outlaw

[quaint mauve]

if i didnt

i wouldnt play

[wintry solar]

Did he really need 500 pulls?

[stuck lion]

was the tazavesh death bug fixed?

[stiff vector]

ive got 2 cata charges and 2 hero pieces to turn into tier...must resist urge to catalyst before I run a normal for 4p

[bright crane]

u guys make a 1h?

or holding spark?

[stiff vector]

I did ye

[bright crane]

committed to the law

[stiff vector]

Ill prob play some assa or sub at some point but wont matter for a little while so plenty of time to get weapons/gear for those specs

I was having fun playing assa bleed on ptr and its so much better than outlaw in keys so will need to prepare gear set for it later on, but all outlaw for now

[vivid vessel]

!up

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

Sup

[hasty warren]

if u need it xd

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna beat that delve boss in one shot

[hasty warren]

how's your vault popo ?

[echo hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857777845871181824/1405046276415950878/image.png?ex=689d66d0&is=689c1550&hm=8d3d3f4c86253c4b89e95b3d6c6173ccb11ff00ade0ecd7749ab82de3401c8d8&

well at least good trinket

[wintry solar]

I didn't get to play. It was my work week. Empty vault :/

I made gearing rules for myself this patch. Wanna hear them?

[hasty warren]

y wn

[wintry solar]

What that mean

3 rules.

I can only upgrade to hero track gear at minimum. Only exception is pvp gear for pvp ONLY.

No pvp gear in pve.

I can't start getting gear until I beat the delve boss on ?? difficulty

No cudgel

Idrgas about cudgel anyway

[kindred apex]

glad i did the last delve. was really cba mode

[hasty warren]

kek

shitty vault

[wintry solar]

Gearing too easy. Hero track may be too easy as well.

[wintry solar]

Oof

Pantaloons!

[hasty warren]

it means pants

[inland cairn]

lmao

[hasty warren]

pog

[finite arch]

Footbomb my beloved

Used you to beat underpin ??

[neat tapir]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[wintry solar]

I know. I just love the word.

Great word

[hasty warren]

xd

[ocean imp]

I think I'm eating good

[tidal sequoia]

do we do 678 cudgel

or skip ?

[hexed pulsar]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[stiff vector]

I love early season pug keys

[sullen wyvern]

Weapon should be a safe bet for first craft right?

[stiff vector]

if youre going to play outlaw the vast majority of the time in keys/prog then yes

I crafted weap but I think 2nd spark im gonna craft a dagger for playing sin/sub and just make do with rings until 3rd spark

[potent yacht]

cudgel kinda op

[sullen wyvern]

I only play outlaw

[mighty pivot]

no cudgel this week either

[worldly shale]

same ilvl, outlaws are up bois!

[torpid fiber]

what is going on with the bars there

[silk nimbus]

Hi everyone i have a question concerning the rotation with the fatebound build on single target

[worldly shale]

no idea

buggaroni

[hasty warren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/6an3o7.gif

[stiff vector]

whats your question, fatebound is pretty simple and straight forward compared to trickster

[short heath]

Is it okey if i have 20% haste with the flask ?

[quaint mauve]

I REALLY

really dont like this 2 coups b4 vanish thing

man

[silk nimbus]

just a doubt, the rotation guide is pretty clear but it says "⚠️ This build does not use Ambush at all." but when you are in the subtefruge widows you only have ambush to generate cp ? what am i missing ?

[torpid fiber]

sinister strike

if it's changing to ambush that's because you've set up your stealth bars that way not because of the spec

also that rule is KIR not fatebound (two different axis)

[silk nimbus]

oh ok

[stiff vector]

Its because the default build for 11.2 is KIR because its like 3-5% better than HO, and in KIR you never press ambush you press SS

[coral onyx]

im actually getting so triggered by vanish dropping combat on rares/bosses

[stiff vector]

you can still play HO if you want though if youre still learning outlaw

[silk nimbus]

thats what i'm missing

[torpid fiber]

it's so tilting

[silk nimbus]

thanks guys

[coral onyx]

At this point just make subterfuge a seperate ability that shares cooldown with vanish

[silk nimbus]

i dont understand sorry

[torpid fiber]

we had something like that, it was called Shadow Dance and people complained about the flavour on reddit

[stiff vector]

2 vanishes is way better than dance+vanish tbh

trickster with new 4pc would be kinda fucked if we still only had 1 vanish with how often you have to push back your vanish to accomodate KS+double coup

[jolly geyser]

ty TW

[stiff hawk]

Got 1 Invite for Yogg skip and it was a scam

[frail veldt]

1000%

[frail veldt]

people who complain about flavor honestly are kinda lost

you can change the flavor of any ability

I do wish they had gone the route of keeping dance but just calling it something more outlaw

and adding it to our cdr

then we could just slowly migrate away from subterfuge entirely

[torpid fiber]

yeah it's the "just add an ability that gives us a 6s crackshot window" thing

[frail veldt]

it really would have been a shortcut to all the subterfuge bugs

[torpid fiber]

yep

would make us worse in trivial content as well bc less free resets but like

who gives a shit, y'know?

[dense bridge]

erm sorry chud having a smooth, fun and consistent gameplay experience isnt very lore appropriate for outlaw

why do they listen to those sniveling rats in the first place

[delicate seal]

They literally even have that already implemented for other stuff

[midnight granite]

is rerolling key dead?

[dense bridge]

i think it has to be done in a dungeon at a key level equal to or higher than your current key

though i haven't tried it yet

[midnight granite]

I have a lower key than the key we timed

there is no option 🙂

[delicate seal]

I think I saw the same

[dense bridge]

likely bugged then

[digital linden]

can we cloak zophex prison?

in tazavesh

[rough oriole]

we still running focusing lens for embelish?

