outlaw

[frail veldt]

some people only have fun when theyre at the top of the meter

[upper surge]

oh that reminds me

[vapid sundial]

Those people tend to get banned from discords

i feel

[glass mortar]

But I complained about s2m back in en when shadow was doing like 40% more raw dps then most specs

[cinder relic]

Yeah I think wow specs generally speaking rn are pretty fun across the board

[upper surge]

yo twist

[cinder relic]

they all got issues, none are perfect but they all play pretty good

[wintry solar]

Can't gain rating = off-season

[upper surge]

[wintry solar]

Simple as

[frail veldt]

yeah some more than others for sure

[cinder relic]

Like arms warrior is super fun, but it probably has my least favourite talent in the game

[vapid sundial]

I just wish they would make KS not the worst thing in existence.
No matter how much dmg it does I wont like the ability.

[frail veldt]

I think its usually pretty apparent though when a spec is fun and not S tier thats when you know the spec is REALLY fun

[glass mortar]

Hwat

[frail veldt]

like uhdk wasnt "fun" before being S tier

[upper surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656645642785128468/1094984361637580840/caption.gif

[frail veldt]

well to some it was obv

but it wanst like everyone was "loving" uhdk before

[glass mortar]

Pog

FREEEEDOM

[upper surge]

shut up nerd lmao

ill see you on the 7th

[frail veldt]

I wonder which specs popularity gets hurt the most by its meter performance tbh

probably one of the mage/lock specs

since its so easy to just swap to the best one

[upbeat tundra]

@cinder relic can you imagine how the devs feel trying to make a computer game and the community is just... this

[vapid sundial]

anyways yap over

cya

[cinder relic]

and mfers wonder why realz isn't active in here

[frail veldt]

do people wonder?

[cedar zinc]

👍

[frail veldt]

rofl

[wintry solar]

I do

Ryu is gone

[glass mortar]

If only there was a feedback thread with 90%+ of the responses giving good feedback in agreement with each other

[vapid sundial]

Probably bc he has more to do than just sit active in a discord.

[gaunt phoenix]

Well this is been happening since the beginning of wow history

[vapid sundial]

Would be my guess.

[gaunt phoenix]

They know

[tropic zephyr]

I mean, tuning is part of it no? The CD got nerfed, so less UB and now it's some cone cleave dam type
So yeah, if at least pressing it felt really good cause nice damage there would be less complaints?

[frail veldt]

nah community issue

[glass mortar]

They could use to help guide ability improvements

[cedar zinc]

👍

[glass mortar]

I'm sure it's this discords fault

They only asked us for the feedback thread my god

[frail veldt]

yeah this is how any product works lol

[wintry solar]

My biggest fear is realz and the rest of the crew listen to Mafic

[frail veldt]

you know how many people complain about the UI on any app/phone/operating system/etc

constantly

[cedar zinc]

Sou eu Felipe

[frail veldt]

I dontt hink the wow community is remarkably unique in this haha

[vapid sundial]

The main problem is

rogue players especially have the 'im right you are wrong' mentality.

All of us here do it

to the extreme.

[cedar zinc]

👍

[chilly atlas]

i only think im right because i am right

[frank finch]

[slender light]

question about the rotation, should I be trying to use roll the bones often to get supercharged as much as possible?

[frail veldt]

tbh this class disc feels like people actually are more willing to discuss/argue something

[glass mortar]

Anytime u are at reroll rules yes

[upbeat tundra]

the game got a lot more fun for me when i stopped like sexually identifying as a single spec/class refusing to play anything else and complaining about it, and just went and played whatever they fucked up balancing on this patch

[glass mortar]

Rtb becomes ur top priority

[gaunt phoenix]

roll the bones has its own set of rules based on how many buffs you have, they are best detailed in the #outlaw-faq

[slender light]

ooo

[frail veldt]

I did this in DF in pvp but it wasnt as satisfying

[gaunt phoenix]

they are also changing in a week

[frail veldt]

having an class identity in an mmo feels good

[wintry solar]

