driving to mcdonalds is complex youre saying?
#outlaw
proven ocean
no but ur trying to avoid the word complex but in the end u end up saying complex
frail veldt
if you have to drive through the Nürburgring to get to mcdonalds then yes
wintry solar
Semantics>the actual argument
proven ocean
thats what ur trying to say with nuance
frail veldt
im just telling you what the definition is
stiff vector
so zeross you know how like....combat in OSRS is kind of simple...you click, and your guy attacks but there are all these min-max's you can do with being tick perfect, swapping gear, movement etc.
proven ocean
ur going to nurburgering with nuance
covert heart
Driving is like technically one of the most complex things people do
frail veldt
driving is also rather nuanced
proven ocean
a relaxed way of saying complex or
proven ocean
so zeross you know how like....combat in OSRS is kind of simple...you click, and...
well
thats true
but
mewo is saying
nuance is complex
but
subtle
frail veldt
yes
proven ocean
idk what that means
covert kestrel
yes
frail veldt
LITERALLY
covert kestrel
that is the definition 
proven ocean
stiff vector
ok well, those subtle complexities in OSRS combat are what nuance are
frail veldt
subtle complexity
proven ocean
hidden complex?
frail veldt
hard to see complexity
frail veldt
its a type of complex
frail veldt
this is what words are zeross
covert heart
Really beating a dead horse🤣
proven ocean
strawberrycheesecake
stiff vector
the combat looks very simple at the surface level, but there are a lot of little things you can do that can make a big difference
proven ocean
all are different strawberries
covert kestrel
strawberry icecream
proven ocean
and
frail veldt
and there are more specific words that suit a situation better
that are less common
and further and further
frail veldt
its like
frail veldt
fruit vs strawberry
jolly geyser
frail veldt
strawberry is a fruit
frail veldt
but a strawberry is a more specific way of saying a specific type of fruit
frail veldt
complex vs nuanced
proven ocean
ye but
frail veldt
just how a strawberery is a more specific type of fruit
frail veldt
yes but if you say something tastes like strawberry
proven ocean
right?
covert heart
So is it complex or nuance?
frail veldt
vs if you say it tastes like fruit
one of those
is more specific
and has a better meaning
stiff vector
god bless zeross middle school english teacher(he still hasnt passed their class)
frail veldt
using more specific words is useful
proven ocean
no no no
frail veldt
how is this a discussion
proven ocean
strawberry is always a strawberry
frail veldt
you saying we shouol djust call all fruit fruit?
proven ocean
ofc u wont say strawberry is a fruit
frail veldt
complex is not grammaer
covert kestrel
things are allowed to be multiple things zeross
frail veldt
complex is a word with a definition
just how fruit is
it describes a thing
a broad thing
stiff vector
covert heart
Grammear
proven ocean
random stirrup
frail veldt
nuanced is a word with another definition
just how strawberry is
it describes a thing
a more specific thing
warped mantle
mewo loves to read his messages
frail veldt
lol
covert kestrel
somnius needs to be in the tier list
proven ocean
no matter how hard i try
frail veldt
I mean bro you asked what nuanced means
proven ocean
mewo wins here
frail veldt
somnius needs to be in the tier list
TRUE
frail veldt
no matter how hard i try
I mean non native english speaker arguing about english word definitions is a tough battle to pick
covert kestrel
TRUE
i think zac puts him in decently based takes tier or maybe makes a separate goon tier just for him
warped mantle
where is ross* from
frail veldt
i think zac puts him in decently based takes tier or maybe makes a separate goon...
hes peak gooner
warped mantle
i thought he was from us
frail veldt
hahahaha
frail veldt
all words are made up
covert kestrel
i thought he was from us
uae
cinder relic
How do we rewire peoples brains to stop caring about ST patchwork sims when raids aren't ST
frail veldt
How do we rewire peoples brains to stop caring about ST patchwork sims when raid...
kekw
covert kestrel
foreverguy tryna get us back on topic
jolly geyser
Nuanced dooming
proven ocean
i thought he was from us
oh why did i read it are you from "us" like
patent lion
How do we rewire peoples brains to stop caring about ST patchwork sims when raid...