[latent oak]

not too shabby

[gritty hamlet]

Healer Brann is such an insane tank for trickster lol

[latent oak]

with a speed proc

[gritty hamlet]

Y'all seem excited for the dispenser, is it actually near bis for outlaw?

[latent oak]

according to pins its good

solo would never lie

!!

[gritty hamlet]

Man reading the pins on the tier stuff Outlaw needs something to simplify it lol. Makes my head hurt. I'm just here to shoot some guns

[wintry solar]

Maybe

Idk

[dense bridge]

just use hekili and tell the people who crap on it to suck a lemon

[wintry solar]

How do you make crackshot gameplay simpler and keep it fun

More simple*

[hasty warren]

go one button rotation

[wintry solar]

Dont do dat

[dense bridge]

i heard obr is exceptionally bad on energy classes/specs

[potent yacht]

they almost beat me

[gritty hamlet]

It's not even crackshot, it's the whole sometimes you save vanish, sometimes you don't, all the CDR, tracking multiple buffs that you may or may not want to refresh. Outlaw to me at least feels easily the most complex dps spec.

It's got a lot going on

[wintry solar]

I see

I personally don't think it needs to be any more simple but I wouldn't be upset if they fixed some of that

Isn't that their prerogative in Midnight anyway?

[gritty hamlet]

I'm not against nuance and optimization, but it's almost too much to juggle lol.

[wintry solar]

No I see where you're coming from

[gritty hamlet]

And that's not even talking about the secondaries situation

[wintry solar]

Yeah let's not go there

That actually drives me up a wall lol

[gritty hamlet]

When Augmentation has healthier secondary scaling, oof

[hasty warren]

imo it makes the charme of the spec

many situations to know, quick réaction, high apm

[wintry solar]

I'd expect some changes though come Midnight

Maybe not big

[hasty warren]

stat rework

🙏

[wintry solar]

I'm of the minority that thinks new = fun

[gritty hamlet]

I only ever play outlaw cause my void elf looks good with the 10.2.7 swords

[wintry solar]

I like change

[wintry solar]

Those are good

[radiant vessel]

its gotta be tier right

[hasty warren]

new playstyles are fun to learn

[hasty warren]

if ure raiding wait 1 little before picking it

[gritty hamlet]

It's kinda sucky that there's only two dual wield sword specs in the entire game and frost DK has a lot of magic going on. I guess fury sorta counts but they can never run SMF

[wintry solar]

I'm a sucker for new things

[gritty hamlet]

How the hell did I just forget about havoc

[errant anchor]

[wintry solar]

What's you're take on the new = fun

[errant anchor]

fun=fun

[wintry solar]

Fair enough

[errant anchor]

no matter if new or old

[gritty hamlet]

Regardless, Outlaw fills a really cool visual niche, and I wish it wasn't complex from the outside m

[wintry solar]

It's probably why I get burnt out on things faster than others here

[errant anchor]

outlaw is my alt this season, fun to play fast and reactive, just right for my boomer brain

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel ilvl and rio check

[gritty hamlet]

I have serious altitis.

[errant anchor]

I'm cured

[wintry solar]

My outlaw, 3 DKs, and a surv hunter.

[errant anchor]

one main one alt

[gritty hamlet]

I am probably not going to pick my s3 raid main until just before invites go out

[hasty warren]

I want to play but i've an appointement this morning

currently scratching my veins

[wintry solar]

For what

[hasty warren]

work, i mean looking for one

[gritty hamlet]

My rogue got the tier chest from his vault lol. Yay for a high vers piece.

Hero bracers from delve map

[hasty warren]

maps are availaible so ?

[gritty hamlet]

They are if you're insane and are willing to run 23 +11 bountifuls

I like delves and I have every class at 13 and tanks make 11s easy

[unkempt dew]

Delves are fun

[gritty hamlet]

Only class I hate doing delves on is mages

[sullen wyvern]

There's too much spel ldelay man

[unkempt dew]

Haha i only play rogue

[sullen wyvern]

Even in dungeons

shit is almost unplayable

[gritty hamlet]

If not for 1 hour tricks I'd probably find rogue delves annoying too

That lowkey should just be a talent in the class tree

Or default

Why should sin not be allowed to have it haha

[quaint plover]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[frail veldt]

tbh they dont need it

sub barely needs it

[rotund zodiac]

Anyone KSM yet?

[frail veldt]

what rating is ksm?

2500?

[rotund zodiac]

2500

[frail veldt]

so like all +8s?

[rotund zodiac]

Yea just like last season

[frail veldt]

nice

im sure people are then

I havent done all the dungeons yet even lol

[tropic zephyr]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[tropic zephyr]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[gritty hamlet]

It's just me liking how comfy it makes delves by making healer Brann tank.

[worldly shale]

gooderino

baderino

over caporino

[frail veldt]

I mean

[worldly shale]

or crowd favorino

[rotund zodiac]

Never see this command before

[frail veldt]

arguably

[frail veldt]

yeah its new

very cool

very useful

[mighty pivot]

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1401719501707284570/Screenshot_20250803_191220_Discord.jpg?ex=689d2a03&is=689bd883&hm=e727c53b3a7fd65982255a76e7292783b276929918cb2b67bb34cb698e132d4f&

i just saw this now

but

any chance to post this

[tropic zephyr]

yeah fuu came up with this banger

[jolly geyser]

yay,got it also

[orchid oracle]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[leaden hazel]

Guys, i let you choose: Either bis m+ trinket or tierset chest

[rotund zodiac]

Chest

[zenith egret]

Chest all day if HM

Trinket good but set bro

[leaden hazel]

trinket also has velocity u.u

I can be a fast pirate

[rotund zodiac]

velocity?

[leaden hazel]

Speed

[rotund zodiac]

oh

[timid idol]

was this the good one?

