outlaw

[vivid vessel]

And it's not really good

You just die from things you don't know are happening

[willow portal]

just stack more vers

[vivid vessel]

I understand wanting to reduce the number of casts to prevent plates overload

But then you have no counterplay

You don't see what is happening

You can't stop when there is double casts etc

You just die

[balmy topaz]

wish we could evasion it

[vivid vessel]

Also doesn't it just fucks melee now

Since it bounce

And you can't spread

Cause you don't know

Xd?

[fallen knot]

i cant find information on other classes' discords am i dumb or did i get too used to having everything like in this discord

[hasty warren]

other class discord are shit

compared to this one

[fallen knot]

like a kind of a pretty big deal is where to put my second embellishment on hunter since it wants 2x crit

no info to be seen anywhere

[torpid fiber]

wait that's so cringe actually

[hasty warren]

on Rsham and drood heal discord u have no faq or pin message, only links to wowhead and icy veins guides that are not up to date

[balmy topaz]

Ohh ye lol

forget about that

[torpid fiber]

it's fine ret paladin players will complain

[fallen knot]

circled items are my embellishewd items, next season has boots that interact with cloak, cloak and you'll still have the belt, i'm already crafting 2x rings this week, where do i put my 2nd embellishment? i dont know and tbh i'm scared to ask in hunter discord

[hasty warren]

what is this spell ?

[willow portal]

cant embelish on ring?

[hasty warren]

next season thee's legendary cape so u wont have a craft piece there

[fallen knot]

ye i know

no the crit one you cant

you can only put the damage proc one

[vivid vessel]

low stats items like boots

[fallen knot]

will i craft a 2hander in s3? probably, so it might aswell have ascension, but that means my wrists need the ascension buffer

boots interact with cloak zac

[hasty warren]

maybe change embelish ?

idk if u can

[vivid vessel]

you wont have them directly tbf

[fallen knot]

i know

but why waste my time doing 12s now

i still need crests on my priest and i have today and tomorrow

and 90 on this one for rings

with no info anywhere i'd rather not

[hasty warren]

I don't think we'll keep belt

[vivid vessel]

We will for a bit

Just because it's free crests not being spent

[fallen knot]

still a 701

ye

[hasty warren]

y but once we'll get myth gear it will drop

[fallen knot]

this is for s2

s3 has zero info

might aswell ask in that discord and see if i get an answer

[hasty warren]

maybe on the off set piece

[vivid vessel]

Maybe but that's far

[fallen knot]

but that is pretty bad isnt it

high primary stat and all

[hasty warren]

honestly it's better to wait a little

not crafting useless piece

[fallen knot]

ye

but

i mean i'd like to know

if i need 90 more crests to maybe craft something in the future

also, on my priest, when i finish channeling void torrent, mind blast becomes void blast, if i have a proc of void blast instant and spam it, the first one will go, the second one will lag out like crazy, and i cant understand why (it's almost as if i lose 2 gcds instead of waiting for the normal one)

no info to be found anywhere

[hasty warren]

i don't play sp can't help for this sry

[fallen knot]

it appears it's a visual bug

still waiting on my hunter question on hunter discord

[quiet ore]

And 3t and 5t results are in, finally filling out https://outlawmallet.com/ptr/

[lofty sand]

so st=fatebound anything else trickster?

[balmy topaz]

More than one target = trickster

As soon as a 2nd target gets introduced fatebound loses a lot of dmg

[lofty sand]

yeah i see

[vivid vessel]

no pc cuh

[balmy topaz]

We are so cooked

[normal forge]

not running sleight of hand anymore?

[balmy topaz]

We only did cus of tier set

[normal forge]

i dont like deft maneuvers, so i will be running this

[balmy topaz]

SURELY THEY FIX OUTLAW ST

[mighty pivot]

looks perfectly fine to me

[vivid vessel]

you dont like deft?

[balmy topaz]

Well you gonna be cooked

[weak moss]

guys i see alot of outlaws weaponswapping in m+ and i use this macro

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Gallywix's Iron Thumb

but it says in m+ it wont work

[vivid vessel]

cant swap gally weap

also gally wep is bad in m+ anyway

[weak moss]

kk ty yeah its the only thing i have 😄

[normal forge]

i think deft adds a very quick cd to watch for, bf resets too quickly, so i feel that when i notices the cd was there sitting waiting for a long time

[balmy topaz]

It's a sub season gg

[formal crest]

What is CS here?

[grim spear]

crackshot?

[keen belfry]

Is 1fth that bad without current tier set that we drop pc for 2fth in m+

[pliant wind]

You fan the hammer but not too much

F

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix viserio made a gearing loot guide and i was skimming trough it just for fun, and some parts makes me sad. I didnt even knew most specs gain more damage from jewels than main stats slots

[vivid vessel]

no

these sims arent using pc he forgot

[keen belfry]

Ok those results actually baffled me

Like no way fth beats out pc in 5 target, surely

[pliant wind]

cutsssssssss are preciseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

whats happening with warr?

