outlaw

[vivid vessel]

@upper surge thoughts?

[upper surge]

looks like your dad last night

[vivid vessel]

ok wtf

[proven ocean]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vivid vessel]

@mods

[dense bolt]

[covert kestrel]

PURPLES

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[lime lake]

wtf

[proven ocean]

not only fried

[dense bolt]

ascend

[proven ocean]

but

cooked out the wazoo

[mighty pivot]

is there an audio book version with jar jar binks reading it?

[lime lake]

i cant believe i just watched zac get got in real time

[dense bolt]

[proven ocean]

[craggy barn]

zac is reformed alright

[proven ocean]

rem

what is max doing

i feel like he has nothing to stream about

[craggy barn]

yapping

[dense bolt]

max is basically just an audiobook

[craggy barn]

hes about to audit the tier list

[proven ocean]

cookedbook

[craggy barn]

just yapping atm tho

[lethal oak]

Wait de we decide if KS is aoe?

[vivid vessel]

liquid is doing something different this tier

they are including twtich chat

max is working on the raid comp they will be rumning with twitch chat rn

[proven ocean]

method will win this race

easily

its not evfen close

[vivid vessel]

its a collaborative effort

[craggy barn]

yea

max is pulling strats from chat

twitch will win the race

[dense bolt]

cheating !

[craggy barn]

twitch plays RWF

[proven ocean]

@wemo

@frail veldt

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-spin-hat-one-brain-cell-gif-2745719316163357325

did u eat yoguhrt

today

or

?

@Oondasta

@near rock

can u change ur name to oondasta or

easier to type

[near rock]

nah

[proven ocean]

i found new critter bug

20cp finisher

0% lightgasing

[bright crane]

whats the fastest way to level from 70-80 rn

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

its like 100k gold

thats the fastest way

[proven ocean]

fastest way is to wait for next season to start

[lethal oak]

Rare candies

[proven ocean]

then pay 80$

or someshit

[bright crane]

i aint trying to spend real money

[proven ocean]

they always add max lvl boost in season 3 i think

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/0w6uL3O is this the most ce kills in a while this season?

[proven ocean]

crazy price tho idk why always high

50$ or someshit

idk

[bright crane]

highwya robbery

[vivid vessel]

300k actually apparentyl

i swear thats steal tho

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

let me check how much i paid last time

[bright crane]

i mean im fine with leveling

[proven ocean]

300k

[bright crane]

since we got the 20% xp gain

[proven ocean]

bro about to get scammed

just go to trade chat

you'll find desperate noobs doing it for 50k-100k

[quiet ore]

70-80 is like 1-3 hours of dungeoning, hardly seems worth

[proven ocean]

too much powers

idk

nyalotha was crazy alot

but this time is bigger power bloat honestly but the season is less popular

[vivid vessel]

ye this is discusting

[proven ocean]

definitely easiest raid in the game for it's current state

[vivid vessel]

i paid this last time

[vivid vessel]

ok its much more than 3 h of dungeon

but i aint doing that shit anyway

leveling up is the most brainrot content ever

[hushed quest]

How are we looking for upcoming patch bois

[vivid vessel]

i would rather just pay

[vivid vessel]

like st ?

[covert kestrel]

yellow

[hushed quest]

Nah soz mobile autocorrect

[vivid vessel]

in m+ you are worse than s2, but not as bad as s1 so its ok, you are just slightly worse than s2

raid idk

i dont think anyone knows

[hushed quest]

Dang

[vivid vessel]

i know that sub will be fine in raid

i coudlnt tell you shit about outlaw tho

it depends a lot on if outlaw does big dam or not

[hushed quest]

That sounds bad

[vivid vessel]

while sub will do fine anwyay

[quaint mauve]

3 is pushing it

[vivid vessel]

dude

i didnt even realize

they put udk

in b tier

when it does 14 mi l overall

💀

[dense bolt]

yumytv to the rescue !

wow

[random stirrup]

dks are almost as bad as warlocks at this point

#gripisnotaraidbuff

[mild vigil]

yeah but when we doom post we're seen as an annoyance by everyone

🙂

[pliant wind]

Havoc tier S? pog

[nova sinew]

Udk frost and bm in b tier is something

[vivid vessel]

I think it's funny cause

Half the specs under outlaw are doing more than outlaw kekw

Like feral even boomie

Mm

[mild vigil]

maybe b/c the spec is invincible if you're not throwing

since we always have feint & evasion

almost always rather

idk, these streamers that rate classes that they have little to no experience on always end up saying some pretty whack stuff

[dawn talon]

moonkin players always find some way to complain man

[nova sinew]

