#outlaw

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craggy barn
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theres only 3 shows on imdb for 2025

frail veldt
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Yeah Trinity killer plot line was decent

craggy barn
white marten
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Tf

craggy barn
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lol

jolly geyser
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the pitt is good

frail veldt
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The pitt is 8.9....

proven ocean
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wtf is that tangerine show

white marten
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The butt

proven ocean
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how 9.1

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?!?!

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also

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pitt

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what is that about

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finished

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or

frail veldt
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Er

proven ocean
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still goin

craggy barn
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looks like a k-drama

proven ocean
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Er

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so like

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its for

frail veldt
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The pitt is not a k drama lol

white marten
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K-dramas are good

proven ocean
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mom's show

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or

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ppl that dont play games

craggy barn
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the tangerine show mewo

proven ocean
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right

jolly geyser
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s2 in start of 2026

white marten
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U guys should watch k dramas

proven ocean
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guys

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pitt

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good bad

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?

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quick

jolly geyser
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good

white marten
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Its good

proven ocean
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ok

jolly geyser
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has gore

proven ocean
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but

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how would u rate it

white marten
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Great k drama

proven ocean
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out of 10

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k drana

craggy barn
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if u like hospital shit

jolly geyser
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8-9

craggy barn
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surgery stuff

proven ocean
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hopsital shit

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wtf

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why would i shit pospitals

white marten
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U can take shits in hospitals

craggy barn
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get ur stool checked

frail veldt
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I watched the devil's plan it's a Korean game show it's pretty good

white marten
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They have bathrooms

proven ocean
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how can a hospiotal shot be 8.9

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what the cow

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shjow*

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ow

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-j

white marten
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Head over heels k drama is 8.9/10

craggy barn
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people like their ER style shows

proven ocean
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oh

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ER

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=

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emergency room

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i was like

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is he erring

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to think

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or

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but then

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i realized

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ER = Emeergyocy room

craggy barn
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gj bud

proven ocean
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ty

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no cappi tho

white marten
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ER?? Like Greys anatomy?

jolly geyser
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no

proven ocean
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no

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guys

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what other good show

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should i watchy

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?

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2024 best show

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or

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202023

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?

cinder relic
proven ocean
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its on topic

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!

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outlaw tv shows

viscid swan
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Gossip girl is fire

upbeat tundra
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Here’s a summary of what Zeross is saying (with some translation from chaos to coherence):

🔍 Main Point:
Zeross is blown away that a TV show in 2025 has a 9.2 rating on IMDb (or similar).

He says that's insanely high, especially for a show that’s not even finished yet.

He doesn’t recall any recent show in the last few years getting above a 9.

📺 Side conversations:
People mention older high-rated shows like Game of Thrones, Dexter, and the Trinity Killer arc.

Zeross jokes about being “careful” if your girlfriend likes Dexter (because, well, it's about a serial killer).

They bring up The Pitt, a highly rated show (8.9), and Zeross is confused about how a hospital show can be rated so highly.

He doesn’t realize at first that “ER” means “Emergency Room” — thinks people are just saying “er...” like they're hesitating.

Once he figures it out, he feels proud of himself (“gj bud” from zomb).

🤯 Zeross reactions:
"wtf is that tangerine show?" – confused by other high-rated stuff on IMDb.

Shocked that non-gaming, hospital-themed shows (which he calls “mom shows”) are that popular.

Wants quick feedback: “pitt – good bad? quick.”

Ends by asking for recommendations for best shows from 2024 or 2023, then gets told to move it to off-topic.

🧠 TL;DR:
Zeross is spiraling because a show in 2025 has a 9.2 rating, which he finds wild. He’s skeptical of how certain genres (especially hospital dramas) get such high scores and wants to know what else is worth watching. Chaos ensues.

proven ocean
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wtf

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???

upbeat tundra
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you typing a single word per line for 100 lines is only able to be summarized by an AI

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cause who the fuck is reading all that

craggy barn
upbeat tundra
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type like a human

craggy barn
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bro u just put zeross into an AI

upbeat tundra
neat mist
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He can't type like a human

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'cause then his APM would be too low

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too much downtime, y'know

proven ocean
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@wemo

golden epoch
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Anyone here that plays Outlaw Rogue M+ to a level where they get M+ title (or close) , actually like Roll the Bones and Keep it Rolling abilities?

neat mist
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Has to spam the Enter key

proven ocean
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did u write

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this

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or

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?

upbeat tundra
frail veldt
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Lololol

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Wasn't me

proven ocean
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not youy?

