outlaw

[late swallow]

double restless effect for evasion

[covert kestrel]

Gun rogue tank

[late swallow]

[potent yacht]

time to swap to feral

[stiff vector]

so far so good, im also sitting on the same load screen. NA beta testing at its finest baby

[dawn talon]

nah a rogue tank spec with slow mh and mandatory dagger oh for parrying

would be peak

[late swallow]

!container

[random stirrup]

should have known servers up an hour early was too good to be true

[untold yarrow]

whats the new HO build?

[random stirrup]

bait and switched

[untold yarrow]

samea s last?

[copper radish]

How many more hours about to be added to maintenance

[knotty needle]

6

[gaunt phoenix]

its in faq

[knotty needle]

3-6 is my guess

[gaunt phoenix]

st or aoe

[covert kestrel]

dead

[untold yarrow]

aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

#1276306860126900315 message

after tier you go loaded dice

[untold yarrow]

ah ok its with pc

[copper radish]

So 8

[knotty needle]

2 business hours

[red zinc]

Man

i know wow aint trying to do any crazy storytelling

but they could do one less cliche one time maybe?

[covert kestrel]

SpOiLErSSSSSS

Dimensius is our dad?

[late swallow]

wdym?

zadie smith ghostwrote this patch

[covert kestrel]

too deep a cut

[dawn talon]

i mean its like the middle of her story arc

i think we should wait to see why shes still soooo obsessed with alleria before anything else

[potent yacht]

WE R IN

[red zinc]

lesbian exes

[near rock]

bro i am not taking

[random stirrup]

vault dont seem bricked to me

[potent yacht]

POG 2 SET PIECES

[near rock]

this fucking footbomb

[gaunt phoenix]

F U U T

[keen belfry]

eez

[late swallow]

sheeeeeesh

insane pull

[potent yacht]

3 set pieces actually

[late swallow]

hero tier first vault is kinda the dream right?

[vivid vessel]

ye

its what you want week 1

bis delve trinkets arent bis

[random stirrup]

huge tier chest

[vivid vessel]

tier is better

[covert kestrel]

EDICT

[hasty warren]

gg

[glass mortar]

ok who was it i bet with

was it u

@daring oxide

spoilers of the final cutscene are out

[gritty hamlet]

tier chest, wooot

[glass mortar]

pay up bozo

u cooked too hard

[covert kestrel]

Socket angle?

[rotund zodiac]

huge

[gritty hamlet]

is everyone rolling the tier chest? 😄

[tight egret]

Not tier, but not terrible either

[gaunt phoenix]

eh?

oh delve ring

[frank finch]

big

[covert kestrel]

huge if true

was that the one we werent sure if it existed?

[proven ocean]

ez socket btw

never pick random items

bait

[late swallow]

surely it's a tier chest angle?

[proven ocean]

unless ur a giga ass casual

[potent yacht]

everyone ASSEMBLE to nightfall lets go get the CUDGEL xD

[covert kestrel]

Still have pawn installed

[tight kernel]

dog

[random stirrup]

Mind-Fracturing Odium

[errant cairn]

Hello everyone, I'm considering switching mains this season to Outlaw rogue. I haven't mained a rogue since Wrath. Do you guys believe Outlaw will be strong this season?

[vivid vessel]

woof

[covert kestrel]

nah socket is guaranteed dps, if you take chest you might get a new one

[covert kestrel]

no

[late swallow]

surely you speed run 4 set asap

[potent yacht]

if u can 600apm to be 3rd place in dps in M+ yes

[late swallow]

it's not like you're a giga CE raider anyways

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-rude-matty-matheson-larb-is-goooood-its-disrespectful-impolite-gif-26328309

[late swallow]

respectfully

[covert kestrel]

I CHOOSE NOT TO MYTHIC RAID CAUSE I HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE

[potent yacht]

NIGHTFALL HAS STARTED LEGO

[sullen wyvern]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff vector]

got hero track tier helm

[dim parrot]

Do you know your apm in combat in a dung

[covert kestrel]

at least 4

[vivid vessel]

ininfite

[potent yacht]

500+ for sure u end dungeon with 500bte/500ss thats 1000 buttons already

[frail veldt]

what if I choose not to mythic raid but dont have a social life still

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[dim parrot]

Also do you make your spell queue window shorter than the default? What’s the benefit of that

[frail veldt]

OOOOOOOOH SHIT

whatd he do

[proven ocean]

rep abuse

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

bro 200 days

tf?

what do you need to do to get banned for 200 days

[sullen wyvern]

did he rep farm exploit?

[unkempt cypress]

any good?

[glass mortar]

they announced they r banning heavy rep exploiters yea

[unkempt cypress]

cant find info on it

[frail veldt]

probably not, dynamic haste is bad

[vivid vessel]

i mena this tier exploit wasnt even an exploit tho

[glass mortar]

probably one of the worst trinkets for us

[frail veldt]

haste is our worst stat past 20%

[sullen wyvern]

Gloves are our worst piece right?

[vivid vessel]

it was just playing the game

[frail veldt]

so haste procs are bad

[vivid vessel]

200 days

[proven ocean]

idk LMAO

[glass mortar]

sure

[royal ermine]

tier pants

[vivid vessel]

thats one year bro

[gaunt phoenix]

not great

[proven ocean]

thats actually wild

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

ngll

[unkempt cypress]

kk ty!

[daring oxide]

I think me, what are the spoilers

[wintry solar]

Only hero track tier. Don't settle like the others. You deserve better king.

