outlaw

[warped mantle]

bruh

85m

???

[pliant wind]

ty zac

[warped mantle]

what

[pliant wind]

yeah thats the one

[mighty pivot]

good spec

[vivid vessel]

eh i think he goes higher

let me see

[turbid oasis]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

the pick on details

[warped mantle]

nerf bf by 3%

[pliant wind]

haha

<3

[vivid vessel]

nah ye thats prolly it

[warped mantle]

what pull is this in halls

[vivid vessel]

he could have done more if the pack was setupped faster

[warped mantle]

how many targ

[vivid vessel]

random pack

after boss

[pliant wind]

instigator is a random tank zac?

[civic zephyr]

but surely this calls for another bf nerf!

[pliant wind]

i mean, its not pre?

[flat pebble]

holy

[vivid vessel]

idk who he is

[pliant wind]

fk

[vivid vessel]

these players arent random tho

[pliant wind]

then uhdk could have done 100M with an organized pull

[warped mantle]

shuh is in advance

right

he good player

[flat pebble]

elbro best enhance io++

[warped mantle]

he has good buffs here

and pi

but 85m is diabolical

[pliant wind]

its worse than s2

this op shit

[vivid vessel]

this is the pack

[warped mantle]

just so u know @vivid vessel

his blood beast proc

did more dps than u

[pliant wind]

lol

[glass mortar]

but they gutted blood beast, dk cant even do damage anymore, its a support spec

[pliant wind]

[glass mortar]

thats what ive been led to believe

😠

[flat pebble]

23 mobs on pack, and outlaw doing dmg on 8 LOOOOL

[warped mantle]

let me overlay

for ease of viewing

[vivid vessel]

its not even that many mobs tb f

[civic zephyr]

unholy only doing 80m.. time to nerf rogue more

[pliant wind]

uhdk

zac <_<

[warped mantle]

thoughts

[pliant wind]

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

well looking at this is useless

[mighty pivot]

UHDK dobby spec

[vivid vessel]

thats the damage of one tick

its not like

[warped mantle]

my pic is the total

[pliant wind]

yeah i know

[flat pebble]

@vivid vessel u gonna ahead with outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

thats not real data

[warped mantle]

u did 17m

BB did 13m

ish

[pliant wind]

but is the dmg in a moment that would not even dream as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

im an outlaw one trick

idk why people dont know that

[warped mantle]

(except raid)

where's the caveat

[flat pebble]

cause i see u with another specs, btw

[warped mantle]

i wanna see u play OL on endboss

[mighty pivot]

a 678 cudgel is all you need to match that

[warped mantle]

this made me laugh

[mighty pivot]

[warped mantle]

LMAOOOOOO

that acc made me laugh out loud

3% cudgel

YIPPEEEEEE

zac is literally in the cuck chair

watching blood beast fuck the pull

[vivid vessel]

eh

it wont be 3%

it wasnt 3% this tier already

[pliant wind]

they are busy with pandaria hotfixes

[vivid vessel]

we are looking at less than a %

[warped mantle]

it was 3% in aoe no?

[vivid vessel]

this time

[warped mantle]

s2

[vivid vessel]

no

[normal forge]

maybe if both specs play using one-button rotation they will be equivalent, lol, jk, maybe blizz is focused on that

[vivid vessel]

cause you lose stats its not free

it was 3% on details

[warped mantle]

i think uhdk doing one button rotation

[mighty pivot]

you fixed the "bussy" pretty fast

[warped mantle]

would do like 25m

probs

or 40m

in that pull

[lethal oak]

Let's try mastery stacking guys

[pliant wind]

i tried already

crit mastery outlaw

[warped mantle]

wth

[pliant wind]

not bad in aoe tbh

[lethal oak]

That way it will be easier to swap specs

[warped mantle]

crit mastery no haste

[pliant wind]

but st is a fking shit

[warped mantle]

bro has 0% adr uptime

[pliant wind]

i tried crit mastery HO build, 80% adr uptime 9M constant dmg in 4t and 2.5M st

[normal forge]

true

[pliant wind]

is funny to have main gauche dealing more dmg than everything

(ignoring bf)

[vivid vessel]

it was casted before the log snippet

[warped mantle]

wat

[vivid vessel]

it wont show buffs with 100% uptime

[warped mantle]

im talking about the crit/mastery build

^^

[vivid vessel]

ah

[warped mantle]

he said he played crit/mastery outlaw

[pliant wind]

yeah i tried on ptr

haha

[warped mantle]

80% Adr

diabolical

[pliant wind]

crit mastery, haste mastery, mastery vers, crit vers

nah, everything is worse than vers-haste-crit

but fun to try

[normal forge]

i think they should amplify our mastery, striking twice more often is fun, imo

[pliant wind]

i would really like a mastery like elem sham tbh :o

that would be fun

bte PUM PUM

dispatch SLASH SLASH

:O

[limpid onyx]

Mastery could give extra opportunity chance for example, similar to enh

[lethal oak]

Mastery should just buff KS damage, thoughts?

[normal forge]

like, make ghostly strike increase dmg by 15% but instead of 12 scs make it 20 scs, and also make it increase mastery by 15%

also, make KS not capped

outlaw fixed, easy

[pliant wind]

The main gauche mastery don't fit the outlaw style at all

[keen belfry]

dooming and complaining is actually really fun ive had fun these last 2 days

i should not have watched zac's arakara yesterday

[daring oxide]

ive had fun reading it

[keen belfry]

vai

theres a log that zac did less dmmg total than casual did to his prio target

thats actually so sick

[daring oxide]

ye i saw

it just means we getting buffed, right?