I can only reroll for a week so many times

[frail veldt]

Id rather do that and let my "time to shine" come around

[cedar zinc]

👍

[upbeat tundra]

this reminds me of the people i see in yoda's chat who keep saying "is it 2h or 1h fdk? i only want to play 2h because it looks better i wont play it otherwise" (this literally happens)

[frail veldt]

haha

[gaunt phoenix]

they are based

[frail veldt]

yeah ive heard that sentiment

they miss the old times

[wintry solar]

It happens in acherus literally every 30 minutes

[silver sluice]

to be positive, yeah, out of a lot of the discords this one feels pretty good. And based on my experience as a security and infra engineer that does light help with enterprise app coding/testing/qa, some of the personalities in here are TAME compared to higher up shit i've seen on 'what's correct'

[frail veldt]

I also know fdk players who refuse to play if sindragossa is the bis build

[gaunt phoenix]

how recent was this reform cause i thought you were S tier complainer

[fervent garden]

been there. change management for idiots

[wintry solar]

I bet it's nice having every capstone viable and somewhat equal in power

[upbeat tundra]

i complain about lfg

[slender light]

I only see KIR breakdowns for RTB on the pins

[frail veldt]

but youre playing the bis spec

why would lfg suck

lol

[frail veldt]

#outlaw-faq

not pins

[slender light]

oh ok ty!

I see now

[frail veldt]

yw

[desert tendon]

mewo

[upbeat tundra]

i just complain about the system lfg and why there isnt a que system instead like every other modern game made in teh past 15 years

[desert tendon]

Any finger pic today

[frail veldt]

sup censi

[desert tendon]

😳

[frail veldt]

LOL

gtfo

[cinder relic]

legit

[desert tendon]

just the tip of it 😳

[frail veldt]

you only got the teaser

gotta pay for the full suite

[cinder relic]

I'd be a lot more upset with the game if I was a hardcore outlaw 1 trick still. I enjoy rogue a lot, Outlaw wasn't fun this szn cuz of KS, why would i play it

I have 2 other fun specs to play

[desert tendon]

if only you knew what i pay for already...

[cinder relic]

I'm gonna play it next season cuz I like new KS a lot

[upbeat tundra]

precisely

[frail veldt]

I stopped playing outlaw cuz of KS too honestly

I was really close to considering pushing title

[frank finch]

[frail veldt]

but KS was just too much

[desert tendon]

i didnt play outlaw at all s2 because of trickster ks

[frail veldt]

instead just took a break from wow been great

gotten so many tasks done ive been procrastinating

[wintry solar]

I'd take a break from wow before I took a break from Outlaw tbh

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lestergreen-beetle-beet-beetlejuice-beetlejuicelestergreen-gif-12603369189099189147

[frail veldt]

I cant wait for new KS despite its issues

[wintry solar]

Nothing satisfies

[frail veldt]

cuz current outlaw(ignoring ks) is like the best its ever been imo

gameplay wise

[covert kestrel]

i always say im gonna play something else and then i come crawling back like the lil weak minded slut that i am

[frail veldt]

I love the UB minigame

[wintry solar]

You're so real for that

[cinder relic]

mfers when you realize you can enjoy something despite its issues

[frail veldt]

I love double vanish

well

depends on the issues

[upper surge]

bye @glass mortar , we have fronteir now

[frail veldt]

cuz current kS

[upper surge]

wait

[frail veldt]

I cant ignore those

[upper surge]

fronteir has a toes tag

[gaunt phoenix]

i like coins ! !

