#outlaw
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hes not hiding it
im NA
zeross
what can i do
im NA too
its my region
understandable
dont give us a bad name
too much salt on our fries
I dont even play anymore
LOL
EW!
is world first race starting tomorrow?
how
theyve been on the clock
bro theres shit to do
prior to tuesday
theyve been playing
and testing on ptr
so sweaty
yep
is outlaw gonna be big damagewise s3 m+? and raid?
worse than last season
in first two weeks
raid its the same shit as always
m+ its like
s1 like
ye
outlaw broken op right now @hollow creek
outlaw is so fucking dogshit the people responsible should be held accountable and deleted from the history of activision & co forever

i almost didn't know that was Ross, he typed everything in one message
ok im ngl kyvezza is harder than Mythic raid bosses on a solo performance
!
he typed everything in in message
Why is Ross now chicken soup? For a moment I almost thought someone was serious
nice you all say different things so i get a good answer haha
WHAT
U THINK IM NOT SERIOUS OR
bro spelling check u know
why does raidbots say the leather boots have an onuse
because you have to use the boots
boot user
That emoji is like the biggest clue that it's Ross shittalking
it's just a display thing
But serious question: how's outlaw looking? I stopped checking for the past few weeks since there was no reason to play
nah ngl outlaw needs like 10% more buff rn
So just regular outlaw, got it
worse then last season maybe a lil better then s1 basically
idgi I thought the reshii wraps are just static stats
what is the "triggers more often" mean
can someone eli5
Is assassination going crazy in m+? Will I get discriminated for playing law?
or do you have to add that
ye
I thought my cloak just gives me vers
you would have got discriminated anyway
they took the buffing cape part off of ptr cuz it was bugged
but they make cloak do more dam
thats the cloak
but cape does have a damage buff irl?
Idk last season felt okay
ethereal reaping
Thanks to some tomelvis guy carrying us
aaaaah
ye cause outlaw was good
gotcha
haha
playing KS felt okay?
who tomelvis
thats troll
i only know a tompelvis
last season outlaw was extremely strong
strong but awful to play
arguably close to as strong as we were df s3
I quit
I mean discrimination wise
not quite but close
nah no way
Not gameplay wise
so u will be noticable weaker (relative to others)this season
now phys comp and im pretty sure it sucks?
?
idk about way worse
or?
outlaw worse than season one 
but i do agree that in s1 we didnt play phys buffs
so it looked worse that it actually was
ye
Df S3 law was insane good
but i think its similar to s1
idk outlaw just seems to need a rework to me ngl
its abit fked up in dmg profile atm
yes and last season in m+ we were turbo good to
0 prio so ur basically a sub rogue that has no cds but blackpowders everything
I know, I played half of it
s1 was ass but I do think this season is slightly worse because were forced into playing PC 1fth and our ST is ass, and our prio dmg has been nuked so imo its kinda worse
But df S3 we were goated in the raid as well
Yeah BP at 4 is insane
@vivid vessel ngl tho i think outlaw atleast needs 10% buff rn
for m+ i think it needs 10% aura and the bf nerf reverted BUT
Is sub at the same level as sin for m+ this season?
its crazy how they nuke our prio in the same season that they give assa even more prio/funnel...its like they just took it and donated it to assa
just like they did with blade flurry
how do ytou do that
I mean for raid for outlaw to actually be played it probably also need that
But it will look too strong
Like outlaw is around want it is every patch in raid
Maybe a bit weaker
But pc will look super good on the cleave bosses
weird way to loose, why is there no death message.....
Blizz is just getting the week one nerfs out of the way early
Check details?
this will mask any buffs u guys are gonna get
idk i dislike how outlaw is being worked rn
i hope they rework it next expansion
like fully
would be sick
and man i hope realz deleted killingspree
@vivid vessel like do u think outlaw is good rn playstyle wise
i know u like outlaw so dont answer in a biased way like
i know outlaw good but
is it good
if u know what i mean
cuz i feel like the gameplay just doesnt make sense to me
What was the general rule to set spellqueue?
Mines is set at 400 I just wanna test a couple things
I usually play at 15 ms
It's a personal preference thing
If you set it too low you will probably have issues
just press faster
nothing below 200, anything between that and 400
i think the whole trickster thing plays bad and is clunky, i think ks being non prio feels bad (tahts not really gameplay but it kinda is), the rest idk i like it it plays well, even ks plays fine, would be better faster but its ok
like the ub mechanic
is annoying on outlaw
you overcap ps, you lose ps
perma
you are forced to press ss when you dont wanna
in s3 its even worse cause they are more delayed so you kinda wait your gcd its weird af
what do you mean by this?
How is it delayed?
Whenever we press bte the enemy gains a stacking debuff
you consume unseen blades
yeah the delay is hella annoying
and the tier set can also proc another unseen blades
gg im a fucking god
the first ub proc is delayed by 250ms
and imo the double coup from tier feels kinda terrible to play with
the second also but it can be up to 1s delayed
which is kinda a lot cause by then your gcd is over btw
so you cant react to having procced coup
or smth
yes
because its impossible to react to
or it is
if you wait for it
after a ss
so you intentionally delay your gcd
by maybe 1s
which like
no fucking wya
I swear they just repeat the first mistake outlaw design ever had(delayed hits/CP from SS) over and over
make things happen when the key is pressed
why is it any other way
like longer CD on KS feels good rotation wise, its less intrusive, but thats basically offset by the longer channel and double coup+delayed UB feeling much worse to play with
while we're complaining i'd just like to mention how awkward it is when you end KS at full CP and 2 SS away from coup
worse when you press bte and it procs ace
The only thing I can think off is that they probably had the same issue as with previous CdG bug and they couldn't properly make it work during development so now it's delayed
they dont want us to x4 UB on a single SS spam 
cant believe kyzea only took me 25 attempts
what does the hardmode kyvesa giuve?
bragging rights
big
yep :)
yep
thats my tought aswell
i like longer cd ks
i have more time to do my things
and delay vanish
Meanwhile me at over 200 pulls
Guess I just suck Q_Q
bro it was a vanish, i know what happened
@vivid vessel bro took over 200 pulls imaginet