[leaden hazel]

Tier set it is

[torpid fiber]

you can get the trinket by playing 400 hours of the dungeon, you can't get the chest faster by playing raid more

[timid idol]

this trinket is not even rated anywhere

is it that bad lol

[stiff vector]

its very good for assa/sub

not rly an outlaw trinket

[timid idol]

aite ty

what boss does this drop from tho lol i can't find it on the journal

[tidal sequoia]

sack of terror

yay or nay ?

[proven ocean]

sin live keys seems balanced

@vivid vessel

we depleted halfway through tho

[vapid sundial]

!Dzhigavygule

[analog radish]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[balmy topaz]

apparently you don't need to go back to that one dude in karesh to upgrade your cloak;

/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI()GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29)GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115)ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)

[orchid oracle]

big

[hasty warren]

nerf assa

[quartz meteor]

I swapped my old tier 4 set for some more ilvl gear, I've never felt more misserable in a key struggling to get two god damn dices together lmfao

[hasty warren]

rip perma 6 buffs o7

[quartz meteor]

big fat o7

[hasty warren]

adrénaline up when TB + RP + BS

[leaden folio]

ez

[quaint mauve]

i swapped old 4 set for new 4 set

and like

it’s cancer and aids

combined

[proven ocean]

#buffassa

[quaint mauve]

i can’t believe you

[proven ocean]

im streaming it

so

it is real

[hasty warren]

nerf assa

[quaint mauve]

no

idc abt ur dmg u gerb

[hasty warren]

let us some keys pls

[quaint mauve]

get back on outlaw

[proven ocean]

nah

[unkempt dew]

What is easier to play: HO or KiR?

[proven ocean]

maybe when its good again

[quaint mauve]

HO

[unkempt dew]

Why?

Because of the dice tracking?

[quaint mauve]

idk i didn’t have a problem learning KiR as soon as i started outlaw

[quaint mauve]

idk man i’m just saying what other people said

[unkempt dew]

Haha nice

[quaint mauve]

something something more forgiving

[unkempt dew]

Hmm

[hasty warren]

ho

[hasty warren]

hi

[quaint mauve]

my only experience is on KiR

[cinder summit]

1FUU

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[hasty warren]

ho have less rules to know, u just ambush when u have procs and spam it to buld cp during sub

[unkempt dew]

Okay okay

I never played KiR

[hasty warren]

not a big fan of ho so i'm maybe delusional

but by experience it felt easier than kir

anyway I think ho is realy behind this season

[covert kestrel]

It's not that much more behind than it has been in earlier seasons, last season was just an anomaly that it was basically even with KiR with the supercharger build

[pure folio]

HO

[hasty warren]

It wasn't défault buld in df ?

I remember hating this extension because ho was ass to play

[wintry solar]

Kir pre-revamp was fun

Forgot about that one

[hasty warren]

or it was dance I hated

maybe both

[leaden hazel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[coral onyx]

Any ideas to make the [Automatic Footbomb Dispenser] bombs more obvious?

[worldly shale]

BIG

[wintry solar]

It's been so long idr what was wrong with outlaw pre talent revamp

[smoky whale]

Lol?

what lucky man

[wintry solar]

The rose tinted glasses are starting to be put on

[rotund zodiac]

I’ll miss rolling 5 buffs

[wintry solar]

Cto should be that tier set in its entirety

Idc about implications

[craggy barn]

2500 day1 and pretty much already 4p

[worldly shale]

what are we crafting?

[craggy barn]

very successful day

[latent oak]

am i cooked or is this bomb trinket not doing much damage

[torpid fiber]

it's agi right?

[strong saffron]

wat da helly

[coral onyx]

did 3% on 5 target dummies for me (8.5m dps)

but in actual content i have a lot of trouble recognizing the bombs lol

looking for a WA that alerts me on bomb drop

[hasty warren]

where tank ?

[covert kestrel]

phat wep

[vagrant saddle]

are we bugged?

pistol shot bte I cant use, and ks deals no damage. says target obscured

[lime lake]

its outlaw

of course you are

that specifically is just some open world mobs being cringe though

[zenith egret]

Are we ok first craft is a wep ? (I have both Mythic Gally and Mugzee wep rn)

[covert kestrel]

first craft is a wep

main hand = big dam

[proven ocean]

nice one bro

[wintry solar]

What veggies in the chicken soup

[quaint mauve]

would be 12m on sin

[worldly shale]

which dung

[vivid vessel]

halls

[daring oxide]

wtf nerf

[latent oak]

first ara of season

[daring oxide]

also nice comp m8

[latent oak]

idek if its useful

[wintry solar]

At a glance it looks good

[kind otter]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[worldly shale]

pog

[hasty warren]

not bad for a first key ig

[leaden hazel]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[pearl niche]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tawdry linden]

I am guessing weapon is BiS to get as 720 now?

crafted *

[covert kestrel]

as in first craft? yes, weapon is always the best

[dreamy holly]

anyone else having issues with the delve belt and lightning rod in m+

I’m sitting in stealth waiting for the tank to finish grouping and it just randomly zaps something and pulls me out of stealth

[covert kestrel]

dont use lightning rod

[grave carbon]

yup i just switched to crit

[covert kestrel]

i mean after the first tuning pass the bolts sucked

and also messed up stealth

[midnight widget]

why are there still bosses that insta reset when you vanish

this is beyond annoying

[delicate saffron]

teeeechnically they dont insta reset, if you squeeze in an ability fast enough after vanish, it wont reset

[quiet root]

you can vanish during fan the hammer's pistol shot repeats to be safe

[grave carbon]

i could not get that one delve boss

to not reset

[grave carbon]

do ppl see my current ilvl when i join a group

or the max i have in bags

[lime lake]

pretty sure its bag ilvl

[desert tendon]

bag ilvl

but you gotta relog for it to update

[icy hare]

Crafting main hand is best idea right

[covert kestrel]

the best

[tacit pier]

Mean Streak trace through Edge case now?

