i would like more energy gameplay
#outlaw
vestal notch
midnight granite
Assa is not well designed ur cooked
vestal notch
like amirdrassil tier
frail veldt
its the best designed of the 3
but its not "well" compared to most of wows classes
which have been very modernized
streamlined abilities, less fluff, intuitive rotations, etc
proven ocean
in all fairness the playstyle of sin is nice, its just badly designed and has some annoying things with it
like losing mark
if u lose mark in a high key
on a big pull cuz of a bug
thats a deplete
glass mortar
i think they should start with babysteps like maybe taking a closer look at all 3 hero talents
🙂
proven ocean
it happened many times to me to the level where i had to save vanish to avoid that from potentially happening
glass mortar
honorable mention for trickster, fatebound, and deathstalker
vestal notch
i dont think anyone would argue hero talents are well designed for rogue
glass mortar
i think maybe those could use a little tinkering
strong saffron
reject modernity play outlaw
midnight granite
it happened many times to me to the level where i had to save vanish to avoid th...
Timed out or what
frail veldt
if u lose mark in a high key
mark is a HORRIBLE system
putting that much weight into the first global of an opener
is insane
mighty pivot
I'm sure this thread will be full of 
takes
midnight granite
It's pretty much the worst thing about deathstalker
frail veldt
no way to get it back without vanish
frail veldt
I'm sure this thread will be full of <:basegcat:1107701282577334292> takes
theyre honestly not awful takes
frail veldt
frail veldt
its the entire core mechanic of deathstalker tho isnt it
exactly my point
glass mortar
i think all 3 of our hero talents r the worst ones ive played with this expac but i am only playing hunter/evoker (not seriously) and monk (seriously) at the moment so
its crazy how hard they all miss for me but w/e
i also only played deathstalker very very casually in s1 so idk what its like now but its core was just blearg to me
gaunt phoenix
"rogue only functions due to massive aura buffs every season" is maybe a little based
proven ocean
putting that much weight into the first global of an opener
Nah not only that u randomly can lose it mid combat
U wont learn how until u deplete a key or 2
I hate mark
proven ocean
U can lose darkest night buff if u use it on a dying mob too
grim spear
yep
proven ocean
If something breaks ur stealth
grim spear
horrible
proven ocean
Thats how i depleted my prior months ago
grim spear
shit
proven ocean
It was gonna be r1
I was so saf about it
D
We did get r1 eventually in priory few times anyway
red zinc
naw unc the chinese already timed it they were just keepin the runs secret
desert tendon
mage needs a rework asap
grim spear
tbh imo they should merge sub and assa, , then turn havoc into rogue's third spec, and just delete vdh
desert tendon
didnt get one for at least 2 weeks
grim spear
Done.
desert tendon
spec is done
frail veldt
tbh imo they should merge sub and assa, , then turn havoc into rogue's third spe...
ew what
havoc?
thats one of the other shitty designed specs lol
wintry solar
I dont want those freaks in my rogue discord
grim spear
bc there are too many classes. I think some of them could've just been a single spec.
like dh
willow portal
love to see it in this "full run heroic"
grim spear
Too many classes, each needing multiple specs, ends up taking up a huge chunk of design space
cinder relic
grim spear
so much that they can't come up with anything good, and it all turns into shit in the end.
grim spear
like melee agility, 3 rogues, dh, cat, monk, even hunter
There’s just no way to make that many playstyles feel unique. This isn’t a MOBA with just four abilities
daring oxide
red zinc
Yet all of them feel pretty unique to me
glass mortar
havoc has some abilities id be like "yea a rogue could have that" but havoc does not feel like a rogue
grim spear
lore-wise they’re very different
but they draw from the same design space
dual melee agility
only so many tricks you can use. dh took mobility, so it's hard for rogue to stand out the same way
nvm, deleting spec or class will never happen in this game
glass mortar
all agi people have good mobility tho
idk if its overlapping fantasy to be fast
just wait until we have voidagimelee third dh spec soon enough
i wonder how they even plan to make it stand out from other dh stuff
other then visually
frail veldt
havoc has some abilities id be like "yea a rogue could have that" but havoc does...
idk to me havoc feels further from rogue than survival or fury warrior even
upper surge
Turn outlaw into a tank spec
grim spear
no
cinder relic
There’s just no way to make that many playstyles feel unique. This isn’t a MOBA ...
But all the melee dps do feel unique?
glass mortar
me when i see veng dh
upper surge
BC evasion tank style
grim spear
rogue should have a ranged spec
glass mortar
it shoulda been usssssssss
cinder relic
How does Sin, and Havoc feel similar?
glass mortar
rogue tank went hard in SoD i had fun with that even leveling ngl
people always shit on tank balance but i have never found an mmo that had tanking as satisfying as wow
playing ff14 raiding as tank made me wanna fall asleep
dungeons were somehow worse
grim spear
How does Sin, and Havoc feel similar?
