outlaw

[frail veldt]

except for this disc?

[desert tendon]

But my favorite streamers!

Zero zac konaz

[proven ocean]

konaz yes yes

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

mmm konaz

yes yes

[proven ocean]

cooked fr fr

[desert tendon]

Tbf this seasons i ve watched à lot of unfortunateew

So many fun KS

[frail veldt]

just wait til I stream with keyboard cam

[desert tendon]

I ll sub

No cap

[frail veldt]

lolol

[desert tendon]

You better have good keybinds tho

[frail veldt]

I do

well

[proven ocean]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[frail veldt]

theyre good for me

[proven ocean]

cba deleting that

[frail veldt]

I use a lot of modifiers

[proven ocean]

hmm

wemo

do u play osrs?

or

[frail veldt]

nah

aint for me

[proven ocean]

ic ic

ye understandab le

half the game is brainrot anyway

i like the other half tho

[frail veldt]

Im not looking for more stuff to keep track of

[proven ocean]

like

[frail veldt]

can barely manage playing wow

[gaunt phoenix]

too ols

[proven ocean]

osrs's brainrot is the biggest brainrot out of all games in the universe

[gaunt phoenix]

old

[proven ocean]

its not even close

[frail veldt]

tru

I am old af

[proven ocean]

like

they have this 1 skill

like

idk whats a good way to put it

[desert tendon]

Mewo play Mario64

[proven ocean]

but like

imagine u need to level up 20 charecters

to lvl 80 ok

[frail veldt]

the n64 controller is so ass thoguh

[proven ocean]

no

actually

[desert tendon]

It is

[proven ocean]

50 charecters to lvl 80 ok?

[frail veldt]

hate that thing

[proven ocean]

but

getting that xp

[frail veldt]

granted the last time I used one was as a kid

[proven ocean]

in pet battles

imagine how bad that is

thats just 1 skill

in osrs

out of like 25

[frail veldt]

fuck that

0/10

why would anyone ever do that

wtf

[proven ocean]

BUT IN PET BATTLES

which is

[frail veldt]

you do that shit voluntarily?

[proven ocean]

10x worse

LOL

[frail veldt]

whats wrong with you

[proven ocean]

nah

u have to do it at some point

to reach max acc

[frail veldt]

"have to"

[proven ocean]

actually

[frail veldt]

whats the end goal here idgi

[proven ocean]

u may reach lvl 80 on 50 charecters faster even

its that slow

lmao

its sooooooooooooooooooooooo slow

and soooooooooooo bad

like

idk

its legit the worst thing in the world not just in the game

[gaunt phoenix]

all for an online game you might lose forever

...oh wait

[proven ocean]

alot of ppl bot it to max lvl tho

[lime lake]

seeing number go up

[proven ocean]

i mean

u have to do it for max cape

which is insane in the game

and u have to do it for other things to be easier which is idk brainrot devs are cooked imo

like

[desert tendon]

Zero

[proven ocean]

without explaining what im talking about

any osrs player will easily know what skill im talking about

[desert tendon]

Let s play mop class

[proven ocean]

without me talking about it

[desert tendon]

Classic

Together

[proven ocean]

idk

[desert tendon]

Let s RMP

[proven ocean]

im stopping wow compeltely no cappi

[desert tendon]

U Know

[proven ocean]

classic is the last thing i need

[gaunt phoenix]

... I forgot to add some HO with PC

[desert tendon]

You forgot to watch solo leveling

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm maybe I should add some HO with PC but also cut some builds

[proven ocean]

solko leveling

is rly good

no cappi

[crisp condor]

Is that outlawmallet page with raid buffs or without?

Took a glance through the github but couldn't tell

[gaunt phoenix]

probably

[long barn]

Can someone explain new KS to me on like… it hits random target in front of the cone, but all of them at once or like 1 target randomly? Is it AOE or ST ability. And does BF get dmg from it so it’s actually AOE but also ST?

Like should we try to fit as many mobs into the frontal of KS now?

[haughty vector]

Is there a rough bis list out there, or just sims that show equipped gear?

[formal echo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[willow portal]

what should i macro gs to?

[silver sluice]

One target at a time and yes it bfs

[willow portal]

mods?

[vivid vessel]

weird embed

[willow portal]

weird scam

[frail veldt]

Wt was that lol

[willow portal]

not even free nitro

[silver sluice]

Crypto bs

[serene hull]

bitcoin grifters zzzzzzz

[random stirrup]

im surprised this didnt get you auto modded

[willow portal]

if i added a link surely it would have worked

[formal echo]

anyone have a mod that hides combopoints when not in combat AND empty ?

[tight kernel]

So FB for ST, what about cleave fights? Do we want to trickers for that I’m guessing?

[long barn]

Sounds like it

[glass mortar]

apparently FB is similar on low target counts now

[long barn]

I’m sure someone will get a roadmap as to when the cleave out ways the 10%

[glass mortar]

im not sure what the damage distribution looks like tho

cause fatebound loses a lot of prio whenever u enter aoe situations but trickster is also just behind ST and has bigger cleave

so the profile might be different, will need to wait for more sims

[long barn]

How does this FB look into terms of other ST specs. Are we like A+ tier at least?

[tight kernel]

Yeah but thinking fights like cauldron or rik

Trickers angle? I know the immune adds that spawn count as targets so fb was scuffed pre 11.2

[hallow crow]

someone have the weekaura

for say what u weapon already have / to change

[cinder relic]

This won't matter

Ur more likely to play FB in raid

Like the dragon boss

[glass mortar]

i mean it might

depends how important the cleave is no?

if fatebound is losing 20% of its st to do "cleave"

and trickster does the same but only loses 12%

etc

u might need to decide which u wanna focus on on those fights

thats all i meant

idk what the ST damage in aoe build/in aoe scenario (only relevant for fatebound) looks like until we have more sims

[rapid phoenix]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eqRG2wih1cTPHRu723DsHD

anyone else getting seaforium popping off for them in dungeon slice?

