if you ask someone what outlaws key identity, its using guns
#outlaw
tribal cosmos
If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a baseline mechanics check. If you cannot handle mechanics while maintaining a strong DPS or HPS rotation, you will only drag the group down on the harder fights ahead.
This is not optional. This is not "just a warm-up boss." This is the fight that tells us whether you can balance your gameplay fundamentals aka: awareness, movement, uptime, and performance but all at once. If you fail here, you will fail later.
If you can't be bothered to put in the hours to grind this fight, you are disrespecting the other players on this roster who are putting in the work. This is a preparatory fight for a multi-week raid, and it requires commitment. If you can't commit now, you won't commit later.
And before anyone even thinks about saying, "my class isn't designed for this encounter" fucking save it. I've seen hundreds of Chinese VODs of Kyveza beaten on every single spec and every single hero talent combination possible. The fight is beatable. The capability exists. The only difference between them and you is execution and effort.
So here's the bottom line: Beat Kyveza before raid night, or don't show up.
@lone spear imagine we had a barrage like gp ult
Acid rain for rogue
hallow spoke
KS should've just been MF ult
lime lake
say that again
balmy topaz
cannonball barrage
Like a raining one?
wintry solar
A barrage of cannonballs!!
lime lake
lone spear
balmy topaz
Could be our mastery
tribal cosmos
You mean gangplank ult
wintry solar
No
balmy topaz
Make it our mastery
jolly geyser
get enough mastery or you get scurvy
wintry solar
A rain of cannonballs
Better grab an umbrella
tribal cosmos
IMAGINE WE HAD BARRELS
wintry solar
No
tribal cosmos
OH FUCK THAT WOULD BE INSANE
fathom bramble
barrels sound like targetting hell
quaint mauve
how do u access the kyveza fight
wintry solar
IMAGINE WE HAD BARRELS
Donkey kong spec
fathom bramble
if they were just straight up GP barrels
lone spear
u would want to like, have it be a debuff u put in a target
grave carbon
how do u access the kyveza fight
Delve in the new city
lone spear
and if u BTE them it blows up
tribal cosmos
Which does massive aoe dmg
lone spear
could be cool
tribal cosmos
And has cd but affected by cdr
fathom bramble
naw
tribal cosmos
Yaw
fathom bramble
mage had a spell like this
tribal cosmos
That sounds insane no
fathom bramble
and it was awful
dreamy bluff
Quick question with the Fatebound vanish rules in the pins.
In a scenario where i have:
15 seconds of AR
Ruthless is active
1 charge of Vanish
and Kill Spree is off cooldown
What would i press first?
fathom bramble
awful gameplay*
lone spear
prismatic crystal babyyyy
gaunt phoenix
Quick question with the Fatebound vanish rules in the pins.
In a scenario where...
ks
tribal cosmos
quaint mauve
Delve in the new city
ima one shot it rq
quaint mauve
show yall how its done
tribal cosmos
Our apm is just as high anyway
wintry solar
if you ask someone what outlaws key identity, its using guns
Multiple classes have the problem of different shade of the same thing no?
tender breach
@gaunt phoenix In M+, you should try to only send Deft Maneuvers at 1-2 CPs. This is mainly because SS can proc Unseen Blade at any time and you won't know it, and after tier Coup is stronger than before." means I bf on low cp?
hallow spoke
Ok but real talk boys, earlier question. Are we crafting gilded MH or Prayge in first myth clear for fist
wintry solar
I know DK was in DnD hell for the longest time
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> In M+, you should try to only send Deft Maneuvers at 1-2 ...
Yes
lone spear
Multiple classes have the problem of different shade of the same thing no?
i think so, but we have it rougher than most i think. like we dont even share anything with sub or ass really anyway
fathom bramble
Ok but real talk boys, earlier question. Are we crafting gilded MH or Prayge in ...
Just loot one from hardmode taz
100%
cinder relic
poisons, slice and dice, vanish
stiff hawk
Taz Hardmode is a thing for late this week i guess
tribal cosmos
Why do we not have a brawler class …?
hallow spoke
Just loot one from hardmode taz
what lvl are they dropping as tho
wintry solar
i think so, but we have it rougher than most i think. like we dont even share an...
