#outlaw

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wintry solar
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is fuckin

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uhuh

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and how bad it feels

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when adr drops

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vanish for a little dmg boost is fine

torpid fiber
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2 diff issues for 2 diff player groups imo

wintry solar
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nah

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you can kill things in the open world without stealth if you have adr going

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or vanish rather

random obsidian
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and I get that we get 2 charges now but I'd argue most people who want stealth less potent aren't playing well enough to just keep 1 charge defensively, myself included

wintry solar
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wowdb has been broken for a while

torpid fiber
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Real talk the easy way you keep a charge defensively is just never spend the second charge

tropic zephyr
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ngl this would feel way more streamlined

wintry solar
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Ion himself will make changes to outlaw

torpid fiber
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This is kinda cooking

tropic zephyr
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maybe in rogue rework for 13.0

wintry solar
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im gonna believe rogue will get a rework in midnight

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at some point

torpid fiber
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I'm scared of a rework tbh

tropic zephyr
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I don't think we're seeing anything big concerning rogue for a time

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idk

fluid meadow
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dmg boost by energy when

torpid fiber
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we'd just macro cb in

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CB is legit button bloat

short heath
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"rework" on rogue happened in df season 3 i seriously doubt they gonna do it again

agile orchid
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we are not mages to get a rework every season

wintry solar
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wasnt even a rework

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was a revamp

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which is what I really meant

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we need new words

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anytime more than 3 talent changes happen, people go straight to calling it a rework

short heath
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i think they called it rework back then

wintry solar
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they didnt

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one sec lemme find it

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after I win this trial of style

mighty pivot
wintry solar
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I revamped

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it

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I took what existed and made it better

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via altering a few things

mighty pivot
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I doubt you could make anything better

simple dagger
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Brew gets a pair of new talents every year that nobody takes and they call it a rework every time.

wintry solar
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youre so mean to me

wintry solar
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the ret rework, actual rework, opened the floodgates

simple dagger
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Yeah I guess that was kinda the first wasn’t it. Cause shadow was hardly a rework

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I don’t really mind vanish personally. I don’t need every single spell for my pirate/bandit spec to be strictly pirate themed.

short heath
simple dagger
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The only issue is that it drops content for solo players

wintry solar
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I dont mind it either, but if I could go without it I would

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know what I mean

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ret rework set the bar they havent met yet

simple dagger
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I guess I just worry that changing it presents too many unknowns for what could potentially really neuter the crackshot window

simple dagger
short heath
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yeah when i heard about rogue getting changes i though we would become great like pala

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but i guess i was horibly wrong

wintry solar
wintry solar
short heath
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maybe i should go ret actually now that i think about it

wintry solar
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look what I found

simple dagger
wintry solar
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peak

mighty pivot
simple dagger
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If we’re talking pirate themed spec, you could always just tie crackshot to blind and change blind to match the CD timings and be affected by dreadblade. Make outlaw pretty good for m+ too

wintry solar
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he's having more fun than us

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we're over here bitching and moaning, meanwhile this goes goes "teehee dispatch :3"

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I envy him

young prism
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
spare dome
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If you are fans of Outlaw, name his 5 songs

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i bet you cant

wintry solar
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UH UH UH

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I cant

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fake fan

mighty pivot
spare dome
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its getting a remix

wintry solar
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I like "Illusion of Choice"

spare dome
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KS hitting randomly for 25% of their hp

mighty pivot
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it will always be a classic though

spare dome
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i like "No damage feat. Cap"

wintry solar
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found another

image.png
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different rogue, I made sure

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at least this one is a coherent build kinda

mighty pivot
spare dome
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dont forget "I got 99 parse but the key aint timed"

mighty pivot
wintry solar
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you dumb bitch

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thats not me!

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this is my outlaw build

mighty pivot
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outlaw build because it should be illegal to play that disgusting spec

wintry solar
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fr

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its not good until its EXACTLY how I want it to be

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I will cry until it is

spare dome
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nah you guys are dooming too much

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we are gonna get buffed 1st week

wintry solar
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no matter how many cooked takes I dish out

spare dome
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as much as i like hating outlaw

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its always being sandbagged more than it should

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most of the time unironically you would see outlaw played in progress if you could use daggers

vivid vessel
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we are not getting buffed because we will look good in raid lol

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im gonna be waiting for my week 6 buff to start playing keys i ugess

short heath
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we look what in raid?

wintry solar
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good

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and we do

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Doom correctly

mighty pivot
daring oxide
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you guys do the good dooming work keep it up

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@keen belfry i need a new awang gif

vivid vessel
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vai

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you want a tldr of ptr

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i give you a tldr of ptr in 4 images

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ok

daring oxide
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ok ill take that

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also i watched you play so much in streams btw

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throughout PTR

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while i was working late nights

vivid vessel
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here you go

daring oxide
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is that because of funnel + singular focus?

