outlaw

[balmy topaz]

Ahhh

[keen belfry]

Idk how to get this border working man it’s tilting me

I think his updating function doesn’t update border type

Does this pack work without anchors I swear it doesn’t anymore i couldn’t resize anything without them

[gaunt phoenix]

noob

[keen belfry]

actually tho

me noob

@vivid vessel the border type does not update cuh

its copy size and offset or whatever, but its leaving it like this

[vivid vessel]

skill issue i think

[desert tendon]

defo skill issue

[keen belfry]

i think its within CauseseDB addon

how tf do i open this addon

[desert tendon]

u dont

[keen belfry]

i need to talk to causese

[desert tendon]

sub to his patreon

[keen belfry]

he should sub to me for helping him duh

@vivid vessel pretty sure if he doesnt update his addon you gotta just remove this part

[mighty pivot]

WAs being used as bossmods is such an abomination although it's a bit better nowadays

[vivid vessel]

its bad cause its not really at a point where you have a complete separation between the visual and the actual data

so its annoying

but these anchors stuffs are getting there

[mighty pivot]

yup it's a good framework but everything being a saved variable is a recipe for mess

[keen belfry]

yeahh im unsure how to get this pack usable rn

i cant have them looking so diff than my UI i think my brain would explode

[bright crane]

dude the new bank system

fucking blows

[gaunt phoenix]

Why'

(i never open my bank)

[bright crane]

for one, "ignore this bag" doesnt work

it auto sorts across the entire thing

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[bright crane]

i jsut spent an hour undoing the mess

just to find that out

[mighty pivot]

are you using fully default bags or with some addon?

[bright crane]

elvui

[mighty pivot]

it might be elvui's fault in that case. Some addons take over/ignore the default settings

[cinder relic]

I like that the new bank has icons n shit

I resorted everything last night

I feel so clean

[jolly geyser]

mr clean

[craggy barn]

zac what did u update on ur gen ui

[willow portal]

I meant heavy stuff

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel ptr is up go play it

[vivid vessel]

nah

tomorrow maybe

im watching the new jurassic world rn

wanna watch with me ruby

[balmy topaz]

I would but I’m currently with family

[vivid vessel]

ditch them bro

there is dinosaurs

and scarlett johansson

[balmy topaz]

I wish I had my computer

I will tomorrow

[hollow wharf]

Hi, I ve leveled a rogue to 80 and I'm now dipping a bit more into talents and stuff

Do people feel like Outlaw is satisfying to play rn ?

I'm not talking performance wise but purely fun

[craggy barn]

zac why do u use the LE envenom but also have ur own envenom buff tracker on ur wa pack

[vivid vessel]

there is a lot of quircks especially related to hero talents and trickster

but its my favorite outlaw iteration by far

[hollow wharf]

Okay noice

[vivid vessel]

the bte gameplay with the resets is super cool

[hollow wharf]

I'm going to play him in mythic plus mostly

[vivid vessel]

there isnt any gameplay bugs rn that are annoying to deal with

like we have had in the past

so thats a big +

[hollow wharf]

Cause I'm jailed in mythic raiding on my evoker

I saw they changed the killing spree

It's less flashy but easier to understand what's going on

[placid blaze]

Hi guys I don't know why even if I have the talent for TotT to be 1h, it's still 30 sec do you know why ?

[vivid vessel]

you need to trigger it

so hit something

after pressing tricks

[placid blaze]

oooooooh okay

thank

s

[vivid vessel]

i dont remember

i think i use mine when there is only one

and if you talent into the thing

i use le one

i hate that thing anywya

idk

[gritty hamlet]

did they change some outlaw tuning this patch cause I'm trucking oddly hard in delves lol

the aoe is nuts

[vivid vessel]

idk you got a bunch of aura buffs

idk how exactly it translate from s2 to s3

in general you will be weaker in s3

but you might not feel it for a bit

it will take everyone getting their gear and 4p etc

[balmy topaz]

I might gaslight my guild

I to thinkin I’m assa

To get 4 set

Then go back

[gritty hamlet]

I just enjoy void elf with the 10.2.7 swords haha

[vivid vessel]

i have seen this before !

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel MR BEAST

[vivid vessel]

mr bost !

[balmy topaz]

MR BOOST

[gaunt phoenix]

!ban @jovial igloo spam

[balmy topaz]

Solo wtf

It’s mr boost

[vivid vessel]

solooooo

mr cloof

!

[gritty hamlet]

it's been a bad day for that particular bot scam

[balmy topaz]

Solo tryna keep all the money

[vital wave]

Solo the cleaner

[gritty hamlet]

I pray my account doesn't get stolen for that sometime

[viral bison]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[stiff vector]

I tried using the Sakuria edit of Causes pack and it seemed to work better and not throw a million errors, but he also just updated his pack so idk if that fixed anything

[keen belfry]

He’s gonna work on updating it @vivid vessel

[keen belfry]

I’ll loook into this!

