outlaw

[keen belfry]

idk the lat time i was under 50%

[pastel shore]

With the s3 tier, do we roll in subterfuge and if i have to KiR during subterfuge do i press rtb immediately after or w8 until subterfuge is over

[sudden fulcrum]

You’ll get it don’t give up king

[balmy topaz]

Can I have this WA

[keen belfry]

https://wago.io/J9WOMZH0w

[balmy topaz]

OIhh this was made by an officer in my guild lol

ty

[hybrid crown]

If you aren't making progress just get up and take a walk. Get a drink or just do something else for a while

[covert kestrel]

if you aren't making progress, dont bother showing up for raid

[hybrid crown]

Lol

[hybrid crown]

I'm glad I made the cut

[wanton wedge]

Guess im not raiding till the last week of the season lol

Because thats when i remember to do these delve bosses

[rare shoal]

Can we equip two Nightfall cudgels??? And do both procs hit or does it count as only one?

[wintry solar]

Me to my guildies when we run lfr

[tropic zephyr]

[willow portal]

fighting for 6:30 and only getting 50% is kinda dead

if only i was better at sin

[worldly shale]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

who is that

you ?

[tropic zephyr]

no it's tettles

[vivid vessel]

[tropic zephyr]

(yes it's me)

[vivid vessel]

what

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

[worldly shale]

maybe the numbers guy

[gaunt phoenix]

wait no

i want to laugh at tettles not you

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

too late

[rotund zodiac]

how many coffer keys can you get right now? 6?

[tropic zephyr]

kek

[random stirrup]

solo confirmed toxic

[worldly shale]

im at 6, so ig

i did everything xd

[tropic zephyr]

tbf I had many early death

[mighty pivot]

so it's never outlaw tier for you?

[rotund zodiac]

I see

[worldly shale]

I think 6 keys and 50 shards

[rotund zodiac]

I can take a break til reset now

[tropic zephyr]

now my boomer eyes can see the clones

[worldly shale]

is there a chest in undermine?

for an event?

forgor

[covert kestrel]

do i have to awaken the machine

[worldly shale]

yah, 50 shards

[gaunt phoenix]

i remember stocking up on keys for it to hardly matter

[covert kestrel]

[worldly shale]

ill just do all bountiful on reset

[wintry solar]

Why are you being mean to me today?

[vivid vessel]

it only matters for early prog guys really

[worldly shale]

to be stronker for +10s

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[mighty pivot]

wdym "today"

[worldly shale]

then they wont matter xd

[vivid vessel]

guyyys

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[balmy topaz]

?

[vivid vessel]

hero track with map?

yes

one map a week?

yes

[covert kestrel]

yes

[keen belfry]

my brann has died 4 pulls in a row wtf

[worldly shale]

cant wait to see zac at 710 on wednsday

[vivid vessel]

repair jhis gear

[vivid vessel]

i mean

which wednedsay?

[covert kestrel]

[vivid vessel]

not like tomorrow tomororw right

the one next week

or

[worldly shale]

TOMORROW TOMORROW

LEEEES GOOOO

[vivid vessel]

holy

that gotta be hard cuh

m+ is 704

[mighty pivot]

wednesday 15 august by blizzard's calendar

[vivid vessel]

like even if you loot eveery sllot

you are still 704

not 710

[worldly shale]

dont think we will even have

[vivid vessel]

so

[worldly shale]

crests?

right?

enough for all slots

[vivid vessel]

idk

You ain't spending crests on hc items tho so

That's not even a question

[worldly shale]

yuh

was a semi erect joke

[vivid vessel]

I think tho

On reset

I'm 704 right

Like next reset

[worldly shale]

should be

[vivid vessel]

704 is minimum

[worldly shale]

whens ur raid

[vivid vessel]

I think

[frail veldt]

Loooool

[vivid vessel]

Like Wednesday

[covert kestrel]

if you can manage +10s

[vivid vessel]

Thursday

[frail veldt]

Someone else doing the hard version

[vivid vessel]

Friday

[worldly shale]

yeah

[frail veldt]

Good to see it

[vivid vessel]

Saturday

Monday

Tuesday

[worldly shale]

ure 704 by one of those days

[vivid vessel]

[worldly shale]

[keen belfry]

mewo

[vivid vessel]

I took 2 weeks off

[keen belfry]

why do i suck

[vivid vessel]

Big gear

[vivid vessel]

Cause unc status

Old

How old

I forget

[keen belfry]

28

[vivid vessel]

Yep

[worldly shale]

grandpa

[vivid vessel]

It's over for you

[keen belfry]

i woke up early and did some work so i could pull this boss

[vivid vessel]

Do it as assa maybe ?

