#outlaw
lime lake
hasty warren
So for crafts we do weapon + ring ?
agile orchid
I like the new killing spree
but I still feel nerfed
I was doing more aoe before the patch
pls buff
shell fossil
mega dungeon
frank finch
theres a world we get nerfed cuz of m0 dmg
shell fossil
monk got a champ track sailcarver
frank finch
frank finch
im doing way more dmg then nayone else atm in m0
vivid vessel
im doing way more dmg then nayone else atm in m0
nah
i think you get nerfed for radi
when the aoe bosses come out
vivid vessel
its funny there is such a disparity
between diff content
outlaw aoe in keys is very low/mid pack in real keys on ptr
normal forge
u can buy weapon at horrific vision that goes up to 691
just saw that on dratnos video
what is the contract thing that helps get more rep from new faction? do i buy it where? AH?
mighty pivot
search for aresh on the AH and you will find it
normal forge
ty
worldly shale
alpine vale
So, how is outlaw right now. I am looking for something else to play after the DK updates just feel disappointing right now. I always enjoyed outlaw in the past but apparently it's not doing good in 11.2
tropic zephyr
u can buy weapon at horrific vision that goes up to 691
just saw that on dratn...
first week really is about farming scraps
normal forge
first week really is about farming scraps
what is scraps?
tropic zephyr
veteran
they should have opened HC tazavesh this week
it's like something to do at least
idk
vivid vessel
So, how is outlaw right now. I am looking for something else to play after the D...
Prolly will do fine in raid, in m+ the AOE and st is quite low, nothing that even compare to S2 outlaw
tropic zephyr
whatever i'm rambling
vivid vessel
Fun to play tho
normal forge
i want stealth bug fixed asap
vivid vessel
The other 2 rogue specs are quite strong in m+ for now
normal forge
any tricks on how to fix stealth bug ourselves?
grim spear
just dont use [stealth] macros
alpine vale
Thanks!
livid kindle
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livid kindle
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wintry solar
just dont stealth
Stealthless combat is coming back in 14.2
The schizo voices told me
vagrant jacinth
well they told me we're getting bandits guile back
wintry solar
Shit bitch we might
balmy topaz
@vivid vessel any good gear last night?
willow portal
are we sure on the cudgel not dropping from the event full bar box?
balmy topaz
are we sure on the cudgel not dropping from the event full bar box?
Apparently just weekly
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> any good gear last night?
Nothing lol
vague cape
atleast now we aren't terrorising our teammates with ks
willow portal
atleast now we aren't terrorising our teammates with ks
i am going to miss it on 3rd boss floodgate
the rest of the time i love the new ks
craggy kelp
willow portal
I miss the lower cd tbh
i like it better, less chance of me using vanish when i should have used ks
willow portal
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
how are you crafting 2 weapons with 1 spark?
grim spear
i heard someone got 2 full sparks
vague cape
i like it better, less chance of me using vanish when i should have used ks
but that's the fun of the spec and optimising coup stacks
mighty pivot
how come I only got 3 keys this week even though I've opened a billion chests BlizZard? 
🏄♀️ 🏄♂️
mighty pivot
4 a week normally
cinder summit
!up
ornate heathBOT
daring oxide
4 a week normally
i think last key you have to build with coffers lmao
i got 50 coffers from my 4th chest
did you too?
mighty pivot
I didn't notice but I do have 250 key frags
daring oxide
that might be why
mighty pivot
weirdge
pastel shore
Why is HO so much worse in S3 than in S2? when i sim the S2 tier HO vs KiR i get like 1-2% dmg difference but with S3 tier it is +10%. in the past HO was easier and more consitant than KiR, if possible i would like to stick to HO but if it is 15% worse than KiR that's not rlly possible
mighty pivot
the difference shouldn't be that large (see pin). But it's worse comparatively because S2 tier bonus benefitted HO more
daring oxide
Why is HO so much worse in S3 than in S2? when i sim the S2 tier HO vs KiR i get...
HO Suck asssssssssssssssss boyyyyyyyyyyyy KIR SEASONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
red zinc
How do we go from 10 to 15% if you yourself simmed it
balmy topaz
KIR is a big boy variant 
balmy topaz
HO Suck asssssssssssssssss boyyyyyyyyyyyy KIR SEASONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Hey Vai 
remote pecan
Why is HO so much worse in S3 than in S2? when i sim the S2 tier HO vs KiR i get...
It's because KiR allows better rtb buff uptime, when the set bonus increases roll chances HO does well otherwise it struggles to keep up with kir
daring oxide
Hey Vai <:ALOO:1041654726833491989>
hey ruby
daring oxide
i got some crit vers 1h weapon to 691 in mainhand
but everything else was mastery gear
i traded to my mates
tropic zephyr
Losing tier will be so hard, rn I'm getting so much 5 rolls it's insane
balmy topaz
Losing tier will be so hard, rn I'm getting so much 5 rolls it's insane
So true
balmy topaz
i got some crit vers 1h weapon to 691 in mainhand
Did you get lucky on the weekly?
