outlaw

[ocean imp]

I'm an Arcane enjoyer

[jovial dome]

Is the KIR build the same though?

[gaunt phoenix]

u use ks

but ya

[empty patrol]

was a bait to see if u are baiting but u gave an answer i cant interpret,coz i already know fire is dead

[ocean imp]

I do know that Fire is pretty terrible atm

[vivid vessel]

pretty terrible

[ocean imp]

Will probably receive a 30% damage aura buff soon

[empty patrol]

pretty much worse than the pirate

on his worse days

[vivid vessel]

proly better than 80% of the specs in this game not cap

[empty patrol]

arcane and fros tjust superior

[gaunt phoenix]

currently if you are running undermine again then fatebound is a little stronger than before. cuz tails damage was buffed, and trickster damage didn't move a whole lot cause killing spree cooldown

so maybe you fatebound on more bosses idk

[ocean imp]

That privilege man

Meanwhile most melee specs have been down the gutter for the whole expansion

[ocean imp]

I got a group of friends where there is a VDH and a boomie, and the voices are whispering me to play Outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Rog

[ocean imp]

Rouge

[mighty pivot]

zief dps

[tight egret]

What addon is that?

[gaunt phoenix]

details

[tight egret]

Mine doesn't look that fancy

[ocean imp]

Corsair Rog

[gaunt phoenix]

you can edit details heavily

[glass mortar]

guys is it normal a world boss takes 15 minutes to kill btw

this is the most unhinged thing ive experienced in years

[fervent garden]

that fucking dragon thing?

[mighty pivot]

this is a ready-made details appearance

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[glass mortar]

i think his body count was in the triple digits by the time it died

[gaunt phoenix]

that was some classic dragons of nightmare shit

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

!@#>$@34

[glass mortar]

very funny

[vivid vessel]

you tried new ks with lag

or

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[fervent garden]

i thought it was buggeed it took so long

[gaunt phoenix]

ks on world boss

[sudden fulcrum]

I think a lot of people don’t know how it works and the lag doesn’t help either

[glass mortar]

its boring

[vivid vessel]

you get cps like 5s after the channel ends

[glass mortar]

way more boring then the old ks anyway

[mighty pivot]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/details-skin-the-war-within

[glass mortar]

i swear if i had pressed old ks on the world boss as lust went off

i woulda been kspreeing for at least 5 minutes

the lag was crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

does that make details consume 38x more resources

[ocean imp]

I might get flak for this but I actually like fully channeling KS

[vivid vessel]

prolly not its jsut a texture

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean when you see 7cp you dont get the carnal urge to press a finisher?

[vivid vessel]

Ye ok that's unhinged

No way

solo

[ocean imp]

Correct

[vivid vessel]

i added sounds to my ks

much better

[gaunt phoenix]

to the ending?

[vivid vessel]

does tick tick tick tick clockclock

to each tick and the ending

well not the ending, when i get to max cp

[civic zephyr]

this is based

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

I swear it makes the experience 10 times better

Same shit with the sound on ps procs

You play with one or

Idk I couldn't play without it

It's so much better

[civic zephyr]

i think im so used to having your pack that it would be weird to play without it

[vivid vessel]

the sound on ps ?

[civic zephyr]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

sometiems i forget i added it

and its nto a baseline sound

[civic zephyr]

its there on mine and i never changed shit lmao just cool to have

[vivid vessel]

[civic zephyr]

W zac moment fr

[proven ocean]

man

should i name my osrs charecter

yapmaster69

or

[ocean imp]

Guys what would you advice as a recommended ilvl for mythics for next week

I don't want to give views to the dozens of videos about gearing alts

[proven ocean]

just play the game cuh

m+

thats it

x

dd

never watched any gear shit video in my life

and im always ahead of everyone in ilvl

more u play = better gear

[tidal sequoia]

did hallowfall thingies got updated t o691 ilvl ?

[gaunt phoenix]

thank you wise zero

[proven ocean]

np olos

solo*

[tidal sequoia]

i saw that survi hunters are running with the hallowall spear

[proven ocean]

my keyboard is placed in opposite way so i typed ur name opposite

sorry olos

solo

also if u want good long term gearing

[tidal sequoia]

pins read, nvm then

[proven ocean]

dont use the gilded crests on items if ur gonna raid mythic

use them on the highest ilvl piece ur ever gonna acquire

that way when u reach mid season u wont need crests when everyone is at max ilvl

ur gonna be on par with everyone that way

so if u raid hc dont upgr hc pieces just upgrade mythic vault pieces or whatever item is the highest ilvl ur gonna get

same applies to heroic pieces which use the lower tier crests

idk what the crests are called but u get the idea

"now" upgrades are dogshit

never do those

unless ur in a top 20 guild that tells u to do so

that way ur gonna have more ilvl than most players

[true cove]

you playing ironman or ?

[proven ocean]

i had more ilvl than most echo players if not all of them after their race was over

[proven ocean]

cuz of not wasting crests

[proven ocean]

no

[proven ocean]

no offense but anyone playing ironman is stupid

its like playing wow and crafting ur own flask, pots and all the spark crafts

never been a fan of how ur gonna get ur flasks or shit

[true cove]

yea kinda idk i enjoy it more this way tho feels like im doing shit when im legit just afk clicking a rock for 3 hrs

[proven ocean]

i just like playing end game stuff

i just want to be in the leaderboards whenever a new boss gets released

[true cove]

yea in wow tho i can't stand any of that shit either

[proven ocean]

i'll make sure im there when the next one is up

i wasn't ready for doom

but

next one will be it for sure

ngl

[true cove]

🙏

[proven ocean]

osrs is way easier to improve at than i thought

quite straightforward game compared to wow

i dont see any high end players in osrs either most streamers are kinda mid

like missing prayers and such here and there idk

basics

idk if i'll even enjoy it later on the skill ceiling is quite low ngl

[glass mortar]

its not a game where the endgame pvm is designed to be super super hard

[proven ocean]

ya

[true cove]

can't expect to hit every prayer perfectly if you wanna get ppl to watch you, it's almost like a trade off i'd say ?