They are quite different
but I feel like those differences have drained Blizzard’s designers dry.
Just making them different is already hard enough
making them different AND equally well-designed is basically impossible now.
The burden of being “unique” is too heavy
and that’s why so much of it ends up as shit
cinder relic
based on..?
grim spear
just my view
ashen void
grim spear
would you consider evoker a success?
cinder relic
Probably yeah
grim spear
fine
cinder relic
Why wouldnt it be?
cinder relic
No, still less iirc
glass mortar
i dont remember a spec theyve ever made in my time playing wow that was hated as much as aug
and i think its doomed to remain unpopular because of all its silly stuff (cant mog, forced to deal with goofy animations u cant change)
but idk if id call it a flop
its got a fair amount of people playing it
upper surge
Dev or Aug have been top five every season since they released and still no one plays the class
cinder relic
Wait so you are telling me there is more to playing a spec than tuning
This is the first time I've heard about this
glass mortar
yea dev tuning has been pretty damn good since it was released, even the seasons it didnt exist it was mostly because aug is broken
vestal notch
tmogs play a huge part in evoker popularity
glass mortar
i wouldnt be surprised if mog has more to do with its unpopularity then its actual design
at least for dev
oh also this weird ass "midrange" thing they did and have never mentioned again nor will they ever expand on probably
restive obsidian
If evokers opened to other races, I bet it'd get more popular
glass mortar
evokers just doomed to be mostly a ranged dps except occasionaly you get fucked over by ranged dps mechanics as a ranged dps for no real reason
blue beam cant shoot 40 yards ig
ud think theyd have learned to aim by now
worldly shale
frail veldt
How does Sin, and Havoc feel similar?
they dont theyre just cooked
I think aug was a failure
tbh
glass mortar
its crazy how expensive cast time is for outlaw ngl
frail veldt
they have bounced back and forth on it so hard
slate forge
think we tune KS another 50% all our problems will be fixed
glass mortar
its comical seeing how high the DPET of new kspree is with all these buffs
and its still dps neutral or a slight gain to cancel it
frail veldt
theyre having a lot of trouble fitting aug into the game in a healthy way
glass mortar
frail veldt
pres is very cool
and I think dev is a lot of fun for new players
its really funny they called it the "advanced" spec
when its like probably one of the most approachable specs in the game
glass mortar
i mean advanced only ever meant it doesnt start at 1 but its w/e they made the meme when they chose that language
frail veldt
but that wasnta thing before
glass mortar
dev is such a barebone spec i do think its good entry level for players
upper surge
evokers just doomed to be mostly a ranged dps except occasionaly you get fucked ...
From what I hear from so many new evokers is that the range really turns them off and they change classes
glass mortar
well sure but if they remade dk for modern wow u would probably do that
slate forge
Those empowered abilities are pretty hard maybe we should get on maybe KS can be .5 1 and 1.5 per charge per combo point
glass mortar
its just about the period it was made
advanced to them just means u skip tutorial island
very important area that
covert kestrel
I tried 🥀
glass mortar
From what I hear from so many new evokers is that the range really turns them of...
its a major turnoff for me so i understand it
covert kestrel
sick
glass mortar
u get zero benifits from it, it doesnt improve ur flavor
pliant wind
rip
covert kestrel
glass mortar
and it will occasionaly, maybe only rarely if blizzard does good design, fuck you over
covert kestrel
i had to simplify my takes for the reddit crowd
vivid vessel
youre wrong
is he
slate forge
Avg wow player can’t play .8 second gcd of course you down voted
vivid vessel
cause how come my spec plays worse with hero talents than without
cinder relic
A majority of the wow player base is convinced that all of rogue is a disaster and needs a totally overhaul from scratch
mighty pivot
I tried 🥀
I saw that you got rekt there but your standalone post wasn't downvoted 
reddit things
frail veldt
outlaw is a spec that is super unapproachable, has very poor resource management/design, has convoluted rotations that arent very intuitive without thorough community support, and still relies on fucking RESTEALTH as a core mechanic to doing damage
covert kestrel
I saw that you got rekt there but your standalone post wasn't downvoted <:Shruge...
mob mentality is a crazy thing
frail veldt
they should have NEVER given us double vanish and instead given us double dance and removed subterfuge entirely
white marten
Rework outlaw back to combat rogue
frail veldt
subterfuge should be a cooldown not a mechanic based on dropping combat
glass mortar
i mean u just give us 2m cd smoke bomb that we can cast stealth abilities from and lasts 6s and blah blah
covert kestrel
outlaw is a spec that is super unapproachable, has very poor resource management...
