Yeah fatebound sucks
#outlaw
pastel sierra
dense bolt
fathom bramble
hero talents and talents in general should do something rotationally that lets you actually tell if you are talented into it or not
pastel sierra
Cant wait for assa bros to really enjoy it next season
cinder relic
ehhh, I just disagree with that
fathom bramble
it's fine to have a few nodes that functionally do nothing, but an entire hero tree should not be like that
nova sinew
but quad grapple
pastel sierra
hero talents and talents in general should do something rotationally that lets y...
DS you notice, as well as trickster
hallow spoke
I played a bit of fb assa in palace, felt fine. was kinda cool to see a tonne of burst
cinder relic
I think the new tier set for fatebound makes fatebound a lot better designed overall
pastel sierra
DS has mark management and the AoE tools, Trickster gives insane CDR for both specs
cinder relic
I hope they make them core
pastel sierra
Yeah next expansion they fix the AoE nodes for fatebound and put the current tier set in
fluid iron
nova sinew
one thing about fatebound that feels bad especially for assa is the lack of utility
pastel sierra
More shadowsteps
hallow spoke
could be encounter niche
nova sinew
it would be better just to make it stack to 3 for assa
cinder relic
If a boss does a lot of running around being able to double cast it is like giving you an additional charge of sprint
fathom bramble
the window for a repeat step should probably just be longer
cinder relic
Yeah but on broodtwister it'd just be better
Since it just gives you an easier ability to chase the boss around
nova sinew
yeah true or rashanan
seems way more niche than double grapple though there for sure is not a parity in utility
cinder relic
Its for sure worse than double hook
mighty pivot
fatebound still has a node with a typo in its name and we're entering s3 - that should be priority #1 to fix 
pastel sierra
Quad hook on bloodbound 
nova sinew
fatebound still has a node with a typo in its name and we're entering s3 - that ...
they will fix that it is inevitabile
daring oxide
quadhook on rasha
was fucking SICK
was there in a split second before the warrior even leaped into the air
bed time i will watch rogue stuff when i awake
good luck shindig
mighty pivot
I also don't like how FB screams "I don't want to cleave" so much that they had to put not one but two anti-funnel nodes. In my utopia hero talents would affect the flavour of the spec, but whether it's cleave or ST build would be defined by the class & spec trees, not hero talent choice 👍 🏄♀️ 🏄♂️
lime lake
👍 🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
daring oxide
we've been making fanmade reworks in this outlaw channel since forever???
vivid vessel
dense bolt
mighty pivot
you really did steal this
covert kestrel
frank finch
gaunt phoenix
sour jay
Ew playing outlaw without a RtB tier set is gonna blow EWWW
mighty pivot
at least you will no longer roll solo BT
random stirrup
Kalamazi putting warlock in A tier 
nova sinew
frank finch
mainly just demo
mighty pivot
ty was trying to find that image
nova sinew
its so good
mighty pivot
it worked!
random stirrup
“Yeah I think you definitely play 2 of… but only A tier looks correct”
“Probably not 3” yeah ok
vocal palm
max calling the man out
blazing bloom
If we use ambush in stealth or subterfuge and don’t get to at least 5 CP, do we ambush a second time to get to 5+ before we BTE?
vapid blaze
wait kalamzi gaslighting or what
mighty pivot
If we use ambush in stealth or subterfuge and don’t get to at least 5 CP, do we ...
yes
proper berry
wait kalamzi gaslighting or what
bro always sandbags
petko out there sandbagging Ele
vapid blaze
but max usually brings on hawk i think
when was the last time 3 were played of the same spec
that werent mages
frank grove
wait kalamzi gaslighting or what
lime lake
jailer had like 3 warlocks and 3 dps warriors
hallow spoke
btw, phys comp gna change to prot war + ww with arms nerf or just change to fury?
lime lake
well he said 3 of the same spec
lime lake
i think more recently its stopped at 2
but in the past 3-4 of the same spec happened quite a bit yeah
vapid sundial
3 mages isn't played rn bc It causes lag fr
Was my experience season 1
When we tried
vivid vessel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980440287094652940/1400747630035996672/at...
Xdddd
vivid vessel
Ye I saw that one haha
frank grove
I hope this is real lmfao
vapid blaze
is the mm hunter also gaslighting
stiff vector
what the hell WW gets almost instant cast FoF now and they can cast instants during ScK now...and we get this dumpster fire killing spree
mighty pivot
no iteration no feedback on spriest 
covert kestrel
what the hell WW gets almost instant cast FoF now and they can cast instants dur...