[grim spear]

I did bind FTH to this key… ffff

[pliant wind]

[vivid vessel]

what

You mean what's happening with these other 2 guys rather

He is at 15mil DPS that's not even high lol

[balmy topaz]

The pull only just started as well

[vivid vessel]

War is kinda shit

[balmy topaz]

And dungeon already over

[pliant wind]

yep

:')

[balmy topaz]

Your phys comp

real suffering

[vivid vessel]

Ye we didn't get a glow up let's say

[balmy topaz]

It's okay cus

Outlaw buffs are coming tonight

[blissful zinc]

😶‍🌫️

[vivid vessel]

40% st buff - 40% bf nerf

[pliant wind]

10% more BTE dmg, -5% bf dmg

done

[mighty pivot]

GS amp to 30%

[wintry solar]

Gsw 400%

[craggy kelp]

Am I cooked or is this ui fried

[pliant wind]

Doggy ui

[wintry solar]

Woof woof

[desert tendon]

That s biz

[fathom holly]

his eyesight is bad thats why everything is so huge

[desert tendon]

Gréât war pov

[red zinc]

400% st buff - BF Removal

[desert tendon]

Does he still plau with the spinning wa during bs?

[balmy topaz]

Nearly lost to a rando hunter

[haughty wigeon]

Gulie returns after combats success in classic

Rtb removed

[balmy topaz]

Last boss floodgate

[desert tendon]

I d like a 60% St nerf BF back to 4 targets but bring back acro tyvm

[desert tendon]

Bahahahahgaga loser go back to aug

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

[balmy topaz]

It's actually so depressing

[red zinc]

Wtf was happening on those aoe packs that you can stay top with that st

[desert tendon]

I mean ruby

Did you play it good or is outlo just ded

[balmy topaz]

Oh ye he died

for like ages on 2nd boss

[willow portal]

1,5 week progress looking pretty good

[mighty pivot]

leech enjoyer

[blissful zinc]

Should i craft 2nd ring instead of cyrcle circlet

[vivid vessel]

No but I'm sandbagging

[vivid vessel]

People are bad at the game

It's actually wild how

No one is good at doing damage in wow

Even till a very high level

[balmy topaz]

Thats me bro

[vivid vessel]

In keys at least

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know

[fathom holly]

bro you are just built different

[vivid vessel]

Like I was pugging 19s with people doing half my damage already back when I was still in lfg

[fathom holly]

might be related to your weird ass playlist

[vivid vessel]

Shits crazy

[vivid vessel]

Hey

I will accept anything

But you do not judge my music !

[fathom holly]

you have tons of variety in it like you are listening to mozart and the next song is some weird egirl tiktok song

[vestal notch]

zacs playlist is something like banger, banger, french song that is actualy a banger, wtf?, wtf??, zac????, banger

[fathom holly]

shits wild

[vestal notch]

and repeat

[vivid vessel]

Are the wtf?? Bad or

[vivid vessel]

My brother tells me I listen to a lot of tik tok songs

I do not have Tik tok

I'm unaware

Im just a victim I think

[fathom holly]

zac are you full native french?

[vivid vessel]

Or maybe Tik tok songs get popular cause they are good and there is nothing wrong with it

[vestal notch]

Sometimes bad, sometimes weird

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[pliant wind]

sometimes i need to mute your stream zac, no offense

but its ok

[vivid vessel]

Or well idk maybe if you go up a few generations you could find someone not french

Who knows

[vivid vessel]

Im offended

[pliant wind]

hahaha

[fathom holly]

i sometimes just have your stream in the background to satisfy my bte sound addictiom

[vivid vessel]

Bro

Outlaw sounds are so good

And the sound I added for pistol shot procs

[fathom holly]

yep

[vivid vessel]

I'm addicted to it

It's so good

[pliant wind]

i have a shotgun sound in my ace bte

[vivid vessel]

I'm trying to make killing spree better rn

With sounds

[pliant wind]

oh that would be cool

[fathom holly]

man even sinister strike sounds so good

[vivid vessel]

It does ticking sounds of a guy reloading every tick rn

And at the end you get a finished reloading sound

It's shotgun sounds

Works well

[pliant wind]

even if u cancel it 1s earlier?

:o

[balmy topaz]

Zac!

[vivid vessel]

When full cp it does the sojnd

[pliant wind]

ahh nice

[vivid vessel]

It'd more so you can react to it

[vivid vessel]

Ye

And the tick sound is so you can get the rythm

[balmy topaz]

PTR VAULT

[vivid vessel]

So you can react on timer with it

[vivid vessel]

Bro

I opened 4 ptr vaults already

[balmy topaz]

Bro why they nerf that trinket

[vivid vessel]

I'm litteraly fullk bis

I got that trinket aswell

From vault

I have the haste vers hands

Haste vers chest

Haste vers shoulder

And something else I forgot

[balmy topaz]

But ye surely we get buff right

10% flat

Don't touch BF

[vivid vessel]

Idk xd

[balmy topaz]

This shit

is dumb

i cba

Losing to random hunters

[vivid vessel]

I'm still worried outlaw low target cleave in raid is too much cause of pc

I hate pc

Source of all our issues

[balmy topaz]

tru

[vivid vessel]

They nerfed bf cause pc

[willow portal]

bro i play rogue for 1.5 weeks

[vivid vessel]

I can guarantee you that

[willow portal]

you shouldnt ask me

[fathom holly]

i dont want to make enemies here but outlaw is fine damage wise currently no?

[pliant wind]

you know something is sad when 1 skill hunter survival animation has the same animation as BTE

[fathom holly]

we just need acrobatic strikes back🫤

[vivid vessel]

Ye on live

[blissful zinc]

@vivid vessel whats ur opinion

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[fathom holly]

i have seen you destroy on ptr

[vivid vessel]

Circlet not insane for outkaw

[desert tendon]

Great opinion

[blissful zinc]

Okay ty

[desert tendon]

Dude said yes

[pliant wind]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

I'm not doing live damage, and I mostly play against randoms, and then I still do tank st so

Idk

S2 outlaw is way stronger

[pliant wind]

outlaw ST was overall good

tbh

in s2

[vivid vessel]

And I think that's how outlaw should be tuned considered it has 0 utility, no burst, target capped, require a full bozo comp around you

[fathom holly]

but also ping is over 100 on ptr no?