yeah but thats why we love it
glass mortar
i agree mostly with what mewo is saying
they were being efficient with buttons when they did this redesign which i understand
mighty pivot
give outlaw Find Weakness 
frail veldt
yeah but thats why we love it
parts of that are but I dont think you need to ruin the spec to fix its issues
glass mortar
and for the serious content in the game the vanish thing doesnt matter
white marten
Assa needs subterfuge too
glass mortar
i think if ur core game function of combat can just bug out anytime ur solo playing and trying to do ur rotation tho
u should change something
white marten
give outlaw Find Weakness <:PEPW:1094468805574537286>
Weakness detected. Its the spec itself
glass mortar
some guy suggested when solo vanish spawns a temporary clone to keep combat for like 2s and even that would go hard
covert kestrel
parts of that are but I dont think you need to ruin the spec to fix its issues
i just dont know how you balance the downtime issue in a way that isnt a nothingburger or completely busted
frail veldt
yeah if you look objectively at how the spec fits into the game as a whole
its extremely problematic
frail veldt
i just dont know how you balance the downtime issue in a way that isnt a nothing...
if you drop combat just pause adr
why require stealth
...
cinder relic
because its a rogue spec 🙂
frail veldt
like theres ways around this
yeah but you can keep stealth as a button
it just shouldnt be core to your entire dps rotation like cmon
wintry solar
stealth not being an outlaw thing could help it stand out
frail veldt
we all have lived and experienced the plethora of issues with it
wintry solar
make it unique from the other specs
covert kestrel
if you drop combat just pause adr
yeah but for like tindral, were we still technically in combat for flying section
frail veldt
yeah
are you in stealth for that?
exactly
its problematic still there
you could also have it so that after 6 seconds of no combat actions you pause adr
like
covert kestrel
are you in stealth for that?
yeah but thats what im saying that for raid encounter downtime the "pause adr" doesnt fix that
frail veldt
theres ways around this but they require a rework
frail veldt
yeah but thats what im saying that for raid encounter downtime the "pause adr" d...
well its broken in its current state still
covert kestrel
well its broken in its current state still
right
mighty pivot
they can pause it on other conditions like not having generated CP for X seconds
frail veldt
so to fix it
covert kestrel
i concur
balmy topaz
Finally managed to farm my full mastery set of gear ready for main gauche 1000% buff 
frail veldt
you can have a passive thats called like "at the ready" where after X seconds of no combat actions your adr buffs pause
like
warped mantle
they should give dreadblades back
frail veldt
it needs to stop trying to stack changes on top of a broken foundation
were patching a leaky ship
mighty pivot
that's pirate life
warped mantle
outlaw rework gonna make it a 60APM spec
mighty pivot
to doom properly you have to go down to 40 APM
warped mantle
suboptimal dooming unluck
cinder relic
I'm expecting the spec to get a handful of changes in midnight that'll disappoint everybody
frail veldt
if they change it too much probably
warped mantle
or will he just quit
frail veldt
tru
warped mantle
truege
wintry solar
he already plays sub when he has to
warped mantle
ye but that's raid
cinder relic
Would be weird for a spec to get 0 substancial changes for all of TWW, followed by nothing for midnight kwim
warped mantle
i dont think he's ever played anything other than OL in m+
glass mortar
the same as usual outlaw for us
yea i think there will be some cookery in midnight at least
warped mantle
mayb they rework assa and sub only
wintry solar
Would be weird for a spec to get 0 substancial changes for all of TWW, followed ...
yeah, im not really worried about midnight. The got stuff coming. This happening for 2 expacs in a row literally never happens.
covert kestrel
range spec incoming
wintry solar
thatd make me quit outlaw
warped mantle
'bombardier' hero talent
wintry solar
tf you mean I got a blicky in the vault
warped mantle
frail veldt
I think outlaw should land somewhere between current outlaw and the bomb parts of survival
I think thatd be pretty fun
covert kestrel
lean back into pirate
frail veldt
same
wintry solar
I still think about the name supercharger
covert kestrel
i just want reddit tears from the "but muh leather dual wield fighter archetype!!!!"
wintry solar
the first time I heard that word outside the context of vehicles
grave rose
he'd just complain 24/7 in here for the entirety of midnight
so nothing would change?
glass mortar
warped mantle
so nothing would change?
yes
stiff vector
I mean, the spec needs a lot of significant issues addressed at minimum in Midnight. But I dont think the spec will ever truly be good and well designed if it stays a melee with no burst, extremely CDR reliant, thats hyper punished by any downtime(esp since 90% of m+ mechanics blizzard designs are just "melee lose uptime or die")/intermission/dmg amps etc. Modern wow simply favors good burst, but still decent sustain damage, funnel, prio etc.
warped mantle
i play outlaw i can only read 8 words cuh
wintry solar
I would like to be somewhere between infinte and no energy personally
covert kestrel
I would like to be somewhere between infinte and no energy personally
so 50
100 with vigor
warped mantle
just remove energy as a resource
cinder relic
Have you ever thought about the virtue of a spec being different
wintry solar
50 is half of infinite
frail veldt
I mean, the spec needs a lot of significant issues addressed at minimum in Midni...
youre just suggesting homogenization though
which ofc would work
grave rose
and video games are about being fun
You stop that logic now, this is how a lot of people find meaning in life lol
covert kestrel
i like blasting and not thinking about "oh no pack is gonna die!!! do i save my cds!!!"
