???????????
#outlaw
proven ocean
worldly shale
hahahahha
worldly shale
that whole arc is goated
proven ocean
WTF
worldly shale
it was so random too
like ure watching dexter talking to himself
and he just comes on
surprise motherfucker
proven ocean
dim widget
!gear
ornate heathBOT
hasty warren
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404544371226837052/...
wtf it's so cool
proven ocean
WTF
worldly shale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwXe_iFRFoU
playing youtube from discord made me see a youtube ad for the first time in the last 10 years
proven ocean
what is this
wemo
he [probably thinks ur cooked and u need all the help u can get in wow
late swallow
playing youtube from discord made me see a youtube ad for the first time in the ...
my condolences
proven ocean
he [probably thinks ur cooked and u need all the help u can get in wow
me typing <
worldly shale
proven ocean
\
late swallow
near rock
what do u guys think is in the tuning post they are releasing in 2 hours
tribal cosmos
@near rock assa gutted
late swallow
what do u guys think is in the tuning post they are releasing in 2 hours
people are saying huge outlaw buffs
tribal cosmos
HAHAHAH
worldly shale
<@153610803923255296> assa gutted
praise the lord
tribal cosmos
funny
near rock
I think sin -2/3% maybe
tribal cosmos
Assa funnel gutted to floor
near rock
they don't usually go anything more than 3% on the monday before release
late swallow
best we can do is -5% mutilate damage
worldly shale
cold jewel
"best we can do is give caustic a 5% buff, looking @ outlaw for the next tuning pass"
tribal cosmos
Next patch -5% bf +1% aura
worldly shale
how old are you king
25
tribal cosmos
Is that new
stiff vector
"best we can do is give caustic a 5% buff, looking @ outlaw for the next tuning ...
dont forget that caustic double dips but BF doesnt 
daring oxide
Outlaw nerfs?
tribal cosmos
WAIT
cold jewel
dont forget that caustic double dips but BF doesnt <:garf_sit:133488942944931445...
i would never
tribal cosmos
ferial BUFSS ?
keen belfry
how do u feel about that?
no!!
late swallow
feral eating good
stiff vector
whelp blizzard is clear with their intentions, outlaw is perfect to them 
daring oxide
I think sin -2/3% maybe
Hopefully sin nerf
tribal cosmos
Feral meta now
stiff vector
no tuning needed
near rock
Hopefully sin nerf
don't look up bro
tribal cosmos
PHYS COMP ON TOP
near rock
close ur eyes
late swallow
how did exterminate get more damage
daring oxide
Ok I keep my eyes closed
stiff vector
feral stonks tho
daring oxide
Are outlaw safe?
stiff vector
phys comp stonks
late swallow
i don't get why they get buffs to that completely passive bullshit
remember season 1
exterminate was like their top damage
and it's legit just a passive swing
tribal cosmos
Enhancement buffed again wtf
proven ocean
???????????
HAVOC BUFFS
LOL
FERAL TOO
ENH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WTF IS GOING ON
late swallow
the feral buffs are negligible though
stiff vector
its funny how they keep buffing specs that arent even bad, but the specs actually at the bottom arent getting buffs besides like..enhance
balmy topaz
NAA FERAL BUFFS IS NUTS
stiff vector
I mean I dont think the enhance buffs are really that significant, their ST did need help tho
frank finch
vivid vessel
complelty ignoring m+
proven ocean
yhe
vivid vessel
sin is untouched
proven ocean
havoc is op
hybrid crown
It begins. The top 1/3 getting nerfed. Outlaw meta inc
proven ocean
havoc is prob better in keys like echo
than sin
idk how it's dmg profile is but
its funnel is giga consistent
stiff vector
it has good damage profile
proven ocean
and doesnt need to rupture shit
stiff vector
as aldrachi at least
vivid vessel
havoc is prob better in keys like echo
late swallow
feral is omega giga ++++++++++ tier now?
vivid vessel
its not about funnel ross
vivid vessel
if your spec does that much overall
proven ocean
ive seen way bigger numbers than that
stiff vector
you aint seen any spec do more dps than that in an eco dome lol
stiff vector
and itsn ot even like assa is padding
vivid vessel
you are good
proven ocean
well i do think sin is op sure but
i think priest isn't op idk
ive seen 12m 11m from other classes
normal forge
@vivid vessel have you killed kyveza lvl ?? ?