vivid vessel
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ye

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Niches in wow are always so well balanced

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Funnel specs get to do whatever they want

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Do big AOE and shit

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If you have low target cleave tho

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You get nuked gg

daring oxide
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ok yeah

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we are fucked at higher ilvl then

vivid vessel
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:)

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And let me tell you this vurai

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Sin could get buffed

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And outlaw nerfed

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And I wouldn't be surprised

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Because it was the same in s1 and s2

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And we are in a similar situation but worse imo

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Aka our low target cleave AOE will look bonkers on the 2 cleave bosses in raid

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And sin will do 0 st in raid

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So

agile orchid
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fatebound looked very promising

daring oxide
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well surely they might nerf sin aoe?

vivid vessel
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eh fatbeound is kinda fake idk

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it loses so much st everytume there is more targets

vivid vessel
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I mean dude

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Do you not remember S2 and s1

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When sin was getting chain buffed every week

agile orchid
vivid vessel
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While being the best rogue spec

vivid vessel
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I know

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Cause I was topping these bosses by so much

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And then we got litteraly 20% aura buff

agile orchid
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so you nerfed outlaw

fair oak
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Tomelvis assasin jail...

agile orchid
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good job zac

vivid vessel
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I didn't

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It's just outlaw was

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Nuts

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On these bosses

daring oxide
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just curious to see

vivid vessel
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While doing litteral 0 in m+

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Let me see

daring oxide
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can send via dms if u want

agile orchid
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couldn't they just nerf precise cuts Sadeg

daring oxide
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well

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if they nerf PC

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it becomes dead talent again

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just needs a proper rework

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of the tree

agile orchid
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instead we become a dead spec

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xd

daring oxide
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or something else

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well

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no

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we aren't dead

lethal oak
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10% KS buff and call it a day

vivid vessel
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keep in mind since then outlaw got almost 20% aura buff

agile orchid
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is outlaw good at anything at this point

desert tendon
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i ll keep in mind that zac is bad

agile orchid
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bad single target, bad aoe despite being hard capped

lethal oak
daring oxide
daring oxide
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most fun spec

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u dirty sub rogue

agile orchid
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good thing unholy does everything better while being uncapped garf_sit

agile orchid
lethal oak
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Don't forget brother frost

daring oxide
red zinc
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
red zinc
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Ye

agile orchid
red zinc
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The problematic scaling is gone, shits just turbo strong

vivid vessel
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Ah ok in that sense

red zinc
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its not going to do double damage on massive pulls compared to every other spec in the game anymore

vivid vessel
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Ye I noticed

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Ye I know

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It just double your damage every pack instead

red zinc
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double *outlaws damage

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Otlw 🤮

agile orchid
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put an unholy and an outlaw in a 5 target pack

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and I bet the unholy wins

vivid vessel
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Lol

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I think

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You don't know

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Unholy wins out of cd

red zinc
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put an outlaw and a class dev in a locked room

vivid vessel
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But not only win

red zinc
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I bet only one person makes it out

vivid vessel
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It destroys outlaw

tender breach
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so for unseen blade duration since sinister strike has prio we have to bind a different key due to sinister strike turning into ambush sometimes

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right?

agile orchid
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you won't play HO next season

vivid vessel
vivid vessel
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Ho isn't more behind

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Than all the seasons before

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When it had literally 90% playrate

agile orchid
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I thought it's going to be like 8% behind

vivid vessel
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5% in st 10 in AOE like littéraly every season

random obsidian
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What made PC OP in TWW? I remember in DF it wasnt considered op

vivid vessel
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Buffs nerfs

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They either make it good enough so it'd bonkers

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Or it's too bad to take

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The nose itself is Always way too good on lower target count

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Issue is without PC our AOE in m+ is shit

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But with pc our AOE in raid is too strong

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So

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Gj

mighty pivot
desert tendon
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Gj

random obsidian
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Oh ok ty I thought it didnt get changes but maybe it was 3% instead of 5% per missing target

lone spear
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they upped it to 5% for 11.1

vivid vessel
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And like

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Pc is just too strong in raid

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So it's never possible to balance idk

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Just the niche of low target cleave is way stronger in raid than m+

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So if you are a spec that only does low target

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How tf you tune m+ vs raid

agile orchid
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why can't they just leave outlaw excel in cleave

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it's not like it's doing too hot in any other area

lone spear
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one could say the same for most specs

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its just their balance goals, arbitrary as they are

vivid vessel
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No because most spec just do normal aoe

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So it's easier to balance

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Like do you see udk destroy raid AOE?

agile orchid
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but having boomies, spriests and afflocks excel in split cleave is okay

lone spear
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i feel like more and more specs are just flurry specs, tho tbf those are the ones getting the most changes to that damage profile

vivid vessel
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Ye I guess idk

lone spear
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see MM hunter and SPriest