[upper surge]

nvm you're back weran

[cinder relic]

REAL

[upper surge]

fronteir is out

[cedar zinc]

👍

[frail veldt]

I honestly wish 1fth kir wasnt so much better

[cinder relic]

its like 3% better

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[cinder relic]

Higher variance, less aura

[frail veldt]

3% in dslice but a lot more if youre pulling mobs onto bosses

[wintry solar]

I wish HO wasn't throwing

[frail veldt]

and this season had a lot of bosses with aoe

[wintry solar]

In dungeons

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's around 3% in any aoe

[harsh forge]

1 fth isn’t so bad

[frail veldt]

going to 2fth is losing PC though

that shit pops off so hard

[cedar zinc]

🔴

[harsh forge]

having the combo points off blade flurry is so nice

[gaunt phoenix]

You remove gs

[glass mortar]

1 fth was always about st tradeofftho

[frail veldt]

as kir??? no

that one was way more than 3%

[wintry solar]

Yes???

[cedar zinc]

Felipe sou eu

[gaunt phoenix]

It's not

[frail veldt]

I checked this cuz I really wanted to drop GS I swear it was over 5%

[gaunt phoenix]

2FTH, remove GS, is a 3% aoe loss, and 6% pure st loss

Trust

[glass mortar]

Wait 2fth is an aoe loss too???

I thought this was all for st to keep pc

[frail veldt]

I looked back and it said 5% in dslice

to drop gs as kir

[gaunt phoenix]

like 5 target

[frail veldt]

the sim expired

though

leme resim this shit I could have been running non gs this whole time that would have been a dream

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah i mean next tier

[frail veldt]

ooooooooh

[gaunt phoenix]

idr this tier

[frail veldt]

this tier was def over 5% cuz I litearlly said this a couple months ago

the sim I linked is expired though and im too lazy to log in and resim haha

next season if its only 3% im 100000% dropping it

fuuuuuuuuuuuck gs

[wintry solar]

1fth is fun if you're not playing it the entire season

[frail veldt]

the lulls in 1fth are just too much for me

[glass mortar]

Ots fun the 60% of the time u have bs because it doesn't matter

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm not sure I will play 1fth this tier

[frail veldt]

it makes the bad moments feel worse

[glass mortar]

Then everytime it actually matters its awful as fuk

[gaunt phoenix]

even if we are undertuned st

[wintry solar]

1fth made the kir vs ho thing more cringe

[gaunt phoenix]

1 FTH vs 2 FTH remove GS

next tier slice https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/peJ9GxC5Z8gLcQZkSZigRg

next tier 8 target https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bMAidxu3ypWgmgP2Umx8tb

next tier 1 target 3 min https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dYPSrsfDW1yghPy321Xqzu

[covert heart]

I dont know if this happens for anyone else I feel like i do more damage with 2fth. Maybe because I have some gameplay ineffiences that it covers up

[frail veldt]

yeah most likely

[random stirrup]

Fuck gs amen

[frail veldt]

1fth is pretty burtal on builder rules

[glass mortar]

1 fth is a disaster if ur not on top of ur builder rules

[frail veldt]

jinx

[covert heart]

Like in raid i dont mind gs but in keys I feel like I play worse with it

[frail veldt]

well in raid youre probably not playing 1fth with gs

[covert heart]

Oh you play 2 thats right

Yea I am newer to the spec so def have some ineffiences still

[frail veldt]

1fth is tough

even people whov been playing outlaw a long time struggle with it

[random stirrup]

It does so much damage tho

[vivid vessel]

idk

its not so much that i struggle with it

its rather that

the lows are too low man

its like

kir lows

• new outlaw lows

[frail veldt]

yeah even when you play it very well it still sucks at times

[vivid vessel]

• 1 fth

at some point

ytou have to say stop

like i cant handle any more

daddy blizzard

please

[frail veldt]

haha

[vivid vessel]

it cant go lower than this

leave me alone

[covert kestrel]

[frail veldt]

would you play non gs next season if its only 3% overall in dslice

[covert heart]

I may just play 2 fth next season I def play better with it

[frail veldt]

3% loss that is

[vivid vessel]

no

idk

gs is st

i wouldnt drop anything that gives outalw st

or prio

rn

[frail veldt]

yeaaaah

6% in st

unfortunately

[vivid vessel]

like i was consiudering droppping pc

but

[covert heart]

Is there a talent we can drop to get both for keys or not really?