I feel like WoW has been around long enough to shake off the dnd style of rogue
cinder relic
fury warrior?
hallow spoke
like 1/6 or
cinder relic
windwalker?
fathom bramble
1/6
tribal cosmos
Wind walker is staff
frail veldt
If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a ba...
is this real? lol
wintry solar
is this real? lol
You haven't seen it? It's the funniest thing ever
hallow spoke
ye 1/6 doesn't rly save crests tho ig
tribal cosmos
Yea but
Its not BRAWLER
Its wuxia martial arts
Someone that dash and punches same time and does some real heavy dmg
lone spear
like ff14 monk?
cinder relic
ur describing windwalker
lime lake
just play smf with fist weapons
tribal cosmos
lime lake
wintry solar
Fury is more angry
stiff hawk
Literally Mokn
lone spear
i understand the vision
wintry solar
He wants something more tactical (?) I can't think of the word
lone spear
but it is too close to monk for them to do
lime lake
i mean his first gif was of vi which is the opposite of tactical
wintry solar
Starts with a C
lone spear
he wants pig punches rather than many small punches
lime lake
Starts with a C
combat
tribal cosmos
Brawlers man
lime lake
frail veldt
You haven't seen it? It's the funniest thing ever
I havent but I kinda cant believe its real
tribal cosmos
Are we only getting one spec ? Like wtf
We need an entire class next expac
Did we get a class this expac at all ?
stiff hawk
Did we get a class this expac at all ?
Bro we got Evoker last expac
cinder relic
caring about balance is for noobs
hallow spoke
We need a Mech tank for fun
cinder relic
But we aren't really due for a new class either way, we just got evoker
tribal cosmos
Have you seen league of legends
hallow spoke
imagine running around as rumble
tribal cosmos
164 champions
hallow spoke
tanking shit
frail veldt
But we aren't really due for a new class either way, we just got evoker
how many xpacs before evoker was DH?
wintry solar
He wants something more tactical (?) I can't think of the word
Mathematical, refined
frail veldt
honestly hot take
but
I dont think 1 extra class
is gona make them any worse at balancing
lime lake
how many xpacs before evoker was DH?
legion>bfa>shadowlands>dragonflight
stiff hawk
ISnt it farfetched to compare Champions from LoL to a WoW class
frail veldt
ISnt it farfetched to compare Champions from LoL to a WoW class
very
tribal cosmos
Why where balance is way more crucial ?
Pvp balance is alot harder to balance then pve balance
stiff hawk
Bro is absolutely cooked
tribal cosmos
Pve balance is just dps numbers
wintry solar
Oh god no
tribal cosmos
Pvp is so much shit
wintry solar
And you want more shit
tribal cosmos
Move speed defense damage, timers
cinder relic
Its not about balance its about like, dev time
tribal cosmos
Tweaked by percentages every patch
rough vine
hello. i’m having trouble with the priority/rotation using KiR. is it reasonable to switch to HO build for this tier or is it suggested just to learn the KiR rotation?
cinder relic
how many xpacs before evoker was DH?
SL and BF in between
Do you understand how blizzard as a company works
grim spear
Do we have simulation data comparing all the classes’ tier sets now?
tribal cosmos
If i had 80 billion dollars i would make a new spec every month
stiff hawk
You wouldnt
grim spear
need to figure out a way to get the RL to give the set to me
tribal cosmos
Or at least every expac
cinder relic
Just beacuse the company of blizzard is worth 80 million doesn't mean the department of World of Warcraft has 80 billion dollars to spend on development
tribal cosmos
Maybe wow would be more popular if they focused on trying to make the game fun and enjoyable then pinching pennies
lone spear
sweet summer child doesnt understand publicly traded companies
wintry solar
They can't do that if they keep adding specs and classes
tribal cosmos
Their devs either died a few years ago or something
stiff hawk
Idk WoW is kinda Popular
cinder relic
I don't think adding new classes to the game is the only way to make the game more fun
fathom bramble
Spam adding classes would be a fast and easy way to ruin the game
wintry solar
Fr
stiff hawk
Spam adding classes would be a fast and easy way to ruin the game
REAL
tribal cosmos
You wouldnt care for a 4th rogue spec
cinder relic
Housing however, is something huge I'm excited for
fathom bramble
New classes have to be given far more care than a trivial league champ
wintry solar
I got dk and rogue and that's all I need
cinder relic
New specs =/= new classes
lone spear
i mean hero talents were meant to do that
tribal cosmos
Theres pages of balancing every 2 weeks
stiff hawk
And Hero Talents failed (atleast for rogue)
tribal cosmos
League is in a constantly molding shape of balance
cinder relic
Theres less that goes into designing a league champ than a wow class
cinder relic
I dn't think that's an insane statement
stiff hawk
cinder relic
Thats like, a fact lol
tribal cosmos
Not true at all when you fit in unique champions
hallow spoke
idk, if they add more specs/classes they then need to simplify the talent trees n shit
cinder relic
what
stiff hawk
Bro literally doesnt play WoW for long
tribal cosmos
A league champ has to fit into the game along 165 other champs
The splashes they make are insane
Especially since items are in the equation
Ranges
Move speed
cinder relic
..>?