[waxen scarab]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[timid idol]

ts crazy the cudgel is acc broken

[red zinc]

not really

you just either dont have gear, it was a key in which everything died instantly, or werent playing ideally

[pearl flower]

do we want to use 2p 2p or stay with old set till we get new one

[red zinc]

fatebound yes trickster probably not but sim

[delicate saffron]

anyway i could play both outlaw and assa ? my friends are going on my nerves for m+ assa rouge

but i dont think i can get 2 daggers and stuff, plus the fact that their stat prio are completely flipped

[proven ocean]

cute

[inner meadow]

:o

[vivid vessel]

name color changed

i see you ross

i see you

[proven ocean]

sorry not sorry

IDK MAN SIN IS OP OK

LOL

[vivid vessel]

i know haha

[proven ocean]

Halls +10

look

LOOOOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

[silk nimbus]

gonna get nerfed i guess

[proven ocean]

nope

looks fine on zorthar stream

[prisma vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[cedar kernel]

how does outlaw feels like in some huge aoe dg

11 hrs left to the M+ open

[covert kestrel]

Same as before, not great!

[daring yoke]

weapon for first gilded craft?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah if you are set on outlaw

if you prog sub maybe not

[covert kestrel]

Well assa mainly just wants ilvl, secondaries aren't as important. The main thing for the two specs is what you spend first craft on for main hand, either 1h or dagger. But outlaw will be perfectly fine for most keys for the next few weeks while you fill out daggers and trinkets and stuff if you do want to switch to assa later on when outlaw falls off

[latent oak]

the bomb is doing like 1.4% of my overall in keys is that to be expected?

[gaunt phoenix]

seems a bit low

[cedar kernel]

sadge but we have to move on right

[gaunt phoenix]

i think

the bomba

is split damage

@vivid vessel

[covert kestrel]

[latent oak]

rip my vault then i guess xd

[cedar kernel]

what bomb?

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=242867/automatic-footbomb-dispenser?bonus=657:12042:5910:12355

[latent oak]

good morning bac

[cedar kernel]

oh

yea gm box

iirc there was a glass aoe trinket in M+?

i dont remember its name, its in 9.0 dg

[delicate saffron]

yea i remember hearing some stuff about assa not being heavily influenced by secondaries that much.
but yes as you stated, my issue is thinking on what to craft and stuff, since i came back to wow pretty late the ilvl on me is wanky

[cedar kernel]

wait nvm its not included in this season

but fr i miss plaugestrom

[balmy topaz]

Does that mean it's simming better than it should

[proper veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[covert kestrel]

As always play what you like, who knows what future tuning will look like, fuck the haters

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[delicate saffron]

id rather not fuck my friends but aye

[covert kestrel]

Statistically one of them would like it

[glass mortar]

solo i found a way to make the second to last boss not ass as outlaw

on normal the dps check was so low we skipped like 3 whole phases

never even flew off the platform

now just gotta manage that on hc and myth

[delicate saffron]

XD

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[drowsy thicket]

hi

assa or outlaw for best dps ?

[gaunt phoenix]

not really black and white

[jovial dome]

Play them all

[drowsy thicket]

but 1 of them should do more damage than other 1 😄

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

for all dungeons and key levels and all raid bosses?

[drowsy thicket]

y

but dungeon is more important

[glass mortar]

sin probably one of the strongest specs in the game in dungeons rn but you wont really feel that in ur regular average joe keys

its still strong there tho

outlaw just also is

[jovial dome]

When you sign up for this discord there is a disclaimer that says “Due the way Rogue plays, we suggest looking at all specs” 😛

[light kernel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vivid vessel]

ye expected

[latent oak]

woudlnt that be a bug

with how its worded

[vivid vessel]

wdym

every aoe trinket is split so

[latent oak]

but like geargrinder specifies its split right

[brittle lake]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[latent oak]

and the whistle says split

[latent oak]

but the bomb says x fire damage to all enemies

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

so it's oversimming

[glass mortar]

its supposed to say when it splits but sometimes they 4get

i just assume everything splits damage unless its horribly undertuned now a day for direct damage trinks

[gaunt phoenix]

so i cucked a bunch of vaults and cannot be trusted

[glass mortar]

not the first vault of the season 😭

p e r m a n e n t l y behind

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

my vault was legit the worst possible with mastery jewelry and trinket

[worldly shale]

reroll assa question mark

[gaunt phoenix]

would rather reroll to a different game

[fervent garden]

my vault was absolute garbage. Mastery items, non-tier shite.

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

got the bad luck out of the way

[fervent garden]

hope so

[civic zephyr]

played with 682 sin rogue vs my 687 outlaw rogue and we did the same overall on a 10

[half arch]

is cancelling KS good or situational

[gaunt phoenix]

it's about the same as letting it finish

so you will do it

cause when you see 7cp

you have the carnal urge to press finisher

[half arch]

ya

[mighty pivot]

the usual +150% I suppose?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[mighty pivot]

this makes my vault a coin angle

[fervent garden]

and standing in the fire waiting for the 7cp. nice shot in the balls

[gaunt phoenix]

fuck

outlaw can proc this trinket

[daring oxide]

nice

i thought so

it got double buffed

basically

[torpid fiber]

oh well that seems good for us lol

[vivid vessel]

and ?