For culdge
agile orchid
there is no way anyone enjoys swapping weapons mid-dungeon
tropic zephyr
how wrong you are to assume people don't like seeing big numbers in any way they can
agile orchid
would you take kicks to your balls if it was a 2% dps increase?
balmy topaz
As soon as I get a mythic wep
agile orchid
I am glad the weapon is no longer going to be the most optimal
willow portal
are you guys playing with numbers shown when attacking enemies ?
neat tapir
!fuu
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balmy topaz
are you guys playing with numbers shown when attacking enemies ?
Not since tindral
Because my fps died
But I had a toaster back then
willow portal
ye thats my logic kinda too
i dont know if i am in range for BF now but my screen is clear
balmy topaz
i dont know if i am in range for BF now but my screen is clear
Do you have the WA
willow portal
no
balmy topaz
Tells you who’s in range in 8 yard radius
mighty pivot
I don't use default combat text so it's not spammy but I still get feedback that I hit stuff
willow portal
is that low cpu usage wa?
balmy topaz
is that low cpu usage wa?
Yeah it’s low I’m pretty sure
I’ve not noticed any difference in performance
willow portal
^ty i will use it
young prism
I was considering to pich vers crit gem on cloak
Not sure whether it is logical or not
willow portal
I was considering to pich vers crit gem on cloak
if you got enough haste already then do that
young prism
what do you think about m+ rankings for rogue specs ?
Is outlaw gonna fall behind badly again?
balmy topaz
Outlaw probably won’t be the most optimal but don’t think it’ll fall behind badly
It’s not as good as this season
By that I mean s2
vivid vessel
honestly i think its lilke s1
just that in s1 we didnt play phys comps
so its gonna be better than in s1 cauise of that
young prism
so assasination will be the best spec in m+ then? or sub?
agile orchid
Probably assa in premades
vivid vessel
I mean assa is probably the best spec in the game
agile orchid
Sub in pugs
vivid vessel
Sub in pugs
I think that's casual coping ngl
torpid fiber
sub players don't play M+ so it doesn't matter
vivid vessel
When you are going to play sub in pug
And they pull 3 mobs in your cds
Then once your cds are over
They chain 20
balmy topaz
Ye you never play sub in pugs
young prism
hahaha
agile orchid
When you are going to play sub in pug
Well you would usually play outlaw for that case, but it’s tuned badly, what can I do 
vivid vessel
Sin will just do bad st in pugs cause they won't pull on bosses
Kinda whatever
Bad st as in outlaw st
young prism
honestly I don't want to leave outlaw. I love the design but I don't want to fall behind neither
Don't know you get my point but 😄
agile orchid
Be hardcapped at 8 targets and still get gapped by everyone else at this range
vivid vessel
We getting another buff
balmy topaz
Well
agile orchid
I love outlaw
vivid vessel
you oknow i tought i was kinda coping a lil
but ye
outlaw is not getting a 10% aura tho
its getting nerfed if anything
vivid vessel
The only way to be good in m+ for outlaw is that our raid build is the same as m+ I think
So you at least have good st
But nowadays we lose like 20% st
Going to m+ build
All of that to do tank AOE
balmy topaz
PC
vivid vessel
pc is a terrible talent
young prism
stay positive maybe they buff us 😄
vivid vessel
Dude
A nerf is more likely
Than a buff
Outlaw is going to demolish these AOE cleave bosses
And there is 3 this tier
mighty pivot
everything will be alright 
ocean imp
Guys, in situations where you have AR available or soon to be and you need to cast RTB, should you RTB => AR or AR => RTB
I feel like the obvious answer would be AR into RTB for LD, but a small voice in my head tells me to RTB first and then AR
mighty pivot
when you run LD you AR first
topaz spoke
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agile orchid
A nerf is more likely
Good old warrior treatment
balmy topaz
Guys, in situations where you have AR available or soon to be and you need to ca...
Ye it’s fine to have no buffs for a bit, also you want to supercharge BtE ideally and you don’t vanish unless you have AR up so always RtB after AR in that scenario
balmy topaz
Yeah so the voice in my head needs to be muffled
Yeah muzzle it
Just remember to be patient
ocean imp
Nah I want things to happen my way immediately
wintry solar
everything will be alright <:Okay:1043153086690119710>
vivid vessel
desert tendon
Zac if you Want outlaw to not be nerfed
Dont play it before the tubing patch after rwf
They you ll have 2 months without à patch
silk stirrup
Guys, is HO viable this season in M+?
silk stirrup
I tried playing KiR but I almost fall asleep
vivid vessel
5 to 10% aura + bf nerf reverted for m+
Except it doesn't need that in raid
In raid it might get it's AOE nerfed
So
vivid vessel
I know
desert tendon
Gg
vivid vessel
The diff is that assa AOE means nothing in raid
And assa funnel means nothing in raid
balmy topaz
Yeah true
vivid vessel
The issue is litteraly the same every tier
We need separate tuning.