[keen belfry]

stf8

u

NOW

[worldly shale]

squats so ur knees dont give out?

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

I'm 32

If I can do it

You can

[vivid vessel]

Ok meow

You did it but

[frail veldt]

32 and haven't played in 3 months you got this awang

[vivid vessel]

Did you really do it

[frail veldt]

I did the hard version

Less geared than you

[vivid vessel]

You had to activate the easy mode to finish ..

[frail veldt]

What's that

[vivid vessel]

Anti-aliasing

[frail veldt]

Turn health bar off

[worldly shale]

turning anti aliasing

yes

AHHAHA

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah @keen belfry turn off HP bar

It helps

SO MUCH

[worldly shale]

insane how fast they

patched the WA

there was a wa on release

[frail veldt]

What wa

[worldly shale]

that would tell u which one

is the real one

and they patched it

[frail veldt]

Bro

That's

[worldly shale]

the same day

[frail veldt]

The easiest

Part

[worldly shale]

not with anti aliasing

[hybrid crown]

If you are dying to the clones try only looking at the red outline on the clone

[frail veldt]

I didn't mess that up a single time

In all my pulls

[vivid vessel]

wdym the easiest part

im like quite confident i can do all the other mechanics forever now

but that

that part

it scares me bro

[frail veldt]

BRO THE RP????

Zac

[vivid vessel]

yes ..

[worldly shale]

sometimes it speeds up, or stutters

[frail veldt]

Are your eyes slow

[vivid vessel]

Yes ..

[worldly shale]

i fixed that by locking fps lower

but still

[willow portal]

there is no difference in visual for the real clone

[vivid vessel]

It was the hardest part for me mewo

[frail veldt]

That's so wild to me

[willow portal]

i keep dying to the knifes now

:)

[worldly shale]

protein break

[random stirrup]

all so unc

[frail veldt]

By the end the lines was the thing I was actually dying to which is funny

Sometimes lines just overlap bad

[vivid vessel]

Pure skill issue

[worldly shale]

bro

[frail veldt]

The clones are so easy now

[vivid vessel]

[worldly shale]

i get

the clones thing

at 1%

i was like

[frail veldt]

Clones is a settings thing

[worldly shale]

if i mess it up

my hand

is going through

the monitor

[frail veldt]

LOL

[hybrid crown]

The nerves at the end

[frail veldt]

Then figuring out how to live the autos was the other hard part in the end

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

Mind numbing goes hard

[gaunt phoenix]

stop having fun in this game, we're supposed to hate it

[hybrid crown]

Reminded me of like fcing a long map in a music game

[vivid vessel]

solooooooo

do it

[worldly shale]

realized i didint have elusivness talented

so i died

like

[vivid vessel]

DO THE THING SOLO

[worldly shale]

15 times

[vivid vessel]

ITS FUN

[worldly shale]

on portals

[vivid vessel]

I SWEAR

[frail veldt]

Guy sure is quiet right now

[vivid vessel]

guy prolly wiped 500 times

[frail veldt]

Maybe he doesn't like when we're having fun

[random stirrup]

i think like 10% daggers 5% getting beat down 70% massacre 15% brann sewerslide

[vivid vessel]

dude mega unc status

[fluid meadow]

do u have turned this on? rn i can see the visuals wtf

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic killed kyveza yet ?

[frail veldt]

I didn't use this

[hybrid crown]

Once you figure out the red outline thing massacre becomes free

[frail veldt]

Is massacre the dash?

[random stirrup]

yeah

[frail veldt]

Interesting

0% mini game ofc

[keen belfry]

im so bad

guys

GUYS

[random stirrup]

i had cough attack once and still guessed it right

[vivid vessel]

80% minigame - 20% massacre

[random stirrup]

minigame too easy

[keen belfry]

let me go backt o m+

[covert kestrel]

awang stream it so we can cheer you on

[frail veldt]

For me it was like 40% massacre 30% lines 15% bran dying 15% me fucking dying

[vivid vessel]

30% lines?

unc

[frail veldt]

Yeah I tried zeros strat for too many pulls

Then just decided to stand still

And just dodge

And it was easy

But I died to it a lot before that

[dense bolt]

Ross baiting people since 2017

[frail veldt]

Zeros told me to just sprint away from boss

[dense bolt]

A classic

[fluid meadow]

there are clearly portals, i didn't see those until now just shadows and red lines

[frail veldt]

Yeah classic Ross bait

[frail veldt]

Portals???