at least we dont have slicing winds the empowered jank
vapid blaze
its abit buggy but kinda fun
lime lake
slicing winds has a weird delay whenever i press it
im not a huge fan
might just be on my end though
covert kestrel
ww is actually so fun rn
nah it was my alt i liked it
just didnt like it as much in m+
raid was banger tho
stiff vector
ele is pretty ufn with their new tier set
stormbringer lowkey kinda op
huge dopamine gains when the procs hit
haughty vector
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
dawn talon
ww in keys feels so underwhelming
but that's prob bc i played it back when giant aoe burst was the ww thing
and that's just not true anymore
glass mortar
boss damage feels good but yea its pretty weak in aoe
slim hare
zac still here ?
random stirrup
i dont know if ive ever seen a tier list this sandbagged before
there is simply diabolical things occurring
frank grove
i dont know if ive ever seen a tier list this sandbagged before
All the sandbaggers went first
random stirrup
All the sandbaggers went first
actually hilarious how he had to be forced to put demo s tier and as a result literally everyone else has put their specs below it
frank grove
stiff vector
I swear if you just listened to Preheat talk about mage to Max and knew nothing about WoW you would think Mage is one of the worst classes in the game 
frail veldt
huge dopamine gains when the procs hit
Honestly a lot of ele feels great
It's like gamba without the negative
Fun spec for sure
random stirrup
me when a spec is topping high keys on ptr and beating literally everything else and then it gets a 3% aura nerf (at the same time as the other top performers get nerfed) and now its dobby tier
frail veldt
The lava burst procs with ascend just slinging out a wall of meatballs is siiiiiiick
torpid fiber
Imo the trick with tier lists made by people who play the class is to completely ignore them
stiff vector
its actually rly fast paced now too with your procs since your haste is so high in asc and with prim wave hate
glass mortar
shaman has some of the peak fantasy animations imo
i liked the old ones better but their particles r still so good
mighty pivot
i dont know if ive ever seen a tier list this sandbagged before
it's like they are competing about who will sandbag more
glass mortar
enhance and ele both
ele in aoe where ur just a sith lord has always been peak
and then suddenly u explode and shoot out 50000 meatballs
frail veldt
Yeah enhance is aite but visually ele just blows a lot of specs away
glass mortar
enhance is up there with dk for my favorite melee animations
crash lightning is so good
frail veldt
I mean yeah ele has had a LOT of resources poured into it
It's gotten a huge amount of attention this xpac
glass mortar
yea they cooked shaman alot this expac
good expac for them
eles just been solid entire expac tbh
frail veldt
But even in DF it was visually cool
glass mortar
always slightly behind the op shit but very good in keys and raid
lime lake
i wasnt a fan of meatballs but just shitting out lightning bolts has always looked sick
frail veldt
Which has held it back I think
Tbh I think ele needs grounding totem in pve
Would go so hard
Might be too op though
covert kestrel
is ross gonna be our rep
median owl
how does funnel effects outlaws? like we get extra hits with some procs or its just the extra cp from flurry?
gaunt phoenix
just flurry
median owl
humm thats not that big of a funnel then
gaunt phoenix
yea we dont really funnel
median owl
felt way smoother in aoe than ST for some reason, thought it was some extra proc from multi hits or w/e
gaunt phoenix
well blade flurry is very cheap way to get full cps
it absolutely feels smoother to have it
median owl
I was asking cuz my mage was asking me to turn off flurry to let him funnel which is fine, was just wondering if we also get some funnel
frank finch
median owl
guess i'll just turn off flurry on these funnel situations then, more chance to time the key xD
random stirrup
if you are playing kir and playing the deft talent you can make a bladeflurry cast/cancelaura button and cast it for the cps and then disable it
covert kestrel
@minor trellis gl gl
median owl
if you are playing kir and playing the deft talent you can make a bladeflurry ca...
nice tip, will do that
thanks mate
smoky lotus
Mage main character confirmed
fair oak
mage is a pretty cool class
smoky lotus
No i mean your teams mage is the main character
median owl
i just dislike rangeds
fair oak
hell yeah
median owl
No i mean your teams mage is the main character
ohh ye, i mean rogue aint the best with mage as well. but got this friend of mine and he enjoys the mage so why not xD
craggy barn
its over max ruined rogue
rapid phoenix
How is our raid ST looking vs like assassination ?
I’m trying to convince my gm to only let me play outlaw
craggy barn
solo did they ever patch out the trickster parry thing
where it affected the whole raid
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so
smoky lotus
Are you going for rwf? If not just stay outlaw and hope your gm doesn't scroll down the details list 😄
gaunt phoenix
well
random stirrup
yes
gaunt phoenix
Outlaw st is probably fine but amp bosses will not be favored
pallid wraith
just got to hope for a legendary that swaps from a sword to a dagger one patch
i wish they designed weapons like that baseline
sworddagger bowspear
random stirrup
it does
frank finch
WAT
craggy barn
yea
gaunt phoenix
that was proven on like, fryakk
frank finch
so if u have 2 rogues its 6 % dr?