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maybe this design is just flawed, idk

vivid vessel
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None has pc tho

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You guys realize we cleave at 100%

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On 2/3 targets

lone spear
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yea thats what im saying, maybe PC is just flawed

keen belfry
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Looks good!

agile orchid
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frost dk used to be the same

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when dnd was cleaving obliterates

vivid vessel
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But it's also the only thing that saves outlaw target cap in m+

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But also then it's too strong in raid

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So whatever idk

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Just let outlaw be shit Perma I guess

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Good tuning

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Maybe uncap it so we stop this nonsense

lone spear
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would PC work with an uncapped blade flurry?

vivid vessel
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First off it would be soft capped

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Secondly idk why you wouldn't just have pc stops at 8 or smth

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Or just remove pc entirely

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Fuck pc idk

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If outlaw AOE is going to get nerfed every tier cuase of pc

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I would rather it's not a thing

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Pc is just inherently way stronger in raid than m+

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And there is now way to balance that for them so idk

agile orchid
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it looks to me like an ego thing, they will do anything but uncap bladeflurry

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same thing with afflock and vile taint or whatever the ability is called

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such a simple fix but they refuse to do it

lone spear
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i mean even the "uncapped" specs have capped abilities

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i admit vile taint one is annoying

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because it basically just makes u then manually apply agony to the rest

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its just that because we have nothing else but blade flurry that is AoE, its a bit weird

agile orchid
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dk raid buff is another case of developer ego

lone spear
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like its either we're fully uncapped (or soft capped), or fully capped

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i think killing spree was an opportunity to change that

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but alas

vivid vessel
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What does it change

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It's just one spell to tune instead of like 10

mighty pivot
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we have BR too, it's just bad

vivid vessel
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We could have gotten ks as an AOE spell

lone spear
# vivid vessel Is it

because they cant be like "ok blade flurry capped, but KS uncapped so you have an option when big pulls happen"

vivid vessel
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Like it was in sl

lone spear
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everything (except blade rush funnily enough) is capped by blade flurry cap

agile orchid
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I was hoping they would make KS cleave uncapped

vivid vessel
agile orchid
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or at least make it do 100% damage

vivid vessel
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I think they just run out of time to make it an actual spell

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And I'm like 100% certain of that actually

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So ye

mighty pivot
lone spear
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it wasnt originally, remember it like shot everthing around u? they coulda just had that animation but made it actually do uncapped AoE

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but i think they didnt want to go through tuning that whole new thing

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slap it on BF and call it a day

agile orchid
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oh well guess we'll have to wait until 11.2.5

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unless class design is completely ignored again for useless casual content

lone spear
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i think its moreso that they dont want to do that thing where they disrupt the entire game every 3 months

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by doing big sweeping changes

vale warren
lone spear
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they seem to be saving them for major patches now

lone spear
vale warren
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New DH spec every patch

vivid vessel
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If you ignore pc

slate forge
stiff hawk
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Thats the Problem

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When you start an Addon, when you are behind

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But i would have not endured more Awakened tbh

stray star
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
normal forge
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Is s3 live on NA ?

slate forge
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Maintenance is like 7 hours

vivid vessel
hasty warren
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Hi pirates

vivid vessel
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But it's quite obvious they didn't have time

glass mortar
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i mean zac u need to be fair

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at least we got a week or two of iteration on new kspree

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(they did exactly what they were planning to do night 1 when realz posted in here then buffed its damage 16 times)

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and they even fixed fatebound coin cancelling it completely

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that counts as iteration right?

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usually that kind bug would last at least 2 seasons

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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wdym

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i literally proved it

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in the next line

vivid vessel
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i cant call iteration "finishing waht we were doing"

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barely finishing may i add

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Because

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The animation is still borked

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The targeting is bugged imo

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Cause it says in front

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How come I see it fire behind me

covert kestrel
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I think he was making a joke zac

vivid vessel
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The cone isn't a real cone

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That's 100% a remnant of them trying to make it aoe

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But they failed

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Cause they

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I

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I won't say

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But you know

glass mortar
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I'm lawyering him because hes wrong about no iteration

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we got tons of iteration

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like when they made it so instead of going pure rando it only shoots randos infront of you

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massive improvements

mild vigil
glass mortar
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or remember when it was doing like 50% less damage then they buffed it by big silly numbers 2 weeks in a row

wintry solar
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Are bug fixes iterations?

glass mortar
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thats so much iteration

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(still cancel it btw)

wintry solar
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The stealth bug should be considered iteration. Was huge.

mild vigil
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I'm personally a big fan of how they asked for direct feedback

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we gave it to them

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they ignored it

inland acorn
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They can implement it next season

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And say they listen

mild vigil
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I sure can't wait for my favorite way to play the game to be dogshit again

glass mortar
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its ok we can just archive the thread and repost it whenever 12.0 feedback comes around

