#outlaw

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prime hound
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
covert kestrel
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we all won't rings

wintry solar
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The energy drinks came in

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Drank 3 and went to sleep

covert kestrel
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adhd is a bitch

wintry solar
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No way it's that

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Because

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I said so

lime lake
wintry solar
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If you say nuh uh, it legally cannot be true

mighty pivot
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popo's diet consists exclusively of energy drinks and twinkies

wintry solar
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Dude I miss twinkies

mighty pivot
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are they gone?

wintry solar
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From my house yes

lime lake
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the last one died in captivity a couple months ago

wintry solar
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So sad

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I had one a couple months ago

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Was a mystery flavor and it tasted like red twizzlers

pallid wraith
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I have a Twinkie from 1972 if you interested

mighty pivot
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damn I only know like 1 'murrican snack and I was spot on for you popo

balmy topaz
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98%

wintry solar
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If you were spot on you'd have said cosmic brownies

lime lake
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those things are so terrible

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but also a core part of my childhood

wintry solar
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Gotta warm it up and wash it down with a gallon of milk because it's like putty in your throat.

mighty pivot
wintry solar
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I think I'm gonna go to the store and buy a bunch of junk food

wintry solar
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They're the best and worst thing at the same time

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Actually that belongs to zebra cakes

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The zebra cake downfall needs to be studied

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Research papers need to be published

mighty pivot
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is that white chocolate around them?

wintry solar
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It's a thin layer of frosting

frail veldt
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so its a cake

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with stripes?

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idgi

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what makes it a unique cake

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is it like a special batter or something

wintry solar
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It's a sponge cake

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It was good years ago and now it's not

lime lake
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made with real zebra

frail veldt
wintry solar
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Hooves and all

frail veldt
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like youre saying shops dont make them right?

mighty pivot
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they enslaved zebras to make them

lime lake
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regulation cracked down and now they can only use artificial zebras

wintry solar
dense bolt
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holy solo cooking for next season my guy

mighty pivot
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I bet they don't even use real zebra milk

wintry solar
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From little debbie

glass mortar
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It's one of the little Debbie products and they fell off allegedly in the last 10 years

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Changed their recipes

frail veldt
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I have no idea

glass mortar
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I havent had a cosmic brownie in like 15 years man

frail veldt
glass mortar
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Throwback af

frail veldt
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I dont even know what little debbie is

dense bolt
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weran u outlawing or survival hunting for next season?

glass mortar
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Idk

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My hunters 650 and honestly surv is still worse then s1

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Might just monk and rogue

worldly shale
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nuh uh

dense bolt
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Sadge

glass mortar
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My evokers 655 tho I could do that

worldly shale
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cock rings bis

frail veldt
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and play what spec?

dense bolt
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evoker is always good

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atleast in raid

glass mortar
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Dev looks strong next season

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And pres

frail veldt
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40apm

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id rather die

glass mortar
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It's relaxing

frail veldt
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I bet haha

worldly shale
glass mortar
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I wonder if they have the biggest 1 button press in the game with gulf

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Maybe only if u count consume flame as well

dense bolt
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i saw some insane like beams with dev evoker for next season

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looks cool

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the blue one

frail veldt
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I just hate how the dracthyr model turned out

glass mortar
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Yea the set for scale commander spawns u pets that do more blue beans and let's u 5 man beam or something

frail veldt
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they REALLY missed prime opportunity to have one of the body types actually be burly

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like the bodyguards in valdrakken

glass mortar
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Unfortunatly it's dogpoo

dense bolt
frail veldt
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that wouldd have been so sick

glass mortar
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They r gulfers again

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Big gulfs

dense bolt
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mewo u just sticking with outlaw?

frail veldt
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I play all 3 priest specs depending what my friends need, blood dk, mage, and outlaw

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in DF I had one of every class except monk lol

keen belfry
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I’m back

dense bolt
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holymoly i never have time for alts

keen belfry
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Did I miss anything

frail veldt
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I dont either anymore

keen belfry
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Mewo

dense bolt
keen belfry
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REM

frail veldt
keen belfry
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Did I miss anything

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I’m back

frail veldt
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I mean

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you missed something

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but was it anything?

keen belfry
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Am I still rage baiting guy?

frail veldt
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lol

keen belfry
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I was at the 1516 in Vienna

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Too busy for that

stiff vector
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Awang

keen belfry
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Yo

dense bolt
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guys im so ready for next season

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i cant wait for reworked ks

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but then not play it

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cuz fatebound is just better

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in some cases

frail veldt
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youre gona play trickster most of the time I think

dense bolt
frail veldt
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also you play KS as fatebound

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btw

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afaik

dense bolt
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its just unfort that new ks isnt gonna be played on like fractillus

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prob

frail veldt
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wdym

dense bolt
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etc

frail veldt
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I just said you play KS as fatebound

keen belfry
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Okay I have to play trickster all m+?