[glass mortar]

define popping off

[rapid phoenix]

i mean

just doing more than netherprism

[glass mortar]

it looks like its beating egg by 0.2% (barely outside margin of error) and i dont know that u even need the haste from that sac

[rapid phoenix]

I've been holding nether windows for 4 buffs + vanish

[glass mortar]

probably timings with dslice but i also dont know if our apl has the optimizations for netherprism

[rapid phoenix]

and idk if these sim's techincally do that

[glass mortar]

might need a custom apl to do that

[rapid phoenix]

yea

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix wuld know

otherwise its just gunna be sending it on cd which isnt the worst but in dslice that might mean it using it right as a pack is dying and theres afk time etc

[rapid phoenix]

yea that makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw's default rotation is not updated for ptr

[rapid phoenix]

ahhh so mimiron

[glass mortar]

kk so no changes and its just gunna use that trinket on cd

[rapid phoenix]

is not good

[gaunt phoenix]

You can copy the apl here https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4i5KKvx1g6cwDGP2dEC56G

[rapid phoenix]

oh

ty ty

[gaunt phoenix]

Coincidenally, the apl does send prism with 4 buffs and vanish

[rapid phoenix]

oh astral and sigil

is it better to do that instead of running just astral?

[gaunt phoenix]

Prism is really close

you can perhaps prefer prism as it is on demand damage

[rapid phoenix]

yea

[glass mortar]

prism probably gunna be a magnet angle

since trinkets r close anyway

[rapid phoenix]

sort nice to have a cd

[glass mortar]

even tho its like 0.4% behind its flexibility gives it value

if u have a pack thats particularly dangerous u could save up a bigger use

damage amps etc

[rapid phoenix]

plus just the raw onhit effect

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

prisms can be held up to 20 now

btw

idk when that changed

[glass mortar]

wait did they change it to 4m

er 3m

[vivid vessel]

idk

but its not 15 stacks max anymore

[glass mortar]

200 seconds

[vivid vessel]

even tho the tooltip says 15

[glass mortar]

so

[gaunt phoenix]

the tuning yesterday made it 18 stacks

[vivid vessel]

ye 18 maybe

sure

[glass mortar]

makes sense

[rapid phoenix]

mine says 18 yea

[glass mortar]

3m people were complaining it capped at 2.5m

[vivid vessel]

i dont think i went that high anyway just know it went above 15

[glass mortar]

2.5m is a weird place to stop it too

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

[rapid phoenix]

yea usually I'm sending at like idk 5-6

[glass mortar]

basically saying "this trinket is great for anyone under 2m but if ur above that or a 1.5m sucks to suk"

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-nerfs-to-season-2-trinkets-on-season-3-launch-season-3-trinket-tuning-377972

[glass mortar]

now sub can hold the trinket for every other set of cds and use a 18 stacker on their burst

[rapid phoenix]

but could be huge to use for "boss takes 200% increased dmg" windows

and hodling it

[glass mortar]

😐

the burst is gunna be something

[rapid phoenix]

fuck it i'd rather hit a button than chase orbs onthe ground

tbh

I'm usually getting it with a KiR window twice in the window

[frank finch]

are the boots still not working on ptr

[rapid phoenix]

first time is like 6 stacks an the second one is like 2-3 idk if thats optimal but thats what i've been doing

[glass mortar]

probably the best way to do it is to get a maximum stack use that will entirely fall within your kir buffs during a kspree + vanish during that window

[rapid phoenix]

^

yea

[glass mortar]

probably that doesnt even sim noticably different then using it two times during the window tho

very feels thing imo

if u have the stars aligning or an important time with a vanish window u will just wanna use it

[rapid phoenix]

Well usually 4 buff + KS+ Vanish happens during a KiR window anways

and buffs lasting like 40 seconds

you get two windows of trinket use

idk

[glass mortar]

(by maximum stacks i mean as many stacks as u can hit without missing a use in that window fwiw, not literally 18 stacks)

[rapid phoenix]

maybe sending like 2 globals in between each use of a kiR window to get an extra stack but like at that point idk im not doing all that

Guild is asking me to roll rogue next tier b/c we lost ours and I told them I'm only playing outlaw so

[glass mortar]

gigachad

[rapid phoenix]

just in time for

[quiet ore]

We probably don't need to cut anything until it's off the PTR and I actually need full rebuilds to finish inside a week on the dedicated host.

[frank finch]

kb not even working right yet either spooky

[rapid phoenix]

they just really want ppl to hit envenom 600 times

I get it

just make it the gun button instead pls

[lime lake]

Just change the icon

Ez

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/VOzq5Sf ROSS

lock in

u are about to yapp

@proven ocean

heard all around the world

[daring oxide]

This trinket will be good for damage amps

Should be like that queen trinket

Or the one last expansion in aberrus

[tight kernel]

Define low? If it’s 5 or less or more?

[balmy topaz]

But the queen one

Has crit

This has fuckin haste

Big eww

Also if it killed the target it reduced the cd by 90 seconds

[vivid vessel]

haste has the same value as any stat

if anything we would rather get haste

[teal garnet]

also doesnt hit good unless its 5 target

[fathom bramble]

as long as you can shift stuff around to fit it in

crit/vers/haste are all basically the same thing

[dense bolt]

zac u done with ptr gaming today?

[vivid vessel]

ye prolly

im boosting a key in a few on live

then idk

might go ptr again

or just sleep

[dense bolt]

aightaight

10-4

[vivid vessel]

wtf is a 10-4

[lime lake]

6

[dense bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/104-good-buddy-scream-shout-gif-6031888

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-11316734097478999643

[vivid vessel]

i see

[plucky lantern]

Does anyone know if there is a specific head enchant that’s best overall?