[glass mortar]

but it manages to make it a good challenge while keeping the basic gameplay premises simple and true to runescape

[proven ocean]

like

[glass mortar]

its a good combo

[proven ocean]

for example

raids look like they're heroic difficulty in wow

but not end of tier kind of hc raids ofc

early hc raids

[true cove]

Like i can watch wow keys but for osrs content its really hard to watch unless it's something new

[proven ocean]

and they're easily farmable from what im seeing when u learn the mechanics

like

ppl are like

ToA max is hard af WTF WTF

but

last boss is just moving left and right

like what

xd

[glass mortar]

thats why alot of the high end players make self challenges and ironman stuff

to increase the difficulty curve

[proven ocean]

i mean sure that shit is extra u can do that with everything

[glass mortar]

like my favorite osrs creater did a challenge where he had 1 hp

[proven ocean]

but thats just making shit up

so

[fervent nest]

Is Outlaw good yet?

[proven ocean]

its like doing +20 keys with 500 ilvl

[glass mortar]

and he saw how far he could get boss wise never taking damage

[proven ocean]

i dont see those things realistic

just real gameplay and full gear + what the game offers

is what works for me

like if ur gonna do mythic raid with 10 players instead of 20 that sjust not how its designed i wont enjoy that

even if i manage to do it

it'll be w.e

atleast theres inferno but idk inferno isn't as hard as it was in 2018 not even close

u have a shit ton of new items and every mechanic is out there bundled in 1 video etc

[glass mortar]

i wanted to try the new rs3 boss but its a group boss again

[proven ocean]

ngl

most thing i truly dont enjoy in osrs is just skilling like RC

stupid af

ngl

[hybrid crown]

The difference is that osrs is easy and they have to find shit to make it interesting

Wow is actually hard

Well...

[proven ocean]

wow is way harder for sure

i feel like my brain is shut off even in inferno like

legit nothing happening

u just safe spot shit and know how to deal with each wave

etc etc

[hybrid crown]

Also prayer flicking is stupid

[proven ocean]

awakened bosses like vardovis is like

2 tile movement and 2 prayer hits range+magic

thats it

"hard boss" btw

i'll get blood torva later but w.e im trying to get 99 crafting+cons

[hybrid crown]

Like ooh look how fast this guy is clicking through menus 😯

[proven ocean]

ngl

[hollow thunder]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

most osrs community is giga braindead when it comes to minmaxes

lots of things i learned from wow i could easily put into play in osrs

[glass mortar]

they probably just dont care

[proven ocean]

and osrs players are just stupid af when it comes to pve

[glass mortar]

ur minmaxing in a game where the hardest content can be completed by armor half the level of the content

its like saying delve only players r kinda braindead at minmaxing u know

[proven ocean]

like i know im a new player but im pretty sure im doing few things very good already

[glass mortar]

its probably true but a result of the type of content it is

[proven ocean]

no not those guys like

medium to high players are usually -100 iq

top top are diff for sure tho

definitely less than the top players in wow tho

i don't think anything u can do in osrs will ever be harder than the hardest things in wow

its just alot of brain power in wow that happens around in some fights

like swampface in floodgates as assa rogue in giga high key

we were progging +20 world first we depleted it by like 3 sec

swampface at the ilvl i was at was absolutely crazy to live ngl

u had to use ur defensives extremely accurately and precisely

otherwise u just die

[glass mortar]

ross u really dont need to overexplain "the hardest wow content is harder then the hardest osrs content" i dont think anyone in here would disagree

id be surprised if any player that plays both disagrees tbh

thats not what osrs is mainly about tho

[proven ocean]

osrs is mostly casual content imo

theres nothing competitive

[glass mortar]

i mean u could argue the casual content is literally competative

since theres leaderboards for just raw xp

but not competative in the way u mean yea

[proven ocean]

cant imagine a clan in osrs would build up a studio like this

because raids are giga braindead

even at their highest difficulty

[proven ocean]

thats just grinding

and speedrunning

[glass mortar]

yes

still competative tho

[proven ocean]

yes but thats not the kind of competitiveness that im talking about here weran

im sure u know what im talking about

[glass mortar]

it doesnt have the type of boss following community that wow has tho right

[proven ocean]

skill competitiveness

who is better

at combat

[glass mortar]

yes i said that

[proven ocean]

etc

o

ye

that

its not just that, jagex also doesn't want the game to giga expand in that area

its probably bad and will spark controversy

making the game as hard as wow is gonna be insane ngl

[glass mortar]

i mean osrs is supposed to be about making new stuff while staying true to original runescape (thats why its not rs3)

and original runescape wasnt really about high end min maxes and super hard bosses

[proven ocean]

ye ofc

[glass mortar]

so it makes sense

[proven ocean]

like

[desert tendon]

zeross the least based person on earth

no cap

[proven ocean]

u wont have a boss that u have to die 400 times before killing him while each pull takes 10 mins

in osrs

and still die 50 times each time to kill it

meanwhile everything gets 1 shot when ur good at it in osrs

because its just practically easy

[glass mortar]

the funny part is the level of sweating ur talking about for competative wow does happen in runescape from time to time

its almost always about being as sweaty and minmaxy as possible about xp rates for leveling tho

not about fighting npcs

[proven ocean]

nah idc about xp rates

that shit is like super mario speedruns

idc about those

[glass mortar]

sure im just saying thats what the community focus would end up on

[gaunt phoenix]

alright

[proven ocean]

no

olos

dont

[gaunt phoenix]

im gonna censor osrs talk

[proven ocean]

say the words

!

