outlaw

[quaint mauve]

bro i just found 100 flasks in my dks inventory

[vivid vessel]

i made cp triggers idk

[frail veldt]

Once you get the new tier obviously

[covert kestrel]

Riggert

[keen belfry]

but only during ks cast?

[quaint mauve]

i havent played dk in ages

[vivid vessel]

ye

[covert kestrel]

You're such a lil fotm chaser

[quaint mauve]

100 flasks mailed to my rogue

pal

[covert kestrel]

Stop it let me hate

I need this

[quaint mauve]

ok

here u go

[cinder relic]

I feel as though the margins are too big now so I removed it but

[quaint mauve]

im playing rdruid

[cinder relic]

I think spending time this season when it's as good as it is, and the complexity around container being removed would be a good investment of time

But

[vivid vessel]

ok but

whaat changed

[glass mortar]

i mean on live nothing has changed build wise its not like kir got buffed

[vivid vessel]

it has been the same gap since s3 df

[glass mortar]

what ur talking about is with the new tier

dont need to change anything with builds today unless u wanna try fatebound

[quaint mauve]

my mains this season

[covert kestrel]

ah resto druid is chill, thats my alt this patch 😄

[glass mortar]

then u gotta take kspree

[frail veldt]

"screen captured"

lol

[quaint mauve]

idk how to make it stop doing that

:p

[frail veldt]

dont use screen capture

press windows + shift + S

[glass mortar]

it doesnt say that if u just take a pic of ur screen with ur phone

then upload it for us

very quick and ez method

[frail veldt]

LOL

[glass mortar]

[quaint mauve]

i press prt screen :(

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what causes this

[glass mortar]

holyh

someone pin this message

so people can finally stop posting screenshots with goddamn SCREEN CAPTURES in the middle

👏

[daring oxide]

use snipping tool

fool

[red zinc]

Wait

Prepatch housing access is locked behind expansion pre-order?

Zamn

[civic zephyr]

i mean the early access to it is, yeah

[desert tendon]

meme master

[covert kestrel]

Click windows button, type "sni", click snipping tool, click new, drag the box, hit ctrl+c, paste into discord

[quaint mauve]

yk i just found out

[sharp hinge]

idk why anyone would want housing

[quaint mauve]

i can just unbind screen capture

[sharp hinge]

like, just go to goldshire

[quaint mauve]

so ima keep pressing print screen

[red zinc]

Difference between 3 days early access and a month though

[civic zephyr]

is this confirmed as the time difference?

if so yeah thats scummy kinda

[red zinc]

its labeled as a seperate patch on the roadmap before the expansion releases

And prepatches are usually a month removed

seems logical

We’ll see

[glass mortar]

would it matter tho

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel is there a trigger for gaining a combo point

[civic zephyr]

id have assumed they would do it the same as early patch access, so you get it a few days before everyone else when the patch is dropped that introduces housing

[glass mortar]

is it gunna help me in the race to world 2231st if i get my house a month earlier

[covert kestrel]

When you have to progress the battle pass for housing it does

[red zinc]

Eh at least its not epic edition only

thats something

They love that they can make the list of items look super long with miniscule decor items though

[late swallow]

2k tendies is crazy

[red zinc]

Light infused fountain better look like a coom fountain

[covert kestrel]

if i cant get off from my housing, whats the point

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel what am i do wrong

only makes sound once

[craggy barn]

didnt specifically mean gcd just something for the last tick
cuz wasnt there a thing with not being able to queue during ks or some shit

i coulda sworn solo was talking about this

[glass mortar]

I mean its a channel u can't spell queue during it

Ur not on the gcd

The moment u press a button it will interrupt it

So either u cancel it early or u delay ur next gcd

[frail veldt]

Correct

You have to time your latency

[frail veldt]

Moment + your latency

[late swallow]

just want to give a quick shoutout to VLC media player

goated app

[frail veldt]

Tru Tru

So good

[finite arch]

do we have a new outlaw build?

[frail veldt]

kir is playing the same build

HO plays vigor instead of supercharger once they have tier

[vivid vessel]

loaded

[frail veldt]

oh yeah

[torpid fiber]

I gotta install it, Windows video player inbuilts are so awful now

[civic zephyr]

change that one dice talent

[frail veldt]

loaded dice instead of sleight after you lose tier as well

[civic zephyr]

and all good

[keen belfry]

im streaming m0s guys

[frail veldt]

are you blasting?

with new KS?

we gained a little dps right?

[keen belfry]

do u think i will

its time

[civic zephyr]

whats your stream tho

[torpid fiber]

can't wait to resub this evening 🙏
Hopefully it doesn't take me too long to update my weakauras

I don't want to install the new luxthos pack because then I have to change all the code again, but also the s1 one is going to be outdated in a bunch of randomass ways I bet

[frail veldt]

do you need new WAs?

[keen belfry]

sirawang69 mhjm

[frail veldt]

or have you been out a while or something

[frail veldt]

reported

self promo

!ban wangwang

[keen belfry]

FKKK

[civic zephyr]

ty king

[desert tendon]

!ban wangwang

[torpid fiber]

Skipped S2

[desert tendon]

i'd like to swich awang for ryu

[frail veldt]

ah

[torpid fiber]

so they aren't updated for any trickster logic

[frail veldt]

honestly based

s2 sucked ass

[torpid fiber]

It should be fine

[frail veldt]

0/10

horrible dungeons

[desert tendon]

damn

[torpid fiber]

I skip most S2's, just how my motivation ends up going

[desert tendon]

mewo dropped the 0 rate

really rare

[torpid fiber]

S3s are always hype as fuck

[frail veldt]

lol

[desert tendon]

Mewo, top 3 of best video games oat?

