welp at least cudgels better for mogs than oh dagger
#outlaw
weary fog
plush swan
random stirrup
those m0s arent gonna know what hit them
tender wedge
shadow quake - the spec
frank finch
lime lake
zealous plinth
Where we get Veteran cudgel?
stone vault
can people still do s2 keys in the pre season or is m+ completely locked out?
torpid fiber
Where we get Veteran cudgel?
weekly box
short heath
normal forge
is this the one to buy?
tropic zephyr
yep
zealous plinth
weekly box
So rng to loot it?^^
torpid fiber
yes
willow portal
So is the adventurer cudgel not worth grabbing?
normal forge
i got stuck in stealth mode
icy hare
So is the adventurer cudgel not worth grabbing?
It is
unique fulcrum
what are some poggers trinkets this season?
novel socket
What did u do?
normal forge
is it ethical to say i like old ks better?
acoustic epoch
I miss it and it's animation but I don't miss falling through floors
normal forge
old one u press and forget, this one u need to move closer and aim
acoustic epoch
Pressing and forgetting is how you teleport into cauldron of carnage dino beams
timid idol
also this one doesn't stop if main target dies
normal forge
also this one doesn't stop if main target dies
that is a GREAT point
timid idol
dude im in love with this new animation
acoustic epoch
New KS does fit the pirate aesthetic much better
timid idol
its so insanely fun
timid idol
New KS does fit the pirate aesthetic much better
YESSS MANNN
acoustic epoch
I was hoping it would be a little more extra
timid idol
EVERYTHING I WANTED SINCE THEY STRIPPED MOST OF THE PIRATE ASTHETIC AFTER LEGION/BFA
acoustic epoch
But I don't hate it
normal forge
I was hoping it would be a little more extra
more flashy
timid idol
caps but i love it too much
it being bugged already is kinda sad tho
but expected from blizzard
acoustic epoch
Certainly yeah
mighty pivot
it might be better/worse. The epic spoils box that you get by contributing to the event also gives you a piece of gear and you can get that every time you do the event 
mighty pivot
I got a trinket and a belt so far
lime lake
weary fog
the events once per hour right
mighty pivot
yes
tender wedge
got a trinket before but i don't think it's great
weary fog
yipee
lime lake
Outlaw players when a weapon has funny green text:
tribal cosmos
Why cant i reshii wrap my alt ?
acoustic epoch
Cantrips are great
craggy barn
wonder how easy it will be to scuff our haste this season
zealous plinth
didn't take long 😄
civic zephyr
didn't take long 😄
this comes from boss and the daily quest things?
zealous plinth
this comes from boss and the daily quest things?
the weekly chest from the event
civic zephyr
ahh okay
languid coral
didn't take long 😄
nova basin
RNG Cudgel?
timid idol
yea
this is the hardest ive seen the servers lag ever
theres a solid 5-6 sec delay on every action and you literally cannot turn in quests
vale warren
I have an old ass video somewhere from wod launch where I pressed heroic leap and it didn't go through for legit 25 seconds
willow portal
the weekly chest from the event
Didnt someone says its also from the participation chest each hour at the event?
Did vision rewards also get scaled btw?
twilit rivet
how does the double coup de grace work?
livid pewter
cudgel is back
where to get it? event last season again?
torpid fiber
yep
livid pewter
am i stupid? i cant find the veteran tracked one
livid pewter
fml
neat mist
wooden herald
Pressing and forgetting is how you teleport into cauldron of carnage dino beams
Also pressing and forgetting is how you beat healers in HPS on that fight as well. 😛
twilit rivet
its from weekly box from the event
so only from the event and not the 4 other weekly quests?
or they might be dailes idk
timid idol
unluckyt
shy sandal
didn't take long 😄
so we want to switch weapons again for aoe/boss ?
weak moss
guys when everything is up do i ghostly strike into killingspree or killingspre into ghostly strike 😄
balmy topaz
didn't take long 😄
Is this a lucky chance or?
potent yacht
so we want to switch weapons again for aoe/boss ?
if u get lucky with veteran cudgel, it goes to 691 so might not have to swap for 1-2 weeks xD
torpid fiber
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
i love how bigwigs just made a /key menu that override the details /key menu, but doesnt fetch keys of people that dont use bigwigs so its just worse and unusable, but you cant disable it and continue using the details one instead :)
finite arch
Wrong cudgel pepesad
zealous plinth
Is this a lucky chance or?
Yes
random stirrup
i love how bigwigs just made a /key menu that override the details /key menu, bu...
just like when they made that spell cd on nameplates thing to override actual useful ones and made it difficult to disable
vivid vessel
eh
that one was better than the weak aura one objectively
so there is that at least
random stirrup
there was some issue with it
twilit rivet
i love how bigwigs just made a /key menu that override the details /key menu, bu...
how do you disable it?
vivid vessel
how do you disable it?