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since 99% of the feedback is the same

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saving us time

mild vigil
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I mean tbh huge iteration

inland acorn
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Just don't forget most important bits

mild vigil
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changing KS after years of asking for change

mossy compass
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Are there any trinkets that are looking S tier for us, or still being analyzed?

inland acorn
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🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

mild vigil
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so I think maybe we'll get the adjustments to how it works that we need in the expansion after next

mild vigil
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have fun fighting for raid trinkets

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:3

keen belfry
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I think we are the only ones who want that cosmic hunt

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So that’ll be easy

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The feather tho? Gg

mild vigil
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yeah that's what I was referring to

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that feather is going to be fought over for months

vivid vessel
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thats fine

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you just

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dont use it

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there is 10 other trinkets that are just as abd

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like this season

keen belfry
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I don’t like trinkets like the feather so I’d be ok with something else

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
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I’ll probably use netherprism and sigil if I can choose

mild vigil
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just get myth track sacbrood in your vault on week 2 of the season

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ez

glass mortar
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we r never gunna get netherprism huh

keen belfry
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I don’t like random stat proc trinkets as outlaw, especially as outlaw

glass mortar
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not even bis anymore

keen belfry
glass mortar
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and the cd andies r all gunna yoink it

vivid vessel
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im progging as sub

keen belfry
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I will be playing sub in raid so I can probably going

vivid vessel
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easy enough

keen belfry
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Yoink

glass mortar
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does sub want it

keen belfry
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Ok zac copy me

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Surely right?

mild vigil
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sub wants it

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and the feather too

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although the prism is interchangeable with some other trinkets

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depends on sims really

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I'm actually so excited for this season, the only damper is gonna be when I get to the part of the raid where outlaw is no longer playable

spark relic
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!FUU

ornate heathBOT
mild vigil
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man I wish sims reflected actual outlaw performance

unique fulcrum
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
mossy compass
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Am I reading this right that our BIS rings are double crafted? Are all the other rings just that bad?

slate forge
# glass mortar we got tons of iteration

How can the dk dev rework and continue to work on two full spec reworks in the same time we got one ability half way reworked and they can’t even bother to finish with the obviously need improvements

spark glade
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Hey, how is the pure st performance in m+ with the kir build in s3?

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
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isnt there a boe ring

gaunt phoenix
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well sure

glass mortar
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😏

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
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by the time i get to endboss im sure the crit vers boe ring will be cheap enough for me to afford (under 100k gold)

mild vigil
slate forge
glass mortar
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because dk was getting a rework this season and we werent

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idk if uve been watching but they have a team cooking certain specs every patch

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apparently the team has decided that they need to do mostly the same 3 classes nonstop this entire expac basically

spark glade
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@gaunt phoenix ah thanks for the answer

glass mortar
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seems like a bit much time spent

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but im sure theyll move on next expac

mild vigil
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yeah every major patch had essays for DK, mage, hunter, boomie

slate forge
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I would bet on more productive and active devs for those specs than blizz hiring an additional team

glass mortar
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shaman for the previous 2 seasons as well

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wdym additional team

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the spec design isnt done by single devs per spec anymore

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hasnt been like that in along time

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as far as we know the class "team" works on specs and individual devs work on minor things for specs then put the changes up to the team for them to go

mild vigil
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yeah rogue just gets the least attention b/c we're the least popular class in the game

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unless there is something REALLY wrong, generally speaking the class goes largely unchanged barring expansion level changes

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which even then can sometimes just be basically nothing

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looking at you DF into current xpac

glass mortar
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ok but rogue got almost a full rework level of changes in df

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🤔

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r we forgetting s3 happened

mild vigil
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yes I'm aware

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it's the exception

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not the rule

vivid vessel
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We managed to get our damage profile nerfed tho, so now we are going to be doing 10% less aoe for years to come gg

glass mortar
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when was the last time dk was reworked

mild vigil
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let's also not forget that they backtracked on most of the things that were good about outlaw in the prepatch

vivid vessel
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Till they wake up again

glass mortar
mossy compass
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We've gotten one rework, Paladin and Hunter have gotten several in the same time.