I only see the clones and red line

[random stirrup]

the massacre guys come out of portals when they're spawning

[hybrid crown]

If you sprint and or grapple away you eliminate like 3 of the sets of lines from potentially causing an overlap death

If you get caught in a mess of lines you can cloak it

[keen belfry]

fine

[frail veldt]

Yeah but lose so much uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

tomorrow i get cudgel

[frail veldt]

In the end I just said fuck it we blast

Shit I haven't even tried for cudgel yet

Is that a daily thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[covert kestrel]

[frail veldt]

Weekly?

[covert kestrel]

yes

[frail veldt]

Kk

[hybrid crown]

What ilvl does cudgel from the weekly go to? 691?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[hybrid crown]

Heck yeah I need to go get that then

[gaunt phoenix]

it's rng

[hybrid crown]

Awwwww

[gaunt phoenix]

the bag from the quest

the vendor cudgel is 678 which is not really worth it, at least not for long

[keen belfry]

fronteir ims teaming

[covert kestrel]

youre not in the rogue streamer channel??

#riot

[keen belfry]

it never wroks

[gaunt phoenix]

i have a confession

i've been playing tbc

[pure folio]

but it makes me happy 😔

[gaunt phoenix]

at least it is still good for a bit

[wanton wedge]

Needs more blade flurry

[pure folio]

Blade flurry can only blade flurry so much

[vivid vessel]

dude

tf

[pure folio]

we use the crit fiber, right?

[vivid vessel]

vers

[gaunt phoenix]

it's charming

[vivid vessel]

or haste

[gaunt phoenix]

vers haste

[vivid vessel]

if you need the haste

[pure folio]

WHAT

NOOO

i just crafted the crit xD

ok ty

[vivid vessel]

Well it's basically free to craft

You can craft with r1 mats

[wanton wedge]

I just crafted all 4 so i can swap around when needed

[vivid vessel]

• they don't destroy themselves

So you just craft all 4 to swap spec and shit

[pure folio]

ohhh

[keen belfry]

can kyevza

[pure folio]

i thought they did get destroyed

[keen belfry]

stop resetting off my vanish

[pure folio]

thats sick

[vivid vessel]

awaaaang

yuo didnt listen my tech

[keen belfry]

she just did it

twice

in a row

[vivid vessel]

play wih the trinekt

the gooner trinket

[keen belfry]

which

[vivid vessel]

from mugzee

[keen belfry]

dude

3 in a row

WTF

i am usinug mugzee too

4 in a row

wtf is going on

[pure folio]

shes allergic to rogues

[vivid vessel]

nooba

[covert kestrel]

awang whats your twitch name

[keen belfry]

i have a call brb ill tell u when live again

sirawang69

[covert kestrel]

i followed while you were offline so make sure to shout me out when you go back

[keen belfry]

imt rying to diagnose why im so bad at this boss

[frail veldt]

Worst time for me is at the start of portals

Cuz brann is jumping

That always reset it

You can actually vanish during the mini game

And preserve adr if you want

[desert tendon]

Ban awang

Wtf

Self prom

[vivid vessel]

Bro I swear to God I never had it reset 💀

How

[frail veldt]

Yeah you also never had brann die

[keen belfry]

minje always resets

[frail veldt]

And took no auto damage

[keen belfry]

my brann always dies

[frail veldt]

We get it you had an easier fight

[dense bolt]

zac cheating on ??

Invalidate his run

[tired rune]

yeah bran dead its gg

reset randomness insues

[random stirrup]

fight would be 18x better if brann didn't exist and it was just tuned around classes not being fully self sustainable

[worldly shale]

Pilav is about to do kyveza

[frail veldt]

He died on my kill run

He comes back

[tired rune]

yeah I'm just saying there's a chance for a reset when he's dead

[worldly shale]

Cant wait to see how frustrated hes about to be xd

[frail veldt]

But some classes are

[frail veldt]

Aaah

[frail veldt]

Who dat

[worldly shale]

Warrior guy

Pretty degen

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

look at dps lmao

i think maghar orc is omega turbo broken this season

i did way more burst than casual same rota

scales like crazy

i think most of it is tank dependant tho

[vivid vessel]

fuck assa

[proven ocean]

dude

zac

60% more dps

nightclaws is 3.9k btw

or even 4k now idk

he always plays boomkin every season

maghar is giga broken op

but i feel like nelf is the play for consistency

[vivid vessel]

ok well tbf thats 2 packs ross

calm down

but ye

assa turbo op

[proven ocean]

nah zac

maghar does 20% more dps

in cds

[vivid vessel]

20

[desert tendon]

it s not assa op

it s outlaw shit

[vivid vessel]

!!