[vivid vessel]

Ye doesn't matter

[desert tendon]

Doesnt matter

[pliant wind]

if blizz doesnt touch outlaw st dmg, they are bonkers

[desert tendon]

If u good u good

As i said

Assa buff sub nerfs outlaw untouch

[fathom holly]

personally only thing i want back is saber slash instead of sinister strike

[desert tendon]

Like the 28 last prepatch

[real valley]

guys if st is bad it gets buffed

when raid logs come out

[desert tendon]

Nah

[pliant wind]

[desert tendon]

You ll get nerf after hc logs

As always

Outlo too strong in hc

[fathom holly]

maybe some trinket will be fucked up again for outlaw to balance it

[pliant wind]

they will see useless aoe dmg and nerf our st to balance Pog

[balmy topaz]

Wait @vivid vessel

They removed the boots buff

[desert tendon]

I wish they d remove ruby instead

[balmy topaz]

I did 2% of my overall

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

huh

[balmy topaz]

They removed the proc boots

[vivid vessel]

?

no they didnt

lol

its the only loot from 5th boss

[balmy topaz]

Bro they literally did

[vivid vessel]

no

[balmy topaz]

It says in dungeon thing ye

[pliant wind]

wtf

[red zinc]

[pliant wind]

[vivid vessel]

bug noob idk

[desert tendon]

Yea ruby buf

Bug

[red zinc]

not a bug just a skill issue

[desert tendon]

Real

[shy flume]

yo i remember there was a wa for rerolling logic but its not working correctly i think normally if i have solo GM wa should tell me to reroll but it does not. Anyone got updated one couldnt find on wago

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[shy flume]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[pliant wind]

I tried a 15 at ptr, tank dmg is real on st

fk i dont want to hate myself for playing outlaw

u________u

maybe i had a really bad luck timing

[covert kestrel]

Just use the RtB buff tracker and learn the rules, it'll be worth it in the end to not rely on someone else keeping up with the logic

[gaunt phoenix]

Next tier the rules are easier fwiw

Roll with 0 buffs

Roll with 1-2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active

Roll once immediately after KIR

That's it really

[covert kestrel]

I was watching zac on PTR and my muscle memory was saying "why isn't he rolling?!?!?" but realized he just didn't have LD active

[wintry solar]

A global not spent on rtb is a global wasted

[shy flume]

another question on weapon swap

if ive same weapon on main and and offhand the macro gets confused and cycles between weapons + nightfall

is there anyfix for it ?

that causes cannot swap while in combat but if its different weapon i swap while in combat

[mighty pivot]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[mighty pivot]

use the second variant

but make sure that bag isn't getting sorted because it will always swap using the same bag slot

[shy flume]

ohh true

if its in bag 1

and equip 1

i just do like #showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag 1> <bag slot 1>

or ?

says this

[gaunt phoenix]

It's just /equipslot 17 1 1

[balmy topaz]

wtf is this route

[shy flume]

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <1> <1>

like this ? @gaunt phoenix

didnt work

[desert tendon]

i did that lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

Remove the < >

[shy flume]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 1 1

TY

[hasty warren]

cursed

[pliant wind]

over complex do it interesting

[shy flume]

this does not work for me

...........

does cruel need to be in same bag?

[gentle vector]

What weapons are you swapping

[mighty pivot]

are you using the correct bag and bag slot ids?

[shy flume]

yes bag 1 slot 1

[mighty pivot]

show your bag

[shy flume]

in that case #showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 1 1

right?

my main hand is

[Crowd Favorite] with avoidance

offhand on st i wanna use [Crowd Favorite]

i wanna swap with

[mighty pivot]

show a screen of your bags with cudgel/your OH crowd favorite

[fading vine]

Does anyone know when the season starts the id on m0 will reset daily?

[mighty pivot]

it should be weekly for m0

[fading vine]

Oke

[shy flume]

im already equiped cudgel on oh

and main hand crowd with avo

2nd crowd is in bag slot

now it worked

ok

apperently 1-1 is not working

i moved to bag 3 and start working

bag 1 is not working somehow i dunno

[mighty pivot]

1-1 would be your backpack top left slot

or maybe backpack is 0 - 1, not sure if bags are 0 indexed

yeah backpack is 0, so 0-1 is top left of your backpack 0-16 would be the 16th slot of your backpack etc

[ocean imp]

Guys, how is outlaw's damage profile at the moment

Last time I checked, it was pretty bad, being hard capped at 8, and being constant damage where death meant you'd deal very low damage until you get AR back

[dim widget]

Still flat profile

And still cap

And adr loss = bad

[ocean imp]

At least it gained underhanded upperhand so uptime wasn't so problematic

[dim widget]

Ye 90% avg uptime is achievable at good play without forced downtime

[ocean imp]

How about prio damage

[dim widget]

A bit of prio, no real funnel though

You always hit you main target for full ST damage

And cleave the rest

If you need more talent into GS (KIR builds do for keys and raid)

[ocean imp]

So like, middle of the pack compared to other classes?

Not pure padding but not great either?