For raid and m+
Or this shit will always happen
balmy topaz
Yeah and it is possible
oblique trench
and different gearing thanks
vivid vessel
Like I'm going to be entering dungeons
desert tendon
daring oxide
this screen sparkly thing
vivid vessel
1/4 of it's prio
And being hard capped and having no burst
But that's completely normal
Idk
wintry solar
this screen sparkly thing
It's pretty :3
grave drum
legitimate question, does blade flurry have to go? correct me if my opinion is wrong but it feels like thats part of the reason the spec is impossible to balance
desert tendon
They re doing it with many others spell
balmy topaz
legitimate question, does blade flurry have to go? correct me if my opinion is w...
No, look at spriest psychic link
desert tendon
Like pshychic link
vivid vessel
legitimate question, does blade flurry have to go? correct me if my opinion is w...
Dude half the spec in the game have bf now
desert tendon
The thing is
vivid vessel
Even assa
desert tendon
Psylink get à tunibg every 2 weeks
desert tendon
Ignite and blablabla
Half the specs in the game have blade flury
The 3 rogue specs have it also
PC should be placed in à way you get it only in raid where it s mostly valuable
And so another thing strong should be takeable instead in m+
spare dome
pc should be deleted
its too strong in niche situation while doing nothing most of the time
vivid vessel
Ye it's like
In m+ it'd just a +10% AOE
Which is good but not like incredible
Just a normal AOE talent
In raid it's like
desert tendon
PC is fine and à gréât valuable niche talent when you encouter à boss like kurog
vivid vessel
PC is fine and à gréât valuable niche talent when you encouter à boss like kurog
Niche that isn't allowed to be good tho
Look at how they nerfed bf
This is 100% to account for pc in raid
We wouldn't have pc in raid it wouldn't be that strong aoe
desert tendon
Yea because for some reasons (thx to bfa) they dont wanna let outlaw be overperforming
So it seems like they always tune it really low
vivid vessel
I'm not even asking to over perform lol
If you look at this season btw
And if we are honest
desert tendon
Feels like they tune it in à way we dont Know about something they do
desert tendon
Always wondered
vivid vessel
You build and entire worse comp around the spec, itstilk doesn't do dk damage
And it's also target capped and no burst so you have to do worse routes
Soo..
desert tendon
Isnt it à better class to bring to phys comp than the selfiish outla xD
vivid vessel
Isnt it à better class to bring to phys comp than the selfiish outla xD
Dk ye
Probably
desert tendon
Lmao
vivid vessel
I looked into it
desert tendon
So scuffed
vivid vessel
And
desert tendon
Idk outlaw just not loved
vivid vessel
If you build a melee comp but with dh tank for dk they gain 17%
The melee comp with brew for outlaw I gain 15
So ye
It's all fake
lucid sandal
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vivid vessel
Like you just give warrior buff to dk
And shaman
They will also do way more damage lol
But ye I think you can replace outlaw by hunter
Or adda
Assa
This season
And it's already the same shit
Next season idk it's gg
lucid sandal
Tried playing sin and sub in dungeon yesterday it just didn't feel fun
Probably gonna play an alt or sum
wintry solar
Idk outlaw just not loved
Ion said its easy to poke fun at outlaw. Maybe we're just an outlet for anger.
desert tendon
You guys science mice
fallen knot
chat i need help, do i campaign skip on alts or is there some sort of interaction with cloak upgrades?
balmy topaz
chat i need help, do i campaign skip on alts or is there some sort of interactio...
I’ve heard that if you do it on an alt then come back and don’t skip on main you can get 714 cloak
But don’t hold me to that
fallen knot
then i'm already cooked, i did campaign on my future main
winged inlet
am i allowed to link youtube vida here? there is a vid where a guy explains funnel dmg aoe and than ranks each spec . Wanna know how accurate he analogy is
craggy kelp
Do the skip man it’s not worth
balmy topaz
am i allowed to link youtube vida here? there is a vid where a guy explains funn...
Yeah sure
winged inlet
mighty pivot
What happened to my message
mods have had enough
daring oxide
Popo you being naughty again?
balmy topaz
wintry solar
Popo you being naughty again?
I'm such a good boy
My message wasn't even deleted. It was just mobile discord being a twat
It vanished right before my eyes and I thought I set off the auto mod
vivid vessel
https://youtu.be/BwH2mMMIA-w?si=RuqdsBzV4B4vNwES
i cant listen what does he say
daring oxide
i cant listen what does he say
he says outlaw is dead
tender wedge
No 😔
fallen knot
how many upgrades do we get on the cloak this week, and whats the max ilvl?
winged inlet
i cant listen what does he say
he made a pdf file where he shows how much each spec has funnel and aoe dmg here is a ss of it. How accurate is this?
vivid vessel
he made a pdf file where he shows how much each spec has funnel and aoe dmg here...