[gaunt phoenix]

causseusueuse

[vivid vessel]

i litteraly change the icons to be circles so good luck to me

i doubt the anchors are going to work for that

[frail veldt]

Im logging in for the first time in months @vivid vessel what do I do

[vivid vessel]

8 m0s

[frail veldt]

other than go try for cudgel

[vivid vessel]

8 8 delves

[frail veldt]

EIGHT

ffs

[vivid vessel]

do campaign

do all the quests before midnight

[frail veldt]

bro thats like hours of work

fucks sake

wait why before midnight

[vivid vessel]

so you can finish them with darkmoon faire buff

gl cuh

[frail veldt]

oh I dont do darkmoon buff

[vivid vessel]

honestly i did it all today so

[keen belfry]

Hmmm I think you have to delete anchor, and delete that CauseAPI code in each group setting thing

[vivid vessel]

you can rpolly do it aswell

[vivid vessel]

eh

its quite fine

i just

[frail veldt]

you have to go back there

so many times

its so

boring

[vivid vessel]

nah

i did it in one

[frail veldt]

I hate it

[random stirrup]

it doesn't take too long to do all the rep stuff, you're slightly behind by missing the world quests from earlier this week

[vivid vessel]

you just dont finish the quests

[frail veldt]

but arent they chains?

[vivid vessel]

no

like the zone quests and shit

you just keep it all once its the last one

right

and i just gave it all in 30min

all the weeklies

[frail veldt]

umm

[vivid vessel]

and these quests and shit

and poof

[frail veldt]

like world quests?

[vivid vessel]

• the books also

[frail veldt]

aite this is way too much

ngl

[vivid vessel]

ye sure idk

it took me like

3hours

so

[frail veldt]

ffs

[random stirrup]

ya its only like 3 hours

[vivid vessel]

ok say more idk

but like it wasnt much

i took it slow

and shit

[random stirrup]

more work now for less work later

[frail veldt]

why is the font so much bigger

[random stirrup]

fk doing weeklies for rep week 5

[vivid vessel]

skill issue i heard

idk

guys

everytime i login on my na account

it litteraly destroy my live account

thoughts

i lost my keybinds and edit mode

just like that

[random stirrup]

na servers are held together by glue and tape so makes sense

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

is this relevant

its purple seems important

so are yall going out to get the darkmoon buff every 30 minutes while you do the campaign?

[vivid vessel]

no bro

i told you

you just dont finish the very last quest of each zones, the ones that give rep

its written

also dfm is 1h

[gaunt phoenix]

lorewalking is just RP stuff

[random stirrup]

zac's way is the smart way, i did just go get the buff every hour to be safe

[gaunt phoenix]

this RPG has some RP

[random stirrup]

never know when random little rep things are gonna sneak up on you

[vivid vessel]

ye whatever

i do it the lazy way

you just do the main campaign and once you are at the end and they give you the big rep things

you dont validate the quest

then you do all the zones quests

each zone is like

[frail veldt]

oooooh

[vivid vessel]

30min/1h thing

its whatever

also take the big weekly at dornogal

idk which one it is

maybe you need to unlock the rep first by doing a bit of the main campaign

anyway

[frail veldt]

so theres a bunch of new zones? I figured it was just one

[vivid vessel]

there is one divided in like 3 area

its small

not many things to do

dw about it

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/karesh-zone-unlocking-flying-treasures#kareshi-lore-books this is also important to do with dmf

its a lot of rep for like 15 min of work

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0 i mean just read larias thing

[gaunt phoenix]

larodar

[random stirrup]

modettaror he is promoting the banned guy

[gaunt phoenix]

!bean @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

bro

if you had missclicked that you mf

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

i lose all my messages if i get banned

imagine

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it only deletes the last 7 days or smth

[lime lake]

thats thousands of messages

[vivid vessel]

thats like 100k messages dude

might crash the discord honestly

[desert tendon]

i wish zac was banned

ngl

and we brought back ryu instead

[vivid vessel]

tf

[lime lake]

[desert tendon]

fr no cap

[desert tendon]

lmao noob

so little

[hardy vault]

[desert tendon]

i bet that s like 1/3 of zero

[hardy vault]

wait why is it smol

[proven ocean]

why is ur name anus

oh

[shy meteor]

quick question after killing spree do we press vanish or do we cancel it with dispatch and then using ss for UB ?

[gaunt phoenix]

currently you would most likely vanish

but after tier set, you try to send vanish after coup de grace every time

unless you are nearly capped or have to send for AR

[shy meteor]

alright thanks man !

[frail veldt]

where do I put the sound effects for the KS weak aura

[novel socket]

guild wants me to farm rep

i want to die

[frail veldt]

ive never done custom sounds for a WA before

[novel socket]

only people with Stockholm syndrome farm rep in this game

[frail veldt]

oh nvm I see th einstructions using sharedmedia

[vivid vessel]

nice gg

[jolly geyser]

for what

some rune

[novel socket]

permanent rune

lvl 18 with the new faction

its bs minmax

[jolly geyser]

I am aware yes

[novel socket]

that a wr 1900 guild is enforcing for some reason

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt lmk

if you dont manage to do it

[novel socket]