how can you even do 200 pulls on that
Why bully
@frail veldt
i am on like 40 and i am pissed after each try
i know bro its so easy i basically one shot it and killed so fast
mhm
thats not what i meant
Gotta be patient
What helped me was just acknowledging that almost every death was my fault
I’ve been getting more consistent
i havent gotten close anymore and i dont wanna continue
Best pull is 27.6%, and I’ve been getting consistently to sub 40% today
I fatfingered shadowstep at 7% and instadied with all CD's up as SUB earlier on so
It could be worse bros
Yep
(((((((i proceeded to unbind all not-useful buttons))))
Tbh if I stopped being stubborn and just played sin I probably would’ve killed her by now
Yeah, but I’m not dying to ticking damage, never even getting low
I’m dying to skill checks
surely I'm not just getting ping diffed at 60ms
Ahh
B:c I’m bad
dying to shadows that I am facing
unless there's a window where it is too late to rotate and your death is locked in
idk
Backpedal when you are doing the "Look at me" phase
Just saw the best tier list of all time
Strafing at all instakills u
no zoom
Yeah I know now, I’m pretty consistent with the mechanics now
If Surrender to Madness is not at the top I will not look at that list
Just endurance, sometimes I choke and get clipped by a dagger or lose count of shadows
Its clearly shattering blow cant you see
😴
Killing spree s tier for sure i can sense it in my big toe
who said mage tower was harder than this?
The assa one was pretty hard
Really had to be good at juggling your dots to do enough dmg
mage tower was solvable with the right strategy and this is just shear skill requirement
It was more about knowing which utility buttons to press
But also doing big dam
I'm pretty sure it took me like 200 tries
Oh yeah if I had gear it would be dead already
But I want the bragging rights of killing it before the season starts
me also lol
where can you even find her this week? are you guys doing that on ptr?
She’s in the delve in tazavesh
SHe's in tazavesh delve
ah ok :)
i didnt even defeat the underpin last season because I lost motivation after 5 tries xD
I guess, but they were in the middle of reworking it anyway why not just do something less expected to be problematic
Like "unseen blade has an x% chance to deal double damage and generates 2 stacks towards your next coup"
mage tower was 10 years ago
everytime they do some kind of delayed hit it has unintended problems
no way its harder 
and I wish they would just stop
!gear
ya
i added pvp gear
ye thats cool
bro
wouldnt it be so insane
if you could mouseover the items
on the embed
like a real embed