[dim widget]

Yes, better than hunters, worse than arcane/sin

Well, we can pad quite hard if we want

But we don't lose single target by padding

That is main gain ig

And extra targets give us tiny more energy which can be nice

[gaunt phoenix]

well, you do

Precise cuts is "padding"

but you have to remove ST to take it

but precise cuts is too strong to ignore

[ocean imp]

I guess one thing Outlaw is good at is target switching too

[gaunt phoenix]

It's a bit awkward next tier as you cant maintain fazed on everything

[balmy topaz]

Our prio is also just awful compared to previous tiers

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe awful is a stretch

[ocean imp]

Has there ever been a season where Outlaw isn't clunky in a way since like SL

[balmy topaz]

Compared to what we used to have tho

[gaunt phoenix]

idk, every spec has some quirk

but it can mostly offset if you do big dam

[ocean imp]

Yeah

[dim widget]

Oh, ye talentweise, I was more talking about how we play, as in we don't chose to press aoe buttons instead of st buttons like other classes have to/can do

[gaunt phoenix]

ye sure

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix have you seen yet what the rules with be with new KS when it comes to CD left to not go into subt window

[ocean imp]

This season I might play with 3 other people, we got a VDH, an rsham and a hunter (not sure about the spec), so I was thinking of either playing Arcane (Fun spec + fits) or Outlaw (Very fun spec + won't have trouble getting into keys as a shunned spec)

[gaunt phoenix]

seems like the normal 20-30s is fine

[balmy topaz]

Oh cool okay

Wasn’t sure if it would creep to 40secs or not

[ocean imp]

Anyone here who has tried the new KS btw? How does it feel

[gaunt phoenix]

Everyone has

was common feedback that it's too long

but you wont die to it so

[ocean imp]

Yeah I didn't try it yet, but while the concept seemed cool, having a channeled spec as outlaw seemed weird

[gaunt phoenix]

seems to be a small optimization to cancel it at 7cp instead of letting it finish

[vivid vessel]

Other specs gain st by padding tho

So

[ocean imp]

Doh, I hate those "canceling the spell is optimal sometimes" shenanigans

[vivid vessel]

It plays better

[balmy topaz]

It doesn’t feel bad to cancel at all

It feels nice to do it

[vivid vessel]

It's weird keeping it to fully channel when you are already at full cp

Considering it builds cp

[ocean imp]

I guess I'll have to try it myself and see

[gaunt phoenix]

just funny it will end up being quirky

[gaunt phoenix]

us

[daring oxide]

That’s outlaw rogue

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/squish-squish-that-cat-cat-love-cat-gif-18338571099751758439

[daring oxide]

Under all the 6mil+ simming classes

[balmy topaz]

15% aura buff plz

[mighty pivot]

This is me chilling until tomorrow's changes

[covert kestrel]

"Won't have trouble getting into keys as a shunner spec" is a wild thing to say esp compared to arcane lmao

[near rock]

@daring oxide this monkeysaap guy has robbed me of my dream

unlucky..

[ocean imp]

Elaborate

[daring oxide]

what a thief!

If I can do sprocket one more time where I'm not playing trickster (didn't use Killing Spree), I might be able to get another 25 points 😄

but i have to try and pug it

just need another sprocket kill as fatebound for 11.1.7

[near rock]

oh sheesh wtf yeah you could spring yourself to r1 instantly with a solid sprocket

[daring oxide]

guild is on a break for a couple weeks now

so haven't had a chance to rekill sprocket

i did meme kill it once in 11.1.7 so far as non KS trickster

[near rock]

literally your other parses this partition are insaneeeeee

[daring oxide]

but i dont think pugs do sprocket lol

[near rock]

you gotta do it for the vine vai

get in there

[daring oxide]

How do I get a mythic sprocket kill

via pug

[gaunt phoenix]

at least in this current season, arcane is very much more likely to be invited than outlaw, despite this being one of the better outlaw seasons

[daring oxide]

I'll try today

[near rock]

I'll cheer you on

[daring oxide]

@near rock are you reclearing again this week
?

might be the last chance to lock in some new highs? and reclaim the throne

[near rock]

nah we're done

I'm happy with the 100 on every boss

would have been nice to finish the tier rank 1 as well but it is what it is

it'll make a good goal for next tier

[balmy topaz]

Naa I'm getting Rank 1

[ocean imp]

Yeah that's what I'm saying haha (I meant shunned in my initial message)

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess it reads like you thought "won't have trouble getting into keys" is a reason to be outlaw

But outlaw does have trouble getting into keys

[willow portal]

weird, we have the ability picklock so that shouldnt be hard for us

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[willow portal]

rogues should just be able to lockpick into groups

[covert kestrel]

Yeah what solo said

[ocean imp]

Nah dw I did indeed mean that Outlaw is viewed as a shit spec in pugs

[dim widget]

its usually an exception though, isnt it?

[warped mantle]

ye ur logs are pretty cuh

[near rock]

thx cuh

[warped mantle]

is there anyone else

with all r1s

not this partition

but general

idk if there is

i think zac is missing one

[near rock]

yeah he's missin vexie

[warped mantle]

ye anlacky

isn't even ad issue

he losing on boss dam 2

[near rock]

has a lot to do with kill timing

[warped mantle]

3:29

aint bad

[near rock]

if vexie dies like right after burn phase

[warped mantle]

ur kill time is same p much

not on r1 tho obv

7:19 first vexie goes hard

giga for ol

[gaunt phoenix]

boots back to 50%

joever

[mighty pivot]

expected tbh, no?