[wintry solar]

I should play htat class

[keen belfry]

mhm

[lethal oak]

Midnight rework will be reverse surv hunter and make it ranged

[daring oxide]

no midnight rework will make outlaw ranged

[pliant wind]

survival shouldnt have shots

[daring oxide]

we gonna be a dual pistol spec

[pliant wind]

just melee skills

or a grenade launcher

[normal forge]

why? I havent watched it.

[daring oxide]

go watch it

[keen belfry]

he did 0 dmg

[stiff vector]

You dont wanna watch it

[daring oxide]

he should watch it

[keen belfry]

4mil dps behind frost dk

[stiff vector]

also dont watch the halls

either

[daring oxide]

watch them all

[normal forge]

oh, snap

[pliant wind]

we never thought about this but is possible that zac sucks with outlaw?

[daring oxide]

its over

[vivid vessel]

i will upload to youtube for propaganda

[normal forge]

reroll mm hunter

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[vivid vessel]

"OUTLOAW NEEDS BUFF??"

[keen belfry]

i did mention to zac that he needs to play better

[pliant wind]

hahahaa

[daring oxide]

please do

[pliant wind]

OTP this days

gosh

[daring oxide]

these days*

[pliant wind]

fk, thank you

[daring oxide]

ur welcome

opps

you're welcome

mb

[pliant wind]

im still learning

<3

[daring oxide]

same

we learn together

[leaden sonnet]

Time to step up and become the outlaw kalamazi zac

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

except he isn't sandbagging??

zac is legit honest man he would never

[lone spear]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring oxide]

zac is pinnacle of integrity

[pliant wind]

and he is french

[daring oxide]

yup

french are really good at being loud and angry

[pliant wind]

ironically

[lone spear]

i wonder if subs dam profile will still make it the go to for raid

[wintry solar]

unironically

[pliant wind]

cally

[wintry solar]

lly

[lone spear]

it looks a decent chunk behind

[wintry solar]

even

[pliant wind]

[wintry solar]

reminder to clean yalls desk in anticipation for your reroll!

a clean desk is a clean mind

[daring oxide]

@near rock i need to know if you are locking in and committing to outlaw this tier, same for you @fathom bramble

[lethal oak]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[pliant wind]

Haha

[vivid vessel]

i mean im not tho

[neat mist]

He's not honest when he says that

catch-22

[jolly geyser]

I believe in buff next week

[daring oxide]

i know u zac u are good boy

[vivid vessel]

I also say it when outlaw is good

like tthis season

[pliant wind]

zac playing outlaw

[daring oxide]

ya

[vivid vessel]

I'm not delusional

[pliant wind]

cuh

[daring oxide]

you are just honest and loud

and thats a good thing

[jolly geyser]

zac is DH main

[pliant wind]

:o

[daring oxide]

Felelvis?

[pliant wind]

hahaha

[daring oxide]

TomFelvis?

[pliant wind]

Felvis

Pelvis

[jolly geyser]

Cervix

[lethal oak]

How can one be not delusional, while also being an outlaw main

Explain

[normal forge]

great question

[wintry solar]

its in the water

high apm will do that to you

[daring oxide]

i saw casual playing rotten yesterday

in keys

was interesting

[mighty pivot]

it's ready to go

[wintry solar]

I wish Outlaw had that aura

[daring oxide]

ya

but instead

we have an aura of a gnome alchemist

[vivid vessel]

zief

[neat mist]

Zief VanCleef

rap god

[lethal oak]

If they cut KS CD in half our stocks with skyrocket

[pliant wind]

Between the Eyes damage increased by 15%

[mighty pivot]

judging by how they change things, they would cut it in half but make it hit a random target in the entire instance to compensate

[jolly geyser]

rogue starfall

[lone spear]

it would also need a duration reduction*

[lethal oak]

Its hasted now too

[gaunt phoenix]

unfortunately at 8 targets the nightfall cudgel appears to be on par with mythic offhands https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sHYEeLrVBwZ7jVAZfJqbuY

so in more than 8 targets pulls...

[lone spear]

its still like 2.8sec or sumtin, bit long as is, very long if we casting it every 15ish sec

[vivid vessel]

i mean ok you dont use it

there is no way lol

[normal forge]

will the ilvl automagically increase if u have the item in your bags? or need to buy after season lands?