Even the DK player complained about poor utility

[dawn talon]

we HAVE to put up those kinds of numbers w the sandbagging

[sudden fulcrum]

It’s almost like it’s entertainment and you shouldn’t take it seriously

[nova sinew]

While grip is busted in m+

[covert kestrel]

ELUSIVENESS MY LOVE I CANT WAIT TO SEE YOU ON TUESDAY

[ripe ibex]

i mean boomie just isn’t bad

idk where everyone got that idea from

[dawn talon]

the dark lord tettles

[ripe ibex]

i think arcane mage not being in crazy style is so egregious

[nova sinew]

I wonder what someone like that thinks IS the meta dps spec when they rate themselves so low

[ripe ibex]

i think most of the people who did that list were raid only players

only explanation

[valid kindle]

what do you expect of tettles, gonna sandbag boomie, has 0 clue what a feral even is

[vivid vessel]

I got out damaged by a Boomie in flood

And I was so mad

I did good damage and shit

[ripe ibex]

without even counting motw

[valid kindle]

EC doesn't look bad for dungeons, at all

I sorta get their dooming for raid because it's the most atrocious thing to play there but for m+? they're fine

[proven ocean]

flood is the best boomkin dungeon

everything is spread out

its wrong to compare boomkin in their best dungeon possible

same with halls i think they're good there too

didnt check there tho

idk why enh is in dobby tier tho it does crazy st

especially with pi

[tribal cosmos]

how many sparks do we have

[proven ocean]

idk isnt it infinite

[tribal cosmos]

shiii ima need 481 gear den

wait can we catalyst crafted gear ?

[torpid fiber]

u can't iirc but don't trust me on this

[lime lake]

you can not

[proven ocean]

i hope he doesnt add assa to crazy style

[mild vigil]

I can't take another tier of assa in its current iteration

I'm fighting for my life to stay awake in raid

[rare moth]

Guys I got RNG

At lvl 19

[pliant wind]

hecrazy

[tribal cosmos]

ok so i need 12 + mythic on everything

before the end of monday

[proven ocean]

assa giga op

[tribal cosmos]

to get the catchup gear ?

[proven ocean]

u cant even do keys without assa imo

[tribal cosmos]

yikes

[proven ocean]

its like arcane mage

but on steroids

[mild vigil]

🙁

[proven ocean]

if they buff sin more

it'll be giga over

[keen belfry]

what if its s1 tww again

[proven ocean]

cuz its bad in raid

[mild vigil]

cursed to another 10,000 years of envemom

[keen belfry]

sign up to keys as sin, switch to outlaw

[proven ocean]

nah it might be crazier than s1 tww if they buff it 1 more time

like

giga meta

on all comps

[tribal cosmos]

shit

[keen belfry]

s1 tww sin was so good yeah

[proven ocean]

its bad in raid thats why maybe sin buffs

[rare moth]

Wdym you can't do keys without assassination?

[proven ocean]

it has insane funnel

[mild vigil]

he means high keys

[proven ocean]

like arcane mage

ya

[mild vigil]

like title level keys

so higher than 95% of us in here

[keen belfry]

whats sin tier zeross

[proven ocean]

udk was b tier btw

[rare moth]

I was about to say, like thats insane

[proven ocean]

in pugs A tier

in premades S tier

[keen belfry]

i mean tier set

[proven ocean]

ah

[lime lake]

[proven ocean]

buffs deathstalker by 60%

all of it

and

[keen belfry]

man

[proven ocean]

extends shiv by 3 seconds

[keen belfry]

holy funnnel

[proven ocean]

only when shiv is active

its basically mostly active

so ye

[lime lake]

singular focus goes crazy mode

[proven ocean]

crazy funnel

10% of ur aoe goes to prio (singular focus)

legit 10%

crazy ass dmg

[keen belfry]

what the hell

[proven ocean]

if u have deathmark up

ur target melts like a cock in the sun

insane funnel no cappi

[keen belfry]

a cock in the sun u say

[torpid fiber]

what the fuck is that simile

[proven ocean]

outlaw easily A tier tho

bm hunter too

mm hunter A tier or B

same with enh

idk why alot of good classes are all the way down

[keen belfry]

doesnt enhance do like 0 dmg rn

[proven ocean]

with pi its crazy op

i guess thats pi only

[nova sinew]

Iron wire doesn’t do much in push build regardless

[tough salmon]

cause everyone wants to sandbag their main spec/class

[proven ocean]

enh is ending fights like

4m st

[nova sinew]

So it’s never worth the loss

[proven ocean]

with pi

mm is like competitively high dps

[haughty wigeon]

The most fun aspect of Outlaw is hitting proc’d Ambush via Audacity which is 100% Sub’s wheel house.