[mighty pivot]

they are gone in 4 days

[real yew]

Guys, do we know which trinkets in s3 will be rly good for us?

[plucky lantern]

Awww they don’t carry over? 😔

[mighty pivot]

no they deactivate with the new season

get twilight devastation until then

[plucky lantern]

Thanks for clarifying for me

[formal echo]

what i got so far, lets see if its usefull x)

[desert tendon]

PRESS KIR WTF

[wintry solar]

Press another builder

It'll be funny

Trust

[vivid vessel]

rate the drip @desert tendon

[desert tendon]

ugly as fuck what is that

[slate plaza]

Zac is sexy 24-7

10/10

[slate plaza]

French style

[vivid vessel]

ddue tf

its the chess dude

maybe the boots are weird

i should find something else

[dim widget]

it looks better in brighter environment

on my human it looked pretty cool

elf too slouchy mby

[fair oak]

Then someone drops a circle on your head when timer hits 1 and now you have that mog but you're a draenei

And you look goofy

Silly goofy tomelvis

[mighty pivot]

blizzard and their unrealistic expectations of one-handed swords

why are some 1h swords bigger than the player models

[dense bolt]

did u atleast buy the chess mount

[desert tendon]

it s nothing like chess wtf

[vivid vessel]

ye

[dense bolt]

purple one goes hard

by completing travel log

[cold jewel]

i cant even watch a max stream without seeing Ross

hes everywhere

[dense bolt]

ross is 4 people btw

they share account

[cold jewel]

4 zacs in a trenchcoat

[dense bolt]

thats how he yaps in 400 apm

[balmy topaz]

Wait ross is on zacs stream talking?

[cold jewel]

no i just saw him yapping in the chat

[balmy topaz]

Max**

[cold jewel]

[balmy topaz]

Ahhh

[cold jewel]

would be a banger crossover tho ngl

[willow portal]

how big is the bf aoe?

like not in numbers but in feels

if i stand at the edge of a pull, would that circle cover the pull usually or should i try and stand in the middle of a pull ?

[dim widget]

be in the middle of the pull if possible

but dont grief mechanics or die or whateverm use common sense

[willow portal]

sorry already locked in on middle of pack and trolling now

[dim widget]

dont forget to flame healer while ur at it

[willow portal]

did that like 10mins ago already

feels good to be allowed to do that finally after swapping from tank

[dim widget]

ye you cant go without flaming him atleast ever 2 minutes

since we dont have a set cooldown every 1.30 or 2 min or whatever we gotta press that flame healer macro instead

[willow portal]

look at this death, not one heal

nothing i could do

[dim widget]

evade no?

and no feint pressed? 💀

[willow portal]

is that a healer spell

[wise cape]

Hey all, I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I am looking at the DalaranXP video from 4 months ago and see that his damage is pretty much double mine on the Underpin ?? boss even though I am about 15 ilvls above him from that point (I am 675). My rotation is decent, but I don't think it's twice as bad! I have pretty much have his same talent tree and brann talent suggestions as well. What do you think I am doing wrong?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/hashtagrogue/

[dense bolt]

can u see AR uptime on underpin? that will tell you if u doing decent or not

its basically first step

[glass mortar]

impossible to give any feedback based on gear

[wise cape]

What is AR uptime?

[glass mortar]

but

[dense bolt]

adrenaline rush

[wise cape]

Ah ok

[glass mortar]

underpin is not really a dps race

treating it as such will makei t harder for u

the only time ur dps really matters is when he shields

u can slow roll him, the most important factor is kicking bombs into adds

[dense bolt]

that aswell ^

[glass mortar]

as long as u stay ahead of adds u will never die to the damage he deals to u

and can just dps him down at ur leisure

hold trinkets and vanishes for his shield phase to burn it but its not even a big deal either honestly

and he drops way more bombs then u need to kill his adds spawns so make sure thats ur focus

if u want advice in improving ur dps we really need logs or vods to help

ur gear looks fine, could check ur haste level but at a glance it looked fine

but that fight is not a real dps check

so changing how you approach it might help more

[wise cape]

Yeah I really need to manage the ads better and be more consistant with AR uptime on him

[lime lake]

Underpin is 100% just kick bombas into adds

And you will be fine

[glass mortar]

i mean my AR uptime on that fight was probably like 50%

[lime lake]

Focus entirely on that

[glass mortar]

if it fell off during bomb phases id just wait for him to shield to reuse it

if u try to kick bombs into adds while maintaining 100% uptime you will likely just fuck yourself on both

and drop AR and get overwhelmed by adds

id basically use AR each shield and then dps him as much as i could for that adr then start doing bombs while dpsing if it was convienent and if it fell off I wouldnt reuse it until the next shield

my friend did the fight in like 10 minutes half naked on his priest

its all about mechanics and not getting overwhelmed. you can dps race it if u wanna

just makes it harder tho

[fathom bramble]

turning it into a bullet hell dps race is kinda fun though

[glass mortar]

i did that for the last 20%

stopped kicking bombs

and it was fun but i almost died to kspree

[fathom bramble]

I was trying to do it without kicking any bombs the other day

ended up needing to kill the 1st wave of goons

[glass mortar]

honestly all my advice is from when i did it at like 670 ilvl so

[fathom bramble]

no kicking is borderline impossible I think

[glass mortar]

its probably more reasonable to cleave down adds and ignore bombs now

the bomb way is waaaay easier tho

[fathom bramble]

because the underpin hates moving you kind of have to kick all the bombs near where you are tanking him anyway

or you spend 100 years out of melee range watching AR tick down

[glass mortar]

yea i just let it drop

i think the fight took me like 8 minutes

like i said i had like 50% adr uptime it just doesnt matter

break shields and kick bombs and autoattack him down if u want

its funny he does like no real damage to u if u have healer brann

[fathom bramble]

mythic magnet also almost soloes the shield each time

[glass mortar]

magnet was big yea

[frank bane]

Anyone do any trinket testing on PTR? I was curious if Sigil of Cosmic Hunt worked with BF.