proven ocean
they might play it because its better for high keys
stiff vector
ye but no other spec is doing 13m+ in ecodome while having insane prio andfunnel
tribal cosmos
Feral feral feral
tribal cosmos
in ptr ?
vivid vessel
tribal cosmos
proven ocean
ye maybe idk
frank finch
well fdk nerfed
tribal cosmos
OMEGALUL
vivid vessel
like ross
frank finch
the enhance tho
vivid vessel
when a spec does that much overall
tribal cosmos
Btw wtf is that bear damage
proven ocean
ye true
tribal cosmos
Frost vs arcane argument
With assa inthink frost is betrer
Without assa arcane bettwr
hasty warren
is raidbot discord bot dead or i'm just unlucky ?
vivid vessel
is raidbot discord bot dead or i'm just unlucky ?
blizard armory api is dead
proven ocean
i wonder if havoc is good compared to mage/priest
stiff vector
assa/feral/fury/brew/rsham or assa/feral/havoc/prot warr/rsham good phys comp setup
hasty warren
blizard armory api is dead
bruh
vivid vessel
assa/feral/fury/brew/rsham or assa/feral/havoc/prot warr/rsham good phys comp se...
where dk
tho
stiff vector
ye I mean you can just put dk in havoc spot too
hasty warren
is dk nerfs relevant ?
vivid vessel
is dk nerfs relevant ?
doesnt matter the other spec is evern better lol
proven ocean
i think udk is one of the hard specs out there atm
worldly shale
tried it today
hasty warren
doesnt matter the other spec is evern better lol
kek
proven ocean
i dont see anyone doing good dmg on it yet only few
agile orchid
i think udk is one of the hard specs out there atm
Lol no
vivid vessel
i dont see anyone doing good dmg on it yet only few
ye i agree, i have only seen shu do damage
its advance dk
stiff vector
you can make good phys or melee comps and outlaw doesnt fit into either 
vivid vessel
idk if you know him
agile orchid
They made unholy braindead af to play
proven ocean
good player
proven ocean
They made unholy braindead af to play
i rly hate this statement ngl
i hear this every tier
on alot of classes
meanwhile
no one does dmg
xd
tribal cosmos
Wait a secknd
agile orchid
I used to main unholy for a few years
hasty warren
so this season meta comp is the sar but we replace disco with resto and boomie with assa or idk ?
tribal cosmos
Warlock got fucking destroyed
proven ocean
ye idc i play dk too
tribal cosmos
HOLYYYY FK
agile orchid
Every single iteration they make it dumber and dumber
proven ocean
i know what it means to do the best dps
ye u say that i bet u wont do 13m in that key without understanding the route and cds etc etc
agile orchid
Right now the unholy opener is like 3 buttons
pure folio
🙌
vivid vessel
i do hate street tho
dim parrot
HAVOC BUFFS
This the craziest one
hasty warren
Do you know if next reset we have to do the campaign to access the raid ?
vivid vessel
brew seems to be still giga stupid
ye
also ross
brew will survive btw
so idk if you know
they have 2 hero talent
one does like infintie st
and one does infinite aoe
vivid vessel
the infinite st one will prolly get nerfed cause raid right
proven ocean
makes sin do crazy dps
lime lake
lmfao
vivid vessel
the infinite st one will prolly get nerfed cause raid right
but the aoe one wont get touched
hasty warren
aoe is mastery of harmony ?
proven ocean
idk why bear needs restealth
but
i heard kira talking about it alot in a key
idk if he was memeing
vivid vessel
haha
proven ocean
its doing giga low dps tho
5.4m overall
brew does way more
might still be worth idk
proven ocean
yea
proven ocean
its the only tank where i ssee casual doing crazy dps
rest are smaller gap than usual?
proven ocean
because i did play well in some keys today i didnt giga gap pug tanks are cooked
1st key session in weeks tho
prob can do way better after i get the hang of keys again no idea what they're doing with routes atm
vivid vessel
because i did play well in some keys today i didnt giga gap pug tanks are cooked
ok but
you need specific pulling with assa
you need a good tnak taht can play around it
dim parrot
Playing with bear tank spriest and arcane definitely pads numbers a bit
proven ocean
you need a good tnak taht can play around it
i think class matters too
ye maybe not actually
just the tank himself
keen belfry
@vivid vessel have u ever made big wig bars as WAs
i think im gonna make a bunch for this tier
ripe ibex
outlaw is good!