you cant
vivid vessel
it was omega big or something
well you could resize from day 1
random stirrup
well you could resize from day 1
i read your counterargument and choose to ignore it in order to shit on bigwigs more
vivid vessel
They chose to force any features they drop the "apple way"
Which
I think is like
It's bold and you gotta be able to back up your thing
I'm fine with that if it's strictly better
Their key thing doesn't work unless everyone in the key uses bigwigs
Which is like, not a thing for m+ er
My feral doesn't use big wigs
I think most people that don't raid don't use big wigs
vivid vessel
/keys also works for details keys btw
i know
hybrid crown
I miss when !keys would make everyone in guild link their key
good ol
!keys
!keys
!keys
!keys
!keys
macro for guild spam
vivid vessel
/keys also works for details keys btw
except i think its scummy to just steal the keyword and make a worse version
random stirrup
ye but at least u can still access the details one easily with /keys
its cringe to do in first place though
finite arch
Miss the old days where !keys shows 8 seat of the triumvirate 15
jolly geyser
tribal cosmos
Time to learn feral druid
dim widget
any delve mains here? whats the fastest on avg
jolly geyser
sidestreet
vivid vessel
ye but at least u can still access the details one easily with /keys
ye idc i will complain about it still
dim widget
sidestreet
ty
willow portal
except i think its scummy to just steal the keyword and make a worse version
This
They added features of other wa and addons
Like the teleports and the history i already got other stuff to track and now i get a window force opened each key twice with the same info
ionic niche
we are picking dexterous fiber i guess
dim widget
we are picking dexterous fiber i guess
you can buy them at npc
so dont worry about it
fallen mural
Haste or verse depending on on your stats.
dim widget
but prob vers and/or haste
fallen mural
If your below 18% haste go haste. If your still at the Keep it rolling haste of 18-21 then go verse
ionic niche
Ah okay, I wasn't sure if we could buy them afterwards, thanks.
ionic niche
If your below 18% haste go haste. If your still at the Keep it rolling haste of ...
Okay, thanks !
worldly shale
So our first goal is getting the new cudgel right?
Trying on the hour?
While doing campaign inbetween
Annoying
fallen mural
I noticed we swapped from sleight of hand to loaded dice. Does anyone have a quick explanation of why we changed this patch?
lethal oak
Tier
fallen mural
Ok thanks! So do we keep sleight of hand till we get the new tier?
dim widget
Trying on the hour?
its only once per week i think
worldly shale
its only once per week i think
No way
dim widget
the 3 event caches do not drop veteran
worldly shale
Ffs
worldly shale
Ye got it alr
fallen mural
I wonder if the nightfall scenario has to be the first weekly you do to contain a higher ilvl cudgel?
mighty pivot
the stealth animation bug breaks the [stealth] macro conditional btw it thinks you are in stealth if you are in the bugged animation
vivid vessel
Idk what this means
mighty pivot
it means that if you have a macro which uses that conditional to do something only in stealth, then if you are in the bugged animation but not stealth, it will attempt to do that
fallen mural
ya no luck here on cudgel i got 678 gloves crit/haste 🙁
worldly shale
A question would be tho if we get it from the spoils
Thats the thing that is not weekly]
blissful zinc
How is outlaw right now
fallen mural
A question would be tho if we get it from the spoils
What about night fall delve?
warped tide
Thats the thing that is not weekly]
I got it from weekly
dim widget
What about night fall delve?
what delve
frozen pasture
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
worldly shale
What about night fall delve?
Wondering the same, what delve
worldly shale
I got it from weekly
Ye i realized i got the nightfall axe from weekly, and 2 armor pieces from the spoils
Ill test it more tho
cinder summit
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fallen mural
what delve
Nightfall sanctum can it drop in there?
fallen mural
Ye i realized i got the nightfall axe from weekly, and 2 armor pieces from the s...
So you think the spoil can contain the veteran one?
dim widget
Nightfall sanctum can it drop in there?
no
the delve and the event are completely unrelated i think
fallen mural
Ya, i was just thinking because they released at the same time, but ya you're right.
dim widget
did they? i think the delve was already there before no?
fallen mural
I thought they were released together.
I just checked the patch and your right. Not released together.
warped tide
Im pretty sure the epic spoils chest can drop vet maybe once a week or something
fallen mural
Okay to confirm, i did the scenario i got a 678 veteran gloves and also got a cape from the chest at 668 veteran. So...so far 2 chances
worldly shale
Im pretty sure the epic spoils chest can drop vet maybe once a week or something
It dropped 2 vet for me
But ye, no curseblade weapon
Ill try couple more times
If i geta curseblade wep it def drops
fallen mural
It definitely does drop because last season people had a higher ilvl cudgel.
fallen mural
It dropped 2 vet for me
I'm going to do the event again in 10 and will confirm the ilvl of gear from the 2nd one
worldly shale
It definitely does drop because last season people had a higher ilvl cudgel.
That was champion from vendor
Now vendor gives adventurer
gaunt phoenix
alright time to sim this fucking nightfall weapon again
and tell people they have to farm this shit every week
fallen mural
That was champion from vendor
Yes but last season you could get higher then champion of the cudgel from the box
worldly shale
Yes but last season you could get higher then champion of the cudgel from the bo...
No u couldnt?
dim widget
Yes but last season you could get higher then champion of the cudgel from the bo...
no
and i still think only the weekly chest can drop it
since the event caches do not contain every single piece you can buy
worldly shale
and i still think only the weekly chest can drop it
Im having that thinking now too, but no harm in trying
worldly shale
Happy to get leeched :3
civic zephyr
I'm pinging realz so they fix it
fallen mural
He's going to say congratulations on your adventurer cudgel week 1
okay can confirm every hour you get a veteran track piece. No clue if cudgel can be in the spoil
vivid vessel
i love low precision
Make a suggestion to raidbot discord
gaunt phoenix
they won't change it
vivid vessel
I know that's the joke
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
Raidbbot litteraly useless to compare stuffs
It's just top gear
Only
Make top gear op then nerf it so it only does top gearing and nothing else
I would pay 30 e a month
To not have this stupid shit
gaunt phoenix
it looks like a 691 cudgel is worth it for the rest of the season, against 4+ targets (compared to heroic offhand) or 5+ targets (compared to mythic offhand)
gaunt phoenix
worldly shale
okay can confirm every hour you get a veteran track piece. No clue if cudgel can...