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wtf

frail veldt
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I have no alt accounts

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I say everything I think

proven ocean
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i thoguht it was you but i guess it was really ai

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what hte helly

craggy barn
cinder relic
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I think anybody playing outlaw at a high level enjoys rtb

craggy barn
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i doubt people would push r1 if they hated the class they played

cinder relic
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Just like, if you didn't like the ability at all you would just play a more meta spec lol

blissful zinc
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Is it just me or the higher key ypu push the more damage u do with same gear

craggy barn
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like hell, fuckin ellesmere forces holy paladin in r1 keys

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yes, more damage uptime

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and pulling better

blissful zinc
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I doubled my dps only cuz higher keys

craggy barn
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cuz mobs live longer, and damage isnt getting sniped

livid kindle
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yo guys skipped s2 how does outlaw look on ptr ?

craggy barn
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u lose damage against big burst classes that obliterate ur targets

blissful zinc
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Oooh okay

craggy barn
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like in low keys (10s) u can just out damage everyone bc ur sniping all the kills

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but everything has less health

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so ur overall will be lower than at higher keys

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when things have more health

blissful zinc
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Also the uptime of adr is better in higher keys

dawn talon
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kir might be my favourite spell in the game lol

random stirrup
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it sounds to be like you just improved

glass mortar
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cds scale harder with key level cause at certain levels of gear, u kill packs so quick u cant even get value from ur full cds (especially if ur overlapping with the randos in ur group)

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when pulls get longer and more organized cd specs gain a toooon

blissful zinc
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Makes so much sense now

balmy topaz
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
golden epoch
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So if the spec was re-worked to the extent that roll the bones and keep it rolling were gone, or were totally unrecognisable abilities just with the same name, there would be some push back / up roar?!

craggy barn
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shrug, depends on what the replacement is

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if its just straight up removal then yea uproar

golden epoch
craggy barn
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like if RTB was replaced with Shiv for instance, that didnt provide anything interesting, yes

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uproar

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what even is the point of an upkeep button if its just straight up uninteresting

craggy barn
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or if RTB went back to SND

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that would be terrible

golden epoch
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Was the preferred re-work of killing spree that it remain the same, but you have invulnerability or something to stop the move from killing you? Or are people in general happy with the edited move (if you have tested it on the ptr)?

craggy barn
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i dont think being invuln wouldve solved other issues old KS had (camera jerky movement, and forced uncontrolled movement in general isnt that great to deal with)

craggy quiver
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Hell no I don't want old ks back

craggy barn
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the only consensus issue ive seen people really have with new KS is the length

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and minorly, not being able to kick during it

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channels in general arent what people want but its better than old ks

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as to some it feels counter to the overal feel of the current outlaw feel

craggy quiver
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Maybe havent tried it so

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In ptr lol

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I'll see it when it's live

craggy barn
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i think its fine when i tried it, its definitely a huge step up from old KS

cinder relic
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It's legit just, SS Ps to build bte in crackshot and that's kinda it

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Half expecting the bte stuff to get shelved next expac anyway

craggy quiver
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Nooooo

craggy barn
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RTB has a level of interactibility with the way outlaw plays rn that u cant just replace it

craggy quiver
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Isn't no rtb just combat rogue

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When did they add rtb

craggy barn
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legion

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prepatch

cinder relic
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No combat had insight

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And no Ps

craggy barn
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revealing strike

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pepw

craggy quiver
craggy barn
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combat is very different to hwo outlaw is now, and is comparatively very simple

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#1 damage being melee strikes

mighty pivot
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all specs back then were simple compared to now

white marten
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Bring back combat

craggy quiver
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You can play mop

white marten
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Ew

craggy barn
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i think the jump from combat to outlaw is much bigger than other specs

cinder relic
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I mean legion had a lot of spec overhauls

craggy quiver
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Can't wait for new ks, I'm so done dying to KS

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It actually made me stop playing lol

cinder relic
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Demo survival and outlaw were fully reimagined. Even shit like sub was totally remade

craggy quiver
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I feel for the most part outlaw feels good to play. I hope they don't change too much next expac

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Maybe hero talents

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Imo

agile orchid
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people crying about combat rogue or old survival hunter are so cringe

craggy quiver
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Crackshot is my fav outlaw play style so far

fathom bramble
magic shuttle
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It's also one of the rogue abilities that has a sick animation

latent oak
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the sounds of it is very nice aswell

fathom bramble
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one of the things about having unique stuff on your spec is that people who do not like that unique thing will point to it as a problem

magic shuttle
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Ye

latent oak
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its survivorship bias right

fathom bramble
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at the end of the day I think some people try to turn a spec into one they would like when there is already another one they enjoy and can play instead

craggy barn
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the uninitiated can point to RTB as being a huge source of randomness to the spec and that it has to go
but completely miss the level of interactivity and impact it has on how the spec plays overall and its outcome

fathom bramble
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an important thing to consider in a game as diverse as WoW with so many ways to play and so many specs to pick from is that not everything in the game is for everyone

craggy barn
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this current version of RTB is so much better than what it was in legion

fathom bramble
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only because the buffs are actually tuned

cinder relic
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Cp rtb was better Tomfoolery

craggy barn
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stfu guy

latent oak
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i liked it no cap

fathom bramble
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finisher RTB would be better if the buffs were actually tuned properly

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imagine the current RTB with legion RTB buff tuning

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you just sit on dogshit buffs for 15-20 seconds

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over and over

latent oak
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if old rtb didnt consume supercharger