hasty warren
idk if assa being realy good is good or bad for us
proven ocean
idk if assa being realy good is good or bad for us
bad
frail veldt
idk if assa being realy good is good or bad for us
its worse for us than if assa is bad
proven ocean
its funny how they keep on buffing garrote and ruptures all the time
strong saffron
then go outlaw
proven ocean
kinda stupid ngl
vivid vessel
thats prolly a bad key idk, i have seen him do insane damage for the past weeks with all kind of tanks
worldly shale
gimme a good plater bois
strong saffron
just use jundies
worldly shale
bored
vivid vessel
is that dawn @proven ocean
hasty warren
well it's not like i've the habit now not be take. in groups, it's almost a spec feature at this rate
worldly shale
proven ocean
i think spriest is trolling
idk why i see it in every kira key
i wonder what the chinese guys cooked this time
hasty warren
sp looks strange now with the two crashs
proven ocean
im not impressed by sub rogue ngl
feels wack as hell
i think its good in streets if u get good rng with the orbs
on the amp boss
then u absolutely nuke boss dmg
stiff vector
I think sub is pretty good in certain keys but not every key
proven ocean
I think it sucks on all keys but it’ll still be played cuz sin sucks in dawn+streets
tribal pagoda
hasty warren
I think it sucks on all keys but it’ll still be played cuz sin sucks in dawn+str...
what is the reason ?
proven ocean
Not enough dmg imo to be the best but its good enough to time the keys tho
vivid vessel
@proven ocean whhich season is the black dude in
in dexter
will i see him
he looks funny i wanna see him
proven ocean
Idk
late swallow
Shambles
fresh acorn
tribal cosmos
proven ocean
Nerf udk
hasty warren
real
proven ocean
Actually dont
late swallow
Nah buff zac
tame geyser
hey friends I came back after a year and a half, I was 620 and now I managed to get to 680. Is it normal that I do ~10-15% more damage with HO instead of KiR? I do not have any set pieces rn, am I just bad at KiR? 😄
tame geyser
if the answer is "skill issue", you're probably right
late swallow
And I am just saying that you have no data to back up such a claim and that I think that it's more epistemologically sane to adopt a position of agnosticism towards things for which there is no good data
tame geyser
😄
cold jewel
could be his haste too
proven ocean
U can play HO tho
hasty warren
kir is harder to play imo
proven ocean
could be his haste too
That too yea
tame geyser
I have 22% unbuffed with no flask
cold jewel
ok nvm
proven ocean
Ok nvm
cold jewel
proven ocean
!haste
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
tame geyser
so it's just a skill issue, good to know
proven ocean
Anything outlaw related is skill issue
tame geyser
I was wondering if it was because I dont have any previous tier pieces
hasty warren
with practice u'll get it
proven ocean
Be aware no matter how long u play outlaw ur gonna suck at it unless u play it giga full time
cinder relic
Fdk nerfed reroll now
proven ocean
^
bright crane
Sin nerf when
tame geyser
Be aware no matter how long u play outlaw ur gonna suck at it unless u play it g...
oh yea I know, my main since bfa, always managed to get a good score and a couple CEs, but the ceiling is so high
it's one of the best things about the spec
tame geyser
are u pressing ambush as kir
no I use the macro for SS in stealth
proven ocean
Unless its op in raid then it wont be touched
fresh orchid
sin is more likely to get a buff than nerf
zinc briar
so.. outlaw in raid prog is troll.. what do i play now 🙁
tame geyser
I just feel energy starved most of the time, and I surely am doing something wrong with KS and coup (I should track it tho lmao)
tribal cosmos
@zinc briar what rank guild are you
frank finch
so.. outlaw in raid prog is troll.. what do i play now 🙁
it will be fine on the cleave bosses
proven ocean
I did 50 or was it 60% of 2nd guy’s dps in one of my half done keys
fresh orchid
happened s1 a lot for frost dk they were rolling in m+ hardtime but mid raid, and got buffs
zinc briar
<@184783415290232832> what rank guild are you
top 300 world
proven ocean
Run was pulled well by the tank
tribal cosmos
If youre not top 100 world tell em to stfu and do mechanics better
Top 300 world as if prog dmg mattwrs
gaunt phoenix
if you are maintaining adrenaline rush, you have energy, if you cant maintain AR, you don't have energy
frank finch
proven ocean
Anyone out here if u didnt do kyveza on ?? U should quit raiding
gaunt phoenix
not having tier does contribute towards not being able to maintain AR
tribal cosmos
If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a baseline mechanics check. If you cannot handle mechanics while maintaining a strong DPS or HPS rotation, you will only drag the group down on the harder fights ahead.