Blizz clearly has favorites.

mild vigil
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well for starters there is the change to adrenaline rush

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then they tried to fuck with crackshot refunds

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thankfully they walked that back

slate forge
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Also we get a rework then they refuse to listen to feedback and improve on it where other specs get reworked than improved quite a bit over time

vivid vessel
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i reember that one omE

glass mortar
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the haste thing is cringe, altho it didnt take anything away i agree. crackshot changes got reverted

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what else did we lose

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we gained double vanish over dance which was a net positive

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acro but u cant really target that at us even tho it sucked

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since every spec that had it lost it

mild vigil
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I think the haste change is the biggest crime in that department

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also ret paladin is still basically a caster, so they definitely did not remove it from every spec

glass mortar
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ret absolutely lost its acro

sudden fulcrum
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regular sized arms of the law pensivecowboy

glass mortar
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and it is noticable to them altho not as noticable as it is to us obv

keen belfry
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zac

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do we lose to noobs in s3

slate forge
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We will look good in M0s that’s why matters

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What*

vivid vessel
keen belfry
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mm

mild vigil
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our 100 parses will probably be 70s for the meta classes

keen belfry
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that was my only wish for s3 man

vivid vessel
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Especially since I have noticed that I lose with full raid buffs

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While in s1

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We weren't even looking at outlaw with raid buffs

keen belfry
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...

vivid vessel
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You only are good when you are cursed

mild vigil
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I wanted to reroll to warrior so bad

vivid vessel
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S3 we had all the stealth bugs

mild vigil
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but my raid lead wouldn't let me

vivid vessel
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And S2 we had ks

mild vigil
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even though I would gap the warriors in my team

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Q_Q

keen belfry
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losing to noobs

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not fun

vivid vessel
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well idk if outlaw can lose to noobs in low keys

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its outlaw with pc

keen belfry
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ye idc about them keys

mild vigil
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same, all I care about is raid performance

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which it's looking like outlaw will be fine until last two bosses iirc

keen belfry
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idc about raid performance ill play whatever is good in raid for rogue

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its m+

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harder keys

mild vigil
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oh I misunderstood

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damn

keen belfry
mild vigil
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so true

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listen, I think we should all just give up wow

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and play gacha games

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gamble everything

covert kestrel
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i gotta train my horse girls

mild vigil
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I play the fun action game that has the most horrific community you'll ever see

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went on the zzz subreddit once, I need bleach for my eyes

torpid fiber
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Gacha Gamers (as opposed to people who play gacha games) are really annoying

covert kestrel
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Gacha Gamers (as opposed to people who play gacha games) are really annoying

mild vigil
grim spear
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so next patch rtb will cost real money?

near rock
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raid is the only mode that matters in this game

torpid fiber
mild vigil
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*and racist

sudden fulcrum
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Speak for yourself

mild vigil
gaunt phoenix
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zzz is fun

dense bolt
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love sleeping

glass yew
glass mortar
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oh no

daring oxide
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Arknights is the best

daring oxide
glass yew
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why?

daring oxide
#

so many sub paid actors coming in outlaw channel recently to cause havoc and disruption

glass yew
#

i play outlaw

daring oxide
#

ok sub rogue

glass yew
#

i hate other specs... why u blame me?

daring oxide
gaunt phoenix
#

Let's assume good faith

daring oxide
#

sorry

#

im just messing

#

KS is in a much better spot from the start of 11.2 PTR

mild vigil
daring oxide
#

it got tuned a lot upwards to do more damage

#

and has a higher CD

glass mortar
#

zac certainly does not think we are in a good spot next season

glass yew
#

im about KIR vs HO probably

daring oxide
#

and most importantly no more teleporting

daring oxide
glass mortar
#

KiR is noticably ahead of HO next season

#

at every target count

daring oxide
#

but HO is easier to play

mild vigil
#

so either be okay with being behind a decent margin, or learn KiR

warped mantle
#

how big of a loss is 3 buff KIR

#

in AOE

daring oxide
warped mantle
#

in S3

quaint mauve
#

i’m itching like a crackhead that spent his bi-weekly paycheck

#

i want to do m0s

daring oxide
mild vigil
#

tbf I think if you're in this discord and actively seeking information, you're already on that path of trying to squeeze everything out

daring oxide
#

so those 3 are strong buffs in their own right

warped mantle
#

what about during first pull of a key

daring oxide
#

but in AOE, GM is very strong

warped mantle
#

I'd rather KIR at 3 tbh

daring oxide
#

yes

#

you can KIR at 3

#

outlaw is about feels

#

u fish or u dont

warped mantle
#

but I wanna know the % loss

#

yeye

daring oxide
#

well

mild vigil
#

it's minute

warped mantle
#

solo said it's minimal

#

but how small

daring oxide
#

GM gives a lot of dps in AOE

#

so if you have 3 good buffs but no GM

glass mortar
#

minimal is probably kiring a good 3 buff

daring oxide
#

then loss is at least like 10%+?

glass mortar
#

not just kiring at 3buffs

warped mantle
#

yeye#

glass mortar
#

and minimal probably means margins of error in sims or like 0.2%

quaint mauve
#

weran said what i was gonna say

warped mantle
#

thank u mr weran

daring oxide
#

i mean on the pull

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pull by pull basis

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GM is giga

mild vigil
#

I mean if you really think about it outlaw rogue is just a gacha class

#

so just have fun

#

🙂

daring oxide
#

ofc

warped mantle
#

i love my feelycraft

#

yippieee

daring oxide
#

ya

#

outlaws all about feels m8

warped mantle
#

if GM + 2 other buff KIR is only a 0.2% dps loss

#

I'm sending ngl

daring oxide
#

well

warped mantle
#

on aoe

glass yew
#

what KIR build option u recommend? from faq channel?

warped mantle
#

even with no RP/BS

daring oxide
#

i dunno of APL uses GM as a good buff?