[glass mortar]

ok but its it one of those things where only ranged attacks proc it or

is it poisons what

can we fully saturate its rppm

[restive obsidian]

Probably coins proc it

[covert kestrel]

Can we LOS the comets

[gaunt phoenix]

its good at 10 minutes https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iXoz3iFpLzkptAkdcUipDT

lmao

[vivid vessel]

hm

weird trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

its probably poisons

[glass mortar]

thats 10 minutes of hitting the 1 guy also not 10 minutes of sustains combat

but i guess it has the explode on death for aoe

[jolly geyser]

Need another beacon

[jovial current]

I take the leather chest or shoulders ? what u think guys ?

[vivid vessel]

you wait raid

but a chest is better than shoulders

[near rock]

gg boys

[tight kernel]

I need smarter people than me, bad idea to max upgrade champ track warpclaw or wait for hero drop?

[vivid vessel]

[torpid fiber]

[near rock]

its joever

[tight kernel]

Good job soldiers 🫡

[torpid fiber]

it's fine, no heroic week to be nerfed in this time 🙂

[vivid vessel]

it would be crazy if we would get nerfed right

[tight kernel]

Who do we blame

[civic zephyr]

@vivid vessel , how do i get your WA to load only when im outlaw? without breaking it lol

[torpid fiber]

I actually think we might be safe bc of the lack of heroic week, they don't like doing nerfs during rwf even this early on unless something is egregious egregious

[jovial current]

ty boss

[hollow creek]

tricks macro?

[glass mortar]

holy gluck outlaw is OP AF IN RAID

cant wait to watch some outlaw rogues in wfr FINALLY

👏 👏

[mighty pivot]

mage buffs incoming

[glass mortar]

surely at minimum we will be in on soultenderizer or w/e that guys name is

[livid pewter]

well just wait few weeks and watch your dps not changing while people rocket off the meters since we are outlaw and early season enjoyers

[harsh quartz]

I was haste deprived so I got all my gems as haste/vers gems.. got the new 2pc now and sims are telling me to change all my gems to haste/crit.. interesting

[glass mortar]

that is 2000% an outlaw fight

[torpid fiber]

if it's not a hard fight they don't care tho

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean the difference between 49 crit or 49 vers on a gem is legit nothing

would think it's just margin of error stuff

[glass mortar]

i would be a bit surprised if ur sim was actually telling u to swap gems and it wasnt just like margin of error stuff yea

[gaunt phoenix]

at some point crit is pretty similar to vers tho

[civic zephyr]

does anyone know?

[gaunt phoenix]

load tab

spec

outlaw

[torpid fiber]

can you not just change the load option for the group

[harsh quartz]

it's simming 52k higher

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[harsh quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aw9GrAanaBnYwjZVVcdsSr

I'm not some uber mythic raider, don't laugh lol

[gaunt phoenix]

no ur good

but these are vers gems

[civic zephyr]

i have 2 rogues, 1 sin and 1 outlaw, when i go on my sin rogue and select outlaw in this load list, itll turn off the WA on my sin rogue, but when i log over to my outlaw rogue, the weakaura is broken to the point where i need to reimport it.

[harsh quartz]

ahhh

[mighty pivot]

in what way is it broken

[civic zephyr]

itll display duplicate of the same icons and random overlapping of icons

so it wont show me when my KS is off CD because something is now covering it for example

[harsh quartz]

I see that.. wonder what it's actually reading as the DPS increase.. probably the haste fiber in the cloak but it doesn't even highlight that as a change

[mighty pivot]

it depends on what WAs these are but if they have anchors on things which aren't loaded it can mess up their positioning

setting a load condition doesn't break a WA

[quaint mauve]

hi guys

[civic zephyr]

this is what it looks like

like multiple tricks of the trade, multiple slice and dice icons

[mighty pivot]

these extra tricks icons might be from another spec

check the list of WAs to find which are being loaded but shouldn't (green power icon if they are loaded)

[civic zephyr]

so do i just go in and unload sub and sin?

[elfin mural]

hi ladsq

for the cloak, Hast or vers gems ?

[mighty pivot]

anything that is spec specific have it only load for the spec - however that also depends on how the WA is designed. This one looks like zac's so ask him

[civic zephyr]

i did he didnt replyyyyy

[glass mortar]

haste if you need the haste to reach ur haste cap

vers otherwise

[civic zephyr]

i need to reimport to fix now

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rotund zodiac]

Remove ks tick damage wa

[proven ocean]

this looks fake

show full meters

is there an imposter aug

[quaint mauve]

geniunely how did u do that much dmg

my best so far in 7m dps

[proven ocean]

idk ask my hands

no idea

[quaint mauve]

zeross thinks im talking to him

dork ahh sin player

[proven ocean]

nah

he cant do 11

as outlaw

end of fight looks 1 min

which is impossible

looks sus

[quaint mauve]

bro zeross

i had a tank today

for a 10

[proven ocean]

all end bosses are 4 mins

atm

his last fight was 1:20

[quaint mauve]

go on a 5 minute long

chain pull

LOL

[proven ocean]

xdd

atleast i dont think outlaw does that much unless im mistaken

[quaint mauve]

unless hes like 700+ ilvl

i dont see how

its possible

[proven ocean]

idk maybe u can with big pulls

[worthy thunder]

I am full sending Outlaw this season, is it worth to just craft weapon when ready to?

[glass mortar]

yes

[willow portal]

what would be the reason not to craft a weapon this week?

[torpid fiber]

if you might play other specs for prog

[gaunt phoenix]

if u prog as sub rogue

[split jolt]

we using weekly, nightly, or latest for simming?

[gaunt phoenix]

latest

[glass mortar]

we had 4 daggers drop across normal and herioc

2 both times we killed the dagger boss

so now i have zero equippable new season gear still but i have a herioc and normal dagger tmog

[hollow creek]

can anybody please share focus tricks of trade macro , cant get it to work

[glass mortar]

/cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade

but

thats very old way to do it

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[glass mortar]

id recommend this

[hollow creek]

thx ❤️

[quick quail]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[zenith egret]

What's the build to take if we go 2p/2p in m+ ? 🙂

[covert kestrel]

i think only fb would likely take 2p in m+, which would be a very specific damage profile to bring

[gaunt phoenix]

if you shadowmeld and sit there does it pause AR?

