#outlaw
late swallow
lone spear
blade rush is in need of similar attention, at least making it a builder or spender would be nice so it can affect rotation
wintry solar
Something else besides crackshot would be nice. Idk how yall like playing something for so long lol
late swallow
blade rush is in need of similar attention, at least making it a builder or spen...
yeah blade runner not interacting at all with restless
is uhhhhhh
contributing to the flow I mean
late swallow
Something else besides crackshot would be nice. Idk how yall like playing someth...
it's the most unique loop in the game
lone spear
Something else besides crackshot would be nice. Idk how yall like playing someth...
its fun, and its kind of just outlaws identity now
late swallow
literally every other class is basically big cds ---> filler ----> big cds repeat
lone spear
its like asking a frost mage how they can play thermal void all this time
shruge it just is the spec
now does that mean it should be higher in tree/baseline? maybe
rapid tiger
@gaunt phoenix why are you guys not forcing lucky coin on opener in the sims?
torpid fiber
Something else besides crackshot would be nice. Idk how yall like playing someth...
it's kinda just how it is, change is scary
torpid fiber
<@921608341048930304> why are you guys not forcing lucky coin on opener in the s...
afaik outlaw straight up can't
rapid tiger
you can, just need to use an early vanish
lone spear
i recall we do open with GS now to make sure the edge case doesnt bug
but i think its so high chance to insta proc it doesnt matter
or rather its not worth using a cracksho*t window inefficently
sullen wyvern
Something else besides crackshot would be nice. Idk how yall like playing someth...
What I would change rather than crackshot is how you build towards it, specially as KiR
Pressing SS is no fun
fathom bramble
swap audacity and hidden opp in the tree
it makes more sense
and would let you have an actual stealth generator on kir
wintry solar
SS being as unawarding as it is now should be grounds for reprimand
fathom bramble
the fact that audacity is legit a damage loss until you get to hidden opportunity is janky and not how trees should be structured
lone spear
yuh
sullen wyvern
In my || stupid|| opinion, unironically, way you could make SS interesting is buffing/reworking Triple Threat somehow
lime lake
that is pretty crazy
fathom bramble
I mean TT should be a general generator buff of some kind
and right next to it should be HO for a stealth only generator buff
sullen wyvern
does TT even generate cp at all?
fathom bramble
audacity might need some changes with it being a capstone, but that's a tuning problem
rapid tiger
or rather its not worth using a cracksho*t window inefficently
just a quick check https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQv4sQwzPPy1H4RadQNrBS - imo it makes it 100 times less frustrating if you get unlucky and don't proc it naturally
fathom bramble
does TT even generate cp at all?
no
sullen wyvern
lmao
wintry solar
Unnerf opp proc, we don't have the tier anymore
tribal cosmos
EY
sullen wyvern
working as intended
lone spear
just a quick check https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQv4sQwzPPy1H4RadQNrBS...
interesting, the difference in damage is low, but it might lower variance
will leave it to solo to disect
rapid tiger
it would feel like shit to always go to 6 naturally and then not proc it, actually a damage gain in mental stability
torpid fiber
it's a dps gain which is enough to me that I feel like we'd need a reason to not do it
tribal cosmos
already done
lone spear
it's a dps gain which is enough to me that I feel like we'd need a reason to not...
yea, and i aint smart enough to think of a reason. so we shall wait for john solo
fathom bramble
forcing it in this way doesn't seem to have a meaningful effect on variance
but it must be a mental stability gain if you track lucky coin
and it does appear to be a damage gain regardless so that's cool
bit of a strange opener though idk if people will like it
you just scrub an entire 6 seconds of subterfuge for the lucky coin
sullen wyvern
how do we track lucky coin?
Is there a Wa or something for it?
I didnt think we had to worry tracking it
fathom bramble
it is a buff on your character and can be tracked normally
sullen wyvern
like we have no control over it
fathom bramble
most people don't bother since it barely matters
sullen wyvern
what's the gain for tracking it if I want to min max it?
rapid tiger
I would gladly take a wasted subterfuge over a lucky coin proc 2 min in the fight 
fathom bramble
only thing you can really do with it is pull early in dungeons where you don't even play fatebound anyway
sullen wyvern
besides dmg of course
torpid fiber
It's going to matter more with tier kinda, surely
fathom bramble
what's the gain for tracking it if I want to min max it?