warped mantle
i like blasting and not thinking about "oh no pack is gonna die!!! do i save my ...
yuh
frail veldt
but overly homogenizing design can be bad
covert kestrel
50 is half of infinite
confirmed
frail veldt
sub is a cdr spec in a lot of ways
warped mantle
u got it right fronteir
frail veldt
but it still functions
vapid blaze
youre just suggesting homogenization though
its so hard for them to balance a spec that is that nieche in all aspects
warped mantle
ye it's fine
cinder relic
it's not even bad in raid
warped mantle
it's rly good on live
cinder relic
Like
frail veldt
balance has nothing to do with the design of a class lol
thats just a knob blizzard turns
you can make any spec "good"
vapid blaze
idk pc isnt balanced
covert kestrel
imagine s3 df if we had the BF bug fix 
stiff vector
the spec's aoe is simply overtuned in s2
stiff vector
its not balanced, or well designed
cinder relic
..?
frail veldt
were mixing terms
vivid vessel
the spec's aoe is simply overtuned in s2
overtunned but does the same aoe as other classes ok ok
frail veldt
I think he means balanced as in "functions healthily in the meta"
vapid blaze
you just get lucky that we had no cleave fights this tier
cinder relic
So when outlaw is good, its overtuned, and poorly designed
warped mantle
u summoned zac
frail veldt
outlaws good/badness is agnostic of how well designed it is
vivid vessel
imma just play ptr
cinder relic
outlaws good/badness is agnostic of how well designed it is
truth nuke
warped mantle
imma just play ptr
send it cuh
vivid vessel
people say outlaw needs to be overtuned everytiunme
warped mantle
updates aren't live tho
vapid blaze
yeah kinda
you just need to do more damage to be equal 🙂
frank finch
are the buffs on ptr?
warped mantle
nuh uh not yet
gaunt phoenix
nop
frank finch
no point then meh
frail veldt
that doesnt mean overtuned
weve had this discussion
covert kestrel
make us the best at 8 target!
vivid vessel
and i disagree about everyhting you guys have to say to me
stiff vector
well...tuned appropriately for being a hardcapped spec with no burst. Which just means it has to be tuned to be one of the strongest specs.
covert kestrel
and i disagree about everyhting you guys have to say to me
i think you're a good man
cinder relic
well...tuned appropriately for being a hardcapped spec with no burst. Which just...
But it isnt?
frail veldt
for players at some level of gameplay(like near r1) for them to feel like outlaw is tuned well, outlaw will SEVERELY overperform in low level content
so
litearlly
for outlaw to be "balanced" it needs to be overtuned
frank finch
and i disagree about everyhting you guys have to say to me
i think your cute
frail veldt
depending on what level youre applying it at
a balanced outlaw in a +14 is a weak outlaw in a +20
a balanced outlaw in a +20 is an OP outlaw in a +14
vapid blaze
for outlaw to be "balanced" it needs to be overtuned
yeah cause you stack so many things that arent good ontop of eachother
frail veldt
its just the nature of the specs design
covert kestrel
i think your cute
you're*
frank finch
proven ocean
idk why u guys are calling guy cooked lately but honestly i agree with everything he's been saying for the past 1-2 years
based guy no cap
cinder relic
proven ocean
bfa guy was abit cooked tho, hes a giga uncook guy now
frail veldt
idk why u guys are calling guy cooked lately but honestly i agree with everythin...
youre so assa main its sickening
vivid vessel
ok buddy
wintry solar
Zeross rogue main
covert kestrel
When u understand the game, everything I say makes sense
dont break an arm jerking yourself off
proven ocean
L ragebait mewo
gaunt phoenix
multispec freakazoid
vivid vessel
I need to play wow im addicted
glass mortar
being poorly designed isnt related to being poorly tuned but it is usually why even when ur "strong" on the metrics you still feel bad in lots of situations
🤷
tuning is just a numbers game
u can make anything good or bad
proven ocean
multispec freakazoid
keen belfry
Zeross is agreeing with Guy
proven ocean
keen belfry
Further proof guy is cooked
wintry solar
well
cinder relic
U guys look at this game too much like its a fuckin spreadsheet and theres only 1 right answer
covert kestrel
Further proof guy is cooked
well guy never said he agreed with ross
cinder relic
Its a video game, and being different in ways is cool
stiff vector
No one said being different=bad lol
proven ocean
i think it'll be end of the world
wintry solar
however
cinder relic
No one said being different=bad lol
Well you say Outlaw will never be balanced, except all the times it has been?