fathom bramble
2 different 3% DRs
gaunt phoenix
well, they dont stack additively
fathom bramble
which is only slightly different from 6%
frank finch
glass mortar
when was the last time someone checked that
a little birdie told me that was supposed to be fixed in 11.0
gaunt phoenix
Idk zac and zero were spatting about it at one point this xpac
lime lake
when was the last time someone checked that
sometimes i do wonder if everyone just assumes it never got fixed
because who the fuck brings two rogues
vagrant saddle
we really going a full expac with no legendary huh
hidden DH legendary coming dw
verbal pumice
better not be
dawn talon
we really going a full expac with no legendary huh
people complained about legendaries for the entire expansion
and into the first tier of this expansion
i wouldn't be surprised if they just don't do any for a while
vagrant plaza
Outlaw time
random stirrup
oh no guy is never going to be silenced again hearing max talk this way about flat damage profiles
bright lodge
10 rogues stacking for atrophic tier
stray ether
shindig is over explaining, doesnt need to go into what flat dmg profile means lol
vagrant plaza
He’s new guys, he’s cooking
unkempt cypress
10-4
craggy barn
let this guy cook
pastel sierra
shindig is over explaining, doesnt need to go into what flat dmg profile means l...
Go on the stream next time buddy
craggy barn
hes our only hope
pallid wraith
cheffery in progress
latent oak
frank finch
max gaslighting us
vagrant plaza
max gaslighting us
Actually🤣
vagrant plaza
I’m switching to outlaw
silent ibex
flat is justice
pastel sierra
cant believe this channel gaslit me for years
Cant mess up dmg amps if u dont even know when they are
vagrant saddle
outlaw actually s tier
pastel sierra
I got a feeling for boss timings the second i stopped playing outlaw
craggy barn
sim talk tho sadge
rare moth
New spells!
scarlet onyx
he prefers it ya
rare moth
What are the conditions for these?
hardy vault
He said he’d like for more classes to have it
scarlet onyx
he's reasoning was that some phasing/transitions would have been easier with more flat dmg profiles rather than stackign bursts
random stirrup
he said there were benefits if (for example) you need to do an add phase into a burst phase into an add phase since a burst spec can't have cds for all 3
lime lake
he said there are situations where its helpful to have and that its an underrated damage profile
bright lodge
did max actually say flat damage profile was better/good ?
He said it can shine in specific situations
silent ibex
did max actually say flat damage profile was better/good ?
said when there are a lot of classes with burst at a specific time its good to have a flat profile for whatever comes inbetween
strong halo
ok ok so far the M+ statements are fair
fluid iron
did max actually say flat damage profile was better/good ?
"most overlooked niche that more often than not wouldve helped them clear content quicker on certain fights were burst classes ended up hurting them during certain phases"
hardy vault
I am still 100% going all in on outlaw for keys
pastel sierra
Aka 'commit more burst to prog fsster but then youre missing burst for the next check'
vagrant plaza
He cooked a bit icl, bro is all in to rogue rn
craggy barn
he a rogue bro
stray ether
he did good overall
random stirrup
W representation
gilded tinsel
love u
craggy barn
❤️
frank bane
W Shindigg
pastel sierra
I am still 100% going all in on outlaw for keys
Start building habits for finger stretches and shit
pastel sierra
Youll need it
shrewd cobalt
I’ve missed people being passionate about rogue
craggy barn
guy loves rogue but yall fucking hate his ass
random stirrup
guy well known rogue hater 
slim hare
w shindigg
gilded tinsel
I’ve missed people being passionate about rogue
we've been here all along
slim hare
one thing to change on rogue = bugs
frank finch
he didnt mention acro tho
slim hare
the guy is cooking
craggy barn
he didnt mention acro tho
thats a bug
strong halo
W shindig everything he said was fair and accurate on outlaw
unkempt cypress
Every rogue kolp
maiden orbit
after all the fucking dooming on rogue lately it was really refreshing to hear someone who loves the class lol
craggy barn
surely it will be fixed
lime lake
based shindig
worldly compass
Guy dedicates his free time to TCing for rogue but he secretly hates rogue and wow and life
strong halo
People acting like he doesnt have 2nd io rogue score
fathom bramble
"most overlooked niche that more often than not wouldve helped them clear conten...
I see
lime lake
Guy dedicates his free time to TCing for rogue but he secretly hates rogue and w...
he has to hate rogue, it comes with being a shareholder
stiff vector
based shindig but should have said one thing to change about rogue...give acro back, missed opportunity 
vagrant plaza
craggy barn
he just tolerates us
fathom bramble
can be a good niche, but I'm not sure I would say more often than not considering the shear number of fights where it literally doesn't matter and burst is just better
worldly compass
guy hates rogue discord, he loves rogue class
Based honestly
fathom bramble
but a reasonable take I guess
strong halo
i mean discords are pretty elitist
bright lodge
based shindig but should have said one thing to change about rogue...give acro b...