[glass mortar]

i doubt this guy accidently redid the quest on 2 alts tho

lets be honest

[proven ocean]

he wont have it rdy for night expansion

[glass mortar]

i know a ton of people who did it multiple times but only on 1 or 2 alts b4 they knew

none of them have been banned

this guy probably did it 10+ times across toons

[vivid vessel]

no i more meant like

[glass mortar]

very obvious

[vivid vessel]

how do you know thats an exploit

its just a quest that gives rep on every guy

because if this is an exploit right

[proven ocean]

ye

blizz is stupid

af

[vivid vessel]

why is doing quests with the rep thing

[proven ocean]

not evne close

[vivid vessel]

on every alt

[proven ocean]

rly stupid

[glass mortar]

how do u know that a way to infinitly grind rep for a faction where everything else is timegated is an exploit?

[proven ocean]

fucking

devs

[vivid vessel]

not an exploit

[proven ocean]

i dont support liquid but this is absurd

[late swallow]

yeah that's what I meant

[proven ocean]

ngl

[vivid vessel]

ok but the other one isnt an exploit weran

that is also infinite

[late swallow]

hero track is probably good

[proven ocean]

well i do like liquid but

[cedar kernel]

hero tset is very good to me since i dont have raid to do

[glass mortar]

what other one

[proven ocean]

would be sick for method to win

no cappi

or

[late swallow]

i hope liquid wins again

[glass mortar]

anything that lets u get rep endlessly as long as u keep making toons is an exploit. they arent going to ban every exploiter tho

they r gunna ban people who did it 50 times and capped their rep

[ripe ibex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

when it was clearly supposed to stop at like 10 this week

[jolly geyser]

im just waiting for the kill cinematic

[cedar kernel]

a good begining to be ahead of most of people if i could get my first tset in vault

[late swallow]

the only thing that sucks if liquid wins is that gingi will probably go clobbering time on his gf again

[red zinc]

Alr out unc

[glass mortar]

if they just ban anyone who did it thats pretty L for sure

[fathom bramble]

they are probably(hopefully) flagging people that did it on a ton of characters they never play

[fathom bramble]

if you log into a monk you haven't played in a year and all you do is this weekly it's incredibly sus

[jolly geyser]

oh,havent checked.cheers lil gup

[late swallow]

Greetings, Noble Mike!

[jolly geyser]

oh 38min ago, I was eating a baguette

[glass mortar]

y u posting a GM like GM responses arent completely inaccurate about game rules 80% of the time

think about literally any gm screenshot u ever read

[vivid vessel]

uh

[late swallow]

Wishing you fair rolls and legendary loot ahead!

[vivid vessel]

i mean that guy litteraly asked a gm if he could od that for example

[red zinc]

we dont even know if this ban is about the rep exploits

[frail adder]

Shoulder tier piece 694 or 691 wep crit/verse

[glass mortar]

if this is true then thats silly but they are allowed to still call it an exploit if a single fast quest is giving 250 rep per alt and someone does that 200 times

[jolly geyser]

playing or you waiting for midnight xala toes?

[red zinc]

what is this argument

[vivid vessel]

i would hope the gm would answer properly

[vivid vessel]

well sure

[late swallow]

this tier looks hella fun tbh, but I think i'll sit this one out again

cycling season going crazy

[glass mortar]

zac like half the gm responses ive ever gotten were inaccurate

thats why u gotta resubmit tickets and shit

[vivid vessel]

I mean ok

[glass mortar]

im not saying hes lying im just saying

i dont trust gm direct responses as certified proof of blizz policy ukno

[vivid vessel]

we are just saying gms are lying now

so how do you know whats legal or not

cause to me

both are exploits

[glass mortar]

by not doing obviously scummy shit

[vivid vessel]

or looks like exploit

except one isnt

[glass mortar]

yea nah if u go and do a full world tour on 3 toons u play actively and get extra rep maybe ur exploiting but probably 90% of users arent

[fluid moat]

no, who said that ?

[vivid vessel]

is it scummy to spam world quests thta give +15 rep everytime

[glass mortar]

if u go do a 250 rep quest on 15 toons in a row and u dont play 10 of them

this isnt a hard line to draw no?

[vivid vessel]

uh

it is tho

you just

what is the line

if i do it with 3 chars its fine

but not 15

[glass mortar]

the line is if u think something is bugged it probably is and maybe u shouldnt hella exploit it

yes if u do it on 5 characters and ur actively playing them all its probably not sus

[fluid moat]

but if I do it with 15 its fine, but not 30

[glass mortar]

if u do it on 50 characters and u live in world of warcraft and actively play them all, its probably not sus

r we playing stupid here or

[vivid vessel]

bro

how do i know its bugged tho

[glass mortar]

u dont know until blizzard tells u, same as any other thing in the game. but if it works differently from 99% of other rep sources

its probably bugged

[vivid vessel]

i think the pvp quest is weird and you maybe should avoid it but if i wanna farm conquest for example and do that on every char ?

im fucked

and then for the quest thing

[glass mortar]

id say the contract thing was also a bug! and i woulda avoided "abusing" it

[vivid vessel]

its just buying the contract on every char

[glass mortar]

until blizzard directly commented

[vivid vessel]

and doing the world quest

whjich isnt that extraordinary

[fluid moat]

Wowhead tell it faster than Blizzard, this time.