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I can do that

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What about in raid guys

dense bolt
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cuz fatebound just sims higher st and its a full st fight

frail veldt
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are you reading

wintry solar
frail veldt
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lol

dense bolt
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im the r word

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sorry

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i skipped what u wrote

keen belfry
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I’m not reading mewo

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What do I play

frail veldt
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with your hog

mighty pivot
keen belfry
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Every time the bartender came up I said “give me your favorite please”

dense bolt
keen belfry
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Now here we are

frail veldt
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are you sauced on a thursday

keen belfry
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It’s vacay bro

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Kinda last day

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Flying to Dublin tomorrow

frail veldt
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aaah

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nice

keen belfry
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Then home Saturday

frail veldt
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I need a vacation

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af

stiff vector
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Did you drop Zac’s name at the door for the outlaw discount

worldly shale
dense bolt
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privilage of living in sweden

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and other european countires

keen belfry
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I’m American

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I get like 24 days

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Using 10 rn

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Been gone since July 18

worldly shale
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i get 2 weeks

dense bolt
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l2p bozo

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change country

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xdd

worldly shale
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would

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dream

dense bolt
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company cant deny 4 weeks at a time

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its like a law here

worldly shale
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we dont have laws

frail veldt
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Rofl my gf gets 10 days off per year

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Murica

worldly shale
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im playing outlaw irl

frail veldt
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I get unlimited though yay tech company

dense bolt
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but u do have all the amendments

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W merica

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?

wintry solar
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I mean same

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I had another conversation going on in my head

frank finch
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law got two aura buffs in ptr right?

frail veldt
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Yesnt

frank finch
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8 and 3.5?

stiff vector
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+13.5 to aura

worldly shale
frank finch
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we got shorted .5

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😠

stiff vector
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What the

worldly shale
dense bolt
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still wont be played at the higher level since alot of dmg amphs in raid, might be good in m+ tho like this season but who knows

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ive heard that last boss has like 200% dmg amp

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havent really looked into it myself

stiff vector
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Too early to say, shit will change in a month or two anyway

dense bolt
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amen

stiff vector
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And def at .5 patch

worldly shale
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Hope they fix the bugs we will get on release

frank finch
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based

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delvers are up

covert kestrel
vivid vessel
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bro we are at 20% already

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of aura tuning

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wtf

covert kestrel
frank finch
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1 step forward

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1 step back

sudden fulcrum
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????

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why would they do this

frank finch
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cuz they realized ppl stocking up

stiff vector
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Outlaw gonna be at 30% aura at least by .5 patch if the season goes how it usually does, gonna need our mid season buff

glass mortar
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they r fine with u wanting to transfer stones for alts

vivid vessel
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hell nahhh

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bro just delete stones

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already

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i cba

glass mortar
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they dont want u hording 80000 stones across ur toons on live rn and not ever gathering them for ur main next season

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yea idd

frank finch
glass mortar
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i feel like the people have spoken

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nobody wants this currency

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u have enough gatekeeping to upgrades

dense bolt
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that would go hard

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or better than what it is

mighty pivot
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valorstone transfer was just because of turbo boost, why did you think that was staying?

stiff vector
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It’s seriously the most useless currency ever

glass mortar
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well its not useless

dense bolt
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guys the rwf mop classic guys just got bent for 4 hours

glass mortar
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it forces u to engage with the content u would normally not touch ever again after the first month of a new expansion

stiff vector
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Like why tf they exist when crests are the actual currency you’re gated by anyway

glass mortar
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but i get what u mean

covert kestrel
dense bolt
split grove
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In latest wowhead post it says we got 4% not 3.5% buff and it also mentions buff to fatebound but not only for assa, is that a mistake or ? catwhat

glass mortar
dense bolt
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yea

glass mortar
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it was available for 15 minutes and some guilds went in and killed 2-3 bosses already

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classic people r crazy ngl

dense bolt
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they got sent to the shadowrealm

mighty pivot
dense bolt
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we just out here mathing

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i love math

glass mortar
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its like a 8 hour ban

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basically, they got removed from the wfr for classic

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FaFo tbh

dense bolt
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yea they just out

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cant compete

mighty pivot
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deserved

keen belfry
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30 letters?

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Nah

stiff vector
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So they didn’t rly get sent to the shadowrealm

dense bolt
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8 hour ban

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in a rwf old raid

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that has been beat

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thats gg

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shadowrealm

keen belfry
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What is this language

IMG_6280.jpg
dense bolt
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basically

stiff vector
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The shadow realm is where acro strikes is o7

dense bolt
frank finch
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oh our aa attack dmg was buffed to

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they didnt forget

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this time

paper lily
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How do u find the early sims?

covert kestrel
keen belfry
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Why so many letters

dense bolt
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check outlaw tc @paper lily

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might be some there

keen belfry
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Why is our waitress hammered rn!

covert kestrel
stiff vector
dense bolt
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looking back it hurts outlaw so much

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compared to any other spec

covert kestrel
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meet us in the middle even with old acro

stiff vector
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Nah full acro back in midnight or…else

wintry solar
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Calm down Timmy Toughfingers

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It'll come back

vivid vessel
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how does assa always manage to get buffed that much

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its so confusing to me

queen pine
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^ :/

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aoe bleed dmg is just nuts

hidden lantern
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How is assass ST?