tribal cosmos
Every small tweak in league cause massive reverbrations to rhe current meta
cinder relic
You know that a wow class has like, 30 abilities right
and a league champ has like, 4
tribal cosmos
You understand 90 of your skills are useless right
hallow spoke
items are more impactful in league usually
cinder relic
..?
tribal cosmos
Most classes are 3 buttons
stiff hawk
fathom bramble
Most league champs that they add also slot in cleanly with a roll other champs already fill
hallow spoke
changes*
stiff hawk
Yeah 3 Buttons
tribal cosmos
With binding pot and trinket to main ability
cinder relic
I feel like you genuinely have no idea how this game works at all
stiff hawk
with a lot of passived
fathom bramble
And do nothing to the wider meta
stiff hawk
that make it work
cinder relic
and its kind of annoying
stiff hawk
I feel like you genuinely have no idea how this game works at all
Yes it really feels like, i played LoL why cant WoW do that ????
tribal cosmos
@fathom bramble some champs have caused meta shifts
cinder relic
Nobody is talking about the meta
fathom bramble
Good thing i said most not all
proven ocean
You league players are clueless
stiff hawk
real
tribal cosmos
Eh every new champ in a certain role usually either destroy the concepts of the role or remake it
At least recently
wintry solar
He's part of the reason I don't want blizz copying ability ideas from league.
tribal cosmos
Every new champ recently has been cancer to the role
proven ocean
Ur cooked deadtube
4 days prog kyveza was wild maybe try playing less league confirmed??
tribal cosmos
lime lake
fathom bramble
This is almost never because the new champion is breaking down some wall and changing the game though
It’s just shit tuning
tribal cosmos
Ehhh lets look at recent champs
cinder relic
this character redefined how you play top lane (it has a 58% winrate)
wintry solar
Nerd
proven ocean
@late swallow Agree or?
cinder relic
tribal cosmos
I dunno when smolder came out i wanted to choke out dev
When ksante came out i also wanted to choke out dev
Ambessa also wanted to choke out that dev
Rell
jolly geyser
tribal cosmos
Want to destroy that dev
wintry solar
When a league player wakes up, they want to choke out a dev.
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean assa main
proven ocean
@bleak egret
tribal cosmos
Change the color of name please
proven ocean
Fuck
lime lake
rip zach
vivid vessel
Rip
proven ocean
Iphone sucks
tribal cosmos
@vivid vessel dont talk to lhim
proven ocean
Anyway
tribal cosmos
He is assa main
proven ocean
Zac i need ur help on something
I need to fix something i’ll ask u later
secret rogue sauce
wintry solar
We don't
fathom bramble
We already have void rogue
tribal cosmos
Do not say sub rogue
wintry solar
Sub rogue
wintry solar
Actually 1 and a half
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean mouse pic
wintry solar
With outlaw
tribal cosmos
Trying to cope
tribal cosmos
Mouse
proven ocean
No
tribal cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/everwinter-everwinter-time-rat-winter-rat-everwinter-gif-14549586450374078714
You
proven ocean
Roblox
fluid iron
proven ocean
Nice guess
stiff hawk
<:WeirdU:677954593954594836>
Send the meme
wintry solar
Neverwinter Nights went hard ngl
tribal cosmos
Big cappi
proven ocean
No no
proven ocean
?! Dont dream of helicopter cocks tho
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean love you
tribal cosmos
wintry solar
I think you are Solo
proven ocean
I think you are Solo too
tribal cosmos
Solo irl
vivid vessel
Ross
vivid vessel
Tonight
proven ocean
What do i do
wintry solar
I think you are, Solo.
tribal cosmos
vivid vessel
20h30
vivid vessel
We go ptr tazavesh
tribal cosmos
@vivid vessel 10 hour
proven ocean
Ok
vivid vessel
Ok?
frail veldt
They just got massive amounts of money from brontosaur
that goes back into the team that made that much money in the first place
proven ocean
Ok
frail veldt
the art team
vivid vessel
Good
vivid vessel
Have you tried it yet
frail veldt
balance isnt a revenue source
proven ocean
No
tribal cosmos
ART ?
vivid vessel
Ok that's fine
tribal cosmos
THEY COPY PASTED IT AND PAINTED BLACK
wintry solar
fART
tribal cosmos
proven ocean
Hard or?
frail veldt
THEY COPY PASTED IT AND PAINTED BLACK
and it made more money
tribal cosmos
They should do it again
frail veldt
how many people are resubbing cuz "next season is SO balanced!"
