outlaw

[compact narwhal]

brann making a campfire half the time :(

[proven ocean]

any line mechanic u have to face

any mechanic really

u have to like

wiggle ur charecter for 0.000001 yards

on that direction

for it to be giga accurate

because ur charecter might look at that line but it doesnt really look at it

so u think its bugged but its not

its a visual bug but its also a game mechanic that u need to understand

moving backwards 1 yard while facing the line is gonna guarantee you not dying

it'll probably take you a long time to actually understand movement but you'll get it

[daring oxide]

outlaw is a bit broken OP for kyveza

we are so hard to kill compared to other classes

[proven ocean]

ye

way harder

btw

vai

[daring oxide]

ye

[proven ocean]

i survived like

5-6 phaseds

on my 651 dk

LOL?

[daring oxide]

huh?

[proven ocean]

phases*

ye

iamgine

imagine

its way easier

[strong halo]

im doing like 2.2M sustained on kyvez is that good enough?>

[proven ocean]

on dk

[daring oxide]

lol

[proven ocean]

its not even close

[daring oxide]

yes

[strong halo]

got her to like 60%

[daring oxide]

2.2m is good

[proven ocean]

u just spec blood and u never die

[daring oxide]

i killed her with 2.19 sustained

but i was at 2.8mil early on but intermission tanks dps towards the end

[strong halo]

i only ever die to the fucken staring thing

[proven ocean]

im 0% sure i can kill it on my 651 dk because

[daring oxide]

on kyveza?

[proven ocean]

he gets dmg amp buff every pohase

ye

on kyveza

[daring oxide]

i see

[proven ocean]

im 651 so i do 0 dps

[daring oxide]

so

[proven ocean]

but i can survive for idk 10 phases maybe

[daring oxide]

u get hit by stuff and dont die?

[proven ocean]

no u do die but

circles that do aoe pulse

never kill u

auto atk never kills u

it just amps by 10% after every phase thats why my dk dies later but i died to error on 6th phase

[strong halo]

@proven ocean how many attempts did it ake u?

[proven ocean]

idk

didnt check

i killed it like 2nd try after eating dinner tho

i was giga hungry beforehand

[daring oxide]

wait

[lime lake]

food buff op

[daring oxide]

the damage gets higher after each phase?

[proven ocean]

ye

[lime lake]

yes

[proven ocean]

he does 10% more dps

[daring oxide]

what

i had no idea lmao

it didn't really feel like it

[proven ocean]

thats why on 1 aoe pulse u never feint or evasion

[tribal cosmos]

yea thats why you have to press feint more often after 5th phnase

[proven ocean]

soothing darkness is enough

1st aoe pulse*

[daring oxide]

i just played eluvsiveness

and used evasin

evasion for the pulses

it was enough

and i used crimson vial during killing spree

[tribal cosmos]

fuck

i have to do my shaman delves and m0s still ...

sigh

[proven ocean]

challenge is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier on blood dk

its not even close

like

omega easier

[strong halo]

ok am i crazy or theres 1 combination of clones where u have to do 6 180s thats impossible

[proven ocean]

its ez idk

[vivid vessel]

Waiit

[proven ocean]

u just need to know how to flick

[vivid vessel]

I hadn't realized that vurai

[daring oxide]

lol

[vivid vessel]

I like noticed you could phial in ks

[daring oxide]

its a free heal during KS

[vivid vessel]

But I didn't realize

[daring oxide]

ya

[vivid vessel]

It was free

[daring oxide]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Cause it's on GCD

That's kinda crazy ngl

[daring oxide]

yup

[vivid vessel]

That goes hard af

[daring oxide]

whenever i press KS

i get bored

[proven ocean]

oh a gcd in KS

[daring oxide]

and i press vial lmao

[proven ocean]

thats crazy

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

i did do it too but i never realized that was a thing

[daring oxide]

im surprised you didn't catch onto this before haha

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[daring oxide]

i found out back in ptr when doing dummies

[vivid vessel]

I mean I did it

I just idk

I didn't realize

It was a GCD spell

[daring oxide]

ye

like it doesn't make sense

[vivid vessel]

That we did during ks

[proven ocean]

cant u also feint or

[daring oxide]

but its a defensive

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[daring oxide]

u can feint yup

all defensives

[vivid vessel]

Ye you can feint evasion and shit

[daring oxide]

including gcd vial

can you use trinkets during KS?