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and still generated it

magic shuttle
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Cto really helps with rtb stuff

craggy barn
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idk i dont like needing to build to an upkeep button regardless of what it gives

magic shuttle
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It was the saving grace conduit in Shadowlands

craggy barn
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like needing to build into RTB to get supercharge, then needing to build for actual damaging finishers to utilize supercharger just seems too much

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51 steps to press a damage finisher

craggy quiver
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Would you guys be down if they made bf a cooldown again

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And uncap it or something

latent oak
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na

fathom bramble
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understandable, but I still think most of the frustration for most players was really caused by the buffs being horribly tuned

craggy barn
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yes, at the time the buffs being bad made it wrose

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bc u sat on not presing anything for a while when u got bad luck

fathom bramble
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if you only had to roll once or twice to get an acceptable result especially post-loaded dice then no one would really care

craggy barn
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sure, but i think comparing a better finisher RTB to the current one
the current one is much more preferable for the faster paced playstyle

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like i can see the potential pain points in a finisher RTB in current era

it makes it much more annoying to time reapplying RTB

fathom bramble
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I think it's mostly a problem with how it could interact with crackshot

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definitely our current stuff is more designed around an instant and free RTB

vivid vessel
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i think

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we need cto

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to be more prevalent

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on ptr i have been really getting frustrated

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going into a pack

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adr ld roll

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you roll like bt something

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and its over

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you do no damage the whole pack

fathom bramble
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I liked cto better when it was just a ton of buffs during stealth instead of a few buffs all the time

vivid vessel
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idk

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i think we just need more cto

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especially with kir

fathom bramble
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when you somewhat reliably got 6 from dance

vivid vessel
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i shouldnt be sitting on kir a whole pack

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for example

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that shouldnt be possible to happen

craggy barn
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oh shit

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max is revisting the tier list

glass mortar
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cto shouldnt go away when u rtb

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unless u roll the same buff

fathom bramble
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like it use to besad

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I still don't understand why it was changed when it was made into a conduit

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could have just stayed the same as the tierset

proven ocean
fathom bramble
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that one the buffs stayed when you rolled as long as they didn't overlap with new buffs

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or sometimes rolled themselves into new buffs

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it was weird

dense bridge
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why does grappling hook randomly just eat a charge of it and not work

glass mortar
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ive honestly toyed with the idea that kir should give u buffs when its pressed

fathom bramble
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grappling hook snaps if there is a piece of terrain or an object between you and the target even if that obstruction does not normally block line of sight

glass mortar
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so u dont need to fish for 4

vivid vessel
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i think it should just lock the buffs

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and you can roll

glass mortar
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i havent settled on a good version of it tho

fathom bramble
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jumping or playing a taller race can reduce the likelyhood of hook snapping

vivid vessel
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so you wouldnt be fishing

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you would press on 3

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which always happen

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then roll

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till you get more

dense bridge
vivid vessel
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that would be a better middle ground than rn

fathom bramble
glass mortar
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yea i mean i think it gets more interesting if u just like

fathom bramble
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I changed to tauren when they first added the bug

glass mortar
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delete this whole container nonsense in the background

fathom bramble
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knowing that it is los through terrain or an object can let you kind of play around it though

glass mortar
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make it so RtB is its own buffs it will remove other RtB buffs when pressed

fathom bramble
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just gotta be aware of what might bloc kit

glass mortar
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CtO buffs last until they expire or get overwritten by a longer buff

craggy barn
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i hate that u cant pre adr+rtb raid bosses anymore, it just feels jank having to wait for the perfect timing

glass mortar
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KiR does the same

jolly geyser
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I miss when hook broke gravity

fathom bramble
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what if Keep it rolling was a passive that made your roll the bones buffs never get removed 🤔

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and you just cast RTB over and over

glass mortar
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that way u could kinda just spam reroll after pressing kir depending on how many buffs it overwrote

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would synergize with supercharger

vivid vessel
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you are perma 6 buff then

fathom bramble
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yes

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it is

vivid vessel
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whats the pioint

fathom bramble
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to turn RTB into a demon key that you press every 7 seconds for SC

cinder relic
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Kir should be turned into a passive garf_sit

craggy barn
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what if the RTB dice actualy HIT your targets???

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they fall down and make noise

pine vessel
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!wa

vivid vessel
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idk i did a dawnbreaker earlier

mossy shell
# vivid vessel we need cto

they need to make the odds from the current 4-set baseline 🙁 it's just not fun rolling and hoping for buffs, does anyone actually enjoy the rng?

vivid vessel
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and i didnt get a 4 buff

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till first boss

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idk

cinder relic
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Every tier set that augments rtb in some way people ask to make baseline PEPW

craggy barn
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ok what if, KIR just gave u full buff spread but was the equivalent to a 2minute CD

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🙂

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or 130

mossy shell
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it's just so unfun getting one buff, rtb is better being a generator worth pressing all the time

blissful zinc
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and -cd for each cp spent 😄

pine vessel
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Before I make this WA. I was wondering if anyone already had a WA based off of the vanish bte window priority. Vanish followed by Between the Eyes at 6 or more combo points while Adrenaline Rush is active AND ANY 1 of the following conditions is met. Adrenaline Rush has 3 or less seconds remaining. Vanish has 15 seconds remaining on overcapping. Between the Eyes is on cooldown AND Ruthless Precision is active. Supercharger is active.