proven ocean
I think u just run cheat death or
frail veldt
They should do it again
they will
vivid vessel
Maybe
tribal cosmos
Ima buy it this time
vivid vessel
I wanna try cheat as well to see it I need elus
frail veldt
also
tribal cosmos
frail veldt
I dont think wows team is that large
its not an 80 billion dollar team
maintaining wow
lol
toxic laurel
can you talent out of cheat death if it's on CD ?
tribal cosmos
Prolly not
proven ocean
maintaining wow
Their maintenance is smaller than outlaw chat im not ex aggravating
finite arch
Dont think so
proven ocean
Wtf
frail veldt
Their maintenance is smaller than outlaw chat im not ex aggravating
potentially
tribal cosmos
Ex aggravagating
frail veldt
I dont actually know what their team structure is like
wintry solar
One of us should get hired on and report back
proven ocean
Gn cat guy
frail veldt
One of us should get hired on and report back
@vivid vessel go work for blizzard
unkempt ice
blizzard been going downhill since piratesoftware quit, he's held up the company single handedly
proven ocean
blizzard been going downhill since piratesoftware quit, he's held up the company...
Pirate software quit what?
Streaming?
wintry solar
blizzard been going downhill since piratesoftware quit, he's held up the company...
How'd you know? He never talks about it.
tribal cosmos
Pirate has the ego of olympus
unkempt ice
How'd you know? He never talks about it.
had to dig deep
frail veldt
Pirate software quit what?
blizzard
tribal cosmos
And the iq of a peanut
frail veldt
I thought he was fired though
wintry solar
The first 2nd generation blizzard employee
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean he never did that
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> he never did that
He did
frail veldt
Pirate is stupid for killing his teammates
he didnt even kill them
tribal cosmos
Stop spreading misinformation
proven ocean
Im not ragebaiting everyone talked about it
tribal cosmos
Hes a first second gen employee of blizzard
frail veldt
instead of just saying sorry
tribal cosmos
No you’re rage baiting
proven ocean
he just didnt try to help them
Thats the point
Thats why the entire guild got pissed off
frail veldt
I dont even think him living was wrong
frail veldt
it was the way he defended it
rare gulch
someone knows the time rwf starts today ?
wintry solar
Standing by is just as bad
vivid vessel
I think this guy is just getting hard skill issued by his brain
unkempt ice
there's a clip when he roasts somebody for pulling extra mobs in different mmo and tell them to be better than that, and in clip you could see him pulling them and he didnt backdown 😂
vivid vessel
someone knows the time rwf starts today ?
Starts in 3 days bro
proven ocean
I dont even think him living was wrong
Thing is everyone got mad at him so
tribal cosmos
Ashes of creation
vague cape
real talk, bte might be one of the best standalone abilities in the game
proven ocean
He was wrong for sure
frail veldt
Thing is everyone got mad at him so
cuz he literally cant say sorry
tribal cosmos
“ what i did was completely correct rhere “
“ im gonna look back and see who pulled it “
frail veldt
the meatcanyon video on him is hilarious
wintry solar
real talk, bte might be one of the best standalone abilities in the game
Why?
tribal cosmos
“ sees clip and refuses to accept it “
quaint mauve
I LOVE WHEN DELVE BOSSES RESET AT 10% BC I PRESS VANISH
proven ocean
cuz he literally cant say sorry
Ye i mean he has big ego true but
proven ocean
Im pretty sure that he could’ve helped
frail veldt
Im pretty sure that he could’ve helped
I mean he sucks at wow
proven ocean
HAHAHJSYKUDHBAIKUYFDHGIYAFGBVIFQU
Stop typing like that its cringe
tribal cosmos
Hey @proven ocean what could he have done bro
proven ocean
U sound like me rn
tribal cosmos
He had no mana
tribal cosmos
He pressed lvl 5 blizzard and wasted his entire resource bar
What could he have done bro
frail veldt
yeah he used a max rank blizzard
to try to slow the mobs
for his team
I mean
you cant be mad at someone for being bad
tribal cosmos
Frost nova is free btw
frail veldt
thats not the problem here
unkempt ice
"went oom" also keeps blinking to reset mana regen timer while he's furthest away and safe 😂
tribal cosmos
But dont worry
frail veldt
"went oom" also keeps blinking to reset mana regen timer while he's furthest awa...
again
you cant be mad at someone for being bad
wintry solar
you cant be mad at someone for being bad
I can. Its easy when they're like pirate.
frail veldt
unless they refuse to admit that they are
tribal cosmos
He had mana regen items in his hotbar btw
frail veldt
He had mana regen items in his hotbar btw
dont make me type it again
tribal cosmos
“ oh dude i panicked im so sorry thats on me “
unkempt ice
many ways to be right while doing wrong 😂
frail veldt
would have saved his career
tribal cosmos
Literally over
proven ocean
"went oom" also keeps blinking to reset mana regen timer while he's furthest awa...