[proven ocean]

just cant kick or

[daring oxide]

i never tried

cant kick yup

[proven ocean]

kick part is kinda cooked we should be able to kick

[daring oxide]

ya

it is

it was in feedback so much too

blizzard thinks we shouldn't kick :0

[proven ocean]

we'll get a fix after 5 expansions

dont worry

[daring oxide]

prob intentional

they want us to choose

between kick

or ks

before upcoming cast 😄

[proven ocean]

nah

there are many cringe kicks in M+ vurai

that u need to kick insta

[daring oxide]

ye i know

i will defo interupt KS for them

[proven ocean]

like

[daring oxide]

its just feels bad

[proven ocean]

im genuinely convinced they aren't designing the game based on alot of things

they are just doing random shit

like

things dont connect to each other

any change they make feels wrong all the time in one way or another

[vivid vessel]

Kicks and Ccs should be allowed

Like idk

[torpid fiber]

Wait I had no clue you can do this, that's huge

[proven ocean]

like they had gcds on almost every defensive in the game long ago

"just plan it"

but then

[vivid vessel]

Half my ks on packs I have to interrupt early or just not kick causr I'm a little bitch casting ks Perma

[proven ocean]

uget a boulder which shoots at u with a 0.1 sec cast

like

wtf is that

[vivid vessel]

Bro zeross

Have you noticed

The new thing

In these new dungeons

[proven ocean]

what

[vivid vessel]

The casts without casts

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

So you just get one shot instead

[proven ocean]

the

wait

wtf

i thought u meant fish sticks

[vivid vessel]

Like a bunch of mobs just do damage without casts now

[proven ocean]

ye idk why they're doing that

[torpid fiber]

I'm selfish as fuck I'm just letting casts go off in M0s

[proven ocean]

fish sticks are giga cringe

idk if they fixed them

[vivid vessel]

And a lot of these mobs in high keys you will need to track the cds of abilities instead

Cause otherwise you get one shot

But you won't know it's on you

So gl

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Every press defs every 30 s

[proven ocean]

reminds me of cat in mists

[vivid vessel]

Ye same shit

Exactly

[proven ocean]

cast time is 1 sec or less or someshit and every cc is on gcd

so u cannot react

LOL

[vivid vessel]

Well they have a cast time

Now they don't

Like for example in halls after first boss

Idk if you did it a bit

They have these eviscerate mobs

They jump on people and kill them

No cast time, you don't know who is targeted either

Just a guy dies suddenly

[proven ocean]

man idk if this season is gonna be great with these dungeon tunings ngl

[vivid vessel]

Same in gambit before 2nd boss they removed the cast time from the dudes that throw their things

And it's a circle that bounce on people

So when it's throwing on meeles

[proven ocean]

ngl im so un excited for this season m+

[vivid vessel]

You all will get half hped from nothing

You can't know you can't spread anymore, there is no cast time

Xd

But ye

I thought you weren't playing next season anywya ross

[proven ocean]

idk

still thinking

cuz

the job offer apparently went under an elephant's ass and i didnt receive a phonecall

ig im happy about that i can play wow maybe

[proven ocean]

M+ definitely not i think

doesnt look appealing to me i think

i might but idk

[vivid vessel]

I mean you say that

But it's still m+

And how meta sin is

I don't see you not playing lol

[daring oxide]

zac tomorrow im gonna do kyveza again until i am sub 7min kill

8min kill make me unsatisfied

[ripe ibex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hybrid crown]

You should do it on a second outlaw rogue

I have a friend who did that they said lol imagine doing the delve boss on one character and bragging about it

Side note

Was this boss available on ptr

[daring oxide]

dunno

i didnt do it on ptr

i have a feeling it wasnt?

[daring oxide]

im gonna try it on hunter next because outlaw was a bit too cheesy

[vivid vessel]

Haha

[daring oxide]

didn't have to worry about my hp but hunter will be more challenging

[vivid vessel]

I was thinking of trying to do a quick kill as well

I was really not focusing on DPS at all

Cause it's quite hard

[daring oxide]

no your kill is already too fast

you should just relax 🙂

wait until i beat your timer

[vivid vessel]

Okok

Well I wanna prepare next week raid a bit

As much as I can at least

[daring oxide]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Prep def cds

[daring oxide]

go watch some videos

ye

[vivid vessel]

Imma do that

[daring oxide]

do ya spreadsheet etc

[vivid vessel]

Well no video

[daring oxide]

i did mine earlier this week

[vivid vessel]

I know the bosses from ptr and there is no video till the bosses are out

But ye

[daring oxide]

got all my kaze WAs for defensives ready for every boss except dimmy

[hybrid crown]

I untalented gs so I don't have to press it. I probably should have just macrod it

[vivid vessel]

I just wanna do my weak aura and tomerd

[daring oxide]

tomerd?