#

but i know its TB, RP and BS yeah

glass mortar
#

uh

#

when i say good buffs

warped mantle
#

yh RP BS ofc

daring oxide
#

RP BS TB

glass mortar
#

i mean BS+RP+GM or something like that

quaint mauve
gaunt phoenix
daring oxide
#

Solo do you have target count in APL to put GM into consideration?

#

for dungoslice

warped mantle
daring oxide
#

as a 3 buff contender

tropic zephyr
#

BS or nothing, reroll 5 buffs if you don't have BS

glass mortar
#

well u can kir on any 4 buffs

tropic zephyr
quaint mauve
glass mortar
#

i dont think its possible to have 4 buffs without having at least 2 of the good ones

quaint mauve
#

how am i gonna do my m0s without an optimal build

warped mantle
daring oxide
glass yew
glass mortar
#

no clue i doubt this is simmable

warped mantle
#

why isn't it simmable

#

💔

daring oxide
vivid vessel
#

@glass yew I think outlaw is worse than s2, but maybe better than s1 altough im not so sure honestly its hard to say

quaint mauve
keen belfry
#

no cap, i just watched a DF s3 clip. bring back that tierset

warped mantle
glass mortar
#

because in sims u wont hit situations often enough where u get good 3 vs 2 bad 2 good and kir off cd to send

daring oxide
glass mortar
#

so it wont sim any different probably

warped mantle
#

in simc

#

and sim on 8 targ

daring oxide
gaunt phoenix
#

overthinking kir already

glass yew
glass mortar
#

sure but thats alot of work and nobody is simming it

mild vigil
#

like please don't overthink kir

warped mantle
#

on EVERYONE'S souls

#

solo is simming it

glass mortar
#

doesnt rlly matter

keen belfry
mild vigil
#

trust me you'll have more fun if you just vibe

daring oxide
# daring oxide yes you can

go edit the apl and add spell_targets > 1 and GM (as one of the good buffs) and see if it changes the needle for dungo slice?

warped mantle
#

it feels so fucking bad

keen belfry
#

wanna know whats worse tho

#

no pc or no gs

warped mantle
#

who needs prio

#

😎

glass mortar
#

its not like u do boss damage anyway

#

just drop gs

warped mantle
#

we legit do no st

glass mortar
#

we arent boss damage dealers this season anyway

warped mantle
#

PC angle

#

so overall looks good

glass mortar
#

🙂

tropic zephyr
keen belfry
#

i did a 3 min boss fight, dropping gs was -7.5% dmg

#

for 2fth

glass mortar
#

ye

keen belfry
#

im ok on that

glass mortar
#

gs is massive

keen belfry
#

i will just cry when i dont have broadside

daring oxide
#

what about a fight like

#

DH boss

#

maybe u can drop GS for 2FTH

warped mantle
#

26s shorter pull but still

keen belfry
#

outlaw is so weird, we've never had to take PC cuz it never worked meaning we take 2fth.
meaning we dont care as much about stuff like BS

but now we take pc and 1fth, and we thought this is tolerable BECAUSE we had s2 tier that gave us crazy buff uptime.
we are now entering a 1fth season without high buff uptime

#

GRR!

daring oxide
#

Grrr

vivid vessel
warped mantle
#

and we're getting buffed again

vivid vessel
#

Good

warped mantle
#

😸

unique fulcrum
#

!guide

ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
#

Only need to nerf half the specs in the game now

warped mantle
#

UHDK reroll angle

normal forge
warped mantle
#

@vivid vessel is the prio into shard

#

more than u do total

#

btw

#

it must be close on first pull w avg rng

tropic zephyr
#

idk how "purely aoe" specs like enh can get more prio than us

#

i'ts crazy

wintry solar
#

They payed off a dev

keen belfry
#

is enh purely aoe?