I don't think he played when acs existed
strong halo
obv Zac is our god, but Shindig has said multiple times he thinks he sucks compared to Zac
craggy barn
didnt he start last season
minor trellis
I HOPE I DID GOOD
near rock
its literally the same point guy and I were arguing last week in here
strong halo
@minor trellis we all praising u
craggy barn
zac is m+ outlaw goat for sure
vagrant plaza
You cooked shin
craggy barn
gj shindig
sudden fulcrum
that's crazy that Max got Andy Samberg on his stream
frank bane
I HOPE I DID GOOD
You did awesome big Ws my guy <3!!
gilded tinsel
I HOPE I DID GOOD
well spoken, gj dude
covert kestrel
I HOPE I DID GOOD
v good, ngl the flat damage profile explanation to max was funny ah hahahah
minor trellis
v good, ngl the flat damage profile explanation to max was funny ah hahahah
I WASNT SURE HOW COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS
strong halo
I WASNT SURE HOW COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS
I tihnk it is common knowckledge i just dont think people undertand how flat outlaws dmg is
probably flatest in game no?
quaint loom
I HOPE I DID GOOD
W
daring oxide
I HOPE I DID GOOD
You did the best out of any rogues in history, was so interesting to listen to you
frank finch
just like shindig i learned anthropic stacks
covert kestrel
i just wanted ross for the hilarity of it
bright lodge
The only thing shindig miss is the sanbagging meta this tier
maiden orbit
I HOPE I DID GOOD
Good job man, it's awesome to have a class rep talk about the class who actually loves the class. twitch chatters are 
covert kestrel
the mage sandbagging was fucking hilarious
vagrant plaza
You did the best out of any rogues in history, was so interesting to listen to y...
That’s what I’m saying, I was unironically the most locked in I’ve been on his tier list streams there.
daring oxide
its literally the same point guy and I were arguing last week in here
I also think people severely underestimate flat damage profiles, if everyone only does burst there’s no one left to kill stuff in between and that’s where we come in and carry
near rock
I also think people severely underestimate flat damage profiles, if everyone onl...
Yeah totally agree
covert kestrel
Were u on max stream
ya
proven ocean
What happened
proven ocean
Yeah totally agree
Good morning oondasta
covert kestrel
did a v good thorough job, just gave a funny simple explanation of what a flat damage profile is to max referring to outlaw
and max was like "yeah we know what that means" lol
proven ocean
Max is gonna kill atrophic just like he killed amz
Why what happened
hardy vault
Talked about how it stacks
proven ocean
Max already knows about it
vagrant plaza
Isn’t that literally a bug?
proven ocean
Btw
hardy vault
Max was the one saying it not shindig
frank finch
shin didnt know it stacked
craggy barn
its obscur knowledge that was talked about a long time ago
not surprised he didnt know
fathom bramble
I also think people severely underestimate flat damage profiles, if everyone onl...
this is true, but the number of fights that have an in-between that cannot be covered with just having something other than 2min classes is pretty rare
it can be good and valuable to the raid, but it's so rare and so niche and so specific to your comp
lime lake
99.99% of people who would complain if it got fixed have never even been in a group that stacked it in the first place
craggy barn
if outlaw could use dagger, then it would be a worthy spec swap for when u want less burst
bright lodge
Ok, now we wait 24h after stream to release last day patch with QoL+Tuning
proven ocean
Guys
craggy barn
but bc outlaw requires a one hander, its just not feasible early on
daring oxide
this is true, but the number of fights that have an in-between that cannot be co...
For me OAB comes to mind, reels assistant damage from others was garbage while I had to carry it when others CDs were down
proven ocean
Ok
hardy vault
Most rogues I ever had in a group was like 3 in a heroic pug recently
daring oxide
this is true, but the number of fights that have an in-between that cannot be co...
I had a DK doing like 10mil damage overall in total to reels in OAB by the 3min mark while I was on 150mil+
We may not have burst but I think our damage is always consistent and reliable
But yeah it’s not common for sure but flat profile deserves justice
Good to have diversity I think
And in most comps if you have one outlaw rogue
near rock
I mean straight from max's mouth, its not even a bad profile, its necessary when everyone else is burst
daring oxide
That’s all you need
Ya
Just need one of us and let everyone else burst
Shindig was perfect though, passion and genuine gentlemen
No cringe stuff
tender wedge
I’d rather someone hyped to play the game - a class have a great yap than someone get stuck in the weeds and give a big technical down buzz rant tbh
Thought he did good yeah
fathom bramble
Good to have diversity I think
yeah I agree
glass yew
Yohoho!
Guys? Where i can find bis gear for PTR flex testing? Some link or? Plz!
fathom bramble
my point is just that the niches where flat is good are so rare that people tend to point to the same handful of fights where burst might not even be worse
proven ocean
I mean straight from max's mouth, its not even a bad profile, its necessary when...