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if you pull like 28 mobs id probably use it

[tropic zephyr]

[glass mortar]

so u gotta swap it on for just 8+ aoe now and not for normal aoe

thats giga cursed

[vivid vessel]

you cant really swap it in comabt for free during ks like before tho

so idk

[glass mortar]

yea idk if thats worth at that point

how much damage is it gaining at 8 targets

[keen belfry]

i think the vibes off it make it not worth

[vivid vessel]

I saw that

[umbral acorn]

Hi everyone, i'm planning to play outlaw for next season and i'm first time rogue. I have a simple question but i didn't figured out where to find the answer :
Is outlaw is using 2 weapon (MH,OH) with 2.60 AS (like mace, sword,etc) or we use 1 weapon at 2.60 and 1 with 1.80 AS (dagger) in the offhand ? and is there is any particular reason ?
Thanks in advance

[vivid vessel]

give it back

[lone spear]

!oh

[vivid vessel]

haha noob

[lone spear]

fuck

im going to bed

[vivid vessel]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[vivid vessel]

here i help you a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

they are almost the same, dagger is very slightly better than a slow offhand

[errant field]

Rogues in general dont use 2H weapons

[umbral acorn]

thank you very much 🙂

[normal forge]

reroll dk while u can

[mighty pivot]

you still basically get your best aoe OH day 1 because you are not maxing your OH until later on

[glass mortar]

thats true u could use it until u get a real second weapon

since if thats the gap its probably beating herioc ohs at lower target counts

[vivid vessel]

[lethal oak]

Cudgel makes outlaw meta you heard it here

[lone spear]

i havent even used it this season i aint boutta use it next

shits cringe

[normal forge]

was this one nerfed? https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=242402/arazs-ritual-forge

[tropic zephyr]

dps so evil that the curve makes the shape of Barad-dûr, the dark tower

[tropic zephyr]

it's uncanny

[lethal oak]

Make the cudgel effect an enchant for rogues

Ezpz

[mighty pivot]

it will be a new talent come midnight

[grim spear]

blood beast wtf

[pliant wind]

what we should do is maintain tier s2 and just upgrade ilvl of everything else

[unique fulcrum]

pretty sure tier will be disabled

[mighty pivot]

no?

[unique fulcrum]

reallyy

[lethal oak]

Only double coup now

[unique fulcrum]

idk whjy io thought that

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel what macro did you use for potion

[mighty pivot]

worst case they nerf s2 set but there no reason for that tbh

[zealous plinth]

What you guys think when will we replace cudgel in m+?

[lethal oak]

Never now

[slate forge]

Never

[zealous plinth]

I mean s3

[slate forge]

You will replace cudgel with s3 cudgel

[zealous plinth]

Will there be s3 cudgel?

[lone spear]

why can u even swap offhand in m+

isnt that weird

[lethal oak]

Yes 678

[zealous plinth]

Oh nice didn’t know that

[slate forge]

Can we do the nightfall event this week for new cudgel?

[normal forge]

what to embelish besides bracer and weapon?

[sudden fulcrum]

You can only have two

[pliant wind]

for outlaw u can embellish jewerly too

[gaunt phoenix]

if you mean what to craft in general, we will likely make rings

[civic zephyr]

will we be double crafting rings?

[normal forge]

yes, i know, but since i will be replacing crafted OH for cudgel, i wonder what to embelish next

[zealous plinth]

We not gonna Craft MH first?

[normal forge]

u sure can, that is what i plan to do while i do not swap for a better MH

[mighty pivot]

if you have nightfall tokens in your bags from s2 you can just buy the new version immediately when 11.2 hits

[desert tendon]

zac what are you rerolling inc season?

[jolly geyser]

aug

[vivid vessel]

/stopattack
/stopattack
/cleartarget
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget

but

i will let you know solo

it didnt work twice

so it tilted me

[gaunt phoenix]

Ok but the buff is not called shadowmeld

[vivid vessel]

ye

its called

im not ingame rn bozo

[pliant wind]

meltdown

[exotic gale]

your char is so angry you need to stop attacking twice

[mighty pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1247091/shrouded-in-shadows

[slate forge]

Yeah I def did not play that event more than once for the mace lol

[normal forge]

@gaunt phoenix why u using that enchant for weapons? is it better than radiance? https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sHYEeLrVBwZ7jVAZfJqbuY

[glass mortar]

thats the ST enchant

[prisma vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-daily-show-pew-pew-cow-boy-happy-gif-18242258

who excited for animation

change

[glass mortar]

doesnt really matter as long as ur not mixing and matching between them

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt mean anything for this specific comparison

[frail veldt]

@glass mortar me honestly

I think it looks fun

[wintry solar]

jank as hell

like im doin the robot every 20 seconds

[glass mortar]

what

y did i get pinged

[covert kestrel]

i think cause the pistol shooting animation gets canceled by autos or whatever, the animation gets fucky

[late swallow]

20 seconds?

[covert kestrel]

oh

[wintry solar]

I made a number up somnius, go back to your gooner cave

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/rcstaff-kellerbar-kaller-bar-daddy-dad-gif-17316817

[late swallow]

it's called a gooner patio

[wintry solar]

he upgraded

[frail veldt]

They fixed this I thought

[covert kestrel]

iunno

[jolly geyser]

how long is the US maintenance?

[young prism]

Any idea about the haste requirement for season3 for kir?

[frail veldt]

The same

[glass mortar]

the same as s1

[gaunt phoenix]

19%

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[frail veldt]

And season 2

[covert kestrel]

estimate is 10-3, so 5 hrs

[young prism]

Ah no change okey thanks

[covert kestrel]

but who knows with blizzard time

7-3*

8hrs

[wintry solar]

was it last season it got delayed like seven times?

[covert kestrel]

probably

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems for fatebound you will quickly break the old 4pc for new 2pc

[covert kestrel]

i love when they get delayed and people start freaking out and i make up copypastas about taking off work and missing my daughters piano recital for patch day and get everyone mad

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster probably wait

[cinder relic]

GGs bro you just killed me, I only had time for 1 game after my 12 hour shift. I guess you're just better haha. gotta pick up my kids and get ready to go to my second job, hope you have a good stream!