[torpid fiber]

Realistically this should be easy to fix

[desert tendon]

checking how based you are

[torpid fiber]

if dustforce isn't top 3 for y'all you're not based enough ngl

[frail veldt]

OAT???

only 3

thats hard

[desert tendon]

of all time

only 3

can increase to 5 if you want

[frail veldt]

is this objective or me personally

[desert tendon]

i wont elaborate more the question

[frail veldt]

fuck

[desert tendon]

top X of all times

am listening

as you grew with wow, i wanna know

[torpid fiber]

I made a top 10 favourite games the other day and it includes wow, league of legends, and then 8 indie games

[frail veldt]

super smash bros melee, warcraft 3 frozen throne, halo prob my top 3

[covert kestrel]

MAYLAYYY BABABYYYYY

[desert tendon]

hey that s not bad at all

[frail veldt]

frozen throneincludes all custom games you could play

[desert tendon]

just so yk

[frail veldt]

cuz I prob spent 5 years playing custom games in wc3

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-terminalmontage-supersmashbros-gif-18466170

[desert tendon]

some people answered me "mario" or "call of duty"

i was like

[frail veldt]

oof

[visual folio]

guys

[desert tendon]

they re not games, they re licences

[visual folio]

why did they ruin killing spree

whats going on

[frail veldt]

gotta be specific

[visual folio]

am i in a nightmare

[frail veldt]

cuz it was incompatible with wow

[civic zephyr]

Are we cooked my fellow outlaws? The new animations look so bad

[frail veldt]

you couldnt play KS in real content

so they had to change it

[desert tendon]

i like your top mewo, not too bad at all

[visual folio]

im gonna throw up

[frail veldt]

hbu fam

[desert tendon]

Ok mewo now we go reverse

[frail veldt]

no that was the old one

[covert kestrel]

thats the old one

[torpid fiber]

This is the most normal person ass response ever

[frail veldt]

with motion sickness

[desert tendon]

worst 3 of all times for you?

[frail veldt]

BASED

[desert tendon]

imma answer after

[frail veldt]

oooooooh

worst or like overrated

[red zinc]

Best 3 games of all time

[desert tendon]

wont elaborate

[frail veldt]

cuz no one even plays bad games

fuck

[red zinc]

endless ocean 2

[desert tendon]

i can help you

i think fifa is a bad game

no cap

[red zinc]

super mario galaxy

and uh

[civic zephyr]

valid take

[torpid fiber]

Unbelievably based

[red zinc]

overwatch when it first came out

Honestly

[desert tendon]

tiem is doing good as well

oof ow

i cant agree

sadly

yes it was a banger

[red zinc]

Release overwatch was the most fun ive had ever

[desert tendon]

but it got destroyed, so it lost a lot of places

[torpid fiber]

I played galaxy as a kid growing up and loved it and then when they released 3d all stars I played them and it was two bad games and then galaxy was still the best 3d platformer ever

[civic zephyr]

overwatch2 release was sshit, overwatch original release was so fun

[frail veldt]

okay
warcraft 3 reborn, starwars battlefront 2(the original was goated), and OW2

[desert tendon]

eeeeh

is war3 reborn a valid take?

[frail veldt]

wc3 reborn was the biggest HOT GARBAGE ever

[desert tendon]

it s a fukken remaster

[red zinc]

Odyssey is probably better than galaxy but shit got a nostalgia factor for me

[frail veldt]

holy shit

they fucked that game up

okay if that doesnt count

[covert kestrel]

wait like the remake of battlefront or the original sequel

[frail veldt]

then leme give a new one for that

[desert tendon]

btw tiem, i liked yours

[frail veldt]

battlefront 2

the remake of battlefront 1 was fine

[random stirrup]

npc take but subnautica/bg3/elden ring are probably my favorite that aren't just like multiplayer grind games

[desert tendon]

ok so mewo

[red zinc]

endless ocean 2 convinced me to start diving irl

[desert tendon]

hear me out

[frail veldt]

idk its hard to pick bad games

cuz I dont play bad games

[torpid fiber]

Nah I think galaxy is better, odyssey had so many moons that they felt worthless and that made me unable to be actually invested in the gameplay

[frail veldt]

or I try not to

[civic zephyr]

im a big fan of borderlandss 2, and elden ring, outside of wow

[covert kestrel]

this??

[frail veldt]

yeah that one

wait

was it that one?

it came out like 5 years ago or something

[desert tendon]

MGS3, Bioshock, Binding of isaac

[covert kestrel]

there were two original ones, both v well loved

[frail veldt]

and it was shit

[desert tendon]

what ya think of my top 3?

[torpid fiber]

which isaac

[civic zephyr]

tboi is banger

[covert kestrel]

no thats from 2005, original battlefront was 2

[frail veldt]

yes 2005 one was the one I played

lol

[torpid fiber]

I have like 600 hours in isaac or smth but I'm a repentance hater so I don't play it much anymore

[desert tendon]

i mean even basic game no mod is banger

but latest one

[frail veldt]

that was the best one

[desert tendon]

repentance is the name i think?

banger

or rebirth

[civic zephyr]

i think i played rebirth most

[torpid fiber]

oh so rebirth+dlcs not og tboi

[desert tendon]

idk i never remember names cuz i just play it

[frail veldt]

but yeah idk bad games is hard to pick its all just franchies shit

[red zinc]

wait

[frail veldt]

like the recent assassins creeds sucked

[desert tendon]

from when it was a flash game to now

[red zinc]

I forgot about hollow knight

[torpid fiber]

important distinction bc "The Binding Of Isaac" is the name of the og flash game

[red zinc]

mmhm

[frail veldt]

the pirate ship one my god that was awful

I didnt even play it though I just know its bad

[desert tendon]

exactly, almost preshot ya

[torpid fiber]

Hollow Knight is really good and it should probably make my top 10 but I think it barely doesn't

[civic zephyr]

never played, but watched ALOT of content from it, looks banger

[red zinc]

Black flag?