He couldve used blizzard
frail veldt
instead he has the emotional intelligence of a toddler
vague cape
if you give bte to another class it's entirely broken
unkempt ice
i dont think his career needs saving, dudes prob more popular than ever 🤣
proven ocean
He killed everyone by blinking instead of slowing them and fixing the problem
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean no he couldnt hes a 1st gen second gen employee of blizzard
wintry solar
20% crit buff perma uptime
That's pretty good
proven ocean
Tube guy idk wtf ur talking about
tribal cosmos
Yea rage baiter
quaint mauve
Stop typing like that its cringe
i apologized :(
tribal cosmos
Hes a first gen second gen employee
proven ocean
i apologized :(
U sound like me…
tribal cosmos
He didnt get in with nepotism at the bottom rung of dev
proven ocean
Hes a first gen second gen employee
No idea what that means
Is that a league thing?
quaint mauve
my bran was alive too
proven ocean
U realize he blinked
quaint mauve
wtf is that
finite arch
He loves futa cocks
proven ocean
And never blizzarded?
proven ocean
Thats big 🧢
proven ocean
Entire community calling him r1 roach
tribal cosmos
Hes completely in the right
proven ocean
And ur here reverse ragebaiting
tribal cosmos
quaint mauve
what r we talking abt
wintry solar
what r we talking abt
Pirate software being bad
finite arch
He was labelled as a sweat in the guild lol which puts him in the same league as the classic andys like ahmpy
proven ocean
Entire community calling him r1 roach
Do i trust a league player or the entire community of hardcore classic?
tribal cosmos
Dont mind me im rage baiting the rage bait
finite arch
you would think he would know how to downrank a blizzard
proven ocean
Pirate software being bad
He was tho so all good
quaint mauve
Pirate software being bad
oh that
wintry solar
Yeah I'm being for real
wintry solar
We all know what happened
quaint mauve
i loved when he said he had no mana when he uhhh pressed frost shield over and over
proven ocean
Entire m+ team died and he couldn’t blizzard cuz he didnt want to and blinked away
finite arch
never pressed it he maxed ranked it and went oom
tribal cosmos
And mana regen
quaint mauve
instead of r1 blizzard
finite arch
he had the mana regen cloak too
proven ocean
Imr
tribal cosmos
He also had frost nova
proven ocean
Ikr
proven ocean
He also had frost nova
Frost shield and cant blizzard
quaint mauve
idk how u can be so useless inside classic
proven ocean
Did u ever play clsssic?
tribal cosmos
Imagine btw
proven ocean
Deadtube
quaint mauve
that game is so eazy for even the most handless
proven ocean
Idk why ur defending him like hes ur child or something
tribal cosmos
Ugh excuse me
proven ocean
Cuz he clearly killed his group
tribal cosmos
Pirate software used to be a dev in blizzard
So watch whatbyou say
Hes obviously smarter rhen all of us here
proven ocean
Cuz he clearly killed his group
Ur the only one who says otherwise
tribal cosmos
He used to work at blizzard
quaint mauve
zeross why r u falling for such obv rage bait
tribal cosmos
proven ocean
Im not mad tho
tribal cosmos
Hes trying to reverse the reverse ragebait
quaint mauve
its like so obv hes being satire
finite arch
Couldnt press the spell named after the company
proven ocean
Nah
proven ocean
He got kicked out of the guild
tribal cosmos
No he left
finite arch
He wasnt even a dev which is the funny part
proven ocean
No wonder he was a big roach
proven ocean
No he left
No he got kicked.
tribal cosmos
Apparently his lead qa watched him go on reddit entire day
No he left @proven ocean
proven ocean
He was a qa tester
Not true
quaint mauve
playing the easiest class on classic too
tribal cosmos
He said he was too good
unkempt ice
He wasnt even a dev which is the funny part
thats not surprising if you've seen some of his code 😂
finite arch
Bro got an fbi challenge coin hes him
wintry solar
Bro got an fbi challenge coin hes him
Everyone's got one of those
quaint mauve
guys
wintry solar
Average LoL main
tribal cosmos
Healer
wintry solar
Healer
finite arch
Healer 100%
tribal cosmos
How you gonna survive without potions
proven ocean
Average LoL main
Chat he was a dev (he wasn’t) chat he didnt kill the group (he did)
quaint mauve
How you gonna survive without potions
;p
unkempt ice
thor likes to use his hammer?
wintry solar
Chat he was a dev (he wasn’t) chat he didnt kill the group (he did)
You think he was one of the problem employees?
proven ocean
You think he was one of the problem employees?