covert kestrel
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terrible

stiff vector
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assa's ST is fairly shit too in m+ build but they have funnel and gain a lot from it, plus theres a lot of bosses you can(and will) drag trash onto this season so

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or just bosses with adds

fluid moat
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i'm sad a demonology said outlaw is a d.r.a.t.e.r single button class because all damages come from a single spell (blade flury) 😢

covert kestrel
fluid moat
vivid vessel
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people are convinced assa does low st

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cause they play horrible builds

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idk why

fathom bramble
fluid moat
vivid vessel
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i have never seen this word in my life

gentle sky
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we lost 0.5 no ? we got 10% and 3.5 shoud it not be 13.5 then not 13

frank finch
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our aura went from 16 to 20 tho

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so idk

fathom bramble
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aura is 6% on live and going to 20% when the patch hits

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so 13.2% damage

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it's within thee reasonablee range for aura changees since theey tend to round kind of randomly

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I wonder what their process for making notes is

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this line has been wrong on every version of the notes released so far

image.png
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should be "Was 0.4 seconds"

mighty pivot
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they lied to rage bait even more

vivid vessel
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really

stiff vector
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not only is it wrong, but still dont understand what their logic was for increasing it in the first place..such a bizarre iteration on the ability

fathom bramble
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also zac I found a neew bug last night

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when KS consumes supercharger it deals damage as though consuming 1 fewer CP than intended

frank finch
stiff vector
fathom bramble
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potentially intended to address supercharged KS being too long ?

red zinc
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They aint intending shit lets be honest

stiff vector
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would be comical if that was actually intended

vivid vessel
fathom bramble
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it's just too strange

vivid vessel
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good thing i never sc a ks

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cause im based like that

red zinc
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ur based on a single braincell that got cloned over and over

vivid vessel
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
stiff vector
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"I know what well do, well make the ability do less damage than it should to prevent it from having too long of a channel" ....ya know instead of just idk, not buffing the channel time in the first place ICANT

fathom bramble
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it(probably) shouldn't even matter which finisher you are casting when it is just referencing a CP number

stiff vector
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thats some "oh well I scraped my knee, guess Ill fix it by cutting off my leg" kinda logic from blizz

fathom bramble
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but maybe someone coded every finisher individually instead of doing something more sane

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who knows

mighty pivot
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you'd assume it was forced induction which was bugged, but no it is -1 even with vanilla SC

fathom bramble
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yeeah

silver sluice
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Is it -1 without any deeper talents as well

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Just curious for sanity sake

fathom bramble
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I didn't check untalenting deeper

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only simply casting it at 1/2/3/4 CP

mighty pivot
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I only tested with 1cp

silver sluice
fathom bramble
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it does mean that our max KS duration is 4.5(base) seconds insteead of 5(base) though

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so there is that

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I guess

stiff vector
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prob best to avoid SCing KS though if possible , not sure if that optimization has been simmed but its pretty easy to avoid doing so w/e

mighty pivot
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dunno if I applied the condition properly but it seems to be neutral to not SC it

frail veldt
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wonder how that even happens

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and this is true even if its not over 7 cp?

fathom bramble
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yes

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it is true without forced induction and true at 1/2/3/4 CP KS

frail veldt
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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

fair oak
mighty pivot
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that's adorable

vivid vessel
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so its not optional

civic zephyr
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well, arguably it is and isnt

lime lake
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optional except you need it for hof, drops bis boots for every class, and drops shoulder tier

mighty pivot
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optional with bis boots for everyone

lime lake
frail veldt
covert kestrel
frail veldt
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^

civic zephyr
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i mean even outside of mythic, all bosses are just an option in what you do on the game

frail veldt
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I think they meant to say "skippable"

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not optional

glass mortar
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skippable is optional tho

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u guys r being silly

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options can be bad options

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i just dont really get why they even... made it this way? is there a group of people that will actively be skipping this boss?

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maybe once everyone has boots i guess

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i feel like by the time u have a full set of mythic boots for ur team u will already be skipping or extending on bosses anyway

restive obsidian
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You know , I thought they didn't care about rogues. Havoc DH didn't even get a line of text this patch

lime lake
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well they arent getting any lines because they'll get updated at the same time void dh releases

hybrid crown
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Did you know you can do the raid but just have the raid leader vendor all the loot from the bosses

restive obsidian
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I mean probably

hybrid crown
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Loot is optional always has been

lime lake
glass mortar
keen belfry
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Sup

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Anyone been to Vienna

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?

lime lake
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not the vienna you're asking about

covert heart
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At all times

glass mortar
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more like 100% of their focus is on some new dh spec entirely

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waiting for a 11.2.5 purple dh drop

covert heart
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Honestly they dont need more specs. They have a hard enough time with the ones they have now

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Unless a shareholder wants void dh then nvm since all hail share holders

glass mortar
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eh i dont think it rlly matters they rnt ever gunna have the game perfectly balanced anyway might as well do fun things

covert heart
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Hopefully they make it a support to make people mad

lime lake
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i hop

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yeah

glass mortar
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ya

lime lake
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i was gonna say

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i hope its support

glass mortar
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its 100% a void themed support dh