and then its never good, it's overtuned only
Like idk
wintry solar
I said I want outlaw changes and guy was at my neck and that hurts
covert kestrel
Its a video game, and being different in ways is cool
give us a lfg for m+ up to a certain key and youre right it doesnt matter. until public perception doesnt affect your ability to play the game in a reasonable fashion thats not really an argument
proven ocean
It's strong, its good, its fine
ye it was never bad really until like
this season it was bad early on
keen belfry
Guy contradicting himself rn I love when he argues cuz he suck’s at it
warped mantle
why all the ppl perma in outlaw disc hate eachother
cinder relic
Guy contradicting himself rn I love when he argues cuz he suck’s at it
Here that attention you ordered
warped mantle
pretty good drama
proven ocean
it made outlaw rly bad
warped mantle
should be better now
stiff vector
Spec is strong because its tuned high=spec is designed well? Like what lol?\
glass mortar
why all the ppl perma in outlaw disc hate eachother
they dont we are in an abusive relationship with our spec and take it out on each other sorry
cinder relic
Is outlaw poorly desigend rn?
glass mortar
or we were in an abusive relationship with it but kspree is fixed
proven ocean
i don't think any spec is bad rn
vivid vessel
Is outlaw poorly desigend rn?
ye
glass mortar
uhhh on live? or on ptrt
vivid vessel
is it considered not
glass mortar
i bleed the 5th because kspree is an abomination of game development on live
proven ocean
design wise i think outlaw is a disaster
glass mortar
definitly awful design
proven ocean
like
stiff vector
If you think outlaw is objectively well designed in 11.2 you are fully cooked
proven ocean
wait
covert kestrel
i bleed the 5th because kspree is an abomination of game development on live
bleed
vivid vessel
i think its fun to play
white marten
Remove double vanish, give outlaw double shadow dance.
glass mortar
!!
frail veldt
Is outlaw poorly desigend rn?
very
covert kestrel
tiermaker
frail veldt
from like a holistic standpoint
proven ocean
pliant wind
wowers
frail veldt
outlaw is awfully designed
covert kestrel
wintry solar
didnt mage get their rework in DF when they were performing very well?
glass mortar
lets go
white marten
outlaw rogues cook a tier list
Stier - Frost DK, Arcane Mage, Outlaw
cinder relic
They don't rework specs when they are undertuned
keen belfry
He thinks it’s designed well and we are complainers and he’s the righteous god amongst discord citizens
cinder relic
THey rework specs pretty randomly
frail veldt
if your goal for a specs design is to make 0.1% of the population enjoy playing it then maybe outlaw is perfectly designed
proven ocean
guys
listen
im gonna make
a tier list for the class designs
and not
the power
ok
covert kestrel
THey rework specs pretty randomly
one for arcane mage, one for everyone else, one for arcane mage...
warped mantle
@proven ocean u should draw a minimap of all the people in outlaw disc who hate eachother
covert kestrel
<@1172550924519080006> u should draw a minimap of all the people in outlaw disc ...
we all love everyone
cinder relic
He thinks it’s designed well and we are complainers and he’s the righteous god a...
Heres that attention you ordered again
warped mantle
we all love everyone
99 log hoper
frail veldt
but if your goal is for a spec to be inviting and approachable with a compelling class fantasy and intuitive gameplay then outlaw is a fucking FAILURE
pliant wind
this is mine
chilly atlas
i've been waiting for the ross tier list all ptr
white marten
this is mine
Wheres outlaw rogue in Stier?
glass mortar
ok after this is done i will come back and make a tier list of ur tier lists
so get cooking guys
then we can make a tier list of the best meta comedy ways of making fun of tier lists
!
covert kestrel
Heres that attention you ordered again
cinder relic
Why would i engage with rage bait from somebody who constantly tries to snipe my comments
frail veldt
lolol
pliant wind
perfect
white marten
Why all 3 mage specs up there?
proven ocean
because 1 of them is bis every tier
glass mortar
u cant judge a specs design based on reworks when they have said they are just looking at and touching up specs as a team effort now and they are going through them in what seems like a random order
white marten
True
frail veldt
Why all 3 mage specs up there?
cuz "bis in all content"
keen belfry
Guy thinks I’m rage baiting him
fluid meadow
why ret b put it down
frank finch
if you think outlaw is well desinged you have brain dmg
glass mortar
i dont think shaman/hunter/mage getting cookked nonstop all expac has to do with their core design issues really
white marten
1 rogue spec is usually s tier every season too
glass mortar
or how flawed they are
frank grove
Should toss havoc into the rogue tier
frail veldt
being well tuned in a given season is NOT evidence of being well designed
just want to make that clear
cinder relic
Who are u arguing against
frail veldt
idk why people keep confusing this
wintry solar
spec design
white marten
Could we worse. We could be fury warriors
white marten
Bm hunter??? Na
gaunt phoenix
bdk is based
wintry solar
I love this bdk tbh
keen belfry
Our spec is almost well designed
white marten
Thats wild
cinder relic
Next raid tier
frail veldt
Next raid tier
looks accurate
wintry solar
Bm hunter??? Na
I can jork it while playing. name another spec I can do that
proven ocean
frail veldt
I can jork it while playing. name another spec I can do that
ret
proven ocean
white marten
I can jork it while playing. name another spec I can do that
Ret
proven ocean
cinder relic
Feral is generally better than balance, but balance is gonna have OP fights
frail veldt
is it?