nothing in raid encounters
fathom bramble
It's going to matter more with tier kinda, surely
I mean nothing about whether it is active or not actually changes your decision making
in raid
torpid fiber
It doesn't but it's going to feel way better
lime lake
ye you just track it to yell at your tank and pull shit for them
fathom bramble
other than trying to force it with this alternate opener
lime lake
in keys
torpid fiber
but yeah tracking it is kinda fake
rapid tiger
if you are tracking it you might get a situation once in 100 pulls that you are at 5 stacks of a coin and you can press GS to proc a lucky coin/the damage from already having it
fathom bramble
bundling all 3 of these buttons into a macro is probably the least annoying way to execute it
rapid tiger
and 100 might be too generous
fathom bramble
or 4 with pot
rapid tiger
oh ye I just noticed, its a lucky coin literally on pull with first finisher 
fathom bramble
literally 100% uptime
by just killing your first subterfuge with an instant vanish
rapid tiger
actually not that punishing since if you do the subterfuge you are wasting vanish cdr anyway
torpid fiber
That's a good point
rapid tiger
so the lost subterfuge you get back in a vanish (or most of it)
torpid fiber
It's probably a lot worse in keys to do this then
rapid tiger
I think the lucky coin would have an even higher value in keys
fathom bramble
could let you force it whenever you lose it
as long as vanish is up
but you also get it naturally so fast still
I assumed 3 offgcd instant skills in the same macro would just cast in order and work
but that is apparently not true
torpid fiber
I think the lucky coin would have an even higher value in keys
You're way more likely to be in a spot where you don't have coin and don't have two vanish charges though
rapid tiger
You're way more likely to be in a spot where you don't have coin and don't have ...
ideally you wouldn't drop it though, 15 sec is long enough
torpid fiber
That's ideal but also we all know that isn't happening for the average player 😛
frank finch
what are we cooking here?
rapid tiger
also don't you play trickster in keys anyway, so less of a problem I guess
lime lake
what are we cooking here?
fathom bramble
cooking up a really annoying opener
torpid fiber
The number is green so it's allowed
fathom bramble
that involves having vanish on your stealth bar
torpid fiber
Vanish isn't on my bar that gets replaced by my stealth bar anyways
late swallow
Vanish isn't on my bar that gets replaced by my stealth bar anyways
yep same here
i see you've also got some pretty boy swag 
frank finch
that involves having vanish on your stealth bar
atleast .5% increase and ill take it
torpid fiber
0.3
frail veldt
that involves having vanish on your stealth bar
Or off your stealth bar
frank finch
torpid fiber
I have vanish on shift+pistol shot
fathom bramble
Is 1 a different ability while stealthed
yes
frail veldt
Mine is on shift cheap shot technically
torpid fiber
You can just have two vanish binds, no?
frail veldt
Wait what's the context though why do we want to vanish while in stealth?
torpid fiber
Wait what's the context though why do we want to vanish while in stealth?
Force lucky coin in opener
frank finch
o.o
fathom bramble
just a quick check https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQv4sQwzPPy1H4RadQNrBS...
this
fathom bramble
it doesn't
frail veldt
Dang
atomic bolt
Has anyone else noticed lag when leaving combat?
worn sparrow
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solemn violet
We did it fam
late swallow
baller
wintry solar
If you get 69.69% you won pretty much
wintry solar
I think I'm going to ruin my night and lurk the forums
lime lake
tribal cosmos
which wa is that
frank finch
iv gone like multiple times without ever seeing these things
tribal cosmos
low rng ig
wintry solar
The forums suck in a not even rage bait kind of way
torpid fiber
yeah it's just nonsense don't bother with official forums
wintry solar
Normally someone would say stupid shit and it'd get me riled up but everyone is complaining about bugs and arguing about random shit in topics
lime lake
i can say stupid shit here if you want
wintry solar
i can say stupid shit here if you want
Go for it
lime lake
could go read the fdk channel thats probably funny
wintry solar
could go read the fdk channel thats probably funny
Went their
There
They didn't care about nerfs
wintry solar
That's what I'm talking about
fathom bramble
combat was more fun before all this gun stuff. We need to go back to be swordmasters instead of 'pirates' or whatever vague thing blizzard wants outlaw to be
torpid fiber
We should go back to combo points being tied to targets not us
fathom bramble
Deft now reads "generates 1 combo point on each target struck"
wintry solar
Bring tbc combat back in its entirety
dawn talon
Deft now reads "generates 1 combo point on each target struck"
insanely good ragebait
reading this pissed me off instantly imagining it
fathom bramble
outlaw should be evoker range pistol spec
imagine how cool the hero talent between the 2 specs could be if this was just a 4th rogue spec
sudden fulcrum
Overwatch?!? p[eople still play that?
lime lake
nope
sudden fulcrum
jokes aside it seems like they added some cool stuff since the last time i played
wintry solar
Everything post WoD we rogues hate
frail veldt
welp\
still fell through teh ship on dawnbreaker
great fucking work blizz
surpassing even my lowest of expectations
wintry solar
They could literally copy pasta cata / wod design and say we aren’t able to be played for 3 months and locked like a hidden character on mortal kombat while they un eff us and I’d be more than happy for it.
Bring back fat backstabs and eviscerates with hard 1 min dance and nasty FW.
Bring back hard envenom with fat 5 stacker deadly poison to make it more filthy instead of hobo poison they have.
Bring back nasty red buff , filthy killing spree, and hard hitting ruthlessness of a combat rogue. No more pistol bing bing wahoo mario collecting a coin noises.