@frail veldt

not stealth, just meld

[white marten]

KIR for everything

Until blizz buffs HO

[rapid spoke]

remind me do we change set on 2 or 4

[gaunt phoenix]

you can try fatebound but you might not like it

cause it is so very heavily weighted towards 1 target dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound uses 2 set immediately, trickster depends on ilvl/sim

[neat tapir]

What 2 set from last season?

[zenith egret]

Ok, will keep that set for raid so

[inner meadow]

what do we craft?=

[covert kestrel]

main hand

[worldly shale]

what the fuck

is happening

with my drops today

[covert kestrel]

poggers

[inner meadow]

is that focus lens?

or what embel is it

nvm

[covert kestrel]

thats a trinket

[inner meadow]

im dumb

[glass mortar]

[inner meadow]

but what embellishment do we get on main hadn?

[white marten]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

elemental lens

[inner meadow]

ty

[tired rune]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[white marten]

Do we still use slight of hand using 2+2?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[white marten]

Kk

[candid notch]

hello, someknow about a guide with video?

[glass mortar]

not aware of any modern outlaw video guides id recommend

the FaQ in here is the best guide ur gunna find

wowhead is good to

[candid notch]

:/ thx anyways

[glass mortar]

yea our content creators are lazy

all 2 of them

how dare they

[hybrid crown]

Too busy gaming

[torpid fiber]

Making a good video guide for outlaw sounds really hard tbh

[radiant vessel]

is there a big difference between fatebound an trickster if 2p/2p in m+

[gaunt phoenix]

it's hard to answer because their damage profiles are so wildly different

[torpid fiber]

Clarification on the early coup rule: does it apply during subterfuge windows?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are constantly at high target counts, and pulling mobs into bosses, then fatebound is garbanzo

[covert kestrel]

mitch's guide in 10.2 was a banger ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

but at the same time, your average target count tends to be lower than people think it is

so idk

[covert kestrel]

Unfortunately its prob just a bit too out of date these days

[gaunt phoenix]

naw you don't coup during subt

[torpid fiber]

ty

I assume the ss builder part still applies though, even if it feels bad using ss over bf in subt

[gaunt phoenix]

last I checked it didn't look like a big deal to prio SS inside of subt

so the simple rule is to just do the same thing inside and outside of subt

[torpid fiber]

good to know, ty

[tight kernel]

@gaunt phoenix I used your macro a couple pools. Felt good for opener

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, just means i probably don't have to beat myself up over hype BFing when I'm in subt LOL

[glass mortar]

how do u feel the macro tho

[torpid fiber]

guarantees lucky coin presumably

[glass mortar]

the bugs its working around are entirely passive and the stuff they proc isentirely passive

[gaunt phoenix]

your mental feels good when you get lucky coin

[glass mortar]

there is no feedback at all from any of it

i c

[torpid fiber]

also maybe they have 4p

[glass mortar]

[torpid fiber]

Smh

[queen kiln]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sly prism]

guys how is the outlaws current situation compared to assa and sub for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

think sin is just better

outlaw slams lower keys but i mean so does bleed build

[strong saffron]

solo

[sly prism]

🙏🏻

[strong saffron]

duskthread better in keys ye

or cause our prio is ass

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be like the same

[strong saffron]

u reckon we send ele

rly

ok i send lens then

[glass mortar]

its not like lens gives u prio in a pack of mobs since itll proc on anyone ur hitting

[gaunt phoenix]

well rppm procs are most likely to hit your main target

[glass mortar]

but the dif between these last season was lower then margin of error so i stopped caring

[fathom bramble]

lens and other rppm effects will mostly proc on your main target

but it's like 1% of your damage so it just doesn't matter anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah its like a proc that does 0.8% damage vs not even 1% vers

[glass mortar]

couldnt get a tangible dif between them on dslice or aoe or st tbh, biggest was at 8t i had vers at like 0.3% better iirc? honestly havent simmed it since cause like

lol

its nothing

if its armor i put versa on it because i like seeing my stat number go higher, if its weapon or ring i put gem proc on it

[willow portal]

do we put anything on the weapon that we craft?

[glass mortar]

ez minmaxing

if u wanna sure

depends on if u already have 2 embellishment slots or not

[gaunt phoenix]

ya put lens on it

[polar niche]

it's good to do 4 pieces of set using 2 catalyst today?

[glass mortar]

if its available to u sure

altho if u have no other serious content left to do this week u might consider holding onto a cata charge for post reset incase u get a myth tier slot in ur vault

[covert kestrel]

but if that involves catalyzing lower tier items than you expect to get, you have to weigh the options of short term gain vs long term

[midnight thorn]

are we still cutting off KS when we max CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

its about the same as letting it finish

[desert tendon]

solo it s ilvl and mog check time

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lookmaxxing-mogging-mog-mogger-sigma-gif-8993446863020147836

[hybrid crown]

I got this phase weapon from the orbs in the new zone

It looks nice with the black bloodfang set

Wish they were a bit bigger though and maybe back sheathe vs hip

[covert kestrel]

i just got thunderfury and while its so old i cant help but to use it with everything, it just looks so funny on my gobbo

[hybrid crown]

also enchant appearances really have a nice effect on the wep

I added one that makes it just a tiny bit red which is nice with the blood fang set

[hybrid crown]

I never got the OG one but I love the legion ones

esp when I am stuck with a lame ass dagger

Beast slayer enchant made them just a tiny bit red

But it's not like a red fart cloud, it cleanly changed the blade to just a little red

[glass mortar]

ughhhhh u just reminded me i need to get off my ass and get back into pvp to get this seasons enchant

knocked it out week 2 last season and havent pvped once since

good drip tho

[covert kestrel]

whats it look like

[glass mortar]

no clue

gotta get it anyway

last seasons was dec im still using it

[dense ruin]

It’s best one since shadowflame

[glass mortar]

last seasons? or this

shadowflame was super sick tho ya

[covert kestrel]

what rating do you have to get for that?