Outlaw is hurting identity wise right now. I have never seen Outlaw is such a poor state. Even Outlaw in Legion beta was better than this honestly lol.

I personally want them to revert the nerfs to baseline energy, Sinister Strike, AR and also the nerf to GSW and Fan the Hammer.

Putting all that damage into Crackshot as a single passive is OP and Crackshot needs to be nerfed to buff the rest of the kit.

👍

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[proven ocean]

sad thing is that hunter has 0 util

bm is actually insane

like

S tier dps

isn't feral op btw

i saw it doing insane dps before but im not sure

[tough salmon]

op is overselling

[lime lake]

ive been told by a cat that its looking very good in keys

[tough salmon]

but its not wherever the fuck tettles put it

[haughty wigeon]

my cat friend swapped from cat to sin rogue

so

[torpid fiber]

amazing bait LMAO

[haughty wigeon]

take that info how you want

[pastel sierra]

I mean i wanted to play cat but sin rogue felt easier to learn

[torpid fiber]

I gotta know if that's handcrafted bait or stolen from a reddit comment

[proven ocean]

frost mage is definitely A tier i think

just because arcane exists

idk why brew is S tier tho?

@tough salmon

[torpid fiber]

wait it has the surfers at the end it's that fucko on wow forums isn't it

[proven ocean]

isnt it A tier

same with vdh

[pastel sierra]

Unless your friend has to think about like actual dmg profile shit bc theyre pushing 3500+

[proven ocean]

idk why they didnt redesign brew yet

[tough salmon]

cause it does fucking insane dps

[haughty wigeon]

brew is f8cking insane rn

[proven ocean]

it takes 10 years to pull shit

[haughty wigeon]

and its easier to not die

[proven ocean]

what

[haughty wigeon]

angry dave an actual cd too

[proven ocean]

its squishier than other tanks

??

[haughty wigeon]

compared to pre rework brew i mean

[tough salmon]

nah it actually lives now

[proven ocean]

does it?

[haughty wigeon]

and like

[tough salmon]

what brewmasters have you been playing with?

[haughty wigeon]

its so good rn

[proven ocean]

im afraid you'd ask

gangam

i know hes cooked but

[tough salmon]

gangam ...

naah

[proven ocean]

he was dying left and right

[haughty wigeon]

like i wouldnt be surprised if brew is the togo tank next season ngl

[proven ocean]

from like 1 mob sometimes

[haughty wigeon]

theres still the issue of people not knowing how to brew

since it was ignored for years

so ya

[proven ocean]

probably

[tough salmon]

I did 7.6M dps in floodgates and my flurry strikes bugged out completly

[proven ocean]

is vdh actually good btw?

[tough salmon]

on 3rd boss

[proven ocean]

i haven't seen any

[haughty wigeon]

theres gonna be alot of people dying to simple stuff just cause theyre just getting a handle on brew

[proven ocean]

like

[haughty wigeon]

want my honest opinion?

[proven ocean]

i feel like ppl are ignoring vdh

[vivid vessel]

Porsea is gonna be so mad when his spec is finally meta but he is stuck with an outlaw rogue

[haughty wigeon]

or the bias opinion

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

well im looking for honest opinions ye

[haughty wigeon]

vdh kinda fell off

not like

[vivid vessel]

You fell off

[haughty wigeon]

its weaker or anything

it just other tanks are stronger next season

[proven ocean]

that's prob gonna get nerfed right

or

cuz u guys are doing real dpser's dps

on st

[stuck sparrow]

I feel most tank mains play fotm

[proven ocean]

which is crazy ngl

[stuck sparrow]

very few stick to one

[haughty wigeon]

people like to shill vdh utility but that doesnt matter when 3-4 tanks can do almost oduble vdh damage

and have just amount defensive power

and somewhat decent utility cds

if it aint brew

[proven ocean]

honestly i'd put sub same tier as outlaw but idk if they're both b or A tier

[tough salmon]

harmony is doing cracked st, but shado pan is kinda meh on st

[haughty wigeon]

its gonna be prot thane which is insane

[vivid vessel]

Well you forget that brew raid buff is useless for the meta specs while dh buff isn't

[haughty wigeon]

if it aint prot tane

[tough salmon]

and shado pan aoe is broken

[haughty wigeon]

then its prot paladin

and finally

if it aint prot paladin

its bear

[vivid vessel]

But ye war or pal

[haughty wigeon]

:)

[vivid vessel]

Wtf is bear

[stuck sparrow]

prot thane is higher damage than colo prot?