cinder relic
Yeh
cinder relic
on st feral is better
green crown
Whats all the noise in here?
frail veldt
maybe i Just see balance more cuz its easier
cinder relic
But balance is gonna have "the balance fight" where it just wins
frank grove
Feral's last buff is pretty solid but it only does single target damage
wintry solar
Prot warrior designed well
people were upset about the spell block change but idc. I'll simply just live
frail veldt
Oh in raid sure I guess im thinking raid + m+
cinder relic
U see balance cuz nobody plays feral
wintry solar
get good ig
proven ocean
maybe i Just see balance more cuz its easier
in M+ easier always wins even if dps is abit behind
frail veldt
I never see feral in m+
frank grove
Boomie burst is probably better
cinder relic
the same way feral was better in amirdrasil but nobody played it
frail veldt
truuuu
frank grove
Feral is good in the phys comp
frail veldt
I played a little bit of my shadow priest this season
frank grove
But that's it
frail veldt
holy fuck
proven ocean
easier than bm hunter
frail veldt
I can just stand still
proven ocean
its not even close
frail veldt
90% of the time
frail veldt
its amazing
covert kestrel
vibes alone
frail veldt
ranged is so fucking easy rn
frank grove
And yeah boomie is literally braindead in keys it's actually sleeper
keen belfry
Frontier thanks for having my back bro my goat
frail veldt
yes
keen belfry
U should be green name fronteir
frank grove
It's actually two buttons
<=== u see this guy
low gazelle
Boomie is easier than BM? Wild
proven ocean
its that easy
frank grove
I'm pretty sure boomie is the easiest spec in the game
proven ocean
Boomie is easier than BM? Wild
i heard its that easy yes
like giga easy now
its not even close even
red zinc
ok 🙂 👍
proven ocean
Timmy
[meep]
— 9:35 PM
ok 🙂 👍
Zeross
[OSRS]
— 9:35 PM
Timmy
[meep]
— 9:35 PM
ok 🙂 👍
ah i copied my own copy
nvm
anyways
white marten
Boomie def the easiest
wintry solar
what a dweeb
proven ocean
ya
red zinc
hihi u dumb butt
covert kestrel
ross is back in top yap form
wintry solar
I wanna play bdk now
covert kestrel
the rest did you good
red zinc
not really
red zinc
he’s on his 2016 kobe form rn
proven ocean
red zinc
washed but he takes so many shots it looks like he still doin sumn
glass mortar
????
proven ocean
not in a bad way ok
glass mortar
wintry solar
probably
proven ocean
red zinc
covert kestrel
do you have any pets ross
glass mortar
No you just need practice and keep in mind sims r probably different from whatever gameplay u were actually doing when you did 1m
red zinc
u got put on a list after that last message
proven ocean
no but i used to have a cat years ago
red zinc
they aint letting u eat that cat
covert kestrel
no but i used to have a cat years ago
did you eat it
gaunt phoenix
@nocturne talon your sim is an average of near perfect play so you can probably improve. but it's normal to not quite meet it
nocturne talon
No you just need practice and keep in mind sims r probably different from whatev...
I noticed. Sims always had the ruthless precision buff on :(((
wintry solar
my black lab got hit by an 18 wheeler on my 18th bday right before basic training
buoyant cosmos
my black lab got hit by an 18 wheeler on my 18th bday right before basic trainin...
that's actually tragic.
glass mortar
No its just showing u the average uptime
warped mantle
@vivid vessel where stream
gaunt phoenix
I noticed. Sims always had the ruthless precision buff on :(((
they don't, it is averaging together like 40,000 pulls
wintry solar
he exploded
gaunt phoenix
each pull is different
wintry solar
ruined me ngl
buoyant cosmos
real
nocturne talon
each pull is different
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks. I was wondering what was up with the variables
covert kestrel
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks. I was wondering what was up with the variables
sims are for comparing gear and talents and such, not "hit this number or youre cooked"
proven ocean
dont u all like
shy pecan
@gaunt phoenix thanks for the pinned messages again. Is the mentioned sim pictures dungeon slice or single target? 5M ST seems wrong or did blizzard fuck up scaling for S3?
covert kestrel
whatever ross is about to say: no
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> thanks for the pinned messages again. Is the mentioned sim...
it's ST
proven ocean
love cats so much to the level where u want to eat them but u cant eat them cuz u dont want to hurt them but also u want them to be around you forever
nocturne talon
sims are for comparing gear and talents and such, not "hit this number or youre ...