Lobotomy, how do we do the same with ptr sims
proven ocean
a group of you
frail veldt
who does he think he is
frail veldt
Lobotomy, how do we do the same with ptr sims
LOOOOOOOOOL
the only true answer
what you have to do is use browser cookies to identify what specs people usually click on to try to figure out what their main is
and change the sims
to put their spec on top
based on the cookie info
proven ocean
@frail veldt hmm
frail veldt
community gets better overnight swear
covert kestrel
based data farming
stiff vector
thats pretty based
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-148286275467681331...
@frail veldt see
truth nuke
2025 trend
mint lily
Had someone rage quit their hunter main last night from the mm changes before the tier even started 
patent lion
based on the cookie info
Yeah like strawberry cookie or strawberry outlaw
next wedge
remove details
It’s how ff14 does it
wintry solar
outlaw for girls
covert kestrel
Yeah like strawberry cookie or strawberry outlaw
LMAOOOO
jolly geyser
Outlaw is like the jelly beans from harry potter
covert kestrel
Outlaw is like the jelly beans from harry potter
jolly geyser
Literally
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix did you check what made it in on ptr already
in the spell data
i think they forgot about half the things or
wintry solar
crazy how this is my least favorite outlaw next season but still better than my favorite combat
patent lion
i think they forgot about half the things or
covert kestrel
crazy how this is my least favorite outlaw next season but still better than my ...
no but the internet thinks combat was peak and outlaw needs to go back
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> did you check what made it in on ptr already
looks like nothing
jolly geyser
Maybe its live sometimes
wintry solar
no but the internet thinks combat was peak and outlaw needs to go back
theyre dumb
if they were in person I'd say it to their face
mighty pivot
so brave, you're such a queen popo 💅
glass mortar
🏄 🏄♀️
covert kestrel
👍
glass mortar
🙂
jolly geyser
Having played combat since like tbc on n off,its meh compared to outlul
proven ocean
Someone in assa yesterday said cb fix was live
buoyant cosmos
rip
glass mortar
i just assume when people say bring back combat 99.99% of what they want if i could read their thoughts is RtB gone
glass mortar
most of what outlaw is is just improvements on the experimental parts of combat from panda/cata
buoyant cosmos
I think they said it'd roll out over the next few days
it's supposed to be like 14 seconds now?
proven ocean
sub spec i assume it doesnt have a fked up code for sin/outlaw which i wont bother checking
buoyant cosmos
maybe they forgor
proven ocean
nah
proven ocean
they said the changes will come in few days
warped mantle
no way
proven ocean
not now
warped mantle
that's pretty good
proven ocean
95-100
proven ocean
egypt
warped mantle
idk what happened to that guy
frail veldt
rofl
proven ocean
ur far off brother
warped mantle
am i
proven ocean
exotic gale
he said he takes a break in his disc
jolly geyser
Uganda
warped mantle
close enough
frail veldt
rofl
proven ocean
if that isn't cooked
exotic gale
americans and their geography skills
warped mantle
im not american
covert kestrel
proven ocean
frail veldt
americans and their geography skills
everythings "close" when youre american
warped mantle
mfs labelling me american 💔
proven ocean
exotic gale
*egypt? where is that? next to idaho? *
warped mantle
what's an idaho
frail veldt
warped mantle
u da hoe
proven ocean
did it get better? i thought it was worse in df
nah its the same, just ppl dont know how to fix their shit
frail veldt
this is why americans think everything is close
proven ocean
i respect that not many ppl care about ping anyway
glass mortar
to be fair to americans i have driven through multiple commutes that would let me cross entire countries over in EU
covert kestrel
im not american
you have a weeb name and anime icon so im gonna guess mexican or brazilian
glass mortar
u guys got countries smaller then single states here
exotic gale
what's an idaho
its next to egypt
proven ocean
besides we dont have any real gamers here in uae
fluid meadow
imagine u live in hungary and when u tell to others most of them think u r hungry
warped mantle
besides we dont have any real gamers here in uae
cus ping
proven ocean
95-100 is very good
proven ocean
can raid in echo with that ping
warped mantle
or is it 100 natty
proven ocean
no issues
warped mantle
is it not?