Not lottery reprimand, no more gimmicks, no more dance donkey nonsense building like ww hit combo.
Return rogues to being rogues pre legion
fathom bramble
I would belive that this was just a wow forum post
torpid fiber
still fell through teh ship on dawnbreaker
I fell through the ship in the m0 I did the other day but landed on the plank sticking out the front lmfao
wintry solar
I would belive that this was just a wow forum post
It is. I was thinking of taking credit but no it's a forum post.
tight kernel
Anyone know what bosses will be cleave for MO?
Cleave as in 3+ targets
Also @gaunt phoenix
"Fatebound loses a lot of ST/priority damage in AoE, namely because the :talent_delivereddoom: Delivered Doom talent turns itself off at 5 targets. So while Fatebound is possibly considerable in keys, it's not like you will continue to do ~10% more ST throughout the entire key."
This means we can technically roll 2p FB and it will be OK up until 4 targets?
lime lake
Anyone know what bosses will be cleave for MO?
every single boss you can pull trash onto
tight kernel
Raid
tight kernel
ye
lime lake
im too tired
fathom bramble
This means we can technically roll 2p FB and it will be OK up until 4 targets?
the loss is gradual not instant at 5 targets
ecah target makes you just a little bit worse
lime lake
most bosses have some type of cleave; first boss and fractillus are the only real st fights
tight kernel
Ah, just trying to see what I will use for raid. If anything over 2 targets is a loss over trickers then it means most of the raid will be a Trickers build
fathom bramble
this talent while not mentioned in your quote is also playing a part in fatebound being worse in aoe than st
tight kernel
Damn, bummer FB has such potentiel but seems like only a couple bosses will run it. Rest is another Trickers tier
fathom bramble
some fights might not have enough cleave for FB to lose still
lime lake
yeah stuff like loomithar might still be fb
tight kernel
This is what Guy has
lime lake
even though its not technically st
fathom bramble
This is what Guy has
looks reasonable to me
tight kernel
Also do we know if he is basing this from Heroic? Probably right? Since not much mythic testing was done
fathom bramble
we don't really know what add uptime will look like on some fights though so
some of it might be wrong
tight kernel
right, thats fair
torpid fiber
did u forget to grab an orb
tight kernel
Soulhunters is prob a skip till gear kind of boss lol
wintry solar
I haven't seen any prot warriors lately. How are they doing?
lime lake
they doing pwar stuff
lime lake
true
late swallow
10 day ban lelz
fathom bramble
surely that's not enough for a ban
sudden fulcrum
it's joever
fathom bramble
considering how easy it would be to abuse this by accident I'm surprised anyone is banned at all
this is just doing a relatively normal weekly several times
lime lake
i mean some people did it to get all the way to renown 18
those are the type of people getting banned
not people who did it a couple extra times on alts
frank finch
iassume its the 18 renown ppl that got benned
fathom bramble
well renown 18 is like 90 characters
frank finch
or like 13 + w/e number they picked
fathom bramble
I guess those are probably abusers
random stirrup
supposedly people are saying they were even renown 9 or 10 and got hit
lime lake
late swallow
oops haha I accidentally made 13 extra alts and did the quests on them
frank finch
day 1
random stirrup
i did do the 2 repeatable wqs some 5 or 6 times
fathom bramble
I did some of the WQs twice
if people abused so little they were at 10 then definitely there should be no ban on them
late swallow
I did some of the WQs twice
reported
sorry man I hate to do it, but I don't make the rules
fathom bramble
I assume(hope) they are doing some slightly robust checking
wintry solar
I did some of the WQs twice
I got to 12 and idk how. It's so over for me
novel socket
I did some of the WQs twice
I mean if you didn't do the wq 100 times
fathom bramble
playing the game normally on both my characters seems like the correct way to not be banned
late swallow
smh outlaw players and abusing bugs
s1 outlaw bug was goated
novel socket
playing the game normally on both my characters seems like the correct way to no...
100% ban. You actually played the game
frank finch
i did the pvp quest 2 extra times , i did wq's on alts for rep andi turbo farmed flickergates
i might get clapped
lime lake
its joever
cinder relic
I dont think they banned people for doing it once or twice lol
fathom bramble
if your banned at 9 renown then you have to have barely done it
frank finch
im 10
fathom bramble
unless you skipped all the normal rep gains and went straight to 9 on abuse
which seems really strange
lime lake
lmao loser
frank finch
dmf buff
lime lake
yeah doing everything with dmf buff gets you to 8-9 pretty easily
wintry solar
Where can I see HO vs Kir patchwerk? Or does anyone know the difference offhand?
random stirrup
you can be renown 9 0 exploits
frank finch
rookery quest aswell
cinder relic
No damn time
craggy barn
is there a chinese chat thing for kyvessa fight
wintry solar
Nvm I got it
craggy barn
i needa chuck it at someone
craggy barn
im at 8 renown
minimal DMF usage
all quests + sidequests + books + 2 rounds of wqs
and a bunch of rares
tender wedge
Ye
frank finch
well i would of been logged off if i were got
unless theres another wave im good i tink
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late swallow
well i would of been logged off if i were got
near rock
this talent while not mentioned in your quote is also playing a part in fateboun...