idk how to interpret this but here:
- outlaw does st (a bit less) damage in aoe to its main target, the damage isnt paddy at all tho since its free, you dont lose st by having blade flurry up - 0 funnel
- assa does funnel, it will do 2 to 4 times its st damage in aoe onto its prio damage, assa dont really chose to do more aoe or more st tho, you kinda do your aoe rotation and it funnel everything, assa aoe is simialr to outlaw in the sense that its free
- sub is the exact same as outlaw, it does aoe via bf, unless you go into bigger aoe then you can press bp which is a bit less prio - sub can chose to spread rupture for more aoe, which wont translate to prio damage or funnel tho, so that part would be pure aoe "pad"
one thing that can be imporatnt potentially
if you play with other specs that funnel in your grp
outlaw will be able to just turn off bf so you dont kill the funnel
vivid vessel
sub cant do that
desert tendon
vivid vessel
assa will just aoe, since it translate to funnel anyway
assa funnel will kill the funnel quite fast in that sense tho
since its pure aoe
its not like sub was in the past where it did 0 aoe and funneled all the damage into the prio target
so you could keep the funnel alive forever
thats how funnel should be if the game wasnt shit tuned btw
you shouldnt just do funnel for free
craggy kelp
But I like pressing barrage
vivid vessel
There was a time when outlaw damage profile was valuable
Because you did prio without losing aoe
And specs that wanted to do more prio needed to either do st rotation more and lose AOE or funnel and do way less aor
When the game was like that
It made sense
winged inlet
There was a time when outlaw damage profile was valuable
im SL when it was meta?
vivid vessel
Now every spec funnel
vivid vessel
im SL when it was meta?
Or before
Idk
When the game made sense
Now every spec in the game does funnel without losing AOE
winged inlet
can we go back to that pla?
vivid vessel
Which is just silly
So outlaw damage profile isn't special anymore
It's just worse than others
Cause we don't funnel
craggy kelp
Bfa double rogue ww 
vivid vessel
We just do st damage in aoe
vivid vessel
Ye
Well
I won't talk about new killing sprr
When every spec in the game is allowed to just funnel for free
mighty pivot
we can't even choose our main target for KS smileyface
vivid vessel
And outlaw the og prio spec
Just lose prio
It's just
Questionable design
I feel like some specs are allowed more
Than others
balmy topaz
Mages are allowed infinite
balmy topaz
Bro zac you complain cuz u want to complain
But it’s relevant
vivid vessel
I went on a little tangent tho
lofty sand
No i agree with the things but it is what it is
winged inlet
zac i think you should start going for meta spec and get popularity you deserve man, check jpc , casual
vivid vessel
nah im good
craggy kelp
lofty sand
Like its not new to be not meta
vivid vessel
Idc about popularity
red zinc
zac i think you should start going for meta spec and get popularity you deserve ...
get off his weewee
lofty sand
Just be behind the meta
vivid vessel
Otherwise I would stream with a mic
balmy topaz
Zac likes riding the bus to work 
vivid vessel
Only Timmy can be on my weeweee
covert kestrel
Zac likes riding the bus to work <a:PepeDrive:762498934274523177>
Public transportation is based
craggy kelp
I’d love public transportation
balmy topaz
Frfr
craggy kelp
lofty sand
Outlaw was always underground spec. Even if it would be op it Still wouldnt be played
I think pros can even play outlaw
Outside of jpc but he wont play
vivid vessel
Like its not new to be not meta
there is a diff between not being meta and being turbo shit tho
red zinc
czech republic public transport is so good dude
vivid vessel
i want to be like assa s1 tww, or outlaw s3 or outlaw s2
covert heart
Being meta isnt everything
red zinc
actually crazy
lofty sand
Its not turbo shit tho
red zinc
2.60 euro for a full day pass
tough salmon
Zac is afraid of playing good specs, cause then people will see how bad he actually is
red zinc
of bus/metro
tough salmon
Just like me fr fr
lofty sand
Idk
red zinc
So nutty
vivid vessel
Zac is afraid of playing good specs, cause then people will see how bad he actua...
Fr
I'm a fraud
tough salmon
Imposter syndrome hitting like a truck every day
tough salmon
Well its one or the other
vivid vessel
You have to compensate both tho
red zinc
Man why did they remove the niuzao swarm “feature”
lofty sand
But even if outlaw broken if the comp you play it in is not then gg
tough salmon
Harmony slaps in ST and shado pan slaps in aoe
lofty sand
Outlaw is usually played with phys so
red zinc
Having 5 oxes at once was a banger
vivid vessel
Litteraly the first season ever people play phys comp
red zinc
herdmaster monk
vivid vessel
Wox team doesn't count they have been playing that forever alone in their own thing
This season we had an actual phys comp being played by like 20 teams
With assa mostly tho
winged inlet
why did they stop playing btw?
vivid vessel
But ye
nova sinew
Does cudgel reset on the Kyveza delve fight?
red zinc
Doubt it
lofty sand
Yeah but it has synergy, Just cuz jpc played it next to a mage and druid with a vdh it doesnt mean it as good
lofty sand
Was*
red zinc
We had a ghetto version of phys comp in s3
Was a bit of a meme though
warrior was only there for spell reflect in some dungeons
vivid vessel
We had a ghetto version of phys comp in s3
You mean when we played double outlaw war
Sure
But people half did that
It wasn't like a thing
wintry solar
He only reads half of messages
vivid vessel
Truth
Triple outlaw 
@tough salmon were you there when we did triple outlaw in S3 df
Did you do it
tough salmon
No wtf
vivid vessel
You didn't noob?