[vivid vessel]

pc is litteraly

15% aoe talent

[frail veldt]

pc is so juicy

[vivid vessel]

at every target count

its not even possible

[frail veldt]

both gs and pc?

you have to pick 2 of the 3

[covert heart]

2fth and gs

[frail veldt]

2nd point fth, gs, or pc

[vivid vessel]

and they just nerfed our aoe by 10% so its not doable now

[frail veldt]

yeah drop pc

[covert heart]

Ohh okay

[vivid vessel]

they nerfed bf to compensate for us taking pc

[gaunt phoenix]

you cant remove pc anymore

[vivid vessel]

scummy move

ngl

[covert heart]

So its either a choice between 2fth or gs

[cedar zinc]

🔴

[covert kestrel]

[white marten]

Gs too strong

[covert heart]

Just if dont play well enough with judt 1 fth then I can have a dps loss either way. I may just take the 3% dungeon slice loss

It def feels way smoother

Def been talked about before def need to just make it one node

[gaunt phoenix]

3% if you play it correctly

[keen belfry]

I will always play the best if played right built cuz im sweaty

They will soon let us be 2fth gs pc kit

Do not fret

[quiet ore]

If you pull bigly in m+, you'll still never have scnearios where pc is active outside some specific cleave bosses and thus you don't need it and don't have to choose - dslice overstates low target cleave impact, imo

[gaunt phoenix]

well it's interesting

we thought this way for a while yea

then they bugfixed bf and it felt like pc was doing infinite damage

[random stirrup]

mobs don’t die entirely equally even when pulling big

Pc still gets value at end of pack

[quiet ore]

right, but end of pack value is giga fake value

that's like... an execute's execute

like <5% uptime

and nobody wants to extend that time or intentionally go for it

if anything, a lot of high skill runs just start chain pulling when target counts get low, if comp allows

[frank finch]

new site on deck

https://wowpoacher.io/

[gaunt phoenix]

i think not necessarily end of pack

Idk you're just not always at full targets

[frank finch]

forums on fire due to this

[warped mantle]

isnt it basiclaly juist

an easier to read wclogs

lmao

[frank finch]

yea

[random stirrup]

I don’t even think it’s easier to read that much

It’s just showing dps ranks by boss

[warped mantle]

ig it shows if they have a guild

so u can dm the guildless peeps

[covert kestrel]

someone pick these guys up!!

[warped mantle]

but it doesnt even have all stars n stuff

[frank finch]

brand new site thats coming soon prolly

[vivid vessel]

ye and this is wrong

a lot of packs start above 8

andthen very quickly

you finish under

finish as in 60% of the pack

[quiet ore]

I'm just sayin that the value flucuates wildly with how you pull, and the popular giga pull strats it doesn't benefit much. If you're doing closer to blizz-intended pack routing, it's great

[covert heart]

You have convinced me fuck gs🤣

[gaunt phoenix]

it is tough call cause we are undertuned st

and then you remove even more now

idk game sucks !

[covert heart]

Thats true I just see it as a dungeon slice thing and I can maybe just accept the st lose since its already so bad and just hope I make it up through the rest of the instance playing better

[pastel sierra]

that's where they want outlaw wdym

[covert kestrel]

SOLO TOXIC?!?!?!?

[gaunt phoenix]

to ehom

whom

[covert kestrel]

Our dear shareholders

https://tenor.com/view/anniversary-fevrier-300-spartans-gif-5413705107543237892

[covert heart]

As long as the shareholders are happy I am happy

[glass mortar]

Idk zac swears by it and I doubt any outlaw is doing crazier pulls then that bozo

I think u quite often r under this target threshold even in high end dungeons

It does help this season has so many 2t bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

priory 1st boss

pc is like +30% dmg

[covert kestrel]

big mother

[brisk meadow]

No u

[gaunt phoenix]

okay you might have a point that it is lowkey the bosses carrying pc

[glass mortar]

I think its just too strong even for finishing off packs idk

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[glass mortar]

Alot of mismatched hp this season

But so many bosses it gets power from helps

[covert kestrel]

s3 still has lots of good bosses for pc right

[craggy barn]

LBR, the real saving grace of outlaw this season in keys was cudgel

banger item

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[covert heart]

Priory 1st boss is so funny for damage haha

[round spindle]

What is PC?