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

it's also different for normal/heroic/mythic now

idk if that was already a thing

mythic is 50%

[mighty pivot]

you know the fact that it was +150% makes me think they thought 150% would x1,5 it instead of x2,5

[balmy topaz]

What’s the normal and hc

[shrewd nymph]

Hey guys, I’m really new to this spec. Just a few minutes ago, I ran my first Theater of Pain +12 with a 3.7k RIO tank. During the run, they told me that for every boss with adds, I should stop dealing damage to the adds and just stay focused on the boss.

Now I’m wondering — is that actually correct? Should I really not switch targets at all and just tunnel the boss?

[gaunt phoenix]

err

well you tend to be able to cleave both the boss and adds

outlaw is generally good at target swapping

but you try to cleave everything you can

in this specific dungeon that wording doesn't make total sense

but i think he is just being cautious of pugs not killing adds

[vivid vessel]

Back in the days ye, not really anymore tho, outlaw stayed the same and basically every spec in the game gained funnel

[shrewd nymph]

I appreciate your answer, ty 😊

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess it is at certain item levels

there's a 20%, 30%, 40% and 50%

[mighty pivot]

40% should still be better than any other pair of boots, maybe 30% even?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's really weird to tell outlaw to ignore adds

how strange

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure after ilvl differences

[near rock]

what boots

[balmy topaz]

Are they working as intended now

As in not 150% do we know

[near rock]

oh ty ty

[gaunt phoenix]

it was bugged to be 150%

they should have left it

[mighty pivot]

optional boss

[zealous plinth]

Boots back on ptr?

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw nerf ..

[gaunt phoenix]

[willow portal]

so we have to farm those right?

[zealous plinth]

Cantrip was gone Like 1 Hour ago for me

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[willow portal]

but isnt that just hard bis for all classes

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

the proc does nothing on real specs

[covert heart]

Its prob just more usual for outlaw since we can proc it more right?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw baseline have at the very least the proc doing 20% mnore damage from bte crit, and say we have 20 to 30% more vers than others

so

proc legit does 40% or so more damage for us

no capo

[willow portal]

juicy

[mighty pivot]

the lucky coin duration change is good but they didn't touch fatebound's cleave at all. Although it still sims very close to trickster somehow

[shrewd nymph]

That’s why I’m asking, I’m totally confused after this key 😅

[vivid vessel]

ye no wonder

they nerfed trickster so hard

wtih the cd increase

[mighty pivot]

it has to be just ST gap, because Delivered Doom is mostly inactive in keys and FI doesn't compare to trickster's cleave

[gaunt phoenix]

Wdym close

[vivid vessel]

also its not close its like 20% or someshit no ?

15% maybe

[mighty pivot]

https://outlawmallet.com/ptr/dungeonslice/ why is it so close here

[vivid vessel]

bro idk he doesnt even use pc

these sims are cooked

[mighty pivot]

what

he didn't yeah

nvm then that's disinformation

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound is like 4% behind slice

[vivid vessel]

I told him like 5 times already that outlaw is using pc now so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

But that's with the one st boss

[vivid vessel]

Also

Ye

Slice starts with a pure st boss

[covert kestrel]

unbothered king

[vivid vessel]

Which is so rare nowadays in m+

When you have a pure st boss you just pull into it

Anytime you can

[gaunt phoenix]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mGv3EDHEd3d8A1CqDXD8v6

embed ?!

[mighty pivot]

embed fail

4% is still closer than what it was this tier, right?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

droute is probably better

[mighty pivot]

FB is getting carried by the new tier

[gaunt phoenix]

since fatebound is ahead at 1 target only

[vivid vessel]

idk what would happen if you add an add to the first boss

fb prolly plumet

-20%

gg

[mighty pivot]

yeah I dunno why they just extended the duration then, it's less annoying to play around I guess or for open world

[gaunt phoenix]

that duration increase was like

[vivid vessel]

wasnt that a long time ago

[gaunt phoenix]

season 1

simc just never picked it up

[mighty pivot]

and they never updated the tooltip since?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[mighty pivot]

very cool

[vivid vessel]

Me when

Tooltip

Isn't dynamically generated

[near rock]

I'm fatebound only next season

[vivid vessel]

Ye ok buddy

[near rock]

long have we waited, trickster overrated

[vivid vessel]

You play killing spree with fateboudn btw

[near rock]

I know, thats great

we need to enjoy blizzards new animation

some animator worked real hard on that

[vivid vessel]

[covert kestrel]

the icon is a banger

[balmy topaz]

Worked so hard

And we’re gonna cancel 1/3 of the animation

[vivid vessel]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6H7SMxXgB7reSULDUbBftS @gaunt phoenix didnt change that much

[gaunt phoenix]

[willow portal]

thats aoe right?

[gaunt phoenix]

i didn't know you could append raid events over top of dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

it's dungeonslice with an extra add during the boss

for a bit

this is a fake droute i was testing with https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4hPvBjkZnEwjiQiPQhz3kC

[willow portal]

wait we doing dagger next season?

sadge

[gaunt phoenix]

dagger is like 0.2% dps over a slow offhand

[willow portal]

dagger is shit tmog

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vital wave]

legit question : how do we press KS on Cauldron mythic dinosaur boss without dying ?

