ARGB 
#outlaw
desert tendon
desert tendon
12 fans
frail veldt
they "interpreted"
gloomy coral
ALTERNTATIVE QUOTES
desert tendon
custom water cooling
cedar kernel
hi censi
frail veldt
there is no direct quote I have found yet that even remotely indicates they are banning addons
desert tendon
Overclocking
cedar kernel
i heard u summoned me
gloomy coral
Hi bac, u handsome man
cedar kernel
gm
hardy vault
i mean in the end you guys are kinda right and we just need to wait for blizz to announce what they're doing exactly
cedar kernel
desert tendon
but dont tell others
gloomy coral
daring oxide
<:ShienCatShyTips:1321482471979749396>
when are you ever gonna evolve btw
desert tendon
i m actually saying that to every purple 
daring oxide
did your poke trainer ditch you in the pokebox?
gloomy coral
Changing guilds fixed my alcoholism, so Jigglypuff isnt appearing any time soon
God, what a tier Nathria was
covert kestrel
i love the counter circle jerk when one random sub player comes in here and says "theyre prob gonna fuck it up" and then everyone just reeeeees on the keyboard "EVERYONES A DOOMER AND SO NEGATIVE SHUT THE FUCK UP"
desert tendon
oh shoot, if that s true i know what s getting out of alcohol is
keep it up king
gloomy coral
Its partly true I guess 
cedar kernel
brothers show me something crazy tomorrow
desert tendon
that s gonna sounds racist but i thought of you couple days ago
hardy vault
i love the counter circle jerk when one random sub player comes in here and says...
i just have the sub role still because i played that spec first 
desert tendon
i ve eaten kimchi
cedar kernel
we got 3 days to get into new season and i need to have my driver license test
desert tendon
cedar kernel
thought about me of what
daring oxide
i just have the sub role still because i played that spec first <:peepoCute:8769...
sub role is naughty
gloomy coral
I can run your driving teacher over if you need extra time
vivid vessel
which imply there will be collaterals tho is my point
Although we haven't finalized a target release date for these changes, what we can say is that we'll be giving many months of advance notice before we flip the switch. We want to allow addon devs as much time as possible to test the changes, report issues and provide feedback. We will be announcing the landing place for these changes well ahead of time and taking steps to maximize the amount of hands-on feedback from addon developers before the changes go live.
- you are ignoring this part right after, that is so obvious it means they are killing some stuffs ("addons that are not directly targeted by these changes")
We know there will be some unintended fallout for addons that are not directly targeted by these changes, but we will be actively taking steps to minimize that damage as much as possible. Your feedback here is vital, since you obviously know best which APIs you currently use and for what purpose.
this is also a thread that was made by one of the addon dev guy ? (i think its a guy that is either a blizz dev or a guy that directly com with blizz dev idk but he seems to know important stufs so)
Realistically, I don't suspect we'll be seeing CLEU survive unscathed through all of this - so I'd like to set up a general thread to collect any cases where people are using combat log events for things that are wholly non-combat related.
daring oxide
we got 3 days to get into new season and i need to have my driver license test
just pass it
desert tendon
well nvm, i didnt thought of you
gloomy coral
cedar kernel
💀
desert tendon
oh chinese
gloomy coral
THERE IS NO SHOT
frail veldt
which imply there will be collaterals tho is my point
> Although we haven't fina...
wait those quotes werent in what you sent me
desert tendon
i checked every single mark
desert tendon
Since i quitted wow and i ve seen mewo's hands
i ve lost my mind
i forgot everything else
vivid vessel
wait those quotes werent in what you sent me
the last one is diff
the 2 ones were no ?
dense bolt
where are we reading this?
vivid vessel
the 2 ones are from the devs
daring oxide
youre japanese
bro
cedar kernel
I can run your driving teacher over if you need extra time
i will pass it bc its not that worry i think, the first week is not the m+ week
desert tendon
LISTEN VAI
frail veldt
Yeah the first quote to me does imply there will be some impact but they dont say how much and that they will be very cautious with it
cedar kernel
i should make a conical bamboo hat on my pfp (time to bedge have a nice day, since other brothers are chatting"
vivid vessel
the 2 firsts are in the screens i sent
frail veldt
the second and 3rd quote werent in the image
vivid vessel
so
cedar kernel
vivid vessel
the second and 3rd quote werent in the image
you quoted it my guy
hardy vault
just use 
bac 
vivid vessel
you quoted my quote
cedar kernel
daring oxide
Well i ve to go to a chinese restaurant et get some kung pao now to be forgiven
i love kung pao in lettuce gem leaves
cedar kernel
Dawn Boost is racist
frail veldt
you quoted my quote
lol oh sorry the reformatting tricked me
daring oxide
Dawn Boost is racist
its ok, im also asian (japanese) and you get so used to it, barely notice it anymore lmao
frail veldt
this means that theyre trying to mitigate the impact though
they wouldnt say "minimize the damage as much as possible'
if their goal was to kill addons
daring oxide
<:ChingCat:1304582120932511745>
this emote is kinda funny lol
desert tendon
frail veldt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1401947414289453146/im...