He faked him being in blizzard
tribal cosmos
His old qa lead came out and bashed him
Said he scrolled reddit all day
And didnt work
Also said he rubbed his snot on the walls of his room
Like a true wow gamer
proven ocean
League guy
wintry solar
Also said he rubbed his snot on the walls of his room
His former roommate said that
finite arch
I mean what can we say hes incredibly cultured he loves futa cocks.
wintry solar
I mean what can we say hes incredibly cultured he loves futa cocks.
Weirdo
That's your second time bringing that up
wintry solar
I doubt he pays his mods
tribal cosmos
He does
wintry solar
I don't believe it
wintry solar
Means nothing
wintry solar
I could pay my buddy $50 bucks to say the same thing
tribal cosmos
Lolol
wintry solar
I'm gonna do that right now actually
tribal cosmos
-50 bucks
wintry solar
He'll do it for cheaper
wintry solar
That mfer would do it for a cheeseburger
hollow creek
How many % is the 2 set and 4 set
wintry solar
I bought a carry off of him for a case of beer
tribal cosmos
10-40%
wintry solar
Staples in the fuckin brainnnnnn
hollow creek
Is it worth to break Old 4 pcs with 2 set or should you wait for 4
frail veldt
Is it worth to break Old 4 pcs with 2 set or should you wait for 4
2+2 should beat old 4 yeah
but sim yourself
toxic laurel
can't wait to get tier piece from vault tomorrow
gaunt phoenix
hmm
torpid fiber
true!!! we need buffs!!
finite arch
Why is arms in outlaw XD
cinder relic
cuz arms is very beans
frail adder
im a new outlaw main and every tier list is making me regret my decision xD
frail adder
It does play fun, but why do we have a target cap when so many classes dont
gaunt phoenix
Playing the perceived shit spec is fun until you dont get invited
finite arch
Just host your own keys kekw
torpid fiber
im a new outlaw main and every tier list is making me regret my decision xD
real talk outlaw probably isn't actually as bad as on that tier list
cinder relic
If you make friends you can skip the entire inviting process :^)
finite arch
If you make friends you can skip the entire inviting process :^)
???
Does anyone know what this dude is talking about?
What is a friend?
frail adder
I told my guild i am gonna play outlaw and they said ew
vivid vessel
If you make friends you can skip the entire inviting process :^)
until you feel like you are griefing them
which was me in s1
i played with friends
but we did high keys
toxic laurel
until you feel like you are griefing them
THIS
vivid vessel
its worse than raid let me tell you that
wintry solar
I'd rather lose with friends than win with pugs
cinder relic
My friends get to play with me, why would I feel bad for them
vivid vessel
Ye cause you do weeklies tho
tribal cosmos
Id rather win with pugs then lose with friends
cinder relic
vivid vessel
Like anytime you do hard content, no matter the level it's wt
Just like what challenges you
And you are playing a spec that is bad
frail adder
What are the chances outlaw actually gets buffed and becomes atleast B tier
vivid vessel
You are griefing your friends
tribal cosmos
So around 22-23 you dont play outlaw i see
cinder relic
What are the chances outlaw actually gets buffed and becomes atleast B tier
Likely
vivid vessel
its simialr to how it is every tier
tribal cosmos
Or PLAY MAGE AND ALWAYS BE FOTM
cinder relic
You literally never see a single thing positive ever happening to this spec ever
tribal cosmos
whens the last time mage has been bad in both m+ and raid ?
frail adder
sorry what is fotm
wintry solar
Right?
cinder relic
flavor of the month
frail adder
Ahhh i see
vivid vessel
outlaw litteraly have gotten nerfed in current state guy
cinder relic
If you want to just play "The best DPS" you should go play assassination rogue, or frost DK
vivid vessel
you know this tho
cinder relic
Or like, balance druid/mage
tribal cosmos
@cinder relic youre old when was last time mage was bad in both content
Also tell nep hi for me
tight rose
If you want to just play "The best DPS" you should go play assassination rogue, ...
sin rogue is zzz thats the problem
tribal cosmos
Its complicated in aoe
toxic laurel
waiting for energy has to be the worst feeling in life
tribal cosmos
Yo i legit dont remember
tight rose
its not fun in aoe neither
tribal cosmos
Last time mage was bad wtf
wintry solar
Before wrath I think
wintry solar
Mage wasn't bad was it?