[glass mortar]

[proven ocean]

ok

but

do u think that outlaw is hard

or

[sudden fulcrum]

About time

[proven ocean]

??

[glass mortar]

i checked the death log and the world boss killed 183 people on our kill

[proven ocean]

LMAO

[glass mortar]

anyone beat that

[gaunt phoenix]

i kinda liked it

but rogue is invincible

[glass mortar]

honestly im surprised its that low, everytime he came back from being phased and spawning adds and did his big aoe ticking damage

80% of the 40 man raid would die

[proven ocean]

did u try playing dk

[glass mortar]

it was very funny

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

[glass mortar]

i didnt die tho

[proven ocean]

rogue is giga squishy

compared to the "tanky" classes

outlaw is fine tho

in open world

[random stirrup]

only pig assa is squishy

[prisma vessel]

just push feint 😄

[proven ocean]

due to crackshot

healing u a shit ton

but

generally like

dk is giga rogue on steroids

idk if they nerfed their survivability

but ye

[glass mortar]

they did

both r super tanky tho ye

[proven ocean]

how big

[glass mortar]

no clue i aint a dk player

and this was in s2

dont think it got nerfed in s3

[proven ocean]

nah its still way tankier if nothing happened recently

[glass mortar]

they were even tankier then live in s1

[proven ocean]

its not even close

man

can they bring 2 min cheatdeath back

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk why there was something weirdly charming about that longass world boss

im becoming classic pilled

[glass mortar]

id find it charming if it was like 10m of me doing a dps rotation

instead its 10 minutes of abolute nonsense

[hybrid crown]

The only issue I have is how laggy it is

[mighty pivot]

10 minute kill and 5s lag between abilities

[glass mortar]

does anyone have a pc that can actually play the game like a real game on a 40 man raid boss

surely its just blizzards game issues

[hybrid crown]

The game actually can't handle open world large raids now

[glass mortar]

especially since outlaw is supremely pathetic when u have this type of lag

might as well just be autoattacking

crackshot window ends before ur first bte registers

let alone a reset

[proven ocean]

man

i love eating cows

no cappi

[glass mortar]

maybe i should just mash the 1 button macro for this type of thing

i wonder how it deals with lag

i do like the mechanics of this world boss honestly now that i read what ur supposed to do, i was like are we all supposed to be phase diving the whole fight or something?

but i didnt see any portals spawn during our fight so i put it down to lag + bugginess

[mighty pivot]

you won't notice the increased gcd at least

[tight kernel]

@gaunt phoenix What’s the rule with Vanish in FB build?

[gaunt phoenix]

you try to vanish only when rp is active or supercharger becomes active

[tight kernel]

So lower count is acceptable in fb build

[gaunt phoenix]

lower total vanish casts? no not really

you still dont overcap vanish

[tight kernel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v1PMz4xYQXg8rc97?fight=12&type=casts&source=21

ah so i just messed up then

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you didnt vanish for like 2 minutes

at the end

[stiff vector]

no vanish for 2 min is crazywork

[tight kernel]

Raid kinda scuffed ngl I need to watch VOD to figure out why I didn’t vanish lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

u dont need to worry about killing spree cd

as fatebound

[glass mortar]

and if Ar would fall off to be clear

[gaunt phoenix]

of course

im surprised you kept AR active with no vanishes for so long

[wraith glen]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

our timeline looks like guitar hero or some shit

[tight kernel]

Yeah no clue. I need to watch vod, something must’ve been going on cause the whole raid was just scuffed since patch.

[gaunt phoenix]

it was the moon

[tight kernel]

Okay I’ll make a mental to note to watch my vanish timings during vod review

Thank you solo!

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe adjust ui

if i cap vanish

my WA is like

the fuck are you doing

[late swallow]

full moon on aug 9

let's fucking go

sturgeon moon

[tight kernel]

I think I was over fixating something and was only vanishing for ar

[proven ocean]

goon day

M+ day*

wrong chat

[tight kernel]

So I prob sat on 2 charges a lot

[hollow thunder]

Someone has a Hidden Blade weakaura which only is visible at 1+ Stacks?

[proven ocean]

do u think dua lipa plays outlaw?

[hollow thunder]

Yes

[proven ocean]

@late swallow thoughts

[late swallow]

dua lipa for sure plays outlaw

she uses hekili though

pinkpantheress is the only pop cutie who raw dogs outlaw

[proven ocean]

is baqzi dua pila

lipa

[late swallow]

people are saying she uses zac's pack

[proven ocean]

[tight kernel]

Oh are we still opening with GS as FB?