[vivid vessel]

You are high

[haughty wigeon]

bear is so fucking sleeper man

[proven ocean]

prot warr is prob really healthy for M+ pugs

[vivid vessel]

Ye it is

[haughty wigeon]

it wont be played

[vivid vessel]

I sleep

[haughty wigeon]

obvi

cause like

3 better tank specs

[stuck sparrow]

doesnt have much “util”

[haughty wigeon]

ahead of it

but like

[stuck sparrow]

i.e cover your casters who cant kick

[tough salmon]

gn king

[haughty wigeon]

what else is new

[vivid vessel]

No

[proven ocean]

i'd be surprised if prot warr gets away with all that utility

[haughty wigeon]

no no no zeross

[proven ocean]

cheat death and whatnot idk if they removed that

[haughty wigeon]

vdh utility op

even tho thane has alot of funny stuff

[proven ocean]

u know that prot warr has like

[haughty wigeon]

and collosals

has

[proven ocean]

the old vdh length of silence

5 sec

[tough salmon]

remove cheat death from tanks

[haughty wigeon]

20 second cd knocks

[proven ocean]

or someshit

[haughty wigeon]

:)

[proven ocean]

or 6

its op af

[proper bear]

Is 1fth more ethical than 2fth?

[tough salmon]

why the fuck does it exist

just play good and dont die?

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

Idk what this means

[gaunt phoenix]

ethical?

[vivid vessel]

You take pc

Which is AOE

[haughty wigeon]

cause reasons

idk man

[stuck sparrow]

does prot warrs actually play

[haughty wigeon]

safety net

[vivid vessel]

If you don't take pc Yoh will do legit 0 aoe

[stuck sparrow]

their cheat

[torpid fiber]

if anything it's less ethical but also it has more aura

[vivid vessel]

They nerfed our AOE quite a bit so

[haughty wigeon]

im not sure if its still bugged or not

[proper bear]

Should we take gs for the boss dmg in m+ or 2fth?

[haughty wigeon]

but like

even if it was bugged

[proven ocean]

if prot warr has cheat death i think other tanks should have some sort of cheat death too

[proper bear]

What’s more ethical

[tough salmon]

bdk is the only tank that should have ceath death

[vivid vessel]

You take GS and pc

[haughty wigeon]

it wouldnt stop people fromplaying

[proven ocean]

and prot warr has the most cracked cheat death atm i think

[jade crag]

I play prot warrior

[proven ocean]

super short cd

[stuck sparrow]

i’ve seen some cursed ass prot war builds

[haughty wigeon]

cause people played vdh with a bugged talent all of season 2-3 of df

[stuck sparrow]

where they drop ravager

[haughty wigeon]

:)

[stuck sparrow]

for cheat

[proven ocean]

realistically yes but

[stuck sparrow]

like seek help

[haughty wigeon]

ya short cd

but like

[stuck sparrow]

if you drop ravager

[vivid vessel]

If you go GS + 2 fth you do 0 AOE, and if you take no GS with 2 fth and pc you will lose 10% st

[haughty wigeon]

im not sure if it works

[proven ocean]

i dislike tanks dying alot more than adding value to certain specs

[vivid vessel]

I don't think you want that either

[haughty wigeon]

im just glad i can talent out of last resort ngl

having it be the only choice for years

[vivid vessel]

I wish brew had a cheat death..

No reason at all ..

[haughty wigeon]

i think they do?

[tough salmon]

bro ...

[vivid vessel]

You do??

..

Guys

[tough salmon]

what

[keen belfry]

what does this porsea guy even know about brewmaster

probably nothing

[stuck sparrow]

cheat death is wack

[proven ocean]

what does this porsea guy even know about brewmaster
probably nothing

[vivid vessel]

Chat

[stuck sparrow]

we die like men

[haughty wigeon]

cant wait

to

[tough salmon]

Yeah I dunno im kinda new to brew

[stuck sparrow]

[haughty wigeon]

for people to shill

[vivid vessel]

This porsea guy is cooked

[haughty wigeon]

shit cheat detah trinket

thats so fucking

[vivid vessel]

Don't listen to him

[haughty wigeon]

dumb

and shit

[stuck sparrow]

anyone remembwr

[keen belfry]

i bet porsea doesnt even cleanse his stagger LMAO

[haughty wigeon]

and dio

double cheat death memes again

[stuck sparrow]

when vdh playes ran last resort+scales

[haughty wigeon]

:)

[haughty wigeon]

ya the good ol

[tough salmon]

losing red stagger is dps loss?