am I misreading this? How is this making it worse in aoe over st. If you crit dispatch for 1 mllion, you do 300k to 2 extra mobs so 1.6k dmg total. And if there are no nearby enemies you do 1mil + 300k so 1.3k total
fathom bramble
am I misreading this? How is this making it worse in aoe over st. If you crit di...
because it is not copied by BF so it becomes an ever decreasing % of your damage as the target count goes up
lime lake
oh bf too true
fathom bramble
so when that 1mil dispatch is doing 4.15mil total damage with BF that 600k is 'worse' in aoe than the 300k it does in st
wintry solar
so when that 1mil dispatch is doing 4.15mil total damage with BF that 600k is 'w...
I have a crazy wild take
An unironic one
An actual not meme take
fathom bramble
is it that fate intertwined should be uncapped?
wintry solar
KS should be prio
That's a good one too
That's my second wild take
I was working on my rogue rage bait post but the convo changed
Woe
fair oak
wintry solar
do we get bandits guile back in midnight
Unironically a better capstone than gsw
lone spear
do we get bandits guile back in midnight
only if we also get anticipation
lime socket
only if we also get anticipation
its on the sub tree kinda....
lone spear
they dont deserve it 
midnight granite
is outlaw tier ass or what
midnight granite
is there a % gain for st fatebound tier?
lone spear
frank finch
lone spear
ofc subject to change
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frail veldt
BLIZZARD?
I thought they were
IMPROVING
visual
clarity
they make a new dungeon and they outline aoes like this?
wintry solar
I like the "fuck you" mentality they got going on this season lol
frigid pelican
How do you get the nightfall cudgel at 691?
wintry solar
Wth is that?
frail veldt
How do you get the nightfall cudgel at 691?
check pins
frigid pelican
I see Two options but I don’t know the source of the higher level one just the one from the vendor that maxes out at 679
gaunt phoenix
just a quick check https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQv4sQwzPPy1H4RadQNrBS...
have you tested it? it doesnt seem to work
i can't seem to vanish > bte at 5 coins and it goes directly to 7
side note, i just found the weirdest bug, if you open with
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
You get 6 coins instead of 5
cinder relic
Shadowland was great
gaunt phoenix
i hate this
finite arch
it was
gaunt phoenix
slands outlaw was really good
frail veldt
I see Two options but I don’t know the source of the higher level one just the o...
it comes from a random drop
from the satchel
wintry solar
I've never seen anyone else but me use that title
frail veldt
that you get from the weekly
wintry solar
I've never seen anyone else but me use that title
I also only use it on my rogue
lone spear
side note, i just found the weirdest bug, if you open with
```/cancelaura Stealt...
is there any delay on this?
frail veldt
side note, i just found the weirdest bug, if you open with
```/cancelaura Stealt...
LOL
rapid tiger
have you tested it? it doesnt seem to work
I haven't on ptr, but in terms of like buffs applied it seemed to work on live, I can try tomorrow
wintry solar
@ blizzard
lime lake
holy macro batman
gaunt phoenix
we're cooking
torpid fiber
side note, i just found the weirdest bug, if you open with
```/cancelaura Stealt...
surely this is the tech
frank finch
another 1.2% find 😄
lime lake
smh classic outlaw back to bug abusing
gaunt phoenix
Why doesnt this use bte
it seems double-hitting this macro immediately gets you to 7 coins without fail
lone spear
smh classic outlaw back to bug abusing
we never left 
frank finch
torpid fiber
it seems double-hitting this macro immediately gets you to 7 coins without fail
???? that's so awesome
does it bte either time
does this behaviour change if bte isn't in the macro
but also this uses two vanish charges which is cringe
gaunt phoenix
it doesnt use 2
torpid fiber
???????
lone spear
theres an icd on vanish
frank finch
torpid fiber
lmfao
frank finch
wtf is this cook
frigid pelican
Thanks mewo
frank finch
holy shmoly
torpid fiber
what the fuck is the macro doing
gaunt phoenix
i dont know why this is working
torpid fiber
if you write the macro out twice in one macro does it work (well obviously you can't have 2x bte)
lime lake
this is so cooked
lone spear
so its edge casing an extra time
torpid fiber
does it cast the bte the second time i gotta know
frank finch
well that didnt work for me, are u on ptr
lone spear
im assuming its with new tier on ptr
frank finch
kk
torpid fiber
what are you asking exactly
you said the macro didn't use bte
does it use it if you double tap it
gaunt phoenix
yeah you need to double hit it
torpid fiber
i'd assume it was trying to do the bte before the vanish but also that seems unlikely because that would mean bte was on cd beforehand
frank finch
move over sin we can also garentee lucky coin
torpid fiber
wait i have a guess
it's probably trying to BtE first for some reason, but you don't have cp or smth
lone spear
would this better than opening with GS > AR in raid* then? i assume it would be
torpid fiber
would this better than opening with GS > AR in raid* then? i assume it would be
gotta wait for them to implement macro bugs into simc to test
gaunt phoenix
would this better than opening with GS > AR in raid* then? i assume it would be
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
this alone gets you 6 coins for some reason. this is better than opening with GS
now using vanish to get you to 7 immediately, it might be worth it, i would need to adjust simc a bitto find out
torpid fiber
hmm
gaunt phoenix
i dont know why
being at 6
and then the vanish gets you to 7
that's Not What Double Jeopardy Says It Is Doing
lone spear
are you at 7 before the bte?