tough salmon
Nah i was stuck with meta slaves
vivid vessel
We did r1 tott 30 with casual and zeross as triple outlaw
tough salmon
They ditched me when vdh became op
vivid vessel
Zac when will u play outlaw instead of sub in raid
First reclear
past lodge
If I plan on swapping between sub for raid and assassination for mythic+ should I focus on gearing for sub or ass as a priority?
tough salmon
Yeah i mean who is dumb enough to play with brew
vivid vessel
I clear the raid once as sub In like a month then I never spec into sub ever again
vivid vessel
Yeah i mean who is dumb enough to play with brew
Real bro
lofty sand
Brew is insane now tho right?
vivid vessel
We had mist weaver instead
tough salmon
Yeah its looking good in s3
But holy fuck its been rough
I hate that people suddenly think brew was good in s2 just cause our team could push far
covert kestrel
If I plan on swapping between sub for raid and assassination for mythic+ should ...
Asking in outlaw is funny
tender wedge
I think the dagger specs cancel each other out and outlaw is all you have left
past lodge
Asking in outlaw is funny
Oh crap. My bad. I thought I was in general.
desert tendon
hey i ve done tott30 triple outlaw as well
would be really dumb to not bring vdh double sigil there tho, no question asked this seasons was really something
zac i got baited again, everytime i get baited
neat mist
Oh crap. My bad. I thought I was in general.
Probably Sub though
Assa is kinda fine with all/more stats
tall warren
do you ppl use Roll the bones addons to keep track when to reroll or not?
glass mortar
Just a wa that shows me my buffs and the eyes wa
They do exist tho and some people use them
tropic zephyr
do you ppl use Roll the bones addons to keep track when to reroll or not?
!wa
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Class packs:
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- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
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- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
tropic zephyr
lots of people use the RtB buffs tracker in this list, it's also in the Zac's group if you want a full omnibar
heavy shadow
I thought the bag only ever gave a token? Is this a new change to sometimes give a weap too?
nova sinew
kyveza is hard wtf
tropic zephyr
No there always was a chest that gave veteran gear on top of the token
But last patch it couldn't give the weapon tho
weary fog
the shadow clones on ?? difficulty feel kinda jank but the fight's fun
definitely more fun than the other two
nova sinew
the clones are super punishing
heavy shadow
No there always was a chest that gave veteran gear on top of the token
You mean the 100% spoils epic one?
nova sinew
feels like you need to be looking at them for a short while before they go off
tropic zephyr
You mean the 100% spoils epic one?
No the one from the quest
fervent garden
I thought the bag only ever gave a token? Is this a new change to sometimes give...
so I was lucky enough to pull the 691 version after quest. I'm assuming this is BIS OH for a while?
heavy shadow
so I was lucky enough to pull the 691 version after quest. I'm assuming this is ...
Gz, and yes it seems so
balmy topaz
so I was lucky enough to pull the 691 version after quest. I'm assuming this is ...
Basically until you get a mythic one yeah
heavy shadow
fervent garden
that works for me. couldn't believe it dropped
balmy topaz
that works for me. couldn't believe it dropped
There a some scenarios it’s still better on than a myth track but only by like 1-2%
So you may as well just get a myth track one instead
heavy shadow
the item I got was 668, so it just has a chance to proc higher?
balmy topaz
the item I got was 668, so it just has a chance to proc higher?
From the quest?
balmy topaz
What ilvl are you
heavy shadow
682
balmy topaz
Not sure
I don’t actually come back home till Monday so
I’ve not actually done it myself
heavy shadow
This dropped from the boss itself
Also even more confusing the items to exchange for token are 655 adventure...
Any chance they've hot fixed something or am I tripping
timid idol
does the token thing to turn pieces into set work the exact same this season?
and did we get one this week or are we getting the first one next week
mossy compass
Anyone else seeing this tank trinket at the top of our dungeon slice sims? Is it legit?
glass mortar
Any chance they've hot fixed something or am I tripping
hot fixed what
its blue because of its ilvl
upgrade it
heavy shadow
ah is it the same for the item from quest completion too? It assumes you are upgrading
glass mortar
idk about the one from quest completion that ones base is higher cause its on a higher track
but probably
its not like item color matters
all that matters is ilvl
shell fossil
i didn't use capo's molten knuckle in raid offhand all season 2 and it hurt lol
glass mortar
Anyone else seeing this tank trinket at the top of our dungeon slice sims? Is it...
the trinket does not read like it works for u
also even if it did it doesnt read like it would be good considering how long that ramp is
mossy compass
So just a bad sim, that's what I was hoping for
glass mortar
probably
glass mortar
how does the sim even use this thing you dont take damage in sims
i wonder if its just auto proccing it on icd
tropic zephyr
qq
yeah veteran goes to 691
what's the problem with pin?