frail veldt
no also around 100ms
warped mantle
i thought it'd be like 150-200
frail veldt
Aus to usa is 150-200
warped mantle
o shi
proven ocean
i can play outlaw and miss 0 gcds forever if thats what ur wondering about
frail veldt
their infrastructure isnt as good
proven ocean
its essentially 0 delay
warped mantle
100 ping feels like im lagging
frail veldt
thats what a spell queue window is for
proven ocean
its not a real thing
warped mantle
thats what a spell queue window is for
not again cuh
frail veldt
I mean
warped mantle
zeross is probs on 400
covert kestrel
i can play outlaw and miss 0 gcds forever if thats what ur wondering about
someone on reddit was bitching about ping and i used you as an example that its just them being cooked ❤️
wintry solar
theyshould disable the ability to change it
proven ocean
i checked logs many times throughout many years
im pretty sure weran was with me on this ^
since hes here
proven ocean
we checked 150 ms
and 100 ms
all the spells had 0 delay in between
and i was playing outlaw perfectly
we checked those both in DF
buoyant cosmos
besides we dont have any real gamers here in uae
didn't they try to start some big esports league/tournament in the uae?
proven ocean
very recent data, nothing really changed recently
warped mantle
did u move to uae zeross
proven ocean
didn't they try to start some big esports league/tournament in the uae?
for wow? dont think so
warped mantle
or u born there
frail veldt
didn't they try to start some big esports league/tournament in the uae?
golf tourney too iirc
frail veldt
yeah hes a prince
proven ocean
yea i am
buoyant cosmos
for wow? dont think so
idk if it was wow, it did have fps
frail veldt
he even drives a land rover
buoyant cosmos
golf tourney too iirc
paid some dude big money to be their spokesperson and poach him from the PGA
proven ocean
the wow scene is nowhere in uae
proven ocean
no one here knows how to play wow im pretty sure
proven ocean
pretty sure im the only big wow player here
frail veldt
because chess is an esport apparently
it is when you play it through chess.com
buoyant cosmos
pretty sure im the only big wow player here
king
proven ocean
not sure why tho
warped mantle
r u on kazzak too
proven ocean
alot of ppl played wow here in the past and still do but most of them are casuals
proven ocean
r u on kazzak too
i just transfer wherever the guild i join is at but ye kazzak atm
i dont really stick to 1 realm
warped mantle
why u not in a top 50 guild cuh
proven ocean
i had a shit ton of transfers and faction changes
where tf are they
oh im on ptr
nvm
proven ocean
why u not in a top 50 guild cuh
well
i was recruited by around 5 guilds in top 20 which is alot i think but
frail veldt
ive heard theres server issues if your guild is cross server
proven ocean
they all need alot of alts
frail veldt
and you lag less if youre on the guild server
proven ocean
i cba
warped mantle
they all need alot of alts
na bro
majority is max 1 split
maybe as u get closer to like top 20
wintry solar
I got 3 binds missing. I sure do wish I had br, db, and some other 3rd thing to fill it with
proven ocean
pretty sure i can join a top 20 anytime, still have a few open offers
proven ocean
but idk i just wont be able to play anyway soon
warped mantle
self harm simulator
proven ocean
i'll end up being same as any avg player soon i wont play wow constantly anymore
warped mantle
u overestimate the avg wow player
proven ocean
i wont be raiding at al
at all*
kinda done with wow i dont really have the time for it
proven ocean
nah this time its real i got a job coming up soon so
u dont know the lifestyle here its pretty different from most countries
all guilds in wow raid very late
which is practically impossible for any player to be good in wow in here
because u need a zombie ass schedule
which is literally never gonna happen again
and whenever i play wow its like
12-16 hrs a day
i cant really settle for less even if i dont raid
frail veldt
wtf
warped mantle
16 hrs a day?
frail veldt
12-16 bro?