[proven ocean]

or 10% idk

[vivid vessel]

10 %

i mean maybe

in s1 it felt similar idk

like in keys

maghar feels more impactful

idk

[hollow coyote]

1. Do we KS during vanish windows?
2. If I'm outside of Vanish and it's up, but I have 5 combo points and BtE is up, should I BtE first, then Vanish after with 5 combo? Or just pop Vanish even if BtE is up

[torpid fiber]

1. No
2. No

[unique fulcrum]

NEVER Ks in Vanish

[torpid fiber]

BtE being on CD is not a condition we care about or something you should really track tbh
I don't know the current sims but I suspect you can somewhat get away with only using BtE for buff upkeep and be fine

[gaunt phoenix]

dont really need to think about whether bte is up or not for vanish

optimally fatebound can think about it but it's so minimal

[dense bolt]

ok but i have a question, what if im in my vanish window on a raid boss with 1% health left and i have KS up do i still not ks?

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix Ban mr bost

[torpid fiber]

1% is a lot, you have time to finish the window and then ks

smh

[worldly shale]

Does it matter

[dense bolt]

Ok vveevv

What if boss dies before subt is gone

And ks is up

Now what

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

your final dps probably wont move whether you press ks or not

[vivid vessel]

ks

[grim spear]

shit

2 resets in row

[vivid vessel]

shiiit

[torpid fiber]

gz u killed boss

[dense bolt]

i love delves

quit raiding for delves honestly

big vibes

[unique fulcrum]

gotta be ragebait

[sudden fulcrum]

[dense bolt]

[frigid cloud]

guys do you think oitlaw is good for single target or reaid this seasson ?

[unique fulcrum]

yes and for m+

you can do anything

in the game

as outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

its prob good enough

[frigid cloud]

compaired to ass ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

i dont think sin will look all that amazing in the raid

just normal

[short heath]

Dont they play assa in progress?

[gaunt phoenix]

depends on boss

[dense bolt]

they play dagger spec cuz crafting

so prob sin/sub for early prog

[keen belfry]

brann

keeps

dtying

MOVE OUTTA THE CIRCLE BRAN

[gaunt phoenix]

also there's a difference between rwf prog and your prog

[covert heart]

Imma get my obr ready to go its only a 35% loss

[dense bolt]

you gotta micromanage him awang l2p

[keen belfry]

move brann

[covert kestrel]

"if you have to ask if a spec is viable, you aren't the player that it will matter for"

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont like this answer but there is at least some truth in there

it's more like your prog probably doesnt need a certain rogue spec to kill the boss

[hybrid crown]

If brann ever dies and drops a circle in a weird place you can just do your best to still make a triangle shape and let grapple do the rest

[random stirrup]

they’re pulling us in champion!!!

[strong saffron]

hi guys is outlaw viable in 7/8 normal prog

[covert heart]

Prob not

[glass mortar]

y r 2 of ur portals so close to each other

are u not evenly spacing urs in the third obvious position

[covert heart]

Normal is 2 hard gotta try lfr first

[glass mortar]

thats probably why hes getting sucked in

[vocal sage]

quick question. I know Wowhead says not to replace season 2 tier set until I get 4 piece from season 3. Does this still apply if my 4 set from season 2 is only around 660 ish Ilvl? TY!

[hybrid crown]

You can live even if 2 portals are stacked and you move the third far away (thanks brann)

[covert kestrel]

sim it yoself angle

[covert heart]

I thought i read 2/2 fatebound is fine as well

But maybe I misread

[gaunt phoenix]

1. for fatebound (raid), you will use 2pc immediately
2. for trickster. you probably wont break it

[vocal sage]

TY all

[covert heart]

Oh so I did read it right sweeet

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have 2pc/2pc, then deciding between fatebound and trickster is awkward

[keen belfry]

my brann is a dumbass man

he randomly places his portal

all the time

[glass mortar]

wtf role do u have him on

[keen belfry]

idiot

[glass mortar]

my brann does that fight perfectly everytime

[keen belfry]

healer

[glass mortar]

never had him die once

[keen belfry]

my brann literally perma dies

[gaunt phoenix]

if i get 2pc and not 4pc i will probably use fatebound everywhere and ignore trickster until 4pc

[covert heart]

I was just gonna do 2/2 st raid bosses fatebound and then go back to old 4 piece for everything else

[glass mortar]

maybe try leveling up ur branns brain

what level is ur brann

[covert heart]

But maybe just fatebound all around is better at that point

[keen belfry]

43

[glass mortar]

ur

joking

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel ?