yeah like
"WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF BANNING THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT"
mighty pivot
daring oxide
i should make a conical bamboo hat on my pfp (time to bedge have a nice day, sin...
i had a nice one, winne the poo (just like Zacs) with a rice hat and chopsticks and sushi xd
desert tendon
<:ChingCat:1304582120932511745>
now i ll know you re chinese, use that as pfp please
cedar kernel
💀 no censi thats too memed, i need to use some art pic as my pfp
memed pfp too bad
too bad
desert tendon
i wish we had no addons and our RL needed to use an IRL timer to call out mecanics
fr fr
great time
cedar kernel
its ok, im also asian (japanese) and you get so used to it, barely notice it any...
🫶
mighty pivot
ban timers too, they have track time in their head
daring oxide
@cedar kernel where are you from btw
daring oxide
mainland or?
cedar kernel
mainland
desert tendon
hardy vault
ban timers too, they have track time in their head
like how pro arena players did with DRs when addons were banned for tournaments
hardy vault
just count in your head
daring oxide
i kinda want to go to china just for the food
its insanely good
cedar kernel
those places are expensive to life, need to be very good and hardworking person to live there, but yea good for traveling
daring oxide
well yeah im sure its just a good location for affulent or tourists for sure
when i go back gonna go to Shenzen
desert tendon
i wouldnt live in big cities in china tho, only farmland
chilling alone
in a lost house middle of nowhere
living a peacefull and poor life
happy
daring oxide
I stayed in a mandarin oriental hotel that was inside a hutong
was a cool experience
you get to stay in a fancy villa thats surrounded by hutong locals
was interesting
daring oxide
ShenZhen is very close to my city
Whats crazy to me is how fast the population of Shenzhen grew:
thats why i wanna go, to see how the city functions
desert tendon
17.5m
hardy vault
thats china for you mate
hardy vault
17.5m is like almost a 4th of germany
hardy vault
5x berlin
desert tendon
lemme check paris pop
mighty pivot
30% in a year what in tarnation
daring oxide
I lived in tokyo for a few years and that has a population of like 34m
desert tendon
2.4m in paris
cedar kernel
or u will be pushing to move
desert tendon
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix @sweet badge both of u are pronounced the same
cedar kernel
daring oxide
but you dont notice it in tokyo because its sooooooooo big
sweet badge
Why are we talking about Shenzen rn, weren't we busy flinging mud at each other about them nuking addons? This is too peaceful for me
desert tendon
20 054 people/km²
proven ocean
desert tendon
hardy vault
Why are we talking about Shenzen rn, weren't we busy flinging mud at each other ...
we cooled down again, lets wait an hour
daring oxide
Why are we talking about Shenzen rn, weren't we busy flinging mud at each other ...
Trying to defuse the situation using outlaw tactics of tricks of the trade 🙂
daring oxide
hahaha
covert kestrel
I'm here to stir the pot!
just @ mewo and say something slightly semantically wrong and we will get content for hours
hardy vault
censi i might sound dumb asking that, but what is that ability ur talking about
desert tendon
@frail veldt i think outlaw doenst need to be uncapped, it s too good already. Also adr must be increase to 4mn cd
proven ocean
@frail veldt i think outlaw doenst need to be uncapped, it s too good already. Also adr must be increase to 4mn cd
hardy vault
3/10 ragebait guys
sweet badge
We're not falling for his one Unius
proven ocean
Guys
desert tendon
guys
sweet badge
What is the list about?
sweet badge
Time spent afk during a channel?
desert tendon
imma show u a tier list
proven ocean
Strongest spec in wow
daring oxide
Strongest spec in wow
proven ocean
Thoughts??
covert kestrel
Based on outlaw being used as an example for needing weakauras to play, instead of nerfing personal weakauras, they will be gutting outlaw as a high apm high decision skill spec and making it dumbed down like ret in the near future and we are in the last glory days of a unique spec.