I only get arathi zealot pieces, seems its the only thing it drops
Cleared 3 times, got back chest and hands
fallen mural
I only get arathi zealot pieces, seems its the only thing it drops
So the guy at the end i killed dropped a weapon. but it was the axe and shit quality
worldly shale
Thats boe prob
near rock
it looks like a 691 cudgel is worth it for the rest of the season, against 4+ ta...
M+ only though right
gaunt phoenix
ya
vivid vessel
Trash's only
fallen mural
Wowhead comment about the azeroth spoils at the end of event.
By umbranos123 (8,455 – 1·10·14) on 2025/04/24 (Patch 11.1.5)
seems like the white/black arathi weapons drop from this chest now. had the bulwark drop from this
@worldly shale Kermit_window Us every hour on the hour
civic zephyr
so it drops from the purple chest thing you get for 100% on the event?
slate forge
What is it like 1/30 chance?
vivid vessel
But that's lower ilvl no?
fallen mural
So at the end of the event it drops 678 veteran gear upgradable to 691 max.
hasty warren
how i can skip the campain on alts ?
slate forge
You get it by being afk ? Maybe it’s a steamlink at work play log off there
covert kestrel
So at the end of the event it drops 678 veteran gear upgradable to 691 max.
Oh fuck were gonna be stuck doing hallowfall all week
vivid vessel
Isn't that gear warboudn
fallen mural
Hallowfall ya. You can repeat every hour.
vivid vessel
Nightfall sorry
fallen mural
nightfall*
vivid vessel
Like the one top left of map right
civic zephyr
come afk here zac, thats what im doing
fallen mural
Ya
worldly shale
bro
vivid vessel
I'm about to degrn farm
civic zephyr
I'm about to degrn farm
im literally sat here waiting for the event, this is my day now
worldly shale
Sometimes have to reopen game for campaign to function again
Did
fallen mural
Can you imagine we all sit here farming day in day out and no cudgel? just helmet chest and cloaks
civic zephyr
Can you imagine we all sit here farming day in day out and no cudgel? just helme...
this is about my expectations
worldly shale
Can you imagine we all sit here farming day in day out and no cudgel? just helme...
Until someone gets a weapon
slate forge
We will be BIS 691 full gear
worldly shale
Then we admit our addictions to low ilvl weapons
fallen mural
I'm going off a green comment on the azeroth spoils that says weapons can come from the Purple Arathi Champion Spoils
worldly shale
And farm it dayout
gaunt phoenix
!weaponswap
ornate heathBOT
You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.Maybe the dumbo fkn didnt see that he did the weekly
And got the wep from that
fallen mural
Maybe the dumbo fkn didnt see that he did the weekly
That's why im scared. But ill do another hour before i get some work done lmao.
Macro "/set alarm on phone every hour on the hour"
gaunt phoenix
The Nightfall Cudgel has returned (sort of)
Currently it is possible to get the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel at ilevel 678 (Adventurer) or 691 (Veteran).
If you recall from last tier, this weapon has a proc that resets with Vanish so it is uniquely strong on Outlaw. However it only resets like this on trash and not bosses, so previously we would use it on trash in keys and weapon swap with a macro to a different offhand for bosses.
From the weekly quest The Flame Burns Eternal, you get a token to buy the 678 weapon and the bag from the quest has a low chance to give you the 691 version.
A 678 Cudgel is kinda worth it right now, but not in the long run. Once you start getting at least hero track weapons, a 678 Cudgel can either be discarded or you can use it on absolutely massive pulls (like first pull Ara-kara).
⚠️ A 691 Cudgel is more or less worth it for the rest of the season at around 4-5 target pulls (compared to heroic or mythic offhand).
However, it seems not quite as strong as last season, being maybe a 1.5-2% gain on specifically the pulls where it is better. You will also have to actively assess whether you are about to pull enough to make it worth, and you cannot swap back mid Killing Spree anymore, so it's more annoying than last tier.
Have fun
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```We're agreed that the max ilvl for the cloak is 707, right?
fallen mural
Mine stopped at 701?
gaunt phoenix
I believe so but some people have bugged it to 714
it's kind of a mess rn
I didn't play long enough to finish it myself
civic zephyr
Mine stopped at 701?
do 3 delves
fallen mural
oh thanks :)\
civic zephyr
lmao all good
red zinc
Uhm
fallen mural
Have you guys checked the nightfall dailies that have a purple bag reward? Do those drop veteran?
red zinc
has anyone dropped any of the special effect items from nightfall even
gaunt phoenix
Have you guys checked the nightfall dailies that have a purple bag reward? Do th...
Those drop explorer
not worth
red zinc
Afaik its two seperate loot pools, with the veteran items only being armor
gaunt phoenix
didn't take long 😄
.
covert kestrel
OK so are we confirming that we just have the one shot a week with the random chest and not if we do the full event and get the max tier reward from that each hour?
gaunt phoenix
OK so are we confirming that we just have the one shot a week with the random ch...
i think it's uncertain if the hourly purple chest can drop it
worldly shale
<@1372842407854342215> got a weapon
Seems like we are just getting the arathi zealot items
All of mine have that prefix
fallen mural
We just have to get as many people doing it for a few hours and we can confirm if a weapon drops or not.
covert kestrel
how exactly do u get these veteran pieces again?