[frail veldt]

lol yes

[covert kestrel]

i played "sea of stars" an rpg that looked cute and had good reviews, shit was terrible

[frail veldt]

the QUADRUPLE A game

[red zinc]

What

No thats skull and bones

[desert tendon]

i think hollow knigh thing they gonna release one day if they want to

will be

[red zinc]

ac black flag was a good game

[desert tendon]

top 3 oat to me

also

pretty crazy i didnt talked about any zelda in my top3

[red zinc]

man

[torpid fiber]

Dustforce is easily my #1 game of all time, the most important 2d indie platformer you've never heard of

[red zinc]

too many good games

Why are we playing wow

[civic zephyr]

addiction

[torpid fiber]

WoW is legit really good is a conclusion I've come to

[desert tendon]

what s our thought on fortnite gamers?

[red zinc]

Its good at filling a void

[torpid fiber]

Fornite is fun with friends but I can't aim

[civic zephyr]

enjoyed a lil no build when it came out, then it died off to me again

[torpid fiber]

I genuinely really enjoy wow combat

[red zinc]

like

Wow is a great game

[desert tendon]

that s where fortnite went strong to me, you dont have to be a god aimer to have really big fun and play 10h a day the game

[red zinc]

But ive found myself not playing it when i actually have almost anything else to do in life

[desert tendon]

never been playing it, i ve done 2 games of fortnite in my entire life no cap

but i think

i could ve been addicted if i started it when it released

[covert kestrel]

i can directly draw a line between my mental health and when i get way too deep into football manager

[desert tendon]

looks like they have great devs

[red zinc]

fortnite doesnt care about competitive

[torpid fiber]

I should play more Duelists of Eden

[desert tendon]

yooo

[red zinc]

Which makes it a great game for 99.9% of people

[desert tendon]

duellist of eden

[torpid fiber]

duelists is like actually crack to me

[desert tendon]

nvm

idk this game

[red zinc]

i feel like thats something lizzard has been realizing too recently

[desert tendon]

i mixed it with another thing

[red zinc]

Both with overwatch and wow

[warm fractal]

what's our realistic haste breakpoint don't see anything in pins

[desert tendon]

and diablo

sorry but

[red zinc]

Catering to average player is a lot more important than top players

[desert tendon]

d4 is absotly garbage trash dog bad

[torpid fiber]

Yeah i was very surprised I didn't have you pegged as an obscure indie game person LOL

[desert tendon]

well v

i m a big indie gamer

[torpid fiber]

Huge

[desert tendon]

in reality

you know i m kinda a speedrunner so

i know dark places

[torpid fiber]

Yeah fair enough

[desert tendon]

[torpid fiber]

Speedrunning does that to ppl

I have probably 100 hours in The Zoo Race glitchhunting

[desert tendon]

i dont dislike AAA games

but meh

i prefer AA and below games

i d rather paying 30€ and get isaac for years

than paying 80€ fifa every year

iykyk

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

I grew up without a console that had AAA games or a computer that could play them so I just never got into them

[desert tendon]

Like the last tomb raider trilogy is one of the best experience i had

or even red dead redemption 2, so great landscapes

but like idc about gta6, miss me with that

[torpid fiber]

There's so many good indie games as well, especially ones that are hard

[desert tendon]

if you like indie and roguelite. He is coming is a great game

[torpid fiber]

Will look into it

I have 200 hours in crypt of the necrodancer I should play that game more

Goated game

[desert tendon]

Oh yea

indeed it is

[torpid fiber]

It's really fun to speedrun imo, that's what always brings me back to it

[desert tendon]

oh actually never thought about speedrunning it

[torpid fiber]

Going fast means you have to see way further ahead and be way more precise with your movements

[desert tendon]

cant wait for the full release of hades2 as well

[torpid fiber]

There's a whole community for racing necrodancer

[desert tendon]

i m at 1200h in the beta

trust me i spent time in there

[torpid fiber]

I had 200h in hades 1 but hades 2 dropped after my wrist issues so I only have like 30h

[desert tendon]

[desert tendon]

oh shoot, hope it s getting better

[torpid fiber]

It's pretty stable rn

[desert tendon]

cool

[torpid fiber]

Just means I have to treat "playing games that use the mouse" as a finite resource

[pliant wind]

where off-topic

[desert tendon]

i m playing kbmouse also, but hades pretty fun with a controller

if you dont mind

[torpid fiber]

Controllers actually hurt my wrists more than kbm

Which is good because I never liked controllers for 90% of games

[desert tendon]

yea i can understand that

maybe a smaller controller

like playstation

[torpid fiber]

nah it's consistent across controllers ime

just how it be

[desert tendon]

at least you wont be playing fifa

[torpid fiber]

I don't get how people use controllers for a lot of genres but I've come to the conclusion that it's just whatever you grew up with that you use

Controller for 2d platformers always seems like psycho shit to me but tons of ppl do it

[desert tendon]

oooh

tbh

talking about 2d plateformers

there is supermeatboy

and that s a controller game, i m sorry

[torpid fiber]

I played meat boy on kb and it was fine but run buttons definitely always feel designed for controller

[crimson thicket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDH2A4NGQfoCk2CtVoJZ5J peep the trinkets, sluts

[torpid fiber]

(vs dashes always feel designed for kb to me)

[desert tendon]

i couldnt speedrun it with kbmouse needed the precision of a joystick

[torpid fiber]

Fair

[desert tendon]

like isaac, no cap that s a game i enjoy more on a controller

[torpid fiber]

My gateway to speedrunning was VVVVVV which is 1000% a kb game

The funniest game to me is Hollow Knight, which starts with a "we recommend you play this game on controller" and then the game is perfectly designed for keyboard in every conceivable way

[keen belfry]

ok guys what spec is most op for reclear rn

someone tell me

i want to do

a billion dmg

[desert tendon]

yea hollowknight i played both, they re really good

[desert tendon]

warlock

[torpid fiber]

"Play this on controller" and then it's a game where you want to be able to hold left and then 1f press right+attack and then go back to holding left

[white marten]

Aff huh?