I just kind of AR

I remember vaguely there being a bug about that

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

err

the problem is when AR breaks stealth directly

you can /cancelaura stealth /cast AR

[glass mortar]

so does the problem not happen if u ghostly to open

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

more specifically, the problem is tails damage breaking stealth

[tight kernel]

Okay I gotta get into that habit then to open with GS rather than AR

[gaunt phoenix]

if you ghostly then ghostly breaks stealth, not tails

[vivid vessel]

You probably will ADR first half the times cause you weren't in melee tho let's be honest

[balmy spade]

with old tier set, is trickster still better to go for full single target or should I go coingaming?

[gaunt phoenix]

coins are better st

even with old tier

not hugely tho

[balmy spade]

youre the best solo

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah so the macro is prob better

[vivid vessel]

its eating a prime bind of mine

and it makes me so mad

[tight kernel]

Wait I can just perma use that macro for FB? Or would it only work with opener

[vivid vessel]

you can

only issue is if you enter a key with it

sometimes it might not be what you want

[tight kernel]

Yeah but doubt we play fb in keys right?

[vivid vessel]

we wont

[tight kernel]

Cool I’ll just make that macro for FB then

[stiff vector]

wait so how do I get 691 cudgel, just spam nightfalls and hope the boss drops the veteran track one?

[gaunt phoenix]

nah it's just the weekly bag

[balmy topaz]

Naa only from the weekly

[stiff vector]

oh

rip I got a fucking cape

[gaunt phoenix]

from the quest reward

time to uninstall

[stiff vector]

guess ill just buy the adv one for now

[balmy topaz]

Oooo very nice

[hallow spoke]

wait did they nerf the nightfall event bag? it was giving veteran track ydya

[gaunt phoenix]

no the bag does give veteran

but the proc mace is not in the loot pool

[hallow spoke]

the service reward for 100% was giving it too

[gaunt phoenix]

you can spam the event for random veteran gear but it wont be cudgel

[hallow spoke]

seems nerf'd to adv now tho :S

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

i guess it is for the best

are you saying the weekly bag gave you adventurer track?

[thorny willow]

ye 2/8 adv

[hallow spoke]

no the service 100% reward (epic bag)

[late swallow]

my name is Somnius and I'm really glad to meet you. you're recommended to me by some people

[balmy topaz]

Yeah so I came back this season and we can’t pre AR on raid bosses as we lose the CPs so do we just wait till combat start?

[gaunt phoenix]

is this illegal

ya

[tropic zephyr]

solo, with a myth MH, what is the ilvl of OH needed to replace 678 and 691 cudgel?

cause I understood that with full gear, cudgel is barely worth

[gaunt phoenix]

hero track or higher offhand basically replaces 678 cudgel everywhere except on like 20 mob pulls

[tropic zephyr]

ok

and i guess m track replaces 691

[gaunt phoenix]

691 cudgel will still beat hero or mythic offhand at 4-5 targets or so

so 691 cudgel is technically worth it

hence the whole thing

of trying to get it

[balmy topaz]

But only by a few % right

[gaunt phoenix]

well ya

[balmy topaz]

I guess it’s still worth to swap

[tropic zephyr]

oh? ok, so it's the 678 one that's only worth in omega big pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, 678 is whatever, 691 is worth it

[tropic zephyr]

but with 691 one we can basically play with weapon swap as we did this season

it's just less worth cause we can't have the free weapon swap with KS at the end of fights when mob counts get low

[gaunt phoenix]

678 is good right now cause we have baby gear

[frank finch]

dual wield cudgel

[dull fable]

Will there be a way of getting cudgel guaranteed later on

Or is it just coin flip now

[fervent garden]

ha. at one point yesterday, i had 1 S2 cudgel, 1 678, and 1 691 at the same time

[tropic zephyr]

yeah ofc

thanks

[balmy topaz]

And sorry solo, with trickster in opener we want to get a vanish off before double coup?

[hallow spoke]

ye my other rewards are not nerf'd but the new ones are huh

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

wtf ruby is double couping

already has 4set?????

[balmy topaz]

[covert kestrel]

Hey there, welcome to #outlaw! 👋 I’m Fronteir – some folks around here call me Big Daddy F – and I’ll be your guide as you dive into the swashbuckling chaos that is the outlaw rogue life.

Now, I know things might look a little overwhelming at first – all the chatter, theorycrafting, debates, and memes flying around – but don’t worry. You’ll get the hang of it in no time. We’ve all been there, and you’re in good hands. Just keep a dagger in one hand and a sense of humor in the other.

While you’re settling in, here are three things to keep an eye out for:
1. Zac and Zeross bickering – They’re like an old married couple who both think they’re right 100% of the time. It’s mostly harmless, but if you wander into their debate crossfire, you might leave more confused than when you started.
2. ForeverGuy and the spec complaints – Thinking of venting about Outlaw? Fair warning: ForeverGuy has a sixth sense for that. He’ll appear instantly and start explaining why you’re wrong, like a disappointed dad who just found your PvP logs.
3. Fast-moving chat – Seriously, this place can move fast. If you don’t stop and scroll back every now and then, you might miss some gems (or at least a good laugh). Don’t be afraid to ask if you missed something – we don’t bite (unless it’s themed RP night).

I’m always around if you’ve got questions – whether it’s about builds, rotation, gearing, or where to get the best transmog for maximum pirate energy. Drop a message anytime. 🏴‍☠️

Glad to have you aboard! Let’s crack some skulls.

— Fronteir (Big Daddy F)

[balmy topaz]

What the helly

[gaunt phoenix]

Why

[late swallow]

lmao what

[vivid vessel]

what the helly

[random stirrup]

Thinking of venting about Outlaw? Fair warning: ForeverGuy has a sixth sense for that. He’ll appear instantly and start explaining why you’re wrong, like a disappointed dad who just found your PvP logs.