[vivid vessel]

so

[glass mortar]

im not even talking about the pvp wq?

im talking about the spark weekly

i didnt know pvp wq was also bugged

[vivid vessel]

anything that looks vaguely suspect you have to avoid doing lol

[fluid moat]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/be-careful-of-karesh-trust-reputation-and-reshii-wraps-exploits-in-11-2-378059

[glass mortar]

no u have to avoid exploiting

[vivid vessel]

its the pvp one that gave infinite rep

not the spark i thinkg

[glass mortar]

idk how to define the clear line in my head to u i guess

[vivid vessel]

but you cant know tho

like i didnt buy contract on alts and did world quests

cause im lazy

but to me that aint exploiting

[fluid moat]

Spark is a pvp quest, isn't ?

[vivid vessel]

idk

[fluid moat]

it is

[vivid vessel]

the weekly pvp

is the one thats repeatable

idk

[glass mortar]

i mean the crafting spark

is it still called a spark

idk what it is

[vivid vessel]

we talking about renown rn

right

[glass mortar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

cause crafting spark is diff

[vivid vessel]

you know you have x per week

if you get more

you know something is wrong

at least

[fluid moat]

The exploit was with https://www.wowhead.com/quest=90781

[vivid vessel]

and that was doing actual dodgy things

with inputs and shit

[glass mortar]

there was a quest related to crafting ur first spark that u could turn in for repeatable 250 rep across all ur toons iirc

if the pvp wq was also doing this

i wasnt aware

[fluid moat]

It's litterally on the wowhead news

https://www.wowhead.com/news/reputation-exploits-earn-swift-bans-for-players-ahead-of-season-3-launch-378103

[glass mortar]

oh ok this is a 10 day ban even, so whatever is in that screenshot isnt for rep

[potent yacht]

rip cudgel

[fluid moat]

Cloak ?

[wintry solar]

Did Zac get suspended

[vivid vessel]

no lol

[wintry solar]

There's a new one dw

[vivid vessel]

weran

what about this new outlaw bug

[potent yacht]

where?

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

what about it

[vivid vessel]

any exploit enjoyuers

well

[fluid moat]

Theres another exploit on cloak to be able to upgrade it to 614 +

[wintry solar]

Same place

[vivid vessel]

its an exploit isnt it

[wintry solar]

It's in RNG weekly chest tho

[glass mortar]

sure

[vivid vessel]

p[eople do it accidentally trho

litteraly

[potent yacht]

i know i just did it didnt get it RIP

[glass mortar]

exploit of class mechanics isnt the same as exploit of game systems and is an easy line to draw tho

[wintry solar]

Ripppp

[fluid moat]

Still and exploit. Not bannable in this case but an exploit

[vivid vessel]

ok sure

i still think this rep thing

this season

is on blizzard

[glass mortar]

it tends to be very easy to tell people who accidently use an exploit and people who use it on purpose idk

[vivid vessel]

not on player

[wintry solar]

I'm scared to log on because I have super high renown and idk what I did to get it

[vivid vessel]

its different from the gingi one from last tier

[glass mortar]

i dont know a single person who got a 10 day

[vivid vessel]

you remember that one or

[glass mortar]

like half my guild did the pvp repeatable apparently tho

on at least 2 characters

[vivid vessel]

you had to specifically validate all your quests at the same time on diff accounts while multiboxing

like

that was definintly an exploit

[covert kestrel]

no cudgel

[vivid vessel]

just doing quests on every alt

idk

xd

[fluid moat]

Think abt ppl who done it on 40+ chars

[glass mortar]

an exploit is literally anything not working the way the game intended that someone abuses

[gaunt phoenix]

i wonder if they are more likely to believe a world first raider is exploiting while a rando doing it is 'accidental'

[vivid vessel]

how do you know the intended bro

[frank finch]

@vivid vessel bag tech works btw

[fluid moat]

amount

[glass mortar]

generally because u wont hit rep 18 if u didnt intend to do it

[vivid vessel]

proof or fake

cause that sounds super fake

i want actual proof

[glass mortar]

i doubt there are very many players actively maintaining 25 alts just to do this world quest on purpose

[vivid vessel]

and if it works, cant i just not loot the key, why should i have bag full

[fluid moat]

doesn't need to be actively just lvl 80

[vivid vessel]

every world quest raider have plenty of chars tho

and they just do all the same shit on every char

[fluid moat]

every mount farmer too

[cinder relic]

Do you think people who did it accidentally once or twice got banned for a week

[glass mortar]

yea and if they are smart when they see a single quest is giving a LARGE amount of repeatable rep their main guy probably tells them hey dont do this until we have confirmation from blizzard

[glass mortar]

absolutely not

if i found out they did thatd be a huge L for blizzard lol

[cold jewel]

4 trinkets and 2 pieces of hero tier what a vault

[frank finch]

person who had space in bag got key when chest looted , person with full bag did not

will report later with proof

[cinder relic]

Why is it that any time blizzard bans for bug exploits theres always this like, this "Well how would blizzard KNOW this person wasn't malicious or on accident"

[vivid vessel]

i heard that they did banned a bunch of pvp people just farming the pvp currency doing that quest on every char tho haha

[cinder relic]

Like they have internal metrics and shit to base this off of

[glass mortar]

ok guy im literally arguing ur side against zac rn tho

i agree with u

[cinder relic]

Ik

[buoyant cosmos]

SParks go brrrr

[vivid vessel]

i think this tier is different than the one we had in s1

is my point

[glass mortar]

i dont think its nearly as hard to draw a line between clear exploiters and normies

[vivid vessel]

this tier is mega weird

we have 2 source of infinite rep

that you can do

[glass mortar]

and if some people get caught in the crossfire that sucks and they appeal

[vivid vessel]

or more idk

that are seemingly unintended

[glass mortar]

feel like they trend towards only picking up outliers for these bans tho

[vivid vessel]

but not really

[glass mortar]

remember the outlaw coup bug ban

(literally nobody ever banned)

[fluid moat]

isn't really infinite

[glass mortar]

does anyone here know anyone with a 10 day

[vivid vessel]

well as long as you have characters

[cinder relic]

Can somebody explain to me why I'm getting popups

from fuckass adons

advertising themselves

[vivid vessel]

you need the adblock addon @cinder relic

[covert kestrel]

oh fuck are we going back to elu

[jolly geyser]

which ones

[vivid vessel]

you dont have it ?