gaunt phoenix
No you need to finish
lone spear
yea if you are at 6 like that, wouldnt it put you at 8 with double jeapordy?
like the bug we have rn
unless this was their way of fixing the bug
torpid fiber
yeah i have no fucking clue how this gets you to 6, looking at talents surely it's meant to put you at 4
frail veldt
I just did a floodgate for the first time with new KS
oh my god
its so much better
holy shit
outlaw is just objectively easier now with new KS
gaunt phoenix
yeah i have no fucking clue how this gets you to 6, looking at talents surely it...
It's supposed to be 5
torpid fiber
unless it's like. you get a bonus coin from double jeopardy and also a bonus coin from 2p but the dj buff applies to all of them but also that doesn't make sense bc it's 6/4
gaunt phoenix
double jeopardy + edge case gives you 3 of each coin, and then edge case triggers again, which should be 5
But it seems double jeopardy was still active and gets 6
torpid fiber
i wonder if the server just batches them together and applies the buff to both
gaunt phoenix
but it's not like double jeopardy simply has a very small delay, or /cast gs /cast AR would do it
it's specifically the cancelaura stealth that causes it
torpid fiber
hmm
i wonder if it's cancelaura stealth that's causing you to leave stealth twice or smth
if you change the order of the lines does the behaviour still occur?
lime lake
now i want to fuck around with cancelaura on assa and see if it does the same thing
frail veldt
now i want to fuck around with cancelaura on assa and see if it does the same th...
I bet it does
torpid fiber
i wonder if you can get the behaviour by making cancelaura+adr as a macro and then manually pressing GS, or cancelaura+gs, or if you need specifically all three
gaunt phoenix
if you change the order of the lines does the behaviour still occur?
yeah, still 7-4
rapid tiger
It's supposed to be 5
I am gonna bet that edge case is implemented as the 'third side of the coin' and double jeapardy just does 2 of those, making AR go to 4 stack and then GS to 6 which is normal and I am gonna bet that opening wth GS from stealth has the same bug, so you would need the cancel aura or not open with something that gives coins
try to break stealth with SS -> AR -> GS and see if that goes to 6 as well
gaunt phoenix
it doesn't, that goes to 5
keen belfry
Are any of these trinket buffs relevant
rapid tiger
it doesn't, that goes to 5
what about just cancel aura and then AR and then GS (not all together with macro)
gaunt phoenix
Are any of these trinket buffs relevant
this is good
delve trinket
should be good in aoe
keen belfry
Interesting
frail veldt
ooo
gaunt phoenix
the rest are garbo
lime lake
huge
keen belfry
Should I do delves this tier solo
torpid fiber
the huge trinket nerfs are kinda fucked up
there's no shot noggenfogger was playable enough to need a 42% nerf
gaunt phoenix
what about just cancel aura and then AR and then GS (not all together with macro...
That goes to 5
gaunt phoenix
yeh
rapid tiger
right, so its some jank then becuase they are all off-gcd
gaunt phoenix
yea
gaunt phoenix
now i have to figure it out for simc
rapid tiger
sin already has it guaranteed without effort
stuck sparrow
yeah i was wondering what was with the wording
lime lake
sin already has it guaranteed without effort
yeah but getting an extra edge case during burst would be hype
rapid tiger
I guess, but its just for 1 gcd and then you lose it
torpid fiber
i'm still vaguely curious if cancelaura + adr or gs and then manually pressing the other one works; my theory is that they're checking if you use it from stealth for breaking stealth, but then cancelaura is actually properly breaking stealth so it reprocs
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
there's a new problem
i get 7-4 coins
but the lucky coin doesnt actually happen
frank finch
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
rapid tiger
I think it happens after another finisher
rapid tiger
or at least I sometimes noticed a weird delay
stuck sparrow
footbomb is going to be funny since
people are gonna be asking why are you running around like an idiot
gaunt phoenix
45% is a lot
torpid fiber
i wonder if you actually have 7 coins or if it's a client-server desync
gaunt phoenix
it was already good for outlaw
stuck sparrow
its absolutely comical if you get it as a power in a delve
in terms of the sheer damage
torpid fiber
there's damage variance right
gaunt phoenix
ye
gaunt phoenix
but only the last 2 are buffed by ghostly i think
tribal cosmos
took like 2 hours man
torpid fiber
but if we're getting 7 tails flips and no lucky coin that's uhh. not ok
rapid tiger
I wonder if it actually just watches for 6->7 for the proc
torpid fiber
oh god
rapid tiger
I wonder if the same would happen if you get to 5 and press GS
wintry solar
Intended gameplay for sure
torpid fiber
it's so insane that the 6->8 bug is still in the game btw
surely that shit is literally a one character change in the code
gaunt phoenix
ok, the great vanish macro is debunked
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
this still gets you to 6 coins so it will be the opener going forwardthats op af
frank finch
cb?