[jolly geyser]

its the day after that should be day off

[mild vigil]

I didn't know you played tarkov

[covert kestrel]

yeah thats the response i try to farm out of people

or just counter rage that im mad at blizzard for delaying patch and me taking time off for it

[jolly geyser]

Or how I suddenly got "diarrea" and "fever" on the day of legion release

[wintry solar]

they need to get leaders of various religions to bless the servers every patch/expansion launch

[covert kestrel]

cat in box

[slate forge]

Who takes time off for the prepatch week

Preseason maybe

[hardy vault]

what do you mean NEW cudgel? am i gonna have to play this weird weapon for another tier?

[covert kestrel]

they updated the nightfall weapons to adventurer track for the new season

[wintry solar]

technically its the same

[hardy vault]

oh interesting

[wintry solar]

only addventure track though

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems the cudgel is technically worth it for megafuck pulls but it's not as strong as last season, perhaps not worth the hassle

[hardy vault]

i mean you just stand around afk for 10mins no?

[gaunt phoenix]

the hassle of weapon swapping inside the key

[hardy vault]

ah thats what you meant

[buoyant cosmos]

It's the gear swapping hassle

[pearl niche]

Is the new killing spree in todays patch?

[hardy vault]

ye

[pearl niche]

Ty!

[daring oxide]

i just never swap hehe

[vivid vessel]

Faq updated on time holy shomke what a great day

[daring oxide]

too lazy

[vivid vessel]

It's not about lazy

I think even in big packs you start high but you still end up doing the majority of the pack under 8t

[proven ocean]

too lazy

[vivid vessel]

And you can't swap for free during ks anymore

Like if I look at first pack ara

[lethal oak]

You will do it and enjoy it

[vivid vessel]

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the pack is under 8 t

In term of combat time

Obv that's a bit of an extreme pack

But I'm sure in general it's not that far from reality to assume you spend more time under than above maybe

[jolly geyser]

what dungeon got biggest pull in s3?

[vivid vessel]

Halls I think

Or priory

[jolly geyser]

forgot halls was in

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you like that double mini boss route in priory?

[lethal oak]

Packs should be 5 targets maximum

[vivid vessel]

Well that's the route we use

Also I think we will try to do it again in s3

[buoyant cosmos]

Oh, got it. Didn't know if it was new for this season

[vivid vessel]

It's way stronger

Than normal route

For our comp

Imo

[buoyant cosmos]

I liked the look of it

Are you doing phys?

[vivid vessel]

No it's form s2

We did it all of s2

Ye

Well outlaw is barely playable in phys comps

[buoyant cosmos]

Nice

[vivid vessel]

You aren't getting out of phys comps

[mental harness]

!fuu

[buoyant cosmos]

Too bad that 8% monk buff didn't stay

[vivid vessel]

Would be worse in the long run

[buoyant cosmos]

Because of scaling issues or something else

[tough salmon]

Mystic touch is kinda useless though...

[winged raft]

m0 available tomorrow?

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah

Not Taz tho iirc

[tough salmon]

Monk doesnt even get good value from their own debuff

[winged raft]

thanks

[vivid vessel]

Because when they end up tuning they won't let melee 3% higher

You will end up at the same spot as before

Except now you need ninj even. More

[daring oxide]

Does anyone on NA know that if you use the Delver's Bounty Map before the reset, will the buff linger?

[vivid vessel]

Trying to exploit already vurai

I see you

[daring oxide]

wtf

no

just curious

[jolly geyser]

try

[daring oxide]

well im not NA

im EU

but wondering if any NA did already

[jolly geyser]

for tomorrow I mean

[daring oxide]

well thing is i already have a delvers bounty buff active

i just haven't had time to do a delve this week

[jolly geyser]

but im pretty sure it goes away

[glass yew]

https://tenor.com/view/coin-flip-gif-13788890142734875195

[daring oxide]

hmm

[winged raft]

it does linger

[daring oxide]

i guess i find out tomorrow

[daring oxide]

ok huge tech?

[winged raft]

but nopt after patch

[daring oxide]

huh

i mean i know it lingers

cos ive had this same bounty buff for like 10 weeks

but was wondering when 11.2 goes live does my S2 bounty buff go away?

[jolly geyser]

undercoins etc get reset

[daring oxide]

ya but this is a buff

[jolly geyser]

so eeh

[daring oxide]

ya know blizzard always let these things slip through the cracks

considering the state of outlaw

[jolly geyser]

true

[white marten]

Wonder how broken this launch is gonna be 🤔 but im know many lessons were learned from 11.1.5 and .7. I trust in blizz

[daring oxide]

im expecting it to be giga broken lol

double coup bug is coming back for sure

[cloud plinth]

They've had 20 years to 'learn lessons' and every patch is still a nightmare.

[daring oxide]

and then we have triple coup with the new tier

[vivid vessel]

I'm testing bf bug in login

I don't trust these mfs

[daring oxide]

LOL

wouldn't we already know from NA?

[vivid vessel]

No

[buoyant cosmos]

Makes sense

[cloud plinth]

NA is still down for another 6 hours at least

[royal ermine]

NA isn't scheduled to come up for another 6 hours

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix need ya to bug test when NA live

[gaunt phoenix]

test what

[daring oxide]

BF bug

[white marten]

Outlaw gonna go live with a shadow buff . Wait n see

[daring oxide]

hitting dead stuff

[lofty pike]

Why is na down for so Long?