[vivid vessel]

ForeverGuy and the spec complaints – Thinking of venting about Outlaw? Fair warning: ForeverGuy has a sixth sense for that. He’ll appear instantly and start explaining why you’re wrong, like a disappointed dad who just found your PvP logs.,

[glass mortar]

outlaw vented

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

:sus:

[late swallow]

god this is so good dude holy

[gaunt phoenix]

we need an ai filter

[late swallow]

solo can you pin that shit?

or add it to the outlaw guide

[vivid vessel]

solo pin that shit instead

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

on topic

[vivid vessel]

on topic

[white marten]

On topic

[balmy topaz]

Ohh my god

I miss that so much

On topic

[hollow portal]

https://x.com/Play_Fellowship/status/1953486294333485453 🗡️

Fellowship (@Play_Fellowship)

Kicking off our new Hero Spotlight series, meet Mara! 🗡️

This melee DPS assassin uses stealth to get up close and personal to land surprising and devasting attacks! 💥

📝 Wishlist & Follow Fellowship on Steam > https://t.co/4ssi7tguIu

X · Aug 7, 2025, 4:00 PM

[rotund zodiac]

how do I fill the last m0 slot?

[quaint wharf]

oooOooo is this illegal

[balmy topaz]

Just repeat 2 more random ones

Any you pref

[vivid vessel]

OMG

[balmy topaz]

You just get no loot

[rotund zodiac]

oh you can play the same dung?

[vivid vessel]

THE AMBUSH

ANIMATION

I CANT

[rotund zodiac]

I see

[vivid vessel]

its litteralky the same animation

[gaunt phoenix]

why are they

reusing animations

is this illegal

[glass mortar]

iirc a bunch of the devs for this are bigtime wow m+ enjoyers

[vivid vessel]

well ye

lol

[glass mortar]

who knows about the animation

[vivid vessel]

the game is clearly a copy paste of wow m+

which is fine

[glass mortar]

i personally have more of an issue with the spinny knife animation she does right at the start

that is clearly eviscerating her own arms midway

[vivid vessel]

the animation for ambush being 1:1 is crazy tho

or

[glass mortar]

each spin

[bright crane]

Rofl wow

[quaint wharf]

perfect use of this

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

i mean can u trademark animations of abilities lol

it is kinda funny

[vivid vessel]

nop

but

[proven ocean]

advertisement of other games is illegal here

[vivid vessel]

but ye its sub tho

no outlaw yet

!

[random stirrup]

spider powder 🕷️

[gaunt phoenix]

what a weird

game

[vivid vessel]

hm

[proven ocean]

on topic

[vivid vessel]

is it

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

is this temu m+?

[vivid vessel]

i think its rather weird that wow hasnt evolved a bit more toward that

[hollow portal]

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJ

[proven ocean]

on topic

[balmy topaz]

Zac do you remember that game on steam

[vivid vessel]

yew there is only m+ (and raid in the future)

[balmy topaz]

That you gave me a code for

[vivid vessel]

you juist login and queue

[vivid vessel]

i dont

[balmy topaz]

And it lasted like a good week

[vivid vessel]

what was it

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk printing knock off wow assets into a different game is weird

[random stirrup]

game is pretty if you're an m+ enjoyer, bit simplistic still though

[glass mortar]

i have several friends who have been involved with the NDA testing of the game on and off and they sound quite taken by it ngl

[proven ocean]

they've been advertising it as wow

[glass mortar]

altho they cant say much obviously

[proven ocean]

which is giga clear

[vivid vessel]

eh

[proven ocean]

they aren't trying to hide it, they aren't the only game

[vivid vessel]

this is a funny example

with the ambush animation

[glass mortar]

well yes the game is just supposed to be a better wow m+ simulator

[proven ocean]

alot of other games use exactly the same wow charecters even

[vivid vessel]

but its clearly not just a knock off

[glass mortar]

its certainly not the same as wow if u have played it

[proven ocean]

but most of those are mobile games

and that is a mobile game but integrated to pc

[glass mortar]

but u can see where they are taking points from it

[proven ocean]

which is really the same shit

[gaunt phoenix]

okay but it also has fok and mutilate animations

[vivid vessel]

like what

frost mage ?

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel it was fellowship

[vivid vessel]

thats the most basic archetypc of mage tho

like its just a mage

that does frost things

[random stirrup]

let me look to see what theyve released officially before i elaborate

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOL

[glass mortar]

oh yea i meant the gameplay, some of these animations are clearly copy pasted

[proven ocean]

SHADOW STRIKE + VOID ELF TELEPORT

AND FoK

all exact copies

LOOOOOOOOOL

no way

mutilate too

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

dude

its literally void elf assa

in that video

copy paste

but with shadowstrike

shadowstep too

lmao

[shell fossil]

IT'

[vivid vessel]

stfu ryldd

[shell fossil]

S okay i hate reading

whoops :b

[vivid vessel]

ok

im blocking you ryldd

fucking cock tease

[random stirrup]

im sorry

[vivid vessel]

i swear to god

[proven ocean]

the account has 6k followers

game is dead before it was even released

idk how wow streamers even took the #ad

prob got paid alot

early on that is

[random stirrup]

its a fun game

[glass mortar]

game looks sick

i hope it ends up sick

[proven ocean]

i dont think its fun at all no offense to the devs

but

thats budget M+ that has mobile games-like graphics and design

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix call me copper but, fellowship is the reason we got all the m+ changes recently, the new aoe visuals are copied from fellowship, the new frontals are the same, the waystone etc

[frail veldt]

which game this one or the one that zac played a while ago

[proven ocean]

it looks giga cringe if u play mobile games

[frail veldt]

or are those the same?