adventurer with token goes to 678
heavy shadow
Nothing it seems, I was just looking at the base ilvl
tropic zephyr
yeah pin is talking about max ilvl from adventurer and veteran tracks
heavy shadow
tropic zephyr
they're "free" upgrades with crests you don't need
astral wind
Anyone managed to hit a 691 cudgel yet?
dusty blaze
Aye got it yesterday
fervent garden
i got it. need one more upgrade to get to 691
vernal harness
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
old gull
Just confirming you get 1 chance at the cudgel a week
balmy topaz
Just confirming you get 1 chance at the cudgel a week
Yeah and you may as well try again on reset
glass mortar
1 chance at the max ilvl one ye
heavy shadow
What's the LW items called we can craft without spark
glass mortar
its the same as the regular item u just dont put a spark in the recipe
weathered crest items dont take sparks
i think? i havent crafted one of these since week 1 of last expac 
maybe its the blue item instead
balmy topaz
Noob
proper veldt
desert tendon
you must have switch specs or something?
vivid vessel
ddue wtf
desert tendon
this is outlaw only
desert tendon
same with casual
prisma vessel
grats zac
desert tendon
as jordan saying, it s rigged cuz he played frost on top
and bansherz had to go some mm
mighty pivot
russian sub enjoyer
daring oxide
https://x.com/lofibanshee/status/1953262777696719337
Outlaw has higher score than top assa rogue, outlaw is the best
desert tendon
guess he didnt play that much?
mighty pivot
too expensive 
vivid vessel
guess he didnt play that much?
ye prolly that
mighty pivot
maybe ask rogueone
balmy topaz
Ye RIP
vivid vessel
on outlaw i only did 20
balmy topaz
It would be extremely tight
vivid vessel
it would have been possible to cheat tho
the raider io addon just record me as sub
but if i dont have raider io addon on i think it would go to outlaw
balmy topaz
warped pelican
There used to be a site that simmed all possible (or most) builds, is that still around? Trying to see what is best non-crankshot build.
mighty pivot
the best non-crackshot build is to play sub or assa
glass mortar
would it be possible for the key to record u as law
wintry solar
Closest you can get is to drop ace instead.
glass mortar
would u need to cheese it, like leave 0.2% for after boss
and go and swap back
i assume it records what u "finished" the dungeon as
leaden sonnet
i assume it records what u "finished" the dungeon as
Sometimes, sometimes not
No idea why 
glass mortar
i c
vivid vessel
You need to not have anyone record the run with the raider io plugin
glass mortar
like in rookery u literally only went sub for last boss or? very silly to record that as a sub key
wintry solar
the best non-crackshot build is to play sub or assa <:garf_sit:13348894294493144...
I think you mean outlaw lite
vivid vessel
Then it will pick the one you started as cause it will be from blizz api
wintry solar
And assa
timid idol
Anyone managed to hit a 691 cudgel yet?
😎
leaden sonnet
You need to not have anyone record the run with the raider io plugin
Idk i got some keys as sub and some as assa while doing rookery with my team
vivid vessel
ye but were you all recording them with the plugin
link your raider io
you can check
timid idol
Me in 5 minutes
good luck bro
leaden sonnet
Idk i dont have it but presumably the other people would have it setup the same
As in their settings inbetween runs wouldnt change
balmy topaz
What is the chance for mace?
mighty pivot
I think you mean outlaw lite
wdym outlaw lite, sub is almost a complete opposite of outlaw
shell fossil
glaze glaze glaze
wintry solar
wdym outlaw lite, sub is almost a complete opposite of outlaw
I'm ignoring this obviously wrong statement
shell fossil
what's 50 io 3 extra keys and a 2 chest maybe?
mighty pivot
common popo L
vivid vessel
what's 50 io 3 extra keys and a 2 chest maybe?
11 to 15 io per key level generally
less the more you go up
keen belfry
Gm
shell fossil
ye, 4th best balance druid in the warcraft
cedar kernel
gm
jolly geyser
Good day
timid portal
@vivid vessel do you have ur profile updated somewhere?
astral wind
good luck bro
double trinket ugh
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> do you have ur profile updated somewhere?
ye its all on my wagio
you can do !ui in my stream chat
timid portal
stuff for dungs also?
jolly geyser
<a:cuh:1385854585557487706>
red zinc
<a:cuh:1385854585557487706>
shell fossil
yes why
shell fossil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true
wait pause even
brisk meadow
Most of your food is green
covert kestrel
you can do !ui in my stream chat
watch out, they'll get you for self promotion just like they got larias
brisk meadow
Why not emote
covert kestrel
wintry solar
common popo L
Meanie
vivid vessel
watch out, they'll get you for self promotion just like they got larias
im imune
vivid vessel
watch out, they'll get you for self promotion just like they got larias
@upper surge still muted?
wind verge
o/
how many haste i need for 11.2 kir build
halcyon elm
balmy topaz
I pinged him the other day and no answer 
cedar kernel
Most of your food is green
bc green in china means being betrayal in love
jolly geyser
covert kestrel
o/
how many haste i need for 11.2 kir build
!haste
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
covert kestrel
bc green in china means being betrayal in love
Do u not eat green vegetables then?
cedar kernel
like ur gf found and another boys fucking with him but u 2 are not broke up and u dont know about that, when people met such situation ,its like the man got green hat
shell fossil
smootie
mighty pivot
cucumber is the other boy
brisk meadow
M0 is the shit
balmy topaz
I’ve not been able to touch the game this reset yet
covert kestrel
I’ve not been able to touch the game this reset yet <:SadgeSitSip:72984576469565...