This is not optional. This is not "just a warm-up boss." This is the fight that tells us whether you can balance your gameplay fundamentals aka: awareness, movement, uptime, and performance but all at once. If you fail here, you will fail later.
If you can't be bothered to put in the hours to grind this fight, you are disrespecting the other 26 players on this roster who are putting in the work. This is a preparatory fight for a multi-week raid, and it requires commitment. If you can't commit now, you won't commit later.
You all said you wanted to improve as a raid and get a better ranking. That doesn't start with someone else carrying you, it starts with you improving your own gameplay. If you can't do that, you're dead weight. And yes, I'm talking to you, you slug.
And before anyone even thinks about saying, "my class isn't designed for this encounter" fucking save it. I've seen hundreds of Chinese VODs of Kyveza beaten on every single spec and every single hero talent combination possible. The fight is beatable. The capability exists. The only difference between them and you is execution and effort.
So here's the bottom line: Beat Kyveza before raid night, or don't show up.
proven ocean
Ngl
tame geyser
ty for all the answers guys, you're always the best ❤️ gonna stalk the dummy for a while
brittle pelican
for the Harvester's Edict trinket, should we just let the orb hit the mobs or pick it up?
proven ocean
brittle pelican
coo coo, felt like I was missing out if I didn't catch it
tribal cosmos
@gaunt phoenix what spec this raid you playing
gaunt phoenix
i haven't played another spec since fetid devourer
craggy barn
If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a ba...
holy a new copy pasta
frank finch
proven ocean
I wonder
tribal cosmos
Damn
proven ocean
I wonder how many of u guys can kill kyveza on “???” If they do release it
craggy barn
is ksnew a badge yet
proven ocean
Idk if casuals will be able to ngl
hasty warren
I don't like kyveza fight
cinder relic
Unless its op in raid then it wont be touched
Eh they nerfed udk a bit last szn
Could see some small nerfs but
craggy barn
its not for everyone but it is for sure a difficult solo content some people craved
craggy barn
sin do be solid
proven ocean
its not for everyone but it is for sure a difficult solo content some people cra...
I want a ??? Challenge
No cappi
Too much downtime of nothing happening
light rapids
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
proven ocean
Kyveza on steroids would be sick
tribal cosmos
Sin is insane funnel tbh
dawn talon
kyveza w a soft enrage where she stops meleeing and just spams spells on you
proven ocean
And imagine if they give it a title like “Hitman Zeross” after killing kyveza on ???
Would be omega badass
And make it scaled by ilvl
No enchants working
No nothing
No food
Etc
orchid oracle
hitless kyveza
proven ocean
Theres like that challenge in osrs called the inferno
cinder relic
proven ocean
It became so much easier over the years cuz of the bloat of item upgrades
proven ocean
Dpser with items missing is way harder i think idk cant stretch that
brittle goblet
!gear
ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
Dpser with items missing is way harder i think idk cant stretch that
well its a 17 min fight tbf
kekw
proven ocean
Lazel is good ye
tribal cosmos
mild vigil
solid gyro
shouldn't be able to be done on Tank/Healer specs tbh
mild vigil
no longer washed
white marten
Hm is the gain of 2pc and 4pc?
proven ocean
Vdh has a history of soloing absurd things
Its just cuz of the spec’s design
It can do crazy shit
solid gyro
further proof that tank/healer specs shouldn't count
Disc priest doing it in 6 mins is mad
solid gyro
yeah pretty sure i've seen a 6min disc priest
proven ocean
solid gyro
PI brann when he uses CDs+hatarang lines up
sudden iron
what in the autism is that
proven ocean
PI brann when he uses CDs+hatarang lines up
WTF
Does that mean spriest can do it in 3 mins??!!