frank finch
idk
tribal cosmos
how do i show achievments
proven ocean
Let her solo me same day or not deadtube guy 
frail veldt
mine says different day cuz i started progging just before midnight
lololol
at least I think it will
proven ocean
mine says different day cuz i started progging just before midnight
CAP
tribal cosmos
rapid tiger
cant you just vanish again and bte
if its 6/6 then anything will do
frail veldt
I was here the whole time sharing clips of my prog lol
rapid tiger
don't need vanish
frail veldt
if its 6/6 then anything will do
well not a builder right?
I mean
a finisher
like your second finisher wont do it will it?
tribal cosmos
whats the % that finished it
rapid tiger
a finisher will just go to 7 always
torpid fiber
i assume it's 6/4
rapid tiger
its just gonna be 0/7
frail veldt
ah
tribal cosmos
started my prog when i got home from my phoi
tribal cosmos
and needed to practice before raid
i saw the copy pasta and couldnt be caught lacking
proven ocean
Where let her solo me pic 
tribal cosmos
@proven ocean WHAT PICK
proven ocean
READ AAAAAA
gaunt phoenix
if you have 6 of both coins then it doesnt matter what you do, you will get 7 of something on the next coin
frail veldt
if you have 6 of both coins then it doesnt matter what you do, you will get 7 of...
lolol
proven ocean
Let her @gaunt phoenix me
gaunt phoenix
proven ocean
OF LET ME SOLO HER
Where is solo me pic 
tribal cosmos
frail veldt
yeah im just kiddin lol
torpid fiber
I guess we finally found the guaranteed 7 coin opener for outlaw
proven ocean
Wait
frank finch
we about to take variance out back
proven ocean
It took u 2 days or what deadtube
torpid fiber
it might be more than 0.3% if it doesn't need to blow a vanish for nothing, right?
rapid tiger
the 6/6 thing might just get fixed if enough people start doing it though
gaunt phoenix
it might be more than 0.3% if it doesn't need to blow a vanish for nothing, righ...
prolly
torpid fiber
the 6/6 thing might just get fixed if enough people start doing it though
i don't think the fatebound code is actually on blizzard servers, it got eaten by by the code goblin
tribal cosmos
I SHOWED THE ACHIEVEMENT
proven ocean
For the 10th time
jolly geyser
I SHOWED YOU
When you get killed by her 1 time
gaunt phoenix
idk i don't want some cringe tech that only some people are allowed to know
it will spread anyway
gaunt phoenix
Can we shut the fuck up about kyveza
proven ocean
Solo
torpid fiber
enough ppl were here that it would get out no matter what
proven ocean
Relax
gaunt phoenix
no !
frail veldt
nah im with solo here
proven ocean
Nvm dude 
toxic laurel
grim spear
proven ocean
frail veldt
is zeross getting zerossed right now
proven ocean
Gz cuh
gaunt phoenix
proven ocean
?
frail veldt
you just got 100-0d
frank finch
here we go round 2
proven ocean
lowkey getting shit on
U realize hes stupid to not realize its not the achievement and ur replying in a cringe way as usual
lime lake
kinda goated
frail veldt
U realize hes stupid to not realize its not the achievement and ur replying in a...
bro he linked the image
proven ocean
frail veldt
"let me solo her"
proven ocean
proven ocean
Oh shit ok
Dead tube u tried kyveza day 1 u fked up the achievement cuh
It had to be same day prog
tribal cosmos
but after i saw the copy pasta
proven ocean
Fuck you kyveza
lime lake
i had no plans to do ?? this week
then i saw tettles did it
and i couldnt lose to tettles
past lodge
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
tribal cosmos
no way boomie will beat me
wintry solar
Great motivation tbh
wintry solar
Sounds like something Zac would say
proven ocean
Nope i said it
fluid meadow
no, tanks just go there and kill meanwhile they suck in dps spec
tribal cosmos
tanks take like 15 minutes though
literal fatigue gameplay
i would be so tired at 15 minutes
wintry solar
Gotta do it as healer
proven ocean
U dont care about ur defensives
And dps cds
U just send everything on cd and u win by surviving
Which u easily can since ur a tank
grim spear
But actually, she’s a great dummy for practicing DPS under high-pressure movement
proven ocean
Dps hardest
grim spear
I’ve always wanted a dummy like this.
tribal cosmos
is the mog cool
proven ocean
But actually, she’s a great dummy for practicing DPS under high-pressure movemen...