Idk what max said but ye outlaw dmg profile was always rly good
surreal flower
I just woke up i dont even know my name
Unmuted 
lime lake
proven ocean
Ya yesterday
surreal flower
daring oxide
yeah I agree
I think for nexus king as well, I know there’s a damage amp but there’s also a huge window of two target cleave before the amp where like almost all of the other dps are gonna be holding CDs like mad and noodling after the add transition, while we will continue to slam dunk both and still continue to do decently good damage into the amp, plus we can just play trinkets like prism or the shadowguard one into the amp to make ourselves a bit bursty 😁
surreal flower
proven ocean
Spammed some wow content meanwhile
pastel sierra
I think for nexus king as well, I know there’s a damage amp but there’s also a h...
Big PC value
daring oxide
@proven ocean are you reformed?
proven ocean
ofc ofc
proven ocean
Maybe it’s time i give outlaw the love it deserves
stiff vector
my point is just that the niches where flat is good are so rare that people tend...
I mean with where classes are at these days, even specs with burst, but arent super front loaded usually have pretty decent sustain damage now so kinda plenty of classes have decent enough sustain damage these days so outlaw having a completely flat profile(and super punished by downtime) doesnt really serve any real advantage in raid 98% of the time
proven ocean
Might send some outlaw keys soon
tender wedge
Maybe it’s time i give outlaw the love it deserves
Why does this sound threatening
daring oxide
But I’m not gonna craft quickly in the first week, need to keep a close eye on tuning and rwf and see what happens on the mythic dimensius fight because I will craft a dagger if sub/assa is for some reason genuinely far ahead
pastel sierra
I am actually for real this time not crafting outlaw weapon
Just gonna chill on sub/assa
Mostly m+ anyways
covert heart
I am crafting an outlaw wep like a baller
proven ocean
fathom bramble
I think for nexus king as well, I know there’s a damage amp but there’s also a h...
I hope it plays out that way
daring oxide
usually I’m a hardcore OTP outlaw but I don’t think my current guild is going to let me do that anymore as they wanna go harder. so for this tier I’m likely respecting their wishes with that to craft a dagger if it’s truly necessary, but I really hate playing the other two specs so I wouldn’t have as much fun as I find them boring gameplay wise. But can always find a new home later when tier is done where I can be an outlaw degen again full time without being memed endlessly
daring oxide
I hope it plays out that way
Me too, I’m praying outlaw is good enough on the last two fights
I think it will be honestly
Especially nexus king
stiff vector
cant be worse than tindral surely.
stiff vector
I still played outlaw on it
fluid iron
cant be worse than tindral surely.
that would be a goated endboss, one boss design that just truly fucks over outlaw
proven ocean
I still played outlaw on it
Dang even today?
stiff vector
I was blasting some pulls on tindral too, but ofc we didnt kill boss those pulls
covert kestrel
that would be a goated endboss, one boss design that just truly fucks over outla...
i wish i felt anything as strong as you hate outlaw
proven ocean
covert kestrel
proven ocean
Guys
Guess what
I just figured out we’re all time travelling
Every time 1 second passes you travel 1 sec into the future
What the helly
fathom bramble
then how come my 3 minute CD is back after like 40 seconds ?
proven ocean
then how come my 3 minute CD is back after like 40 seconds ?
That fucked up my brain thinking about it
But then i realized cdr exists
What if cdr exists irl too
covert kestrel
Every time 1 second passes you travel 1 sec into the future
this sounds like a 14 yr old who just smoked weed for the first times epiphany
fluid iron
What if cdr exists irl too
i think the reverse does, atleast my boss always seem to think that i should stay more than 8 hours at work
proven ocean
cdr is real I take a 2 hour nap during work and now I have to work 2 hours less
TRUE
LOLOL
bright lodge
I was thinking. If you would apply the same logic to feral as you did to outlaw, which is r1 keys, than it should mean that feral was tier S this season
Kinda skewed logic
sudden fulcrum
feral is pretty good though
daring oxide
I’m thinking of leveling a druid as an alt
Watching Zac do keys with murtaz makes feral look sick
pastel sierra
Feral was also least played druid spec
I couldnt wrap my head around it so i went bleed assa
Almost same thing
daring oxide
But you get to be a cat
pastel sierra
Yeah but too much to look at
Like 5 different bleeds
I need one hand to count and 2 to play
grim spear
blz should give feral/bear solar beam
wintry solar
this sounds like a 14 yr old who just smoked weed for the first times epiphany
Ran from cops today.