[vivid vessel]

i think the tutorial is quite easyu to understand tho

[novel socket]

but the link zac posted is helpful

tho i dont want to do the quests

[frail veldt]

bat file didnt work lol

didnt create the folders

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

create them yourself tho

[frail veldt]

ill create it myself

yeah

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter

the important part is the [5]

in the image

you need to make sure your file is in the mymedia.lua

if its there all is good

you will see it ingame

you can also do that part manually if you want

but the .bat should do it

if you aint noobing

[frail veldt]

wow my OS wont let me download the sounds either

being super buggy lol

can you dm me the sound files zipped up or something

[vivid vessel]

dude

tf are you using as a computer my guy

[frail veldt]

it only downloaded the one gun_endReload.ogg

[vivid vessel]

a minitel or what

[frail veldt]

literally windows 10

[balmy topaz]

Disable firewall

[frail veldt]

like it wont download rofl

it says completed

but its not there

[balmy topaz]

And click mr bost link

[frail veldt]

ez

[balmy topaz]

Gun cock

[vivid vessel]

ye

[jolly geyser]

play this for KS

[balmy topaz]

New GTFO sound

[mighty pivot]

does a gun clock display bullet time?

[balmy topaz]

I see what you did there

[frail veldt]

okay

I hate this sound wtf

[vivid vessel]

??

[balmy topaz]

Wdym

[vivid vessel]

tf

its good no

[jolly geyser]

when full rtb buff

[balmy topaz]

It’s good

[frail veldt]

its so annoying rofl

[vivid vessel]

????????

maybe its too loud for you idk

skill issue imo

it sounds good to me

[balmy topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-mods-british-british-food-eat-british-shrassy-gif-14665387226554830893

[jolly geyser]

fish n chips is bangin

[frail veldt]

yeah its pretty loud

also are these the quests you were talking about zac?

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel where do I change my RH emblem

[frail veldt]

I like do all of them in a zone then go get dmf buff?

[jolly geyser]

profile in setting ruby

[vivid vessel]

ye

[balmy topaz]

As in the coin

[vivid vessel]

you will see

[jolly geyser]

what

[vivid vessel]

at some point the reward will be renown

you just dont validated these quests

[balmy topaz]

I got the FB coin

[vivid vessel]

you keep them in bag

and get dmf once you did everything

careful tho dmf ends like

at midnghit eu

[frail veldt]

by validate do you mean turn in?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frail veldt]

im NA so I have time

[mighty pivot]

isn't easier to just get dmf buff and a few hats and keep it running?

[desert tendon]

zac stop farming messages here now

[jolly geyser]

I forgot about dmf and did everything

[balmy topaz]

Where is it I react to change the emblem

[vivid vessel]

ye i couldnt remember the word

[vivid vessel]

no cause im lazy

so i did all the quests

then went to get dmf 1 h buff

and turned in everything

[desert tendon]

drop down all the way in pins noob

[mighty pivot]

and you're sure you didn't gain any rep without the buff?

[placid blaze]

hello guys, idk if it's already found yet, in the new delves with the artefact to farm and the rings to go up and down, if u TotT a tank, all the group can stay up and you can aggro all the mob so they can TP, sry if t's already've been told

[vivid vessel]

oh no i did

just not the important ones

[mighty pivot]

ah ok

[vivid vessel]

and i failed a bit cause i was like half asleep

idk

i did it for most of it

its fine

[gaunt phoenix]

lol nice

[mighty pivot]

you can reach renown 9 with the new wave of WQs

[vivid vessel]

ye whatever

im not a giga tryharder of renown

[balmy topaz]

Sorted

[placid blaze]

we're currently farming it it's very fun u can use the extra button so the groupe stay at the door of the boss, u tp every trash and clean it very fast 😄

[balmy topaz]

I’ll slowly get renown

Only for m+

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel

so this I should get buff for right?

[vivid vessel]

ye you dont complete these

at some pioint your whole map will be cleared of quests

and you will just have to return all of these with dmf

boom

ez

[frail veldt]

sick

ez

[balmy topaz]

Is DMF gone?

[wide flare]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

aww is it?

zac said midnight for eu

so I assumed NA still had it

[vivid vessel]

open your calendar idk

[balmy topaz]

Ohh ye should be okay mewo

[keen belfry]

zac have u done any causese WA lookig into

[vivid vessel]

not yet

[keen belfry]

or u being avoidant again

[keen belfry]

ok

[frail veldt]

we good

[vivid vessel]

im halfway trough jurassic world @keen belfry

[keen belfry]

Woah blue!

[frail veldt]

have you watched the original

[vivid vessel]

no haha

[frail veldt]

bro

bro

bro

the original is like 100 times better

[vivid vessel]

i only ever watched the new mobies

[frail veldt]

thats awful

[vivid vessel]

no but im watching the new new one rn

[frail veldt]

the new ones are objectively worse

[vivid vessel]

idc

[frail veldt]

so if you like that

then go back and watch the og

[vivid vessel]

there is scarlett jonhansson in it

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel @frail veldt do you guys understand this refference

refefefecernce

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

is the one ur watching with um

chris pratt

[vivid vessel]

no

im watching the new one

[keen belfry]

mmm

scarlett

mmmm

[worldly shale]

??????

[keen belfry]

i havent seen any of the new jurassic parks im old

gimmme OG jurrassic

[frail veldt]

Isn't the new ones chriss prat?