[fathom bramble]

important outlaw news, there are 2 new eye patches on the trading post this month

[glass mortar]

trinkets dont flurry their damage

if thats what ur asking

not sure what u mean by work with BF tho

[balmy topaz]

[dawn talon]

bc we're magically empowered supersoldiers

[lime lake]

[dense bolt]

@proven ocean u here??

[daring oxide]

can you send me some mog inspirations please

[dense bolt]

vai did u get wep btw

[daring oxide]

oh

i was halfway to doing it

then got bored xd

[dense bolt]

did it work

[daring oxide]

ill try again shortly

[dense bolt]

kk

[daring oxide]

logging back on

[frank finch]

holy the trder post is stacked this month

[stuck patrol]

And cover one of my eyes to reduce my shooting accuracy? No thanks, I know this is a psyop to make outlaw players do less damage to reduce the average to get blizzard to buff us more

[vivid vessel]

holy shmoke

we got a new representative

[dense bolt]

lock in bud

smile !

[fathom bramble]

I have no idea who that is

[dense bolt]

just started playing

[vivid vessel]

he is mostly a sin guy

but he is a really cool dude

[dense bolt]

ye sin dude

[vivid vessel]

he does streaming and twitch videos

[vagrant saddle]

whats his twitch?

[dense bolt]

but for outlaw i think hes lost with love

but he does really know alot when it comes to sin and sub so

[stuck patrol]

Shindiggity shindiggity shin shin diggy

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/shindigwow

[vagrant saddle]

ty sir

[fathom bramble]

nice

[dense bolt]

loktark

when u gonna step up

and yapp

would go hard

[vivid vessel]

also he gets actual views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKPweYtoUN0&t=180s

this one got 160k

for a wow thing

thats kinda insane

was a fun vid

[fathom bramble]

probably never

[vagrant saddle]

oh wait, I watch this guys videos

he is large

[fathom bramble]

I don't reeally like the tierlist and have nothing to gain from doing it

[dense bolt]

trueing

[fathom bramble]

I also don't think someone that only plays 1 spec should talk on all 3

[near rock]

ye I agree

[keen belfry]

What about that awang guy he would be good at talking about all 3

[vivid vessel]

ok well

tbf

he is like guy kinda

he plays all 3 spec

[fathom bramble]

I was talking about the idea of me talking

[vivid vessel]

just sin is meta so he plays only meta

ah

[keen belfry]

Good idea imo

[random stirrup]

wdym guy is a sin/sub 2 trick

[near rock]

guy doesnt even play rogue
(ragebait)

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

i didnt say anything

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[keen belfry]

Who’d do better guy or zac

Or weran

[random stirrup]

guy

[vagrant saddle]

for rogue guy for outlaw azc

[cinder relic]

I think I'm a brand risk for max now

So I don't get brought on

[random stirrup]

the gn incident

[keen belfry]

Oh yeah the Lockout Guild

[cinder relic]

[gilded tinsel]

max never says I love you back

[cinder relic]

Stole my bit, and then blacklisted me

Smh

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

didnt you get on it last time

[cinder relic]

I did yeah

After asking like, 10 times lol

[vivid vessel]

but that was after all the drama no ?

ah

[fathom bramble]

are you sure

I'm a tauren

[cinder relic]

I could be reading too much into it, but it felt like he was stalling for a better person to bring on

[vagrant saddle]

we have trench coats and fedoras, what else do u need for tmog

[vivid vessel]

vurai did you see the new cook or

[cinder relic]

And then nobody showed up so he was like, shit gotta bring on guy

[fathom bramble]

all the coats and hats look horrible on tauren so

[vivid vessel]

bring on that guy guy ..

[sudden fulcrum]

bro looking like a chess piece

[frank finch]

full traders post mog

cant fool me

[glass mortar]

i still remember the legend whispyr hiding in the bathroom at work (probably not where he actually was) to call in for rogue a few seasons ago when we had nobody at all

[fathom bramble]

threw on an old white one for the new white eyepatch

[glass mortar]

and we had to coach him in discord what to say for outlaw

[red zinc]

I mean who else is there to bring on but whispyr if guy aint there

Nobody in rogue comm talks lets be honest

[glass mortar]

i think zac was still a green name back then but idr

and of course zac could never go on

hes french

[gaunt phoenix]

get zero

[glass mortar]

!!

[red zinc]

And the raiders don’t seem like they got any clue about the overall state of rogue judging by that tier list posted

[glass mortar]

outlaw permanently banned from max tier lists

if not all rogue specs

[frank finch]

the rare solo shit post

[glass mortar]

speedrun

[balmy topaz]

Get casual on

[frank finch]

lowkey

[red zinc]

Ive seen worse ideas

[random stirrup]

casual is a good option

[red zinc]

hed probably meme the whole time too though

[cinder relic]

I feel like I got a good grasp on all 3 rogue specs but oh well

[balmy topaz]

He’s in Greece tho

[red zinc]

you do

[cinder relic]

Hopefully the new guy knows what he's saying

[balmy topaz]

It’s like 3am no?

[dense bolt]

fucking amen ross get on bud @proven ocean

[balmy topaz]

Who’s on

I’m on phone atm

Shin?

[random stirrup]

no hate to shindig but i think i only really trust him for assa

kinda like if whispyr was on

[red zinc]

Idk who that is so he’s gotta be an assa otp

[keen belfry]

How long after end of season do you get the m+ title on your character

[glass mortar]

20 years

[red zinc]

Like a month

[keen belfry]

(Subtle flex)

A month wtf

[red zinc]

ye

They gotta check exploits and stuff

Shouldnt take THAT long but oh well

[keen belfry]

Oh I’m cooked then

[vivid vessel]

wtf

im also cooked guys

i perma exploit

r1 exploiter here

[red zinc]

Thats the story they use i dont know if anyones ever been got on EU/NA

[glass mortar]

we all know that

[random stirrup]

slice and dice bug abusers will be blacklisted!