#1 outlaw fan
grim spear
since boomkins have stampeding now, so unfair
bright crane
so we bummin for s3 or what
covert kestrel
so we bummin for s3 or what
ill bum a cig off your mom after i run train on her with every man from here to timbuktu
sorry that was uncalled for
tender wedge
this is a crazy 3 message spread
fading coral
Is threat ever an issue I care about or can I jump into a random pack, be the only one on the threat table, and my tricks will just transfer all of it to my tank?
tender wedge
you can body pull and get smacked before landing a hit
lime lake
yeah ive definitely never procced cheat on a boss by being too close to it in stealth on pull
tender wedge
if you're not doing that at least once a night are you even living
lime lake
my favorite is bugging the boss sometimes
i remember in aberrus if you got too close to amalgamation in stealth it would become untargettable
plush mesa
I still cannot decide whether to play sin or law next patch. Lemme craft 2 weapons and we are gg 😦
frail veldt
People always wanted some weird cannon balls bullshit
thatd be so sick yeah
frail veldt
Every time 1 second passes you travel 1 sec into the future
well depends how fast youre going
proven ocean
thatd be so sick yeah
u know that current killingspree is that right
its just not bursty
frail veldt
eh its not an aoe
jolly geyser
Nuanced aoe
frail veldt
its just split
so its not an aoe
it hits 1 target at a time
randomly
lol
thats like saying PS is aoe
cuz of BF
frank finch
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
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- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
frail veldt
yeah but ps isnt aoe
frail veldt
ks isnt an aoe ability either
frail veldt
ks only hits 1 person
proven ocean
is aoe
??????????????????
mewo
L ragebait
we both know its aoe
so what ur saying is
KS is a single target aoe ability
or what
then how does it atk everything infront of you and apply fazed to all of them
single target to each every single mob??
covert kestrel
well depends how fast youre going
i dont think ross is ready for relativity
proven ocean
LOLOLOL
nah
dude
u guys are all trolling
thats like saying hunter's barrage isn't an aoe ability because it shoots arrows infront of you
KS is literally the exact same
proven ocean
thats like saying hunter's barrage isn't an aoe ability because it shoots arrows...
@frail veldt explain this
@covert kestrel ?
covert kestrel
it hits one target at a time
frail veldt
wdym
barrage hits multiple targets
ks hits 1 target
idgi
wait zeross do you not know?
proven ocean
i logged ptr more than you did im pretty sure
lime lake
covert kestrel
its just a stupid argument, its a single target spell that gets aoe from bf
tender wedge
mewo baiting zeross into another week off
covert kestrel
every spell is aoe if you think that way
proven ocean
its just a stupid argument, its a single target spell that gets aoe from bf
no it doesnt
its aoe with or without bf
frail veldt
yes it shoots infront of you
yeah but only hits 1 target
LOL
bro
im sorry you had to find out this way
but its not aoe 😦
frail veldt
its aoe with or without bf
no its not
proven ocean
guys
frail veldt
it hits 1 target at a time
frail veldt
yeah it just tab targets
proven ocean
"ST ABILITY"
frail veldt
did you not know?
zeross im sorry lol
but thats not what an aoe is
maybe language barrier
idk
proven ocean
yeah it just tab targets
same as literally every other aoe ability that doesnt hit every 0.0001 second
proven ocean
maybe language barrier
cringe way to reply ngl
frail veldt
see how the fazed has a different duration
covert kestrel
aoe abilities hit every target in an AREA OF EFFECT
proven ocean
jolly geyser
Why argue zeross,arent you quitting anyway
frail veldt
idk
covert kestrel
are you canceling it after a single hit?
frail veldt
it does damage to 1 target at a time
proven ocean
maybe try logging in ptr once instead of typing language barrier cringe every time u say something wrong
frail veldt
then it swaps to another target
proven ocean
it doesnt but whatever dude
frail veldt
and hits a different target
am I crazy im so confused right now
zeross honestly I thought you were just trolling me
vague cape
lowkey
proven ocean
nah mewo ur just trolling ngl
frail veldt
did they actually change it cuz im not capping literally it was st to a random unit when I checked it
vague cape
dispatch / saber slash is fun af to cast irl
proven ocean
blackpowder has less aoe hits btw
its hitting 1 target at a time around me
crazy right?
jolly geyser
dispatch / saber slash is fun af to cast irl
Do new KS irl
frail veldt
im sorry zeross
I literally genuinely thought you were just memeing on me
cuz I have been told by everyone here that its st but hits random targets
proven ocean
its fine mewo
frail veldt
even zac said thats how it works
frail veldt
and when I tested it I could have sworn it literally hit only one target
proven ocean
just rly bad in aoe
frail veldt
it would like shoot at a random target
but maybe each shot is a small cone?
so you have to stand weird to get more aoe?
frail veldt
wait hold up though
tender wedge
did they actually change it cuz im not capping literally it was st to a random u...
nah i remember this being a thing too
frail veldt
so does it tag every mob?