[hybrid crown]

That's pretty low

[glass mortar]

hes half the level of previous season cap

he probably dies in 1 mechanic tick

never dies at level 80

u get what u deserve

[hybrid crown]

I am pretty sure your brann has the same hp as you though

So that shouldn't matter too much

[glass mortar]

u need his intelligence to scale

[fluid meadow]

brann is just an idiot sometimes wants to solo

[glass mortar]

😏

[keen belfry]

look at this combo

int drop into run into circle

and die

bran sometimes just never heals me

ive died thru feint vial on suck so many times

[glass mortar]

hes probably confused

doesnt have the coding of s3 delves

since hes still s1 delve level

[worldly shale]

u should have evasion up too

[vivid vessel]

even your brann is bad at the game

you know what they say

[worldly shale]

almost every time

if not then claok

[vivid vessel]

same shit as with dogs

like master like dog

[near rock]

yes sirrrrr

fatebound 4 life

I aint speccing trickster once this tier

[gaunt phoenix]

real

i do want to use fatebound in my shitter keys

fuck trickster

[worldly shale]

https://www.twitch.tv/pilavpowa

Insane

Hes at like 20 tries

Didnt see him get past 80% XD

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry I got an Aug player in my comments

[keen belfry]

it just

reset

at

11

%

[vivid vessel]

Play the gooner trinket and stfu

[frail veldt]

NOO

at which part of the fight?

[vivid vessel]

Might as well send some ho fatebound keys while you are at it cuh

[frail veldt]

I mean you did do it on ez mode

no auto damage

cakewalk

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[keen belfry]

ive been playing it!!!

[frail veldt]

they adapt the fight to the detected players skill

had to give you the easy one

[frail veldt]

and another zac ez mode benefit

he didnt get resets

in all attempts

[keen belfry]

i had 4 in a row today

[frail veldt]

lol

which part of the fight

awang

[vivid vessel]

Ye 0 resete

But that's skill issues tho

Cause it's the same in open world

I don't reset my mobs

Just play better

[frail veldt]

nah its very different

did you see my clip

[frail veldt]

I had insta resets

[keen belfry]

yeah he insta

look

[frail veldt]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

Awang show me the trinket

[frail veldt]

portals

I TOLD YOU

[vivid vessel]

You are using

[frail veldt]

awang

you cant vanish

when portals start

its not the trinket zac stfu

[keen belfry]

look at bottom row

[frail veldt]

its not like the goons have 100% uptime anyway

[keen belfry]

next to kezan bro

[frail veldt]

so its irrelevant

but seriously @keen belfry do not vanish at the start of portal phase

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[frail veldt]

it will always reset

[vivid vessel]

That should be fine then

Idk

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue maybe

[frail veldt]

mine did the exact same thing

zac did fight on ez ignore him

his advice is useless

[vivid vessel]

Maybe I'm just better lol

[near rock]

woah woah I’d never play HO fatebound. That’s like mixing spaghetti and peanut butter. They have their own place just not together

[frail veldt]

well

peanut butter goes great in a ramen sauce

and spaghetti isnt that far from a ramen noodle

[toxic laurel]

if possible try to macro vanish with pistol shot or something

[frail veldt]

its not that

watch the fucking videos

the boss insta resets

its a bug that happens if you vanish at the start of portal phase

I thinik its because brann becomes untargetable while hes moving to the position for the suck

[toxic laurel]

[frail veldt]

once I stopped vanishing at the start of portal phase I got 0 resets @keen belfry

[vivid vessel]

Try being better at the game unc?

Mewo you want a pov of rank one speed outlaw rogue ?

[frail veldt]

you dont even know whats going on in the fight

lol

[keen belfry]

i think i need to sit up more in gamer chair

[frail veldt]

you skipped half the difficulty

[vivid vessel]

Hahahaha

[frail veldt]

with rng

[vivid vessel]

Bro so mad I just pressed defs

And I never reset mobs in open world

[frail veldt]

yeah those defs for sure save brann from dying

thats how that works

[vivid vessel]

Cause I'm better than them

[frail veldt]

this guy lol

didnt even do it on ???

[vivid vessel]

I don't need brasn

[frail veldt]

and is talkin smack

[frail veldt]

how would you know

he never died

[sacred rune]

zac, check your dm's

[covert kestrel]

he wants to sell yo supplements

[vivid vessel]

I cantd fuu u will miss my train

I'm running rn

[sacred rune]

oh

[frail veldt]

LOL

[sacred rune]

haha

then check on the train

[vivid vessel]

Ye I will cuh

@frail veldt I'm doing kyveza half naked just so you stfu

[keen belfry]

i hate that zac gapped me

[frail veldt]

how half

[covert kestrel]

pooh bear style

[frail veldt]

what ilvl

just go full naked who cares about a "half naked" kill

[vivid vessel]