[hoary elk]

sorry for this super random question still newish to the game. I just got the Incorporeal Warpclaw but its only champ track. I am by no means a CE player but I got AOTC in the first 2 seasons even tho its champ track its probably worth keeping until I can replace it right?

[glass mortar]

enchant is 2100 i believe

not 100% sure actually

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, it's good

[hoary elk]

thank you

[frail veldt]

Don't think so no

Idk if you've noticed this new bug though but it happens while questing a lot where I will be crouched over and look like I'm in stealth but I won't have the buff and uhuh isn't active BUT my stealth button doesnt work cuz it checks !stealth so I have to use a spell book stealth

[willow portal]

ok so help me understand, if i craft weapon this week but in the endgame dont use it, isnt that waste of ressources?

[torpid fiber]

it is in the long term but generally people value the large short term gain more

[gaunt phoenix]

you just move it to your offhand

[torpid fiber]

By the time its a waste you'll have enough sparks

[covert kestrel]

you ideally want to craft it using enchanted gilded crest which will only be beat by a fully upgraded myth item

[gaunt phoenix]

in general you cant predict when you will get a mythic mainhand

and mainhand ilvl is so important

[glass mortar]

i mean u dont wear 10 pieces of crafted gear in ur bis

[covert kestrel]

which depending on what content you engage with, might take a while

[glass mortar]

u get far more sparks then u need for gear

[toxic laurel]

stop pushing guys we are gonna get nerfed

[glass mortar]

any piece of gear u get now and upgrade that u arent wearing in bis is a "waste" by that logic right

[summer badge]

is scream for a forgotten sky good after latest tuning?

[gaunt phoenix]

every spec within 3% score, balance is solved

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

it looks good in long fights

but shorter fights it will fall short

and in aoe it sucks

so

[summer badge]

alrigth, ty :3

[torpid fiber]

It's gonna be broken in the 1000 minute fight at the end of midnight

[slow oasis]

those fcking tier 11 delves are impossible to complete on mele characters

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm, it didnt seem so bad

[covert kestrel]

did you tricks brann

[slow oasis]

i tried doing it in a group, 1st room took us 20 minutes to kill lmao

[keen belfry]

solo no cap

2pc fatgebound is m+ bad

[slow oasis]

yeah, it works fine until he jumps all over the delve and pulls everything

[glass mortar]

group makes it worse

stuff scales harder then u

[covert kestrel]

never group delve

[glass mortar]

and as dps u cant tank mobs for longer then 10 seconds

which is why outlaw is bis for delves

we dont tank mobs

we can tricks brann or evasion literally every pack

[rare crater]

I've been doing fine in tier 11 delves, but yeah, Brann is a bit finnicky to play around It

[glass mortar]

u will get autod to death if ur ever actively tanking 4-5 mobs at once

dont even try

just evasion on cd

its cd is like 20 seconds

[gaunt phoenix]

is it

[glass mortar]

if im doing group delves i come on my tank because tanks still dont take damage even in 11s so u can carry people pretty hard

[hybrid crown]

Ive been doing 11s pretty cleanly so far

It'll only get easier

[glass mortar]

i mean the moment they said "group" explained everything

doing an 11 in a group is like 5X harder then doing it solo as outlaw

everythings hp is massively inflated

[slow oasis]

idk maybe its my 672 ilvl, but i cant remember scaling being so bad last season

[glass mortar]

delve normal mob scaling is pretty bad

the autos just start doing 30-50% of ur hp

[gaunt phoenix]

the earthen mines or whatever was kinda rough but i think thats one of the harder delves

[glass mortar]

we just ignore all those problems

[hybrid crown]

Any person you add makes the health and damage scale disproportionately and if you wipe once your delve is cooked

[glass mortar]

like every once and awhile i'll do my 8 mob pull in an 11 and evasion is still on a 10s of farming cd and i will need to kite and almost die because i forget how hard the mobs hit

but as long as ur paying attention outlaw is bis delve dps spec easily

everyone else suffers. i dont even try 11s this week on my windwalker

i just do them as brm

[hybrid crown]

I also run circe and healing belt proc

It doesn't hurt my DPS that much and I outheal brann

[desert tendon]

Weran

Brann checkup

[glass mortar]

uhh

i done as many delves as i could so far this week, which is to say ive played the game for around 4 hours since reset and 3 of those were in raid

but i havent looked

hes like 82-84 probably

[desert tendon]

How s the raid in pug? XD

[glass mortar]

normal flopped so hard alot of deaths we had were to mistaking phase transitions that we just skipped

but i did it with my guild mythic raid group obv so no clue

[desert tendon]

Wtf

[glass mortar]

and we havent spent time on any dimi yet

[desert tendon]

Even if it s normal, for à pug to skip things is impressive

Scared about the tuning

[glass mortar]

herioc felt like a reasonable challenge, they were at 4th boss when i had to get off to go to bed

[glass mortar]

i didnt pug it

[desert tendon]

Oh

[glass mortar]

im sure pugs need to do the whole fight

[desert tendon]

Thought u were à pug andy

[pearl niche]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

what is the hero track quest for timewalking, you have to run all of ulduar?