NOW THATS HOW YOU RAGEBAIT
sweet badge
It's joever for outlaw
vivid vessel
they wouldnt say "minimize the damage as much as possible'
You are ignoring the part where they clearly state some add-ons are targeted and some aren't, what this means is that an addon that use combat log to know that your char is in a rested state or not is what would be a collateral damage and they would try to avoid breaking that, as opposed to add-ons reading logs events where it's probably more what they are aiming at if they want to lock down add-ons a bit more
daring oxide
Thoughts??
agile orchid
Thoughts??
how is it ragebait if it's true
daring oxide
Based on outlaw being used as an example for needing weakauras to play, instead ...
they will keep high apm, but make the flow simpler
is what i hope for at least
sweet badge
Replace all builders with sinister strike
covert kestrel
they should expand on the container theory
sweet badge
Give sinister strike random sound effects (pistol shot, ambush, sinister strike), so law players don't notice the change
covert kestrel
make 8 buffs for RtB
hardy vault
nonono guys i got the idea
sweet badge
Make RtB buff look like it rolls different outcomes, but under the hood it's always the same thing
daring oxide
these sub rogues are paid actors
proven ocean
guys
i
m
ade
a tier list
the only true
and real tier list
@desert tendon
rdy
?
daring oxide
to bring disarray to outlaw
sweet badge
these sub rogues are paid actors
Zac paid me
proven ocean
thoughts??
daring oxide
frigid cloud
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
proven ocean
@frail veldt
vivid vessel
I think rtb should have a 1% chance of killing yourself
covert kestrel
I think rtb should have a 1% chance of killing yourself
russian reouleete
make outlaw a cowboy spec instead of pirate
proven ocean
LMFAO ZERO
vivid vessel
russian reouleete
French roulette
sweet badge
Did you mess up the French word intentionally to fuck with zac?
covert kestrel
Did you mess up the French word intentionally to fuck with zac?
no im just borked
desert tendon
I think rtb should have a 1% chance of killing yourself
actually
i think rtb should have 1% of not giving any buff
sweet badge
Haha
desert tendon
maybe like a full reset even
desert tendon
cancelling snd and adr
vivid vessel
So
daring oxide
I fixed it for you:
cinder relic
buff sub and sin by 20% 
proven ocean
@frail veldt
covert kestrel
i think audacity and opportunity should be rtb bones
desert tendon
that s zero tlist guy
cinder relic
buff balance
vivid vessel
buff sub and sin by 20% <:OMEGALUL:588187012067229697>
200% noob
grim spear
I think rtb should have a 1% chance of killing yourself
rtb should randomly throw out 6 dice
if you catch them, you get buffs
if you miss, you take damage equal to 50% of your maximum health for each one
frail veldt
this is a wild one
vivid vessel
Censi
sweet badge
rtb should randomly throw out 6 dice
if you catch them, you get buffs
Like transmitter, but with 6 orbs?
vivid vessel
So Yoh think I'm catching my train
vivid vessel
I'm slightly late
covert kestrel
rtb should randomly throw out 6 dice
if you catch them, you get buffs
make it like draven axes in league where you have to move to ground circles to collect buffs
proven ocean
u dont aggroo
covert kestrel
LMAO
frail veldt
lol,olol
covert kestrel
im getting for work I cant analyze this rn lol
analyse this 
frail veldt
its cuz youre reading my name wrong
cinder relic
frail veldt
only if you go weross
grim spear
make it like draven axes in league where you have to move to ground circles to c...
yep dev: "outlaws have good mobility so they should move around more"
covert kestrel
rework surv icon cause its just brighter Dave
vivid vessel
Ok what is this based on
Nvm I know
It's a one week old tier list
Actually already outdated
Insane
covert kestrel
isnt arms dedge
vivid vessel
Both war spec
cinder relic
i dont believe what anybody says about anything related to their spec
cinder relic
They all liars
desert tendon
i love yours guy
sweet badge
This is the only unbiased tier list
covert kestrel
where is entropy DH
vivid vessel
accurate every seasons
It's not that even that off this season
quaint mauve
im itching bro
covert kestrel
they ll rename augmentation to dogmentation
make me bark daddy
proven ocean
covert kestrel
sry
quaint mauve
one more day
sweet badge
Until m0 farming?
quaint mauve
yes
agile orchid
m0 and delve gaming
quaint mauve
which im excited for
desert tendon
pretty crazy that no specs start by C
vivid vessel
Lol
prisma vessel
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
sweet badge
I'm legally blind, so I'm already a mole
frail veldt
pretty crazy that no specs start by C
coutlaw
quaint mauve
i’ve been playing roblox and val for the past 2 weeks anything is better
grim spear
the brush duo
vivid vessel
You did tho
covert kestrel
@upper surge this true?
vivid vessel
He can't answer kekw
sweet badge
the brush duo
Maybe I'll change my pic to survival and see if people notice the betrayal
covert kestrel
He can't answer kekw
oh fuck
vivid vessel
desert tendon
zac
covert kestrel
someone tell me if larias writes something
desert tendon
he s gonna place everything in S and A, and outlaw in F
look at him
show me
didnt catch that one
covert kestrel
I did already last time
am i getting trolled
gaunt phoenix
let's drop this
vivid vessel
didnt catch that one
dense bolt
!!