pvp belt should be good too
Neat
we did last season
ooo
thats nice
wut. man im out of the loop.
pvp gear is on champ track and you can get a free socket on it
think a lot of people will have vers mastery belt in keys
or just in general
should add one to faq
We have lowkey always considered pvp neck or ring cause lack of vers jewelry
!up
well im semi new to outlaw, so thats good to know 🙂
should make it an alias with !upgrade
Why mastery?
Why not crit or something else but mastery?
potentially a crafted angle in the end
ye
No haste crit?
same
For kir, some mastery in aoe is fine
this is sick wtf
is pvp gear @gaunt phoenix same ilvl diff as last season
i think i kept them for a while
Hey babes
Tomorrow is the day
or well i think crafted ended up better but barelly
my guy
whjy you dont realize is that we have it better lol
looks like it is
imma wake up at 6 am and play directly
still champ track
How you have it better
champ track still goes to the bottom of myth track
What lfr is open next week ?
what im saying is
when i wake up
server is up
you
no
unless you omega fuck up your sleep schedule
to wake up at 4pm
Sup
You
This boss teaches everyone
“ you are the person everyone waitinf on for mechanics “”
Ok but 11 am
With 5 h delay
That's so cursed
Eu has no delay at all
And it will be up at whatever time you chose to wake up
Well it's usually delayed
it 100% will be, every season or xpac drop is
By at least a few
I don't think season openings are often that delayed
it's more like patches that get delayed a bunch
I would be interested to see if that's true or not though
I vividly remember liquid waiting last patch
but I doubt anyone has useful data for patch delays on NA from the last couple of expacs
Like almost certain
Time to lorgg all the top assa players
are there any new rules for KiR?
fukin LOSERS
what was your adr uptime on your kill wang
@vivid vessel
awank hasn't but awang has!
200 pulls
2 outlaw rogue comp 😎
I need solo to cook up another HO goated build or I'm cooked
HO with vigor instead of supercharger seems to be like 7% behind or something like that
with old tier yeah
you arent EU
Oh I thought it was new tier
new tier HO plays vigor
new tierset killed HO?
no

HO is 3% more behind kir than last season
I mean you arent
the state of it
Last time I checked UAE wasnt part of the european union
smh
state of what
well I can be EU too
im talking about wow
its 3% worse this season
like it wasn't clear enough
only?
i thought it was more or is that ST?
u just love to say random things all the time 
huh, why?
if this is true we are so back
question the gear faq speaks about: 'Dual crafted :crafting_ring: Ring of Earthen Craftsmanship are probably ideal.'
but the ring is unique-equipped isnt it?
same in EU
says 10% in guide on discord tho.
wemo
ur not NA
noob
get ur things checked
first
nah
dont typ
ei dont wanna hear it
what
ur not NA noob
im literally in northern america
nah
what are you talking about
nah
last time i checked northern america wasn't part of the NA union
i could see this if we didn't play the highest APM spec, i would hate playing at higher ping but different strokes ig
dont @ me
10% for what
u can equip 2 crafted ring
HO being behind KiR depending on targets in M+
the server is NA not NAU
exactly
yeah in high aoe count it can be up to 10%
but m+ isnt all aoe
thats why ur not NA
2x the ring of earthen craftmanship?