[desert tendon]

idk i quitted how could i know

i just dont wanna see awamage again

[tight kernel]

Did they fix Wrapped Up yet?

or quest still bricked

[stray star]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

bro i cant believe

we actually got this half baked kspree animation live

@vivid vessel

its so silly

why did they let MG procs still swing during it

im cancelling half my gunshots man

[desert tendon]

You guys cancel it still right?

[glass mortar]

u can

its neutral

[desert tendon]

yea then fuck that

insta cancel

[torpid fiber]

Iirc slight loss but like

[glass mortar]

u cancel it at when u hit max cp

not insta

[desert tendon]

wait

that shit gives cp?

[glass mortar]

yes

1 per attack

[desert tendon]

it s more cooked than i thought

lmao

[glass mortar]

i just

all the shitty aspects of it

who decided the animation should be cancelled by fukin mastery procs

[desert tendon]

i mean

the molment they decided to bring a cast

into outlaw rotation

they demoniac

or not a cast but a channeling

[glass mortar]

i mean kspree was always a "cast time" right the demonic thing is making it literally longer then live

like

live was already too long

[desert tendon]

yea old ks wasnt good for modern outlaw still

the new one is neither worst or better

just dogshit

as ks always been

[glass mortar]

its better in it doesnt kill u

i'll give it that

thats all it gets from me tho

the animation and design

[desert tendon]

but again

[glass mortar]

and the fact that every build plays it now

[desert tendon]

the issue aint ks

[glass mortar]

cause they had to buff it 200000X to make it so we wouldnt have a big gain to cancel it

[desert tendon]

the issue is this fucking dogshit hero talents that forces u to play ks

[glass mortar]

good design

honestly the base animation isnt even bad i would be fine if it just fukin worked

but half ur shots u cancel to swing ur damn sword

it looks so stupid

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[desert tendon]

like casters in modern wow can move while casting, and outlaw gotta channel a spell

[glass mortar]

why does every build take this

[desert tendon]

everything is mixed up

i wonder how bad it is in pvp

cuz old ks was actually good for pvp

[glass mortar]

imo its almost worthless

maybe not fully but way worse then prior kspree

no pvp talents for it is a crime

[desert tendon]

i m so glad i quitted and i dont have to bother with it tbh

u know what weran

i realised s2 was the only seaosn in my entire life where i didnt play outlaw at all

[glass mortar]

shame it was outlaws best season this expac prob

tuning wise

[desert tendon]

yet still shit asf

[glass mortar]

was it

or u mean in pvp

[desert tendon]

tuning it was decent i think

nothing crazy

[glass mortar]

tuning it was prob one of the highest dungeon specs in the game

[desert tendon]

but gameplay it was a full 0/10 to me

[glass mortar]

especially in phys comp

tuning comparable to s3 dflight imo

[desert tendon]

so if we do an overall rating, i would say probably a 2/10

[glass mortar]

might be a long time before we see that again

[slim hare]

shit asf wdym forced to use prios ks made me qui outlaw insta

tuning was fine but no way i play that shit it was so bad

[glass mortar]

yea the forced kspree was shit

but the numbers were there to make up for the suffering at least

[slim hare]

now animation still jank but at least its playable

[glass mortar]

dont think i lose an overall to anyone the whole season even when i was pug pushing keys in rando comps

[desert tendon]

yea and ks clips in dailywow

[glass mortar]

we were very very strong in dungeons

[desert tendon]

was so good

[glass mortar]

probably top 3 specs in the game tbh

[desert tendon]

yea but

maybe top3 specs

but had to play an overall way worse comp than the meta thing

[glass mortar]

didnt need to

if u wanted to unholy dk damage sure

i just played with rando nonsense

[torpid fiber]

outlaw df s3 will always be so insane to me, probably second best M+ spec in the game afaik but bc the best was aug we weren't meta

[glass mortar]

i think because it was outlaw we werent meta tbh

[desert tendon]

dfS3 was one of the best if not the best outlaw iteration by far

[glass mortar]

i think this spec is just meta proof idk

[desert tendon]

gameplay AND number

[torpid fiber]

I think if aug hadn't been around we would have been played

[slim hare]

gzmeplay was really goood

[desert tendon]

i liked kyrian dust as well, was very fun

i think outlaw would need to be very very very op to be played

it s not only the aug thing

noone plays outlaw

and that shit so hard to play

noone wants to learn it

[torpid fiber]

Tbh it's kinda the same thing as tww s2 where outlaw needed a completely different comp to the meta one

[desert tendon]

i remember with zero

when we were gapping gingi

and not by 10%

[slim hare]

yeah would need to be tune so high for people to be able to play it at a level where its good

[desert tendon]

yea it would need to be tune so so high

than boomkin and rets players could still outperform anyone else with their known skill

but then you would have real outlaw players like zac doing double damage of anyone else in the game, not fair as well

[slim hare]

yeah x)

[desert tendon]

i really really thing rogue, all 3 specs, will get the mk / sp / disco /mage treatement

[slim hare]

will never happen

[desert tendon]

where it became a 2 buttons class

[torpid fiber]

That was so funny

[bright crane]

Rofl ya right

[cinder relic]

0%

[bright crane]

You think they’re gonna spend that much time on the least played class in the game?