fathom bramble
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like just gave you 45 seconds of every buff but had an effective CD of 2minutes?

craggy barn
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ye

fathom bramble
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so like 10 minutes base cooldown lol

craggy barn
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yep

glass mortar
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me when outlaw cds

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i think i like zacs idea the best tho

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like u want to get some ok buffs going into ur kir window but ur kir buff window is a window to spam RtB to get better buffs until uve overwritten everything

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or maybe make it so u cant even overwrite just for the duration of those buffs

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so u have a ~30s window of spamming RtB on cd before u go back to normal

cinder relic
dense bridge
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i hope they bring back dreadblades and buff blade rush

cinder relic
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It's an idea I've floated around based on the fact warrior has one for the multiple conditions that execute has

limpid vortex
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I think rogue needs another melee DPS spec

cinder relic
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Dreadblades was a shit button off blades, and really stupid on blades

limpid vortex
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Preferably dual wielding

jolly geyser
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Nah,2h rogue

fathom bramble
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dreadblades is just not that interesting of a button on its own

pine vessel
fathom bramble
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remove all combo point management instantly

frail veldt
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I have a WA that does parts of it

glass mortar
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DB is just boring

frail veldt
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like my vanish glows when I have RP up

fathom bramble
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essentially degraded everything into alternating between dispatch and SS

glass mortar
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if ur gunna give me guarenteed CP gen like that give me buttons to press ogcd for it

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AR gen feels so fun

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better replacement for DB if more minor

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i wish ghostly just gave me a full CP bar instead of this damage amp thing

craggy barn
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combine ghostly with MFD

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🙂

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make it more worthy of capstone slot

pine vessel
dense bridge
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well i guess what i really want is a more versatile spec tree instead being locked into being a bte mage

cinder relic
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Probably wants something similar for outlaw

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Would honestly be a good idea

frail veldt
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Yeah I think I had a couple combined for a while

latent oak
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arcane has barrage condition wa aswell i think

frail veldt
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I think the only issue with combining them

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is you dont know when its about to happen

hardy vault
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i saw a dev have a "dont engulf" / "engulf now" text WA too

frail veldt
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like you should track it in a way such that youre CLOSE to hitting conditions

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so you can predict it

cinder relic
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Well you would design the weakauras with some amount of leway

latent oak
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did they remove prey on the weak for every rogue spec btw

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oh im dumb we sitll have it

frail veldt
latent oak
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its just behind float

frail veldt
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so my PS for example glows if I have broadside active

cinder relic
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No weakaura that does this is perfect but with so many random conditionals it streamlines it a lot

frail veldt
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and my bte glows wehn I have rp active

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so for the vanish condition you'd only really need to maybe glow if you have adr active

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since supercharger is very visible on cps

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so you know if vanish is glowing you just check your bte button/cps

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and that would be all you need

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hows trickster performing in ST compared to Fatebound next season?

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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
frail veldt
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oh nvm its in here

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thought it wasnt for some reason lol

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yikes 9% behind

craggy barn
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how many pure st we got in raid

frail veldt
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3 ish

craggy barn
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fractalis is at least 1 right

frail veldt
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some have very little ads

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or theyre spread

lime lake
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first boss is basically st

cinder relic
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Plexus, loom, fract

lime lake
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some adds in intermission that are spread around or some shit

craggy barn
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for hectic add cleave, how often does it throw adds into the sim

lime lake
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loom orbs count as adds but most of the fight is st

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and uh

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dimensius might not really have adds

frail veldt
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so its a rather st raid overall

cinder relic
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?

hardy vault
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8 boss raid

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3 st

craggy barn
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i wonder how much damage u lose if there was a sim where adds show up for like 5 seconds and go away

frail veldt
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I guess last season felt very cleavy

craggy barn
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on fatebound

frail veldt
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I only ran fatebound on sprocket and couldron

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and even couldron was cleave

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in theory

craggy barn
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cauldron had a long enough cleave time where it felt fb wasnt the play

frail veldt
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I think every fight had some relevant cleave except for sprocket right?

craggy barn
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mugzee technically had fake cleave

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but it ate into fb damage

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bc invuln

frail veldt
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mugzee had multiple points of cleave yeah

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not that relevant but they were there

craggy barn
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like i think if the inlvun wasnt there fb wouldnt be bad

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since the rocketeer doesnt live that long

frail veldt
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yeah last season was pretty cleavy

craggy barn
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tails only drops damage if u have bf active right?