[vivid vessel]

ye it is

the same

[frail veldt]

ah kk

[balmy topaz]

I do agree

[random stirrup]

ye i wouldnt be surprised if this was true

[balmy topaz]

I played fellowship and it was just clearer

[proven ocean]

zac — 8:34 PM
@solo call me copper but, fellowship is the reason we got all the m+ changes recently, the new aoe visuals are copied from fellowship, the new frontals are the same, the waystone etc
Zeross the Based
[OSRS]
— 8:34 PM
it looks giga cringe if u play mobile games
Mewo — 8:34 PM
which game this one or the one that zac played a while ago
or are those the same?
zac — 8:34 PM
ye it is
the same
Mewo — 8:34 PM
ah kk
Ruby - #1 Oxi fan 🧢★ — 8:34 PM
I do agree
Ryldd
[SOMA]
— 8:34 PM
ye i wouldnt be surprised if this was true
Ruby - #1 Oxi fan 🧢★ — 8:34 PM
I played fellowship and it was just clearer

[desert tendon]

@zac call me copper but, fellowship is the reason we got all the m+ changes recently, the new aoe visuals are copied from fellowship, the new frontals are the same, the waystone etc

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i'm aware, i've seen fellowship discussed before

i want to root for it tho the animation copying is strange to me

[proven ocean]

censi

did u see battlefield 6

exploding rn

almost 1m views

[vivid vessel]

ye no the animations being 1:1 for rogue is weird lol

[proven ocean]

on hcwitch

twitch*

[desert tendon]

i dont like BF zero

[proven ocean]

?!?>

its

1m

views

cuh

[keen belfry]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[proven ocean]

nocappi

highest streamer 200k

[vivid vessel]

you dont like blade flurry?

[proven ocean]

no cappi

or

[desert tendon]

it s not because it s trendy

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

thats fucked up bro

[desert tendon]

that s it s good

[proven ocean]

well i think the maps are shit

but

[desert tendon]

BF pvp is trash, and the campaign is shit

[proven ocean]

idk if the game is good

[desert tendon]

cod pvp is trash, but at least the campaign is great

[proven ocean]

i dont think they realize they need island maps

like bf44

bf4

[glass mortar]

wft just because bf got nerfed doesnt mean u can trash it like that

[random stirrup]

holy cannoli its him

[frail veldt]

Honestly I always thought BF was so shit

[random stirrup]

tomelvis

[glass mortar]

someone get this mans out of here

[frail veldt]

its so boring

[desert tendon]

fk bf

[frail veldt]

youspend so much time just running to get back to combat

only to die to someone who literally just camps 95% of the game

[proven ocean]

sounds like ur dying perma

[frail veldt]

its like the worst combat of any fps

[proven ocean]

actual skill issue comment

ngl

[frail veldt]

its just not a good game lol

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

I wouldnt say bf is trash in pvp, its like less good than in pve sure, but the cleave is quite decent say like in 3v3, and it can be quite good in a big bg aoeing everyone

[proven ocean]

nah mewo

[gaunt phoenix]

they didnt filter out the boosters it seems

[frail veldt]

its a boomer game

[proven ocean]

thats the most skill issue comment i've read all year

ngl

[frail veldt]

for sure

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[frail veldt]

who are bad at aiming

so they like to pretend to have good "strategy"

[proven ocean]

?

mewo

ur just yapping rn

[frail veldt]

snooze fest

[proven ocean]

cuz

[desert tendon]

yea zac but i lost PC because of all the imps from the fukken lock ya know

[proven ocean]

bf4

[frail veldt]

never b een good

[proven ocean]

was giga good

[red zinc]

Wait

[frail veldt]

never will be good

[proven ocean]

alot of good players

[red zinc]

Aug was the worst spec in the game?

[frail veldt]

bf4 sucks ass too that was the one I played

[red zinc]

Fire

[frail veldt]

awful game

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[desert tendon]

the great thing of bf4

is the number of player per game

[proven ocean]

more cooked than a french chef's burnt pan

[desert tendon]

that s all

[proven ocean]

no cappi

[desert tendon]

you wer playing bf4

[proven ocean]

mewo

[vivid vessel]

i doubt there is many involved aug players lol

[desert tendon]

meanwhile MW3 was there

idk

[vivid vessel]

like there is rogues

[proven ocean]

you've exceeded your daily cooked takes kindly dont attempt to further cook

"bf4 bad"

[frail veldt]

its just bad

[proven ocean]

and ur just wrong

[frail veldt]

What about it is good

[proven ocean]

lmaoaoao

?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think xeph said that devoker is a booster and he would really be r1 without it