[gaunt phoenix]

precise cuts

[fervent garden]

see that's why i lurk around this place all day. I know the acronym's are in the FAQ, but i pretty much understand about 23% of what you guys say here. but slowly starting to get it. it's made me a better Outlaw no doubt.

[latent oak]

chills

[covert kestrel]

as god intended

[gaunt phoenix]

void fragment nerfed

[frank finch]

getting updates pre patch notes

king solo

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-mdx-mandala-exchange-gif-21603734

solo is in the matrix

sorry i stole your gif zach MDX

[glass mortar]

Isn't void fragment the fun one tho

We're gunna get frikt by other specs abusing this rnt we

[frank finch]

its the 30k mastery one

[vivid vessel]

When I get a few mins I will show you

I think people overestimate

How often you are above

You start above

But end up bellow

Quite quick

In most packs

Now it sucks that there are some packs the talent has 0 value

It should be merged with dancing probably honestly

I don't think it's fair for outlaw to lose that much just do to normal AOE anyway

When we are supposed to be the spec that don't lose anything

[gaunt phoenix]

the boots are now 150% in spell data

maybe its intended

[vivid vessel]

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

Holy shomke

[frank finch]

optional boss no more

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw buff right there

[gaunt phoenix]

we are the best spec to benefit from that

[frank finch]

holy

[vivid vessel]

Yep

[hybrid crown]

Cloak rogue

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw stonks

Up

[glass mortar]

Oh OK heck it then

[upper hawk]

outlaw: the cloak proc does 10% of my damage. feral: the cloak has a proc?

[frank finch]

ok ok

unintended outlaw buff

what more can we get

[vivid vessel]

4.4%

[gaunt phoenix]

egg

[covert kestrel]

perchance an intended one

[vivid vessel]

wasnt htere something about eg oversimming

[frank finch]

how much did it do for the mage and dk

[vivid vessel]

casue you keep stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

or whatver

[agile orchid]

they pushed a hotfix?

[gaunt phoenix]

there are silent hotfixes every day

yeh

[nova apex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[agile orchid]

how do you even get notified when there are changes?

[random stirrup]

very "optional" boss

[gaunt phoenix]

some people have ways to detect changes to the client or some shit

[hybrid crown]

Does that change our crafted order

[random stirrup]

just drops a tier token, good trinkets, and boots worth 8%

[hybrid crown]

The boots are crafted right

[gaunt phoenix]

No they are from the raid

[random stirrup]

i mean even at 50 u werent crafting boots this tier

[hybrid crown]

Ohh

[agile orchid]

I swear they said the boss is optional just to feel special

there is no reason to skip it

[gaunt phoenix]

this soleah trinket giving haste

is lowkey fine

imagine relying on this tho

[vivid vessel]

fuck you with these boring ass trinkets oslo

im playing prism

20 milli aoe burst

[gaunt phoenix]

well yea

you prolly should play it if you get it

[frank finch]

are the boots really 8 %

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

i just picked a number

[frank finch]

[covert kestrel]

🎰

[gaunt phoenix]

the proc is like 10% st

So the boots are 6%

[frank finch]

[gaunt phoenix]

on st

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/reno911-gif-4851667

[frank finch]

so close to not dooming

[random stirrup]

i love rng procs being 10% of damage

[remote pecan]

You realise what channel your in right

[covert kestrel]

when i wake up in the morning i flip a coin whether i will doom s3 outlaw or not

[gaunt phoenix]

the noggen has returned

outlaw invents a way to gain 6% from a random item

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

man ive been on fire with the reaction gifs today

[glass mortar]

Noggin will live in legend

Only sad that it didn't last long enuff for more public sims of it to get out

For a brief moment of time, outlaw was tied for best pi spec in the game

Because a single trinket was scaling harder with haste then unholy dk cds

[frank finch]

never forget

just remember to throw noggen behind you

[desert tendon]

weran

you hot

[latent oak]

the best part about noggen was when it wasnt being attributed to u, and showed as a seperate entity on logs

and it would beat healers

making them be 6th highest dps in the key

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ricardo-milos-milos-pepe-dance-ricardo-gif-16211733235550428781

[desert tendon]

that s u?