cinder relic
Idk abt key meta
tribal cosmos
Nathria was disc priest tier and paladin
wintry solar
Oh for raid
tribal cosmos
All i rmemebr
Paladin was stacked
I remember holy paladin would go venthyr
And just perma dps
It was that good
tribal cosmos
Disc priest could skip entire mechanics with mass barrier
cinder relic
But yeah if you are just wanting to be the best spec in keys n shit go play assa, or go play FDK, or try balance/mage
wintry solar
I think itbwas preach idr
tribal cosmos
Mage probably
cinder relic
Outlaw is gonna do its outlaw thing in low keys still tho so
Unless ur mega pushing keys Outlaws strengths still exist, even if it'll fall off on the exteme high end
tribal cosmos
If bf was uncapped
cinder relic
It'll also be sleeper decent in raid, as per usual, might struggle on the later bosses this tier tho cuz damage amps
tribal cosmos
Outlaw op
vivid vessel
the last time mage was bad in keys was s1 tww
tribal cosmos
Were they bad ? Thought arcane funnel was op
vivid vessel
you can see it here
vague cape
the last time mage was bad in keys was s1 tww
mass barrier xdddd
random stirrup
Chinese were still playing mage in top keys
random stirrup
vague cape
since clearly mage didn't have enough defensive buttons, they needed one for the party too
tribal cosmos
HAHAHAHA
vague cape
like I get blizz wanna add cool impactful abilities that make a real difference
tribal cosmos
Crazy how mage has more survivability then a tank
vivid vessel
since i started the game in sl
warm remnant
i think s2 of sl was pretty bad aswell
worldly shale
Wait what was the exploit
vague cape
but like how tf can they justify mage utility when warlock, hunter and warrior exist in the same reality
vague cape
Wait what was the exploit
spamming pvp wq on alts, it gave rep
cinder relic
Mage is a 3 dps spec that tends to be tuned decently high
fathom bramble
Wait what was the exploit
1 weekly quest was giving generic rep instead of warbound rep so you could repeat it on as many characters as you had
cinder relic
but like how tf can they justify mage utility when warlock, hunter and warrior e...
Wut
worldly shale
1 weekly quest was giving generic rep instead of warbound rep so you could repea...
Lmao sweaty asses
tribal cosmos
Rogue is a 3 dps spec that tends to be tuned rather middle of the pack
vivid vessel
i think s2 of sl was pretty bad aswell
i think you mean s3
wintry solar
but like how tf can they justify mage utility when warlock, hunter and warrior e...
When they announced that a new class was getting a brez I was fully expecting mage to get it. Color me shocked when pally got it.
vivid vessel
cause tats s2
cinder relic
Okay but different classes are meant to be good in different things
warlock has the literal, not close, best raid utility in the game
Literally SS+ tier
random stirrup
Mage the 3 dps class with the best raid buffs/utility of all and also conveniently always has a spec that is tuned very strong and is defensively very strong (for keys)
cinder relic
There is nothing even close in that is as required as warlock raid utility
vague cape
eh, its mandatory on some fights but not all
haughty wigeon
haughty wigeon
warlock has the best raid utilit
cinder relic
Soulstone, Gate, Summons, and healthstones are literally required
cinder relic
there will never, ever be a raid tier you play 0 warlocks
wintry solar
but im bias af
Same.
Mage has been S tier since TBC in all content and no data will tell me otherwise.
haughty wigeon
soulstones
cinder relic
Its physically impossible
vague cape
tbf with you I was mainly talking m+ utility
vivid vessel
well ye
vivid vessel
how do you get to raid without a wl
haughty wigeon
there was a time
cinder relic
Okay but you should understand that the game is designed for all PVE content, not "JUST M+ and JUST Raid"
tribal cosmos
No
vague cape
and hunter while mark is meh tends to be great at doing mechanics
tribal cosmos
I afk till they invite a warlock
cinder relic
So yes, mage utility is insane in keys, its less insane in raid
and warlock utility in keys sucks
But in raid its the best by far
random stirrup
and yet mage often has multiple of due to other aspects of their toolkit
Like gallywix
haughty wigeon
and when i say its utility was good i ment is overwhelming sdamage and having 78618761781 inffernals out at one time
vague cape
thing is its clearly utility imbalance if lock has to do illegal amounts of dmg to see play
vivid vessel
With its infinite utility
haughty wigeon
rogue used to have a niche
vivid vessel
In both m+ and raid
vague cape
rogues in a really wierd spot, feels like our utility got power crept over the years
tribal cosmos
Ok if atrophic gives crit % we are back baby
vivid vessel
What did sp do
vague cape
st stops are no longer as rare as they used to be
vivid vessel
Don't tell me shroud
haughty wigeon
shroud
vivid vessel
That's so stupid
haughty wigeon
:)
vivid vessel
Ye
tribal cosmos
Pi
vivid vessel
I mean
It was never an utility people cared about tho
Shroud is used when you have one
vague cape
they keep denying shroud season after season, I think they might consider a mistake lowkey
vivid vessel
Sometimes
haughty wigeon
and yet
alpine bough
do we know what trinket is stronger between astral antenna and cosmic hunt ?