Dont do it at high ilvl later if u wanna prac well
Just lower ur ilvl respectively
wintry solar
I'm not gonna push keys or get hear until she's dead
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound opener tech
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
After you get the 2pc, if you open with this macro, __you will get 6 of each coin instead of 5__. This is most certainly a bug.
Then your first BtE is guaranteed to get you a 7th coin to proc the Lucky Coin.
So for now we have an easy way to guarantee 7 coins.
*This is not required to make Fatebound good, this is a new find that will probably get fixed. Everything established about  **Fatebound** vs  **Trickster** is pretty much the same whether it gets fixed or not.gl bro
wintry solar
Since it's my work week and can't play until S1 starts
random stirrup
25 min encounter
Healer does it very fast
frank finch
tribal cosmos
@gaunt phoenix whats the gain
gaunt phoenix
490%
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
Idk, i have to mess with sims to make it work
wintry solar
"Nightelves look good"
gaunt phoenix
@torpid fiber you're probably right that it is nontrivial
torpid fiber
I'm actually somewhat surprised if it is, my assumption was that it would go from like 0.3% to 0.6% or something
however much half-70% of a vanish usage is worth
gaunt phoenix
for me anything beyond margin is nontrivial
torpid fiber
that's fair
gaunt phoenix
torpid fiber
small gains add up!
proven ocean
# <:fatebound:1273369194322464899> Fatebound opener tech
```/cancelaura Stealth
...
gg advertised insta fix
gaunt phoenix
ye
well good luck
fatebound code seems difficult
they wont devote time to fix it prolly
i would bet it
rare shoal
Do we have a list showing what hero tree to use with each boss yet lads? You guys are absolute heroes xo
tribal cosmos
imagine they fix this bug then the ones that lose dps
so where do we ge tthe rest of the phasebound gear
gaunt phoenix
Do we have a list showing what hero tree to use with each boss yet lads? You guy...
not exactly until the raid is out and more than a handful of people see it
but fatebound will most likely be used on plexus sentinel, loomithar, and fractillus at least
the rest have at least some form of blade flurry damage
which may warrant trickster
rare shoal
Thanks mate
gaunt phoenix
but trickster does not really "take over" until sustain 3 targets
so like, if you are still mostly 1-2 targets, then fatebound is a thing
rare shoal
Trying to figure if I go Outlaw or Sin this tier. New to rogue (well i was a r1 gladiator in s1 as combat maces in original BC) haha
gaunt phoenix
nice
rare shoal
Outlaw looking comparable to Sin yeah?
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
unless you are very seriously pushing, the best spec is probably the one you are best at playing
and if you are very seriously pushing, then the best spec will change per boss
rare shoal
Love the style of outlaw aesthetically, plus i enjoy less burst and more rewarding sustain as im good at being continuously decent rather than frontloading brainpower hahaa
gaunt phoenix
(and if you are very seriously pushing, the best spec might not be a rogue)
tender breach
can I macro KIR + roll the dice for the rolling rule?
tribal cosmos
@gaunt phoenix whattt
gaunt phoenix
?!
tribal cosmos
assa rogue funnel kinda disgusting
gaunt phoenix
in keys ya
tribal cosmos
leagues ahead of other specs rn
gaunt phoenix
in raid i think sin will look normal
tribal cosmos
as in climbing guild ?
oh rogue is easy and hard same time
rogue numbers are down but most of the people who raid on rogue are good players
pushing out other rogues would be pretty hard
TOMORROW IS RAID BE AWAKE
jolly geyser
tender breach
and what does that mean? "Also remember that Trickster tries to send Coup de Grace at normal CPs but you send it early if you would otherwise have to build with SS. This is still true after tier, so both the first and second casts of Coup would follow this optimization."
gaunt phoenix
tons of people are asking at what CPs do you send the new coup de grace
plush swan
has anyone here been playing around with the new rtb bug?
gaunt phoenix
the answer is the same as it has always been
plush swan
pretty sick
gaunt phoenix
you try to coup at normal cps, but if you need to press SS, you dont and instead just coup
tribal cosmos
Ok how many bugs are there
wintry solar
I got work tomorrow
gaunt phoenix
so you can Coup > PS > Coup but dont Coup > SS > Coup
mossy shell
90% uptime on 5 buffs 🙈 🙉 🙊
plush swan
>90% uptime on 5 buffs 🙈 🙉 🙊
yeah it's so crazy
gonna abuse triple outlaw keys tomorrow
jolly geyser
the pvp quest?
tender breach
if u do " Coup > SS > Coup" u lose the buff or something?
tribal cosmos
What are people talking about with this 5 buff shit
torpid fiber
oh i have no clue
oh right
is that the stupid ass "stacking outlaw increases 5 buff chance" thing ppl were memeing about
timid portal
gonna abuse triple outlaw keys tomorrow
gaunt phoenix
if u do " Coup > SS > Coup" u lose the buff or something?