[proven ocean]

being in a battlefield

[vivid vessel]

aah

[proven ocean]

what

[glass mortar]

me when personal game preference

[proven ocean]

lmao

[frail veldt]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

a boostie you mean

[frail veldt]

that is the most

non answer

[proven ocean]

u can hate the game

[frail veldt]

ive ever heard

[proven ocean]

sure

but

the game was giga good

[glass mortar]

i have a hot take for u both, call of duty and bf are both boring af and bad

[frail veldt]

the game was popular

[proven ocean]

nah mewo

[frail veldt]

but poplar does not equal good

[glass mortar]

me when i dont like a type of shooters

[proven ocean]

its just stupid to say that the most popular game at its time is bad

ngl

like

[frail veldt]

if that were true then lady gaga would be the best musician of all time

[proven ocean]

giga stupid

cuz it was super popular and really good

it was the most game i enjoyed out of all shooter games even

sure its not the game for u

[gaunt phoenix]

she is 💅

[proven ocean]

but

[frail veldt]

lol tru

[proven ocean]

its not a bad game especially bf4

[frail veldt]

but really what aobut battlefield makes it fun to you

[proven ocean]

the ones afterwards all sucked

[proven ocean]

yo what does call of duty make it fun for u

[balmy topaz]

Knew it

[proven ocean]

same ass question what do u want me to say

shooting bullets in an island?

like

what

[balmy topaz]

Bet solo listens to bad romance on repeat

[vivid vessel]

yoooo

i love that song

[tight kernel]

Didn’t Mila Kunis play wow

[glass mortar]

lady gaga slaps tho

[agile orchid]

does that game have outlaw rogue in it?

[frail veldt]

the pacing, the gunplay, the mechanics of movement, really quick gameplay loop

[balmy topaz]

It is a banger

[frail veldt]

gun variety, not being too serious/competitive

[proven ocean]

bf4 was good cuz u could fly fighterjets and kill ppl, kill ppl from rly far in a big ass island

and big ass maps where u just kill ppl for 500-800meters away

feels like an actual battlefield irl

especially bf4 was very immersive since some of the maps have good rain graphics

[frail veldt]

bf4 is the epitome of zero sum game design, where for any bit of fun youre having killing people from a fighter jet from really far away, someone else is dying in spawn from a fighter jet.....

[proven ocean]

i think all game devs underestimate how the atmosphere affects how good the game is

cuz

bf4

[frail veldt]

like its just a horrendous game imo

[proven ocean]

with the rains and shit in the island

was SOOOOOOO good

[frail veldt]

I know people like it

[proven ocean]

mewo

bad game is cooked

[frail veldt]

but I feel like mechanically the game is just piss poor

[proven ocean]

dont ever say that cuz thats more cooked than everything guy said in bfa combined

[frail veldt]

and people just fall in love with the aesthetic and pseudo realism

[proven ocean]

its like saying chicken is so shit how do ppl eat chicken while ur vegan

people that eat chicken enjoy chicken

same as bf4

bf4 was really good and super popular

[frail veldt]

it was popular

[proven ocean]

most popular shooting game at the time

and u hated it

thats ur opinion

its not a fact about the game being bad

[formal crest]

Is it true that HO trickster will spam SS a lot in s3?

[proven ocean]

ur saying NO THE GAME IS BAD CCUZ I SAID SO

[frail veldt]

yeah I will continue to think its a bad game til someone gives me reasons otherwise lol

I gave you reasons why it was bad

you gave me reasons why you had fun, not why it was good

[proven ocean]

cooked mewo

[frail veldt]

I am not saying no one can have fun while playing it

[proven ocean]

?

fun = good what are u talking about

[vivid vessel]

no, ambush consumes unseen blades

[proven ocean]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

the same way ss does

[glass mortar]

yes because you wont be playing HO you'll be kir

[vivid vessel]

solo you are too slow noob

[frail veldt]

you can have fun playing a bad game

which you did

[glass mortar]

but other then that idk why you'd hear that

[proven ocean]

my guy says "you gave me reasons why its fun and not why its good" HUUUUH

XDXDXD

[proven ocean]

not a bad game LOOOOOL

[frail veldt]

yes if this doesnt make sense to you then I cant help you

you can also enjoy watching a bad movie

ever seen "the room"?

[formal crest]

I mean since base proc is 40% and we lose tier set, we are going to see a lot SS

[gaunt phoenix]

i think good or bad media is an opinion

[proven ocean]

it sold over 7million copies btw

[formal crest]

28 for ambush

[glass mortar]

proc rate is the same it was in s1 tho

[proven ocean]

more than wow expansions

incase u arent aware

[glass mortar]

did u spam ss in s1

[proven ocean]

ur acting like those players in general chat spamming wow is bad when they play it everyday

[frail veldt]

Yeah I mean quality for media is super subjective

[proven ocean]

doomer behavior

[formal crest]

It was FB its 5% more 🙂

[glass mortar]

u will have slightly less uptime on SnC buff then you do on live but it wont be super noticable like that

[vivid vessel]

tier set doesnt really gives us more procs tho, it increase slighly rthe uptime on snc which is indirectly more procs but nore that much more

[frail veldt]

I just think its a bad game and I told you why lol idk why its upsetting

[vivid vessel]

well you diodnt play fb much even in s2 or

fb was mostly for pure st

which will still be the case anywya

[proven ocean]

i didnt say i was upset im just saying ur fact is wrong

[formal crest]

I mean s1

[glass mortar]

mewo surely you've realized this is a pointless convo by now

[frail veldt]

it always is

its zeross

[vivid vessel]

s1 ye you played fb always

fb does have 5% more

[proven ocean]

says you

[vivid vessel]

which is barely noticeable

[proven ocean]

last conversation we had was giga cooked ngl

[frail veldt]

are you not zeross?

[proven ocean]

it was overcooked my pc almost exploded

im proud to announce mewo is more cooked than everyone in ravenholdt

🏅

[frail veldt]

an award about being cooked from you is meaningless

[proven ocean]

you earned it

im always based mewo

never been wrong in my life

[proven ocean]

ye zac made that list

and guy is the 2nd most based guy in ravenholdt

after me ofc

[vivid vessel]

ye thats a good one

[frail veldt]

whoa now

you sure you wana stand by that?