Or are there newer newer ones

[keen belfry]

yeah i havent seen those ones

[vivid vessel]

there is a new new one

that just came out

[balmy topaz]

Someone I know done WQ on 60 characters

[frail veldt]

Oh is this the one with the shitty rock climbing scene

[vivid vessel]

ye prolly

idk

[frail veldt]

That's depressing

[hot olive]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

but there is scarlett johansson

[keen belfry]

everytime i saw a clip of new jurassic park it was chris pratt walking slowly up to Blue the dinosaur with his hands up saying something like "woah blue" or "easy now blue":

[keen belfry]

is this legit

[balmy topaz]

Yup

[vivid vessel]

ye there is some exploits rn

like i think you can do the pvp quest

on every alt

infinitly

[frail veldt]

How

Oh

Every fucking time man

[keen belfry]

im assumming blizz will rollback anyone who gets the rune early

[frail veldt]

Haha you're funny

[keen belfry]

like i dont think youre supposed to have it in august

[hybrid granite]

It’s really really bad

[vivid vessel]

ok

but there is scarlett jonhansson??

so why would i care

[frail veldt]

And

[ripe ibex]

she’s so bad

[frail veldt]

She's so mid

[vivid vessel]

mad

[keen belfry]

scarlett wants me bro

[vivid vessel]

no!

she wants me !

[hybrid granite]

She’s probably the only good part of the film

[keen belfry]

heres my youtube from my middle school call of duty editing montage days

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

nice

[keen belfry]

nicki minajh and scarlett fan

nbd

6th grade me was such a gooner

[ripe ibex]

was that in like the 90s?

[keen belfry]

shoots Jason in the head

[frail veldt]

some things never change

[keen belfry]

Too far goon

surely everyone here had a COD MW2 montage/editing phase right

[vivid vessel]

bro its about to be a melee comp meta in m+

without outlaw

[ripe ibex]

i was like 7

[random stirrup]

mine are just high kill videos

no montage here

[keen belfry]

yeah ryldd had no editing skill i can tell

he didnt torrent adobe after effects

[keen belfry]

grow up

[random stirrup]

movie maker on top

💯

[grim spear]

wtf how?

[balmy topaz]

After napkin mathing I think it’s an exploit

[mighty pivot]

[random stirrup]

i mean there was some very easy exploits for infinite farming rep earlier this week

[mighty pivot]

surely the exploiters will receive free vacations

[cinder relic]

Ppl are getting banned for the Rep shit afaik

[random stirrup]

I would not be surprised if they were

[jolly geyser]

guess we will find out how long we playing this patch in 10days

[random stirrup]

id imagine anything renown 10 or higher probably is just getting automatically penalized

or rolled back

[jolly geyser]

I saw someone will full lvl brann

[frail veldt]

What's in the comp

[vivid vessel]

well

if you think its sin/dk season

which it looks like it

you play warrior

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

but warrior dps is shit

so you play warriuor tank

and then the last 2 things

is either shaman healer with a feral

[keen belfry]

do u skip monk buff

[vivid vessel]

or resto druid with like enhance or smth

[keen belfry]

no way its WW

[vivid vessel]

no ye you skip monk buff unless you play brew tank

but if you play brew tank you have to play warrior dps

and warrior dps is shit

[keen belfry]

yeah seems like warr buff kinda has to be tank

[fluid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sammy-classic-sonic-fan-when-will-you-learn-that-your-actions-have-consequences-gif-26164785

[keen belfry]

atleast atm

[mighty pivot]

all good - they will buff dps warriors when they buff outlaw

[cinder relic]

There's gonna be a lot of balance this tier for sure

[vivid vessel]

ye if you play assa/dk

if you play like

arcane dk boomie instead

you can go dh

[mighty pivot]

how did dk go from one gigastrong spec to two? very sus

[vivid vessel]

ye

very sus

[hardy vault]

What is ur group comp gonna be zac?

[mighty pivot]

do dks have their own calamari to make vids asking for buffs?

[cinder relic]

It's the same deal as usual. A multi dps spec has 2 broken specs but only 1 gets hyped

Udk been broken the whole time, but nobody gaf, all the hype was around Frost

[hardy vault]

DKs have bicepspump I think but he always seems rather down to earth

[cinder relic]

It's like how both hunter specs are broken but ppl only care about mm yk

[vivid vessel]

i mean we arent changing anything

unless we implode

then its gg

like

[hardy vault]

So brew rsham kitty outlaw arms?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw and warrior sucks

so

[hardy vault]

Or am I misremembering sth

[vivid vessel]

its kinda over for us

ye

[random stirrup]

weekly 10 comp fr fr

[vivid vessel]

ye

do people realize

how crazy it is

that people are considering phys comps

but outlaw isnt even in the equation

outlaw is litteraly worse than s1 btw

not kidding

[mighty pivot]

uhdk received a lot of changes in ptr so maybe it was bad/not as strong initially dunno. Plus FDK was insanely overtuned comparatively

[hardy vault]

Choosing the best time to play outlaw I see

[balmy topaz]

Break the meta comp

[vivid vessel]

missed it by one season

gg

[hardy vault]

I played a bit at the end of last season

[brisk meadow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hardy vault]

No high keys tho

At least it’s still fun, so I’ll have a good time after I sit in queue for an hour

[mighty pivot]

you cannot know how the season will go anyway because tuning can change that in a week