[vivid vessel]

Timers

[daring oxide]

ahh ok

do i need to update zac pack btw?

i did on wednesday but dunno if u pushed anymore changes?

your WA group

[gaunt phoenix]

tomerdis

[proven ocean]

fuck

#bansleeping

[covert kestrel]

Beo

[frank finch]

lvl 86 brann dont do nothing on kyveza ??

he gets his ass cheeks claped

[desert tendon]

that can get a meaning in french

[vivid vessel]

Ks sound

Like 3 days ago idk

After reset I did it

[desert tendon]

almost

[vivid vessel]

Brb sleep

[desert tendon]

do a quick sleep please, be right back in 20mn or so

ty

[proven ocean]

Brb sleep

[tribal cosmos]

brb sleep

[frank finch]

brb nap

[tribal cosmos]

@vivid vessel its time

To create a poll

“ did you beat tazavesh hard mode “

Deathless

[desert tendon]

who havent done that 4 years ago?

[tribal cosmos]

New mechanics with dumb players

[sullen narwhal]

Im actually mad that ks is 3 min cd now that it actually feels pretty good to use

[haughty wigeon]

why

its real cd is like

1min

or something

[sullen narwhal]

This blows for trick especially, i feel like im getting significantly less coups

I have a 50/50 feeling that this happened due to the next tier set, but they also massively increased the damage so im not sure.

[vivid vessel]

20 s

[haughty wigeon]

i mean theres some cringe things

[haughty wigeon]

ah ty zac

[torpid fiber]

oh god I just remembered that I'm going to have to desperately pug normal raid next week ouagh

[haughty wigeon]

wait

[inland acorn]

How it's still 20 sec

[haughty wigeon]

new ks real cd is 20 seconds?

[vivid vessel]

Brb sleep

[haughty wigeon]

@vivid vessel

[sullen narwhal]

The flurry nerf also seems significant

[inland acorn]

No shot it's still 20 sec

with increased CD

[vivid vessel]

Too late I'm already skeeping

[inland acorn]

Unless with new tier and double coup

[vivid vessel]

Old one was 15 s

[inland acorn]

it evens out

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Ye I'm talking with new tier

Tho it should be similar

Certainly not 1 min

[inland acorn]

Ok with new tier it does makes some sense i guess

[vivid vessel]

ADR is 3 min cd guys

[inland acorn]

I was guessing like 30s

[sullen narwhal]

The tier set has such a massive impact on ks cdr?

[vivid vessel]

Ks is 2.7

We don't press ADR every 1 min lol

That wouldn't work would it

ADR last 20 s

If vanish is 6 s ADR extension

[haughty wigeon]

ah

okay then

[inland acorn]

Unless it bugs out and you suddenly get 27-29s out of nowhere

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[haughty wigeon]

your a better outlaw than me by miles

[sullen narwhal]

On a guess i think we press ar every 50 sec more or less

[haughty wigeon]

so your right

[tribal cosmos]

Im better too

[vivid vessel]

We press ADR every 20/30 s actually haha

[sullen narwhal]

So ks is probably 40

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen narwhal]

There's no way it doesn't feel that short

[haughty wigeon]

probably skill issue

[inland acorn]

I mean it's also a little bit of variance

[tribal cosmos]

Cause youre not pressing enough cp spenders sorry to say

[haughty wigeon]

i guess im giga rusty then

[inland acorn]

If you get TB and shit

[haughty wigeon]

ya but even with fiending your rolls

[sullen narwhal]

Uptime around 90% on dummy, i doubt it

[tribal cosmos]

Adr is every 25 seconds averaged out

[torpid fiber]

I need to see if there's a weakaura that will yell at me if I clip gcds

[tribal cosmos]

23-24 honestly

[haughty wigeon]

i think its just

[tribal cosmos]

22-24

[haughty wigeon]

skill issue

post log?

[vivid vessel]

26 s for ADR

[haughty wigeon]

that reminds me

i got my dh ready and my paladin ready

i should touch my outlaw

[torpid fiber]

There has to be

[haughty wigeon]

brb

[vivid vessel]

Ks is 23

Brb sleep

[haughty wigeon]

ty zac

so ya

man

thats still to short of a cd

they need to reduce its duration

by a 1.5

[vivid vessel]

Doubling ks cd did break half of trickster tho kekw

[haughty wigeon]

[vivid vessel]

Fazed ultime is terrible now everytime your target swap or dies you don't have fazed anymore and can't coup

And S3 tier set basically let us have similar ub procs as we did in S2 without tier

[sullen narwhal]

So they either bring back ks to 1.5, or increase the intervals for blade

After the tier i guess

[vivid vessel]

I like longer ks

Let us move vanish a bit more freely

It's nice

[sullen narwhal]