I am NA
fair
im not NAU
was just curious.
I am NA
ye
EU isnt a country
@frail veldt whats the diff between st kir vs ho
America is the only NA
exactly eu is a wow region
United states of myrican
get ur geography checked

same as cocks cocks can mean a cock or a chicken
!fuu
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leme find the SS solo shared
Central america
he should've named it Golf of America tbh what a missed opportunity
@tribal cosmos not a real place
just cause yall are bickering, I'm adding a map.
north and south
Gulf of america
where is central
wsup with ur names recently
on a compass
are u ok chicken soup
ss isn't soloshared its sinister strike...
ur map is outdated cuh
MM hunter suddenly finds 200k dps in sim day b4 the patch
Outdated map


xD
your face is weak.
4.4% behind on ST
thanks
do you play fatebound on HO now or Trickster tho
imo
everyone knows you play HO to aura farm, fuck the sims
fatebound for both in ST
trickster for both in aoe
what was the death tracker weakaura for the delve boss
like 2 weeks ago
and idk solo just shared it
that probably means solo ran it so it should be accurate
yes
yes
except KS not killing us
you shoot gun now
instead of dance around getting seasick
also trickster has double coup
Gun bam
what bug
double coup
KEKW
cant fix the bug
its a feature
bug was goated
the bug was having to use back to bakc
which sucked
honeslty the bug was bad gameplay
till then play old
oki
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The gap is like ~10% in AoE though right?
this shit being our BIS is giving me ptsd :item_arakarasacbrood: Ara-kara Sacbrood (Ara-Kara, City of Echoes), :item_pacemaker: Pacemaker (Floodgate), :item_trinket_soleah: Soleah's Technique (Tazavesh Gambit)
ye fatebound giga behind in aoe
yeah in sustained 8 target cleave its around 10%
which is about 3% more than last season
Ah okay
So about the same
HO did not fall that far behind I feel like theres been a narrative pushed
god i wish HO was better.. KiR sucks
I mean its all perspective
Yeah. Fr
Does anyone have the math for tier in vault
eh
play fatebound HO in keys to sandbag 
KiR earns its dps
Kir doesnt suck, GS and 1FTH sucks
@frail veldt what dps
whether you think it earns 6% is a different question
I think it earns around 3%
personally thats the gap I like between the two
considering hwo much easier HO is
What dps
but we dotn need to start this argument again haha
kir should be a little higher
Yeah HO is mad chill
sure those do suck.. but i feel like HO is way better playstyle wise for me anyways
BUT
What dps
HO does play a lot more smoothly and intuitively
What dps
what are you saying

HO is just chill
HO just flows better because the lows aren’t that bad. GS + 1fth lows are LOWS.
I mean KIR plays fine, its just more awk with trickster 1fth that kinda fucks the flow of the rotation but its fine as fatebound with 2fth
much more preferable to playing boring ass ho
we are still doing coup -> ks -> vanish thingy right
HO boring? 🙃
not exactly because you get 2 coup with new tier
Thats like saying outlaw is boring
OKAYGE
care to elaborate
Who crafting wep
If we get turbo season do you think we will scale better than the others?
no
pretty sure outlaw only gets worse with each season
as the pulls get bigger and bigger
you just have to play with the new 4 set and new KS to kind of get the flow of how it plays, but basically you just need to be careful about maintaining your ADR and not overcapping vanish charges because of double coup
and thet arget cap becomes a bigger and bigger problem
Don't let them keep you down king
outlaw has among the worst scaling in the game
Scale to your hearts content
as in when each season progresses
if not the outright worst
later in the season the worse teh spec
I mean we definitely have the worst stat scaling in the game without a doubt
but that's not the only factor to balance so we can get stronger in new seasons from tier and buffs
or whatever
early season outlaw is nice
after tanksa re doing like 9+ mobs in a pack
its joe
and secondary stats this xpac, especially this late into the xpac are giga valuable to most specs(more than mainstat) so it is kind of a semi-significant thing
surely next season they will give us acro back
I dont even mind. I like stacking vers
ye I mean I like having high vers, but the stat scaling being this bad is kind of shit
Vai, go to bed
TBH I'm surprised blizzard fixed KS, I didn't know they read the unsubscribe messages/feedback you can leave
im flaming every month like this 
can it just be removed?
@haughty moat literally that was my message when i unsubbed
i said i quit because KS is dogshit
!fuu
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Fan the hammer is now a 1 point talent
i love having no energy and pressing GS to go into generational energy debt
!wa
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
Blade flurry cap increased to 8 targets baseline
@vivid vessel
post this in assa channel
Can I have Weakaura for KS
Start a war
So this season = ks not shit but outlaw is?
!wa
Assa loves sand bagging
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
nah ks is still shit
dw
Assa sandbags more than outlaw sandbags
https://wago.io/IKLXk2kPQ @frail veldt
Still a good compromise
s2 tww
Bfa
legion
s2 tww?
u stay outlaw though?
has to be troll maybe
everytime i look at fuu sheet sin st is higher
Why would anyone stay outlaw?