If so, I’ve got a bridge to sell you

[desert tendon]

you re so right

[slim hare]

thats a true take

but its aalso so dumb

[desert tendon]

yungman i gotta test how based you are

top 3 games of all time?

[slim hare]

like mb its the least played class cause qol and spec are bad so people dont play it

[bright crane]

Brother US companies are all running on skeleton crews

They ain’t spending cycles on things with little impact

[cinder relic]

I think rogue is gonna get changes going into midnight but like

I doubt it'll be a dumbing down

The spec has been unpopular and complicated for year. It's class fantasy at this point

Like literally since tbc lol

[slim hare]

O_O

[jagged spindle]

Has rogue ever been popular?

[cinder relic]

Rogue has been like, bottom 5 played probably since vanilla

[bright crane]

Which is weird cause it’s like

A classic MMO archetype

[jagged spindle]

I started in legion i swear i saw rogue everywhere back then maybe i'm tripping

[cinder relic]

So is mage, druid, hunter, warrior, Paladin

Even in ff, the rogue, from my understanding is also very low playrate

Not ninja. Like actual rogue

[slim hare]

not saaying your wrong but button bloating is a thing and i thought they wanted to reduce the number of button we use. i'd be suprise if we gain new button without some taken away

[cinder relic]

I think rogue could lose like 3 buttons each spec and still be cool and fun so

[desert tendon]

in ff i was samourai

[cinder relic]

But I wouldn't call that "dumbing down"

[bright crane]

Yeah

Like KS

Could stand to lose that sucker

[fathom bramble]

snd, KS ,ghostly

that's 3

[cinder relic]

Ks will never leave outlaw

[fathom bramble]

idk what else you could take without being a really bad idea

[desert tendon]

lose ks, snd and er

that s 3

[slim hare]

with the amount of work they did for animation

i got bad news its not leaving

[fathom bramble]

I guess kir

[brittle pelican]

really thought you meant midnight as in 12am tomorrow

[desert tendon]

LOL

[brittle pelican]

I was like whoa, what a call

[cinder relic]

Kir should mega get removed

[desert tendon]

😠

[cinder relic]

It should just be a cool passive instead

[fathom bramble]

I think if you remove 3 buttons from sin you might be out of buttons 🤔

[cinder relic]

"rtb always rolls +1"

Or "rtb stacks rather than refreshes"

[desert tendon]

you can still press feint !

[bright crane]

Rtb stacking would be sick

[slim hare]

at this point rework rtb buff no

[desert tendon]

i think buffs are fine tho

i was mad at them for couple years

but i realised they re not so bad

[fathom bramble]

the individual buffs are fine now

[desert tendon]

i miss my leech dice tho

[acoustic pivot]

So from the pin are we using trickster KIR in m+ and fate in raid? even without the new tier? or would be continue trickster in raid untill we get the set?

[fathom bramble]

the fact that we have rules just based on buff count instead of specific things tells that whole story

[desert tendon]

you use fate only, and only, in pure single target

[acoustic pivot]

is that with the new 4set? or with undermine stuff as well?

[desert tendon]

i let gamers answer you

[brittle pelican]

how complicated are things when we get 4pc?

[fathom bramble]

I don't think I've run a single sim on the new builds with old tier

[cinder relic]

Nop

[white marten]

Bring back HO blizz. Huge ambush buff pls

[fathom bramble]

change HO to 120%

[desert tendon]

😒

ho gamers 😒

[slim hare]

yeah i just think basic mandatory talent like that should be core and not talent but maybe i'm cooked

[desert tendon]

they need to give use mandatory talents

they need to fill the tree

even if that feels bad

[proper python]

am i tripping or does the new killing spree suck

[slim hare]

it doest feel bad always

it feels bad when pathing around those mandaatory talent is bad

[desert tendon]

the worst was nightstalker tbh

giving you 0% damage amp!

[fathom bramble]

this just isn't realistic with the new talent system unfortunately

you can't fill the entire tree with things that don't feel mandatory

there will always be something

[buoyant ridge]

Ok guys - I’ve never played KiR before - what’s my learning curve look like ?

[desert tendon]

if you already have played outlaw, pretty fast

make sure to unbind this ugly ambush button

[slim hare]

but then make sure pathin aaround those mandatory talent is good and you can make multiple choice

when your force to take a shitty talent only to take a good one its just bad design

[desert tendon]

i remember in df prepatch

[fathom bramble]

"travel nodes" are also an inevitable fact of this talent system

[desert tendon]

i made an outlaw setup without rtb and adr

was gigachad

[cinder relic]

That's like, the entire concept of how talent trees work tho in every game

[gaunt phoenix]

mainly the builder rules are more involved, choosing between SS or PS based on CPs, broadside being active, and opp stacks

and optimally, seeing when unseen blade from trickster is guaranteed

[cinder relic]

Travel nodes are like, a requirement

Not every travel node is meant to be as valuable as the destination

[slim hare]

travel could be low amount of stat or something

not a talent that could legit be 'do nothing'

[desert tendon]

in classic wow talents felt even worse tbh

impact wise

but was more rpg like

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[cinder relic]

I think 10% crit and "do nothing" are literally the same thing

[buoyant ridge]

Roger that - thanks guys

[cinder relic]

Like neither of these talents fundamentally do anything

[slim hare]

strongly disagree at max level only i could see your argument

[hallow spoke]

10% crit when paired with seal fate or so does matter

[surreal flower]

It’s hot take but the new system is just gonna devolve into the issue they had before the mop rework