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i have leaks

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u no longer use glaives

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and u cant equip boots

lime lake
glass mortar
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u perma float around

covert heart
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Do they have nice feet?

glass mortar
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and whisper void nonsense at the enemy to debuff them and at ur allies to help them (but at a cost)

red zinc
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They shut down that dh spec entirely

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in interview today

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nothing coming

covert heart
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Thats just a distraction

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Its coming

glass mortar
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im sure just like with evoker there was nothing coming no 3rd spec planned

covert heart
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(Its not)

glass mortar
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until aug dropped with no warning mid season

covert heart
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And aug has been great so far kekdog

red zinc
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I mean they didnt specifically say there was nothing planned with evoker

daring yoke
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guys how important is this for kir?

as KIR you will still prioritize SS when unseen blade is guaranteed from the weakaura

covert heart
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They also really dont release new specs that often. Before aug it was legion and that was like what 10 years ago?

frail veldt
copper owl
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random question, returning after a long break - can you still pre pot 2 sec before pull or did they get rid of that?

lime lake
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i thought they would be doing some experimental thing with the boss and thats why it would be skippable

glass mortar
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they didnt get rid of it but theres no reason to do it

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pot timers arent impacted by combat/no combat anymore

lime lake
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but its just a normal council fight

glass mortar
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u can just use one every 5 minutes

covert kestrel
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what was s3 df god comp again?

glass mortar
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wasnt it aug/shadow/somemageguy

lime lake
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triple outlaw

covert kestrel
red zinc
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wait btw

glass mortar
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uhhh

red zinc
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Does that soul hunters boss drop tier

lime lake
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vdh and something

red zinc
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or nah

glass mortar
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veng and rdruid i wanna say? hpal?

lime lake
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idk who remembers healers

lime lake
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ye

glass mortar
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might have been hpal

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it wasnt shaman mw or evoker certainly

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and i dont think it was a priest

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since shadow

lime lake
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rdruid sounds right

random stirrup
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Vdh rdruid spriest aug mage

red zinc
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most valuable loot boss in the raid but “you can skip it”

random stirrup
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Rdruid was boomie most of the time though since healers weren’t needed

lime lake
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oh yeah lmao

red zinc
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That was only a few dungeons tbf

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but ye

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Atal got swept by 4 dps

random stirrup
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i mean in some like atal it was boomie for like 80% of the key xd

frail veldt
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wait was it disc

random stirrup
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i know when i think back to it i sometimes remember boomie being meta as a result

frail veldt
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leme think

covert kestrel
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no spriest for sure

covert heart
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It was restro druid

glass mortar
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no not disc

frail veldt
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it was definitely spriest

glass mortar
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ur not double stacking priests

frail veldt
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I forget what healer

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yeah rdruid might have been it

glass mortar
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rdruid or hpal but i think it was rdruid

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ye

random stirrup
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it was definitely rdruid

frail veldt
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no def not hpal

covert heart
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And some mw in there as well

glass mortar
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hpal was shadowlands wasnt it

frail veldt
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mw was popular too yeah

glass mortar
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with the big bonkers aoe

frail veldt
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I think healer was pretty rotatable

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rdruid/disc/mw were all viable

covert heart
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But druid was meta s3 and a4 of df

random stirrup
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hpal was df2

covert heart
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Disc was pretty ass last expansion

random stirrup
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gdruid/hpal/aug/spriest/mage

frail veldt
covert heart
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It couldn't heal enough for high keys

frail veldt
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it definitely could...

covert heart
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It got reworked because it couldn't

frail veldt
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it was literally in the comp I got title with

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it had no problems healing it

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DF was not about healing it was about defensives

random stirrup
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df3 did have a good amount of diversity

frail veldt
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disc was used a lot if you played with a boomy

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cuz it needed the DR

random stirrup
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we got pretty far playing vdh/rsham/boomie/havoc/mage

frail veldt
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thats a wild fucking comp haha

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I played outlaw fire aug disc vdh

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cursed

snow stratus
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Fuu!

random stirrup
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it was cursed since we were just vdh/boomie/havoc and pugging the last 2 most of the time

red zinc
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With how big margins are comparing top keys to title keys

glass mortar
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gotta put the exclamation on the other end

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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
red zinc
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You can play anythin man

frail veldt
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commands!

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haste!

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help!

glass mortar
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ban mewo 24h!

frail veldt
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ban!

covert kestrel
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!ban me

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fuck

frail veldt
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hahahaha

red zinc
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ok 😃 👍

snow stratus
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Dang. Sub titties leading the charge in dungeon slice

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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chicken players....

frail veldt
keen belfry
frail veldt
red zinc
snow stratus
frail veldt
frail veldt
glass mortar
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i def havesome scuffed talent build names ive never cleaned out

keen belfry
glass mortar
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wtf sub rogue highest dslice simming spec

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👀

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thats a bit wild to see

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i cant remember the last time it wasnt outlaw ngl

lime lake
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its joever

covert heart
red zinc
covert kestrel
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yo theres this outlaw on twitch that plays wasd movement

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fucking WILD

red zinc
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what

covert kestrel
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like two hands on keyboard

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no mouse

lime lake
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oh you mean camera turning

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with a-d?