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or is it always AOE

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i forget

frail veldt
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its not tails

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its your dispatches

fathom bramble
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always from nearby enemies

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it's both

frail veldt
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I thought it was this part

glass mortar
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theres two nodes that turn off mewo

frail veldt
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that was the reason

glass mortar
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🙂

craggy barn
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ah that too

fathom bramble
frail veldt
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aaaaaaaaaah

glass mortar
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xd

lime lake
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well designed hero tree btw

craggy barn
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yea if this was tied to BF being active then there could be justification to bring FB on fights where pure ST is important even if adds exist

frail veldt
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oh thatd be cool

craggy barn
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like u could bgring fbv on mugzee

frail veldt
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but wouldnt translate for assa

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so they cant do it

craggy barn
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if it was just based on BF

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yea

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well if u didnt play caustic

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lol

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like they have to weirdly tie to cleave enabling things i guess

lime lake
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or we could just not have weird anti prio talents

craggy barn
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ye

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but if they must, i think tying it to bf and caustic is the only way

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instead of just unconditional

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it probably benefits sin more bc then FOK funnel

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when u arent talenting cuastic

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in any ST fight with ads

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but id think ds would stil be better in those cases

frank finch
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the new bigwigs update kinda based

craggy barn
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based

frank finch
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/key

vivid vessel
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so

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half the people that raid

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which is silly

frank finch
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but has all ur dun tp's

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alt keys

craggy barn
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similar to detaisl, but everyone has details

blissful zinc
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Zac do you have video with mythic raids

craggy barn
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zac vods

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on twitch

frank finch
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details one had tp's?

craggy barn
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no i meant just key showing

frank finch
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ohh

craggy barn
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but the tp stuff is nice

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can u clik the key on the key list to tp to that?

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or do u have to go to teleport tab

frank finch
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yea

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u can click them

craggy barn
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be kinda neat if u could just tp to "someone's" key assuming u had the tp

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party key

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are u using elvui

lime lake
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yes

frank finch
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another wa removed

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ill take it

craggy barn
#

ye

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needa see what it looks like without elvui

tender wedge
#

Oh damn that’s some good shit

frank finch
#

im not using elvui

latent oak
#

there is an addon that puts them all on the escape menu

#

which is really nice qol imo

craggy barn
#

ah

tender wedge
#

Love a good old WA deletion as existing addons build stuff in

lime lake
craggy barn
#

yea the escape one is nice, but i dont use that

lime lake
#

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

frank finch
#

i swear

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im using quizi stuff

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or w/e his name is

royal ermine
#

THE EYECANDI

craggy barn
#

looks neat

latent oak
#

visually not the cleanest but good functionality for sure

craggy barn
#

oh shit trial of style

sullen wyvern
#

guys when does the new m+ season start? this upcoming week or the next one?

craggy barn
#

week of the 12th

sullen wyvern
#

aight hank you

prisma vessel
carmine seal
#

Hey guys im coming back from a break after hiting 2500 on retail and am wondering how outlaw rogue will feel and how its different from season 2? I have been told that outlaw rogue feels clunkyer then it usually is this season.

red zinc
#

2500 on pvp?

lethal oak
frail veldt
#

the spec has improved immensely simply due to fixing killing spree

prisma vessel
#

yes, no more death by killing spree.

frail veldt
#

we are losing s2 4 set which added some interesting gameplay for HO revolved around using rtb on cd to proc 5 buffs but that is gone

craggy barn
#

OH question

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does new ks break roots

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like old ks did

frail veldt
#

not afaik

craggy barn
#

huge nerf to pvp outlaw

prisma vessel
#

yeah

frail veldt
#

yeah it is

craggy barn
#

u still get to spin tho ye?

frail veldt
#

but outlaw in pvp was already gutted due to the 20% cdr nerf

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nah KS will be worthless in pvp

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since it splits damage

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and is interuptible

cinder relic
#

Erm

frail veldt
#

there might be cases where you could cheese some kills with a big KS on an isolated target

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but itll be rare since there are so many trash units in pvp now

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with the hero talents from a lot of specs always spawning random shit

fathom bramble
#

the range is short enough that I feel like a lot of positioning would still let you hit just 1 guy

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I'm more concerned with pets fucking it up

frail veldt
#

its 10 yard range

#

yeah pets are for sure gona fuck it up

#

it might be worth taking just for the chance of it doing some big boorst

fathom bramble
#

I think there isn't really another worthwhile talent right

frail veldt
#

but its significantly less useful than previous KS which was a root break on a short cd

craggy barn
#

fatty ks to bait stuns

frail veldt
#

SS

fathom bramble
#

so you might as well take it most of the time imo

frail veldt
#

you drop single target to pick up KS

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cuz in pvp you have to take stam

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and you take sting like a bee

#

but yeah current outlaw almost always takes KS in pvp

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so itll be pretty easy to pick up next season

#

but youre either dropping combat stamina or swift slasher

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most people opt for dropping stam tbh cuz outlaws just so tanky as is

#

but most "pvp mains" ive talked to are very sad to lose old KS

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cuz they didnt have any of the pain points that pvers had with it

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also the stagger effect of KS

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was quite strong in pvp

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itll be missed for sure

craggy barn
#

yea it was fine in pvp

#

its just such a smaller portion of the game where when its good in pve it has to be changed

#

replace DFA with old KS in pvp talent pepw

frail veldt
#

That'd be neat

craggy barn
#

DFA? more like DOA

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pepw

fathom bramble
#

has anyone ever actually taken DFA in pvp ?