[proven ocean]

im getting gangam flashbacks

[tough salmon]

ofc I dont cleanse

[vivid vessel]

Lmao cleansing your stagger in the big 2025 who does that

[stuck sparrow]

atp idk who is more boosted

[haughty wigeon]

i lose 30% offensive and defensive special

[stuck sparrow]

s2 title augs

or s3 title vdhs

[keen belfry]

porsea

wanna know what zac told me

[vivid vessel]

Tf

[keen belfry]

im not supposed to tell you thi

[tough salmon]

zac what did you tell him

[haughty wigeon]

for double cheat death that is only niche is one situation

[vivid vessel]

Idk man

What did I tell you

[keen belfry]

tomelvis: dont tell porsea but i was really hoping he took longer vacations

[vivid vessel]

[tough salmon]

theres no way

[keen belfry]

[vivid vessel]

Real message

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Not altered in any way

[tough salmon]

screenshot right now

[vivid vessel]

I concur

[tough salmon]

oiiowegpergafa

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

thats screenshotted from this chat

[keen belfry]

no its not

[proven ocean]

learning gaslighting from me i see

nice try tho

3/10 for effort

[keen belfry]

i know everything about gaslighting dont talk to me about gaslighting

[proven ocean]

first of all its reacted with omegalul

2nd of all it isn't highlighted blue which means someone else reacted to it

[proven ocean]

so that means it wasn't in dm's

nope

thats right now

7:09

[proven ocean]

0/10 rating down from 3/10

-10/10 now

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

dude atleast hide the time

MasterGaslighter69XD

awang

u might be the best outlaw in NA

but

gaslighting wise

ur cooked

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[vapid sundial]

Awiener

[proven ocean]

rekyr

you are how

?

[vapid sundial]

I'm how what

Huh

[keen belfry]

you are how is actually a sick question

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOL

[dense bolt]

[keen belfry]

EU guys isnt it like 4 am in your area

i was just tehre

i know ur timezones

[proven ocean]

ye

it is

[vivid vessel]

2

[dense bolt]

2:12

l2p

[proven ocean]

BAD GASLIGHTING

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[proven ocean]

im the one living here

not you

[proven ocean]

noobs

[pliant wind]

l2h

[proven ocean]

[vapid sundial]

Were you asking how I am

[proven ocean]

??????????

wdym eww

wtf

yes i wasd

was

[vapid sundial]

I need to cut nails

Making typing hard

I'm doing good

[proven ocean]

it makes you hard? wtf

oh

makes u type hard

i see

[vapid sundial]

You

[proven ocean]

ye cut them

You

dont You me and run away

what the cow

?

[vapid sundial]

I said

You

As on

I'm good

You?

[proven ocean]

oh

i need to pee

[vapid sundial]

So pee

It's free

[proven ocean]

ok ok

brb

[vapid sundial]

Piss your pants

[proven ocean]

no u have to pay

flushing toilet

water price

oh

unless u drink it then thats free true

brb

[vapid sundial]

I swear my nails grow faster now that I'm not playing wow

But yeah I'm good.
Finally watching Dexter after all these years bc need something to do.

[proven ocean]

did uwatch

resurrection yet

dont watch it till its finished if u can

like

legit best show ever

9.2 imdb rating

no cappi

[quaint mauve]

i cant wait for patch, anyways look at this dude get shit on

[proven ocean]

what the helly

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[covert kestrel]

tf is this roblox

[quaint mauve]

yes

[vapid sundial]

Ep 5 season 1

[proven ocean]

ye

i finished it earlier today

good episode

[vapid sundial]

No of

Original

Never watched any

[proven ocean]

why

are you

typing like me

its impossible to read

plz stop

[upper surge]

ok

i mback

[vapid sundial]

HAHHH

[proven ocean]

wb liaras

[vapid sundial]

I type like this more

[upper surge]

nvm i aint readin all that

[vapid sundial]

On phone

[proven ocean]

are u fapping + typing

or what

[vapid sundial]

Yeah

Fr

Goon

[proven ocean]

[vapid sundial]

@late swallow

On call with

[proven ocean]

GoonMaster69Xd

[strong halo]

@proven ocean what rogue spec do you identify as? I thought you were verified outlaw hater

[vapid sundial]

Huh

[proven ocean]

why did u @ me with zeross

??