you just have a chance to lose unseen blades
cuz they are wasted between the coups
gaunt phoenix
not really
tribal cosmos
No haste
No kspree
Just mind numbing spamming
New outlaw plays like a stick in the mud
And somehow they made downtime even more punishing
Dont get it
wintry solar
Pre fth nerf was pretty fun
tribal cosmos
Its gonna be absolute doodoo last boss
If i see an outlaw kill last boss ill praise them
gaunt phoenix
i miss acro is all
tribal cosmos
Oh yea
The best talent in the game
Its paladins fault
90% of the wow community didnt even know rogue had acro
wintry solar
Acro and db I miss a lot (idc how bad db is, I like the spam)
wintry solar
OP in making Outlaw feel good yeah
tribal cosmos
Only time we didnt use it was patchwerk bosses
tribal cosmos
No i remember removing it for something
cinder relic
not even almost, straight up
wintry solar
Wasn't that in bfa or legion
cinder relic
IT was always just better to take acro
tribal cosmos
Acro could be lost for something i swear
cinder relic
That was back in legion
wintry solar
I vaguely remember that
tribal cosmos
Well not like flat classes are inherently bad
cinder relic
But in BFA hook was made baseline
tribal cosmos
Always having dps is kinda good in certain situations
torpid fiber
i remember for a while guides would say "you can take any of the 3!!!" but also as soon as you ever played with acro you immediately knew that it was not a real choice to take anything else
tribal cosmos
But the weakness of flat classes are really disturbing
Remember that water fall boss
You could stand in like 2 row away and just ape on him
next wedge
does anyone have the outlaw copy pasta
tribal cosmos
While melee all scrambled like dogs
You were halfway into being a ranged char
Didnt acro increase bf ranged too
wintry solar
Yeah
tribal cosmos
So strong man
wintry solar
Loved legion
torpid fiber
tbf we got the bf range back after they removed acro
wintry solar
I wish there were good legion private servers
chilly atlas
give back acro, make outlaw great again
wintry solar
They're all either vanilla or they're dead
Give me outlaw blizz
I can fix her
I'm gonna give us keys to a pirate ship
chilly atlas
why they remove parley?
cinder relic
why they remove parley?
cuz it was baiscally entirely useless
and it felt a bit out of flavor for rogue to have an MC effect, even if it was pretty quirky for outlaw to have
wintry solar
Dks have one for undead and it's as useless as it is thematic.
You'd think they'd make it giga for unholy but nope
cinder relic
When its useful its quite useful but yeah
DK is like, thats their thing
Even if "parley" is outlaw themed, it's not very rogue themed
hallow spoke
What's the general opinion on crafted wep vs wait for myth track from raid
cinder relic
Legion was more focused on spec design and less class cohesison
which is what DF onwards has focused on
Making the specs feel a part of the class they belong too
rather than living on different little islands
lone spear
which i think sucks
cinder relic
I very much enjoy that rogue feels like rogue
lone spear
idk, theres a balance
i think outlaws theme problem is people crying about wanting combat back
so instead of cooler thematic ability names
we got the generic ones back
like sabre slash and run through
just better than sinister strike and dispatch
wintry solar
I liked that there were different kinds of hunters, rogues, etc like there are in different forms of media.
cinder relic
I think half the reason it was changed to 'saber slash' was because you don't really strike with a sword
and dreadblades were outlaw
once the weapons went back to normal, it just changed back
tender breach
and another question who I can try to send deft manuvers on low cp since its passive?
lime lake
Saber slash with my nightfall cudgel
tender breach
*how
cinder relic
I kinda wish CBB got turned into a remoreseless winter type spell honestly the more I think abt it lol
lone spear
Saber slash with my nightfall cudgel
aye man that think has spikes it can slash
drifting bramble
does cudgle work with bladefurry or do we need to tab through enemies?
wintry solar
and another question who I can try to send deft manuvers on low cp since its pas...
Blade flurry
Idk what youre asking tbh
tender breach
@wintry solar so I press bf on low cps
lone spear
does cudgle work with bladefurry or do we need to tab through enemies?
it will just proc on entering combat
including after vanish
lime lake
its blade flurry not cudgel flurry
tender breach
"In M+, you should try to only send Deft Maneuvers at 1-2 CPs. This is mainly because SS can proc Unseen Blade at any time and you won't know it, and after tier Coup is stronger than before."
lone spear
TRUUUUE
wintry solar
outlaw should have the same restriction as dh
Fr
torpid fiber
does cudgle work with bladefurry or do we need to tab through enemies?
it works with flurry afaik
lone spear
I think the rogue specs are too ambiguous
i think assassination and subtelty are fine (tho sub should for sure use vanish more)
outlaw is just stuck in limbo of pirate is too far removed, and combat is too nothing-burger
balmy topaz
does cudgle work with bladefurry or do we need to tab through enemies?
It does yeah
YO WHERE ARE MY BUFFS