[glass mortar]

the day they take ER bug away frfr zac is gunna crashout forever

[red zinc]

china got like 7k people and we’ve barely ever got suspensions lmao

[keen belfry]

Zac might actually bug abuse more than me

[random stirrup]

(raid buff and flask bug abusers will not)

[glass mortar]

well they dont really ban the people

they just get DQed from titles right

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

easier

[red zinc]

no clue

[snow hill]

Waiting for the new patch to drop be like:
https://youtube.com/shorts/VI373N2R8aU?si=6TqIkdDF1zdtAvtH
I don't know why this is so satisfying.

[keen belfry]

It’s close idk yet

[vagrant saddle]

why cant we just have 2 rogue guys

one for outlaw one for the others

[red zinc]

china lizzard got it honestly

They’re working on some cool stuff

guess they can since they don’t work on the actual game only additional stuff

[frank finch]

we need thumbnails like this

when we get changes

[gaunt phoenix]

[dense bolt]

raw chicken goes hard

[red zinc]

THIS IS UNEMPLOYEE ABUSE

[sinful mist]

!wa

[junior wagon]

@vivid vessel im afraid to ask but is it possible that you wont get penality for deaths in the last minute of a dungeon timer. I saw this live on stream and also on youtube.

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[junior wagon]

maybe im dripping

[vivid vessel]

ye you dont

idk if its 1 min

is it ?

prolly 1 min ye

[junior wagon]

idk you are the goat 😄

yeah 1 min okay

maybe last x % of dungeon timer?

[vivid vessel]

Nah it's probably 1 min ye

[lone crow]

yes 1min

[junior wagon]

okay 1 min

[daring oxide]

whats the new cook

[vivid vessel]

The chess mog bro

[lime lake]

the chess hoverboard is so silly lmao

[daring oxide]

i thought u were gonna say the stealth pot lol

[frank finch]

u got the chess mount to?

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

that works

we prolly use that instead of pots now

but doesnt work on bosses

since its meld

[frank finch]

nah nah

i need sims

or stfu

[vivid vessel]

well

meld is 2% ahead iirc

pot is 0.4% value rn

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

if you make meld 5 min cd

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

instead of 2

its prolly at like

low balling

0.8% gain

right

so thats better than pot

[frank finch]

meld plus meld pot

imagine

fuck me i edited that 4 times

[glass mortar]

theres some weird stuff tho like

if ur using ur meld pot

getting it off at times without wasting vanish cdr, especially early in dungeons or if uve recovered near 2 charges over a downtime

[dense bolt]

is there even a use for meld + meld pot like

[glass mortar]

it can take awhile to get thru ur 2 vanish charges on dungeon trash if u got good procs

[dense bolt]

somewhere its a net negative no?

like overcapping subt is that a thing or

at a point

[glass mortar]

u might clip some of its cdr value at times or need to delay a pot so much u lose usages

guess we'll see how it works out

if it doesnt work on bosses thats like

u really wanna buy and bind two types of pots?

[dense bolt]

yea the robot will tell the truth but

[red zinc]

idk man meld is alr awkward as hell

[glass mortar]

mhm

[red zinc]

Pot probably the same

dwarf supremacy

[glass mortar]

how long until we get a dwarf potion

😠

[lime lake]

kyrian phial my beloved

[dense bolt]

i mean how long til they neutralize race and i can log off this god awful dwarf dude

all mogs

sucks

with dwarf

[lime lake]

yeah they said they didnt want to make sweeping changes to racials because just because of m+

but just like

do it

[glass mortar]

also @red zinc u lied 2 me about that interview

they definitly did not say no to dh 3rd spec

this is the most weasily lawyer language ive seen

same shit they said for third evoker spec i swear

😠

yea im sure theyd just admit a 3rd dh spec was in the works

[fathom bramble]

same shit they say for everything that is unannounced whether they have plans or not

[glass mortar]

mhm

[fathom bramble]

I swear they said almost this exact thing about a naga question 10 years ago

[vivid vessel]

ye

[lime lake]

yeah its a big nothingburger answer

[vivid vessel]

they always talk like this lol

[daring oxide]

in midnight they will change racials into character traits so we can play whatever we want and then everyone will be two races, blood elves and void elves and wow will become elven supremacy

[dense bolt]

i mean i wouldnt mind

[fathom bramble]

that would be sick

[stray star]

How difficult would it be to balance outlaw if bf didn't have a cap?

[glass mortar]

no more difficult then it is on live

well i assume u mean softcapping

balancing bf around being completely uncapped would be much more difficult then live or softcap i think

[stray star]

Yes, but what would that be like? As in live, the greater the number of ads, the lower the cleave percentage?

[glass mortar]

softcapping would mean you do the same split up to 8, then past 8 the damage BF does to the targets past 8 diminishes

[royal ermine]

removing racials would be one of the best things they'd have done in years

[glass mortar]

so you would be cleaving say your 15th target for like 5% damage maybe

it doesnt change how much damage you do to up to 8 targets

[stray star]

Make sense

[glass mortar]

it wouldnt be as big a buff as people think

generally speaking on 20 targets the damage difference between an 8t softcap and an 8t hardcap is like 12% or something?

someone did the math years ago

[random stirrup]

aint no way

isnt it like 100%

[glass mortar]

the damage falls off exponentially

or logarithmically?

honestly i havent checked the calculation in a few expacs

[stray star]

What bothers me about wow is having some specs without caps and others with them, it doesn't make sense to me

[random stirrup]

the damage added per target falls off exponentially, but you're still gaining damage