They could just make ks freeze stealth windows for it's channel

[vivid vessel]

Unfortunate they kinda ignored that it needs adjustment for trickster

Adjustment that can't just be buffing ks cd kekw

[haughty wigeon]

ya thats true

[inland acorn]

Nah

[haughty wigeon]

i still think

ks duration needs a 1 second eduction

[inland acorn]

They'll just buff KS damage again

For check notes 5th time

[haughty wigeon]

updating my ill;egal mods that blizzard will ban me for (ai upscaling shitty looking weapons)

https://tenor.com/view/long-nose-dog-snout-manual-gif-23216523

[sullen narwhal]

The blade flurry nerf was pretty massive though

[haughty wigeon]

eh not really

[wintry solar]

I thought that was going somewhere else

[sullen narwhal]

Was outlaw really doing so much aoe that it was justified?

[haughty wigeon]

not really

its a net positive in aoe

they just wanted to buff its st without increasing its aoe

[inland acorn]

It's net positive depending on target count no ?

[haughty wigeon]

nope

[inland acorn]

I'm pretty sure I saw someone saying its actually dps loss

on specific target count

[haughty wigeon]

probably something new

but im going by pins

[inland acorn]

Well not like it matters anyway

Blizzard will still do w/e they want lol

Depending where the dart will land on the board

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel progging as sub?

[haughty wigeon]

im sure outlaw will get some sort of tuning

[inland acorn]

The only sure things are

Death, taxes and psychic link changes

Idk if you could find an ability being changed as much as link, since DF

They just keep bouncing it by 5% every patch lol

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

lowkey abilities like that are cringe af anyways

only outlaw makes it work

[trim harbor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sullen narwhal]

I mean, you just change the modifier, it's not really very difficult, they just change it a lot depending on tuning

Fury warrior is the same

The reason why they kept nerfing link in df is because priest for some reason was just insanely good, especially in s2

So they kept nerfing link

Well the reason was because it was meta due to comp, they also dealt a lot of damage outside of link in aoe

With dots and ghosts

[mild vigil]

do we think we're crafting dagger first depending on what we get from m+ / raid next week?

for flex to different specs as needed

[hollow wharf]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[haughty wigeon]

cause of link

and pi

[sullen narwhal]

It was pi, overall damage, comp, and utility

Mass dispell was huge

Then they nerfed everything to 2 min

[haughty wigeon]

deserved

but its more like

overal and pi

cause during the time externalling a reworked mage

was insane damage increase

with aug

managing to buff mage, hpal blessing of seasons who they needed to, and

with aug main buff effecting tanks (Was a huge misatke)

[strong saffron]

there is insane rubber banding

in dorn dummies

I wouldn't treat it as gospel

@haughty wigeon

go try it in a delve or instanced content

[trim harbor]

did u guys incounter the bug where u just dont go into subterfuge

[slate forge]

go to the silvermoon dummies

[frail veldt]

For outlaw ? Unlikely

[haughty wigeon]

wrong guy

to ping

[frank finch]

[tribal cosmos]

I dont get why youre doung flicker gate

[frank finch]

i just want gear for my rats

[lime lake]

are the flickergates good rat gear

[frank finch]

cam buy veteran gear with undercoins

[midnight granite]

You can craft 670 gear with weathered crests

Why r u wasting time ololol

[frank finch]

that takes a spark?

[lime lake]

dont you need like maxed out delvers journey to buy the veteran gear

[craggy barn]

bruh

why does this game hate shadowed unit frames now

[frank finch]

just level 3

[midnight granite]

No

[frank finch]

wait

that actually take more time

u have to farm the crests on the rats

[midnight granite]

Weathered crests are so free

Or just spend 20k on the ah

And be 670+

[frail veldt]

Bro 2012 called they want their add-on back

[frank finch]

im so confused

these flickers r more free

[craggy barn]

ok game just doesnt like me hiding combo points

[frank finch]

the point is i play my main to gear the rats

while your also getting other stuff

[frail veldt]

You can hide them with other stuff

[frank finch]

like the map summon

[frail veldt]

I use move anything

[craggy barn]

i have tried mewo

and game is still being dumb

[wintry solar]

Move Anything is a must have

[frail veldt]

This patch did break it and I had to update

Move anything is one of the worst and best add-ons

[wintry solar]

Truly is

[frail veldt]

Literally the most fucked up interface of any addon

Barely works

But it does what no others can

[grim spear]

How should I describe this channel? Is there a specific theme or just chat?
I just got in touch with the CN rank 1 outlaw, and she’s very interested in joining.