[blissful zinc]

Question, why Dwarf rogue, i though nightelf was meta? What am i missing

[hybrid crown]

1 point KS and learn when not to press it

I just run KIR because it doesn't matter that much

[hardy thicket]

Dwarf does more damage and has a nice lil racial quirk to remove hard hitting dots and bleeds

[blissful zinc]

Okay thanks, time to spend some $ to change 😆

[pliant wind]

Remember thats only really useful in high keys

[remote pecan]

dont press it during the breath, any other time is fine

[gaunt phoenix]

wait 6 days

[mighty pivot]

[blissful zinc]

You got me convinced at the bit of "does more damage"

[gaunt phoenix]

tauren/dwarf is like 1.2% ahead of the rest of the races

[pliant wind]

the most important is the remove of bleeds

dps is 0 if they die : -)

[chilly dagger]

did a priory last night and got to dalcry and i'm like nice i do really well on this boss. top the meters but then after you look at the breakdown. 50% of the damage goes to the mob that doesn't need to die and you got gapped by 100mil on the primary boss XD

[covert heart]

Night elf mogs better so you more damage if you look better

[blissful zinc]

All im doing is key 10 since my guild dont want to do any higher keys

[gaunt phoenix]

They share hp

[pliant wind]

ah then dont worry

[chilly dagger]

oooo

[covert heart]

I would worry about it then

[pliant wind]

at 10 ure ok with any race

[chilly dagger]

rly?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

well they share damage taken

the other one has more health per se

[blissful zinc]

Which key is the start of getting actually hard when u are max gear currently "674"

[pliant wind]

im outlaw b.elf and i could do 17 easy, outlaw is a tank if u use your defensives correctly

[vivid vessel]

did you modify momma

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[covert heart]

Like 15s or something

[gaunt phoenix]

why

oh the vulnerability

[blissful zinc]

Whats the difference between 10 and 14

Ive tried 11 once and it felt like double of 10

[covert heart]

And even on 15s your racial doesnt matter

The racial only really matters at like zacs level

[pliant wind]

yeah bleeds at 19-20 can destroy you fast enough

20-21 wowers

[covert heart]

I think even wox is a night elf

[pliant wind]

and we dont have KS now to sustain damage like bleeds and that

[daring oxide]

these boots gonna legit be our biggest dps bump ay

[covert heart]

A 12 is when their a technical scale up but at this point it isnt even noticeable

I think i was doing 12s for crest at like 660ish

[daring oxide]

for outlaw buffs?

actually i forgot

should we keep using the shadow cudgel in 12.0

[blissful zinc]

Yeah if i que for 12 no one accepts me

[daring oxide]

in offhand

[gaunt phoenix]

i think she has less health than intended

[covert heart]

Just gotta use your own key and push

[gaunt phoenix]

oops

[white marten]

Yes

[covert heart]

At some point it has to be not worth anymore right?

[gaunt phoenix]

12.0 is next xpac

[mighty pivot]

yeah people go for much higher ilvl generally because it's late in the season and turbo boost inflated the ilvl

[white marten]

Ilvl 701 crudgel when?

[blissful zinc]

674 is low?

[covert heart]

Yea 680 is what peeps want

For easy keys

[daring oxide]

LOL i mean 11.2

[white marten]

684 or nothing

[daring oxide]

OPPS

[blissful zinc]

Yeah ive been playing for 2 weeks only..

[mighty pivot]

it's not low to do 12s but most people who ran many M+ are 680+

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh the entire game is >680

[white marten]

You’re original question wasn’t inherently wrong either.

[daring oxide]

maybe true

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

cudgel loses to a heroic weapon, dunno about sooner

[daring oxide]

i see

good to know

does offhand affect new KS damage coefficients?

[white marten]

We will keep using crudgel into next expansion, unless plaguefall goes into the mythic + pool

[covert heart]

All hail plagueweapon

[white marten]

I miss plaguefall jail 😦

[daring oxide]

what did it do again?

[white marten]

All hail da pox

[daring oxide]

i forgots

[white marten]

It procced dmg

All u need to know

[daring oxide]

how it proc damg?

[white marten]

Poxstorm for DA BOIS!

[white marten]

Outlaw the DoT spec

[vivid vessel]

yecause the hp is too high without the damage amp, + there is adds for the whole boss

[white marten]

Embrace the pestilence

[vivid vessel]

what route ddi you use

you pull a lot on bosses also

or well on moma and kelp boss

[white marten]

Love momma boss

[vivid vessel]

i think its an interesting dungeon to simulate tho

[gaunt phoenix]

it's an old route

[vivid vessel]

one pure st boss

[gaunt phoenix]

its prolly not modern

[vivid vessel]

a 2 t boss

and a lot of adds on bosses

its good

[white marten]

ST mythic dungeon bosses should be kept to a minimum 😌

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel you excited?

[hybrid crown]

Every class is sacrificing st talents for aoe it makes sense

[white marten]

Zac is literally losing sleep over the excitement

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[daring oxide]

zac is devoted

[white marten]

Outlaw is SOOO good

[daring oxide]

to a life of outlaw

[white marten]

He hasnt played live. Only Ptr

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel play badly during dungeon testing this week

get us a big 30% buff ye

[white marten]

Sandbag for us Zac

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-sandbagger-swgoh-sandbag-territory-war-galaxy-of-heroes-gif-16411237

[white marten]

Although I’ll probably be playing mage, but my heart beats for outlaw

[daring oxide]

sounds like a lie based on this statement

[pliant wind]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-talking-beard-im-an-outlaw-cabron-gif-17582888

[white marten]

Something about needing an ability that makes you go fast on large pulls or something

[pliant wind]

@vivid vessel

[white marten]

Arcane mage for me bois

Actually, maybe not. Arcane with pug tanks sounds like a nightmare

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-gif-9601382266643672112

[white marten]

But im an outlaw!