Hallowfall nightfall event from last patch
timid idol
i would start doing it but idk where this is from 
fallen mural
Every hour on the hour head to hallowfall. West side. Night fall Event happens and you get a veteran piece for completing the event and also for the weekly
timid idol
Hallowfall nightfall event from last patch
oh wtf
thats crazy wtf
doing old content for current szn gear 
fallen mural
We have not confirmed if you can get a weapon from the end of the event purple chest when you hit 100% so if you get a weapon please post it.
timid idol
👍
timid idol
this thing right?
fallen mural
Yes!
timid idol
aite ty
fallen mural
Im looking at loot from when we killed the boss and one guy did loot a weapon
willow portal
whats the prerequisite for the new campaign quest? my rogue literally doesnt have the portal or a quest to get there
fallen mural
worldly shale
Btw where tf is the flight master
civic zephyr
lets just farm it and find out LMAO
worldly shale
in tazavesh
timid idol
whats the prerequisite for the new campaign quest? my rogue literally doesnt hav...
i finished all of undermine and the westfall or w.e it's called last night and i got the quest this morning
slate forge
Next to the people you turn the quest into on the right
worldly shale
Next to the people you turn the quest into on the right
Thanks, it was bugged
Wasnt there until i relogged
rotund zodiac
where is Ryu
fervent garden
bugs aplenty. had to relog a bunch of time for quests to show/finish.
covert kestrel
i think it's uncertain if the hourly purple chest can drop it
Oy vey and no one else would even think of coming to nightfall so we actually have to engage with the mechanics to get the final chest to confirm 
covert kestrel
where is Ryu
Perma banned
vivid vessel
Oy vey and no one else would even think of coming to nightfall so we actually ha...
Oh
Wait
rotund zodiac
Perma banned
fallen mural
okay guys i did some more digging. It looks like the chest may only drop Arathi weapons. Not the nightfall. Everyone commenting on the spoils says it drops the arathi gear. Which comes from the other vendor.
civic zephyr
so we get one chance a week
covert kestrel
finite arch
<@1372842407854342215> got a weapon
Using my sc is wild!!
fallen mural
I had to reference it
finite arch
HAHAHAHAH
I had a huge boner i was like YO I GOT THE WEAP
Mouseover and was like fuck
Pos doa season
fallen mural
I'm trying to see what ways there are to get the nightfall xmog set, because those mobs would be the one to drop the nightfall cudgel also it looks like. But i don't know what level. Probably a shitty ilvl
finite arch
Think just keep doing the event
the boxes can drop the mog
Renown is the only other way
tight kernel
So new nightfall wep is the move until we replace weps with hero/myth track for keys?
green elm
hey someone can tell me what i have to put in my belt im late i know
worldly shale
So new nightfall wep is the move until we replace weps with hero/myth track for ...
Veteran nightfall is better than myth track at 5+ targets
wintry solar
I'm not having another season of cudgel. Imma take the L. Fuck it.
fallen mural
Think just keep doing the event
Ya but it looks like the event only drops the arathi gear, not nightfall. The nightfall is only weekly. But we will confirm in 7 minutes. It will be my third one in a row i've done
finite arch
hey someone can tell me what i have to put in my belt im late i know
Crit or charged crystal althought i wouldnt worry too much about it youre gonna replace it in like 2 weeks
finite arch
Ya but it looks like the event only drops the arathi gear, not nightfall. The ni...
alright
finite arch
So new nightfall wep is the move until we replace weps with hero/myth track for ...
if you get the vet one its really nice
691 ilvl
Does anyone know how to get rid of this annoying glitter effect and the bottom of my screen
imma crash out
slate forge
Stop doing drugs
finite arch
XD
slate forge
Or start idk
weary fog
i think its a trial of style thing
slate forge
Is KS on f4 so you can press alt and use it on yourself?
finite arch
Is KS on f4 so you can press alt and use it on yourself?
when I was 14 I watched a shit load of swifty vids and bought the orbweaver he uses
fallen mural
nightfall event happening in 2 minutes
willow portal
just to double check, if i dont see a quest here thats normal?
rigid dawn
no he should have dailys and a weekly
rigid dawn
willow portal
where are my quests blizzard
rigid dawn
lol
fallen mural
If your NA look in group finder for nightfall raid scenario
wintry solar
The price I pay for a smooth log in
slate forge
Guess we didn’t do a good enough QA job for blizz on the PTR they will make another blue post yelling at us
rigid dawn
did you talk to brann and do the campaign skip?
willow portal
probably, i mean i had already done the nightall quest before
but now my rogue doesnt have campaign quests or anything
rigid dawn
prolly a bug then that sucks
rigid dawn
lol yeah has to be a bug
willow portal
the flightstone one thats not even there
tight kernel
Veteran nightfall is better than myth track at 5+ targets
Oh jeez okay. Uh so big trash pulls I guess then swap back to crowd fav
How big, guessing solo posted a sim somewhere.. because if it’s marginal then fuck that
slate forge
I think he posted 8 target was 2% can’t tell the targets he was simming
balmy topaz
M0s weekly yeah?
ornate rune
Yes
rigid dawn
are they not daily?
fallen mural
okay so i see everyone opening their cases.. Its all arathi gear. No nightfall gear
balmy topaz
Ohh from the weekly?
timid idol
okay so i see everyone opening their cases.. Its all arathi gear. No nightfall g...
yea its all arathi now
fallen mural
Just weekly. unless you wanted a lower ilvl 642 one lol
willow portal
wtf is that
young prism
so 691 cudgl is not farmable?
old gull
ok so just once a week, thank god
young prism
we only havee 1 shot pr week?
covert kestrel
we only havee 1 shot pr week?
seems to be
young prism
🙁
covert kestrel
🙁
you should be happy, now you can play the game instead of farming an hourly event
young prism
hahaha yes you are right
I'll just say better luck next week and move on with my life
fallen mural
So there is rares that drop nightfall gear im not sure what ilvl they drop afer the patch released
young prism
how outlaw looks for m+ this season? I tried to read all comments but felling a bit confused
are we dramatically behind assas or sub?=
gaunt phoenix
how outlaw looks for m+ this season? I tried to read all comments but felling a ...