vivid vessel
am i getting trolled
Why do you think he isn't answering your ping
ripe ibex
w awang
desert tendon
i think i deserve to be an orange dude
proven ocean
vivid vessel
I don't need to explain myself to you buddy
proven ocean
the only true tier list
dense bolt
vivid vessel
proven ocean
wintry solar
What's with the shade?
vivid vessel
I think I'm missing my train censi
proven ocean
rtb has a 1% chance to resurrect tompelvis
mighty pivot
why am I only half cooked
vivid vessel
why am I only half cooked
What you want more?
vivid vessel
More cookation
vivid vessel
Sorry..
keen belfry
What's with the shade?
me when a random cloud comes outta nowhere and blocks the sun:
stiff vector
@vivid vessel what texture do you use for your mouseover target glow in your plater mod for your plater profile? Can I has it 
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> what texture do you use for your mouseover target glow in ...
No
Secret
Sauce
stiff vector
mighty pivot
What you want more?
vivid vessel
Np
wintry solar
I never got banned VAI
covert kestrel
yo zac that tierlist is fire
ill get into based takes only tier by midnight
keen belfry
this is goated tier no cap, 100% accurate aimhack
stiff vector
I just had french toast stuffed with oreo creamcheese and banannas it was very good
mighty pivot
if they banned popo who else would have exclusively bad outlaw takes
vivid vessel
this is goated tier no cap, 100% accurate aimhack
I mean ..
covert kestrel
the only thing missing is G tier for Goon tier for somnius
mighty pivot
"flew too close to the sun" tier
wintry solar
if they banned popo who else would have exclusively bad outlaw takes
I have great takes. Zac is just a hater because ???
Might be a symptom of a bigger problem
desert tendon
zeross looks like a saint side to him
craggy barn
lol
keen belfry
when tf did u make this tierlist zac
mighty pivot
it was revealed a few days ago
daring oxide
I should add ryuk
give him his own haste cooked dmg meter tier
keen belfry
i could see vai joining the only based takes
he might be too optimistic for it though
we need a bit more grounding vai
pretend ur in middle school and u acted up and ur mom or dad grounded u
mighty pivot
imagine how much extra haste ryuk will need to make up for the longer KS duration
wintry solar
I bet his KS was pretty fast
daring oxide
i could see vai joining the only based takes
i appreciate the thought but my optimism lets me down i apparently give too much faith to devs
keen belfry
i miss his fonts he used
keen belfry
i appreciate the thought but my optimism lets me down i apparently give too much...
you have better mental outlook than us
just not grounded in reality enough
daring oxide
because you guys doom for me
keen belfry
yes
daring oxide
just not grounded in reality enough
i agree hahaha
wintry solar
i agree hahaha
Can't wait to support your next thing
keen belfry
duh zac
daring oxide
Can't wait to support your next thing
keeping my mind clean of any outlaw feelings until mythic prog starts
ive just been spending all my time raid prepping and completing my prog sheet
wintry solar
Just remember, this is the final patch before the new expansion so dream big.
vast frost
in midnight outlaw is gonna have restful blades
daring oxide
I genuinely think KS will be reworked again
vast frost
increases the cd of abilities when you land a finisher
keen belfry
what the helly is a prog sheet vai
daring oxide
just a sheet with all mechanics for mythic bosses
i organise these things for my own Kaze WAs
vast frost
12.0
ur right but it will also absorb literally all the time spent on outlaw for changes
daring oxide
like when to use defensives
keen belfry
can u send me ur kaze WAs but make them for raidleading
ty
ill get u a spot in my WR 1800 guild
im gm btw
daring oxide
the best gifs content
daring oxide
im still creasing randomly to this gif in my head
just the drone footage of awang
keen belfry
that one turned so fast and just sniped me
no onebelieved me
my self recording thing didnt work
vivid vessel
It's only the worse tanks with an insane ego that do this lol
Like just be a normal person or
sudden fulcrum
well it is very annoying when people pull for you as a tank
it makes an already difficult job harder
daring oxide
tank didnt like the mage pulling
hahahaa
sudden fulcrum
i don't think i'd jump off the edge, but i do hate it
keen belfry
rajuncajun was crazy, ran with him twice
vast frost
classic infant tank moment
keen belfry
my tanking arc was short lived guys
i tried to use this knock as a way to gather mobs
desert tendon
we dont wanna see awang tank or mage
vast frost
awang can you play some mistweaver pls
wintry solar
I just tell the healer not to heal them anymore
keen belfry
awang can you play some mistweaver pls
u want me to gear up tonibologna?
vast frost
u want me to gear up tonibologna?