Wait, it's not ??
buoyant cosmos
love cats so much to the level where u want to eat them but u cant eat them cuz ...
that's how girls like cute things
stiff vector
the house my uncle was house sitting for that I went to the other day had this big ass orange mane coon, she was a beast
daring oxide
proven ocean
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
NO WAY
dude i love watching cats fight
each cat is like
wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooow
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wintry solar
im starting to think Zeross doesnt actually like cats
proven ocean
gaunt phoenix
warped mantle
proven ocean
weaaaooow
then suddenly
wajdriolaejifnmesr;ofjoraseiwkljg nmsredftgipolubsfrkdjnmhgtarlik;jhugntrqgbhajk;ltrnbtreadlb;atjembetdakl;jnbtdlkhgabdtjn
next wedge
meow
gaunt phoenix
cats are like you and zac
they fight and then pretend nothing happened
stiff vector
imagine someone comes up to you on the street while youre holding your cat and they say "hey, I want to eat a cat, and I like watching cats fight" 
wintry solar
bro YOU made it sound bad
wintry solar
dude said O.O
proven ocean
ITS A MISUNDERSTANDING OK
covert heart
@gaunt phoenix I dont know if you answered this but with the coin buff will we switch to that without the new tier set for st? Or we still gotta wait
stiff vector
wintry solar
does chewing on your cheeks mean anything
if I google it, itll say I have hair cancer and will explode in 12 hours
warped mantle
does chewing on your cheeks mean anything
no
proven ocean
explode in 12 hrs
wintry solar
its habitual
proven ocean
its like those guys who say
warped mantle
it can also be self soothing
proven ocean
dont eat vegetables otherwise ur balls might burst out
like
wtf is even left for us to eat anyway
wintry solar
and you know what they all have in common?
frail veldt
its habitual
oral fixations are super common
wintry solar
They are ALWAYS selling something
frail veldt
a lot of mammals have oral fixations
wintry solar
oral fixations are super common
it didnt happen until I left this server the other day
proven ocean
theres literally nothing bad for u to eat
frail veldt
Ive heard it stems from breastfeeding
covert kestrel
oral fixations are super common
proven ocean
theres literally nothing bad for u to eat
unless ur like drinking alcohol or eating some uncooked food
chilly atlas
i'm on an all breast diet
wintry solar
people say a food is bad likes its got a moral compass
proven ocean
like meat isnt bad nothing is bad just dont eat mcdonalds all night 
wintry solar
one regular Dr. Pepper will melt you from the inside
jolly geyser
Im on sea food diet,I see food I eat it
stiff vector
I think salad is bad because it has fuck all calories, waste of my god damn time
frail veldt
like meat isnt bad nothing is bad just dont eat mcdonalds all night <:OMEGALUL:4...
too much high fat meat can def be bad for you
proven ocean
Im on sea food diet,I see food I eat it
good one
proven ocean
too much high fat meat can def be bad for you
well ye ofc
covert kestrel
I think salad is bad because it has fuck all calories, waste of my god damn time
volume eating is goated tho
frail veldt
almost anything in too much quantity can be bad for you
proven ocean
ya
proven ocean
ye
vivid vessel
covert kestrel
wow
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> I dont know if you answered this but with the coin buff wi...
technically yes, kir fatebound is already good st
proven ocean
ronaldo eats pizza occassionally
frail veldt
daaaaaaaamn just missed the mark
proven ocean
zeross insanely cooked?
mighty pivot
why am I only half cooked? 
frail veldt
this is so accurate
frank finch
didnt put me on the list
frail veldt
10/10
frank finch
how dare you
frail veldt
that list is insanely cooked
and the smoking gun right here
hybrid mesa
the disrespect to grandpa guy
fluid meadow
ryu the goat is not on the list
wintry solar
how am I insanely cooked?
frail veldt
Ryu is like god tier cooked
proven ocean
guys
frail veldt
cookedkage
proven ocean
just read the list upside down
wintry solar
I think Zac just doesnt like me
proven ocean
no cappi
but guys guys
ok
listen
actually dont listen i forgot what i wanna sya
say
daring oxide
decently based takes????
jolly geyser
Zac put them low cause he cant cook food
wintry solar
Mewo is literally hater incarnate
covert kestrel
decently based takes????
ill take it
proven ocean
uptisde down
frail veldt
decently based takes????
youre with me buddy
mighty pivot
how am I insanely cooked?
you were the most predictable tbh
proven ocean
me and guy are the most based guys in raveholdnotlt
frail veldt
Mewo is literally hater incarnate
im just argumentative I cant help it
wintry solar
you can but wont
random stirrup
not on the list means below guy tier
stiff vector
zeros and guy are just different flavors of cooked, but equally cooked
covert heart
@gaunt phoenix sweet ty
proven ocean
???
covert kestrel
solo can you pin zacs tier list
proven ocean
zeros and guy are just different flavors of cooked, but equally cooked
wait wait
so
which one
tastes better
or
whats a good way to say it
idk
thoughts
?
frail veldt
me and guy are the most based guys in raveholdnotlt
They could reduce outlaws range to 1 yard and guy would find a way to say how its good and were all dumb for complaining about it and were just doomers etc etc
stiff vector
proven ocean
frail veldt
like actually
cinder relic
truth nuke
proven ocean
mewo
ngl
out of al lthe cooked sentences u sent
all those years
this one is by far the truest and basedest one
you win this time mewo
willow portal
how big is cudgle compared to iron thumb in m+?
frail veldt
Guys actually an opp I swear
covert kestrel
how big is cudgle compared to iron thumb in m+?
you cant use iron thumb with cudgel when weapon swapping
light dune
"loaded dice means you roll with 0 buffs, you roll with 1-2 buffs and loaded dice is active, and you roll once immediately after KIR. there is no wacky KIR minmax it seems"
Pressing Kir is exact same right? 3 Perfect, 4+ random buffs?