fine, prolly a bit worse than last season in competitive keys
covert kestrel
how outlaw looks for m+ this season? I tried to read all comments but felling a ...
fine for low keys, not great for high keys. public perception still low so pugging hard
young prism
Assas. is leading again?
gaunt phoenix
ye
young prism
in keys and raids?
gaunt phoenix
Uh raid depends on boss
young prism
what is this obession with this dumb spec I really don't get it
gaunt phoenix
raid is more of a question mark until it releases
young prism
do they have poltics like "make assas. great again and forever"?
sudden fulcrum
Lmao wtf
keen belfry
i would argue sin is the rogue spec that is most like other wow specs i think
pure jetty
should I send KiR when I get 4 buffs even if some of those aren't the full 30 second ones (like the ones from CTE)
gaunt phoenix
outlaw seemed to do really well on forgeweaver and soulbinder naazindhri on ptr
like, that's probably the data they were looking at to decide not to increase outlaw's aoe too much
young prism
My plan is to stick with outlaw again honestly
covert kestrel
should I send KiR when I get 4 buffs even if some of those aren't the full 30 se...
yes
fresh frost
i've got a bug, when i press KS i don't insta die
young prism
i've got a bug, when i press KS i don't insta die
haah
pure jetty
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
gaunt phoenix
No the quest literally rewards you a bag
ocean imp
Season 3 hasn't even started yet and I already want to drop rogue because of the stealth bug 
keen belfry
ocean imp
Guys the Arcane is calling to me
gaunt phoenix
ya
keen belfry
which stealh bug cuh
gaunt phoenix
there is some kind of bug where you get stuck in stealth animation?
idk i was sleeping
keen belfry
hm
gaunt phoenix
@mighty pivot what is stealth bug
slate forge
!up
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ocean imp
there is some kind of bug where you get stuck in stealth animation?
Yeah, that
Also it makes you unable to go into stealth
Vanish works tho
worldly shale
Also it makes you unable to go into stealth
I could get into stealth
Happened to me once
With regular stealth
fallen mural
game is teasing me
mighty pivot
<@205708819458818049> what is stealth bug
your character sometimes gets stuck in the stealth animation. Not sure what causes it but it was like that on PTR too from maybe the first patch even. You can stealth fine while stuck in that animation but your macros still think you are stealthed if you are stuck in the animation
covert kestrel
Guys the Arcane is calling to me
keen belfry
grapple hook works so well in this new area!
mossy compass
Random question I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to.
In instances of forced downtime where we just can't be close enough to melee anything, is it better to spam Pistol Shot for a little bit of damage and combo points, or let energy pool to be more efficient once back in melee?
torpid fiber
Generally historical wisdom has been that it's better to pool than send raw PS iirc
rotund zodiac
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
covert kestrel
zac, can you update ur WA pack?
what needs update
inland acorn
If there's anything to update it might be KS, but i doubt even that needs updating
rotund zodiac
aight
covert kestrel
slate forge
We get no changes = no need to update thanks blizzard 😌
covert kestrel
the ks icon is updated = 
rotund zodiac
We get no changes = no need to update thanks blizzard 😌
should I be happy or sad
slate forge
Acceptance is the only way at this point
acoustic pivot
is thre any addon for an all in bank bags?
azure vortex
!up
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
your character sometimes gets stuck in the stealth animation. Not sure what caus...
seems pretty inconsequential
keen belfry
what if we functioned the same outside of AR but pressing AR gave us like, 6 buff and it was just a 1min cd
unaffected by restless
gaunt phoenix
unless it has charges, we would still slam it
willow portal
is that trinket good?
gaunt phoenix
no
willow portal
sadge
worldly shale
Wtf is this fkn world boss
gaunt phoenix
yeah, until you get higher ilvl mainhand
torpid fiber
it's your M+ oh until midnight as well
timid idol
gaunt phoenix
would not worry about weathered or carved crests
alpine stag
In the pin, I see we have to open with GS due to the AR bug. Can I get away with this by just macroing GS with AR? Or just have a separate keybind?
fervent garden
how to get it? seems like a no brainer
timid idol
guess im off to farm crests
torpid fiber
You weapon swap it for bosses but bis on trash
worldly shale
oh well
spark relic
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
time
gaunt phoenix
In the pin, I see we have to open with GS due to the AR bug. Can I get away with...
i assume yes though i dont know for sure
covert kestrel
<:sin:433007826840059916> time
timid idol
wait so whats max ilvl now
normal forge
<:sin:433007826840059916> time
im feeling it as well
timid idol
where does m+ myth track end
covert kestrel
Also haste is sht on assa no?
Slightly better on bleed build iirc
covert kestrel
where does m+ myth track end
!up
ornate heathBOT
timid idol
ty
near rock
im feeling it as well
that was a bait post, I was trying to see who is actually a cringe traitor
gg
normal forge
ahahahah
timid idol
aite so basically need a crafted oh for bosses
alpine stag
i assume yes though i dont know for sure
In theory if I just put GS ahead of AR in the macro, GS would just hit first right? Sorry if thats a dumb question lol
gaunt phoenix
once you get tier, you can just test that GS + AR gives you 5 of each coin instead of 4
gaunt phoenix
In theory if I just put GS ahead of AR in the macro, GS would just hit first rig...