very much so
why did god curse me to like rogue and ww monk
vast frost
rising sun kick is just a fun button
keen belfry
vast frost
apply to +15s like this
mighty pivot
my tanking arc was short lived guys
that's that "big" DH pull gif with an extra step
mighty pivot
find the difference
mighty pivot
why are the target buffs shown twice
red zinc
That wowhead article about chinese boosting cant be real
“m+ title inflated from 3400 to 3900”
keen belfry
why are the target buffs shown twice
good catch, my DH SUF must have buffs enabled
ty
(i wont log on my dh for awhile remind me in a few months please)
mighty pivot
I will put in my calendar 
fast cloak
Whats the command for the rogue spreadsheet? xD
strong shell
Is HO going to be playable for M+ season 3?
wintry solar
Yes playable
strong shell
do u know by how much %?
pliant wind
10% or so
strong shell
damn thats kinda alot
keen belfry
depends on what content
strong shell
M+
keen belfry
you can for sure play HO in raid, but id just recommend KIR for keyds
is there a non 1fth build for people wanting to learn KIR
there has to be
strong shell
that unfortunate going to play only M+ for this season, and i really dont enjoy playing KiR..
wintry solar
do u know by how much %?
pliant wind
the AR uptime is much easier in KiR 2fth than HO
strong shell
Thanks popo!
wintry solar
Yw
keen belfry
the issue with KIR 2fth is you have to pick between GS or PC, which are both kinda not droppable IMO
pliant wind
yah
wintry solar
Dropping GS is a nice QOL
keen belfry
u need all the prio u can get next tier
wintry solar
I don't think the prio thing is bad enough to not be able to drop GS
keen belfry
I don't think the prio thing is bad enough to not be able to drop GS
u also lose like, 8% ST lol
which is quite bad!
wintry solar
In a vacuum sure
keen belfry
In a vacuum sure
wat
wintry solar
I found some under my bed when cleaning my room
cinder relic
Wait Ur telling me early st patchwork sims aren't useful
Wow
This is the first I've heard of this?
frank finch
wintry solar
It's not gonna make or break you
keen belfry
that sounds like a good argument
hybrid crown
Someone should do a sim compare between 2 fth no GS and 1 fth
daring oxide
It's not gonna make or break you
its breaking my heart
keen belfry
wintry solar
its breaking my heart
That's because you're too innocent for this world.
daring oxide
i would rather give up aoe in favour for good ST dps
wintry solar
its not gonna kill ur dps its only hurting it really bad
Most specs sacrifice ST for aoe.
Or is that not okay
wintry solar
Everyone does
keen belfry
bro
wintry solar
You're implying that I'm okay with this btw
keen belfry
popo this was ur chance
to leave the poopy pants tier
insteadf
you filled it with more turd
vivid vessel
i still think outlaw has great prio
Middle / lower pack prio
Half the specs in the game have funnel now with hero talents
wintry solar
I don't think the prio thing is bad enough to not be able to drop GS
This was all I said
dense bolt
vivid vessel
You lose prio with ks being rng so you ain't even doing st in. Aoe
frank finch
https://imgur.com/PdDwAkf monka
hybrid crown
Yooo what
hybrid crown
New season of mace meta woo
wintry solar
Oh lord
red zinc
https://imgur.com/PdDwAkf monka
adventurer upgrade all the way will be 26 ilvls worse than what we have now relatively
frank finch
good for us i guess
red zinc
afaik
hybrid crown
I wonder if it upgrades after week 1
frank finch
m+ stonks u pa tiny bit
red zinc
doubt its good enough
hybrid crown
From adventure to champ
silver sluice
might upgrade in the .5 patch though again lol yeah
frank finch
the live version competes with heroic s3 offhand
silver sluice
who knows
frank finch
678 cudgel
gaunt phoenix
damn you char limit
river maple
Are there new health pots and consumables for the new season or do I just stock up on what we have been getting for the new season?
keen belfry
This was all I said
i mean losing a lot of prio, a lot of ST, and a fair amount of aoe is not viable to me. its viable in the sense that u can play it but u can also play without any keybinds
sudden fulcrum
Are there new health pots and consumables for the new season or do I just stock ...
just new health pots
keen belfry
yeah temnpered pot kinda bad for outlaw right
i saw those sims the other day
surprised me
daring oxide
yup
gaunt phoenix
:ok 
11.2 Overview
FAQ is updated
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Killing Spree is reworked. It is now a channel of gunfire with more damage, duration, and cooldown, and it generates CPs during the animation. You can use defensives/grapple during the channel without breaking it. All builds will use KS, and it is still the highest prio finisher outside of stealth.- It is possible to cancel KS with a finisher after it generates you to 7 CPs. For KIR builds, it is basically the same dps as letting it finish on its own.
-
Until we get new tier, nothing else is changing: the rotation and HO/KIR are just the same as before.