[fluid moat]

520 max if I remember. Yeah i'm boring 😄

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean you around btw

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it's me zero

[wintry solar]

yes it's me zero

[frail veldt]

could be account sharing

tbh

[glass mortar]

@daring oxide || the etheral guy is confirmed to not be endboss if u watch final cutscene (or any other cutscene of this patch) ||

[covert kestrel]

Hello its me zeross I quit wow and I will work hard to maintain a good fut--- OH FUCK ASSA META

[glass mortar]

|| he actually gets backstabbed and killed by xal after we manage to trap dimi ||

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-dead-dove-i-dont-know-what-i-expected-gif-13420229

[glass mortar]

these r lore spoilers from final cutscene if u click them

i just had a bet with vai

[daring oxide]

my theory was wrong

i have lost

[glass mortar]

i expect 2 beautiful kspree reworks by 11.2.5 🫡

[jolly geyser]

||wow I never saw this twist coming!!!!!!111!!! ||

[gaunt phoenix]

:buh:

[jolly geyser]

[late swallow]

We got london on the track

[covert kestrel]

[wintry solar]

You may see London. You may even see France. But I see Somnius' underpants

[covert kestrel]

crunchy

[wintry solar]

You've been here since 23 and you're still a new member

[late swallow]

Love this!

Mind if I save this?

[cedar kernel]

💀

u must didnt saw my dagger in ass

[wintry solar]

Thank you for the gold kind stranger!

[late swallow]

[cedar kernel]

there was a good time

[wintry solar]

There was a party in his pants and we weren't invited

Sad times in #outlaw

[dim parrot]

Max said hopeful’s ban isn’t race or rep related

[harsh mural]

worth taking hero track tier gloves (kinda L secondaries) over champ track tier chest?

[covert kestrel]

im always a new member

[covert kestrel]

what would you do?

[harsh mural]

me am bad at game

[gaunt phoenix]

see what you get from raid

[harsh mural]

i havent raided since shadowlands m+ only

[cedar kernel]

does the first one is a weapon or a trinket

[harsh mural]

in mine? trink

[cedar kernel]

oh

ty

[frail veldt]

@proven ocean I wasnt paying attention did Hopeful actually do to get that long of a ban

Also is it safe to open vault now?

[covert kestrel]

yes

if you like s2 champ gear

[proven ocean]

yea

yea open vault

or?

[frail veldt]

no like what was he 180 day banned for

[sudden fulcrum]

S2 vault is a rumor with no basis that I can see

I’ve only seen good vaults

[frail veldt]

nvm

nightbot

just saw it

LOL yep

calllled it

acc sharing

[proven ocean]

@frail veldt

his PoV

[proven ocean]

wait

did he actually acc share?

no way

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

thats what the bot says

[proven ocean]

nah

thats 100% wrong ban

unless

he has ppl farming shit for him

[frail veldt]

idk

[white marten]

That legit?

[frail veldt]

his reaction made it seem like he knew

[white marten]

Or AI?

[frail veldt]

like it wasnt a "BRO WTF??!?"

it was more like a "aaaah ya got me"

[white marten]

🥲

Rip hopeful

[covert kestrel]

can he now play a new account or is it like a "enjoy the bench we go next"

[teal dust]

at the 1st week of the season?

[frail veldt]

technically he can

but they could ban that if he streams it potentially

id assume hed be online immediately if he had a backup account

if youre gona account share

why would you not

[teal dust]

like literally at the race start not 1 week sooner or later

[frail veldt]

make a backup account

insane

[white marten]

To teach a lesson

[glass mortar]

well why would they ban it this isnt a perma ban or ip ban right

just an account ban

[late swallow]

banning this close the race is egregious

[teal dust]

thats bullshit

what lesson?

[white marten]

He can just buy another gear account

[teal dust]

XD

[late swallow]

people are saying Echo is working with the Mossad

[spare dome]

why are you defending him just because dude is in rwf guild wtf

[glass mortar]

dont account share?

seems like a good lesson to learn to me

[frail veldt]

yeah just a suspension technically

[glass mortar]

🫡

[white marten]

Bro what? 🙃

[glass mortar]

idc if ur in the race or perma casual farming delves

u account share i hold no water for u

[covert kestrel]

all wow streamers could get banned and no one would miss a thing (besides zac and awang, they the goats)

[glass mortar]

if u get banned for it o7 go again buddy

[white marten]

U account share, get fukt. its that simple.

[late swallow]

but sharing is caring tho?

[white marten]

True

But not when it comes to RWF

[wintry solar]

What about when my brother is gone for a month and I do his traveler's log

On his account

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[frail veldt]

I mean

technically

[teal dust]

accoring the assassination police community thats a crime

[frail veldt]

straight to jail

[teal dust]

XDDDD

[wintry solar]

Wowwwwwwwww

Being a good brother also makes me a bad person

[glass mortar]

listen im not morally condemning him or anyone who account shares

[wintry solar]

What a world

[glass mortar]

theres "valid" and unvalid reasons for it

[spare dome]

ban = jail okay

[glass mortar]

but for blizzard, its always invalid

so if they find out u fucked around, and u get burned

👋

it is what it is

[spare dome]

im actually amazed they didnt give him a slap on the wrist

[wintry solar]

What about when I log into my gfs account and clean out her bags?