[proven ocean]

ye

i always will

[frail veldt]

so you also hate KiR?

[balmy topaz]

Where tf am I

[wooden pilot]

accurate

[vivid vessel]

you werent there i think whn i made it

i just picked people from chat

[balmy topaz]

That’s toxic wtf

[vivid vessel]

• i was in a key it was in between killing sprees

[gaunt phoenix]

ruby you are a legacy act now

[vivid vessel]

i didnt have that much time

[proven ocean]

zac is nowhere near based he's prob layed off shore catching eggs in the sea which clearly dont exist

💀

[worldly shale]

So returning to outlaw?

[frail veldt]

what does that even mean ROFL

lololol

what is that saying???

[mighty pivot]

so KS isn't long enough is what you're saying

[proven ocean]

too cooked to understand

see

mewo

i told u

[balmy topaz]

Ye I’m washed up

[proven ocean]

mewo

no cappi

[frail veldt]

laid off shore catching eggs in the sea?

[cinder relic]

Truth nuke

[frail veldt]

LOL

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

WHAT EVEN IS THAT

[proven ocean]

see

mewo

even guy agree's

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[frail veldt]

why would guy not agree that you said hes based

[vivid vessel]

guy being a contrarian again

[frail veldt]

LOL

imagine

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

idk why u guys think guy is cooked

u guys are just making shit up 24/7 to make urselves feel better

i understand that but laying it off on him is odd

he's been giga accurate with all his data and info about outlaw and all classes

i haven't read anything that might feel off about anything lately really

[frail veldt]

I dont think guy likes it when we agree with him

makes something feel off in the world

[random stirrup]

Guy flips a coin between completely omega based takes and just schizoposting

[proven ocean]

ur just mad when someone sends 5 msg's at once

when u clearly send 10x that

and dont even feel it urself

[harsh forge]

did haste scaling change over the patch or something ? i have like 3% more haste than i had when i logged out last season

[proven ocean]

thats giga omega schizo behavior if u ask me ryldd

[harsh forge]

i was at 20% now i’m at 23%

[proven ocean]

makes u the most cooked guy confirmed??

[harsh forge]

or maybe there’s some haste buff from world content

[gaunt phoenix]

what is your haste rating

[random stirrup]

yes me am cooked

Guy is trending upwards though

He’s aging like wine I cannot lie

Takes improve by the day

[harsh forge]

it’s like 23% now. was 20% before patch

no gear change

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean rating like the number

not percentage

[random stirrup]

Unlike u zeross u become more cooked by the day

[wooden pilot]

guy twitter takes are always very sane

[proven ocean]

nope

[random stirrup]

Maybe he’s taking ur good ideas and stealing the life out of u

[proven ocean]

i cooked last season's entire m+ build for assa that everyone played how am i cooked

[harsh forge]

ah. im not on rn let me see if i can see it on armory or soemthing

[vivid vessel]

guy will tweet something then come in here to argue against people that have the same opinion than his twitter persona

[proven ocean]

i invest heavily into rogue

[frail veldt]

its all that assa playing

fried his brain

[proven ocean]

and research new things all the time

[wooden pilot]

That’s actually true

[random stirrup]

the real zeros would never convert to assa

[proven ocean]

i found alot of new sub things and outlaw things throughout the years

[frail veldt]

the real zeros died when he fotm rerolled

[proven ocean]

idk what makes u think im a sin guy

[wooden pilot]

gangster move imo

[proven ocean]

brb gotta go pick up osomething irl

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

yo

[vivid vessel]

you are getting skill issued a lot lately

i noticed

[frail veldt]

whatd I do

[indigo token]

i fucking hate the pre-season

[vivid vessel]

argue with zeross in 2025

even i stopped

[frail veldt]

oh

Im just sippin my coffee

[balmy topaz]

You taking the bait

[frail veldt]

I enjoy it

warms my fingers up for a day of work

[vivid vessel]

haha

[wooden pilot]

I haven’t been in this discord since s1 and I come back and it’s the exact same and I love it

Home

[frail veldt]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

welcome back cuh

[frail veldt]

aint leavin

[vivid vessel]

i rmemeber you

[balmy topaz]

Exact same people as well I bet

[random stirrup]

The same minus ryukage

[balmy topaz]

[random stirrup]

Our prophet

[late swallow]

Rip the goat

[frail veldt]

sleep well sweet prince

[balmy topaz]

What a swell guy

[wooden pilot]

I remember him, what did I miss

[wooden pilot]

I remember you too

[late swallow]

Ryu is a curator at the museum of african american history

[frail veldt]

well except for the far right brainrot

[late swallow]

After his mlk copy pasta

[vivid vessel]

he cooked too close to the sun

[random stirrup]

Flew too close to the sun

[balmy topaz]

I mean yeah you’re not wrong

[vivid vessel]

burnt himself

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

thats a good phrase

[wooden pilot]

Lmao

[frail veldt]

imma use that

[random stirrup]

[wooden pilot]

Rip

[vivid vessel]

hehe

[mighty pivot]

icaryukage

[balmy topaz]

[wooden pilot]

Ahh

[balmy topaz]

I mean zac we almost did as well

Do you remember

[vivid vessel]

hm

[balmy topaz]

A certain enjoy

[late swallow]

Icaryukage