[grim spear]

maybe they just want to keep it this way so they dont have to slap on a -5% aura in the first week

[prisma vessel]

should i continue to get haste of im over 20%? as Kir?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nop

[prisma vessel]

kk ty

[frail veldt]

Last season sucked

You got into groups maybe but you had to play ks

Probably the least enjoyable outlaw has been since the rework imo

[tribal cosmos]

Outlaw is just

Ugly

Sorry to say

[frail veldt]

Can you translate that

[hybrid crown]

playing new ks in these 0's felt so nice

[tribal cosmos]

Ah in wow speak

[grim spear]

ks was fun

[frail veldt]

Into real concepts

[hybrid crown]

seeing the same dungeon I hated so much being way easier

[tribal cosmos]

“ the class is inherently limited due to the nonexistent niche it fills “

[grim spear]

bad, punishing, but kind of fun

[tribal cosmos]

“ blade flurry is capped”

[frail veldt]

The spec has been fun even with this

[keen belfry]

Pwar, rsham, assa, feral, any dk spec?

[worldly shale]

Not being able to kill urself is so nice

[tribal cosmos]

“ downtime punishes us for no reason “

[frail veldt]

So I don't think it inherently makes it unplayable

[vivid vessel]

any dk spec

[tribal cosmos]

I believe the only way to fix outlaw is to give us acrobatic strikes back

[vivid vessel]

ye ok sure

[frail veldt]

I don't think that fixes anything

[tribal cosmos]

I really dont understand why giving us extra range is bad

[vivid vessel]

but it was also the season outlaw did damage

with s3 df

so

[frail veldt]

Even when we had acro we still had downtime issues

[tribal cosmos]

I was a s3 df player

[vivid vessel]

now who know how long till we get another season where outlaw isnt absolute dogshit

in keys

[keen belfry]

what if

we have to

play assa

[tribal cosmos]

Well

[frail veldt]

Outlaw mechanically plays better now than in s3 df

Imo

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

[tribal cosmos]

No

[frail veldt]

Double vanish is better than dance for sure

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think its

[tribal cosmos]

Dance way better

[vivid vessel]

50/50

cause all the trickster shit is bad

[frail veldt]

That's pretty fried imo

[tribal cosmos]

Cause when we had dance ya see

[vivid vessel]

ye double vanish is way better

[keen belfry]

are u excluding tier stuff

[tribal cosmos]

We had acrobatic

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

then i agree

[frail veldt]

I mean the core mechanics of the spec

Have improved

[keen belfry]

i will be curious my thoughts on outlaw after playing abunch this season

[tribal cosmos]

Fatebound is literally the worst tree in game ngl

[keen belfry]

ive only every pushed/really played outlaw DF S3 and TWW S2 and they had "skewed" rtb buff uptime

[tribal cosmos]

Flip a coin

[craggy barn]

ez

[keen belfry]

i wonder how itll feel now

[craggy barn]

fatebound

[tribal cosmos]

All rogue trees

So bad

[hybrid crown]

I got her to 46%

[round spindle]

Thematically I hated the idea of dance in Outlaw, but after playing it I grew to like it. I actually miss Dance and Shadowstep a lot.

[hybrid crown]

its so difficult

[keen belfry]

@frail veldt @vivid vessel i feel like i dont know how rtb actually feels cuz these are my 2 only actual tiers as outlaw

[frail veldt]

Dance not being on cdr made it very awkward

[frail veldt]

I mean

LD KiR is fine

[craggy barn]

i spent 3 days progging her

[tribal cosmos]

Wwll the biggest problem outlaw had

[craggy barn]

my heart is giga pumping rn

[tribal cosmos]

Is blade flurry not being soft capped

[craggy barn]

so much adrenaline

[keen belfry]

yeah i mean i guessed i did SOME keys as outlaw in TWW S1 and i didnt mind it

[frail veldt]

That's a double edged sword though

[tribal cosmos]

Assasin meanwhile gets BLADE FLURRY AND THEIR BLADE FLURRY TURNS INTO PRIO DMG BTW

HAHAHAHAH

Imagine outlaw had that

[frail veldt]

if we had soft capped bladeflurry

and we were still a no cd spec

[hybrid crown]

assassin is boring and doesnt have guns

[vivid vessel]

careful mewo

[frail veldt]

I think the odds that we have a season where were "tuned" to do good in high keys is even lower

[vivid vessel]

carefuyl what you are about to say

yep

cooked

we are lying again are we

[tribal cosmos]

I think you can easily tune a soft capped outlaw

[vivid vessel]

trying to spin it

as if doing damage all the time

was ever better

[frail veldt]

you "could" but I dont thhnk they would

they wouldnt accidentally make us good

[desert tendon]

mewo daily dose of hand

[tribal cosmos]

It just raises their actual power level

Which outlaw is lacking

[frail veldt]

are you subbed?