covert heart
Thats alot of wow
warped mantle
frail veldt
my boy
covert heart
I get burnt if I play for like 6 or 7
frail veldt
bro
warped mantle
16 hrs every dya
frail veldt
thats too much dawg
proven ocean
it was fun ngl
proven ocean
nah we only played wow
frail veldt
like you have to eat
proven ocean
breaks and stuff ofc
warped mantle
there is no way
warped mantle
bro is shitting himself at his desk
proven ocean
yea ofc i took a shower and all of that
proven ocean
but we basically lived in the game
covert heart
He has a poop bucket
warped mantle
zeross has a maid
proven ocean
^
glass mortar
zeross is a maid
warped mantle
wat ur parents say
proven ocean
no job
covert kestrel
workout is important for mental health frfr
proven ocean
thats why
warped mantle
workout is important for mental health frfr
wow is workout
proven ocean
ngl tho
proven ocean
i enjoyed wow alot
frail veldt
you dont say
worldly shale
do you get paid to play wow
i work from home XD
proven ocean
definitely wont do it again tho
worldly shale
Dream stuff for wow
frail veldt
I mean I wfh too
frail veldt
but I have too much shit to do lol
proven ocean
raids are late
warped mantle
chillax
proven ocean
i sleep early
warped mantle
there must be some day raiding
proven ocean
on a normal schedule that is
warped mantle
guilds
proven ocean
idk i cba really
warped mantle
that align
worldly shale
but I have too much shit to do lol
i dont have a fixed time i work, if there is a project i finish it in a few hours and im free
so depends
worldly shale
some days im completely free with fixed pay
frail veldt
yeah sadly as of late I just have too many things to do so every day is full
proven ocean
ye
warped mantle
just quit ur job
proven ocean
thats the point
warped mantle
easy solution
warped mantle
nah quit it
proven ocean
i knew i'd quit wow years ago anyways
warped mantle
trust me good decision
worldly shale
quit job and put everything in bitcoin x100
warped mantle
then u can brute force wow in a rank 20 guild that raids 6 days a week
worldly shale
dunno which side tho
covert kestrel
i just like playing with my homies
proven ocean
quit job and put everything in bitcoin x100
i'll end with 0 in my bank
proven ocean
because i dont have anything to put my bitcoin in to begin with 
covert kestrel
r ur homies ass
oh ya
frail veldt
i just like playing with my homies
yeah thats what I do
warped mantle
i dont have that kinda mental resilience
covert kestrel
we got to resil 14s and chilled
warped mantle
for raid anyways
frail veldt
play with IRL friends for the first month or so of a sesason
warped mantle
keys is chill
covert kestrel
guild is turbo ass, took like 4 weeks to clear heroic cause we have some super casuals
warped mantle
guild is turbo ass, took like 4 weeks to clear heroic cause we have some super c...
ye hell na cuh
covert kestrel
ye hell na cuh
but im not raiding with them this tier, esp cause its Fri/Sun schedule
frail veldt
guild is turbo ass, took like 4 weeks to clear heroic cause we have some super c...
my guilds "casual" raid team just got aotc a couple weeks ago lol
warped mantle
my guilds "casual" raid team just got aotc a couple weeks ago lol
raiding since wk1?
frail veldt
yes
warped mantle
ur lying
frail veldt
im not
frail veldt
they raid once a week
warped mantle
and just killed hc gally
warped mantle
there are conditions on the DSM V for these ppl
fluid meadow
i work between 14-06 and game is legit dead in my free time, only can do my things at weekends, but i have to do irl things too and so bad just sitting for hours to do some keys in the mornings
proven ocean
ngl
playing osrs is really good for any busy person out there
u can play anytime u want
warped mantle
same for m+
proven ocean
leave and come back 1 month later
warped mantle
warped mantle
r u an iron
proven ocean
nah
frail veldt
yeah but osrs is boring
white marten
u can play anytime u want
And play on phone
proven ocean
my acc was created years ago
proven ocean
i think we didnt even have iron back then? not sure
frail veldt
idgi
proven ocean
or maybe i didnt even know about iron
proven ocean
ye i mean
i made my acc when osrs was created kinda
or atleast 1st year
i think?
white marten
Group iron is dope
proven ocean
no idk any1 rn
i wouldn't make a 2nd acc tho
cuz questing is just braindamaging
literal brainrot
out of all things that are good in osrs
runecrafting, woodcutting, mining and agility are all pure brainrot
some quests make you feel like you hammered your brain with a lollipop and all the sugar is stuck on it so you'll need 24 hrs to mentally recover from all the chaos you went through
meanwhile they keep on adding more quests that are even worse 💀
god bless wow quests for being so simple compared to this game lmao
worldly shale
i'll end with 0 in my bank
i managed to save up like 6k XD
better to just go all on red
but lower payout than bitcoin 😮
willow portal
got 4.3 in a flood 13 now, i feel like i am improving
proven ocean
good shit bear guy
alpine carbon
yo
sometimes when i between the eyes it feels like i regen all my combo points
what triggers that? if thats a thing
gaunt phoenix
Ace up your sleeve talent
Bte just has a chance to refund cps
In which you just press bte again
pew pew
silk stirrup
Guys
alpine carbon
final question how many combo points should i ramp to when in infinite between the eyes mode?
silk stirrup
is it a nerf or a buff?