proven ocean
further proof that tank/healer specs shouldn't count
Ur asking for a challenge like mage tower
It was omega hard when it was released week 1
Harder than kyveza at it’s time by WAAAAY TOO MUCH
It was role based
And few dps specs had diff challenges etc
solid gyro
Ik, I played during Legion
But mage tower was not the same, mage tower had a strategy that was 100% followable, kyveza has massively randomized segments
feels different
proven ocean
Mage tower was way harder
Week1
Too low attempts cuz of currency, no one had any idea whats going on
compact narwhal
gdruid fel bear one still kinda nutty
proven ocean
Very tough challenges
Current mage towers are for cosmetics
Not hard at all sadly
As a matter of fact i did the sin mage tower under 15 seconds
Before deathmark expired
That easy
U just setup full bis gear and send it home
strong halo
class tuning just came out! lets see rogue section!
proven ocean
Ur party to the late bro
strong halo
wow big changes
proven ocean
gdruid fel bear one still kinda nutty
I still remember doing guardian mage tower super early on
Felt so fucking good
Legit unbelievably hard challenge
craggy kelp
It was omega hard when it was released week 1
wasnt prot pally literally impossible week 1?
iirc
pliant wind
isnt that a lot of gold lost?
proven ocean
wasnt prot pally literally impossible week 1?
I remember something about that
craggy kelp
it had way more HP than the other tank specs
proven ocean
It was just omega overtuned right
craggy kelp
proven ocean
Ye
Guardian druid one tho
Goly fuck
Doing it hit hard
Ngl
Getting that bear form
Gorilla bear form
Sheeeesh
Biggest flex of all time in legion
Felt like looking at an infernal cape in osrs when it was first released
frail veldt
As a matter of fact i did the sin mage tower under 15 seconds
That one was so easy
Spriest mage tower was super hard
frail veldt
And tank one as a prot pala also felt quite hard cuz it's so easy to get knocked off
proven ocean
Affli lock too without slow legendary was giga hard
proven ocean
And tank one as a prot pala also felt quite hard cuz it's so easy to get knocked...
Nah it was overtuned
frail veldt
But spriest for whatever reason was by far the hardest
proven ocean
Ppl didnt do it early on
frail veldt
Out of the specs I chose to do
proven ocean
But spriest for whatever reason was by far the hardest
Affli prob the same
Without ring that is
frail veldt
Spriest was worse
frail veldt
I did it right when it came out
frail veldt
Idk what ring
ripe ibex
proven ocean
U had no slow no nothing
frail veldt
What ring is that
vital wave
@vivid vessel do you have a gear for prog as sub in raid ?
ripe ibex
mage people are so funny
proven ocean
Mewo
frail veldt
Oh just the corruption slow?
proven ocean
It slowed the boss perma by 60%
frail veldt
I mean
proven ocean
it made the fight giga free
frail veldt
Okay
proven ocean
Brother ur gonna teach me affli now
frail veldt
Curse of exhaustion was 100% in the game in SL
proven ocean
frail veldt
Oh wait
I'm talking about shadowlands
Not the og mage tower
I started playing in SL
proven ocean
Its a shell of its former self
mild vigil
and consumables
proven ocean
Mewo
frail veldt
Lolololol
proven ocean
Atleast for 2 weeks
frail veldt
They nerfed it hard though
proven ocean
U keep spamming things when u have no idea what was going on
frail veldt
Cuz people were madge haha
I mean you just said mage tower idk which version you were talking about
frail veldt
There ya go
late swallow
Ya ross clearly said legion
proven ocean
First month before ToS was released
frail veldt
Honestly I think people in legion were just so much worse at the game compared to now so it's hard to say
late swallow
Fact checked
proven ocean
It was like
craggy kelp
the only SL mage tower that felt hard was frost mage when they giga nerfed blizz and orb
proven ocean
Honestly I think people in legion were just so much worse at the game compared t...
Thats not even true
Brother
It wasnt just hard
U needed to farm currency
So it had limited attempts
So annoying to progress
It was meant to be done at say 700 ilvl
Hutt
But
We were 630 ilvl
No legendaries etc
frail veldt
Yeah that sounds annoying but I usually don't consider accessibility like that when I talk about difficulty
tight kernel
Whats the gv raidbot string?