craggy barn
#

a long time ago

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at the very least

fathom bramble
#

they nerfed it when it became a pvp talent

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and idk it just seems terrible since then

craggy barn
#

yea when it became pvp talent id on tthink anyone ever took it

frail veldt
#

since all the rogue pvp talents have been slowly stripped away

#

you pretty much take bomb + 2 other garbage whatever talents

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dfa if you need more mobility

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or you want to immune some cc like against rmp

dawn talon
#

dude it must be so sad

#

playing rogue in pvp

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they just hate u

frail veldt
#

its very sad

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1 change

dawn talon
#

community hates u devs hate u casters hate u

frail veldt
#

would fix the spec

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in pvp

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forever

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1

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change

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and its to give cheap shot a cooldown

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thats it

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I am very confident that that one change alone would make rogue 10000% more balanced in high end pvp but not make it feel awful for average players

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cheap shot is the ONLY spammable cc in the game that can be applied to multiple targets at once

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except for rake but that requires incarn to use multiple times in a row, rogue gets it every time they open

junior coral
#

recent vids i watched, looks like sin is bis M+... outlaw pretty behind so far for 11.2 huh

frail veldt
#

not necessarily no

covert heart
#

i have seen outlaw players do about the same amount of damage

frail veldt
#

outlaws looking pretty solid still

covert heart
#

just the damage profiles are different

tender wedge
#

Were the recent vids YT shorts of casual hitting 50m in FG19

vivid vessel
#

WICKED we did it guys

frail veldt
#

poggy

craggy barn
#

holy

dawn talon
#

sin is doing a lot more relevant damage

covert heart
#

i said different damage profiles

dawn talon
#

yeah but you are underselling how big of a difference that is

pliant wind
#

dangerous targets dying earlier

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its the most important thing of pulls

dawn talon
#

our prio damage is substantially worse than it's been in the past as a result of our st tuning being lower

#

the mythic+ outlook is pretty grim

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ofc we'll still be blowing up low keys like we do every tier

vivid vessel
#

outlaw overalls always look good just cause you pad on everything that moves

pliant wind
#

i tried a +15 and i was dealing like 2M or more dmg than a lock and havoc but dangerous targets were dying because them

dawn talon
#

the low target cleave seems p good in raid tho

vivid vessel
#

so you do a lot of irrelevant damage

covert heart
#

this shit doesnt really matter unless you are .1%

vivid vessel
#

when you pull packs on boss for example

#

you dont gain time killing the pack faster

#

well outlaw will kill it faster

pliant wind
#

because there are less probablity of wipes

tender wedge
#

Triple assass rogue meta inc

wooden saddle
#

for the future maybe playing fatebound for more st or prio?

pliant wind
#

so it doesnt matter if .1% or not

dawn talon
#

fatebound loses all its prio damage in aoe

#

and just is like 10-15% behind at least in 8t

craggy barn
#

isnt it at 3+ targets its a significant dropoff now

dawn talon
#

yeah

craggy barn
#

at 2 its about the same as trickster

dawn talon
#

fatebound competitive in st and 2t

pliant wind
#

:o fatebound 8t same as trickster in s3 :o

limpid vortex
#

Driving games online

frail veldt
#

oh nvm youre saying the opposite

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yeah

#

tbh though outlaws not like a "pad" aoe spec either though like ret

#

so it hits a decent middle ground its not like prio targets arent taking enough damage because you have an outlaw in the group

vivid vessel
#

its not pad

#

but

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ok i take halls

#

as an example

#

first boss you pull mobs onto it

frail veldt
vivid vessel
#

outlaw will top damage on these mobs cause no one is aoing but you

#

same with 2nd boss

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on the little adds

#

same with third boss when you pull the pack onto it

frail veldt
#

yeah outlaw has ethical pad lol

vivid vessel
#

well

#

its ethical but its also

frail veldt
#

though ive manually turned of bf

vivid vessel
#

it inflate your overall

frail veldt
#

so that my teammates with funnel

vivid vessel
#

its not useful damage

frail veldt
#

can do more funnel

#

I hate doing it

#

but it is important sometimes

vivid vessel
#

outlaw does a lot of non useful damage

#

thats why it always looks good in overall

frail veldt
#

yeah it can

#

depends on the dungeon

vivid vessel
#

but i think its pretty noticeable when your outalw isnt doing damage

frail veldt
#

outlaw just has no control over its aoe its either on or off

bright crane
#

so u goin sin next season or what zac

vivid vessel
#

stop asking me that

#

why is everyone asking me that

#

im litteraly an outlaw one trick

#

i play outlaw every season

#

ok s1 tww i

#

something happened right

#

wont happen again

random stirrup
bright crane
#

bet bet

random stirrup
#

s1 tww will forever stain you as a fotm reroller to assa

bright crane
#

dw i can see a nerf bat coming

dawn talon
random stirrup
#

i did it in grim batol to not kill the debuff little guys too fast and this season in cinderbrew on the bee boss to not kill funnel

dawn talon
pliant wind
#

probably some hero tree changes but idk

dawn talon
#

like shamelessly

river maple
#

is m0 weekly

gaunt phoenix
#

Ya

vivid vessel
#

is it

#

didnt they change it to daily

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or smth

frail veldt
#

it is daily once season starts

#

I thought

vivid vessel
#

ah

frail veldt
#

but weekly in the pre season

vivid vessel
#

so week 0 its weekly ?

frail veldt
#

ye

#

p sure

gaunt phoenix
#

@upper surge help

vivid vessel
#

@upper surge halp

upper surge
#

HELP

upper surge
upper surge
upper surge
vivid vessel
#

Ahah mewo noob

frail veldt
vivid vessel
#

So bad

lethal oak
#

We need combat back its the only way to heal

upper surge
frail veldt
#

you sure about that?