I remove all the non tier slots and keep weapons and ring for haste

And trinket so I don't reset

[frail veldt]

HAHAHAHA

[vivid vessel]

Like -40 Ilvl prolly

Or more

[frail veldt]

so youre 650 ilvl

[vivid vessel]

Idk will see

Idk how low that will bring me

[frail veldt]

oh I didnt even use consumes I ran out and was too stubborn and didnt want to go out and by more and have to listen to the rp again

[vivid vessel]

• no consumes

[frail veldt]

turn on AA

lol

and healthbars

[vivid vessel]

Haha

No

Ok

[frail veldt]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

Sure

[frail veldt]

why not just not use gooner trinket

thats what I did

clearly it doesnt help that much with resets

since awang is still getting them

a lot

[vivid vessel]

I don't wanna risk it cuh

Orrr

[frail veldt]

just do it

until you get a reset

[vivid vessel]

Ok..

[frail veldt]

honestly just as a test

to see if the trinket actually does what you say

[vivid vessel]

It will hard tilt me it I Perma reset tho

[frail veldt]

I mean

yeah it tilted us too

[vivid vessel]

Ye but you it's cause skill issue

[dapper shuttle]

for me she only reset if i vanished during the memory game

[frail veldt]

we'll see

[frail veldt]

lol I could sit in stealth thew hole memory game

and she wouldnt reset

it was great

held adr the whole time

[vivid vessel]

I play stealth less build

Gsw

[keen belfry]

i think zac jus got lucky

hes bad

[vivid vessel]

Haha

Bro so mad

[frail veldt]

I mean he def got a little lucky

35 pulls 0 brann deaths 0 resets

[vivid vessel]

??

[frail veldt]

thats pretty saucy

[shut lichen]

no brann deaths?

[vivid vessel]

I mean my bran is twice yours ilvl bro

[shut lichen]

holy

[frail veldt]

yeah so he says

[vivid vessel]

He died a few time at first

When he was learning the fight

Then he stopped

[frail veldt]

LOL

[shut lichen]

LMAO even

[mighty pivot]

zac gave his brann performance enhancing drugs

[vivid vessel]

You guys so mad I'm just better

Ain't no war

Wae

[shut lichen]

I did it as sin and it was aight

i bet it would have been easier as Law

[keen belfry]

zac so bad no cap

[vivid vessel]

Ye lol

[keen belfry]

tune in

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw is op

[keen belfry]

watch me cook you

[vivid vessel]

Can't die

[keen belfry]

first try

[frail veldt]

im more jealous of your brann

[vivid vessel]

Unless your name is mewo

[keen belfry]

im gonna cook u

just reset boss

hmm

outside of

protals

[shut lichen]

brann being a hunter and disengaging into a easily telegraphed one shot mechanic

[vivid vessel]

I won't

[shut lichen]

prophetic shit

[frail veldt]

clip it

[frail veldt]

every fucking time

[keen belfry]

w

[covert kestrel]

Slow fingies

[shut lichen]

my favorite interaction is sub

[vivid vessel]

You went afk after vanish or

[shut lichen]

you press shadow dance and she goes off to hunt ur brann

[keen belfry]

he insta goes away its good

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[frail veldt]

lol what why

wonder if sub has some weird thing where they drop threat before they dance cuz blizz had threat issues with subs burst lol

[shut lichen]

idk she just drops threat for a bit

it's why you got to hold cds for after portals or she just can't be touched

for most of ur burst

[frail veldt]

yeah I feel like portals is the most free time to hit her

or after guessing game you have like 10 seconds

[shut lichen]

after guessing game imo

[mighty pivot]

dance drops threat yes

[shut lichen]

u got to make sure u position well to make it easier to face the adds

so after portals aint as calm for me

[proven summit]

Can't be a threat when u a shadow Mayne

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

LOL

NO WAY

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt I got my train

[frail veldt]

hahahahahahahhahaha

[frail veldt]

proud of you

[vivid vessel]

It has always been this way mewo

[cedar kernel]

[frail veldt]

catching a train to work sounds stressful

[vivid vessel]

Always been quite weird

Ye

Well no

I just have to wait 30 min if I don't

[frail veldt]

you literally had to run you said

[vivid vessel]

Which I cba

[frail veldt]

yeah then youre 30 mins late

fuck that

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[mighty pivot]

just work from home

[vivid vessel]

Fr

Good thing I took 2 weeks off

Like the degenerate that I am

Holy holy

[frail veldt]

lolol

two

[mighty pivot]

to get to 710 in one day?