She's a hoarder

[covert kestrel]

"gf"

"my"

[teal dust]

fuck the guy, and fuck rwf, you telling me if 2 people play on the same account that will cause a problem?

[wintry solar]

"a"

[spare dome]

are you first time online or what, every game is like that

[frail veldt]

bro what

you new here?

[covert kestrel]

Doesnt matter its against the rules lmao

[glass mortar]

yes it could cause issues

[covert kestrel]

always has been

[frail veldt]

thats why so many chinese m+ titles got revoked

they account share af over there

[glass mortar]

99% of the time it doesnt cause blizzard doesnt care if its minor things or theyd never find out

[frail veldt]

1 account = 1 human

[glass mortar]

like if ur partner logs onto ur wow account on ur pc and does some world quest who the fuck is gunna know

[frail veldt]

if its obv on the same pc

how can they tell

[glass mortar]

but if he got found out and a 180 day ban

[frail veldt]

thats not that big a deal

[glass mortar]

im willing to bet its more then that

[frail veldt]

you can have like one account at home

sure

they dont care

but if youre having someone log in to farm stuff for you or whatever

thats obviously against tos

[spare dome]

like he said they killed gallywix(?)

so its technically boosting

[teal dust]

you are so keen on the "yeah its so wrong bla bla" but in your mind whats the actual problem with 2 people playing on 1 account?

[frail veldt]

I just said it

[spare dome]

there isnt for me

there is for blizzard

[glass mortar]

??? whats wrong is its against the blizzard ToS

[frail veldt]

you cant pay for someone else to do work for you in the game

[spare dome]

and every othger company

[frail veldt]

thats cheating

[glass mortar]

i literally said i have no moral issues with these people

[frail veldt]

lol

its like someone taking a test for you at school

[glass mortar]

same way i dont think zac is bad person for perma abusing every outlaw bug within 0.5 nanoseconds of it being discovered

[frail veldt]

its passing off someone elses work as your own

[glass mortar]

but i also wouldnt defend him if he caught a ban for it

🤷

[frail veldt]

honestly

[wintry solar]

I was doing the travelers log for my gf one October and I did the horseman dungeon. And for the first time since they added it to the game. I got it on HER account first try.

[frail veldt]

rotation bugs i cba

[wintry solar]

Does that count as tos

[frail veldt]

thast blizzards fault

[frail veldt]

yes

[wintry solar]

Boooo

[frail veldt]

you literally farmed a mount for her

[wintry solar]

I did not

[frail veldt]

thats like explicitly against tos

[wintry solar]

I did one dungeon

[frail veldt]

you just said you did...

yeah

[wintry solar]

And happened to get it

[frail veldt]

doesnt matter 1 or 100

[copper radish]

Banned

[frail veldt]

you still played her account

to progress her character

under her name

thats cheating

[wintry solar]

I just needed 5 for the log

[teal dust]

you good brother?

[frail veldt]

Im fine

[wintry solar]

I'm evil

[teal dust]

need any help outside this discord server?

[wintry solar]

EVIL

[frail veldt]

yall are really dense to not understand something so cut and dry haha

[teal dust]

loosen up

[frail veldt]

weird to get your undies in a bunch

[teal dust]

XDD

[spare dome]

hollow needs to be baiting hard

[glass mortar]

popo just so u know my dad is blizzard

i hope ur gfs account is ready

[frail veldt]

also hilarious this is somehow your first time hearing of this?

[wintry solar]

Okay but what about my brother and his pet duel achievements?

[glass mortar]

o7 180 days inc

[copper radish]

Yeah next time I get chat suspended I’m telling them u farmed a mount for family

[teal dust]

you here talkin about BLIZZARD TOS

[frail veldt]

same thing

[covert kestrel]

hollow with the "RELAX BRO" argument: doesn't seem to be effective against Mewo's Semantic Seppuku Style

[frail veldt]

playing someone elses account to do work for htem

[wintry solar]

Okay what about

Uh

Lemme think

[frail veldt]

regardless of whether you think its correct or not

[buoyant cosmos]

are people just stanning this guy?

[sullen wyvern]

so the idol that was pinned got gigabuffed again?

[frail veldt]

this be how its been for hella days

[wintry solar]

That's all I've done

[frail veldt]

wows had this rule as far back as I can remember

[teal dust]

its aight tho cuz when has ever blizzard gave a shit about its playerbase

[wintry solar]

Like water on a grease fire

[late swallow]

lmaoooooo

[frail veldt]

again regardless of whether you like the rule or not, this is how it is and has been for a long time

[teal dust]

that guy sitting here in a server defending blizzard tos XD

[glass mortar]

bro no way it was this blatent

[frail veldt]

I MEAN

[glass mortar]

l m a o

[frail veldt]

this is obv a ban

wait

inb4

hollow defends piloting

[glass mortar]

nah guys blizzard is def the villian

[wintry solar]

What about when I open vaults for my brother

[spare dome]

weak ragebait buddy

[glass mortar]

i woulda 100X expected they only give him like a 2 day due to the race

[late swallow]

believe it or not, ban

[wintry solar]

Amazing

[copper radish]

No ban as long as u fk his vault up

[frail veldt]

literally logging in from another ip can cause a ban lol

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-believe-it-or-not-believe-it-or-not-jail-parks-and-rec-gif-3275634010746838096

[frail veldt]

esp if you log in again from some other location really far away within a short period of time

[late swallow]

if ur mom looks over your shoulder while you play, it's gonna be a ban

[civic zephyr]

[wintry solar]

So if I go to my brother's house and log in, I could get banned?