🫂
cedar kernel
Do u not eat green vegetables then?
just the green dont put it on a peoson than alls fine
vivid vessel
I’ve not been able to touch the game this reset yet <:SadgeSitSip:72984576469565...
nothing to do
balmy topaz
3 more days and I can
vivid vessel
most boring shit ever
jolly geyser
Play bf6 beta
mighty pivot
finding books for rep is peak content
shell fossil
our raid starts thuesday so we have reset + a day to fish for gear
vivid vessel
Are you off work <@352916297262301194>
i took 1.5 week off for s3 drop ye
rn im at work
vivid vessel
balmy topaz
Microwave steak
vivid vessel
ordering french tacos everyday
balmy topaz
mighty pivot
Microwave steak
well done microwave steak with ketchup?
wintry solar
Filthy yankee
onyx spear
Whats max fth stacks with one Point in it? Also 6?
balmy topaz
Whats max fth stacks with one Point in it? Also 6?
Yes
nova sinew
Does trickster look like it will be better on soul hunters?
balmy topaz
Does trickster look like it will be better on soul hunters?
Yea
2 target is even for both so 3+ targets trickster
proven ocean
watch out, they'll get you for self promotion just like they got larias
they muted larias?
besides they dont mute for self promotion unless they feel like it
glass mortar
yea laryngitis got muted
proven ocean
cuz we talked about his links before and they did nothing
shell fossil
did workout got some m0 in must, farm, vet gear.
warped mantle
did workout got some m0 in must, farm, vet gear.
farm vet gear from where
shell fossil
delv
sudden fulcrum
It says the dispel will stun
glass mortar
havent found any impressive powers yet this season but i only have them at common level rn
sudden fulcrum
The defensive ones are pretty good
glass mortar
also idk what the ychanged about brann but my brann is perma pulling everything i dont pull 24/7 now
i could skip so much shit last season
i think its the devilsaur
sudden fulcrum
Yeah the pet just takes weird paths and goes everywhere
jolly geyser
Aye pullmaster
sudden fulcrum
It’s annoying
sudden fulcrum
It’s all good
shell fossil
i liked the gather magnet and health pots
mighty pivot
How shameful of me
no worries it is expected
shell fossil
funny magnet :b
glass mortar
no worries it is expected
it doesnt say that anymore 
mighty pivot
it got nerfed just like outlaw's BF
vivid vessel
cant believe people tried to argue with me that this wasnt a nerf
glass mortar
you know what those people meant
vivid vessel
Ok and I was right
glass mortar
so were they technically 😠 but i get why its annoying
ocean imp
This seems like a stupid debate let me in
mighty pivot
I mean, it was a net positive change to aoe damage. That outlaw's aoe is poopoo is another issue
glass mortar
as always
glass mortar
all the "buffs" with bf nerfs ye
vivid vessel
I mean, it was a net positive change to aoe damage. That outlaw's aoe is poopoo ...
Yes but it was a nerf from S2 to S3 to outlaw aoe
So
mighty pivot
by s2 to s3 you mean until you get s3 4p?
vivid vessel
The conclusion is that most specs in the game either stayed similar in term of AOE damage, or got more
And we went down
vivid vessel
by s2 to s3 you mean until you get s3 4p?
I mean from S2 to S3 ?
You cleave 10% less
- fazed + nimble flurry Nerf
mighty pivot
isn't outlaw simming higher in dslice and 8t with same gear in the new patch?
ocean imp
It's Outlawver
vivid vessel
isn't outlaw simming higher in dslice and 8t with same gear in the new patch?
maybe
that doesnt mean shit tho ?
say you gained 10%
and everyone gained 20
i mean look
pliant wind
👆🏻
vivid vessel
we aint even the highest simming slice spec
balmy topaz
Also our dmg profile got worse
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vagrant elk
anyone have any idea when we are breaking old 4p?
vivid vessel
Actually I think In s1 we were also not the highest simming in slice
fluid iron
Actually I think In s1 we were also not the highest simming in slice
of the rogue specs? you were
vivid vessel
ok its truly doomed then
fluid iron
sub and assa never really sims good in it
near rock
at what point will the dooming end
pliant wind
PC PepegaCut
vivid vessel
at what point will the dooming end
when outlaw is decent
mighty pivot
and everyone gained 20
that's moving the goalposts though, no? It's not that we lost in total cleave compared to pre 11.2, other classes got better changes overall and improved way more. You implied we lost damage but iirc it slightly went up
vivid vessel
that's moving the goalposts though, no? It's not that we lost in total cleave co...