#Weeklyreward?
proven ocean
Mewo
It was way harder than kyveza at its time
Everyone knows ppl are good now
Like
WAAAAY HARDER
frail veldt
Mechanically or because of just other blockers like the stuff you're saying
frail veldt
Yeah I'm just talking explicitly about the mechanics of it
proven ocean
Mechanically and progressing it
Brother
It was harder mechanically at its time
Wdym
proven ocean
Thats what ive been talking about for the past 1 hour
U just talk sideways
Every convo
24/7
frail veldt
I just got done driving lol I'm catching up
vivid vessel
mewo
frail veldt
I honestly loved mage tower
vivid vessel
fuck you mewo
frail veldt
Do you think they'll do more kyveza fights?
The other ?? Boss was boring
The one in undermine
proven ocean
They’ve been doing them all expansion but ye this one was a rly special one
random stirrup
probably will go more kyveza style if its popular
gaunt phoenix
do you need the cloak to enter the raid at all?
lime lake
I think this one benefited a lot from having been a raid boss, I expect future ones to still be more like the first two
frail veldt
The mechanics did require pretty quick reaction, the dashes at first were like surprising
lime lake
Hope I'm wrong though
frail veldt
Blizzard never makes stuff that fast
proven ocean
do you need the cloak to enter the raid at all?
In ptr i think so but idk if its required but why?
Its so easy to get the cloak
lime lake
Cloak sucks gg
proven ocean
Takes 1 hr to do the questline and less than 1 min to skip on alts
worthy elm
You need the cloak for one of the fights
frail veldt
Love a good alt skip
proven ocean
You need the cloak for one of the fights
In ptr to enter the raid u needed the cloak
But idk if u can cheese it with summoning
worthy elm
Fun
proven ocean
It is fun tho
Idk if u checked how to enter the raid
Cool animations
I liked the idea
toxic laurel
DIEEE DIEE DIEEE
frigid cloud
guys what the conditions for casting bte are during the fight and pull ?
frail veldt
guys what the conditions for casting bte are during the fight and pull ?
It depends on if youre fatebound or trickster
gaunt phoenix
just bte on cd
frail veldt
But the rotation section in the faq covers it
gaunt phoenix
but ks and coup have higher prio
frigid cloud
It depends on if youre fatebound or trickster
fatebound
torpid fiber
wait doesn't this part of the "opener" section in the FAQ contradict what we discussed about vanish vs KS prio the other day? (Also its not what the sims do idt)
Or is this an opener specific minmax
fathom holly
but ks and coup have higher prio
do we track unseen blade 20 seconds cd boss or does it play naturally?
torpid fiber
but doesn't that contradict what we talked about with how preventing vanish overcapping is more important than KS?
or am I stupid
gaunt phoenix
you do track it optimally
torpid fiber
Oh, is the prio KS > vanish if would overcap > don't vanish if ks cd low
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix i think ?? Shouldnt be ?? It shoud be ?! Instead above the ?
gaunt phoenix
I dont know what "we" talked about
proven ocean
Who we
torpid fiber
iirc you were there
gaunt phoenix
Ks is higher prio than 2 vanish
but if ks is not ready
you dont sit there with 2 vanish and wait for ks
and then ks and then vanish
gaunt phoenix
torpid fiber
I was missing a rule
neat tapir
!fuu
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worldly shale
so we are nowhere in the last tuning, right?
craggy barn
we were not touched
proven ocean
Brb sleep
peak dock
anyone know how to find a persons twitch channel by weakauras? i mean i want the twitch channel of a wa creator
tight kernel
If we craft MH, move Cappo to OH or replace Cappo with Vision 691 wep?
gaunt phoenix
probably keep mythic capo
peak dock
If we craft MH, move Cappo to OH or replace Cappo with Vision 691 wep?
heroic capo is 0.1 under 691 visions dagger
for me at least
fair oak
proper bear
Is FB M+ just absolutely trolling? Wasn’t there talk at one point that the ST is so far ahead that it’s overall worse than tricks but still viable just bc of how batty the st gap is?