[glass mortar]

yes

i said u were gaining damage

[random stirrup]

ability does 100 damage softcap 8
at 8 targets, 800 damage
at 20 targets, 20 * 100 * 0.6325 = 1265 damage

58% gain

[glass mortar]

thats way higher then i remember, maybe i was remembering the math someone did for 5t softcap

[fathom bramble]

it would mostly serve to reduce a weakness slightly, but we would still lose to burst specs on those types of pulls

[red zinc]

i like the lil identity though

So long as its tuned to be one of the strongest classes on cleave target counts

[fathom bramble]

it also can help in certain raid encounters just from letting you actually hit things evenly

[glass mortar]

but even thats higher

[fathom bramble]

not being allowed to even activate BF on anduin because you are only hitting 4-7 of the ghosts 👌

[random stirrup]

theres a nice lil graph

5 soft cap does do 100% more on 20 which is prob what i remembered

[vivid vessel]

ok so

waht i tought about target cap

i want target cap to be reworked

so that your damage goes in priority to high hp targets

then say im on first apck brew

im hitting all 3 muscles

instead of litteraly hitting one only

and the rest is rng fuckery

then iu would be fine with being target capped

at least you remove the worse part of being target capped

which is your damage vanishing

into nothing

ness

[red zinc]

great idea

never happening

[vivid vessel]

i know ty

[warped mantle]

just play 3 outlaw

only pull 8 mob

always hit every mob

??

[civic zephyr]

honestly even if they removed the soft cap and increase the DR on it for us,id still take

it just feels shitty to be playing and pulls happening where i can only hit 50-70% of whats pulled

[tight kernel]

So what’s the tldr with meld and the pot? Race change nelf the move?

[civic zephyr]

while other classes just get to do what they need

[civic zephyr]

the pot works like other pots, it has a 5min cd, so if youre using meld as frequent as some people do in m+ and stuff, maybe not, but its useful for people that arent a nelf and wanna just remove a mechanic or some on themselves

[minor trellis]

GUYS

i need 2nd opinions

im thinking outlaw is dobby raid bc no cds and liek B or A m+. its good in phys comp but doesnt seem like a very puggable spec (same as current szn). do ppl agree/disagree

[civic zephyr]

are you playing in a CE competitive guild and +20s?

[cinder relic]

If u only care about fotm shit just reroll dk or some shit

Fdk is thanos this tier

It's the best melee dps not close

[lime lake]

nah shindig is just some random

not even good

[cinder relic]

Idk if that'll translate directly to keys but it seems broken there too so

[lime lake]

[minor trellis]

wot

[minor trellis]

ye

[cinder relic]

Oh if Ur talking about the max thing then probably 1 tier below sub/sin

[minor trellis]

ya

[cinder relic]

Imo

[minor trellis]

ya i was leaning that way for m+, i was also thinking not having a cd profile is rly bad this raid tier tho

[vagrant saddle]

downsell outlaw so we get buffed

[minor trellis]

so i was thinking of putting it lower for raid

[latent oak]

say that we need acro back

pls big man

[civic zephyr]

are you a big ish content creator?

[stiff vector]

its same old shit every tier, always a few fights where theres a dmg amp/intermission or some kind of mechanical downtime that is terrible for outlaw

[civic zephyr]

if yes, go make a video about outlaw being doodoo so we get buffed more xD

[stuck patrol]

I feel like out of all specs who could use increased melee range, it would be outlaw

[minor trellis]

lmao

[random stirrup]

seems like it is gonna turbo blast the cleave bosses and then struggle really badly on last 2 with the downtime and dmg amps

[stuck patrol]

Esp with how outlaw works rn

[minor trellis]

yeah i was leaning this train of thought

[random stirrup]

especially since both last 2 look like tindral style flying around downtime where you can't vanish to save AR even

[lime lake]

last boss will not be fun for outlaw for sure

dragonriding pog

[cinder relic]

Cd's usually matter way less than ppl say, but this tier does specifically have damage amps so

[stiff vector]

theres like an MC mechanic or something on last 2 which is gonna be for outlaw

[latent oak]

isnt that only if u fail the mehcanic

[minor trellis]

i think its a combo of damage amps + downtime right

[random stirrup]

it does seem like it is going to destroy bosses 3/4/5 though gonna be owning on those

[minor trellis]

if u have to get off the boss to solve a mechanic and it takes 5s, outlaw is losing the most compared with sin and sub

[cinder relic]

It is going to do a lot of aoe on the aoe fights

[minor trellis]

right so like situationally could be rly good

but awkward too bc ur prob gearing dagger specs so on those fights it might blast u prob wont have gear for it

unless u outlaw one trick

[stiff vector]

I mean it should definitely blast adds on the fights with adds....but at the cost of doing far less boss damage than other classes.

[red zinc]

I mean lowkey if the instant damage amp shit is true itll be better than assa at that on dimensius

[stuck patrol]

It's time to ditch crackshot for greenskins guys, how can we lose adr uptime when it's already low?

[red zinc]

but no way to know how thatll work exactly till raid week

[random stirrup]

yea if a rwf rogue has like some random split alt with a crafted sword mainhand they might be convinced to bring it to those 3 bosses but no way is it good on last 2

[red zinc]

just a sub tier anyway

[cinder relic]

Outlaw will be the best on multiple fights

[near rock]

absolutely not dobby tier, the spec had a solid performance this tier according to the stats for 11.1, minimum b tier but I'd lean A given there are some fights that outlaw will excel at in the upcoming raid

[frank finch]

how do i sim if simc is not working on ptr

[red zinc]

Yall think dimensussy will live up to the hype or nah

[stiff vector]

Theres also kind of the issue on the fights w/ adds where you have to decide between playing Trickster to blast adds, but do significantly less ST, or play Fatebound and do less add damage, but also do less boss damage than Trickster would if those adds are being cleaved around the boss.