gaunt phoenix
yes but it's not that specific blue point. it is simply your next finisher will be buffed by +3cp
so if you have a blue point, if you finish at 7cp, it will be treated as 10cp
it's a bit confusing visual by blizzard
gaunt phoenix
~~final question~~ how many combo points should i ramp to when in infinite betwe...
you should finish at 6+cps normally but at 5+cps in stealth
proven ocean
@warped mantle dude all these ppl using a fang on crab
a simple ass dscimitar does more dps
0 def crab
willow portal
what are you talking about?
gaunt phoenix
osrs
silk stirrup
Buff or nerf in Aoe?
cinder relic
buff
proven ocean
buff
gaunt phoenix
it's still 2-3% aoe buff
silk stirrup
noice
gaunt phoenix
huge !
did ppl complain about the buffs too
tulip quarry
Even with this buff we are like 1m behind of Lock in ST XD
proven ocean
nerf/buff/nothing = complain
glass mortar
someone complained about it
tulip quarry
Just to prove your point 😉
random stirrup
"someone"
proven ocean
Ryldd
[SOMA]
— 10:50 PM
"someone"
thats it weran
i've had enough of you weran its time for bed
wanna come
wait that sounded weird
glass mortar
tulip quarry
wait that sounded weird
Because it is
covert heart
@proven ocean first thing people did was complain about the buff
It was such doomer shit
covert heart
Like first thing was complaining about how ks was instead of just talking about the numbers
glass mortar
deep fried fr
covert heart
Oh I know but like they aren't changing it peeps need to get over it and focus on how outlaw is now
glass mortar
or we could not get over it and continue to complain until they fix it so maybe it gets improvements in 11.2.7 or whatever nonsense they have planned
proven ocean
deep fried fr
Sous-vide
glass mortar
probably wont see changes until 12.0 tho
i think we can fit in at least another 50% of a shadow priest rework
and some mage hero talent changes
before the expac ends
warped mantle
<@1124772965687509053> dude all these ppl using a fang on crab
just bot nmz
YEP
at base 70s nmz is meta
covert heart
@glass mortar sorry priest rework inc.
cinder relic
Even with this buff we are like 1m behind of Lock in ST XD
Pure ST DPS isnt the only thing that matters in the game!
proven ocean
xdd
warped mantle
GOTR bot will have u 99 in a week
proven ocean
really
warped mantle
yh
covert heart
Yea i am really not worried about st as much as how well can I do in the key overall
proven ocean
but thats bannable tho no
warped mantle
na
proven ocean
cuz like
warped mantle
they aint had bans
proven ocean
ur perma botting
covert heart
But I am a mplus player and barely care about raid
proven ocean
wait
warped mantle
its a mobile client
cinder relic
I mean Outlaw ST still seems bad, not disagreeing with that but, seems like Outlaw is gonna have an "AOE build" type shit this season where it does good aoe but st kinda mid. Which is abnormal but idk
glass mortar
my dad is jagex and im already dming him
gaunt phoenix
at some point the osrs talk is probably not on topic enough
gaunt phoenix
i forgive you
covert heart
I also dont care about Sims as much as other people do since people arent robots
Unless you play bm
cinder relic
sims obviously have their use but a lot of ppl extrapolate them outwards really far
pseudo vale
Will we replace the stupid belt pretty quick? or we stuck with that thing for a long time
covert heart
Will we replace the stupid belt pretty quick? or we stuck with that thing for a ...
I assume pretty quickly since its ass
gaunt phoenix
it should be replaced by hero track belts or similar
it's basically on par with a regular belt of the same ilvl
balmy topaz
Oh I know but like they aren't changing it peeps need to get over it and focus o...
But it's feedback...
covert heart
It is feedback but like it just goes in circles over and over again
balmy topaz
telling people to get over it when we're making it very clear what our feedback is and we have done and it has been unanimous
covert heart
Like the samething has been said 12 different ways by 100 people.