[white marten]

Good morning.

[daring oxide]

bring back double coup bug

[slate forge]

To fix all the bugs for eu

[daring oxide]

so we have triple coup with tier

[buoyant cosmos]

Unfortunately They've been making the game even more spaghetti for 20 years too

[white marten]

We already have that jn the tier set

Triple coup bis

[daring oxide]

ye but with tier

we get triple coup

[buoyant cosmos]

We bleed so EU may live

[daring oxide]

good

[jolly geyser]

strong duct tape

[lofty pike]

Thanks for your Service!🫡

[dawn talon]

quadruple coup

[buoyant cosmos]

Only the best overworked coders and Adderall

[daring oxide]

and probably claude code now xd

[white marten]

Full claude

Too expensive its base chatgpt

Or copilot

[daring oxide]

deepseek

[buoyant cosmos]

Maybe we can also blame Claude for rigging our armor so poorly

[daring oxide]

blizzard deep in netease now

[buoyant cosmos]

"streamlining our work flow"

[buoyant cosmos]

Biiiiig social credit

[jolly geyser]

as john blizzard intended

[gaunt phoenix]

faq should be good

[warped mantle]

nuh uh

[buoyant cosmos]

It's glorious. Brings a tear to my eye

[jolly geyser]

ty solo

[midnight olive]

Boys, hows weapons for outlaw next season, when do you replace Capo/iron thumb

[jolly geyser]

the simussy

[cloud plinth]

When sim tells you it's better

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah at some point the ilvl is better, just have to ask raidbots

mainhand for sure item level beats everything

[rapid spoke]

Oh no, we'll playing fucking kir again

[gaunt phoenix]

there are no special weapons this tier, it's just normal weapons

[midnight olive]

yes but, should i care about Capo mythic if i ever play outlaw on prog or is heroic raid or m+ 10 weapons just better

il go through sims i just thought we have some kind of clue here

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks like heroic offhand will beat 684 capo

[quaint mauve]

i don’t wanna cudgel

i don’t wanna

i don’t

[warped mantle]

wb heroic capo @gaunt phoenix

do I just use a normal offhand

swapping cudgel at 8t is pretty cirnge

for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks like champion track offhand will beat 671 capo

cudgel i aint worried about

[keen belfry]

i think im just gonna not cudgel

maybe on huge huge pulls

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-not-worried-about-it-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i'm-not-concerned-i'm-not-bothered-gif-14529380260116163435

[keen belfry]

like first pull workshop etc

[real yew]

Hold :vanish: Vanish if Killing Spree's cooldown is under 20s or so, so you can use KS first to not waste cooldown reduction during stealth.

this rule does not apply with fatebound? Meaning I should vanish even if KS is almost out of the cd?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea fatebound doesnt really care

it doesnt get unseen blades from ks

[real yew]

Got it. Thanks for the guide, Solo!

[keen belfry]

wait solo king

surely 20s is too low?

maybe not?

[gaunt phoenix]

seems fine

[keen belfry]

interesting

[gaunt phoenix]

30s is also the same

wait

this emote is better

[keen belfry]

was there any sim diff at all

like

20 30 40

40 seems too big

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt look at 40

[keen belfry]

just seems like ANY ks cd waste is quite bad

but that sjust vibes

could be wrong

[glass mortar]

simply dont waste ur kspree cdr then?

[hybrid crown]

If it's guaranteed to be 100% uptime no matter what you do you would want to save it as basically a freebie ace proc right

Idk what uptime is looking like though

[glass mortar]

you should be able to feel out easily the exact amount of cdr you will get if u push that vanish and in real time decide if you will overcap on kspree cdr at ur player level awang

stop asking solo to solve the game for you and figure it out

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[glass mortar]

👏 👋 🫡

[keen belfry]

why is weran cooking me this early

my bad..

[gaunt phoenix]

👍 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[keen belfry]

this raid sseems like banger vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

dragonflight boss?

[keen belfry]

i said that about LOU

but LOU was way too trash dump vibes

casino was cool

[daring oxide]

dimmy is indeed a tindy boss

[jolly geyser]

does dimmy have mount drop?

[daring oxide]

yes

a really cool cosmic draggo

[gaunt phoenix]

is it cool

[daring oxide]

ya

[jolly geyser]

on non mythic?

[daring oxide]

one of the best mounts imo

no not for scrubs

mythic only

just kidding

yes its locked behind mythic 🙁

[jolly geyser]

no other mounts in raid?

[daring oxide]

there are some

but a bit more generic?

[covert kestrel]

The aotc one is like the mythic one but shittier

[keen belfry]

i will say ive gotten the fyrakk mount and LOU mount and those are BANGERS

[gaunt phoenix]

its undermine not LOU

LOU is strange

[glass mortar]

what the fuk is LOU

[daring oxide]

Liberation of Undermine

[glass mortar]

no

its not.