[glass mortar]

Only when I c u

[frank finch]

hot off the presses

demo gets an astrik something about being bugged

[balmy topaz]

Fatebound

[vivid vessel]

fatebound

[desert tendon]

NEW LISTE

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

everyone hate on fatebound sims please !

bully them

[ashen void]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[glass mortar]

Wheres the trickster st...

🙂

[vivid vessel]

I have a new ennemy now weran

my new goal

is to convince everyone

[balmy topaz]

Can we please just only sim trickster

[covert kestrel]

below the tanks kekekek

[vivid vessel]

of how shit fatebound is

i chose my new fight

[glass mortar]

I'm fully on board

It's an easy fix tho idk just like all our hero talents

[vivid vessel]

im going to bully anyone that says they like fatebound

[glass mortar]

Fix capstone (make tier set baseline or something idk)

And then fix the two st nodes that just turn off in aoe

Like ????

[fiery stirrup]

hello I've unquit the game how are my fellow outlaw enjoyers doing today

[ashen void]

wdym you dont enjoy doing less st damage when something else is nearby?

[glass mortar]

Why even exist

[ashen void]

[dawn talon]

i like playing around RP

[burnt dragon]

Anyone notice that blade flurry doesn't AoE in legacy content?

[glass mortar]

Y does the hero talent that doesnt change ur playstyle just make ur damage profile more shit

[covert kestrel]

ye

[glass mortar]

Yes if ur attack kills the target it won't flurry

[covert kestrel]

known bug from our last bug

[glass mortar]

It broke when they fixed us hitting dead targets with bf

[burnt dragon]

How is this company so bad at this

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-spaghetti-ai-eating-gif-2796300478009311884

lost in the sauce of the spaghetti code

[vernal smelt]

Just joined, is this patchwork?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

tho sims are not really meant for this

each spec exists in the context of its implementation

you can infer that outlaw's patchwerk damage is on the lower end

with some degree of confidence

[glass mortar]

What is tricksters st sim I. This style

Do we have it

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster is 6%? behind fatebound

on st

[glass mortar]

Only 6% ok thats not as bad as it culda been

[remote pecan]

Even with the latest apl updates?

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[covert kestrel]

so just ahead of assa in last then

[glass mortar]

So that would put it around the sin sim at the very bottom of that list

[covert kestrel]

we stay taking Ws

[gaunt phoenix]

okay sin doesnt even have a public apl

whoever put sin there is fried

[random stirrup]

sin also thrives on being omega undersimming

[agile orchid]

usually outlaw is simming high but is mid in reality

the fact it's on the bottom now is bad

[vernal smelt]

Is this because they have a flat dmg profile?

[dim parrot]

It’s because outlaw needs uptime for CDR

[agile orchid]

flat profile, requires uptime

[white marten]

0 burst no good on dmg amp

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw will prolly have a couple bosses where it looks good as usual

[agile orchid]

people also make mistakes and don't play like the robot

[white marten]

1st boss of ecodome a nice outlaw boss

[frank finch]

sin also does way more with fatebound iirc

[covert kestrel]

i thought they disowned fb

[frank finch]

they did

its cooked currently

[gaunt phoenix]

there's no info until whispyr declares it

[covert heart]

I play perfectly just built different

[haughty wigeon]

its optional because you dont need to kill him to unlock the last boss

but not optional for obvious boot related reasons

[haughty wigeon]

said list is giga outdated

[balmy topaz]

That list is a big meme

[vivid vessel]

ye

in reality outlaw is a bit below

[slate forge]

In reality it is yellow

[covert heart]

Unless you are color blind

[azure vortex]

hello sir can i get my season 2 recap please

[white marten]

In reality were low for playing rogue in the first place

[shy sandal]

soo outlaw best rog spec next season as usual right ?