I just think its beating a dead horse
daring oxide
I mean Outlaw ST still seems bad, not disagreeing with that but, seems like Outl...
i think outlaw will get more tuning later, and also at the start of this tier (first couple weeks) we'll do quite high ST, until gear starts to kick in
balmy topaz
I don't think it's beating a dead horse as long as it's done in the right way
Having a number of people repeat the same thing is fine
Have people slander devs not so fine
cinder relic
If the devs listened to feedback odds are KS wouldhave remained the same, as a majority of players like current KS, for some reason
and at the end of the day, we are only one slice of the playerbase
glass mortar
was a majority of that feedback threads responses really dont change kspree at all
i dont believe that
mighty pivot
yeah gonna call 🧢 on that. There are people who like current KS but you are calling it a majority based on what?
gaunt phoenix
they ultimately have their vision but i dont think people should shut up and be happy, and i dont think blizz wants that either
restive obsidian
I don't know why they made it random rather than a chosen target. They tried to make it too much like strafe
white marten
Outlaw rework in 11.2.7
mighty pivot
the random target thing was definitely a strange and unneeded decision
glass mortar
originally i assumed it was to make it look cooler
now 🤷
somehow we made an aspect of this ability just worse then live kspree
miss on that part for sure
restive obsidian
rule of cool would be, main target + extra random targets
vestal notch
or make it cleave with bf
restive obsidian
IE, sword slashes in front, gun fires random around you
glass mortar
it does cleave with BF
cinder relic
was a majority of that feedback threads responses really dont change kspree at a...
Between twitter wowhead reddit, a lot of people like current ks
glass mortar
it would be a very very bad ability if it didnt have that
cinder relic
Even if anybody who plays it, hates it
glass mortar
ok but they specifically asked us to make a feedback thread and we did and alot of people gave feedback on it and i feel like we shouldnt pretend there wasnt a strong concensus towards a few design aspects
IE the duration of it, and the random targeting
they just disagree with us about that i guess
sullen wyvern
Just to confirm what I see in the pins by solo, RP refers to Ruthless Precision right? So for FB I try to only vanish when I either have crit buff or supercharger ready
glass mortar
yea RP is the RtB buff ruthless precision
warped mantle
If the devs listened to feedback odds are KS wouldhave remained the same, as a m...
wat
aintnoway
sullen wyvern
I'm guessing that maybe in high keys Fatebound will be preferred cuz of its single target?
assuming you get some other really good aoe specs into the party
cinder relic
There were ppl on my wowhead post talking about new killing Spree is removing skill expression from the spec
glass mortar
yea the same way "removing" s2m removed skill expression from legion shadow priest
mild vigil
There were ppl on my wowhead post talking about new killing Spree is removing sk...
ah yes my favorite form of skill expression, RNG death ball
glass mortar
not all skill expression deserves gametime or to be considered good even
but its not like they listened to this silent majority or large group of non-outlaws who dont want kspree changed? they did change it, so they didnt listen to them, and they also largely ignored the feedback threads biggest wants
so it seems like they just did what they wanted to with it
vapid blaze
honestly the new ks could be good
digital linden
is this a new rule that you could vanish with supercharger as well on fatebound?
or is this a simplification and only vanishing with RP is still better
gaunt phoenix
fatebound has already had the rp/sc rule
glass mortar
vanishing with supercharger has always been a rule since supercharger was added iirc
gaunt phoenix
we just didnt play fatebound
glass mortar
we just didnt play fatebound s2 and only kir used supercharger in s1
digital linden
ahh no i was thinking of using bte outside of stealth
gaunt phoenix
huge
willow portal
when i grappling hook over some groundeffect, do i get hit by that*?
glass mortar
sometimes
gaunt phoenix
yea you can
glass mortar
depends on the tick interval and how they made the ability honestly cant give u a consistent answer
willow portal
so should i just grapple away on gally over the electric stuff
i have been feint and running over them currently
glass mortar
yea i wondered if u might be asking about the lightning walls on gally
gaunt phoenix
some effects like priory consecration dont tick immediately
frank finch
buffs are in on ptr
glass mortar
u live it find with grapple but if ur at a dangerous point in the phase i wouldnt
gaunt phoenix
are they
willow portal
i will just continue to feint them
random stirrup
huge
stupid robot doesnt know that you always hit the ace gamba when you bte out of stealth
frank finch
well tooltips are updated atleast
zac just started a key with buffs up if anyone wats to watch
wintry solar
woe is me
warped mantle
no way we play fatebound in keys cuh
stiff hawk
!ho
gaunt phoenix
press glowy button
gaunt phoenix
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
haughty wigeon
<:xdxBusiness:1165361794747994152> did ppl complain about the buffs too
welcome back zeross
silk slate
Returning Outlaw player that last played Outlaw in BFA. Is there a way to force proc two buffs when RTB?