[white marten]

D:

#exposed

[white marten]

Love that Toes tag 🤣

[frail veldt]

Is there something exciting happening

New notes?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

(no)

[frail veldt]

Lol

[covert heart]

Huge changes coming

Trust

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[waxen scarab]

[keen belfry]

Your guy no?

[white marten]

Outlaw buffs soon surely.

[vivid vessel]

barely true nowadays + every class is uncapped + every class has funnel while we lose prio

[hybrid mesa]

not really only a handful really struggle with this anymore

[stray star]

100% tuning patch today. source: yes

[lofty sand]

Yeah BF uncapped and 20% ST increase

[wintry solar]

Girl u crazy

I got a case of orange creamsicle energy drinks getting delivered today

Only vitamins I'm consuming today are about 3000% of my daily amount of b12

[hybrid mesa]

i mean unless something is horrifically wrong with sims rn there's no reason to believe there won't be tuning this week and/or next

[jolly geyser]

Big brain with b12

[gaunt phoenix]

there will be tuning, tho i don't think they care for patchwerk sims

[balmy topaz]

I don’t think we’ll get any

[gaunt phoenix]

patchwerk sims are not meant to influence tuning either

[hybrid mesa]

yea patchwerk sims aren't the most telling but there's still info to get from them

they're not entirely useless

[balmy topaz]

Are any of the new raid bosses pure ST

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[balmy topaz]

I presume 1

[gaunt phoenix]

like 2

[hybrid mesa]

i think two?

not sure if that changes on mythic i don't remember rn

[balmy topaz]

Any of them actually the last2?

[hybrid mesa]

lmao no

the day blizz releases a st last boss

[balmy topaz]

Then yeah patchwork sim is useless

[hybrid mesa]

tho gally kinda gets there

[covert kestrel]

better be sugar free

we stan healthy outlaws round these parts

[gaunt phoenix]

2nd to last boss is like mostly 2 target

the dragon man

might be kinda good for the law

no fucking clue on dimensius

i think

[feral glen]

Seems aoecleave P1, then ST if I remember well.
Tactyks and another 1 Made a video about dungeon journal and visualize it on raid plan

[wintry solar]

It is! It's Reign brand

10 calories a can as well

[feral glen]

Max too made one a few Hours ago

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna be wired up and still in my deficit

[covert kestrel]

sounds good, but i only put water and booze in my body. no sodas, no coffee/tea, just both ends o the health spectrum

[desert tendon]

Beers are probably better for the health than some sodas

Tbf

[sudden fulcrum]

I’m a cold brew only gamer

[wintry solar]

I used to be only water and black coffee

But now it's everything

[gaunt phoenix]

interesting the tier sets are fairly close in value now

[wintry solar]

I drink everything in moderation now.

[vivid vessel]

except with the ks nerf trickster still got nerfed compared to fb so its playing catchup with the tier kinda

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fair

[dim widget]

na, alcohol is big poison for the body

[sudden fulcrum]

Alcohol kills gains

[austere shale]

just take test and some milkthistle

[wintry solar]

Ingest any liquid that won't kill you in 30 minutes

It feels so weird Ozzy not being on Earth anymore

It's like waking up and chocolate ice cream isn't being sold anywhere anymore

[shy flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy flume]

whats the best simming spec for dungeons for outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

wdym?

[shy flume]

which race

sorry

is the highest sim for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

technically night elf but it is unreliable, followed by tauren/dwarf

[dim widget]

i advise to go dwarf, decent dmg and stoneform is goated

[thorny plume]

Go Goblin for superior stealth

[white marten]

Gnome is BiS

[shy flume]

fireblood is goated

for most dungeons

[normal forge]

which talent u guys using here? numbing or atrophic?

[shy flume]

difference is agility right fireblood vs armor right

you wanna go d.i dwarf for dps

[dim widget]

numbing m+, atrophic raid

[gaunt phoenix]

generally atrophic in raid and numbing in keys, though atrophic is used in higher keys

[covert kestrel]

in terms of pure dps numbers, the difference is like at most 1% so its really not a factor

#removealldpsdifferencesbetweenraces

[white marten]

Numbing because nobody ever kicks in keys

[dim widget]

based

also all other racials imo

i just wanna be a gangster undead not having to worry about missing out on poerformance and/or utility

[covert kestrel]

racials should just be fun out of combat flavor

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, i dont like that dwarf/tauren is worth like an entire item level

for outlaw

[frank finch]

@gaunt phoenix are the demon hunter boots scaling with ilvl now?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont know if it is specifically item level or just the track it drops with, but yes

[shy flume]

solo what spellquewindow you play

its 400 by default

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[shy flume]

it was like your + 200

[gaunt phoenix]

i've never had an issue with 400

[shy flume]

wtf

400 is bad or

[gaunt phoenix]

why

[shy flume]

if you spam

you can get another spell in que thats bad

if you spamming and mid spam change mind

u cannot cancel it

[gaunt phoenix]

it uses your most recent press

unless the window already ended

by the time you change your mind

[shy flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23es61x6Nmw

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not watching an 11 minute video, but if it says the queue locks in your spell, it's wrong

[hybrid crown]

The lower your spell queue the more button mashing you will have to do to keep up 100% activity. Either that or you are pressing your next button with 1/10 second accuracy

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you should play 400 but if you are accidentally double casting stuff then try lowering it

[hybrid crown]

For every single global

[toxic star]

thats wrong

[hybrid crown]

I also play at 400

[desert tendon]

Again, it s all about quantity and frequency

[shy flume]

yes this what i tried to say

[hybrid crown]

Why do you want to mash buttons more

[desert tendon]

Anything can Turn to be bad, even water

[grim spear]

I don't think 400 queue would cause double casting.