[desert tendon]

i would sub if i knew your account

fr

[tribal cosmos]

Since we are a flat class we should have one thing thag stops us from losing damage in downtime

I think during combat we should BUILD UP downtime safety through “ loaded rounds “

[frail veldt]

im just saying it doesnt just inherently make us OP to soft cap us

we could still be tuned shit

it doesnt actually solve anything

[vivid vessel]

we are more likely to be good tho

[frail veldt]

it might end up with us in meta

[tribal cosmos]

Longer you are away from target the higher your bte damage and cdr %

[vivid vessel]

especaiyll considering how they tune

[tribal cosmos]

Which will fix downtime but not change current dps

[vivid vessel]

and tend to annihilate low target cleave

[tribal cosmos]

It is the best fix

[vivid vessel]

cause thats too good in raid

[frail veldt]

I guess to me they would probalby tune us around precise cuts still and wed still be shit in high targets

[tribal cosmos]

@vivid vessel you seen first boss

[frail veldt]

they fucked us up by over buffing PC

[keen belfry]

zac when r u gonna update the tierlist and add deadtube

[frail veldt]

now theyre nerfing BF

instead of nerfing PC

[tribal cosmos]

Im just saying

[vivid vessel]

:)

[tribal cosmos]

Outlaw needs two things

[grim spear]

do we need to track fazed on mobs?

[tribal cosmos]

Downtime protection like other classes and uncpaped bf

[frail veldt]

kind of

[tribal cosmos]

[frail veldt]

you dont want to coup into a non fazd mob

you wont get fatal flourish stacks

[frail veldt]

other classes have downtime protection?

[tribal cosmos]

Yes

[frail veldt]

dont they just not have uptime requirements

[tribal cosmos]

Its called cooldowns

[desert tendon]

outlaw needs only one thing

[frail veldt]

thats not downtime protection

thats just having less uptime rewards

[tribal cosmos]

Yes it is

[desert tendon]

zac and zero being quiet for a day

[frail veldt]

no

those are different

[tribal cosmos]

We have no uptime rewards

[frail veldt]

??????????????????

[quick quail]

!fuu

[frail veldt]

brother

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal cosmos]

We only have downtime punishments

[frail veldt]

the whole spec

is uptime rewards

what the actual fuck

[tribal cosmos]

False

Outlaw is punished for downtime

[cinder relic]

I don't think any flat spec has what Ur describing

[tribal cosmos]

Not rewarding for uptime

[frail veldt]

its literally rewarded

for uptime

[cinder relic]

Like enhance was flat for a long time, downtime sucked, kinda just had to hold that

[frail veldt]

thats what cdr is

[tribal cosmos]

Thats why i said outlaw needs some sort of protection for downtime

Yea but outlaw will never be a spikey class

[frail veldt]

I agree it needs downtime proteciton

[tribal cosmos]

The only of its kind that will be left

[frail veldt]

but "having cooldowns" isnt having downtime protection

cuz outlaw has cooldowns

it has super long cooldowns in fact

longest in the game

so that conceptually just doesnt add up

[tribal cosmos]

Something that minimizes long periods of downtime but not work on missing 1-2 gcds for mechanics

[frail veldt]

if youre saying most specs have downtime protection by "having cooldowns" then your suggestion is to add more cooldowns to outlaw???

[random stirrup]

[frail veldt]

spriest isnt a flat spec is it

[tribal cosmos]

@frail veldt no since our cooldowns arent real cooldowns

Theyre maintenance cooldowns

[frail veldt]

yeah cuz we have uptime rewarding cooldowns

[tribal cosmos]

While most classes spike

[random stirrup]

archon is decently flat which plays that talent currently

[frail veldt]

oh nice didnt know they started playing that

kinda cool

[tribal cosmos]

Thats hilarious

A spike class has more downtime protection then us

A ranged spiky class

[frail veldt]

spriest isnt spiky

at all

[cinder relic]

Well this doesn't stop like, tindral flying right

[tribal cosmos]

Who told the spriest to fly

How long was tindral flying

[frail veldt]

its like middle of the pack feels like

[cinder relic]

And uhuh is sort of like that with anything "out of combat m" related, right

[frail veldt]

its def no sub rogue

[random stirrup]

it does not no

[frail veldt]

it would be nice if after 8-10 seconds of not making combat actions that we got the pausing effects of subterfuge

but im not sure they will ever do that

[tribal cosmos]

Sub rogue does like

[vivid vessel]

!up

[frail veldt]

I think a more realistic solution is that we go back to a more manageable level of adr uptime

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[kind otter]

@vivid vessel can you fix smart misdirect?

[tribal cosmos]

15 seconds of dmg

And fhen afks rest od fight

Whats our adren uptime

[random stirrup]

but compared to uhuh it has: extension during loss of control effect (stuff like workshop last boss having a 8s transition stun would be irrelevant if we had this) and storing cooldown for later (could maybe vanish without AR if we had this, though obviously you would want it up)

[tribal cosmos]

99?

[cinder relic]

I don't think any spec has this sort of like

"be afk get a payoff"

[tribal cosmos]

@cinder relic youre in gn ?

[cinder relic]

Yes

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what im sayin

[tribal cosmos]

I know someone there

[frail veldt]

no spec is rewarded for downtime

[tribal cosmos]

Hehehe

[vivid vessel]

no

it works for me tho i think

whats wrong with it

[sour vault]

is that 691 cudgel still obtainable?