-
New tier means
Fatebound becomes the premier choice for single target, it is ~10% ahead of 
Trickster for ST. At 2 target it is the same as Trickster, and it is 6-8% worse than Trickster at 5-8 targets.- A couple raid bosses will probably use Fatebound, namely Plexus Sentinel, Loomithar, and Fractillus. The other bosses might have enough BF damage to warrant using Trickster, we'll see how the consensus settles once the raid is released.
- Fatebound loses a lot of ST/priority damage in AoE, namely because the
Delivered Doom talent turns itself off at 5 targets. So while Fatebound is possibly considerable in keys, it's not like you will continue to do ~10% more ST throughout the entire key.
- A couple raid bosses will probably use Fatebound, namely Plexus Sentinel, Loomithar, and Fractillus. The other bosses might have enough BF damage to warrant using
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For our builds, after the new tier we are back to using
Loaded Dice instead of 
Sleight of Hand.
HO builds will become largely behind 
KIR, around 4-10% depending on targets. While HO is technically still viable, our recommended builds will be KIR.- Ideally, we are still playing KIR 1FTH in keys or bosses that warrant
Precise Cuts.
New rotation stuff
- You will still
KIR at 4 buffs, though 3 buffs is a very minimal expected loss. - After tier you will roll with 0 buffs, roll if you have 1-2 buffs with Loaded Dice, and roll once immediately after KIR.
- The whole KIR container shit will be largely irrelevant. You roll once after KIR, there is no wacky minmax at this time.
- After tier, Trickster will try to send
Vanish shortly after the double 
Coup de Grace. However, you still have to watch KS cooldown, and in M+ try not to hold Vanish so much that you are nearly overcapped going into the next pack. - Trickster will still prioritize
Sinister Strike when 
Unseen Blade is guaranteed. - After tier, Fatebound will open with
Ghostly Strike from stealth (into AR), instead of just opening with AR, because of a bug where AR from stealth does not proc 
Double Jeopardy on itself. - In M+, you should try to only send
Deft Maneuvers at 1-2 CPs. This is mainly because SS can proc Unseen Blade at any time and you won't know it, and after tier Coup is stronger than before.
Fatebound KIR for ST (need tier):
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mxMjZMmZmZYGGMjhZmZmWmxsNDAAAAAAsNzMDzMjFYZ2GAAAAmZGwAbwMGNmNAbTYxMA
Trickster KIR 1FTH for AoE:
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBjZGmZmZYGegxMzMMzMz0yMmtZAAAAAAw22MzMMzMWglZZAAAAYmZAwY2MMkBmFWoF2MA
^ Deft Maneuvers is for keys, swap to 
Swift Slasher in raid AoE.
wintry solar
Nice
red zinc
solo can you sim maxed adventurer cudgel
daring oxide
We probably are using the meld pots <a:xdd:1095722176734314556>
pin when to confirm?
gaunt phoenix
does the cudgel get updated ilvl?
white marten
Gonna go mage. Good speed my outlaw brothers
gaunt phoenix
fuck off
daring oxide
hahahaha
red zinc
!up
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
Aight
quaint mauve
https://imgur.com/PdDwAkf monka
.no...
white marten
.7 prob
silver sluice
or that yeah
keen belfry
i like cudgel
white marten
Along with the rogue rework
keen belfry
but i dont want cudgel
red zinc
yes
vivid vessel
How much bigger
red zinc
its like
silver sluice
an easy to get bis OH for aoe is fine to be honest
red zinc
44 ilvls instead of 27
slate forge
Cudgel meld pot season pog
red zinc
off the top of my head
vivid vessel
44 ilvls instead of 27
Oof
keen belfry
i like it but i dont want to use it
keen belfry
ok 44 ilvls its dead
silver sluice
its prolly dead until you can get the champ
slate forge
We’re losing offhand scaling with KS change
wintry solar
Along with the rogue rework
That's coming in midnight. Vai will predict it.
daring oxide
That's coming in midnight. Vai will predict it.
yeah in 12.2.7
hunters get another rework at 12.0
white marten
yeah in 12.2.7
And mages will get 2 reworks before then.
wintry solar
They're the new Spriest
white marten
Void pirate?
daring oxide
Void Thief
gaunt phoenix
daring oxide
creampie myself
gaunt phoenix
no upscaled 11.2 icons yet
white marten
Yourself?! Hell na id do it for you
daring oxide
Yourself?! Hell na id do it for you
white marten
Hopefully they just go strictly based off of Solos suggestions for the outlaw rework
daring oxide
Hopefully they just go strictly based off of Solos suggestions for the outlaw re...
i have no seen these
@gaunt phoenix share me your rework plans pls
wintry solar
They're gonna hire mafic
white marten
Was it solo or Guy? I forget
daring oxide
i must read and analyse
gaunt phoenix
I don't have a lot of strong opinions on the future of outlaw really
white marten
Must have been guy- mb
daring oxide
Was it solo or Guy? I forget
if its Guy we might all be doomed
vivid vessel
white marten
Arent we doomed anyways?
wintry solar
Guy would scale everything back
daring oxide
Guy would bring back combat
wintry solar
I wouldn't go that far
white marten
Yeah he would
daring oxide
but it'd be the end of crackshot
white marten
Removing crackshot
daring oxide
our beloved
white marten
And dependency on vanish
gaunt phoenix
I think 1FTH has to go: change where PC is on the tree, or just make FTH a 1 pointer for full cps, or change ghostly strike on the tree
wintry solar
None of those would happen
daring oxide
I think 1FTH has to go: change where PC is on the tree, or just make FTH a 1 poi...