[red zinc]

Theyve been yapping about this fight in interviews so much

If its not 100x better than gally ill be whelmed

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/DWqI7YO \

[cinder relic]

Outlaw overall is probably a tier worse than sub/sin but it's not that bad imo

[dense bolt]

!!!!

[cinder relic]

I think sub/sin are like, A so

[red zinc]

Groupie

[daring oxide]

we are dobby both raid and m+ we need 20% aura buff and uncap blade flurry (this is most important thing to say)

[cinder relic]

Like I said, here are multiple fights where outlaw is just better lol

[novel socket]

A you sure? Dont overhype like you did in undermine pls

You gonna call max?

[cinder relic]

Nop

[minor trellis]

valid i think i might have been putting too much emphasis on the later bosses, should give ti credit for fights it can do well on

[vivid vessel]

i think outlaw in m+ is worse than in s2 in s3, and the st is quite subpar still, no raidbuff, meh utility, no cooldowns which can be an issue, but its not bad imo, it will do good in the melee comp again i think
and for raid the issue is not having cds and being reliant on uptime you need to do quite a lot of damage to do something, and the only thing you do good is padding on useless adds rn imo, or the dh cleave boss, i dont expect outlaw to be played by any race guy this tier + the weapon issue, where you cant craft /level an outlaw weapon

[cinder relic]

There's no padding on the dh boss lol

[vivid vessel]

there is a virgule

and a or

[red zinc]

what

[unkempt cypress]

How's OL lookin on ptr?

[cinder relic]

It also depends how important adds are. If the fight is brood twister where you need infinite aoe damage

[red zinc]

what does and a or mean

[cinder relic]

They might be totally worthless but we've no idea where the pain points of an encounter are rn

[daring oxide]

if he asks you whats the one thing you wanna request from devs, uncap blade flurry!

[vivid vessel]

"or"

[lime lake]

the word or is there

[vivid vessel]

its there

i wrote or

[minor trellis]

thanks for the input all i appreciate

[red zinc]

nephew its too late for this

[stiff vector]

I mean I think Outlaw will look not bad on overall raid damage statistics since it will cleanup any fights with cleave/aoe dmg but be between the bottom and mid for boss damage depending on the boss pending any further tuning.

[vivid vessel]

@minor trellis please tell them to bring back acro

[lime lake]

[random stirrup]

[red zinc]

Please tell them to ban zeross account

[cinder relic]

[red zinc]

😃 👍

[dense bolt]

[minor trellis]

[novel socket]

rework deathstalker please if you can change one thing

[red zinc]

YOWZA 🤠

[stiff vector]

Whatever you do, dont let Zeroos cook

[wooden ember]

Rework all the hero talents

[red zinc]

We must sacrifice seventeen murlocs to restore favor from the gods

[vivid vessel]

wdym deathstalker

rework all of them

[lime lake]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

not a single hero talent is passable

all of them are shit

[lime lake]

its rough times

with rogue hero trees

[novel socket]

Trickster playstyle sub is decent

[red zinc]

honestly

[lime lake]

imagine if the time spent on hero trees had instead been put towards the base specs

[vivid vessel]

ye but its half baked for outlaw

[red zinc]

say every single change from someone specific in this channel would be pushed through to ptr

[lime lake]

[red zinc]

would said person be satisfied

[vivid vessel]

dude

[lime lake]

i mean if that specific person wasnt satisfied by getting everything they want

[vivid vessel]

i would be satysfied if they just halfed ks duration thing

just one thing the whole ptr

i would be fine

they did 0

[lime lake]

nailed it first iteration

[vivid vessel]

no they didnt

[lime lake]

ez

[red zinc]

it was perfect icl

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/Rf4El8D any1 else wanna join??? @balmy topaz ??

[lime lake]

[red zinc]

deserved vacation for the devs

[lime lake]

yup

[red zinc]

see em for 12.0

[lime lake]

thats more outlaw rogues than ive seen all season

[dense bolt]

wanna come?

[red zinc]

id log on but im shitposting from a guys toilet

[dense bolt]

or noob na?

[lime lake]

noob na

[dense bolt]

gg l2p bozo o7

[cinder relic]

I think trickster is solid

I feel like the hero talents need more synergy, fatebound and ds

I like ds sin still a lot

[daring oxide]

they need bug fixin too

[unborn basin]

I think overall, we're all gonna have fun with the changes and updates .. def stoked for s3

[cinder relic]

But ds being shit for sub, and fatebound being a bit awkward for both sucks

[cinder relic]

Rogue has been fun all expansion

[daring oxide]

only outlaw

outlaw fun

[red zinc]

assa made me quit the game in season 1

outlaw clutched up

[vivid vessel]

guys new drip rate

[red zinc]

in season 2

[near rock]

then why do i only ever see u on hearthstone...

caught

[cinder relic]

I haven't played all expansion

[red zinc]

Vurai full set andy

[cinder relic]

The hs Devs are literally the worst Devs I've ever watched

Genuinely

[red zinc]

Send him to kyrgyzstan

[near rock]

[cinder relic]

They need to all be fired

Like I'm not trolling

[vivid vessel]

???

wtf

you litteraly cannot say this

[cinder relic]

They have released 4 sets in a row, and all 4 sets have been unplayable

[lime lake]

[red zinc]

i can log in and play them right now wym

[cinder relic]

Imagine a wow raid releases and all the gear in the 2nd tier is lower ilvl

[vivid vessel]

The wow Devs are literally the worst Devs I've ever watched
Genuinely
They need to all be fired
Like I'm not trolling

[cinder relic]

That's what the hs Devs keep doing

[wooden ember]

DS for sin sucks as well. Yeah it does damage but it can be annoying to play at times. Feels half baked on sin

[vivid vessel]

fuck imma get banned now

[daring oxide]

best mog

[cinder relic]