[copper radish]

Well what if. What if. They have the same IP?

[frail veldt]

no

[frail veldt]

how would they know

[spare dome]

you can shit on blizzard for all i care but account sharing is literally bannable everywhere

[frail veldt]

wat

[copper radish]

They in the same house

[wintry solar]

I'd tell them because I have a guilty conscience

[late swallow]

blizz confessions

you get into a anon zoom call with a GM

[frail veldt]

afaik ip addresses are device specific

[copper radish]

Yeah same house same comp

[frail veldt]

then they obv cant tell

[copper radish]

Popo don’t have his own computer 😂

[wintry solar]

I do!

I just upgraded actually

[frail veldt]

is this really peoples first time hearing about account sharing?

[late swallow]

specs?

[frail veldt]

I feel like im dreaming

[wintry solar]

I'm literally fucking with you to the best of my ability

Though I do those things

[copper radish]

Nah lmao. I used to play this guys acct in vanilla and helped him get HWL. But that was way back before they checked 😂

[white marten]

Outlaw pretty mid in raid sims, eh?… i guess it could be worse

[spare dome]

you guys think he had a thing about his contract in case of a ban?

[frail veldt]

good question

[glass mortar]

id hope the orgs have figured out stuff like this by now, seems decently important for someone who is effectively a contracted employee?

not sure how they handle that exactly tbh

[wintry solar]

Who got banned?

[glass mortar]

hopeful

[wintry solar]

Who's that

[spare dome]

hes hopeless rn

[frail veldt]

in my experience for these type of "contractor" 1099 type work, the hirer often reserves the right to terminate services

[glass mortar]

limit mage recruited from echo (i think from echo right)

[frail veldt]

and stop pay

thats how it was when I did 1099 stuff for similar esports things

[spare dome]

yea probably

[wintry solar]

I remember him now

[late swallow]

did echo send him as a kamikaze agent

4d chess

[frail veldt]

and whats funny is in california to get around a lot of 1099 regulatory stuff they actually get hired on as "actors" lol

[glass mortar]

could be more drama then we know but also everything going around is hearsay rn so not gunna spread anymore of it

[wintry solar]

Didn't he go on a tangent that one time?

[glass mortar]

other then it appears the ban is not being lifted and was fully deserved

[wintry solar]

No that was venruki nvm

[wintry solar]

Who's that

[quaint mauve]

i got rewarded

[copper radish]

Did he get banned? Lol

[wintry solar]

Check this out

[covert kestrel]

imagine not waiting til raid

[wintry solar]

Idk. If not he should.

[copper radish]

I second this

[quaint mauve]

my guild is not getting to the boss that drops chest piece on heroic week 1

so

[brave fossil]

Imagine rolling higher than a 20 on tier

[covert kestrel]

I'm not picking vault until week 3

[quaint mauve]

yeah im also not crafting till week 3

just dont do anything even

whats the point

[late swallow]

if you're not saving your vaults until RWF is over, you're ngmi

[gaunt phoenix]

what is ngmi

[covert kestrel]

now youre getting it

[late swallow]

not gonna make it

[covert kestrel]

Nihilism is BIS philosophy

[spare dome]

so did all his accounts get banned?

[shy pecan]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frank finch]

@vivid vessel

looted a 7

it works

[covert kestrel]

[sudden fulcrum]

How

[frank finch]

bag trick

go with full bags

turn auto loot off

only loot when u want a higher key

we did a 8 gamibt

he loots this

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donaldtrump-interview-banned-cnn-gif-7677105

[vivid vessel]

why does the bag full matter

i dont get it

cause i can just not loot it no ?

[frank finch]

i think so , its just to be save i think

[glass mortar]

@frail veldt

[spare dome]

https://x.com/LiquidGuild/status/1955347969089122785

Liquid Guild (@LiquidGuild)

X · Aug 12, 2025, 7:17 PM

[copper radish]

So is AOTC done yet

[frail veldt]

LOOOOL

[quaint wharf]

bro this footbomb trinket

is giga outsimming my sacbrood

[sullen wyvern]

This looks like dogshit

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[covert kestrel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

haste proc stinky on outlaw

[covert kestrel]

[dawn talon]

yeah its rather odious if you will

[covert kestrel]

More like ODOROUS

[dawn talon]

those words mean the same thing

[covert kestrel]

meh

MODS

[glass mortar]

NO

MY NITRO

I ALMOST HAD IT

MR BEAST COME BACK I NEED FREE NITROOOOO

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-do-the-mean-mods-sanat1ve-why-do-the-mean-mean-mods-mean-mods-keep-banning-gif-25086533

[wintry solar]

It's Ryu!

[digital gale]

holy

hi

[wintry solar]

Guys Ryu came back

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[digital gale]

let me write first XD

[covert kestrel]

No

If you write you will be banned

[digital gale]

a

[covert kestrel]

We must save you from yourself

[digital gale]

banned

[wintry solar]

Mods get him

[digital gale]

jokes aside, should i craft a ring as my first crafted item?