[glass mortar]

im in a myth guild (i raid on 2 myth teams part time now actually)

i think most bosses should be killable on normal this week tho

[desert tendon]

Why did i Thought u were à pug andy

Idk

[glass mortar]

mechanics felt decent but tuning felt low

prob cause i pug 99% of my keys

im adjacent to all the main raiders cause i took a break from the guild team and raiding for several seasons so all the new peeps dont know me

i dont catch invites so i just pug when my priest discord friends arent around

[mental beacon]

deft maneuvers worth for any boss in raid? Kir 1fth build

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[desert tendon]

Weran gaslighting and taking PIs

[glass mortar]

i do be taking PIs

[desert tendon]

LOL

[glass mortar]

because our priests like to send them yolo without a target

[mental beacon]

Swift slasher instead?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[glass mortar]

and outlaw always has its cd up

our dh was getting them last night too

[desert tendon]

I had à priest with the wa that tells when zomeone cd

I got à lot of PI

That way

Even as sub, per default the wa was tracking symbol or dance idr

[covert kestrel]

no just yogg

if its the same as it has been

[gaunt phoenix]

Can you skip to yogg

[covert kestrel]

yeah people generally run skip with tip things in the custom raid finder

(optional tip)

[heavy shadow]

Do all heads from vault come with gem slot or is it luck?

[gaunt phoenix]

luck

[heavy shadow]

sweet

I guess it's only the ones which you can use with the vault x6 item which can proc a gem slot?

I don't think this happened once last season for me, is it new?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think i understand the question

[heavy shadow]

Could items proc a gem slot last season? I never saw it

[grave carbon]

im listing my own keys and it takes forever

do ppl just hate yellows?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[glass mortar]

anytime an item u can add a gem socket to drops from a loot source it has a chance to just come with a socket

from vault or from the other sources of loot in the game

[viral bison]

how's outlaw preforming?

compare to other rogue specs

[potent yacht]

we are about to get nerfed

[viral bison]

FUCK 🙁

[viral bison]

im not agreeing with these tho you need melee comp to be there 😄

[potent yacht]

this was me in raid yesterday

[glass mortar]

bro thats almost every single spec in the game in S tier

[glass mortar]

that image is a meme

[viral bison]

WTF

[viral bison]

Sad ret pala noises*

[glass mortar]

... how is the rest of ur raid so bad

[potent yacht]

LOL right

[glass mortar]

was pug?

[potent yacht]

yea it was pug

[glass mortar]

i lost to all 3 of our warlocks and not a single dps in our group was under 4m on that fight

[tired rune]

we aiming for that week 1 nerf again

can't wait

[glass mortar]

most were quite close to me

the boss prior to that seems like a good outlaw boss tho

the one with the orbs

[potent yacht]

the first couple boss M+ build on raid is OP

[gaunt phoenix]

forgefucker is THE outlaw boss

[lime lake]

real

we love forgefucker

[glass mortar]

yea forgefucker adds live long enough its an actual outlaw boss

the adds on all the fights prior i got to BF cleave on for ~3 seconds on average

xd

[lime lake]

soulbinder adds explode instantly yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

soulfucker

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

also its hilarious there is like a "pad" ST boss this season

the moth boss

we had 10 people missoak on herioc and just die so we limped over the finish line and spent like 3 minutes in the final phase running out of room

super lengthened damage amp phase

ez parse strats

[potent yacht]

did liquid get aotc yet

[glass mortar]

i doubt they even tried

[potent yacht]

isnt that what they were doing this entire time?

[glass mortar]

unless it seems turbo undertuned its usually a waste of time for the top guilds

was it?

[lime lake]

no, theyve been doing splits this entire time

[glass mortar]

would be hype if they were

yea beating ur head against a prog herioc boss is a waste of time during the race usually

[lime lake]

6/8h into splits

[glass mortar]

could be doing splits and m+ to prepare better for myth

especially when the endboss doesnt even have anything particularly op on it

[gaunt phoenix]

what are the chances of outlaw in rwf

[lime lake]

100%

[glass mortar]

on forgefucker

i believe

we get at least 1 fight surely

just 1? outlaw can have 1 boss during wfr as a treat?

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-love-gif-23276930

[potent yacht]

i feel like soulbinder is a good outlaw fight too

[glass mortar]

the real issue is any rogues they have are probably gearing up sin which doesnt super heavily overlap with law

[lime lake]

every single one crafted a dagger

so gg weapon

[glass mortar]

so their gear will not be nearly as optimized for a 1 off boss

yea exactly

[normal forge]

my guild went from one rogue (me, outlaw) to 3 rogues, me + 2 sins,

FOTM change things

[desert tendon]

My guilds went from 2 rogue to 1 rogue to 2 rogue retired and à third one in vacation for the 2 first weeks

[glass mortar]

this is what our soul hunters looked like

honestly if we werent 30 man raiding and i had gained any ilvl but cape since patch came out i could probably compete with those locks

maybe this is also an outlaw boss

[normal forge]

that pisses me off, that a rogue at 99% cant beat a 80% whatever other class

[glass mortar]

who can match us in high uptime 3 target cleave

[desert tendon]

We had à 4th rogue but s1 he just said "cba i m Never playing rogue again"

And he deleted

After 10 year of rogue

[glass mortar]

well its warlock so

this fight practically designed for aff

dev also has good 3 target cleave i thought

[lime lake]

yeah the spread cleave spec being good at the spread cleave fight is kinda just how it goes

[glass mortar]

maybe scalecommanders fallen off too hard

oh yea every spec that isnt an orange parse in that pic is a dot spec

go figure

ye thats gunna be a dotter fight on mythic prob

[bright ferry]

I'm going to launch a new political movement : MHOGA, Make Hidden Opportunity Great Again

[glass mortar]

we did this bit once

[keen belfry]

idk i just would never ever recommend fatebound in m+ even if 2pc

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's awkward

[hybrid crown]

Yeah someone got banned for that no rogue political movements lol

[gaunt phoenix]

!gear