#

lol

vivid vessel
upper surge
#

me

frail veldt
#

I would do "world tours" in s1 though

vivid vessel
#

Ye idk if I can trust that shit

upper surge
gaunt phoenix
#

ty lemonade

upper surge
#

np bb

frail veldt
#

so how does that make sense

#

lol

#

that makes m0 even more useless

upper surge
#

because m+2 isnt available week 1

frail veldt
#

what

#

yes

#

I mean after week 1

upper surge
#

yes

#

m0 is literally

#

for 7 days

frail veldt
#

I thought after week 1 m0 lockout becomes daily

vivid vessel
upper surge
frail veldt
#

I do

#

cuz thats what I said lol

upper surge
#

week 1 is the only time

#

youll do m0

#

???

vivid vessel
#

Wtff

pliant wind
frail veldt
#

sure but I said it becomes daily after week 1

vivid vessel
#

So you are lying

#

Tff

frail veldt
#

yeah now I feel like im being gaslighted

upper surge
#

no

vivid vessel
#

Latias isn't my goat anymore

upper surge
#

its still

#

weekly

#

you morons

vivid vessel
#

Loriat

pliant wind
#

OMEGAKEKW This argument OMEGAKEKW

upper surge
#

im just saying

#

idc if it changes

vivid vessel
#

Lacrat

#

Licratos

frail veldt
vivid vessel
#

Larabel

#

Lumosis

pliant wind
#

Hahahaha

vivid vessel
#

Labibel

lime lake
upper surge
#

Mythic 0 dungeons award Champion-track gear from each boss, with a weekly instance lockout. The health and damage of enemies in those dungeons has increased to reflect the improved rewards.

#

suck my dick

#

idiot rogues

vivid vessel
#

He actually quoted a blue post tf

frail veldt
#

he did it!

craggy barn
#

get quoted on idiots

upper surge
#

this is why you idiots are called out on the document

#

i stg

vivid vessel
#

Thanks bro

upper surge
#

❤️

lime lake
#

imagine willingly coming to outlaw channel

#

unlucky

upper surge
#

i got pinged

#

and i have a duty to help pepegas

lime lake
#

get out before they start arguing about whether an ability is aoe or not

upper surge
#

I LOVE THE NEW KILLING SPREE

craggy barn
#

we solved taht already bel

vivid vessel
pliant wind
#

we all love random dmg

#

we are outlaws

upper surge
#

the new AOE killing spree

pliant wind
vivid vessel
#

thje aoe killing spree that does st damage

craggy barn
#

zac

pliant wind
#

killing padding spree

#

KPS

craggy barn
#

the new rule of thumb

#

huge

#

follow and never be confused

vivid vessel
#

ahah

gaunt phoenix
#

What

vivid vessel
#

nice

proven ocean
craggy barn
proven ocean
#

zac still mad ks is aoe

lime lake
#

oh shit zeross is here

frail veldt
proven ocean
pliant wind
#

why ks changed to do random targeting? idk

vivid vessel
upper surge
vivid vessel
#

when its you know

#

st

#

that cleaves with bf

frail veldt
vivid vessel
#

but is random targeting

craggy barn
proven ocean
#

atk affecting an area infront of you is st ICANT

covert kestrel
#

WERE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN

proven ocean
#

denting gaslighting

vivid vessel
#

crazy part is that he actually convinced mewo

proven ocean
#

Dentge aoe ability is st because it doesnt do dmg properly

vivid vessel
#

but mewo was being a silly goose tbf

craggy barn
#

who cares now, popo's new rule solves it all

#

pepw

proven ocean
#

outlaw main = correct

vivid vessel
#

and an ability that does damage to a singular mob at a time is st

craggy barn
#

why are u thinkin

vivid vessel
#

thats my rule of thumb

craggy barn
#

stop thinking

desert tendon
#

zac can we have a date to o'tacos tomorrow?

proven ocean
#

because it does do dmg to multiple mobs at once omegalul

#

"show message" <=== zac OMEGALUL

upper surge
#

this is what you get for pinging me

vivid vessel
#

@upper surge how do you make a googe doc to show like this btw

#

like a thing you cant edit and shit

upper surge
#

publish

vivid vessel
#

like a proper one

#

hm

#

i see

upper surge
#

one sec

#

ill show

vivid vessel
#

nice tech bro

proven ocean
#

@upper surge when will u add KS aoe info in google doc?? not sharing all info again i see

upper surge
#

under file

proven ocean
#

Lairas...