proven ocean
it may seem like it hits nothing because if ur mid stressful combat
like
yes
exactly
frail veldt
nah i remember this being a thing too
yeah im not crazy
proven ocean
tag all mobs infrontg of u
frail veldt
I swear it was like this
proven ocean
infront of u*
tender wedge
i think it must have changed when they turned it into a cone
tender wedge
instead of 8yds around you or whatever
proven ocean
or a hard boss fight
u wont be able to spread it
without making weird movements and dying
frail veldt
sure I just remember people complaining that you dont get fazed applied aoe anymore
tender wedge
nahhh man i remember that
proven ocean
yea old KS was better
frail veldt
so hold up though
tender wedge
surely we're not both hallucinating the same memory
frail veldt
with this new info
proven ocean
its spread dmg
covert kestrel
sure I just remember people complaining that you dont get fazed applied aoe anym...
i think that was zac just saying that because we are casting it less with the cooldown increase we have much less fazed?
frail veldt
sure but does it hit infinite units
proven ocean
u cast it way less often cuz like
frail veldt
uncapped
proven ocean
double cd
frail veldt
sure
frail veldt
imma log in cuz this is literally brand new info to me and it sounds like a lot of other people
proven ocean
zac was only hating it cuz its spreading fazed badly
which made it seem like its st maybe to you
frail veldt
he was hating it cuz it reduced funnel
frail veldt
im gona like it more than current
proven ocean
its still an aoe cone tho
frail veldt
undoubtedly
I know that it was cone
but I thought it selected a random unit
in that cone
proven ocean
i think its gonna be fine if u dont need fazed for coup
frail veldt
so is it always a cone in front of you
or does it pick a unit randomly in any region around you
proven ocean
or does it pick a unit randomly in any region around you
it hits too fast for u to care about that really
u just aim it
frail veldt
so its always shooting in front of you
proven ocean
i think its slower out of AR+lower haste
frail veldt
thats good at least
proven ocean
yea
proven ocean
i think its slower out of AR+lower haste
but still rly fast
to hit everything insta
insta hit no AR low haste (13%)
proven ocean
it hits one target at a time
ur always joining arguments to spark up heat without knowing what its about
covert kestrel
<:ICANT:964717117071048774> ur always joining arguments to spark up heat without...
i mean mewo and i were totally on the same page
and we were wrong
proven ocean
ah you too
proven ocean
thought u were just trolling
frail veldt
<:ICANT:964717117071048774> ur always joining arguments to spark up heat without...
yeah honestly in this case im pretty sure the fact that it was ST was getting passed around a lot
could be zac being way overly exagerative
"its literally ST"
when it literally isnt
but idk
proven ocean
like
mewo
KS feels like a ST ability for multiple reasons
(its not a st ability) but why did he say that maybe because it barely spreads fazed because u have to actually aim it like ur playing csgo
and
tribal cosmos
ah zac is still here
proven ocean
it does st dmg but spread out
tribal cosmos
i havent been here in a year
random obsidian
been gearing outlaw for s3, is it just me or trickster feels kinda bad to play around? like, the gameplay of outlaw would be much smoother without trickster (not accounting damage throughput)
covert kestrel
been gearing outlaw for s3, is it just me or trickster feels kinda bad to play a...
are you talking about live or ptr
glass yew
!wa
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Class packs:
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Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
covert kestrel
live is pretty smooth, ptr/next patch has some pain points with it
proven ocean
but ye idk if theres a way to make KS feel better
frail veldt
@proven ocean it does turn
so the cone isnt only in front of you
so if theres a mob to your right
random obsidian
are you talking about live or ptr
both, not even taking killing spree into accout, just feels like everything gameplay related thats introduced by trickster is either unfun, clunky or not very intuitive
frail veldt
itll shoot a cone to your right
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> it does turn
fake animation i think
proven ocean
if u check fazed its like
proven ocean
applying to them equally
frail veldt
leme shadowplay it
covert kestrel
both, not even taking killing spree into accout, just feels like everything game...
idk its pretty in line with outlaw, changing your builders around your UB procs to optimize coup
proven ocean
these are the "real" hitbox
of KS
not the fire part
fire part is just an animation
random obsidian
idk its pretty in line with outlaw, changing your builders around your UB procs ...
ig it's just me then, i feel like playing around UB procs/Coup isnt very fun, but maybe thats just bc im struggling to learn the spec and it'll get better at some point
frail veldt
it points randomly
10000%
you can see the fazed apply differently
as it hits the other targets
so the cone points in a random direction
frail veldt
@proven ocean
covert kestrel
ig it's just me then, i feel like playing around UB procs/Coup isnt very fun, bu...
if youre learning the spec sure itll be tough cause its another spinning plate to keep track of, but is nice in general. just has some problems with being created around killing spree and killing spree got changed
frail veldt
ig it's just me then, i feel like playing around UB procs/Coup isnt very fun, bu...
are you also playing KiR or HO?