0 burst, 0 prior, 0 utility, 0 party buff, target capped, 0 ST
ye for keys
Zac rolling frost dk
atrophic
huge buff
and not like every other rog spec has it but we ignore that part
huge
i stay outlaw cause playing assassination would just make me kill myself
Assa easy af
assa is crayon
This is actually facts
Although ret is probably better in trash ass pug groups
after rework
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
dude
dexter resurrection
is probably the best show of this entire decade
is it good?
my wife is watching it
ACTUALLY CRAZY
ok ill give it a chance then
she tried to convince me to watch it but ive been sop busy with karesh
okies
im not even kidding
do you need to watch the earlier seasons
how many episode left?
or is it standalone
theres 1 but
its not rly needed
but
u can
yes
watch this its good too
that one
wasn't original sin kinda crappy?
i enjoyed it
the new one is where hes in new york right?
ppl that watch dexter are like the ppl that watched all of lost 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩
first 4 seasons of og dexter are goated
idk whats lost flag
then that shit is slop
ye OG dexter was goatd
red flag
i hear resurrection is good
I binged most of the og dexter at some point
its 9.2 imdb and ITS NOT OVERRATED LOL
haven't watched it
then got bored during the last season and never finished
i heard original sin was kinda poopy diaper splatter tier
i watched about 5 episodes of dexter and it was fucking garbage and stopped
made my brain explode
but res is good
Dexter was good till later seasons
god I want her to step on my face so bad it's unreal
ROOMBA MONKEY
fast as lighting
its not about killing thats enjoyable
its just the entire show
its rly good
Dumb cat
naah man
this show blowed me hard ngl
my brain is gonna stay fried all week waiting for next episode
this was absolute cinema
this is your average tank in m+ gathering mobs
same IQ
watch el inocente
dexter last episode
mexican series?
i aint watching nothin south of the border brother
cuz
im at like s05
every episode makes u want to see more
stopped watching after 4
ah
because of last episode stuff
dexter should have been with hannah
Never watching any more dexter shit after the ending
i hate that she died
hannah was so beautiful bro
i didnt watch old dexters
Ending may have been the worst thing ive seen on tv
ok ima go watch dexter
lowkey just like
what happend spoil it i wont watch it
its dexter ressurection
yes
newest one
they should recast jack black to play dexter
2025
watch season 1-6 of og show
And then stop
XD
old one is omega giga goated
i think jim carrey would be better
it doesn't feel dated tbh
wait till u see dexter 2025
also
dont check the cast @vivid vessel
dont check the actors
trust me
just watch
ok
you'll love it more that way
like
watching it 0 spoilers
makes the show 1000000000000x better
ure reverse spoiled tho
u have no idea what happened before
idk what haappened before no
surprise motherfucker
IT WAS FROM THAT SHOW?
yes