[slim hare]

but when you lvl up a new character it feels 10 time better to get that 10 crit

[desert tendon]

you guys are word playing now

you got guy point

[cinder relic]

I think a fact that needs to enter people's heads is that no system is without issues and you should be able to enjoy a system despite its shortcomings

[hallow spoke]

like T3 seal fate was rly fun, i dnt get the hate on classic talents that way. when it combines well with tier certain nodes feel great

[fathom bramble]

I'm still enjoying these talents even though MoP system was better

[desert tendon]

late SL CTO

99%

[cinder relic]

The current talent system has issues
The mop system has issues
The pre mop system has issues

[slim hare]

i do enjoy it there is some class where tree feels really good and other one that are quitte bad if not worse

[cinder relic]

I much prefer these talent trees to the mop ones. But I also never hated the mop ones much either

[surreal flower]

You’re making the same choices as the mop ones, it’s just spread into a tree instead of however many rows

[cinder relic]

Not at all

[surreal flower]

The travel nodes might as well not be there in terms of decision making

[fathom bramble]

they are an artifical way to increase the talent point cost of a powerful node without actually making it take 2 points

[mighty pivot]

that's not true at all. the mop nodes were exclusive and that's not that much the case now. Imagine if you had to choose between PC or GS no matter what

[cinder relic]

The level of granularity that exists with this talent tree is nowhere close to the mop system

[fathom bramble]

which can let you have talents that are incredibly powerful without them being too dominant or messing with the structure of the tree

[cinder relic]

Ya

[fathom bramble]

so they do do something meaningful at least

whether you like them or not

[slim hare]

yeaah my problem is when that artificial way is legit : it cost 2 point caause travel

but the meaningfuyl node is good

i just think with a tree that small you should not require such artifice to make your tree

and the tree i feel are the better one don't use that often

[glass mortar]

all the artifice is really doing is proving us a slightly more messy version of the mop trees

which is fine

[slim hare]

maybe twice at most

[glass mortar]

the talent system as it exists gives a sense of progression as you level

thats always been the real purpose of the pathing nodes

people just dont care about leveling

feels so much nicer to get a talent every level then it did getting one every 15

[fathom bramble]

honestly I found it kind of annoying

[glass mortar]

it also to be clear, gives us way more flexibility in our "utility" then we have been offered every in the history of this game

[fathom bramble]

you level so fast you are trying to figure out where to put the point in a big web every 10 minutes

[glass mortar]

the ability to drop shiv and pick up weak stuff but stuff u never would have had

[glass mortar]

sure but its like

theres zero barriers here

put them wherever it sounds fun

u can swap them however u want always for free

man im playing classic and its kinda crazy how many barriers to respeccing we had in this game

for a very long time

[slim hare]

yeah i think class tree are for the most part way better then spec tree

[surreal flower]

Ya but what if they were just baseline and we had something more interesting in an exclusive node

[slim hare]

cause its mostly utiliy related very few mandatory node and take whaat tool you need /want

[cinder relic]

But the nodes weren't more interesting is the issue

Ur assuming that the mop talents inherently had more exciting nodes

[glass mortar]

ok but u could just put the more interesting nodes where ghostly is?

ur problem isnt with how the talents work

[cinder relic]

We had blade rush, and dancing steel in the same row for literally years

[glass mortar]

its with the few capstones you are actually picking between

which can be an issue for sure

[surreal flower]

True our capstones are booty hole

Rip gsw

[glass mortar]

its just not an issue related to how the talent tree exists

[mighty pivot]

the choices were very similar to what we have now and some rows were "wasted" in utility etc so the real choices were like what, 4? and that didn't even help with having cookie cutter builds

so even if there is usually less impact with moving points around now, at least you get to do it

[cinder relic]

This is outlaws old talent Tree

[desert tendon]

hit and run

[surreal flower]

Acro

[glass mortar]

why would you pose this

[cinder relic]

None of these talents were interesting

[glass mortar]

🥹

[dawn tundra]

God, I remember the days when it was so simple to understand. You just chose one ability from three and that was that.

[glass mortar]

gone but never 4gotten

[slim hare]

naaah for sure our current talent tree is an improvement

[fathom bramble]

all 3 good at one point or another
Acro
all 3 good at one point or another
cheat/elusiveness choice
Prey only
all 3 good at one point or another
Blade rush ST, DS aoe

1st row resulted in very different gameplay between the 3

[desert tendon]

blade rush in my tazavesh gambit

cuz uncapped

😠

[gaunt phoenix]

That 3rd row was kind of the goat

[desert tendon]

and xymox cache

[surreal flower]

Mfd skill gap was insane

[desert tendon]

mfd kyrian dust

[red zinc]

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE

[dawn tundra]

So, are the Outlaw builds for 11.2 up right now?

[desert tendon]

i m yiem

[red zinc]

hi im yiem

[desert tendon]

who are you already?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, though until you get new tier, they aren't changing

[surreal flower]

As a whole the class needs to be more interesting and driven in a direction by the devs for the old talent trees to work

[red zinc]

censer you might be my favorite #outlaw microcelebrity

[surreal flower]

Ya it’s a little more open to interpretation now

But I’m not gonna say I didn’t have more fun playing the game with the old trees

[cinder relic]

Well my point is that's not a new talent tree issue, that's a "not getting enough attention" issue

[surreal flower]

Good thing classic mop just came out

[cinder relic]

Bring back combat readiness

[surreal flower]

7 weeks of sub jail for prog and back to mogushan vaults

[cinder relic]

That's a real ability we need back

[strong halo]

Why do I feel weaker today than yesterday lmao

[glass mortar]

u shuldnt

well

maybe its a relative thing

my guildy is playing demo and doing like 4.3m st dps so i understand

i gained 200k sim dps logging in tho

[gaunt phoenix]

our dps is about the same, but other people maybe gained more

[glass mortar]

so thats nice

[strong halo]

I was getting gapped by like every class

[red zinc]

insert kalamazi image here

[glass mortar]

yea theres a couple specs broken af for sure

[quartz meteor]

Hey folks, anyone would happen to have this wa right here? I lost all my was and I can't find this specific one on wago 🙁

[glass mortar]

wonder what my monk sims for now

[desert tendon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

thats zacs RtB WA if im not mistaken

[surreal flower]

That rtb one looks like Zac’s

[glass mortar]

his group is right there

[gaunt phoenix]

zac !