[frail veldt]

You making an elite rogue society lol

[strong saffron]

[lime lake]

assembling the avengers

[frank finch]

so do us plebs get the info when ya invent naything

[strong saffron]

they r the real puppeteers behind all the APL TC

they control solo like a marionette

[frank finch]

[strong saffron]

create better apl

don't release

beat everyone in details

profit

[frank finch]

someone from there told solo to look for fb coin targeting players

thats his source

[strong saffron]

HOOOLY

1.5% dps gain

it's starting

[frank finch]

[strong saffron]

[agile quiver]

Okay, I have a situational question:
I have max combo points and plenty of AR time, am not in stealth, and BtE and Vanish are both off cooldown (1 charge on Vanish)
Should I Vanish or use the one BtE first?

(coup and KS are not up)

[pliant wind]

Use vanish first, because u need to get combo points again to use your vanish and bte on cd, so u need to waste a rotation of sinister strikes/ambush and your AR time left is gonna decrease more

[agile quiver]

makes sense. what if there's enough stacks of PS opportunity?

[pliant wind]

you need them for your bte rotation in subterfuge

[dapper mica]

hello gamers im a fresh outlaw rogue, i get the combo building part but what finishers should i be using and when

and also do i need to stealth b4 each pull ?

[frank finch]

if our fazed uptime is takign a nose dive

do we then take

or nah

[frail veldt]

wdym

oh as in instead of the other thing

our fazed isnt being reduced that much

its just not guaranteed 100%

feint adding more aoe is just pointless cuz it already effectively makes you invulnerable to aoe

if you die through feint

your whole team is dead

[frank finch]

ok ok

[dim parrot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897810536071208

[frail veldt]

KS is your highest prio finisher, dispatch is your main finisher outside of stealth/subterfuge when between the eyes is on cd, and between the eyes is your finisher for in stealth/subterfuge

[finite arch]

I miss siege of boralus

[frail veldt]

!ban

[finite arch]

When was the last time it was in the m+ pool

[finite arch]

🙁

[frail veldt]

actually though are you okay?

[finite arch]

The cannon trinket

I liked it

[frail veldt]

you like the dungeon for a trinket?

[dapper mica]

thanks for the help legends

[frail veldt]

bro do you not remember the last boss?

[finite arch]

I do

[frail veldt]

the bananas

[finite arch]

I really did enjoy the dng

Only ever did it on a 15

[frail veldt]

the random unecessary downtime on the 2nd boss

literally afking waiting for her to jump back

like

the dungeon is fucking awful from outlaw pov

0/10

[keen belfry]

mewo

i cant kil kyveza

[finite arch]

The aoe was aw3ful to dodge for sure

[dim parrot]

Siege sucks from everyone’s pov btw

[frail veldt]

whats killing you

I still havent tried it yet lol

[finite arch]

Idk man hot take but i really liked it

[dim parrot]

Pre-feint last boss dot

[frail veldt]

I mean the uptime things dont hurt other specs as much

[finite arch]

3rd boss was cool

[frail veldt]

but why?

the 3rd boss is palatable

barely

[finite arch]

I like the unique mechanics like dodging the cannons and stuff

The trash pack

[frail veldt]

what

[dim parrot]

100% true. Just saying the dungeon sucks in general

[frail veldt]

are we talking about the same dungeon?

[finite arch]

Yea

[frail veldt]

what cannon dodgin?

[finite arch]

There is that section where you gotta take cover

[frail veldt]

do you just mean swirlies?

oh the firing squad

[finite arch]

Yea

[frail veldt]

thats fun?

[dim parrot]

Firing squad

[frail veldt]

afking waiting for firing squad?

[dim parrot]

🤮

[frail veldt]

I can make a WA to replicate that if you want

just tells you to hide randomly when youre out of combat

and afk behind a box

compelling gameplay

can keep RP out of my m+ tyvm

[finite arch]

I prefer sob over sots

[frail veldt]

whats sots

[finite arch]

Shrine

[frail veldt]

shrine of the storm?

yeah that dungeon is also awful hahahah

but theyre both pretty bad ngl

[finite arch]

The sethrak dng too

Forgot the name

Hate the one too

[frail veldt]

halls or something

[weary fog]

Temple of sethralis?