[latent oak]

no

[covert kestrel]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

probably main hand unless you expect a mythic weapon soon

[latent oak]

dragonriding section on dimensius

• a dps amp

[covert kestrel]

we're so back

[latent oak]

rip

[digital gale]

i see

thx

[wintry solar]

Yall have fun raiding as outlaw

I'm doing real content

Delves

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-strife-kingdom-hearts-wing-vincent-aerith-gif-26936888

[latent oak]

im fishing in jade forest bud

[wintry solar]

When brawlers guild

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-the-elder-scrolls-the-elder-scrolls-oblivion-stop-stop-right-there-criminal-scum-gif-7645226535652182022

[wintry solar]

Brawlers guild is peak community content

[digital gale]

i want to keep playing HO :'c

[wintry solar]

Watching people get shit on is great

[wintry solar]

Do it

[digital gale]

wait what

[wintry solar]

Chicken butt

[digital gale]

ok, if my RL said something i gonna sent the screenshot.

[covert kestrel]

popo is a viable source

[digital gale]

send*

[wintry solar]

Let me talk to him through you

[warped tide]

What does it require to upgrade cloak now? Some questing or just delves?

[lone crow]

it matters because they changed it last season, now whenever u finish a key u automatically get one in ur bags

[wintry solar]

I parrot what the greenies say

[lone crow]

by having full bags u cannot get a key since ye, the bag is full xdd

[wintry solar]

Greenies and Tobfon

I like Tobfon

[vivid vessel]

ok

[wintry solar]

Did you try it yet Zac

[vivid vessel]

what about a slot tho

like

how do you loot gear

[wintry solar]

For reallllll

[frail veldt]

tobfon feels like a greenie

[vivid vessel]

or do you not

[lone crow]

u dont

[wintry solar]

Tobfon should be

[lone crow]

i mean u get the gear in ur mailbox

[frail veldt]

wowzers

[covert kestrel]

SUB SZN

[glass mortar]

huge voidance

massive

[frail veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831447050879058/out.webp

[copper radish]

Fire

[unique fulcrum]

what are we gonna craft first,weapon?

[covert kestrel]

always

[short heath]

Umm why is assa st sim higher than us ? What happened 😭

[copper radish]

Wep

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-the-office-shut-up-gif-19330811

Sims*

[frank finch]

everyday it goes higher

i know why

there kb bug is fixed in simc

that was like 200k dps

[glass mortar]

idk i think sin could use one more buff

just one

[tropic zephyr]

Nah u lying

[glass mortar]

(no compensation nerfs please)

keep 👏 on 👏 buffing

[frail veldt]

real real

[tropic zephyr]

Real real real tho?

[frail veldt]

assa stronk

[tropic zephyr]

Powerful

[short heath]

Assa is bis in m+ too ?

[frail veldt]

ye

[halcyon surge]

so... we even bothering with outlaw on dimensius with that cooked opener?

[frail veldt]

oh the platform thing?

does it unstealth you?

[short heath]

Fo real?

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[frail veldt]

yes why is it surprising? haha

assa was bis last season too

[late swallow]

it'll just get better as people start doing higher keys

plus it's just straight up tuned better rn

[white marten]

Where?

[short heath]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short heath]

Here

[white marten]

-_-

[green elm]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[white marten]

Sub dungeonSlice kinda crazy

[short heath]

True

[white marten]

Outlaw needs like 3-5% aura

It should be simming the highest given that it has 0 burst damage

[short heath]

Or new hero talents that are not prompted

[white marten]

Or a KS that isnt channeled

On a spec that is all about uptime

[frail adder]

Lads i need help, im literally 680ilvl and lowest dps in LFR its not looking good. i have read all the guides and watched bvideos. im still doing literally nothing. Any good outlaw twitchers or youtubers i should study? or have yall faced problems like this before and found a fix

[worldly shale]

@proven ocean

[open jasper]

Screams of forgotten sky siming better than antenna now for me

[dim parrot]

Guides and videos are nothing compared to hours of experience and muscle memory for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

bro this last boss is litteraly tindral

outlaw is so over

[zinc briar]

imexile playing outlaw!

[vivid vessel]

💀

[lime lake]

holy

[hasty warren]

because of down times ?

[lime lake]

outlaw gaming

[frail adder]

so im cooked

[vivid vessel]

its litteraly tindral fight

twice

same way

ye

i dont think current outlaw can survive this

[hasty warren]

well

[austere mantle]

hey @vivid vessel do you have any idea if the current HO build with 4 piece undermine set is at all transferable to raid with 4 piece manaforge or is the only viable build one that uses KIR?

[vivid vessel]

ye its fine

its worse than this tier

but its the same as every other tier

ho is like 5% behind

as usual

not unsurmontable number

[austere mantle]

i would expect as much. if it's only 5% behind i would much rather stick with it b/c frankly i really don't like KIR build

[vivid vessel]

ye thats fine

people have played ho every tier

[hasty warren]

fck ho

[vivid vessel]

with this difference

its not bad

[hasty warren]

kir is based

[austere mantle]

KIR with the like super strict haste requirement and all that is too much pain and annoyance for me to deal with

[covert kestrel]

i mean ho supercharger wanted pretty high haste last season too

[austere mantle]

i said strict, i never said anything about how much

the way i understand it now is

• HO: high haste good, no hard cap
• KIR: 18-20% haste, no more, no less

[covert kestrel]

i was just more saying that most ho players last season should be pretty close to the haste requirement already

[austere mantle]

the hard haste requirement is what has me so hesitant about KIR builds

that, and i just don't like how it plays

[vale warren]

2% range
no more, no less

[hasty warren]

honestly the haste requirement is not this bad

u can quickly fix it while gearing

[gaunt phoenix]