[desert tendon]

the rtb buff trackers from zac

we dont like zac here tho

[slim hare]

we need zac to yap more

[desert tendon]

so dont tell him

[slim hare]

it does work

[red zinc]

no it doesnt

[mighty pivot]

not shuriken toss as max level talent like combat did?

[glass mortar]

ok shuriken toss was a banger in pvp tho

[snow viper]

rip killing spree, you were pyschopathic fun

[glass mortar]

tfw kiting melee as a rogue

[grim spear]

can we still play s2 m+ this week?

[quartz meteor]

yessir, thats exactly what I needed, tyvm.

[quartz meteor]

tyvm

[frank finch]

and so it begins

[fathom bramble]

finally an item with good stats

[mighty pivot]

we have trashmasters at home

[grim spear]

lose my trashmaster title, sad

[surreal coral]

which fiber to take?

vers?

[fathom bramble]

yes

[surreal coral]

thx

[fathom bramble]

you can change it later if you decide to swap specs

[surreal coral]

thanks

[dark bane]

when do we ditch set bonus?

[lone spear]

probably not until new 4set unless its like major ilvl

cause then the build would be weird i think tho idk

i guess with 2set/2set u can swap to loaded

[brittle pelican]

which fiber socket we going for?

[grim spear]

vers

[haughty wigeon]

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel

@vivid vessel

You can save outlaw

You can get nightfall cludge

[past sphinx]

M0s are a weekly lockout?…

[gaunt phoenix]

Vers or haste

If ya need haste

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya

I think they become daily next week tho

[gaunt phoenix]

@lone spear it seems fatebound will go for 2 set immediately

Trickster will probably wait for 4

[past sphinx]

Why would they even make them a weekly lockout in the first week

[pure jetty]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lone spear]

they dont want people to feel like they need to do world tour every day

even though you wouldnt have to

theyre saving players from themselves (which is the right call imo)

[torpid fiber]

Yeah imo it's the right call

[cinder relic]

Bro it's not even about saving players I'm at my girlfriends bro

Imagine if I missed 2 days of m0s

I'd kms

[fathom bramble]

should just have no lockout so I can have my gear in order before the raid opens

[torpid fiber]

This is what they mean by saving players tho

you don't feel shit for missing a day

[fathom bramble]

what's the point of even having time gating on gear that is only useful for a week

M0 should have no lockout and/or open when M+ does

[timber knoll]

nah fuck that then guilds would require people to be slamming the m0s nonstop

[gaunt phoenix]

Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I’m meeting a girl (a real one) in half an hour (wouldn’t expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don’t DM me asking me where I am (im with the girl, ok)

[jovial dome]

Is there a signal in which you want us to call you and tell you there is an emergency happening? Cause you know Bros before....well you know

Addon bugged out my reshii wrap quest....now I can't finish it 🙁

[pure jetty]

is anyone else having fps problems after patch went out?

already disabled all addons

[cinder relic]

LMFAOOO

[proper bear]

I hate deft maneuvers

[median sequoia]

Bro, my wife is in the other room angrily cursing about talent changes.

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[finite arch]

Dude i cant get runed crests sadge

Pull the ripcord

[proper bear]

Can I swap out deft maneuvers without sucking legendarily bad d0ng?

[finite arch]

Its gonna feel really ass

[gaunt phoenix]

not really kir kinda needs it

[real yew]

Boys, I just completed six M0 runs, but when I try to do another Dawnbreaker— even after resetting the boss— it’s still dead. What am I doing wrong?

[finite arch]

Is it a meme if i am running loaded dice before tier set?

[finite arch]

Once a week

[real yew]

We can't do the 8 dg's for vault?

[proper bear]

[gaunt phoenix]

kinda yeah

currently you just roll over 2 buffs anyway

so loaded dice kinda does nothing

[finite arch]

Thought you were with a girl

[frail veldt]

SOLOOOOOOOO

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[frail veldt]

Why'd you respond aren't you with a girl

[finite arch]

Thats what i said this dude def capping

[frail veldt]

Literally

[finite arch]

True 12 year old me was crazy into dragon age origins

[frail veldt]

The whole reason for going to school and getting a good job is so you can do all the shit you wanted to do as a kid but for the rest of your life

Simple as that

[finite arch]

Fast forward 12 years later im still rerunning it

[past sky]

why does outlaw usually gravitate towards damage proc trinkets? is it because we stack vers?

[torpid fiber]

vers, bte crit, bad stat scaling

[finite arch]

We dont have a lot of options tbh

[past sky]

ah yeah bte

[finite arch]

We hit haste cap pretty fast too

[past sky]

i thought we had bad scaling generally too yeah

[finite arch]

Esp with ar

[frail veldt]

Cuz stats suck ass for outlaw lol

Worst stat scaling in the game bby

[torpid fiber]

We don't have real burst windows either so stat cd trinkets kinda badge

[frail veldt]

By a huge margin

[finite arch]

Kir runs with 18 -20 haste yea?