gaunt phoenix
that's what the loaded dice talent does. but we dont play this talent currently, but we will for the incoming season
gaunt phoenix
yes, we use sleight of hand currently
mighty pivot
KS and outlaw aura buff are in at least
silk slate
I have seen some top end Rogues running A Nightfall weapon at 658 ilvl. What's the deal?
wintry solar
datamine for a cooked spec
warped mantle
datamine for a cooked spec
they can't get a better weapon
bad rng
oh i replied wrong msg
gaunt phoenix
I have seen some top end Rogues running A Nightfall weapon at 658 ilvl. What's t...
it has a proc on it that resets with vanish
but it only works on trash mobs
mighty pivot
the coin buff is also in
gaunt phoenix
they said the tuning is "over the next few days"
silk slate
What are the best weapons outside of that Nightfall one?
gaunt phoenix
generic mythic / crafted, capo's molten knuckles
warped tide
how does the cudgel compare to s3 weps does any1 know?
gaunt phoenix
i didnt rigorously compare but it most certainly loses to hero track offhands
warped tide
perfect
mighty pivot
and nimble flurry is in as well, not just its tooltip. I think that's everything for outlaw
tender wedge
Yeah looking pretty good
uncut zephyr
did ptr get updated?
dense bridge
gaunt phoenix
Yeh
dense bridge
yeah its cool mm is doing next expac dmg and specs like fury are doing sl damage
covert kestrel
@glass mortar get home safe today dude, shits nutty out there
upbeat tundra
meh, fatebound key
dense bridge
i miss blade rush
exotic gale
i miss old killing spree
dense bridge
i miss old killing spr--warps into candle king candle and fucking dies
worldly shale
i miss old killing spr--*warps into candle king candle and fucking dies*
Maybe hes a sadist
dont judge
dense bridge
i will judge 
exotic gale
like bring acro back
dense bridge
you are found guilty of being stinky
dense bridge
i dont know why they got rid of all of the +yd talents
the only outliers who got tons of extra range were feral and ret
dense bridge
sv was +3yd, rogue +2yd
mighty pivot
is everyhting in solooooo
ye
exotic gale
ret is ranged, except the interrupt thats why they dont kick
warped mantle
truege
dense bridge
inland acorn
sv was +3yd, rogue +2yd
acro was 3yd
exotic gale
it was perfect qol
warped mantle
i thought id never be able to play rogue again
after they removed acro
it dont feel too bad
dense bridge
i dont think giving melee specs an extra 1 or 2 yds of range isnt going to break the bank
glass mortar
<@185854083964469249> get home safe today dude, shits nutty out there
I left early and am currently on train
inland acorn
Depends on encounters/dungeons
glass mortar
Hoping I don't get fucked
warped mantle
<@185854083964469249> get home safe today dude, shits nutty out there
wat happend
inland acorn
Like if you have mobs that actually force you out of melee for long period of time
Or bosses
covert kestrel
wat happend
nyc getting hella flash flood warnings
dense bridge
your downtime is my directive!
warped mantle
holy
dense bridge
Like if you have mobs that actually force you out of melee for long period of ti...
i dunno, if its like a pb aoe it could let you greed a bit more comfortably
not like giving you full uptime
frank grove
nyc getting hella flash flood warnings
Ya it's real bad out here
I'm glad I left earlier
inland acorn
i dunno, if its like a pb aoe it could let you greed a bit more comfortably
I think acro removal was due to it just looking goofy AF, being 8yd away from mobs hitting air
dense bridge
its not like you become a marksman hunter able to shoot from 50000ft away
inland acorn
Which also led them to designing aoe further than 8yd to force melee out
With the removal of acro, they also toned down on the aoe forcing melees out
Like in Priory with consecrations, not instantly ticking and not being too big and mobs moving rather quickly out of it
dense bridge
it was also nice having an extra bit of range on my interrupts
inland acorn
Idk, if you're not in range to interrupt, that's kinda on you
covert kestrel
Ya it's real bad out here
another rh nyc chad??
frank finch
im in brooklyn am i safe?
frank grove
another rh nyc chad??
frank grove
im in brooklyn am i safe?