[daring oxide]

yes

[keen belfry]

solo be like: lets type 10 letters instead of 3

[daring oxide]

yes?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[glass mortar]

dont enable awangs bad behavior

[daring oxide]

Liberation Of Undermine

LOU

[keen belfry]

solos fav raid is ammidradailisl the dreams hope

[daring oxide]

@keen belfry i got ur back

[keen belfry]

i prefer amidrassil

ty vai

get him

[sudden fulcrum]

Liberation of Awang

[daring oxide]

i prefer boonsbasamdi

[near rock]

yes sir, it looks broken for the first few weeks of prog

100% locked in

[daring oxide]

Brilliant brother me too

locked in too

[covert kestrel]

Last of Us

[near rock]

hoping we don't catch a nerf after some monster performances on a few bosses inflating the stats

u never know

[daring oxide]

ya

thats the only thing

blizzard just needs to turn a blind eye

knowing we are naturally nerfed later

by ilvl 🙂

at full bis!

[near rock]

yeah we don't scale as hard

[quaint mauve]

i need this patch to drop already

[near rock]

so if we get hit with a small nerf it'll feel extra bad

[quaint mauve]

i just lost 15k on blackjack

[daring oxide]

ya it'll feel really bad

so they'll have to do something that won't affect the scaling issue

but chances are

they'll just plan aura buffs for when ilvl statistics tell them its time

i guess

and just bump us up slowly as weeks go by

and fix issues

like poor ST etc

[vivid vessel]

It's gonna be so funny when we will get another bf nerf when it should get buffed based on ptr numbers

[daring oxide]

and target cap

[vivid vessel]

Only knowers know

[glass mortar]

me when i nerf a spec based on its heriocs gear so i can buff it later in mythic gear

they wont do it again

they cant

they arent that stupid

[vivid vessel]

Pc nerfed to 3%

[daring oxide]

watch it happen

again

[copper owl]

pc?

[vivid vessel]

Personal computer

[copper owl]

-.-

[glass mortar]

pest control

[jolly geyser]

bobsalami

[vivid vessel]

It's precise cut btw

[daring oxide]

||I have a feeling Locus Walker is Dimensius lol, due to a potential subtitle fail in the trailer:||

[vivid vessel]

Idk what this means I'm ngl

[jolly geyser]

zac hit mob in dungeon

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

Locus Walker is the guy we team up with right

to help him stop manaforge

[vivid vessel]

Who

[daring oxide]

but ultimately

[jolly geyser]

ah better quality

[glass mortar]

could that not just be him commenting on the boss

[daring oxide]

we just lead him to the dark heart and he uses it to turn into Dimmy

dunno

[jolly geyser]

teached alleria windrunner void shit

[daring oxide]

i alwaays think theres gonna be twists ye

[glass mortar]

dont think u can turn into dimmy

[daring oxide]

what if locus walker is dimmy

[glass mortar]

but he could be a servant sacrificing his essence

[daring oxide]

without power

in disguise

[vivid vessel]

What did he teach me

Idk who is alleria

[jolly geyser]

alleria is sylvanas sister,and windrunners like to fuck human males

[glass mortar]

well the lore has led us to believe thats not how it works

[vivid vessel]

Is this guy relevant to raider io

[daring oxide]

and dimmy was using his locus walker guise to lead alleria to help him get dark heart

[glass mortar]

dimmy cant exist in our universe without being brought in and fed power

[daring oxide]

lets make a bet weran

[glass mortar]

sure

[daring oxide]

if locus walker is indeed dimmy

[vivid vessel]

Wtf is this nerd discussion

[daring oxide]

i will

hmm

[vivid vessel]

Low io shit fr

[glass mortar]

u owe me 2 kspree reworks

[daring oxide]

ok

[glass mortar]

at at least 70% assurity

if ur wrong

[jolly geyser]

its tww story zac

[latent oak]

more importantly

[daring oxide]

i will craft two KS reworks

in great detail

[latent oak]

there was dragonriding clip

[daring oxide]

and if I'm wrong

wait

if im right

[jolly geyser]

you gonna see locust walker prolly tomorrow getting cloak zac

[vivid vessel]

I'm not getting cloak cba

It's for noobs

I don't need it

[daring oxide]

you also owe me two essays on a full Outlaw Rework in midnight with two completely different routes

[glass mortar]

the pact is sealed

[daring oxide]

ok

screenshotted

and saved

[white marten]

You boys ready for the outlaw launch buff ?

[daring oxide]

yes im ready for my 20% buff

[white marten]

No

[warped mantle]

broken

[jolly geyser]

its impressive how you dont get bored with m+ after a few months zac,I could never

[white marten]

5.8% aura

[lofty pike]

I hope one of the Essays is good 🙂

[white marten]

ChatGPT essay

[shrewd nymph]

!wa

[daring oxide]

its weran, its gonna be meaty for sure

oh yeah @frail bronze chatgpt is banned

it must come from our hearts and souls

opps

@glass mortar

[wintry solar]

Thank god

Is that official?

[daring oxide]

whats official?

[wintry solar]

Yo mama

[daring oxide]

20% no?

[glass mortar]

.....

[white marten]

Feet

[lofty pike]

Where are the dataminers with our Hidden buff? I'm waiting

But our best Bet will be:
Bf htting dead Targets again, coup Set Bonus won't Work cause of Last Bug fix, vanish using 2 charges instead of one and RTB can't Roll more than 3

[white marten]

5.8% aura bro

Or 20% its 50/50

[finite arch]

doa

[white marten]

Mainly coming from BF bug

Bug not buff lol

[slate forge]

What are the rules for nelf pot vanish charges / ks cd?