Also just double checking do you wanna press the free reroll when loaded dice is active or just send it?
gaunt phoenix
thumb is not really used in keys, the proc does nothing and you cant weapon swap it
willow portal
you cant use iron thumb with cudgel when weapon swapping
i am not weapon swapping
wintry solar
im googling the cheek thing and see what google ai says
gaunt phoenix
"loaded dice means you roll with 0 buffs, you roll with 1-2 buffs and loaded dic...
kir at 4 buffs, and send it
or 3 perfect is fine
near rock
ya'll too young to remember when guy used to doompost all the time
willow portal
i am just thinking if i want to go mug + cudgle or mug + iron thumb without swapping
near rock
he's just matured up, has reasonable takes now
wintry solar
says I need therapy
languid coral
is the changes live yet on ptr
frail veldt
this one is by far the truest and basedest one
thank you buddy
gaunt phoenix
you can swap weapons for 5 more days
teal garnet
Is there anyway to isolate the reload noise / wa to make it when you get the CP proc on BTE? I personally hate hearing all of the noises from slashing etc and play with sound off but from what I've heard hearing the noise actually comes in before the ui updates your CPs so might help make decisions faster
gaunt phoenix
oondasta
frail veldt
oondasta <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
LOL
I wasnt gona say anything
I saw that too
covert heart
you can swap weapons for 5 more days
I must have missed something are they taking that out?
frail veldt
fucking cracked me up
teal garnet
Dino isle time
frail veldt
OONDASTA
jolly geyser
Trex in rh
light dune
if you get the 5 buff roll is it technically better to do the wait to 42 seconds thing for kir even though thats now more rare without season 2 tierset
gaunt phoenix
I must have missed something are they taking that out?
no it will just lose to 695 weapons or smth
covert heart
no it will just lose to 695 weapons or smth
Oh okay okay haha
his anme isnt that
covert heart
I am going to use crudgel into 12.1 believe
gaunt phoenix
if you get the 5 buff roll is it technically better to do the wait to 42 seconds...
you would still roll immediately, the old rule existed cause you could get 5 buffs twice in a row, which is basically impossible now
warped mantle
he's just matured up, has reasonable takes now
is that because he doesn't play outlaw anymore
gaunt phoenix
2%
proven ocean
hml5 — 9:58 PM
dude ….
why is sin so easy in keys
warped mantle
Zeross
[OSRS]
— 6:59 PM
hml5 — 9:58 PM
dude ….
why is sin so easy in keys
stiff vector
you mean so boring?
quaint mauve
is this the new gag for now?
wintry solar
new?
proven ocean
old?
wintry solar
bro pay attention
quaint mauve
you mean so boring?
that too
covert kestrel
thats ross's coup de grace
proven ocean
bro dont pay attention
gaunt phoenix
i think sin in keys is fairly nuanced
proven ocean
idk what nuanced means im not an english teacher but sin is abit hard to play well
but ye solo is right
warped mantle
or can u just afk on main targ
covert heart
The aoe is tricky isnt it but the st is whatever?
warped mantle
stop ragebaiting
proven ocean
@,ewp
frail veldt
idk what nuanced means im not an english teacher but sin is abit hard to play we...
nuanced means like has subtle things to do it properly, like similar to requiring "finesse"
proven ocean
@frail veldt
gaunt phoenix
Like subtly complex
frail veldt
nuanced means complex
it means subtly complex
gaunt phoenix
nice
frail veldt
ayo
jolly geyser
Little things done well?
wintry solar
Little things done well?
that sounds familiar
covert heart
Reading is hard 
frail veldt
Reading is hard <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
typing is hars
covert kestrel
hars
proven ocean
hars
covert heart
Hars
frail veldt
complex in subtle ways
frail veldt
so the complexity is not necessarily apparent
like it might seem easy on the surface
proven ocean
what
frail veldt
so the complexity is hidden or hard to identify
frail veldt
im not thats just literally what it means
proven ocean
but ur saying
stiff vector
you gotta put it into terms that zeroos can understand
proven ocean
no but
we have to take the road
and turn on the car
and then reach mcdonalds
but
u can just say complex
or
lets reach mcdonalds
cinder relic
When I'm in a semantics competition and my opponent is any random user in this channel
frail veldt
umm