[frail veldt]

that one

siege just has really tedious mechanics and super super linear routing

[finite arch]

May i like it cause i ran siege with friends a lot

[frail veldt]

its like everything bad you wouldnt want in m+

the best m+ dungeons usually have lots of routing options and less RP mechanics

[strong saffron]

shrine of storm

[finite arch]

Waycrest manor hype

[frail veldt]

waycrest was good yeah but indoor dungeons can be kind of annoying visually

tree boss almost ruins waycrest

ngl

[strong saffron]

Seat of the Triumvirate

[frail veldt]

rng mechanics like that

are just not it

[finite arch]

Now thats bad

[strong saffron]

probs worst dung in existence

[finite arch]

My brain has blocked that dng from memory

[frail veldt]

getting roots 4 times in a row on tree is just hell

[strong saffron]

dw now u can get containment cell

[frail veldt]

from which dungeon

[strong saffron]

one of the tazavesh

you can vanish it n shi tho

and cloak

[frail veldt]

ah

yeah you cant do shit for roots

[strong saffron]

pvp trinket

😎

[frail veldt]

hahaha

I literally

[strong saffron]

and bop

[frail veldt]

woiuld run out

and swap to it

[strong saffron]

had to play a mage there

iirc

[frail veldt]

that was the only way we timed that dungeon on high keys

[strong saffron]

for blink

[frail veldt]

mage helped

but still 1/3

we played mage rogue aug

so we were fucked

ret was the key to that boss

[strong saffron]

yhe

or prot pal

[frail veldt]

sure

[strong saffron]

bop bubble

on ret

op

can dk just ams that shit

or nah

[finite arch]

Imma try to pug hard mode deathless first week

Wish me luck

[strong saffron]

do it on the last day of the wk at least

[finite arch]

True

[strong saffron]

so everyone's had time to gear

and BL every boss

pull 1 mob at a time

[frail veldt]

pugging it week 1 is wild

[strong saffron]

I think people will run some shit like 4 tanks 1 healer

[finite arch]

Someones gonna run off by accident i just no it

[frail veldt]

yeah honestly

[finite arch]

No guild rn

[frail veldt]

can just do a 5 tank run

[strong saffron]

or even 5 tank

5 bdk

[frail veldt]

yep

ez gear

[finite arch]

I pug just about everything last ssn

[strong saffron]

but if there r dispels

u need a healer i think

[frail veldt]

tru

[strong saffron]

idk tazavehs

[frail veldt]

me neither

[strong saffron]

but the bricks are last 2 bosses

afaik

[finite arch]

Didnt someone do a +20 atal in bfa with 5 bdks?

[strong saffron]

just gotta steal liquid strat

[finite arch]

Does anyone rmb that?

[frail veldt]

how do you activate hardmode

is it m2?

[strong saffron]

u talk to someone

in m0

[frail veldt]

or m0

ah

kk

[finite arch]

Talk to npc

[frail veldt]

so you can practice it a bit first

[strong saffron]

but

[frail veldt]

in actual m+

[strong saffron]

if ur team jump off

the side

before u talk

u fail

or some shit

easy t oget griefed

[frail veldt]

lolol

[strong saffron]

pugging it is impossible imo

i think they'll change it before release still personally

giving RWF guilds 20 pieces of mythic look aka 5 bosses worth

before the raid is dumb

they'll have to either make raid harder than before

or smth else

[late swallow]

is that what rwf guilds are doing rn?

farming hardmode splits?

[strong saffron]

probably will

yeah

for the right trinkets

etc.

[late swallow]

insanity

[strong saffron]

I think they'll walk back on the mythic piece

tbh

it's very dumb

gonna have RWF guilds doing 16 tazavesh HM runs

per player

[late swallow]

[strong saffron]

imagine u brick it

on an alt

u have to go gear a fresh 80

gg

[late swallow]

i mean, those mfs have like

5-10 geared alts ready to go

[strong saffron]

I mean

it is legit 16 alts

per player atm

for some rwf guilds

[late swallow]

[strong saffron]

quite crazy

anyways I think I'll crashout if sm1 dies in my HM

might send triple outlaw

and we all spend our energy only on feitn

thoughts

ur allowed to spend energy on damage while feint is up

[late swallow]

does anyone have any gigabis gear from there?

[strong saffron]

most specs

but even just for the catalyst charge we get next week

it's crazy

[late swallow]

oh shit yeah that's true I didn't even think about that

[strong saffron]

insta mythic tier piece

[late swallow]

guaranteed myth track tier potentially is insane

myth weapon would be insane

[strong saffron]

can't imagine the number of reddit threads

when people brick their HM

[late swallow]

i'd legit bust

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1ml6p2d/you_only_get_one_shot_per_week_new_source_of/

the seethe is so funny

just what you'd expect on reddit

[snow viper]

Be real about the hm......even on the ptr with a team full of title players deathless runs for us have been hit or miss and beyond challenging

[strong saffron]

lots of them are running it at current ilvl on ptr

I've seen people even doing it at like 650

on ptr

you just spam keys until last day

have full HC track

and send it

[snow viper]

You can't outgear it bro

[strong saffron]

wdym

lmao

you play every boss with BL

[late swallow]

reasonable take ngl

[wintry solar]

I like how punishing it is. Like a spit in the face

[strong saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[wintry solar]

Blizzard saying fuck you

[chilly atlas]

we pay anyway, they dont care :p

[strong saffron]

imagine the HM sales

[snow viper]

It might be somewhat reasonable if you could reset

[strong saffron]

10m gold

it's a pretty insane design decision

[wintry solar]

Big money. I change my mind.

