel
#

the basic logic is, attacking 1 target in ur area each time

#

when u enable BF, the dmg will be split

real flax
#

hello guys

#

why do we need to use loaded dice instead of sleight of hand with new set

magic shuttle
#

ye

#

the tier set before empowered sleight

#

without it fishing for 5 buff just from sleight alone is not worth

#

better guaranteed 2 buff

real flax
#

but now

#

with new set loaded dice is needed

#

even with 2 part ?

red zinc
#

Yes

real flax
#

Ok thanks

willow portal
lucid sandal
#

Then if you don't care just get the higher ilv

willow portal
#

cudgel tho

fossil charm
#

Hi guys, any tips to increase single-target damage? ty

jade abyss
#

Automatic Footbomb Dispenser updated in sims ?

jovial sedge
#

!up

plush swan
#

do we run 2pc/2pc

#

or 4pc only

undone hare
#

!gear

quaint mauve
#

@balmy topaz

worthy thunder
#

Are we cancelling KS at all once we get to 7CP?

mighty pivot
quaint mauve
#

It is possible to cancel KS with a finisher after it generates you to 7 CPs. For KIR builds, it is basically the same dps as letting it finish on its own.

worthy thunder
#

Thanks mate

eager sundial
#

Do we run sleight of hand til s2 tier is replaced?

mighty pivot
#

as long as you have 4p s2

eager sundial
#

rip, was an idiot and copied build and forgot about changing that node and was wondering what was going on, old man brain...thanks

cedar kernel
#

only got 2+ key but reach 2k

#

šŸ’€

mighty pivot
#

yeah I reached 2k with 2 +2s because others are at +9 or +10

normal forge
#

how come i cant save crests by having a crafted 720 weapon? It still requires crest to upgrade hero weapon up to 720

solemn drift
#

You need to upgrade both weapons to get the discount

#

As in both slots

#

Same with rings/trinkets

normal forge
#

aw

solemn drift
#

You can do the crafting trick with rings

normal forge
#

how?

solemn drift
#

I don't remember exactly, but you craft 1 ring, equip it, then put a recrafting order up for it again but change the missive

peak holly
solemn drift
#

When you get it back it counts as another ring

#

I might be misremembering something though

near jolt
#

!wa

solemn drift
#

You gotta log out in between or something, you can google "wow crafting ring trick" and see, might be patched already

jade abyss
normal forge
proven ocean
#

Or you could be doing low dps that it shows alot

#

Or are u pumping

normal forge
#

i will sim it, but looks like a lot of dmg

proven ocean
#

Sims are wrong if something is overly op

#

Thats why im asking how good u are on outlaw

normal forge
#

im like 85% good

#

this is another take

#

i think dummie kinda resets with vanish right

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel did u see perfecto

#

He played outlaw on some of his splits

#

He did random things with ps rule tho idk

proven ocean
#

If u have to sim it u need to gear compare it with a set that fixes ur haste

vivid vessel
#

play random stuffs

#

in splits

proven ocean
#

Ngl even if outlaw becomes good

#

They’ll never know

#

Because i dont think any of the rogues in top 3 guilds play outlaw enough to be decent enough no offense tho

#

Only guy was good was jpc

#

Rest were all microwaved

steady tapir
#

Hello there, just saw one log, outlaw cast 4 snd in a raw, why?

proven ocean
#

Hello there, just saw one log, outlaw cast 4 snd in a raw, why?

#

!snd

#

!sndbug

ornate heathBOT
#

There is once again a bug that lets you spam snd Slice and Dice during downtime for CDR. It works by causing SnD to refund CPs as if it benefits from Supercharger.

To activate the bug have to consume Supercharger once normally with RTB > finisher, and then SnD will bug out until your next damaging finisher, so you can spam a cancelaura macro while it is bugged. From 1CP, SnD will have an 80% chance to refund CPs so you can't spam it forever. To activate it between pulls, you have to delay RTB until towards the end of the pack. This can mean that trying to activate the bug can cost you more dps than it's worth.

The bug is not a secret to 7 million overalls, it can mostly just help you get AR back through periods of forced downtime. You can also use it prekey to try to spam RTB for a natural 5 roll.

/cast Slice and Dice```
proven ocean
#

@steady tapir

steady tapir
#

Nice, thanks, outlaw still out of law

cedar kernel
#

gm chicken soup

elder phoenix
#

wait

#

you can cast snd manually?

strong halo
#

Yeah it’s in spell book

solemn drift
#

It's still an ability

strong halo
#

@proven ocean how come you fully committed your gear to Assas with dagger craft?

vivid vessel
#

but i mean

#

it has never simmed this bad

#

technically

#

so

#

its prolly not good

vivid vessel
#

and since assa does twice the damage of outaw

#

he concluded he would go assa

#

was a very hard choice

strong halo
#

Idk if yall trolling me hard or I just haven’t seen enough Assas

red zinc
#

Ross is an assa player anyway idk

#

Betrayal

random stirrup
strong halo
#

I’m like pumping hard though in m+ are you saying id doo even more as Assas?

random stirrup
unique fulcrum
#

Which Set Pieces we want to equip ?id guess we leave out legs?

crimson coral
#

!rtb

ornate heathBOT
#

How to use rtb RTB
(ho_charger HO build)

  • Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including cto CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

(kir_charger KIR build)

  • Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing kir KIR instead of being rolled off.
  • Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
  • Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
  • Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
  • If you kir KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

rotund zodiac
#

!gear

gaunt phoenix
lone spear
#

lads

#

heroic going* good

jolly geyser
#

looking purple

willow portal
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
strong halo
#

I had no idea Ross was French too

#

Rogue +10% dps in French hands

mossy herald
#

you can pre use prism trink with max stacks at start of key and do first pack with 50k agi hmm

tight kernel
# lone spear

Surprising warpclaw is summing higher for fb for me. Easier to farm too .

Also sims better in aoe as trickers

desert tendon
#

@vivid vessel

cold star
#

what are the best weapons this tier? do we play weapon from last tier?

desert tendon
#

Day2 ilvl and mog check

hushed matrix
#

What does "two matches" mean on loaded dice? Means getting two good buffs or what?

#

and why do we always want to reroll after KiR?

quaint mauve
#

man conjuring 3 putting out the wrong message

#

the evil satanist chick had way too much aura

#

got me wantin to be a warlock and shit

#

and curse people

lone spear
desert tendon
#

Basically you re kired rolled arent rolled off with a New rtb. So it can helps getting more buffs

#

But your kired buff could be reroll to max duration (just cant be fully gone)

#

This is Ć  kinda weird " positiv bug" we re dealing with

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel

#

is this good zac or do i give it away

#

?

vivid vessel
#

bis outlaw trinket ey

desert tendon
#

Sell it

#

Week 1

#

Should sell everuthing

#

Ez monni

quaint mauve
proven ocean
#

how come

desert tendon
#

I think this trinket is bad

quaint mauve
#

footbomb has to be sim bait man

desert tendon
#

Check pin

quaint mauve
#

it has to be

desert tendon
#

Loser

quaint mauve
#

fuck any loot from delves

#

and that cudgel