upper surge
#

spell my name correctly idiot

proven ocean
#

its lairas

pliant wind
upper surge
#

ITS LUIGI

vivid vessel
#

laragolas

proven ocean
#

u know what

pliant wind
#

Liaras

proven ocean
#

im gonna call you lasanya

dense bolt
#

whos mario then

proven ocean
#

cuz im hungry

dense bolt
#

ross?

upper surge
#

@glass mortar calls me ludacris

proven ocean
#

lucadris? whats that

desert tendon
#

weran is called king

craggy barn
#

LL cool j

proven ocean
#

@dense bolt

#

max is streaming

covert kestrel
dense bolt
lethal oak
dense bolt
#

yapp

proven ocean
dense bolt
#

to him

#

let him now

craggy barn
#

next

proven ocean
#

he just released a full spreadsheet explaining how KS is aoe

#

sheeeeeeesh

#

man im thinkign abnout watching thunderlbolt

lethal oak
#

So don't press KS on ST, got it

craggy barn
#

i heard it was aight

#

i needa watch that and superman at some point

#

lol

#

been too lazy

proven ocean
#

just watch all of it on stremio

#

fk the rest

dense bolt
proven ocean
#

nah

#

oh

#

yea

#

i think i did

dense bolt
#

insane show

proven ocean
#

ez Reacher

keen belfry
#

i think

#

ks is aoe guys

proven ocean
#

hi awang

#

perfect thinking

craggy barn
#

zac losing his mind

proven ocean
#

NA rogues are goats now

keen belfry
#

u press it once and it hits multiple targets

#

aoe

vivid vessel
#

why would i be losing my mind

proven ocean
keen belfry
#

maybe zeross is the true goat of outlaw not zac

proven ocean
#

awan

vivid vessel
#

i dont believe in rage bait anymore

proven ocean
#

g

vivid vessel
#

im like reformed

craggy barn
#

lol

pliant wind
#

frenchormed

keen belfry
covert kestrel
#

zac irl

lethal oak
#

Casual played two outlaw keys

#

Tru goat

proven ocean
#

ofc ofc

#

only you awang

keen belfry
#

ty

proven ocean
#

best rogue world

#

#1

keen belfry
#

ty

proven ocean
craggy barn
#

zac gets 21 resil keys and now is reformed

#

raider io down tho

vivid vessel
#

that was a long time ago zomb

upper surge
#

i know

#

outlaw rogues cant read

#

so here you guys go

vivid vessel
#

that was before i got reformed

proven ocean
#

lairas whats that

upper surge
#

its my entire guide as an audio book

keen belfry
#

zac whispered me the other day "awang ur the goat if you just swapped me with you in my comp wed be 4100"

covert kestrel
#

LAPRAS SENDING LINKS TO HACK MY ACCOUNT

proven ocean
#

ngl larsias

vivid vessel
#

wtf

keen belfry
#

i didnt know what to say

covert kestrel
#

PURPLES

proven ocean
#

u always link sus things

vivid vessel
#

its actually a guy reading it

proven ocean
#

im afraid

vivid vessel
#

thats crazy

proven ocean
#

of pressing it

#

no cappi

vivid vessel
#

@upper surge

#

is it a real guy

#

reading

upper surge
#

try it

covert kestrel
#

no this has to be ai

pliant wind
#

fak

vivid vessel
#

its ai for sure or

upper surge
#

its not

#

lmao

covert kestrel
#

is that you lapras

upper surge
#

it's literally read out

vivid vessel
#

no way someome would read that shit

#

for 20 min

#

did you pay a guy

lime lake
vivid vessel
#

like a fiver guy

upper surge
#

You can tell its realy because he skips certain stuff

#

It's one of my guildies

covert kestrel
#

he went on Cameo and paid Legolas to read it

proven ocean
#

lairas

vivid vessel
proven ocean
#

we know its you using a voice changer pretending u have ppl that help you

#

dont lie to me

#

..

#

is that true larias

#

lairas*

covert kestrel
#

lapras does the guy say the outlaw rogue part

proven ocean
#

lapras

covert kestrel
#

i cant be assed to find it

proven ocean
#

does he

#

or no

#

?

#

@lapras

#

@upper surge

#

oops

upper surge
#

WHAT

#

oh

proven ocean
#

dont what me

upper surge
#

idk

#

scroll down

proven ocean
#

oh

#

idk

#

scroll down

upper surge
#

IM TRYING TO DO SHIT

#

IDIOTS

proven ocean
#

WHAT SHIT

#

wait

#

are u shitting

#

like

upper surge
#

IM A RAID LEADER

proven ocean
#

rn

#

in the toilet or

#

oh

#

are you

covert kestrel
#

spamming your guide in all the class servers does not mean "do shit"

proven ocean
#

wtf

vivid vessel
#

@upper surge

proven ocean
#

do u link them ur spreadsheets too

#

or

vivid vessel
#

raid lead this hypergrab

covert kestrel