#

i think of specs like ret as purely aoe

#

tempest is an ethical button

vivid vessel
#

well

warped mantle
#

ye

#

the same as he does

#

to shard

#

very cool

fervent garden
tropic zephyr
#

but it's like the only heavy hitter single target spell they have

warped mantle
#

I do think assa is just very overtuned

latent belfry
tropic zephyr
#

rest of their spenders is aoe

vivid vessel
keen belfry
vivid vessel
#

they might get another buff

tropic zephyr
#

it's like tempest -> chain -> chain -> chain -> tempest etc

vivid vessel
#

for good measure

warped mantle
#

that's why

keen belfry
#

when enhance is good its really good for timer

warped mantle
#

aren't they still bottom 2 specs

#

even post buffs

#

idk if they'll nerf

#

was casual playing KB in that key

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or bleed build

#

if no KB it's diabolical

tropic zephyr
#

i hope he's playing kb with that prio

keen belfry
#

i dont think hes playing kb xd

warped mantle
#

yh

#

they all play bleed

#

on ptr

keen belfry
#

the prio comes for enhanced KSM from tier i think

warped mantle
#

13m prio into 1 targ

#

is diabolical

keen belfry
#

the more aoe u do the more direct prio u do

warped mantle
#

bro is doign 5m more than the arcane amge

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and more overall

tropic zephyr
keen belfry
vivid vessel
keen belfry
#

holy moly

warped mantle
tropic zephyr
warped mantle
#

and doing like 10m more overall

#

in that pull

vivid vessel
warped mantle
#

i saw him

leaden sonnet
warped mantle
#

doing 22m

#

outside of cds

#

overall

#

probs like 8m prio

vivid vessel
#

wouldnt even surprise me

keen belfry
#

wait so like

#

sin is

warped mantle
#

it's broken

#

it's probs meta

keen belfry
#

funnel steroids?

warped mantle
#

yh

keen belfry
#

i know it was really good funnel

warped mantle
#

u speed up a key so much

#

u have best funnel in game

#

by far IMO

keen belfry
#

but its even crazier with new tier eh?

warped mantle
#

like first boss halsl too

#

u can just pull so mcuh trash on it

#

and destroy boss

#

assa arcane comp

#

is gonna go hard

vivid vessel
#

best fnunel in the game by far

warped mantle
#

if u play assa arcane

keen belfry
#

i swear u cant play assa arcane right?

warped mantle
#

prio mob is gonna die too fast

#

i think

vivid vessel
#
  • insane aoe + insane incapped aoe
#
  • insane burst
#
  • not even bad st
warped mantle
#

na u can play assa arcane

#

for sure

keen belfry
#

we were talking about this yesterday

#

on live it was so int to do that

warped mantle
#

yh but

keen belfry
#

but i hear arcane has less funnel now

warped mantle
#

its broken on ptr

keen belfry
#

so its doable

#

and ye op

warped mantle
#

it does more overall

#

even not accounting for the funnel

#

it's one of the best aoe specs too

#

lmao

keen belfry
#

i wonder what is briging up arcanes aoe

warped mantle
#

def getting nerfed

#

i play outlaw either wayt

pliant wind
#

arcane ST is very good now

vivid vessel
#

I don't get how you can allow funnel specs to also be first overall

keen belfry
#

what changed for arcane to make it aoe blaster

pliant wind
#

i deal 5m without funneling constant

#

but deals less aoe overall

vivid vessel
#

And then outlaw people will tell you it's too op cause you do st while doing aoe

#

I swear people are so stupid

pliant wind
#

tbh outlaw...

#

just sucks now

#

and is my fav spec

#

and u cant easily swap like sub and assa do for raid-m+

#

atleast in early season

#

just everything sucks for outlaw now

spare dome
#

stop dooming

pliant wind
#

hope they change anything

spare dome
#

everything is gonna be ok

lethal oak
#

Unless Zac plays assa outlaw is fine

soft bobcat
#

It’s not doom it’s true

glass mortar
#

zac would stop playing the game before he played sin

#

and hes a hardcore addict so

#

idk if thats a good metric

spare dome
#

I mean sin in aoe is not that boring

lofty pike
#

Do we believe that a Tuning Pass is Happening that favours us poor Outlaws?

spare dome
#

its the st that sucks hard

vivid vessel
#

sucks hard

#

it does outlaw st

#

define sucks hard

spare dome
#

i didnt mean the numbers

desert tendon
#

you suck hard

covert kestrel
spare dome
#

i meant

desert tendon
spare dome
#

the feeling

#

its boring

vivid vessel
leaden sonnet
pliant wind
#

i think assa ST is the most boring spec in the game?

#

it could be

vivid vessel
#

outlaw in raid is going to be doing crazy on the cleave bosses

vivid vessel
leaden sonnet
#

No

mild vigil
leaden sonnet
#

I meant the definition of sucking hard is doing outlaw st

vivid vessel
#

im not talking about raid

#

btw

#

idk about raid

#

But in m+ outlaw and assa st is litteraly the same shit

spare dome
#

but

vivid vessel
spare dome
#

outlaw will still be good the first week

#

for m+

#

right

#

low keys

vivid vessel
#

Just that it you say sin st sucks hard

#

You gotta realize

#

It's the same as outlaw so

#

Fair

spare dome
#

I meant as in its boring

#

not that is sucks with numbers

pliant wind
#

in low keys outlaw is good coz it can always adapt to every pull

#

and can have constant uptimes

spare dome
#

wrong choice of words eh well

pliant wind
#

doesnt depend on long or short pulls

lofty pike
vivid vessel
#

because pc in raid

#

is so muhc better than pc in m+

glass mortar
#

apparently we can go hard on the bosses u can PC pad with in raid

vivid vessel
#

we can

glass mortar
#

maybe its not even padding? maybe important aoe damage

#

but ur boss damage is...