vivid vessel
Maybe
cinder relic
Deciding that every single monster in the game gets truesight is probably the most annoying thing in the game
fathom bramble
a lot of people saw it as outright mandatory even though imo it wasn't
vague cape
shroud back in the day was insane
fathom bramble
we just had monster DPS
cinder relic
SHroud was what mindsoothe is 
vivid vessel
I think shroud is copium because you can skip everything with meld anyway
tribal cosmos
@cinder relic but it makes rogue requiredddddds
haughty wigeon
they should nerf meld
vivid vessel
Also shroud is better than mindsoothe
fathom bramble
and people like to point and scream at utility when it is just dps making you good every time
tribal cosmos
Oh wait
tribal cosmos
Invis pots
vivid vessel
People just don't know it
wintry solar
they should nerf meld
How do you nerf meld without deleting it
random stirrup
Deciding that every single monster in the game gets truesight is probably the mo...
My group walking into m0 hoa after playing SL, calling for shroud after halkias, I turn it on and there are 18 truesight mobs on my screen
haughty wigeon
How do you nerf meld without deleting it
it doesnt make you drop combat just threat
tribal cosmos
@wintry solar by making it linked to your dps
fathom bramble
How do you nerf meld without deleting it
share a CD with dps pots
wintry solar
racial talent tree
Then it's not a racial
vague cape
Warr same as lock<:omegalul:585734084777476096>
as in their utility is a lot better in raid than m+
wintry solar
it doesnt make you drop combat just threat
That's nice
haughty wigeon
i mean remember
tribal cosmos
Shadowmeld da dmg
haughty wigeon
the blood elf racial was absolutely gutted
taken out back
and shot in the back of the head
surely they can do the same to meld
vivid vessel
can we delete all racials
haughty wigeon
and stoneskin
tribal cosmos
What blood elf racial
tribal cosmos
Shit dont exist anymore
vivid vessel
or
vague cape
Then it's not a racial
call it what you will, I just dont want to stare at maghar or dwarf or tauren forever
fathom bramble
true
wintry solar
I remember that. Wotf had a duration as well
random stirrup
I would like racials gone
proven ocean
as in their utility is a lot better in raid than m+
If u weight it correctly i say no
haughty wigeon
delete racials
random stirrup
Dwarf so ugly
haughty wigeon
OH
vague cape
If u weight it correctly i say no
go on
proven ocean
Lock is way more beneficial in raid than warrior is in both m+ and raid
haughty wigeon
where they said racials will be deleted
vivid vessel
or make that toy 100% uptime
proven ocean
And warrior is way more useful in m+ than in raid
vivid vessel
how did they just give that toy 50% uptime
haughty wigeon
and replaced by a racial talent tree
tribal cosmos
BLOOD ELF STONKS RISING
vivid vessel
just to be annoying
wintry solar
where they said racials will be deleted
You should know better by now
proven ocean
And warrior is way more useful in m+ than in raid
Phys comp ofc
vivid vessel
these devs
cinder relic
My group walking into m0 hoa after playing SL, calling for shroud after halkias,...
Dude my raid asks for shroud literally every expac launch and its like
vague cape
Lock is way more beneficial in raid than warrior is in both m+ and raid
I think warr utility might be a bit better than lock in keys? tbf idk tho, feels like they mess with warr class tree every patch
proven ocean
I think warr utility might be a bit better than lock in keys? tbf idk tho, feels...
Both have almost no noticeable utility
vivid vessel
you can shroud anything
proven ocean
In m+
vivid vessel
with distract
fathom bramble
I'm glad people don't really do shroud skips anymore
haughty wigeon
to be fair guys
vivid vessel
its better than mind soothe
fathom bramble
compared to back when shroud was big
random stirrup
Distract works sometimes
fathom bramble
people just fucked them up in pugs and it always cost more time than it ever hoped to gain
tribal cosmos
If you fucked up a pack during shroud skip it was gg
haughty wigeon
you and zeross are in a different world compared to most of the player base
but frnakly
proven ocean
its better than mind soothe
Ye shroud is better but soothe is sometimes useful too
haughty wigeon
im glad cringe shroud skips are gone
to bad it was replaced
by cringe vdh meld skips
vivid vessel
Ye
fathom bramble
yeah...
haughty wigeon
fathom bramble
until one of us dies
proven ocean
by cringe vdh meld skips
People got better
Thats why
More minmaxy
More creative
haughty wigeon
ye ye
vivid vessel
were does it say racials deleted
tribal cosmos
Spellbreaker ?
lime lake
mignight
fathom bramble
no way spellbreaker wouldn't have a tank spec
tribal cosmos
A melee class wtf