I really REALLY AGREE with this, as much as I have enjoyed 1FTH for some weird reason
slate forge
Remove ghostly energy cost
white marten
I hate how “slow” 1fth feels
daring oxide
i just feel like I've lost something big
ye
that too
I really feel the loss in cp gen at times
especially with no BS
quaint mauve
Removing crackshot
crackshot is what makes this spec fun imo
wintry solar
What if they buff pistol shot so much we have to take 2fth
white marten
Energy without broadside with 1fth is ROUGH
gaunt phoenix
Deep fried
daring oxide
then they can tune our BF to be higher again
white marten
crackshot is what makes this spec fun imo
I like crackshot but i hate vanish. Give us 1 charge of vanish and 2 changes of Shadow dance.
wintry solar
Too close to the sun
daring oxide
LOL deep fried
wintry solar
Make crackshot it's own button
white marten
No
devout smelt
does HO also only vanish after double coup next tier?
gaunt phoenix
does HO also only vanish after double coup next tier?
Yes
daring oxide
to help mitigate against downtime
wintry solar
I got 3 empty binds I need to fill out.
gaunt phoenix
well not "only" but you try to hold it
devout smelt
yeah, ty
white marten
Bro making a button that is meant to drop combat as part of your rotation is soooooo fkin aids
vast frost
it literally only matters solo tho
daring oxide
maybe we need another button to lock our buffs durations, until we break combat again (or do an action if in combat)
so things like tindral flying
wont hurt us so much
gaunt phoenix
oh i frogor fatebound can do that dumb macro to open with stealth AR properly
daring oxide
oh i frogor fatebound can do that dumb macro to open with stealth AR properly
we still have to
lol
ive been using it since you told me about it
gaunt phoenix
if GS isnt ready yeah
daring oxide
Am i cooked if I never want to use GS to open if ADR is ready?
i cant bring myself to waste CPs
lmao
gaunt phoenix
yeah, after tier, you never ever want to lose CDR on GS
daring oxide
bah i guess
i need to slap myself and just say its ok...
its just 1-2 cps
I'm still surprised though our tier set revolves around GS lol
for fatebound
honestly didnt expect them to make us lock into it
makes me think GS should be passive
or not a talent
but outlaw feature
daring oxide
if GS is core to the tier set
then
that just means... we always play that talent
and its a capstone
so
so strange
white marten
Make it like hunters mark, and put it more centralized on the talent tree. Not a capstone
daring oxide
illusion of choice eh
white marten
😏
daring oxide
well maybe GS could have a baseline spell
pliant wind
new GS - Now is passive, whenever u attack a target for 3 seconds straight u deal 15% more damage to that target, if you change your target you lose earlier buff and need to attack for another 3 seconds.
daring oxide
and talents can enhance it further
pliant wind
nah impressive
daring oxide
I just think GS should be a buff on the Outlaw rogue
and not a debuff on the target
white marten
GS a party buff??!
daring oxide
then target swapping memes are gone
daring oxide
GS a party buff??!
i wish they kept that Boarding Crew talent
the one that gave everyone CDR
white marten
Make Sting like a bee AoE
daring oxide
then we'd be mandatory for raid hehe
white marten
then we'd be mandatory for raid hehe
Thats exactly why they removed it. To prevent that
daring oxide
can't remember
white marten
Restless crew
silver sluice
it could easily be tied to SS - like after a SS strikes a second time the second strike calls a ghost blade that deals X dmg and causes the target to take 15% more dmg for 5-7 seconds or something
but whatevs
maybe next xpack
white marten
Rogues cant ever have any fun
daring oxide
it could easily be tied to SS - like after a SS strikes a second time the second...