[vapid sundial]

Ross prefers outlaw

[proven ocean]

thats not what i identify as

wtf

im blocking you

forever

[vapid sundial]

What

[proven ocean]

yes

you have to @outlaw if u wanna talk to me

noob

only outlaw

no cappi

@strong halo say my name

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw been whack bc of KS for so long

[strong halo]

ZAC JR

[vapid sundial]

People forgot our roots

[proven ocean]

Zac's Master

[proven ocean]

fr fr

best er bug abuser in the game

title claimed from gingi and casualaddict

[vapid sundial]

I used to be good at outlaw
The old days

[strong halo]

Casual doesn’t play outlaw too hard for him

[proven ocean]

he does

hes good at it too

[strong halo]

Wait really!? I haven’t seen it on stream

[proven ocean]

he plays outlaw almost everyday nowadays

its just that outlaw sucked hard before

so no one really wanted to play it

now its acceptable

its not good by any means

i think if it ever feels good to play you'll see alot of ppl playing it alot more

favorable spec by the community generally

[keen belfry]

this emote is so good wtf

[proven ocean]

honestly

[pliant wind]

is a very fun spec

[proven ocean]

i think the community likes outlaw more than any spec in the game

its just that its in a really terrible state to play

that people just refuse to play it

i know alot of u guys weren't here in bfa

but u have no idea how popular this spec was

because of how good the design was

[lime lake]

the triple rogue meta

pog

[proven ocean]

ye

[pliant wind]

rogue in bfa poh

pog

[lime lake]

the good ole days

[proven ocean]

we get some nice iterations every now and then but

they aren't close to bfa outlaw

[strong halo]

Imo it’s the most fun spec I’ve played

And I’m a mage convert

[proven ocean]

ye alot of ppl agree

sad to just see it go

s1 DF outlaw pre fth nerf was rly nice too

they just ruined the entire flow for no reason

[strong halo]

Bro I tried Hunter again class I played for like 10 years how do people play these boring specs

[pliant wind]

i liked the buffed pistol shot

bte and pistol shot iterations

[proven ocean]

shit liek this just makes me sad ngl

u know these videos where ppl say

how wow was so amazing back then

and ppl played it alot

its crazy that its literally outlaw the only spec that has that connection

of being extremely liked by the community

and suddenly just completely ruined

current outlaw is nice i like it but it does feel absolutely incomplete

fix killing spree more like

[torpid fiber]

I hated pre-nerf fth I really disliked how it felt like combo points didn't matter 😔

[proven ocean]

why is it long as fuck and why is the dmg profile of ks so shit

[strong halo]

I’m gna be controversial but season 2 would have been fine if KS wasn’t so stupid

[proven ocean]

like

its split aoe dmg

kinda cringe

[pastel sierra]

How does the 3min killing spree feel btw

I liked the vanish >ks >vanish looping

[proven ocean]

worse imo but idk

i like live's ks cd more

but

[pliant wind]

yeah

[proven ocean]

newer ks is better tho

[vivid vessel]

Rotation feels a bit less crowded like you can hold vanish etc it's cool

[strong halo]

But live Ks is cancer and responsible for 75% of my deaths

[covert heart]

I dont mind the new ks at all

[pliant wind]

i liked s2 ks more too

[vivid vessel]

But you lose uptime on fazed so it's cringe for coup since if your target dies or you swap target you want have fazed to coup

[covert heart]

but i started playing outlaw like a month ago

[proven ocean]

outlaw is again tuned around tier set

as usual

i find that to be a major issue that they never wish to solve lmao

s3 DF tier set

omg why not make it baseline

and now

s2 DF

omg why not make it baseline

now we get s3 DF

which like

works because it got giga buffed

and its worse imo but

we keep getting tier sets that work around the spec

instead of actually fixing outlaw's real problems

like why does mage get a rework to make the entire spec feel flavorable and not reliant on a tier set to feel good

like

idk

its not just that

mage gets a rework literally every tier

not just that

multiple reworks

not 1

[strong halo]

I think mage designer loves and plays the spec

[proven ocean]

they get multiple reworks

each tier

not 1

its crazy

[strong halo]

Well to be fair

Arcane was crazy broken

[proven ocean]

we dont even get 1

[lime lake]

mages are the main character so

it is what it is

[white marten]

Facts

[strong halo]

2348 rules and things to track for arcane barrage and bugs

[white marten]

Let’s all roll Arcane

[proven ocean]

?

i think ur missing something here

max tier list on ptr btw

its S tier on both raid and M+ again

x

d

d

[strong halo]

Is this new one

[proven ocean]

yes

[white marten]

Not really. Just barrage when the add on tells you to

[pastel sierra]

Theyre redoing it still i think

[proven ocean]

OMG SURPRISE MAGE IS THE BEST SPEC IN M+ LOOK

its crazy

[upper surge]

lets find outlaw

[proven ocean]

how they get that much love

and we get 0

no cappi

what the helly

now that i think about it

outlaw not only needs a whole rework

but an entire redesign

just make a new spec

from scratch

[strong halo]

Idk I don’t fully agree if you look at mage over past 2-3 seasons it’s always S tier because of utility but not dmg. It never ever ever tops dmg meters just has good funnel

[proven ocean]

dude

u realize that funnel is "dmg"

by that

it does the highest dps out of all specs in the game in m+

if u look at it mathematically that is

and not "details"

[pastel sierra]

Either full redesign or figure out a way to decouple it from permanent uptime and vanish

[strong halo]

In PTR?