[frail veldt]

weeks

brother

[vivid vessel]

First time I'm able to take weeks off

[frail veldt]

youre insane

[vivid vessel]

For wow

What a banger

[vivid vessel]

It's just from Wednesday to next friday

[frail veldt]

I guess french people get hella days off

[vivid vessel]

And there is a day holiday in betwen

So it's not that much

It's like 7 days

[frail veldt]

whenever I take days off I just have more work to do when I get back

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[frail veldt]

oh thats convenient

[vivid vessel]

Ye

I mean I just took 7 days off

[gaunt phoenix]

Are we live

[vivid vessel]

It's not that much

[frail veldt]

probably

im alive

[gaunt phoenix]

Wait it's monday tf

Sleep

[vivid vessel]

Wake up in 2 days gg

[frail veldt]

isnt solo NA?

[glass mortar]

ok wtf fatebound kir do be simmin st now

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[frail veldt]

youre so french it hurts

[glass mortar]

this is like 300k over my trickster sims of the build i been using

[gaunt phoenix]

Yea

I didnt really think about it

even before tier

Fatebound was buffed and trickster didnt gain much after ks cd

[frail veldt]

wonder at what target count does fatebound lose though

or like what target count uptime

cuz some of these bosses are mostly ST

but have some adds

does that just nuke fatebound damage cuz of the coin passive

[gaunt phoenix]

Just wont know until i see the raid

[vivid vessel]

What a shit hero tree

I hate having a hero talent so ahead in st

While our m+ st sucks

And there is nothing you can do about it

Gg

[frail veldt]

yeah its like the worst case scenario for blizz tuning you poorly

strong ST hero tree that is bad in aoe

[quaint wharf]

Is fatebound actually good this tier? Or just better than trickster

For st

[frail veldt]

it was good last tier

it simmed about the same as trickster in ST

for kir

[glass mortar]

well whatd o u mean by actually good vs just good vs trickster

in st we are middle of the pack in sims

[frail veldt]

I think were actually further down the pack

[glass mortar]

and fatebound st is light years ahead of trickster

[frail veldt]

than last season

[glass mortar]

so yea

[frail veldt]

so fatebound is worse

but its more ahead of trickster

cuz trickster got WAY worse in ST

[quaint wharf]

comparatively to the pack ye

[frail veldt]

relative to the pack

[frail veldt]

yeah then were worse than last season

fatebound is

[quaint wharf]

sadge

[frail veldt]

I think last season we were simming near the top right?

oh its close

we moved down about 10 spots lol

nvm

not that close

[twin thunder]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[strong halo]

But we are ahead of other rogues

[frail veldt]

we were last season

outlaw always sims ahead of the other specs

if it didnt

we would be in BIG trouble

well ill say usually but yeah when it isnt the highest simming then were very behind

cuz outlaw performs a lot further from its sim than the other specs do in my experience

[strong halo]

surely theres gna be at least 2 tunings next week

[frail veldt]

honestly

Id rather them wait

tuning when people are wearing old tier

is pretty fucking stupid

[strong halo]

usually they do 1 more before raid release

[frail veldt]

ngl

like

[quaint wharf]

yeah

[frail veldt]

very very stupid

its one of the dumbest things they do

[quaint wharf]

im down to wait as well

m0 tuning

lol

[frail veldt]

yeah like why tune now

we arent even playing the season yet

[calm osprey]

KS Ticking damage taken
Rest in Peace, time to delete this WA lol

[frail veldt]

delete all trace

[lyric blade]

It's because the PTR is still running and the week 1 tuning is based off that, not your M0 pugs

[frail veldt]

crazy cuz it always seems so misguided

[lyric blade]

It will seem like that when we are 40 ilev below what you have access to on the PTR, they tune for top end not casual andies

[frail veldt]

ptr is full myth track with tier right?

[frail veldt]

I know but thats what im saying is misguided

in my experience their tuning lines up with week 1 raid logs not ptr

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/exterminador-do-futuro-gif-20118743

[lyric blade]

Almost all tuning is Raid based as well, MPlus is an afterthought. Till we get a MPlus system similar to PVP where we can choose 3-5 abilities that are only in effect in dungeons alot of classes will suffer in Mplus vs Raid

[mighty pivot]

midnight's KS rework is around the corner

[vivid vessel]

bro i legit cannot wait for ks rework !

[frail veldt]

yeah it def feels like they tune in favor of live raid though

not ptr

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix are you hyped

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[lyric blade]

Have to remember that even Blizzard doesn't know the Outlaw rotation. The 1 button assistant is most detrimental to Outlaw at a 35% loss vs just 8% less on Augvoker. Our fault for picking the best class that they dont know how to tune

[frail veldt]

I dont think thats because of the rotation

thats because the gcd

[mighty pivot]

OBR only doesn't vanish or AR right?

the rest it does ok

[frail veldt]

we simmed the gcd penalty alone

[lyric blade]

You can macro those into 1 button if you really want to be lazy and make the normie outlaws look better

[frail veldt]

even with perfect sim

and it was like 20% I think

@gaunt phoenix do you remember?