Yeah it should
unless you are out of melee
alpine stag
ah yea thats true
covert kestrel
aite so basically need a crafted oh for bosses
MH will always just be your highest ilvl item, thats the most important part. As soon as you get a higher MH than that cudgel you will move it into OH for the packs in M+
mild delta
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
shy sandal
what are u all crafting with ur first spark?
gaunt phoenix
Mainhand
then ring prolly
cause a 2nd ring literally does not exist
unless you want crit haste
fervent garden
i saw a BIS list with earthen rings for both
shy sandal
what is ur 1st ring then?
gaunt phoenix
ye i made that
fervent garden
there ou go
gaunt phoenix
There's a haste/vers ring from some dungeon that is fine
fervent garden
where are we getting new nightfall cutgell? same vendor. sorry if asked allready.
shy sandal
the tazavesh one?
shy sandal
oh
gaunt phoenix
where are we getting new nightfall cutgell? same vendor. sorry if asked allready...
ye
shy sandal
its prretty balanced
gaunt phoenix
vendor is 678, bag from the quest can give you 691
678 is whatever, i wont bother personally
just keep trying every week for the 691
fervent garden
gotcha. ill pick it up later
hybrid crown
That's soooo lame
I hope it goes back to the weekly token vendor maybe start of season
near rock
cause a 2nd ring literally does not exist
Entropy (the boe ring)
could roll good stats
gaunt phoenix
are the stats random? i think it wasnt working on ptr
near rock
assuming it maintains that system
near rock
are the stats random? i think it wasnt working on ptr
it should be unless they change it
gaunt phoenix
yea the data just has nothing instead of 'random stat'
shy sandal
boe as a bis is so dumb
gaunt phoenix
belt is similar... i dont think there are vers belts
though in M+ vers mastery is fine
covert kestrel
main gauche gaming
shy sandal
crafted belt thne?
gaunt phoenix
ya or boe
shy sandal
and for ring the tazavesh one and crafted one?
no good rings in raid
what about the one with the effect
slate forge
Probably double for embellishments
gaunt phoenix
the effect thing is just defensive
maybe not worth 1300 crit 8300 haste
unless you are somehow severely haste deficient
shy sandal
mm yea i guess
strong cargo
Faq suggest KiR Fatebound without KS, is it intended ? I though KS was played by all builds now
gaunt phoenix
where
strong cargo
aoe m+ builds "it is possible to go fatebound in keys"
I was considering taking this for delves
shy sandal
so for m+ we stay trick?
strong cargo
Oh yeah sorry my first import bugged
gaunt phoenix
all good
strong cargo
thx
vivid vessel
np
vivid vessel
so for m+ we stay trick?
ye
gaunt phoenix
so for m+ we stay trick?
yeah, especially at higher levels of play, trickster should be used
but i think if you are not pushing then fatebound is not trolling
vivid vessel
it is trolling
gaunt phoenix
ok
vivid vessel
because you play ks anyway
so its just the same gameplay but less damage tf
if at least it dropped ks
fading coral
game really wants me to play rogue
gaunt phoenix
you don't have to track unseen blade shit
vivid vessel
sure
timid idol
I know I'm biased for this new animation and endgame content is way more important than overworld stuff but
This new ks feels so fucking good man
rotund zodiac
why is there a sparkle effect on the bottom of my screen
timid idol
It not ending because the main target died is crazy qol
covert kestrel
why is there a sparkle effect on the bottom of my screen
something with the cloak
rotund zodiac
hmmm
unkempt smelt
HO still playable/good like last season until we get new tier set or we should swap to KiR already?
thick parcel
Can someone logic me why Killing Spree does the most damage per CP at 1?
shy sandal
it is
worldly shale
CHAMPION GEAR POG RUN
sudden fulcrum
It also drops belts which is useless
gaunt phoenix
HO still playable/good like last season until we get new tier set or we should s...
until you get tier, nothing changes, so yea HO is good
covert kestrel
It also drops belts which is useless
strap in and strap on
shy sandal
oh so when u get 4 tier we go KIR?
covert kestrel
oh so when u get 4 tier we go KIR?
you can go kir whenever! just the gap will be widening by a bit with 4 set
gaunt phoenix
Can someone logic me why Killing Spree does the most damage per CP at 1?
it's 450% of attack power per cp plus one
timid idol
Isn't ho also better in raid bcs it's higher st and similar 2 targets?
fallen mural
WAIT THE LOOT FROM WORLD BOSS IS WARBOUND
Loot is warbound from world boss. But supposidly it’s only one item per week per account. So if you don’t get anything you can kill it again on another character till you get something.
gaunt phoenix
Isn't ho also better in raid bcs it's higher st and similar 2 targets?
it's not like that after new tier
covert kestrel
lucky 
timid idol
I like both so idm
worldly shale
Loot is warbound from world boss. But supposidly it’s only one item per week per...
thats shitty garbage
timid idol
Now I hope blade rush never becomes meta again ks animation is way too good
fallen mural
thats shitty garbage
I got the leather boots on rogue first try. I know stats suck but whatever haha
worldly shale
NOT TRASHMASTER ANY LONGER
worldly shale
I got the leather boots on rogue first try. I know stats suck but whatever haha
Ye i got legs
frail veldt
Can someone logic me why Killing Spree does the most damage per CP at 1?