[pastel sierra]

Which isnt hard

[proven ocean]

evilshotty

arcane has giga funnel

[strong halo]

Yeah agreed

[proven ocean]

ptr and live

same thing

op

but

that makes them just automatically way stronger than everyone

its not just giga funnel

it has giga overall too

xdd

not like giga giga but its op

if u add funnel into consideration it has the best dps profile

[strong halo]

I mean, live it’s like giga funnel but overall get gapped by 10 specs. Is funnel only dmg that matters?

[proven ocean]

in high keys because as u well may know low keys dont mean shit, u need 1 spec with funnel

and usually mage is the best on most situations because it can burst its funnel in a small short window

without needing shit to live

[strong halo]

I mean I guess just gouging your perspective on live what’s what more broken UH dk or arcane mage

[proven ocean]

arcane by a long shot

[blazing bloom]

if you have AR on CD, but the buff is currently active as well.. do you press the button to refresh your combo points OR do you sit on it and wait to press it after the buff is gone to acheive higher AR uptime?

[proven ocean]

its not even close

arcane is easily the most broken spec in live atm

bloodbeast udk pre nerf definitely stronger but not anymore

[glass mortar]

you use it to generate when low on cp

[gaunt phoenix]

you generally AR on CD, but if you are expected time out of melee you can hold it

[pastel sierra]

Press UNLESS you got downtime coming up

[glass mortar]

even if u have the buff

[proven ocean]

and btw

ptr udk is giga broken

stronger than live udk

[glass mortar]

ud only hold if u were planning for downtime

[proven ocean]

crazy right?

[strong halo]

I get what you’re saying but if you remove funnel prio it’s legit the most dogshit dps in game

[proven ocean]

they cap udk

and

they make it stronger than live

[blazing bloom]

what is generally considered good AR uptime?

[craggy barn]

90%+

80%+ is fine

[proven ocean]

its not bad no

even without funnel its fine

[craggy barn]

in m+

[strong halo]

What

[proven ocean]

its not giga good but its fine

[strong halo]

It gets gapped by live 10 specs lmao

[frail veldt]

Looks fine to me

[proven ocean]

ahead of boomkin in some keys

so

[strong halo]

ML is technically the best key for mage

[lime lake]

yeah but thats just some randoms they probably arent even playing well

[strong halo]

Show priory now

And see how mage is like 1-2M behind

[proven ocean]

except if u dont bring the mage u lose probably 5 min timer

in priory

because of how funnel intensive that key is

xd

[pastel sierra]

You do know that big number on dps meter doesnt matter if you cant clear the key

[keen belfry]

i hate the argument "if u remove what its really good at its bad"

like obvi cuh

[proven ocean]

theres no if and if

all if's are cooked

dont if anything in wow

[strong halo]

I get your point, just feels weird to me that a spec that is perma in 3rd place on the meters is most broken

[proven ocean]

x

d

d

u cant time any of those keys without arcane

[strong halo]

But that just the way timing keys works these days, prio dmg makes keys timeable

[proven ocean]

+22 cinderbrew

+22 ToP

+23 ML

all of those keys

you have 0% chance of timing them

without arcane

[strong halo]

Yeah, even in PTR yoda brought an arcane mage that did like 1M less overall but they timed the key 3 mins faster

[proven ocean]

if you dont understand how crazy funnel dmg gains you time theres no possible way for me to explain it because u need to play the game alot to see how it works

[neat mist]

Crazy that mobs have different health values

So weird...

[haughty wigeon]

i hope people realize that tho

[proven ocean]

ye a giant should have same hp as a rat in motherlode

i agree

[haughty wigeon]

instead of going "overal big means good"

[neat mist]

[haughty wigeon]

when specific types of damage matter

more than just aoe pad

[strong halo]

I get your point but I think the average person doesn’t understand that. So when people say mage broken, they just want a flat nerf nuke. And if it’s not doing funnel and trash tier dmg what’s the point of the class

[frail veldt]

If you remove bladeflurry then outlaw is bad in m+

If you remove bleeds then assa is bad

[proven ocean]

xdddddddddddddd

if u remove funnel arcane is bad

xddddddddddddddd

[keen belfry]

if u remove aoe from KS its ST

[strong halo]

That’s it’s only purpose tho

[frail veldt]

LOLOL

[frail veldt]

Yes that's how the game works

[proven ocean]

wemo

[frail veldt]

Some specs are good because of one thing

[proven ocean]

i didnt know

ur here

tonight

[frail veldt]

Some specs are good cuz of many things

I am here

I'm about to cook dinner

[haughty wigeon]

ive made spgetty

and steak

with sauce

[keen belfry]

this is just u not undersatanding overall dmg is a pretty misleading metric no?