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based

red zinc
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WE are all playing with that what do you mean?

covert kestrel
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who tf is playing like that

red zinc
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all of US

frail veldt
glass mortar
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?

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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u use a mouse front?

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i stopped using a mouse like 2 years ago

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keyboard only forever

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get with the times

covert kestrel
lime lake
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i move my camera with my brain chip

covert kestrel
lime lake
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what do i need the mouse for

red zinc
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imagine using a mouse in the big 2025

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lmfao

glass mortar
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2 hands, 1 keyboard and one gaspedal is all you need baby

frail veldt
desert tendon
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they gotta nerf that

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wtf

red zinc
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Flex that shit for an input

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ok my fault

glass mortar
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tempting me to dig up the meme with the weak aura tied in plug that someone linked in my guild earlier

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but i will not to save solo his sanity

desert tendon
#

dw

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solo aint here

hybrid crown
#

has anyone done a sim compare of like max myth random boots vs like raid finder, normal, heroic, mythic cape proc chance boots

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im guessing I will use the heroic ones for a bit vs myth track boots until I get the mythic ones

daring oxide
#

what the fuck 638 APM?

lime lake
#

thats what two hands on the keyboard will get you

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what a gamer

daring oxide
#

i see

south glen
#

is outlaw good in keys? or is it time to reroll assa

daring oxide
#

giga bis spec

lime lake
#

time to reroll sub

covert heart
#

Time to be a survival hunter its calling for you

stray star
#

aug voker looks great

lime lake
#

call yourself a survival player thats just forced to play mm

#

get to be both victim and fotm

covert heart
#

Ohhh nice or just play survival for the culture and poop on mm hunters

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Say you are 2 big brained for mm gotta throw bombs to stimulate your big mind

dapper herald
#

what's the point of killing spree slowing movement by 20%

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we couldn't have it all could we

covert heart
#

Honestly should slow us by 40% we are 2 fast

torpid fiber
dapper herald
#

you can use hook without canceling it right?

glass mortar
#

ya

torpid fiber
#

yeah which means it's a complete non-issue

glass mortar
#

just gotta be careful cause its range is melee range even tho it looks like its using ur guns so u can easily outrange it

#

it will keep casting and generating cp but wont do any damage

covert heart
#

I havent had an issue where I even had to hook yet with it

torpid fiber
#

yeah I'm gonna have to set up a weakaura for it

hearty stump
#

when you take a break for a tier and they actually do something close to your idea

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covert kestrel
covert kestrel
#

But she's a god in my eyes

torpid fiber
mighty pivot
#

muse dash enjoyer basegcat

dapper herald
#

tbh

torpid fiber
mighty pivot
#

last I played muse dash was january 2021 so I don't remember much (and things might have changed too)

torpid fiber
#

That's super fair

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I only play stupid rhythm games I.e. geometry dash and Muse Dash

It's so much fun to turn my brain off in Muse Dash and just do a fast track

mighty pivot
#

I will repeat that they should make outlaw a rhythm spec for midnight. Imagine having to time your FtH pistol shots HOLY

torpid fiber
#

I feel like outlaw already scratches the same itch as sight-reading a rhythm game

peak dock
#

Anyone knows an outlaw 11.2 guide? I know it may be up next wednesday but some kind of early access?

mighty pivot
#

your early access is the pin

covert kestrel
glass mortar
#

the top pin

peak dock
#

But i'm looking for what am i aiming to loot from next season raid

glass mortar
#

has what will likely be all the changes

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oh i dont know if we ever really have guides like that

covert kestrel
glass mortar
#

i guess for just special items

covert kestrel
#

Tier

glass mortar
#

we dont make like bis lists or anything

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u can see what gear fuus sheet has on

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its not like, sweaty bis setup or anything but its generally pretty good

torpid fiber
#

It's presumably easier to hit haste cap this season so you're probably looking for heavy vers items without mastery mostly

covert heart
#

Alot of shit has mastery which is a rip

torpid fiber
#

Yeah that's normal

wintry solar
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That mastery stacker fella kicking his feet rn

torpid fiber
#

You'd expect 50% of items to have mastery if stats were evenly distributed, but they're also not evenly distributed

covert kestrel
#

#rip

round spindle
covert kestrel
ornate heathBOT
#

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because adr Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The kir_charger KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after talents_alacrity Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The ho_charger HO build gets takem Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use raidbots Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

civic zephyr
#

melee / no raid buff / not good overall dps?

image.png
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ive triggered so many with tierlist but yoda was a rogue player at least

lime lake
#

me when pally rogue evoker and hunter all dont have raid buffs

vivid vessel
#

i think outlaw is good enough now

random stirrup
#

i believe he has stated that non damage raid buffs dont count

blazing bloom
#

is there anyone in here who coaches outlaw rogue?