Uhh for now?
chilly atlas
acro was fine when it was only outlaw
dense bridge
are there torrents of water coming down your street
covert kestrel
are there torrents of water coming down your street
kinda ya
chilly atlas
when they just put it in random other melees trees it was an issue
frank grove
There were, I'm in Queens it looks like it let up for now
covert kestrel
There were, I'm in Queens it looks like it let up for now
lfg queens
im in astoria
frank grove
Gang
prisma vessel
there so much water falling from the sky it ain't funny!
frank grove
It's supposed to be bad until tomorrow morning
dense bridge
check your local emergency channels to help you decide
sharp hinge
are we getting uncapped or no
sharp hinge
troll?
warped mantle
what do u think cuh
covert kestrel
It's supposed to be bad until tomorrow morning
i got a rotisserie chicken and a 6 pack so we chilling
sharp hinge
im praying what youre saying is true
frank grove
i got a rotisserie chicken and a 6 pack so we chilling
Ez
dense bridge
when they just put it in random other melees trees it was an issue
eh i dunno it feels like it made sense for specs like survival when the aesthetic is using weapons that have long reach
prisma vessel
i got a rotisserie chicken and a 6 pack so we chilling
cluck cluck pass 😄
frank grove
I dipped from my office after lunch I was not trying to get caught
chilly atlas
ret paladin tho?
sharp hinge
inland acorn
Idk I dont think acro removal matters that much as long as design is not attricious
chilly atlas
they made it just to use that name :x
inland acorn
And they also compensated it a little with extending BF range iirc
exotic gale
this chat moves faster than outlaw apm
exotic gale
i afk 2 min i lost the thread
covert kestrel
this chat moves faster than outlaw apm
prisma vessel
anyone play battlefield?
dense bridge
regrettably yes
inland acorn
No because there is no outlaw there
prisma vessel
https://tenor.com/view/friday-chris-tucker-hell-naw-hell-no-no-gif-3893071
same.
dense bridge
oh boy that reminds me
i started getting that feeling in my wrist i'd get when i played fury in df while levelling outlaw
inland acorn
How, leveling outlaw is not even that fast or good
dense bridge
im spamming tw dungeons, just hit 72 or so
exotic gale
hand hurts from pressing w
inland acorn
just level as sub
one shot everything with shadowstrike which also teleports you to body
exotic gale
it gets even harder than fury, but fury is more constant in button pressing than outlaw
inland acorn
dense bridge
i gotta remember to do my hand stretches every day
sharp hinge
i gotta remember to do my hand stretches every day
exotic gale
thats why god gave us 2 hands, 1 for outlaw, 1 for other stuff
inland acorn
but if you use same hand you train reflexes for both purposes
covert kestrel
thats why god gave us 2 hands, 1 for outlaw, 1 for other stuff
dense bridge
any leftys
inland acorn
exotic gale
any 2 handers ?
blissful zinc
@vivid vessel how does that look
exotic gale
reminds me of a mage friend that got flamed for only "pressing ignite"
mighty pivot
throw dynamite is the hidden outlaw buff
exotic gale
is that engi grenades?
hybrid crown
I was wondering that but the damage looks too high if s2
Idk maybe they are better in s3
And that's like a ptr screenshot, or that's some weird delve or world trinket from s2
mighty pivot
is that engi grenades?
it's the cart in dfc
hybrid crown
Ohhhh
mighty pivot
as in the cart you ride not a trinket
exotic gale
ah lol
dim widget
<@352916297262301194> how does that look
what is your question
blissful zinc
what is your question
Before i asked why my dps is low and the answer was not enough KS, so how does it look now?
blissful zinc
Im still new so this is enough for me for now
Im still getting the hang of keeping the 5 buffs and adr on
dim widget
it is very hard to gauge your performance based of off damager numbers for outlaw
usually adr uptime is way better to gauge
(you can check that in details too, very basic, no logs needed)
exotic gale
it should be in auras -> adr
blissful zinc
blissful zinc
oh damn
blissful zinc
i have to learn alot then
covert kestrel
but dont worry its a hard thing to figure out, outlaw has a bunch of micro decisions that all affect your uptime and it just takes practice
exotic gale
whats a good % for adr? does it go in the 90%s these days?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
dim widget
whats a good % for adr? does it go in the 90%s these days?
80+ is good, 90+ great
more or less
gaunt phoenix
Sigil of the cosmic hunt is the premier trinket it seems
And then there are like 7 close trinkets, can use unyielding netherprism
worldly shale
Ara kara will be used early on in the season i would think?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah it's one of the 7 goodies