gaunt phoenix
after tier i don't think it's trolling, but maybe shouldnt use it for serious pushing
the problem is that you lose ST when in aoe situations
cuz the delivered doom talent turns itself off
worldly shale
btw, those boots that enhance cape
proper bear
the problem is that you lose ST when in aoe situations
Aha
craggy barn
where my 
badge 😠
torpid fiber
are they just bonkers
Yeah probably
worldly shale
we could become master baiters after all that and cape levels up
gaunt phoenix
fatebound actually wins dslice sims but it's making a serious assumption on how often you are at literally 1 target and not more
torpid fiber
The cape is so funny in solo content tbh, it procs and oneshots enemies
gaunt phoenix
ye it's one ST boss for two min
torpid fiber
also no bosses with adds, yeah
torpid fiber
it's a reasonable assumption in a world where there isn't a talent that forcibly makes your ST worse if there's multiple enemies
gaunt phoenix
that said, i ran a few dungeonroute sims and fatebound was within like 3-4%
so it's like
it's not trolling either way
proper bear
ye it's one ST boss for two min
Tbh that’s how most weekly 12 pug tanks pull
Not that I’m tryna just do those
craggy barn
its just a weird damage profile for push keys
proper bear
But still worth noting
torpid fiber
might end up being that there's some dungeons where fatebound profile is better, who knows
gaunt phoenix
since i dont push i fully intend to just be fatebound
craggy barn
if violet hold was a m+ dungeon, it would be goated there
gaunt phoenix
a tier of trickster is enough
craggy barn
vanish rule
glass mortar
worse rrules yea
torpid fiber
I'll probably try both at some point
glass mortar
for fatebound
craggy barn
did they fix trickster raid parry
frank finch
slate forge
!up
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opal raven
since i dont push i fully intend to just be fatebound
I love 1 hour tricks tho
jaunty viper
debuff the final boss puts out
lime lake
Lmfao this guy doesn't know stigma of pride
vivid vessel
It'd a tank thing ?
Idc then
I thought maybe they realized the aoes they added where cancer
But no
It's a real fight
craggy barn
vivid vessel
Ye whatever
Tank shit
Ok why do they remove the tank shit tho
They are going to fall asleep
craggy barn
wild
copper radish
got a champ level bloodstained neck, schemin bands bracers, haunting gloves, ara-kara trink, and zeph carver wep. think i clean sweeped most of the bis dungeon drops week 1 lol
gaunt phoenix
now you will replace them all
copper radish
now i just need mythic track ones XD
eager rose
,00
white marten
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
sudden iron
now you will replace them all
do u tho, champ track gear lives long cause 8/8champ = 4/6hero and further upgrades need gilded
gaunt phoenix
we should look good on the cleave bosses
worldly shale
do u tho, champ track gear lives long cause 8/8champ = 4/6hero and further upgra...
yah
white marten
Outlaw needs a ST buff. like ~8% along with a tier set buff
worldly shale
ill be farming champ after doing all 10s
waste to get hc, wont be spending gilded on it
white marten
will T11 delves still grant 10 gilded?
zinc briar
we should look good on the cleave bosses
and thats 1 or 2 bosses?
frail veldt
we should look good on the cleave bosses
PC cranks still
tbh
maybe bad take
but I think other specs need some nerfs lol
which blizz did
white marten
Facts
crystal musk
guys someone have excel file with curently sims?
frail veldt
guys someone have excel file with curently sims?
!fuu
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frail veldt
ty for this, do u have with all clases?
worthy elm
which bosses do we run fate for vs trick in raid.
white marten
ST = Fate
frail veldt
but honestly I think frost mage only getting 3% is pretty small for how strong it seems in the sims
white marten
frost ST is insane, def needs another 3
frail veldt
but maybe sims fake
frail veldt
which bosses do we run fate for vs trick in raid.
im not sure we have an exact answer yet for this
it really depends how much aoe uptime you think youll get
fatebound is substantially ahead in ST
but the gap shrinks very quickly with any amount of cleave
civic zephyr
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
cinder relic
frank finch
new borken trinket alert
possibly
im hearing reports that this thing does not trigger the 20 sec on use cd
tribal cosmos
It doesnt
Its bis for feral
Probably bis for assa too
And subetly
Useless for outlaw tho ngl
frank finch
unlucky
lime lake
it'll also get fixed immediately if people start using it
same thing happens every time some random trinket doesnt trigger the on use cd
late swallow
it'll also get fixed immediately if people start using it
haha hey
wraith marsh
Hey, noticed slice and dice proc even I just spend on dispatch/bte but cant the find passive/talent allowing me to do so
lime lake
desert tendon
pulsar pulsar
Can you even get it at a decent Ilvl?