Wrong

Ds sin is fun

[vivid vessel]

thats cause you dont play it in m+

its so horrible

[random stirrup]

making murloc paladin and that abomination priest deck was actual ragebait i think

[cinder relic]

I do

Try again

[vivid vessel]

cant target swap and shit

ok

[red zinc]

We don’t use these phrases that shut down others’ opinions

[cinder relic]

I like it in keys roo

[vivid vessel]

it wasnt like that

[red zinc]

We say “I respectfully disagree with your stance”

[vivid vessel]

for once

[wooden ember]

I actually prefer it more in M+ than raid with target swaps

[lime lake]

[daring oxide]

rate my mog

i call this dancelaw

[nova sinew]

do you play with subterfuge? it is a lot worse without imo

[dense bolt]

7/10

[red zinc]

5.6

/5.7

[cinder relic]

Yeah just the bleed build

I dont push keys I just play keys for vault

Idgaf about "ooo target swapping wtf I need to even cleave the pack down"

I pick a target and I hitt he target

and then swap when it dies

[nova sinew]

yeah i mean you do that in the cleave build too but sometimes sudden demise does not give you darkest night

[pliant wave]

This raid has multiple bosses (Bosses 4, 7, and 8) with mechanics that increase damage taken, and it’s important to push high damage during those windows. In particular, on Dimensius, damage taken is increased by 100% for 15 seconds, which will likely make Outlaw perform poorly.

[nova sinew]

or youll get hit by something while in stealth

[lime lake]

me when i accidentally mark a scaffold and lose it entirely

[red zinc]

this reads like it was written by AI

[daring oxide]

rate this mog I call it the 'deadly blueberry':

[lime lake]

[nova sinew]

and you have to wait longer for tank to gather because of the shorter IC window

[pliant wave]

That's correct

[cinder relic]

What you are describing is friction, and sometimes friction is good

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

Batman couldn't beat this confession out of me

[nova sinew]

losing mark to a bug does not feel good

[red zinc]

true love friction

[vivid vessel]

i hate when guy does this

[red zinc]

love rubbin on shit

[vivid vessel]

defending evil shit

[cinder relic]

Does what

[red zinc]

mmm

[mighty pivot]

the F word

[cinder relic]

Deathstalkers mark is fun

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder relic]

Idk what u want me to say

I enjoy it

[vivid vessel]

no

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-needs-that-little-bit-of-friction-a-little-rubbing-a-little-tension-rub-motorcycle-gif-14848828

[pastel sierra]

Bleed build def made me enjoy assa a lot more this season
put out garrote and rupture > press CT > top dps

[nova sinew]

yeah but you lose it randomly sometimes

with no counterplay

[vivid vessel]

i think your opinion is not valid

and i have decided you were wrong

[nova sinew]

and you have to be very specific about when to use vanish

[vivid vessel]

sorry

[pastel sierra]

I think were talking about different content tho zac

[cinder relic]

I mean idk

I had it tweak out maybe like

[pastel sierra]

Who cares if my deathstalker mark vanishes in a +12

[cinder relic]

1/40 dungeons

[pastel sierra]

I do dmg anyways

[cinder relic]

Literally

[pastel sierra]

No wipe no deplete

[red zinc]

In my personal opinion, your typing is a waste of data transfer

[nova sinew]

every time ive zoned into 20 fg i had the mark bug on architect scaffolds

gg no damage rest of that long ass pack

[wooden ember]

If it wasn't for the bleed build, DS sin would feel so much worse. Especially when pushing. But if you're just farming keys for vault then it won't really be noticeable

[cinder relic]

Yeah and if my grandma had wheels she would be a bike

[nova sinew]

it also bugs for me on top first boss pretty commonly but that is less of an issue because you kill them together

also it will not be fun in eco dome when you just lose the buff unless you sit on darkest night

[pastel sierra]

Press vanish skill issue

[lime lake]

ye the bosses dont actually die so the mark doesnt reset

fun mechanic

[red zinc]

my dad pressed vanish because he had to reapply ds mark i think

He never ambushed again though

[lime lake]

f

[nova sinew]

in bleed build mark is not a problem then

same as how iron wire is actually good in that build

[cinder relic]

I think more of the hero talents need to feel better for both specs either way tho

I think the only one that achieves that rn is trickster

DSM being mega shit for SUB is kinda lame

[pastel sierra]

All specs actually

[lime lake]

i do like trickster on sub

[cinder relic]

I dont like trickster outlaw but I get the appeal

[vivid vessel]

i think trickstrer on outlaw is also super offensive

its alright on sub

[lime lake]

it has some weird interactions but thats just sub spec fantasy

so its fine

[pastel sierra]

It really still feels like they designed hero spec as an extension of one spec and then went 'oh but what if our players want a choice' and then tried to cram each hero tree into one other spec

[proper berry]

sub feels like crap compared to ol and Assa

[lime lake]

im definitely not big on hero trees in general

[cinder relic]

I think hero talents are great

Just some suck, same as any other syste

[pastel sierra]

Yeah

[proper berry]

fatebound is lol

[lime lake]

my opinion on them is definitely heavily biased because of the specs ive played yeah, there are some that are apparently quite good

the evokers in my guild like flameshaper a lot

[fathom bramble]

if a hero tree doesn't have a significant number of apl changes then it's probably poorly designed imo

[cinder relic]

Strongly disagree

If both do nothing, sure

But if one is involved, and one does nothing, I think thats chill

[nova sinew]

gameplay is not the issue with fatebound

[pastel sierra]

I liked having the start of s2 thing of being able to 'either play trickster or fatebound depending on situation'(excluding the KS factor) on outlaw, idk if any other spec had an actual choice. Disc i think

[vivid vessel]

fatebound only bring negatvies to the spec

[fathom bramble]

it would mean none of the stuff your tree provides is actually doing anything other than just random damage bonuses