frank finch
covert kestrel
gaunt phoenix
covert kestrel
#

you wipe and something comes up

lime lake
civic zephyr
torpid fiber
civic zephyr
#

like sin rogue will be rated so high and be so populated than you will have zac sitting #1 for rogues on outlaw

vivid vessel
#

sin looks crazy

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it might be a rogue season

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assa i mean

frank finch
#

dont mind playing sin in raid but m+ idk

vivid vessel
#

idk how assa manage to pull off this shit every seaosn btw

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just getting overbuffed

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every season

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till its the best rogue spec by far

frank finch
#

sin is lowkey fire mage jr

covert kestrel
#

realz just showing his preferences

torpid fiber
#

they just assume outlaw players will find a way to make it work

random stirrup
torpid fiber
#

And at this point every sub player has given up on M+

covert kestrel
torpid fiber
#

Also yeah it's really silly

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Outlaw has always been broken in +10s

covert kestrel
#

and i will take any chance i can to shit on tier lists and those that think they matter

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(nothing personal)

torpid fiber
#

They get tons of clicks so content creators have to keep making them

blazing bloom
#

!haste

ornate heathBOT
#

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because adr Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The kir_charger KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after talents_alacrity Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The ho_charger HO build gets takem Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use raidbots Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

white marten
#

Outlaw > sin next season

blazing bloom
#

do we really think so predro

pearl topaz
#

the thing is outlaw is annoying to play for a lot of people so its not like if they buffed us it causes a lot of people to bother

vapid sundial
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yap

pearl topaz
#

not annoying for us though, we love smoking crack

blazing bloom
#

I need help getting better at outlaw are there any coaches or anyone who would be willing to look at my logs and tell me why I suck so bad

latent oak
#

if u upload a log with !log someone might have a look at hit

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it

blazing bloom
#

is wow analyzer reliable? it says it hasnt been updated for outlaw lately so idk if its actually giving good advice

gaunt phoenix
#

its good for ho generally

blazing bloom
#

I just hit 3k last night, but my friends do so much more damage than me

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epsecially our arcane mage

ocean imp
glass mortar
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why do u act like theres a conflict

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gamers eat the content slop up

vivid vessel
#

Solooo

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I'm starting to enjoy pressing killing spreeeee ..

frank finch
vivid vessel
#

When it's quick it feels so good

glass mortar
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these people r trying to make a living out of video game content of course they r gunna do what everyone is doing to make their videos pop up

frank finch
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i ss that

vivid vessel
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It's like pew pew pew

gaunt phoenix
#

nice

vivid vessel
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Ban canceled

glass mortar
#

we just need a ww monk buff zac

vivid vessel
#

!!

glass mortar
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u know the one

frank bane
glass mortar
#

that halves the channel of FoF

vivid vessel
#

Yeee

glass mortar
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thats up for like 90% of ur FoF

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imagine if we had that

vivid vessel
#

Like when you are in lust bro

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That shit

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Feels insane

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That's how it should feel always

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Also bro

glass mortar
#

ye

vivid vessel
#

@gaunt phoenix

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I have sent some ks

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Without alacrity

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Let me tell you my guy

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You feel that shit

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It's crazy

gaunt phoenix
#

did you see that

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if you supercharge killing spree

vivid vessel
#

Ye lok told me

gaunt phoenix
#

it seems to be +2cp instead of +3cp

vivid vessel
#

I couldn't care less tho

gaunt phoenix
#

yee

vivid vessel
#

I don't SC ks

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Ever

gaunt phoenix
#

oh

vivid vessel
#

Ok I do sometimes

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But I almost always manage

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To not

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Cause it's so easy you always have a pistol shot

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Since you are Perma pressing SS like a psychopath to proc ubs

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You have pistol shot banked legit permanently

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So it's super easy to just delay rtb by one finisher to not SC ks idk

pearl topaz
#

am I going to be punished if I let KS go long because I light a cigarette which i then hold in my mouth like the jurassic park guy while I go "damn, I hate this hacker crap"

vivid vessel
#

Nah bro

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Nota DPS loss

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I chat in discord during ks channels

pearl topaz
#

wow they gave us an option to do either, thats great

vivid vessel
#

I was doing the tier list in between my ks channels

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But idk shits would feel insaaaane if it was just faster

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During lust it's like

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Omega bro

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I wanna press killing spree

torpid fiber
#

I assume it's probably way more troll to cancel ks during lust than outside of lust

vivid vessel
#

Idc

gaunt phoenix
#

as far as i could tell canceling ks is rather agnostic of haste levels

torpid fiber
#

Huh

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That's deeply surprising to me

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That actually makes no sense, huh

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Haste increases KS DPE but not the rest of our rotation DPE

eager rose
#

!wa

ornate heathBOT
eager rose
#

"with new tier, fatebound will open with ghostly strike from stealth instead of adrenaline rush" this here is a detail for st in raid, right?

torpid fiber
glass mortar
#

prob just how low impact stuff like this is

torpid fiber
#

Quick maths says it should be like 0.2% at min

gaunt phoenix
#

this is with over 100% haste

lime lake
gaunt phoenix
#

by then it matters a bit pepela

frank grove
#

Have you simmed with 1000001 haste??