I like that its an OGCD tbh
i love OGCDs
silver sluice
not wrong, that is nice
daring oxide
i love weaving small attacks between gcds
silver sluice
too bad it cost like a bijillion energy
daring oxide
maybe we could get more OGCD attacks that can be like combos
daring oxide
too bad it cost like a bijillion energy
yeah i think the energy cost should of been 10 energy
not what it is now
white marten
The first Ambush out of stealth puts GS on target
daring oxide
too high for an ogcd
white marten
Make HO great again
daring oxide
and its very punishing if ADR drops
just slows everything down
in the rogue rework though, I could see us becoming a hybrid spec, we have two phases (gun mode and sword mode)
a bit like red mage in FF14
pistol blasting at range for downtime moments (we do like 10% less damage while at range) and full dps in melee
would solve the CDR downtime issue, (except if we have to fly like on tindral...)
we can always hit the target, but we have a plenty for being out of melee range
stiff vector
I mean we basically already are, you’re sword mode outside of vanish windows, gun mode inside of them
glass mortar
so do u get assigned ranged mechanics or
thats the problem with any sorta hybrid playstyle
craggy barn
i mean surv kinda has that going on doesnt it
its marked as mele as all times but can jump out and do ranged shit for a bit
gaunt phoenix
sure
craggy barn
oh i frogor fatebound can do that dumb macro to open with stealth AR properly
what dumb macro
gaunt phoenix
its like /cast stealth /cancelaura stealth /cast ar
craggy barn
ah
gaunt phoenix
so you are technically canceling stealth yourself instead of letting AR break it
craggy barn
isnt that only if u are targeting something
harsh forge
When are we replacing killing spree emote with new icon
gaunt phoenix
I cant find upscaled icons from ptr, prob on release
daring oxide
We are cooked
hot olive
unholy not even a funnel spec
slate forge
If it was brew it would just be healer
lethal oak
But he would be 5% better with brew
frail veldt
<@105752825878843392>
Could be worse lol
lethal oak
Just play FB for the prio damage
slate forge
lol
random stirrup
frail veldt
Just play FB for the prio damage
Wait doesnt FB have worse prio?
slate forge
Yeah it’s anti prio
lofty sand
The whole KIR container shit will be largely irrelevant. You roll once after KIR, there is no wacky minmax at this time.
why did this change?
gaunt phoenix
cuz losing the tier set
lofty sand
but if i kir and a buff is at 50 sec then after rolling it'll get to 39 no?
gaunt phoenix
yeah if you get a buff you already have. but it's worth for supercharger
slate forge
For 5 buff would you still wait?
gaunt phoenix
nop
lethal oak
Perfect rework idea is to force RtB on every finisher to truly embody the RnG
gaunt phoenix
it was like that before cause with the old tier, you could very well just roll a 5 buff again
but this time a 5 buff into 5 buff is not frequent enough to change the rotation
daring oxide
I think they need to reverse the effect of delivered doom, it should start at 30% extra damage at 1 target and increase up to 150% damage at 5 targets or more
What do you think?
Then fatebound might be viable for m+???
slate forge
I think they won’t change rogue this year
daring oxide
Nah we’re defo not getting a rework this tier but maybe in 12.0
slate forge
All you can ask for is a KS aura buff anything else is too much work
daring oxide
They need to do one more hunter rework first though
weary fog
Is the ~10 second reroll rule still gonna be a thing or is that gone too
limpid vortex
I hope fatebound is better than trickster next season
gaunt phoenix
it's way better at 1 target, so it will be used on some raid bosses
limpid vortex
Yaaaay
gaunt phoenix
and it's considerable in keys, though maybe not at the highest level of play
frank finch
All you can ask for is a KS aura buff anything else is too much work
Ambush buff
slate forge
I’d love it unrealistic though
lethal oak
500%
shy pecan
will 2piece + 2piece be worth it over old 4p?
gaunt phoenix
i haven't looked at that a whole lot, maybe for fatebound, cause the 2pc is very strong
hybrid crown
Is there a spreadsheet of which classes gain the most DPS from the cape damage proc
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so but it's surely outlaw
random obsidian
is it normal that i struggle to keep uptime in the packs between 1st and 2nd boss of Rookery?
a lot of times im just like "i wish we still had that +3 yards range"
frail veldt
is it normal that i struggle to keep uptime in the packs between 1st and 2nd bos...
yeah one of the challenges of rogue is dancing to maintain uptime
we all miss acro 🙁
late swallow
keen belfry
Cups of the rose…
next wedge
so is HO killed
next wedge
thats pretty significant
frail veldt
its about 3% more than in S2
so HO players will see the gap grow between them and KiR players by 3%
next wedge
yea i was playing HO in s2 but i think that i'll probably play kir
frail veldt
yeah some people will def be switching
I wouldnt say HO is unplayable for a lot of ocntent
but for high end pushing its prob gona be dropped
though im sure there will be some HO mainers who still push plenty high with it
cinder haven
Looking at zac play on ptr, looks worrying
glass mortar
its about 3% more than in S2
?
cinder haven
Ye
glass mortar
Oh u mean in dungeons
cinder haven
We look gigadoomed
next wedge
yea i just joined a CE guild so it might be necessary