Nah it's lame as fuck

[vivid vessel]

its one of the worse thing to happen to outlaw ever

[worldly shale]

so hopeful just made a new account?
thats kinda counter intuitive if he can do that XD

[rigid dawn]

Why is it super strict? Sorry if it’s pinned

[vivid vessel]

i dont complain about it cause its just gear so it doesnt impact gameplay directly

but its mega cringe

[worldly shale]

max just said hes getting a new one

[austere mantle]

exactly

[vivid vessel]

thats how bans in games works generaly

[worldly shale]

not rly

[hasty warren]

real issue for me is that outlaw stats dont make any sense

[worldly shale]

if its a big fk up

[glass mortar]

It wasnt a perma

[worldly shale]

can be an ip ban

or worse

[vivid vessel]

im not aware of a single game that wont let you just create another account

[worldly shale]

league

[vivid vessel]

ye except there isnt many game that will perma you

by ip

[worldly shale]

for example tyler1

[vivid vessel]

thats like

not a thing

bro

are you shitting me rn

or

[civic zephyr]

ivee been permad and made a new account and even told riot i was doing it

[hasty warren]

it's autorized

[civic zephyr]

and nothing happened

[vivid vessel]

tyler1 is like the only instance ever

of this happening

almost

[worldly shale]

so im right

[vivid vessel]

why do you take this as an example

[short heath]

If you are a pro player and get banned in league its over for you

[vivid vessel]

no

[worldly shale]

[vivid vessel]

you arent

lol

what

[gaunt phoenix]

You want to reach 25% haste to max the gcd reduction from adrenaline rush

The HO build already reaches this from talents, it just liked extra haste for energy

[worldly shale]

[glass mortar]

Yea cause permanent bans r hard to maintain

[worldly shale]

[hasty warren]

every pro player have at least 3 accounts lol

[glass mortar]

R u gunna hire a cybersecuirity guy to just watch that person to make sure they never make a new account from new ip or

[austere mantle]

also zac, one other big question I have is what's the like...ruling on wowhead trinket ranking vs sim ranking?

(for context, i've been cursed with the knowledge of calc 3 and i know too much about how derivatives n shit work)

[glass mortar]

It's easier if they just normalize not caring if u make a new account

And if they r gratiotous with the ban evasion u ban again and again

[rigid dawn]

Ah thank you

[austere mantle]

hi weran, nice to see you again

[austere mantle]

oh it's 25% now? up from 18-20?

[glass mortar]

Hello

18 to 20% gives u 25% due to talents

[austere mantle]

ah gotcha

i assume we swap tier sets at 4 pieces?

[austere mantle]

honestly this relieves so much stress of my planning n simming what gear to farm for, tysm

[vivid vessel]

ye np cuh

[glass mortar]

Fatebound can swap at 2 iirc therss pins abouts it

[hybrid crown]

They should make the tree in a way that lets us skip alacrity

[glass mortar]

Trickster probably 4

Ilvl will matter tho

[hybrid crown]

Then in later seasons maybe static 25% might be worth it and opt into like lethality

[gaunt phoenix]

Get 2 immediately and go fatebound, its too strong

[glass mortar]

Even in aoe?

[austere mantle]

now my question is if I want to keep using the HO build, how does that apply to the build logic on wowhead? (iirc it was fatebound for pure ST, trickster for anything else)

[austere mantle]

oh? due tell

[glass mortar]

Doesn't change it ur just worse in every situation

[gaunt phoenix]

I pinned it

[glass mortar]

And u need less haste if ur playing the supercharger ho built but idk if that's the recommended one

[vivid vessel]

solo

did you test the bte thing

[glass mortar]

Might even depend on the strength of ur haste gear

Which is stinky

[hasty warren]

Nooooo not a delve trinket please everything but this

[austere mantle]

you mean the HO build?

[glass mortar]

Ya

[austere mantle]

ok so my current understanding is HO build wants high haste, and there is no hard cap b/c more haste just means more energy regen

but does KIR have this same cap? is it 20% hard stop?

I'm not opposed to trying KIR again, but it's the jump from HO to KIR that is....tricky

[glass mortar]

Ur still fb st trickster aoe most likely

In full gear

[austere mantle]

fb?

[glass mortar]

Fatebound

[austere mantle]

ah right yeah

[glass mortar]

Supercharger ho build wants high haste

[austere mantle]

sorry had to re-read what you said

[glass mortar]

And by high haste it's like 19%

Which is almost identical to kir

[hybrid crown]

You get too much buff to BF as trickster

[glass mortar]

Haste past that is still quite bad

Not as useful as it is for kir but yea

U can compare that to like 10% haste vigor ho

[austere mantle]

and i assume sim yourself is still the like golden rule?

[glass mortar]

Idk which is stronger it probably depends on how good the haste vs non haste gear is even

Which sounds cursed

Cause u don't really want the haste in-between 9 and 19% for any build except no ghostly ho

[hybrid crown]

I wonder how low haste big vers big crit would look for HO trickster

Or more crit at least

[glass mortar]

Well u run vigor but vigor is just not a super strong talent so idk if it's stronger or weaker or very close

[hybrid crown]

Medium crit

[glass mortar]

Either way it'd worse then kir

[hybrid crown]

😦

[hasty warren]

when a mastery rework

[glass mortar]

There's no saving ho brother play it if u enjoy it but it's worse at every target count

o7

[hybrid crown]

I will be KIR in raid for sure

[stuck sparrow]

Chat

footbomb trinket isnt target capped