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I have 9999999 and 45 crit is that okay

frank bane
gaunt phoenix
#

kir needs 100k haste

frail veldt
#

Doesn't it just increase dpet

frank grove
frail veldt
#

Not dpe

gaunt phoenix
#

and cancelling it is even more dpet

frail veldt
#

Canceling it increases it's dpet????

torpid fiber
frail veldt
#

That implies it has non linear damage over it's duration

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I guess it's piece wise

#

I don't see how that makes sense thoughblol

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Is there something wrong with how the "last" hit calculates?

torpid fiber
#

Huh I guess I overestimated how much of a damage change it is

#

but this is bizarre

frail veldt
#

The cancelling?

torpid fiber
#

That it's not a big change, yeah

frail veldt
#

oh yeah

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I kinda figured after all these buffs to KS that it wouldnt be that much dps gain to cancel it

torpid fiber
#

Wait I think this is scuffed, they both have the same average KS duration

white marten
#

Lmfao

gaunt phoenix
#

it's a display issue where the actual ks buff doesnt cancel itself

torpid fiber
#

Ah

gaunt phoenix
craggy barn
#

solo did u get around to simming that cursed cook i had

gaunt phoenix
#

nop

craggy barn
#

bet

frank finch
#

when do we get around to simming ho stuff

torpid fiber
#

I'm really surprised it's not a larger gain

cinder relic
#

I swear to God if I spent all this time formatting the guide to remove ho

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And ho ends up being good

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Imma go crazy

sudden fulcrum
#

No version control?

gaunt phoenix
#

nah

#

it's not

sudden fulcrum
#

In 2025?

gaunt phoenix
#

i mean it's serviceable single target

random stirrup
#

surely its not bad enough to get rid of it entirely

craggy barn
#

how do i write this cooked apl

#

hm

daring oxide
cinder relic
daring oxide
#

Easy revert later

#

Ah ok

frank finch
#

im pretty sure we can get ho to only -3 %

cinder relic
#

It'd just be annoying to redo

daring oxide
#

Yeah fair

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But I’m quite sure HO is down bad atm

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But they might do some tuning soon

#

Who knows

cinder relic
daring oxide
#

Like after hc first week

random stirrup
#

it's usually down bad tho

frail veldt
daring oxide
#

Ye

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Nah it’s like 10%

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In aoe lol

frail veldt
#

Why is that relevant lol

daring oxide
#

Cos m+

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no one does patchwerk

frail veldt
#

It's notb10% behind in m+

#

In dslice it's 5% I thought

gaunt phoenix
#

it's 6% or so

frail veldt
#

I mean

gaunt phoenix
#

in slice

frail veldt
#

I feel like you can still recommend that build to players seeking info on wowhead

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Am I cooked?

daring oxide
#

I guess

gaunt phoenix
#

at some point when a build is worse everywhere

#

what other spec does that

frail veldt
#

Yeaaah

lime lake
#

a lot of specs have alternate builds for shit hero talents

random stirrup
#

havoc historically had no mover builds even when they were like 15% behind in keys and 5% behind st

frail veldt
#

Rip hoes

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Lol

#

Oh true

cinder relic
#

R u saying ho should be featured

frail veldt
#

Yeah

glass mortar
#

did we have HO builds in the guide s1

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HO was like this behind in ST in s1 wasnt it

frail veldt
#

Personally I would still suggest it to new players

gaunt phoenix
#

ho is -4% st
-6% slice
-10% aoe

so do with that what you will

random stirrup
#

it is my opinion that wowhead build seekers should not be thrown to the wolves of kir immediately

glass mortar
#

i mean its just like the easiest version of the spec u can play

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i feel like its still relevant to new players at least

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all 10 of them that might try outlaw in a season

frail veldt
#

It plays way more clearly than KiR

gaunt phoenix
#

kir container stuff is not even relevant this tier and you can just play kir 2fth

frail veldt
#

Oh yeah how far behind is it from 2fth

gaunt phoenix
#

2fth is 3% loss in aoe/slice

cinder relic
#

Kir isn't that quirky anymore without container stuff imo

frail veldt
#

Okay so Ho is 3% behind 2fth

#

In slice

#

That's like

gaunt phoenix
#

yeh

ocean imp
#

Are we still going for a season where KiR and HO are both viable?

frail veldt
#

Very close

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They are

gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
#

5% DPS is viable

gaunt phoenix
#

is this viable

frail veldt
#

I think so lol

gaunt phoenix
#

aight

glass mortar
#

thats like where it was s1 iirc

#

i think we had HO builds in the guides in s1

frank finch
#

last minute buff to ambush just wait

frail veldt
#

Hahahaa

random stirrup
#

unless ho was like 10-15+% behind in all content I would prob say its worth having up there with a disclaimer that it's easier but not as much damage, it fills a good niche

gaunt phoenix
#

nah ho was never quite this far behind

ocean imp
#

Anything is viable until a certain point anyways

glass mortar
#

in s1? i feel like it was 5% behind at its lowest in st

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maybe im super misremembering

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id need to go search my history but im lazy and tired so i think it doesnt matter anyway