[late swallow]

can you even do sales? is afk'ing it possible?

[strong saffron]

people are willing to pay 1.5m for a 10

[snow viper]

Again, we arent the best......but still a team of 3860-3.9k struggling says quite a bit.

[strong saffron]

imagine how mcuh people will pay for a myth piece of gear week 1

what you struggling with

which boss

[snow viper]

Timehook probably the worst

[strong saffron]

yh

he is hard boss

but you can definitely outgear it

it's only a 10 at the end of the day

[late swallow]

is this harder than HM DOTI back in df s4?

[strong saffron]

probs not IMO

that dung was cancer

[late swallow]

HM DOTI was hard ngl

especially the rise half

[strong saffron]

rise was such a bad dungeon

holy shit

[wintry solar]

I hated the mail boss

[snow viper]

The mechanics are full 1 shots though and imo it's much harder than a 10 due to the added mechanics

[strong saffron]

which mechanics

the ones that one shot on a 10 regularly?

not just in HM

[frail veldt]

eh

I guess if you did a bunch of DoTI in S3 then HM doti was a joke

cuz you had the strats down

[late swallow]

ya but week 1 or week 2 HM was still hard

regardless of how fresh strats were

[frail veldt]

it was easier than a 30 during S3 lol

so

felt like a 24 maybe

[late swallow]

idk, I never got a full premade for it

always had to pug a mf or two

[frail veldt]

yeah again if you had a group who was all high rated from the previous season it was literally free

[quaint mauve]

im ready for hm

[strong saffron]

triple outlaw hm

trust

[frail veldt]

ive never done tazavesh on m+

[quaint mauve]

pulling every pack one at a time

[frail veldt]

so

[quaint mauve]

i will

[late swallow]

got knicker of time like last week of that season

[frail veldt]

its gona be hard I bet

[strong saffron]

yoda said it was easy

[quaint mauve]

get my myth track piece before raid

[strong saffron]

for 707

and they one shot it on ptr

idk

[late swallow]

yeah me neither

[strong saffron]

u just spam m+

to learn

ez

[late swallow]

i think it was SL when it was added?

i skipped that whole xpac

[chilly atlas]

it was easy for my group of 5 professional wow players

[strong saffron]

3 key levels too easy

vs easy

big diff

[late swallow]

haha it was super easy for my group of 5 sweats that play this game 12 hours a day every single day

[frail veldt]

again it depends on your perspective haha

[snow viper]

The shit Yoda calls easy is also impossible for most ppl. Gonna get a chuckle out of everyone failing and complaining........

[strong saffron]

I've never heard him call a 21 insanely easy

[frail veldt]

I think taza HM is gona be harder than DoTi

[strong saffron]

and you've timed some of those

so idk

[frail veldt]

cuz remember in DF m0 was easier than m0 is now

m0 now was a +10 in DF right?

[strong saffron]

ye

[frail veldt]

so its gona be way harder now

[chilly atlas]

i donno, m0 feels super easy rn

[frail veldt]

than DF doti was

[snow viper]

Out of curiosity, have you even done this on the ptr yet?

[frail veldt]

well it was easier in DF

is what im sayin

[strong saffron]

yes

a couple tries

I think with ilvl it's fine

but like I said

everyone's trying at 685

[snow viper]

You've completed a deathless with items removed? Nice!

[frail veldt]

items removed?

[strong saffron]

?

[frail veldt]

wdym

[snow viper]

Dropping your ilvl

[frail veldt]

no they said with ilvl

[strong saffron]

people were literally 650

on streams that I've seen

[frail veldt]

oh

[strong saffron]

wdym

[tribal cosmos]

Its pretty easy

Ngl

[strong saffron]

wearing items that don't scale

[frail veldt]

easy relative to what

[tribal cosmos]

Relative to m10

[strong saffron]

@snow viper you have a bee in your bonnet cuh

[tribal cosmos]

Which is also easy

[strong saffron]

3.9k cant do hardmode

idk skill issue

[frail veldt]

a +10 from last season is def easier than doing HM immediately next week

[strong saffron]

just go next char when you brick

[frail veldt]

I dont even think its close is it?