[frail veldt]

98.7% yeah

[tribal cosmos]

Nice

[balmy topaz]

1 time a week

[frail veldt]

imo

98.7% is ridiculous

[tribal cosmos]

Why

I like dat

But they nerf our damge up our buff time

HAHAHA

[frail veldt]

because cdr by design is like a non linear scaling system

[tribal cosmos]

Outlaw hits like a pool oodle

[keen belfry]

being tuned around 98.7% ar uptime creates the downtime punishment

[frail veldt]

so even small downtime hurts your adr a lot

[keen belfry]

ur describing deadtube

[frail veldt]

because its a feedback loop

[tribal cosmos]

Look im saying

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly what awang said

were so so so so uptime reliant

[vivid vessel]

what

[kind otter]

@vivid vessel oh nevermind I broke my macro..

[tribal cosmos]

Every 40 gcds you get 1 gcd worth of “ saved buffs when not attacking “

Imagine

[vivid vessel]

if its 99% or 60% you are still losing a similar amount

[frail veldt]

well no

[vivid vessel]

the issue is how they fucked us the energy

out of adr

thats kinda all

[frail veldt]

you lose more uptime the higher your uptime is

[tribal cosmos]

Imagine

Outlaw building haste

[keen belfry]

i want AR to become like a 1 minute CD flat, our energy/gcd functions as if we have perma AR, but AR being a one minute cd (idk or idc about the number this is just an idea) AR is a CD that gives us giga rtb buffs or something idk

[craggy barn]

zac u kill kyvessa yet

[frail veldt]

because adr's uptime benefits from multiple cooldowns

adr's cooldown itself, vanish cooldown improves adr uptime, KS cd improves adr uptime, etc

and they all improve eachother

[cinder relic]

Unless they remove restless blades the spec is always going to be "punished" by downtime

[keen belfry]

yeah

[frail veldt]

so adrs uptime is like a 3rd order polynomial benefitted by uptime

[cinder relic]

Which they shouldn't do

[keen belfry]

i agree

[frail veldt]

so every tiny loss of uptime shits on uptime

[keen belfry]

restless cool

[tribal cosmos]

Dunno we should store adren time

[frail veldt]

yeah

[tribal cosmos]

I say we have a non combat stealth

Doesnt give vanish benefits

[frail veldt]

I mean they "could" in theory bake in a "downtime protection" buff like hes saying

[keen belfry]

i want AR changed with how it interacts with energy/gcd and them to just fix our energy no cap

[tribal cosmos]

But keeps all buffs up

[frail veldt]

its just not very likely that they do it

[tribal cosmos]

@frail veldt thoughts

[frail veldt]

ive always said outlaw should just have a stance

thats like stealth but can be used anytime

[keen belfry]

we should be tuned around AR uptime giving us damage, not giving us energy/gdc reduction. our downtime FEELS way worse cause we dont function withuot AR

[frail veldt]

but again I dont think blizz is interested in that

[keen belfry]

and yes i know AR gives us dmg

[tribal cosmos]

Adrenaline give us big weewee

Let me ask

[keen belfry]

make AR give us direct dmg like rtb buffs, or we spit out piss on the enemy idk

[frail veldt]

yeah its kind of a catch 22 cuz the rewarding feeling of outlaw in part comes from how compounding doing stuff right is

[tribal cosmos]

Whats the required uptime for assa or sub to hit 90% parse

75%?

[frail veldt]

so if you shift away from that then you do end up with potentially less rewarding gameplay

[keen belfry]

yeah

[frail veldt]

wdym

parse is relative to other players

do you mean to hit 90% of sim?

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel update tierlist and add deadtube

[random stirrup]

sub is pretty uptime dependent too

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/contemplating-thinking-eating-chewing-eat-gif-2565612243840698494

[tribal cosmos]

Uhuh

[random stirrup]

not as much as outlaw obv

[keen belfry]

hes ready to be added to tierlist i think

[tribal cosmos]

Ive been here for years

I was on tierlisf before many people were here

Deadtoob diff

[frail veldt]

but yeah I dont disagree that having a downtime protection would make outlaw have less "feelsbad" moments

[stiff vector]

deadtube prepared to be in Zeross tier

[frail veldt]

but I dont think thats a realistic solution that blizz will consider

[keen belfry]

"i was cooked before all you guys were even here"

[stiff vector]

targetcapped approved

[tribal cosmos]

Play well but be unhinged

Das da zeross tier

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder relic]

I've said this many times before, while downtime rn is worse than it used to be. Even in bfa/sl the whole "this spec sucks because downtime exists" has been a talking point forever

It's just how restless blades functions

I've also said for a long time the spec needs a resource reset

50% ar uptime. 98%+ is just silly imho

[keen belfry]

i think energy and gcd shouldfunction regarddless of AR buff presence, and i think AR should be a button that makes us DO dmg not FEEL/ALLOW us to do dmg

if that makes sense

[tribal cosmos]

Just give us shadow priest talent

Shadow priest archon is the better outlaw

[keen belfry]

that thing only works outside of combat cuh

and we can stealth and uhuh it

[tribal cosmos]

I find it pretty fucked up

[keen belfry]

so we have that

[tribal cosmos]

Ranged downtime is seen as more detrimental to devs then melee

[keen belfry]

ur comparing 2 diff things cuh

respect tho

[tribal cosmos]

I say we alllll make twitter accounts

And @ blizzard everyday

[desert tendon]

i wont

i ll @ elon musk instead

[tribal cosmos]

Boomie diff it

[keen belfry]

censi i need a haircutt

[desert tendon]

why do you ask that to the baldest dude in this discord?