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006>
maybe it just has a chance to apply fazed but its high
idk
frail veldt
random obsidian
KiR, i'm fine with the basics (loved DF s3 Law) but tricksters added spinning plate doesnt click idk if im just dumb
frail veldt
wait
zeross
why is your KS different from mine
mine isnt even aoe
LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHA
wtf
it applied fazed 1 at a time
proven ocean
idk ur using pvp dummies
frail veldt
proven ocean
frail veldt
do you have bladeflurry on?
proven ocean
look its applying equally to me
lime lake
proven ocean
hmm let me check without bf if u mean that
frail veldt
yeah thats how current KS works
it applies fazed in the BF aoe
the new KS definitely just hits 1 target at a time
proven ocean
it just hits way less
frail veldt
between hits
proven ocean
i mean
proven ocean
u wont cast it without bf anyway
lime lake
this channel never disappoints
proven ocean
so it doesnt matter imo
proven ocean
dont think im wrong about it being aoe tho
frail veldt
nah like in pvp if you use feint it wouldnt reduce its damage
its for sure flagged as ST
cuz it hits 1 unit at a time
proven ocean
it still clarifies as aoe no matter what its just hitting less often
frail veldt
the damage type
is for sure ST
remember old KS used to hit randomly too
and that was still ST
it used to teleport to different units
wait actually I think that one did do aoe damage way back then
proven ocean
depends on the animation
frail veldt
like it would hit multiple mobs
proven ocean
cuz like
frail veldt
can you show hits
proven ocean
this one hits multiple mobs
frail veldt
in your details
proven ocean
it means its aoe
frail veldt
cuz mines broken
proven ocean
mewo
frail veldt
without BF up
frail veldt
yes it hits multiple units in an area for each damage instance
so the damge instances scale with units present in the area
can you show yoru details zeross
without bladeflurry on
covert kestrel
aoe = all enemies in the area getting hit for the same in the area, so ks is not aoe cause it is randomly one at a time in that area
*without bf
frail veldt
zeross show details pls
covert kestrel
like watch mewos clip
proven ocean
i cba with this conversation
frail veldt
okay we just have different definitions of aoe
covert kestrel
clearly one gets hit at a time
frail veldt
or if it hits them seperately
frail veldt
so fist of fury every tick hits all units
which is different from this which hits 1 unit per tick
like if you were to 1cp KS
would it hit multiple units?
proven ocean
so fist of fury every tick hits all units
yes but it doesnt have BF
u wont press KS without BF ever anyway
so it doesnt really matter
i dont think its an active issue personally
frail veldt
sure but im just genuinely curious cuz this impacts what things interact with it
does a 1cp KS hit multiple units
without BF
frail veldt
so it hits other units but it DOESNT apply fazed to them?
proven ocean
with BF it was 30 2 casts
frail veldt
I dont get it
proven ocean
idk
covert kestrel
frail veldt
wait
proven ocean
i told u
frail veldt
what is etheral reaping?
proven ocean
its only fazed issue
frail veldt
thats not KS
frail veldt
oh it looks liek thats what your mouse is on for some reason
proven ocean
proven ocean
aoe = all enemies in the area getting hit for the same in the area, so ks is not...
dude
frail veldt
but it hits all targets in aoe?
frail veldt
aoe = all enemies in the area getting hit for the same in the area, so ks is not...
look at his details though
proven ocean
is that
frail veldt
it applies 1 fazed
and hits multiple targets
even without BF
LOL
what the fuck are those devs doing
proven ocean
fazed is scuffed without BF, its even scuffed with BF because like its still a cone right
frail veldt
how did they make this fucked up shit
frail veldt
wait so whats even the aoe
proven ocean
same hits
frail veldt
HOLD UP
this is even worse
my KS that went sideways
didnt cause damage instances
on the other mobs
so the aoe is pointed randomly
proven ocean
nah it still hits
proven ocean
idk
covert kestrel
so its saying it hits but doesnt do damage?
frail veldt
so its saying it hits but doesnt do damage?
it hits, does damage, but only applies 1 fazed
it splits damage between all units
but applies fazed to the "targeted" unit
proven ocean
so its saying it hits but doesnt do damage?
numbers can be bugged
frail veldt
and the "target" is random
frail veldt
hahahahhahahahaha
proven ocean
just look at details
proven ocean
it is what it is cuh
thats the treatment we get and surprise people aren't playing rogue again
i wonder why
frail veldt
I mean they just dont have talented programmers
proven ocean
meanwhile mages get accurate and full designs that make full sense
proven ocean
and they get reworks every tier to change the flavor of it's class cuz why not
frail veldt
you could consume a buff twice
if you used an isntant at the end of a cast
blizzard has horrendous developer talent
frail veldt
this is a mechanics bug
frail veldt
bro you stil cant blink stairs
proven ocean
ye i know but like
not making fazed spread properly is easily fixable
and
having to aim it
is even more cringe
frail veldt
yeah it should never be an issue in the first place
if im giving them the benefit of the doubt its that they just didnt have enough time
sharp meteor
Hey guys, I've been trying to find an answer but is there any specific sort of guide on how to use junkmaestros? or do you just use on 30 stacks?
frail veldt
definitely use it at 30