1 mil is less than 1.5
It does the most damage per execute time at 1cp
gaunt phoenix
it is an interesting point
gaunt phoenix
all our finishers are AP * CPs
but KS is AP * (CPs + 1)
so you get a free cp
so you like
gain less per cp
math !
gaunt phoenix
@torpid fiber this is why DPET went up with KS canceling
thick parcel
1 mil is less than 1.5
yeah I understand but you guys got what I was saying anyway
gaunt phoenix
and perhaps why KS canceling seemed to stick around even after it was buffed 3 times
thick parcel
KS also does not hit behind us despite saying "around"
its clearly only a frontal cone
shy sandal
can i get 2 more this week?
gaunt phoenix
yeah on ptr they changed it to frontal
royal ermine
can i get 2 more this week?
from delves yes
shy sandal
not bountiful? just normal ones
shy sandal
oh yea true
gaunt phoenix
i feel like this tier has more mastery items than any tier in history
late swallow
solo the type of guy to listen to your music reccs and give you his sincere thoughts
gaunt phoenix
probably not
jolly geyser
ayy
gaunt phoenix
wtf
buoyant stratus
Uhoh...
jolly geyser
got 3 weapons today already
shy sandal
so if we get this one we do like last season swap for bosses or packs?
shy sandal
oh
gaunt phoenix
at least for any moderately sized pull
covert kestrel
so how big is this loot pool
late swallow
insane pull ramlu
violet ferry
Is the veteran version from the hourly event or only the weekly chest?
late swallow
keep up the good work
gaunt phoenix
only weekly
shy sandal
so 4-5 tareget and above this will do big big
violet ferry
late swallow
hard work and all that
halle berry, or hallelujah, pick your poison tell me what you doin
covert kestrel
halle berry, or hallelujah, pick your poison tell me what you doin
i love kenny rogers
late swallow
i love kenny rogers
covert kestrel
normal forge
is there a way to get 2nd spark?
fallen mural
Can we get gilded crests from anything this week? Delves?
covert kestrel
Can we get gilded crests from anything this week? Delves?
no gildeds only come from t11 delves bountiful and there are no bountiful
keen trench
per the guide - is the fatebound dream dead now?
gaunt phoenix
oh, this is outlaw channel
gaunt phoenix
keen trench
F
worldly shale
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
heavy shadow
Does it make a difference if BF is up when you use new KS
gaunt phoenix
yea, it makes it cleave
covert kestrel
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
rekt
gaunt phoenix
ks is a bunch of single target hits
heavy shadow
cool, thoughts so but wording was a bit unsure
fallen mural
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Go into phase and kill a rare e z P z
vivid vessel
cool, thoughts so but wording was a bit unsure
ye cause they wanted to make it an aoe attack but forgot
halfway trough
so its just st that cleaves with bf
but has an aoe animation
kind of
silver sluice
i have none left
Technically in two days more wqs will open that will be phase diving as well. But yeah rares work
fallen mural
LOL
rustic ermine
when u streaming @vivid vessel 🙂
rustic ermine
blasting m0s LOL
rustic ermine
how far behind do you think outlaw is from ass and sub? or comparable
vivid vessel
oh no its not comparable at all rn
in m+ at least
no one knows about raid
i think raid it will be alright
kinda simialr to every tier
but we will destroy the 3 aoe bosses prolly
gaunt phoenix
outlaw looked really good on 2 bosses which probably made blizzard think they cannot tune our aoe any further upward
slate forge
Being good in raid is so bad even just for a few bosses look at fury warrior
acoustic pivot
yes
slate forge
Yeah and if we do good on those bosses blizz will put us down there with them real fast
vivid vessel
and that was it
ye well
maybe they shouldnt have made pc
if they cant understand
what the talent does
slate forge
maybe they shouldnt have made pc
Definitely*
quaint mauve
after finishing m0s is there anything i need to do
quaint mauve
kk ty :)
silver sluice
7 and 8 give 694 vault rewards I believe so spam those - technically better than m0 vault rewards
Which are ...691? I think
silver sluice
Yeah
slate forge
Still want to do both for tier chance in vault
silver sluice
Yeah do all either way
remote pecan
fatebound is already ahead without new tier?
potent yacht
anyone know if u gotta do delves again to get belt on ur alt or do they just give it to u like circes ring
gaunt phoenix
fatebound is already ahead without new tier?
not really
quaint mauve
kinda sucks taz is locked :(
quaint mauve
anyone know if u gotta do delves again to get belt on ur alt or do they just giv...
u just need to complete the delves
remote pecan
ignore the cloak i havnt enchanted it yet
quaint mauve
like4 tier one delves
gaunt phoenix
if you are simming ST, then yea kir fatebound could already win
remote pecan
yeh ST
gaunt phoenix
ah, after killing spree change, trickster is slightly worse
we get less coups
and stuff
until tier
you know
potent yacht
like4 tier one delves
might as well run them at 8 right for vault lol
gaunt phoenix
i pinned it, the adventurer track is not really worth it in the long run, but if you get veteran track, it is worth
remote pecan
wasnt expecting to see 4% tho 😮 i was trying to work out what to raid with tonight haha
worldly shale
so after doing the diving im done ye?
quaint mauve
might as well run them at 8 right for vault lol
yerp
worldly shale
i just go spam delves to lvl up cloak?
gaunt phoenix
wasnt expecting to see 4% tho 😮 i was trying to work out what to raid with toni...
this second result is trickster, no?
so its 2.2%
well that 2nd result is low precision cause top gear is annoying nowadays
potent yacht
its really good. if u do the event, u can rng loot chest for a veteran version 691 max
orchid gale
gaunt phoenix
sin is fucking shit up
vivid vessel
i dont do that much mroe damage than s2
i have been looking into it a bit more
and i barely do more aoe than s2
worldly shale
wraps drop everytime
Is it guaranteed
vivid vessel
while every other spec does like twice their aoe
so its kinda fucked up
you were ahead in s2
which idk i think is nromal, if outlaw aint doing more dmaage while having no burst, no raid buff, target capped etc
i dont see the point
and now you are behind
potent yacht
i was doing like 12M pulls in M0
vivid vessel
so ye
hallow crow
i pinned it, the adventurer track is not really worth it in the long run, but if...