[gaunt phoenix]

thank you censi

[hybrid crown]

You can press your next button at any point between 400 ms before the next global and whatever your latency is before the next global instead

[shy flume]

200 + ping is gucci

[toxic star]

what was the default for sqw, 300? or 400 even

[shy flume]

you can try yourself

[hybrid crown]

400

[shy flume]

its personal preference

[grim spear]

400 is fine

[midnight thorn]

so i got an outlaw alt, myth mugzee and vexie kill, what should i spend the dinar on? I already have the mugzee trinket. Im assuming capo's for sure but im unsure about that vexie trinket

[covert kestrel]

\endthread

[grim spear]

no need to make it any smaller

[warped mantle]

@gaunt phoenix do my GCDs need to be 0.8 on wowanalyzer to make sure i have no gaps

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[warped mantle]

i have that

and i play on 80 sqw

[hybrid crown]

Someone in DF was bragging about having 0 spell queue and people looked at their logs and they were losing DPS lol

[warped mantle]

with like 5 ping

if i use even 200 my shit lags ngl

game is only playable for me sub 100

must have tried every sqw over the yrs

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fine

[hybrid crown]

Spell queue just lets you press your next button in line before it goes off

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean you have 80 milliseconds to queue your spell but if it works it works

[glass mortar]

Spellqueue is the biggest placebo in the game and at this point I'm not even sure it does anything at all

[covert kestrel]

spellqueuewindow has to be one of the most misunderstood concepts in all of wow lmao

[grim spear]

spell queue wont make you any lags

[glass mortar]

😠

[hybrid crown]

If you think it makes the game lag you don't understand how it works

[warped mantle]

you mean this ye solo

[grim spear]

400 for sub is also totally fine

[warped mantle]

so im gucci

?

i always wondered if my low sqw was giving me slight delay

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont know wowanalyzer specifically

[warped mantle]

cause on actual wclogs its hard to tell

it just says 0.8 between every gcd basically

on wowan

[gaunt phoenix]

just link it

[warped mantle]

ayt sec

[rapid phoenix]

running these in ptr anyone else testing anything else

[warped mantle]

zac runs those 2 as well

for what it's worth

[rapid phoenix]

my big questison is am i holding everytime for 15 stacks for am just sending on cd

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks like you should send it with vanish and after you have 4+ buffs active

regardless of stacks

this is just something we tested in sims a bit

[warped mantle]

cringe more raid trinkets needed for m+

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe there is a better rule

[warped mantle]

are there any close m+ trinks zero

other than floodgate

ara kara

or are they gapped by nether prism

similar to house of cards rn on live ig

[red zinc]

mastery delve trinket

(Fixed before live)

[grim spear]

ara kara was for its haste

we don't need that this tier

[covert kestrel]

although solo linked some sim with arakara winning again

[grim spear]

fine

[desert tendon]

guys guys

i have a joke

a good one

looks very meta to me

[frail veldt]

how the fuck you got 5 ping

[frank finch]

lives under the servers

[frail veldt]

wild

100 makes sense for 5 ping

I play like 80 over my ms so 60ms I play like a 140 sqw

[vapid sundial]

I play on 8ms on bleeding hollow

[frail veldt]

SO true

people think sqw adds delay

[vapid sundial]

Central servers are super close

[frail veldt]

when it does the fucking opposite lol

[warped mantle]

[gaunt phoenix]

listen

spell queue is legit fucked for some people

it's like some weird server issue

[covert kestrel]

It's a ghost in the ethernet

[frail veldt]

I have had issues when server is very laggy

and sqw doesnt get cleared after a gcd

[warped mantle]

a ghost in the shell u could say

[frail veldt]

which is very annoying

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-in-the-shell-thinking-ponder-gif-9486824

[warped mantle]

do u use 400 mewo

can u record

ur action bars

when u spam spells?

i wanna see something

[frail veldt]

no I use like 140

[warped mantle]

ah kk

i wanna see sm1 using 400 on OL

how it looks on ur action bars

cause for me it spins and unqueues spells

if i spam

[frail veldt]

oh weird

[warped mantle]

I use like 80

[frail veldt]

so even if you spam buttons fast it doesnt go off on gcd

[warped mantle]

ye

[frail veldt]

with 400?

[warped mantle]

it goes off way earlier

[frail veldt]

thats wild

[warped mantle]

lmao

if i press it

it queues it

[frail veldt]

can you record that? lol

[warped mantle]

like 1s before

[covert kestrel]

Record it!

[frail veldt]

well it cant be 1s before wdym

[warped mantle]

ayt gimme a bit

it goes off way before bro

it's cooked

[frail veldt]

within the 800ms gcd we have

[warped mantle]

1s is hyperbole

ofc

[frail veldt]

I mean before cant be an issue can it?

[warped mantle]

but it queues the spell

like halfway

before the spell is ready

and i cant change the queue

[frail veldt]

yeah

ah

you cant replace the buffer

[warped mantle]

no

so whatever i press is locked in

[covert kestrel]

Also don't do it in dorn, dummies lag fucked there

[frail veldt]

yes thats what I said lol

buffer == queue in this case

[warped mantle]

ye but that's no bueno

[frail veldt]

its a 1 element buffer afaik

that should just take the most recent button press

that the server sees

[warped mantle]

can't react to anything on my end

w high sqw

[frail veldt]

strange