I forgot

[glass mortar]

stats suck and we stack two of the strongest stats for direct damage trinkets

[frail veldt]

19 ye

[glass mortar]

direct damage trinket scaling is generally... a mixed bag with haste, completely untouched by mastery

so stacking a zillion vers and having a zillion crit helps them alot

[finite arch]

Swapped out a ring for the verse stat went from 23 to 18%

Should still be safe

[frail veldt]

That being said house of cards was still good in AOE for KiR last season

[glass mortar]

goods a strong word

[frail veldt]

But that trinket is just op

[glass mortar]

zac propaganda

[frail veldt]

It was good

[glass mortar]

it was overbudgeted and it simmed like 0.5% ahead of the priory trinket maybe

[frail veldt]

As good as all the other mid ass trinkets

[glass mortar]

sure

[frail veldt]

So yeah it was good lol

[glass mortar]

i dont consider any trinkets from s2 good so

i dont agree

😠

[frail veldt]

Rofl

[finite arch]

Pacemaker, gear trinket enjoyer

[frail veldt]

We gonna do this

Don't make me define good

[quaint mauve]

is warpclaw good :p

[glass mortar]

hellllll yea

[quaint mauve]

i got it and it feels good

[frail veldt]

What's dat

[quaint mauve]

eco dome trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

this zone is cool as fuck

netherstorm

[torpid fiber]

I'm so excited to see the new zone tbh

[haughty moon]

servers are off
cant see my new shotguns yet😩

[finite arch]

Korthia

[gaunt phoenix]

no !

[glass mortar]

ngl i didnt have || xal creating all the ethereals || on my list of expected lore drops

[quaint mauve]

the zone is amazing

i love it

[glass mortar]

and yea the vibes r great so far

[finite arch]

My 2 favourite zones are korthia and zereth mortis

Torghast is a Stier player hub

[frail veldt]

I loved korthia still

I know many people hated it

But I liked how small it was

And the little parkour you did to get treasures

Fun zone imo

Nice and quick

[torpid fiber]

Zereth Mortis is my favourite zone ever specifically bc of the green half of it

[frail veldt]

The desert side sucked though lol

[torpid fiber]

The green part of zereth mortis blew me away so much when I first entered the zone that I just stared for 10 minutes

[frail veldt]

The sand pits and shit

[torpid fiber]

Yeah most of the desert was ass

The desert with the little dudes rocked but the desert with jailor enemies sucked

[frail veldt]

Jailor enemies just sucked as a whole

Like I get the theme

[gaunt phoenix]

ah yes grapple still fails me

feels like home

[frail veldt]

But I don't need to be rooted and slowed when I run past every mob

[glass mortar]

yea i mean this terrain is nightmare fuel for grapple but what r u gunna do

at least we can fly from day 1

the technology to fix grapple simply doesnt exist

[frail veldt]

I like that you can cast the flying mount while still stealthed

They added that randomly in DF I think

Huge qol

[glass mortar]

well

it breaks stealth tho

[frail veldt]

Nah

[glass mortar]

u could always cast it from stealth

[frail veldt]

It don't lol

[glass mortar]

yes it does

[frail veldt]

That was the change

[glass mortar]

i just tried it 3 times

it insta breaks it

[frail veldt]

I stg if they broke it again

[glass mortar]

it used to work like that

[frail veldt]

It was specifically dragon riding mounts

[glass mortar]

they fixed subterfuge bugs last season tho

and it fixed being able to mount in stealth

it was a subterfuge bug

[frail veldt]

UGH

Jfc

Blizzard

Why

[glass mortar]

yea it was always subterfuge causing that

idk why tho

to be clear

[frail veldt]

Well it was there for a while I liked t

[glass mortar]

ya

i mean we've run subterfuge for awhile

but it was goated

[frail veldt]

Well it wasn't like that in like sl or start of df

Even with subt

[glass mortar]

ya i think it broke in the rework

[frail veldt]

So silly

[glass mortar]

but it doesnt super matter

since combat no longer cancels mounting

[frail veldt]

I mean it's nice to have

[glass mortar]

that is very nice

[frail veldt]

Yeah but being hit does

Doesn't it

Or is that also changed

[glass mortar]

dont think so

[frail veldt]

You sure?

[glass mortar]

can check

sec

[white marten]

Mounted combat when?

[glass mortar]

nop it doesnt

[torpid fiber]

ff14 added the ability to move while mounting up and it fucks me up so much that I don't use it most of the time

[torpid fiber]

Do you have thr mount equipment on that stops it

[finite arch]

Back here once again

feels nostalgic

[tender wedge]

nice instant upgrade though

[finite arch]

I think its broken

event didnt start

HAHAHAAHHA

[tender wedge]

i got my token yesterday and just bought the cudgel today 😉

[torpid fiber]

I assume adventurer cudgel will lose to mythic weapons probably

but yeah it's huge that it's updated 🙂

[quaint mauve]

my game broke

[glass mortar]

if u want cursed knowledge apparently its comparably to a mythic oh at 8 targets and better beyond (obviously because its the only thing u have that scales beyond)

but

yea

[frank finch]

soem servers r crashing

[torpid fiber]

huh

what's the breakpoint btwn a heroic oh

[finite arch]

STORMRAGE WENT DOWN!

[glass mortar]

no idea

[finite arch]

my nightfall event

farj

[glass mortar]

think solo only compared to mythic oh

or thats what he talked about

so probably lower target threshold

[gaunt phoenix]

i need to make a command to show people how to sim this fucking weapon

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

it is annoying to sim tbf

i mean u can just sim it on dslice w/e

if it doesnt win there dont use it gg

(not fully accurate since u can avoid all of its ST loss)

[quaint mauve]

what if i just

dont use it to begin with