[lime lake]

wtf share

[proven ocean]

wait

he put outlaw in A tier

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

thats giga cooked

ok

maybe its A catually

[frail veldt]

That's how some specs work

[proven ocean]

but

it needs fixes maybe

[frail veldt]

Also it's in 3rd place to two other S tier specs

[strong halo]

I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. IMO.

[frail veldt]

So it's not like it's overall is bad

Your metric is just wrong

[dense bolt]

ban ! @vivid vessel he plays to much with zorthas on ptr

[haughty wigeon]

no

my spegetty

[frail veldt]

Well that's my point I think yours is too...

[pastel sierra]

Dont start mewo

[proven ocean]

wemo is cooked

careful when u talk to him

no cappi

[strong halo]

Arcane mage still loses to alot of other specs in overall

[pastel sierra]

He argued semantics with me for like 4hrs

[frail veldt]

And yet it's played over those specs

[proven ocean]

ye i know right

[frail veldt]

Because overall is not the most important

[proven ocean]

he always pretends he has PhD in everything

[torpid fiber]

you gotta be willing to argue semantics for the love of the game of arguing

[proven ocean]

like

when i told him KS is AoE

he believed me 3 times and unbelieved me 3 times

all in 1 hr

[frail veldt]

Well you lied to me

[keen belfry]

and once again cuh, who cares overall is bad numer!!! omg u blasted patrons in cinderbrew WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[proven ocean]

i didnt

[haughty wigeon]

you can tell a good ret paladin from a bad one with one easy metric

[proven ocean]

noob

[haughty wigeon]

how much final verdict is used :)

[proven ocean]

ur just getting gaslighted by zac

[frail veldt]

Bro I tested it myself

[proven ocean]

mewo

[frail veldt]

Zac was asleep

[torpid fiber]

their username?

[proven ocean]

we all know u argue for no reason

[keen belfry]

zorthas wanted to move it up i think

[frail veldt]

I'd argue with this but then I feel like I'd be proving your point

[strong halo]

Unironically. On my mage I’ve gotten that in cinberbrew after finishing 1st room. “Mage overall low dmg gg”

[proven ocean]

ye i know i played with him yesterday

was talking to him abouti it abit

[proven ocean]

ty ty

that means KS aoe

but btw

[keen belfry]

yes overall damage is bad numbe who cares they are losing to a ret paladin in overall dmg. overall dmg is thought to be good cuz = faster key, but prio = faster key

[proven ocean]

enh is like

giga op if it has PI

if it has PI it goes to A tier

easily

but

like

if they buff it

to A tier

• pi they become S tier

but

if they buff it to S tier

then its giga ass S tier with pi like s1 tww

[neat mist]

but what if they buff it to S+ tier

[strong halo]

I’m 100% with you and agree, but playing arcane mage for a while I can’t tell you how many times I gotten flamed on overall vs boomy / dk / lock

[neat mist]

• PI

Singularity or what

[pastel sierra]

What key level

[next wedge]

guys theres buffs on ptr for me only

[strong halo]

15-17

[next wedge]

they buffed mintfresh

[neat mist]

Bro, people flamed Augs for overall when it came out

[proven ocean]

[neat mist]

You gotta ignore the morons

[minor trellis]

i think outlaw A is appropriate tbh, especially with them moving more of the sandbagged classes up

[proven ocean]

ye i agree too

[keen belfry]

if u are WAY below them the flmae is OK, but if they flame u and dont know hwat they are talking about just ignore it cuz they suck

[proven ocean]

i did play with zorthar yesterday

i did more dps than him usually and he had pi

which was kinda crazy no cappi

[strong halo]

Bro 1st rooms of cinderbrew / prio mage is going to be wayyy under

[proven ocean]

prob can do way more if i play outlaw 1-2 more days

[strong halo]

Locks open up at like 40M

[proven ocean]

@dense bolt gn

chat no gn for you today

noobs

[pastel sierra]

[glass mortar]

noob

[keen belfry]

hopeful after first room and boss!!!

[pastel sierra]

But mage bad

[keen belfry]

BAD!!!

[pastel sierra]

Cause no 4gajillion opener

For half a second on my details

[keen belfry]

buff arcane they are basically tartget capped at 5

[proven ocean]

I miss jpc’s streams

But they’ll prob never happen again

[strong halo]

Let me pulll up the Mdi one

[frail veldt]

It was like that in s2

But still no one played destro

[proven ocean]

Honestly