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this small a gap is still worth having in guides

gaunt phoenix
#

i will still have it in faq since i dont have to do anything

#

it's just there

lime lake
#

kir mafia trying to silence ho gamers

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i cant believe this

glass mortar
#

true

lime lake
#

turning on ourselves

rapid grail
#

Question if ill be in a physic comp i mean monk tank and other classes too buff me i should play outlaw or MM hunter for being on 1st dps?

glass mortar
#

if it wasnt in the guides in s1 it was cause zac propaganda

#

mm hunter almost undoubtably right it looks quite fotm next season

#

assuming ur just asking for pure numbers

rapid grail
#

yeap i just want numbers xD

glass mortar
#

well marks is op enough on ptr its been nerfed like 3 times in a row and outlaw is garbage enough we've gotten like 10 buffs so

#

who knows where itll end up

rapid grail
#

XD

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and they still didnt added the nerf/bufs still too see whats going on

#

since outlaw was comp situational i was wondering which one is better at the end

glass mortar
#

i mean

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phys buffs arent stronger then caster buffs

rapid grail
#

Also my other dps freinds are so toxic in gp i dont want be behind them by far too get bullying xD

glass mortar
#

outlaw getting alot from physical comp isnt like some type of advantage

#

depending on what level of keys u plan to do outlaw is rarely going to lose to not amazing players on mid range keys

rapid grail
glass mortar
#

if ur a fully geared mm hunter next season in like a 12 ur probably going to kill the pack halfway thru ur cds etc

#

so

#

theres not a good answer to ur question

frail veldt
glass mortar
#

u should play what u enjoy

#

both those things should be doing decent damage in m+ regardless

rapid grail
lime lake
daring oxide
#

What is this propaganda

#

HO is dead stop trying to rez it

rapid grail
daring oxide
#

KIR glorious victory supreme leader spec

rapid grail
glass mortar
#

i mean

#

on live if ur not topping with ur friends on outlaw... then u should probably play marks

#

if anything we are likely to be slightly weaker then live (relative to everyone else) because we are quite strong on live

#

probably the strongest we will be this expac imo

#

very favorable tuning that i think they ignored completely cause kspree means ur a psychopath if u play this spec

daring oxide
#

KIR is the best

frank finch
random stirrup
#

it seems a bit like nimble flurry has made it so decent raid tuning just makes the spec insane in keys (plus PC obv)

rapid grail
glass mortar
#

yup

random stirrup
#

but also they may have identified this based on this weeks notes

glass mortar
#

we are suuuuuper strong on live

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especially in keys

daring oxide
#

Ya

glass mortar
#

a bit less so in raid but we r fine in raid

daring oxide
#

And we’re gonna be 20% stronger next Wednesday

glass mortar
#

well

daring oxide
glass mortar
#

prior to this round of buffs solo said live simmed like the same as ptr with changes

#

so maybe a bit buffed at least

random stirrup
#

new aura buffs with season 2 set Monka

daring oxide
#

Ya but our aura buffs

#

Yes

glass mortar
#

yes

daring oxide
#

Yes

#

Big buff

glass mortar
#

i asked solo how live character simmed with the tuning changes theyve done

random stirrup
#

these m0s are not gonna know what hit them

glass mortar
#

up until the one they did the other day

daring oxide
glass mortar
#

and it was like the same

#

so minorly buffed perhaps

daring oxide
#

How can it be the same when we got like way over 10% aura

#

Maybe my maths cooked

#

But I see gain here

glass mortar
#

because some of the changes they made (like kspree changes) were a literal nerf to outlaw

rapid grail
#

In which season blade flurry was uncap?

glass mortar
#

we werent as strong on ptr as we were on live lol

#

we were like 16% worse at our weakest

#

just from changes they had done and tier set

#

then they buffed us a zillion times

daring oxide
#

That’s because of 722 Ilvl gear though no?

#

We scale like doodoo

glass mortar
#

well thats also a factor, the scaling

daring oxide
#

Half our secondary stats do nothing

glass mortar
#

im saying, if u had simmed ur character on ptr, with ur live setup

#

and s3 tier set at our current ilvl

#

u would sim like 16% lower

#

it was literally weaker then live

#

plus scaling

daring oxide
#

Aye but I mean

glass mortar
#

hence all these buffs end up not actually making us that much stronger then live

daring oxide
#

Going into 11.2 with our current s2 gear

#

We popping up ye

glass mortar
#

no

daring oxide
#

Big bam next week

glass mortar
#

because half of our big st buffs were to fatebound

#

and fatebound doesnt have its op tier set

daring oxide
glass mortar
#

its fine

#

ur not gunna be weaker

daring oxide
#

Ok done

glass mortar
#

u should be at least a little stronger

#

just not as mega as it seems

daring oxide
#

Am gonna slep

#

My brain malfunc

glass mortar
#

bedge

#

me soon

#

on my 90 grind before raid in 2 days in mop classic

lime lake
daring oxide
#

Almost 3am I should be hedge right now

#

Bedge

glass mortar
#

im not super important im just one of our 2 tanks

craggy barn
#

ok my giga cook is a -5% assuming i wrote this apl correct

#

pepw