We lost in relation to our st
Which is kinda the whole thing isn't it
I would expect our damage to go up after like 20% aura buff
pliant wind
I will miss these buffs so often
mighty pivot
yeah the fact that they needed a 13% aura buff is a very bad sign
vivid vessel
I will miss these buffs so often
no gm
you are dealing 0 damage buddy
roll better
balmy topaz
Can they get rid of buried treasure already
mighty pivot
you will roll GM whenever you are doing purely ST though
knotty abyss
is 691 Cudgel can drop this week?
jolly geyser
ye
mighty pivot
if you get lucky
timid idol
double trinket ugh
unlucky
harsh quartz
I'm assuming with HO we're still aiming for close to 20% haste? what does the KiR build genearlly require?
knotty abyss
only see the green not purple ; ;
glass mortar
!haste
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
errant igloo
Anyone has a simple 1 icon RtB WA? One that just notifys me when I should press it. Maybe even with KIR integrated. 🙂
harsh quartz
thank you my man I expected snark, got answers lol
mighty pivot
only see the green not purple ; ;
it's random from the weekly reward of nightfall
slate forge
Should we have full spark or half spark this week?
mighty pivot
full
pliant wind
full
harsh quartz
I did my nightfall scenario, got a cloak.. shoot me
slate forge
How?
pliant wind
questing
mighty pivot
you get two halves 
slate forge
I did campaign….
mighty pivot
weekly quests
they have a new icon that shows that they have a chance to give you a spark part
pliant wind
yeah, thats cool :>
slate forge
So just unlucky if I’ve done 3 already?
keen belfry
Can they get rid of buried treasure already
they gotta
slate forge
I did the delves titan fragment and the one you get to choose so guess need to do theatre and other ones
harsh quartz
I did the delves and the lights radiance or whatever it's called
torpid fiber
W
keen belfry
remember when trickster was feint
balmy topaz
remember when trickster was feint
Would’ve preferred it
keen belfry
trickster banger besides unseen blade (yes i know thats primary funcction of tree)
balmy topaz
Ye but now it’s a winner
glass mortar
feint would not have been moved off the gcd if it was what powered trickster
glass mortar
cant look at things like that
desert tendon
was way worst with old bte
glass mortar
cant wait for them to take alook at them
glass mortar
its not hard to fix
shell fossil
still have my hud setup to track bte cooling down
keen belfry
i really underestimated how bad having half the KS's fucks the whole trickster tree
balmy topaz
I mean I think old bte and fazed interaction are similar
keen belfry
do any mobs have fazed on them god damn
glass mortar
🙂
desert tendon
^^
vivid vessel
i really underestimated how bad having half the KS's fucks the whole trickster t...
:)
just buff ks
surely it fixes all the issues
here
200% ks damage
fuck you and your fazed uptime
keen belfry
no mobs have fazed on them anymore
balmy topaz
Make it so BtE applies fazed
vivid vessel
fazed should be a buff ..
vivid vessel
and coup shouldnt require fazed to do something ..
civic zephyr
okay blizz gimme outlaw buffs for my bday pls
slate forge
200% ks damage
See your starting to see the light all balance should be done via KS
keen belfry
i do think fazed should actually 100% just be abuff
civic zephyr
i do think fazed should actually 100% just be abuff
same
keen belfry
the coup fazed requirement interaction is just bad
violet ferry
Fazed is now applied by Arcane Mages
keen belfry
the coup fazed requirement interaction is just bad
well i mean, its only bad now cause you have to think about it due to KS CD/fazed uptime
vivid vessel
sending m0 overalls should geniully be illegal
civic zephyr
like make fazed a buff, make ks do prio dam and its already a step in the right direction
desert tendon
yes
agile orchid
it will be funny if outlaw gets nerfed tomorrow
pliant wind
imagine
desert tendon
agile orchid
wouldn't be the first time
slate forge
678 cudgel is op in m0s
civic zephyr
it will be funny if outlaw gets nerfed tomorrow
nah we get buffed for my bday copium, today is the day for us trust
ocean imp
How are you faring magebros
agile orchid
nah we get buffed for my bday copium, today is the day for us trust
I hope so, happy birthday
ocean imp
Oh shit wrong discord
civic zephyr
I hope so, happy birthday
ty gamer lmao
mighty pivot
we destroying at m0
quite clearly they didn't nerf BF enough 
pliant wind
we are op
wind rock
sending m0 overalls should geniully be illegal
Let me send my healer dmg in m+ 
fervent garden
hey until i get a better MH, should i use 691 Cudgel as MH and maybe Capo's for OH?
empty patrol
pearl niche
Fate bound for raid and Trickster for dungeons?
balmy topaz
Fate bound for raid and Trickster for dungeons?
Depends on the fight in raid
glass mortar
right now u probably just play trickster everywhere altho fatebound should be alright on low target/st fights
minor verge
hi guys the talents on outlaw-faq are updated for 11.2?
gaunt phoenix
ya, though you still play the old shit until you tier sets
skipped a word in there
mighty pivot
how nice that ravenholdt's TCs didn't take months to make the updates this time