[quaint mauve]

isn’t outlaw in a fine spot rn

idk

[white marten]

Assa is in a fine spot

[jolly geyser]

Ana in WoW again

[quaint mauve]

only thing i dislike is trickster being weird

[lofty pike]

Yeah, best dps in m+ when you got a grp full of healers

[white marten]

Trickster is ez

[wintry solar]

It's all easy

Its all the same

[white marten]

True

[quaint mauve]

i did good dmg in ptr

just feels like middle of the pack

[tawny dagger]

!fuu

[quaint mauve]

which is fine

[wintry solar]

1fth is the only build that feels like a different build

[white marten]

These mages saying arcane is hard but they literally have a whole WA that tells them when to barrage. Lel

[glass mortar]

middle of the pack with poor prio damage and bad st damage in dungeons is pretty shit honestly

means ur just meh at dungeons

[jolly geyser]

is it like warr execute?

[white marten]

Mid dmg, no raid buff, no utility, no CC, no prio, no ST lool

[quaint mauve]

my ST is good… (i’ve been playing fb)

[glass mortar]

so even worse prio damage and aoe

[quaint mauve]

yup

[glass mortar]

huge

[quaint mauve]

but it feels nice

so

rest of my team can make up for my troll hero talents

[white marten]

…target capped, gotta build team around it and gotta pull around a bottom dmg spec. Pass

[jolly geyser]

dw buffs come 20.8

metzen told me

[gaunt phoenix]

a bit late, but this is the way

[jolly geyser]

outlaw lad

[latent oak]

my community figure

[near rock]

my goat

[daring oxide]

goat

[desert tendon]

Finally a green outlaw name that doesnt play ret

[daring oxide]

you mean a green outlaw name that actually plays outlaw?!

[desert tendon]

actualllyyyy

[quaint mauve]

how come zac isn’t green

[latent oak]

xd

once upon a time

[glass mortar]

realz nerfed his green name by 100% in prepatch

same notes that had acro removal

u had to be there to read them

[daring oxide]

deserves its own youtube video

to document the historic event

Acro Meltdown of Green Zac and how it led to his downfall

[vapid sundial]

I dont necesarrily disagree with green zac

is the thing

[latent oak]

it was how he conveyed his opinion i believe

not the most civil towards the devs

[glass mortar]

i think most of us that where here for that event didnt disagree with him

it was mostly how he communicated

yea

[daring oxide]

Solo how did you see this btw?

[civic zephyr]

its the raider io recap thing on thier website

[gaunt phoenix]

https://raider.io/the-war-within-season-2-recap

[quaint mauve]

i’m missing out on the lore

[quaint mauve]

everyone hates when a man speaks his mind

[vapid sundial]

zac got very angry

like the only time ive seen him mad here

[glass mortar]

he was crashing out hard

ok zac gets mad like 3 times a week in here at minimum

but yea he was crashin out hard

[vapid sundial]

Thats not mad

thats just being french

[quaint mauve]

he’s a little grumpy sometimes but

he’s the reason i play outlaw so i forgive him

[jolly geyser]

removing acro made sigh hard

[daring oxide]

will there be another4

[frail veldt]

Justified

Died a hero

[pliant wind]

its a meme that the s3 tier set is a bug from s2

[daring oxide]

turbo boost?

[pliant wind]

its a real meme

[glass mortar]

i think so

since theres no s4 this expac

[frail veldt]

I mean it's a better implementation of the bug

[glass mortar]

something to give u a fake treadmill to grind in like 4 months

[pliant wind]

yeah but uk

[glass mortar]

as they work on midnight

[frail veldt]

The bug had to be used within 1 second

[near rock]

being green isn't a privilege here, its a curse

[jolly geyser]

is the perma rune raid rep or outside? forgor

[daring oxide]

outside

[jolly geyser]

zac wont get it

couldnt help myself

[vapid sundial]

Wym

Zac is homeless

Plays from McDonald's wifi

[glass mortar]

at least he has his microwave to keep him warm

him and his pastas

🥰

[lethal oak]

What's up fellow unholy rerollers?

[jolly geyser]

cba to reroll class, I just play the game

[glass mortar]

like rerolling to or from unholy

[wintry solar]

Get off my spec

Unholy is mine

I've got seniority

[covert kestrel]

disgusting

at least just reroll sub

[quaint mauve]

fr

[wintry solar]

That's for low T men and girls

[zinc briar]

so we craft dagger and start playing assa/sub

[lethal oak]

If Zac plays sub I will

[zinc briar]

zac is homeless

[glass mortar]

he already said hes prob gunna play sub on prog

[jolly geyser]

well raid got dmg amps so

[glass mortar]

sub or sin, whatever is best

[zinc briar]

he is using mc donals wifi

wont play that good

[glass mortar]

outlaw isnt a spec made for raid so he will play whatevers best and 1 trick outlaw in keys

cause he doesnt respect raid

[quaint mauve]

he made it very clear he wasn’t gonna prog on outlaw

bc like

why would u

[glass mortar]

also weapon crafting kinda fuks u

[wintry solar]

Because outlaw

Is bis

[glass mortar]

difficult to be optimal first few weeks of raiding and play outlaw and either dagger spec due to crafts

[wintry solar]

Regardless of its output

[zinc briar]

but sub is better than assa for raid?