thanks im a idiot to not check the pins
ty guys
remote pecan
this second result is trickster, no?
more accurate now i swapped spec
gaunt phoenix
i almost misclicked omegalul
remote pecan
actually this is fb without KS i wonder what it is with it probably less, lets see
sly bone
anyone off the top of their heads able to tell me in raw numbers how much 20% haste is?
gaunt phoenix
660 * 20
sly bone
ty solo
gaunt phoenix
but you really need 19%
sly bone
truu
gaunt phoenix
18 or 20 is just close enough
sly bone
12.5k there abouts. legend ty
remote pecan
pure jetty
Ngl, killing spree is aura now
gaunt phoenix
you also get 2825 from flask
sly bone
i switched my main to Ass in fear of S3, and am gearing a fresh outlaw with the 675 crafted. so i wanna get a ball park instead of simming EVERY craft
remote pecan
FB with killing spree it is i guess
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1jUG2PRGxjKrCMwEmELEjo
or did i do a stoopid?
subtle field
how is outlaw performing in m+ compared to sin and sub?
gaunt phoenix
on ptr, sin was the clear winner, at least in competitive keys
pure folio
assa is a lot better
warped mantle
ok outlaw is meta then
so we can only attempt to get the 691 cudgel once a week?
that's pretty ass
gaunt phoenix
yeh
subtle field
on ptr, sin was the clear winner, at least in competitive keys
was thinking like a 1-2 key level below the highest
subtle field
but is it alot?
gaunt phoenix
probably
vivid vessel
what
subtle field
dont know if I should gear for outlaw first or sin first. pugging seems soo much easier with sin, since they can just fit in magic comp
warped mantle
dont know if I should gear for outlaw first or sin first. pugging seems soo much...
dont matter til .5 bruh
when assa gets whacked
subtle field
what happens in .5?
pure folio
My damage feels like exactly the same as last season.. maybe its the pulls
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
bet you what
gaunt phoenix
My damage feels like exactly the same as last season.. maybe its the pulls
well our current damage didnt change much with the patch
so yea you are just playing the same outlaw
pure folio
What is the point solo... 😢
gaunt phoenix
warped mantle
do we like 2p 2p in trickster
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so
warped mantle
rip
gaunt phoenix
fatebound seemed to go for 2pc immediately
warped mantle
ye fb its good
sadge
is it worth playing
FB 2p 2p
in keys
over old 4p trickster
gaunt phoenix
ehhhhh
warped mantle
hmmgee
pure folio
why do you expect your damage to change <:zerossthinking:1109817889340530708>
New patch means more damage right?? It's like an infinitely stacking bonus
:P
subtle field
the only talent change is loaded dice, right?
subtle field
interersting
gaunt phoenix
that's it
subtle field
literally cba to change my keybinds up, so probs wont be playing sub. requires soo many binds
potent yacht
and teleporting like a chicken with head cut off was?
ks is way better now its like fist of fury lol
vivid vessel
both are terrible
stray star
Does the Crudge event still happen every hour? And to try to get 691, do you have to do it every day or every week?
vivid vessel
i wish it was like fist of fury
jovial dome
I like new KS
gaunt phoenix
as HO it feels fast enough to be fine
but when HO dies off ye it's a bit lame
potent yacht
agree they both suck but its better than the old version for sure
gaunt phoenix
Does the Crudge event still happen every hour? And to try to get 691, do you hav...
691 is only weekly quest
a chance at it
potent yacht
animation cringe though. i wish they made it like woxtoxic displayed it like frontal omnislashes
shy sandal
worth to do big delves for vault this week?
gaunt phoenix
yeh
vivid vessel
fist of fury is way shorter (rn the cast time is close to one gcd btw), fist of fury does 100% damage to main target and isnt rng targeting, fist of fury does real aoe
gaunt phoenix
big 694 vaults
vivid vessel
solo
gaunt phoenix
?!>@#!
gaunt phoenix
no
shy sandal
lol
potent yacht
i meant its similar not comparing it to fist of fury lol
gaunt phoenix
when is BC timewalking? i want that siphon weapon
stray star
With my rng ill never get it
vivid vessel
i meant its similar not comparing it to fist of fury lol
only part similar is the animation (eh barely) and the fact its a channel
its so much worse in so many ways
haha
potent yacht
facts
potent yacht
worth to do big delves for vault this week?
i done like 6 t11 delves not wroth just do 8s
manic quartz
do we have to switch loot specs for cudgel?
reef forge
as long as your lootspec is outlaw you're good
zealous plinth
i have always been lucky
Be as lucky as I was 
brittle pelican
Do we just purchase the cudgel like before?
potent yacht
yes for adventure verison. but the weekly cache can drop veteran rng
gaunt phoenix
yesn't. you can purchase the 678 version, which is not really worth it in the long run. but once per week you get a chance at 691 which is worth it
brittle pelican
Aaah got it, thanks
sharp hinge
sooo hows the new pacth going for everyone
shy sandal
sad
brittle pelican
Wait is the weekly cudgel one warbound? Can I chain this on my other 80s?
potent yacht
naw its soulbound i believe
high shard
So we cant swap weapons during combat no more? thats sadge
shy sandal
it is soulbound
brittle pelican
Boooo, this game sucks. Doesn't let me play how I wanna play
slate forge
So we cant swap weapons during combat no more? thats sadge
You can just not during KS
high shard
trying as we speak, cant due to combat