sullen wyvern
This shit should be a passive at this point, why even have it as a talent let alone a capstone.
lime lake
wintry solar
Nerf was justified then either
sullen wyvern
It was good until blunderbussy came along in shadowlands
So I think it was a matter of picking the less shit capstone
which was gsw
fathom bramble
it probably gives more damage than it did then
sullen wyvern
then blunderbussy came along
fathom bramble
we just have actually good stuff that it competes with
sullen wyvern
yeah
fathom bramble
reminder that for a long time our strongest SL legendary was 6-7% damage
sullen wyvern
But this talent has been dead even since SL
Idk why put it as a capstone tbh
ebb n flow?
fathom bramble
idk it's just not very interesting for a capstone either
wintry solar
Esp now since it doesn't synergize with the tree
fathom bramble
it should probably stack and have a chance to give 2 stacks instead of 1 when you spend more than 5 CP
wintry solar
They're gonna delete it and put another passive that actually does damage
fathom bramble
replace this shit talent with gsw, remove gsw as a capstone
replace all the talents that do virtually nothing(Thiefs vers, Triple threat, Imp MG, Heavy hitter) with something at the very least more interesting
and buff blade rush since it is literally useless
stiff vector
friendly reminder that riposte still somehow exists in the tree
sullen wyvern
I agree thiefs vers is not interesting but It's pretty strong though
3% dmg 1.5% dr
fathom bramble
filler talents are kind of fine, but I think we have room to have more talents that actually do something in an effort to allow for more different builds
fathom bramble
rip pirate son
fathom bramble
like I think filler talents are fine in general, but they are also an opportunity
fathom bramble
you can add actual changes without disrupting old builds too much
and then fallback on old builds if it plays out poorly
sullen wyvern
This is what the playerbase wanted
bring back old school talent trees
This was old school talent trees
bunch of useless shti you had to pick for the one that actually mattered
dawn talon
there should be minorly impactful pathing talents
fathom bramble
although our hero talents are much more of a problem rn in regards to filler
sullen wyvern
yah
dawn talon
but not unpickable filler like riposte
fathom bramble
Fatebound having almost no APL changes when you put it on is a big indicator that it is almost entirely filler
sullen wyvern
I like how outlaw's hero talent
fathom bramble
the most impactful and meaingful talent on there is double hook
sullen wyvern
is just more rng on top of how rngish outlaw already is
the true gambling addict fantasy
lone spear
we still arent highest variance spec so its fine
wintry solar
Ider what riposte does
wintry solar
Oh yeah
wintry solar
FTH should be a 4 point node
- 1 point per stack
fathom bramble
reminder that riposte is on the same row as 5% reduced damage taken, Float, and blind cooldown
lone spear
it was really good against the kyvesa delve
fathom bramble
and it's the only one of those 4 that feels like it does functionally nothing
lone spear
xdd
sullen wyvern
how are we in raid compared to sub and assa?
Do any of these fights have huge downtime to make outlaw unplayable?
Meaning new raid coming tomorrow
lone spear
last boss might have a decent amount cause theres flying
sullen wyvern
FTH should be a 4 point node
should be 100% a 1 point node
lone spear
nexus king is mostly fine theres just a lil downtime travelling between platforms
sullen wyvern
If there are adds with downtime I think it should be fine
I am guessing dimensions has some sort of cleave
dimensius*
late swallow
should be 100% a 1 point node
i mean unironically yes
lone spear
yea just play what u enjoy and you'll do well
late swallow
riposte should be removed
fathom bramble
all 3 of the talents in that row should be 1 pointers
late swallow
bro if they tweaked gsw just a teeny bit, it'd be goated
either make it stack or bank charges or some shit
torpid fiber
gsw is so boring though, I feel like I'm going insane
It's never been tuned in a way where it affects the rotation
sullen wyvern
I think given how many rules we got as KiR in order to properly consume FTH stacks, GSW kinda loses some value
Cuz you'd be holding it
GSW should be removed overall giving how crackshot works
Its just cluncky
lone spear
many such cases
late swallow
GSW should be removed overall giving how crackshot works
that's why I'm saying, add stacks or charges
I think it'd work fine with CS that way