[tribal cosmos]

Who said immediately

[frail veldt]

we did

[tribal cosmos]

You gear up and do it

[frail veldt]

thast what were talking about

doing it

[strong saffron]

you do it last day

[frail veldt]

next week

[tribal cosmos]

Who the fuck gonna hm day 1

[strong saffron]

ye

nobody is

[tribal cosmos]

Day 7 gamers only

[frail veldt]

how much are yall planning to ilvl up in 1 week

[strong saffron]

u do it after ur like 703

or something

[tribal cosmos]

Thats when you find the good players

[strong saffron]

I'm crafting sword @frail veldt

[snow viper]

We've done it plenty on the ptr dude, it's just very hard and inconsistent........Only ppl that won't be true for is the pros

[strong saffron]

you only die to one shots

idk

[tribal cosmos]

Well

Lets be serious here

[snow viper]

I bet quite a few of their alts get wrecked on the runs also

[strong saffron]

'alts'

small diff

lmao

now we're arguing about alts

not being able to do hm

[tribal cosmos]

Ittl be easy

But the nerves of hm

Really get to players

Deathless runs are always toxic

[strong saffron]

you just spam m+

[tribal cosmos]

Look at hardcore wow classic

[strong saffron]

of taz

[tribal cosmos]

Easiest game in the world

And people die to movs

Mobs

Me personally i only inviting 4 setters

[strong saffron]

on every boss

you can even run to africa

for every mechanic

so you dont die

with 50% boss uptime

there is 0 dps check

[snow viper]

You're cooked bud, I want you to link the mythic piece next week with all the sht you talking.

[strong saffron]

you are 3.8k

idk why u type so much

I'll take a pic for you

you send me ur brick

❤️

edit ur msg more

you're so angry

because your team can't do it 💔

and i said it'll be fine

take ur meds cuh

[late swallow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/dun-morogh/Rábenkláue

this mf already has the myth track trinket

[frail veldt]

do they?

[strong saffron]

no

[tribal cosmos]

WHAT

[frail veldt]

yeah idk what somn is saying

its literally a 691 trinket

thats m0 isnt it?

[strong saffron]

it says mythic

as in m0

ye

[frail veldt]

yeah

somn u good bro?

[late swallow]

oh shit mobile is cucking me

[strong saffron]

that dude got ragebaited too hard bruh

[tribal cosmos]

Its 691 ilvl bro

[strong saffron]

idk how he got so angry about HM

💔

must be european

here we go

[gaunt phoenix]

let's be civil

[strong saffron]

bro got angy at me solo

for saying HM is doable

started flaming me

💔

[snow viper]

You're weird bud, I simply said it was going to be very hard for most ppl when you're saying it'll be easy

[strong saffron]

I said yoda said it'll be easy

reading comprehension european

[tribal cosmos]

Most people correct

Most people cant even do a 10

[strong saffron]

you said you're 3.9k

idk

3.9k and finding hardmode hard at 707

[sudden fulcrum]

Stop letting an anime pfp bait you bro

How do you even take that seriously

[strong saffron]

good advice

[tribal cosmos]

Thats not anime

[strong saffron]

it's from a novel tho

[tribal cosmos]

Its chinese novel

[strong saffron]

[snow viper]

Fair

[tribal cosmos]

As a reader of the wuxia genre

[strong saffron]

may you refine your gu deadtube

[tribal cosmos]

I cant let you misgender the pic

[frail veldt]

animated novel

[tribal cosmos]

Its not animated

[strong saffron]

it is

[tribal cosmos]

Its WORDS

wait

[strong saffron]

there's an anime now

[frail veldt]

im joking

lol

[tribal cosmos]

Is that

[strong saffron]

it's LOTM

[tribal cosmos]

The fool

[strong saffron]

yes

[tribal cosmos]

[frail veldt]

lord of the manga?

[strong saffron]

mysteries

[tribal cosmos]

Lord of mysteries

Uncultured swine

[frail veldt]

lord of tmysteries

[tribal cosmos]

[frail veldt]

?

[strong saffron]

@snow viper u will do it fine next week btw

trust

[late swallow]

i'm going through wowprog, and I can't find anyone who has a HM piece

[strong saffron]

ofc they don't

[wintry solar]

Can't we all just get along?

[late swallow]

wonder if there's a better way to filter

[strong saffron]

it isn't out bro

[frail veldt]

its not out

[strong saffron]

why r u looking for it

[late swallow]

[lime lake]

no, fuck you

[strong saffron]

what u smoking

[frail veldt]

somn go to sleep

[late swallow]

i'm cooked man

[frail veldt]

the fuck are you doing