[keen belfry]

should i ask them for the irish skinfade

oh shit my bad

[desert tendon]

[keen belfry]

why did everyone in dublin have a skinfade

[desert tendon]

i shave naked my crane since i m 18

[mighty pivot]

if they want to keep the AR uptime that high, they can also pause the timer based on not generating/spending CP reducing the penalty when the melee uptime is low

[vivid vessel]

just make energy not tied to adr lol

the gcd thing is enough

[desert tendon]

delete adr

[keen belfry]

both zac

[desert tendon]

give us shadow gun

90s cd

[keen belfry]

if AR uptime goes down and our GCD is constantly changing

gg

[tribal cosmos]

Or just give us both gcd and energy normalized

At adren

Then adren gives us a fat shotgun

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

Outlaw rework

Should just be a doomslayer

Thoughts

[keen belfry]

just make energy/gcd unaffected by AR and make AR give us dmg like giga rtb buffs or aoe piss (uncapped but prio and flurries)

[tribal cosmos]

SLAYER ROGUE

SLAYERRREE ROGUE

[cinder relic]

Eh I just disagree on the gcd level. I think ar should feel like something

But that's why I dislike 100% ar uptime

[keen belfry]

i think it should feel like something too

[cinder relic]

There's no in, and out feeling

[keen belfry]

make it feel like dmg

[cinder relic]

It's just 98% uptime and then balls

[tribal cosmos]

SLAYERRRRRRR

[keen belfry]

you only feel AR when you dont have it

which is bad

[cinder relic]

Correct

[tribal cosmos]

SSLAYERRRRRRR ROGUE

[keen belfry]

!ban deadtube

[tribal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

Stop coping you know you want it

[cinder relic]

Part of that is the expectation of 98% uptime so anything outside of that feels like shit, part of that is baseline resources being reduced (due to 98% uptime)

[vivid vessel]

i prefer 100% uptime

for a spec that is supposed to be flatline

[desert tendon]

i d prefer a 50% uptime

[vivid vessel]

i think you dont remmeber

back in the days

[tribal cosmos]

50% is ew

[desert tendon]

with smoother out of adr rotation

[tribal cosmos]

That would feel horrible

[vivid vessel]

you lose adr when you need adr to do damage

its bad

[tribal cosmos]

Adren is what gives outlaw rhe smoothness

[vivid vessel]

at least now you can have damage all the time

[desert tendon]

would also maybe make haste not that big of a deal

[vivid vessel]

and hold vanish and shit

[desert tendon]

fk that i want old adr

[keen belfry]

i think restbless blades being a skill expression for vanishes casted/KIR pressed/ks etc is enough skill expression we can exclude AR

[compact narwhal]

tldr dont pug as outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

old adr only felt better because they didnt fuck up the energy lol

[desert tendon]

tldr dont pug in wow

as any class

[tribal cosmos]

Nah outlaw looks pretty good this tier ngl

[compact narwhal]

sadge

xd

[tribal cosmos]

First and last boss will be horrible outlae though

[keen belfry]

outlaw best pug spec

[tribal cosmos]

Be careful

[prisma vessel]

bruh outlaw not bad?

[tribal cosmos]

First and last boss is not outlaw healthy

Care

[prisma vessel]

yeah i noticed 🙁

[tribal cosmos]

Rest looks very good for outlaw

[cinder relic]

We should try formulating a thought before sending 5 messages imo

[desert tendon]

that s too hard for outlaw channel Guy

that s a lost cause

[tribal cosmos]

[prisma vessel]

took me a good 3-6 years before i stopped doing stuff like that...... now its the same mumbo jumbo but in longer sentences xD

[balmy topaz]

Gets the number of messages up

[compact narwhal]

tbf kinda seems dooming bc its not like assa was prevelant all last season, it didnt really come up til towards end of season at least from what i saw, outlaw still feels good imo, tuning might be low but at least i can xmog a sword

[near rock]

me every day that I read this channel

[willow portal]

2 daggers also cool tho

[keen belfry]

otsdarvaa dont forget im in based takes only tier ok?

[willow portal]

just not a mix of both

[vivid vessel]

no one doomed about current outlaw lol

its s3

[mighty pivot]

tbh that tier list would be on D tier in a tier list tier list

[balmy topaz]

Bring back DF s3

[keen belfry]

How cuh

[mighty pivot]

guy and zeross shared a tier

[keen belfry]

kinda based no?

[desert tendon]

bring back df s3 and acro and er tyvm

[keen belfry]

they are both on the extremes, just of completely opposite things

[cinder relic]

There's gonna be a lot of tuning this tier

[fluid iron]

sorry best i can do is nerf outlaw and buff dks

[cinder relic]

Outlaw might be shit for a few weeks but like

[desert tendon]

you racoon 😠

[cinder relic]

They literally balanced every week last tier so

I'd expect similar

[mighty pivot]

so it's like the horseshoe theory but for outlaw chatters?

[keen belfry]

law will be good when it matters

[balmy topaz]

I think you mean buff sub