[daring oxide]

i forgot how to get the wax poison again

[glass mortar]

pickpocket goblins in undermine or kobolds everywhere

[covert kestrel]

well assa in raid is literally the most

[rapid spoke]

pickpocket then kill for minmax

[daring oxide]

okies will do

ty

[rapid spoke]

isn't sharpening/weight stones better tho, or it's just for having cheap option

[lethal oak]

Real Chads only prog as outlaw

[jolly geyser]

I only do HC raid and m+ for 3k mount and gear ig,im chillin

maybe m raid if needed. Can play other games

[quaint mauve]

i don’t even play rogue , i’m progging as arcane mage

i’m in here just to larp as an outlaw player

[wintry solar]

11.2 is just legion remix waiting room.

[late swallow]

this but unironically

remix was hella fun

[wintry solar]

Agreed

[tropic zephyr]

fun = farm

[daring oxide]

another paid actor with sub colors

[tropic zephyr]

hell no

[jolly geyser]

I didnt play mop remix,might do legion

[late swallow]

mop remix was a blast

[wintry solar]

Yeah you missed out tbu

Tbh

[quaint mauve]

i’m waiting for remix so i can finally level my last 4 classes

[jolly geyser]

meh

[quaint mauve]

these guys have been neglected

[late swallow]

if you're into collecting at all

[jolly geyser]

I played alot mop already 13y ago

[late swallow]

remix was goated for collectors

[wintry solar]

Even without the collecting, the gameplay was great.

[jolly geyser]

I got all mop mounts,except SoO

[wintry solar]

Leveling felt great

[tropic zephyr]

mop remix was a shitfest, long ass grind that required daily farming like a second job

i can't understand liking this

[late swallow]

i went from 0 rare mop mounts to all of them

[lethal oak]

MoP had the best rogue spec though, combat

[tropic zephyr]

i understand liking the rewards

but the gameplay???

farmfest

[jolly geyser]

everybody played ass in mop anyway

[wintry solar]

Super OP = fun

[jolly geyser]

dispatch execute

[wintry solar]

Simple as

[late swallow]

not enjoying 100% secondary stats?

[tropic zephyr]

no

[late swallow]

[grave carbon]

leveling chars with a lvl 10 bear alt was fun

[tropic zephyr]

"oh yeah let's login to do 3 difficulties of liberation of orgrimmar and 5 other raids that we just roll through"

like

that is worse than playing league no cap

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

[jolly geyser]

am I missing any legion mounts even

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-baby-speech-bubble-cat-speech-baby-cat-gif-4142671478724681183

[jolly geyser]

uuh

[wintry solar]

I ain't gonna sit here and pretend season 3 outlaw with heroic leap wasn't fun

[covert kestrel]

no the real chads just leveled alts to max and farmed the tmogs and mounts that way. Thats why I now have 23 level 70 alts

[jolly geyser]

[late swallow]

imagine not doing the raid a few times to get a guaranteed mannoroth's shoulder mog

[wintry solar]

Fr

[tropic zephyr]

[wintry solar]

It's fawming :<

[late swallow]

that I'll never use btw because I only play rogue

[wintry solar]

Same. They look ass on undead.

[jolly geyser]

gonna play in this patch or?

[glass mortar]

me when i overengage with the side activity blizzard made to give players a fun way to level alts and get some MoP mogs and mounts

"this is SHIT"

[late swallow]

i was thinking about it, but honestly probably not

[glass mortar]

man i had such a blast in MoP remix and i never did a single daily

[late swallow]

we're entering prime goated biking weather rn

[glass mortar]

got 3 alts to max level in record time was so fun

[late swallow]

maybe in the winter idk we'll see

[tropic zephyr]

i'm a fellowship shill, my ideal wow gameplay is I login and I don't do anything except queue up for M+

any farm makes me rq

[wintry solar]

It's a good season to try a new spec.

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/come-back-sad-gif-12889089

[jolly geyser]

we had 30C 20 days straight in finland(daytime)

also humid

its over now

[late swallow]

it'll be like 23-26C with low humidity here all week

legit perfect

BIG miles coming up

[frail veldt]

same

I like when I can get all the rewards/currency I need from playing the fun part of the game

[jolly geyser]

I was wondering where belt upgrades were, but ig 701 is max

[covert kestrel]

we ditch at like 710

[jolly geyser]

aight

oh I should log in before new ks and do some old ks for good measure

[hybrid crown]

Be sure to run dawnbreaker so you get the full picture of what's going away

[grim spear]

just one last dance

poetic

[jolly geyser]

dance with the devil in the pale moonlight

[glossy pewter]

full no HO season???

my homies BEEN saying fuck HO

[gaunt phoenix]

ho is fucked !

[glossy pewter]

good kill it with a gun

[jolly geyser]

before they buff ambush in 2 weeks

[glossy pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[buoyant cosmos]

Making sure to fall through the ship while using it too, right?

[hybrid crown]

Of course

Press it right after ADR for full effect

[buoyant cosmos]

What if they changed KS just because they couldn't fix the ship.

[lethal oak]

New rework will be ADR baked in with no other changes

[glossy pewter]

do we have any desire for a dagger in the offhand for damage or is it just ilvl vs all? I know it used to make a difference for energy gen right?

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt affect energy, but it is slightly more instant poisons

[grim spear]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[gaunt phoenix]

but it's so minimal

[jolly geyser]

also mog looks bad with dagger

[gaunt phoenix]

so use 2 swords for mog