#

i do not speak

vivid vessel
#

we were gapping on ptr raid testing on these bosses

#

like litteral gap

#

and we got 20% buffed since then

glass mortar
#

i personally dont think we will get nerfed even if we show up turbo on them tho

#

just because

keen belfry
#

who has a screenshot of the assa log

glass mortar
#

fury and frost got nerfed for the same thing because they were literally being used to solve the fights

keen belfry
#

wher ehe did 13mil to the shard

glass mortar
#

nobody plays this spec

#

nobody will play this spec

#

outlaw wont be solving any fights for u

torpid fiber
#

Just remove PC from wowhead guide for heroic week ezclap

lofty pike
#

Will my guild notice If i was#1 bossdmg in s2? Or everything fine cause everyone was Bad?

keen belfry
spare dome
#

rwf raiders will want to get outlaw nerfed cos they dont want to play it

#

wcyd

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

wdym rwf dont play outlaw

mighty pivot
tropic zephyr
glass mortar
#

maybe we show up on a meme boss in first half of raid once a season because some racer is memeing

#

or for one pull to try it out like in df before swapping back to the real specs

#

u dont need to worry about outlaw getting nerfed due to WFR at least

pliant wind
#

i would uncap outlaw and delete PC

#

win/win outlaw

#

fk it

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

^

#

if u take this season and our ST, and then look at next season and our ST

#

if anything it looks like we will be slightly lower relative to the rest of specs no?

#

ST tuning wise

#

middle of the pack anyway

vivid vessel
#

ye

#

and our aoe is 10% lower

#

so

glass mortar
#

so how did our aoe suddenly get so broken we needed compensation nerfs to it for every st buff

#

was our aoe broken on live?

vivid vessel
#

im not like a mathematician guy

#

but ye

warped mantle
#

i mean

#

aoe is out of proportion atm no

#

compared to s2 in s3

#

for other specs i mena

spare dome
#

idk why they kept buffing PC

#

its such a weird talent

vivid vessel
warped mantle
#

like bro

#

look at first bit of ptr

#

mm was opening 75m

vivid vessel
#

But that's another point supporting not nerfing bf kekw so

warped mantle
#

ye idk why they nerfed bf

#

our aoe isnt that good

#

and idk how it can affect raid

#

there is 0 raid data from good guilds probs

#

cause none tested with outlaw

vivid vessel
#

I mean I know why they nerfed bf

#

I seen what outlaw does

#

On these bosses

warped mantle
#

nothing?

#

KEK

lost otter
vivid vessel
#

But one of these boss's is litteraly

warped mantle
#

wat boss u talking about

#

tazavesh?

gaunt phoenix
#

our gear is so fixed that i can essentially construct a bis list this season

vivid vessel
#

Perma 3 target and the adds are damage amped by 100% so

glass mortar
#

when do u think it will be out

warped mantle
#

in raid u mena?

vivid vessel
#

Like

pliant wind
vivid vessel
#

Is there anything beter for outlaw

warped mantle
#

80m?

pliant wind
#

:D

warped mantle
#

no way

pliant wind
#

yeah

glass mortar
#

i ask because our raid leader ( @upper surge ) is asking we fill out a bis loot sheet for tier and trinkets and items before thursday

warped mantle
#

on waht pull

#

gambit?

glass mortar
#

btw hes muted in here for being a bad boy so if u ping him he cant answer

#

😏

#

but i know hes looking

pliant wind
#

i dont remember it was yesterday i think it was on a zac stream

glass mortar
#

hi ludacris

warped mantle
#

waht the helly

gaunt phoenix
#

hi lapras

warped mantle
#

i havent seen a dk do 80m

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

gear lists of a sort anyway

warped mantle
#

why is your raid leader ( @upper surge ) muted for one week

glass mortar
#

i was just gunna but rando versa gear in it and explain it doesnt rlly matter

#

because he was a very bad boy who toed the line and got his toe chopped off for it

#

🫡

mighty pivot
warped mantle
#

UDHK might acc be cracked

#

if it's opening 80m

#

what the helly

#

haven't seen taht ngl

pliant wind
#

ill try to look for it

warped mantle
#

ty bro

#

if it's in zac stream he has vods

#

at least

pliant wind
#

yeah

warped mantle
#

then u can see him doing

#

8x less dam

#

on that pull

vivid vessel
warped mantle
#

halls?

#

oh it wasnt gambit