[vivid vessel]

idk why there is a gcd penalty

[frail veldt]

how much the gcd penalty was dps loss on outlaw

[vivid vessel]

instead of a flat -50% damage

[frail veldt]

with still using community apl

[vivid vessel]

like its silly to have a gcd penalty

[frail veldt]

cuz theyre stupid

[vivid vessel]

ye i know that

[weary fog]

One button doesn’t even do the rotation right I think

[frail veldt]

nah but I think theres some reasons

like you cant have a dps penalty necessarily cuz it might feel bad to the player

like having all your buttons do less damage

vs still getting to hit big aimed shots and rapid fires

but just "slower"

[vivid vessel]

eh

[gaunt phoenix]

stop pinging @gaunt phoenix

[weary fog]

I think I remember it using wrong finishers in subterfuge and not rtbing if u had a single cto buff

[frail veldt]

I think is better for a new player

sorry solo

[mighty pivot]

you trust that they will do that more reliably than just having the increased gcd?

[vivid vessel]

sorry @gaunt phoenix

[vivid vessel]

a flat aura nerf ?

xd?

[lyric blade]

OBR is supposed to be for world content or handicapable peoples not high level content

[vivid vessel]

yes ?

[vivid vessel]

except thats not the case

legit 95% of wow players

[mighty pivot]

it's an aura nerf based on casting via the OBR button, vs just having the OBR act normally but invoke a longer gcd

[vivid vessel]

get out damaged

[frail veldt]

I just know the player sentiment wouldnt receive a flat damage reduction as well

[vivid vessel]

by this

[frail veldt]

so even though its imbalanced to do a gcd penalty

maybe its the right decision

so maybe not stupid

[lyric blade]

Come Midnight when we lose most addons and tracking we'll all be OBR then everyone will be same dps

[frail veldt]

we aint losing addons

[mighty pivot]

BlizZard will raid your fridge and steal all your choccy milk with midnight's release 👍 🏄‍♀️ 🏄‍♂️

[craggy barn]

gcd penalty to reduce hand strain when spamming the button

and increase reaction time leeway

remember its a disability tool as well

[vivid vessel]

what are you reacting to

[lyric blade]

How much of that spam is double presses vs actual clicks ready to be sent

[craggy barn]

obr talk im too lazy to reply to

[cinder relic]

..?

[late swallow]

KS rework is gonna go crazy

[mighty pivot]

guy is here

[cinder relic]

I dont even think ret paladin is "Played properly" by one button rotation

[late swallow]

who would win in an "well acktchually" battle: mewo or guy?

[lyric blade]

OBR on ret is a large loss, but next recommended on Ret is only 5% loss

[frail veldt]

I think they released the APLs right?

[vivid vessel]

well ye

[frail veldt]

did anyone do a simcraft of the OBR without gcd penalty?

[vivid vessel]

ye

like everyone

[frail veldt]

so what were the results

whos rotation is the most right

[vivid vessel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/estimated-dps-loss-with-highlight-assist-and-one-button-rotation-in-patch-11-2-378081 you even had a wowhead article

littelay today

[frail veldt]

seems pretty propper

[lyric blade]

Thats not OBR Mewo thats next recommended. OBR is -25%

[frail veldt]

oof

[frail veldt]

im aware

thats without gcd penalty

[cedar kernel]

[frail veldt]

obr and assisted are the same apl

[vivid vessel]

thats before gcd penalty btw

[frail veldt]

afaik

[frail veldt]

I know

[vivid vessel]

ye

they are

[frail veldt]

yeah im looking at how accurate their apl is

these seem to be the lowest losses

[hybrid crown]

That left column is highlighted assist

The right one is obr

[vivid vessel]

warlock apl

[frail veldt]

interesting

so

the specs that lose the most dps

from the assisted

3/4 of them are rogue

hahahahah

[vivid vessel]

well ye

its energy specs that spam spells

[frail veldt]

oh sorry WW actually is the most at 24%

[vivid vessel]

and the ones that loses less

[frail veldt]

well this is assisted

[vivid vessel]

are dot specs

oh

well

[frail veldt]

this is blizzard rotation accuracy

they dont know how rogue or ww works apparently

[vivid vessel]

casters are easy mew o

thats it

[frail veldt]

or those specs are too complicated