[covert kestrel]

It's always the best cause it's the most fun

[shy sandal]

That is true indeed.

only reason i play it 😄

[covert heart]

Always dont worry about it sims are just a number

Its really about the keys you killed along the way because of the damage

[vivid vessel]

@tall wedge https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwgCNUW8ycX67LEKFxqZNXlG5mwsoDsuw?si=pla0qHPGPL5xjEsq got a bug of the weak aura here, you can see the first ss proc the tier and gives 2 while consuming one ub from ks, fine, then i press ss again and i get another from the cd ub, except it doesnt reset ub cd so i get baited later thinking it has come back

[wanton wedge]

There anything special with using the Mega Magnet trinket? Or just send it before 30 stacks?

[vivid vessel]

can hold for damage amps

or to finish high hp mobs

stuffs like this

[wanton wedge]

Gotcha! Thank you

[balmy topaz]

Skill issue

[normal forge]

is there any where i can buy hero gear to use catalyst on? for xmog purposes

[wanton wedge]

Vision gear maybe? Or is that just weapons?

[normal forge]

just weaps there

[void dragon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

Ready for sub gg go next

[tall wedge]

can you reproduce this?

[vivid vessel]

prolly not

i have seen it happen a few time, only time i noted the time to make a clip tho

idk maybe its cause the ub is delayed so it think its a proc from tier ? idk how you handle it

but like the third es i get is prolly quite close

since it goes ss > delay > ub > delay > ub > ss > ub

so idk what happne if your 2nd and third ub is too close, maybe your weak aura think the third ub is a tier set proc aswell

[desert tendon]

zac stop annoying people now and go to bed 😠

[frank finch]

cut by half

[tender wedge]

lol

That’s about in line with how OP it was

[normal forge]

is this accurate? where is frost dk?

[gaunt phoenix]

just gonna paste this when people post sim comparisons

[normal forge]

sure, thanks

[ashen void]

yeah but the Sims 2 was clearly peak

downhill from there

[normal forge]

@vivid vessel who is the kill-prio class in physic comp? arms warrior?

[vivid vessel]

feral

or wdym

feral is the one with most prio

im actually the lowest i think

[covert kestrel]

is there a way to make bars in bartender go longer than 12 buttons

[vivid vessel]

but we all have decent prio

its not like one guy was doing all the prio

even our tank does good prio

[normal forge]

got it

thanks

[fervent scroll]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[grave carbon]

ive been playing a bunch of classes

and it made me realise how much of a crutch outlaw mobility is for me

[tall wedge]

Do you have logs for any of these instances? that would help, you seem like the type of person to log everything

[vivid vessel]

this clip ye

other no

[tall wedge]

That's fine

[vivid vessel]

let me see

[delicate seal]

would it be worth rewording to mention its for gearing within the scope of that spec itself

[gaunt phoenix]

yea sure

[cinder relic]

Sims are fake but with extra words

[sullen wyvern]

Are there any simms for s3?

[glass mortar]

u can get some value from sims

like the fact that in the stacked sims outlaws generally towards the top/mid top of the pack in patchwerk ST and even then its generally just ok in raid

so if its near the bottom of the pile its a little worrying i think

[vivid vessel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dkywjvtcHG6RhN1D?fight=15&type=summary&source=4&view=events&start=13796876&end=13804095 here, 23:14:322 is the ss cast

first one

[tall wedge]

thx, I can look for the rest

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315079745098350592/1399873815584051271/image.png?ex=688a9596&is=68894416&hm=76696f3c0362713a98e1c9f24ec60d2e9337ba7a9bf7812d7aec05b3cecc5610&

here we go agane

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1231689576406450296/chrome_buFPthgKnh.gif

[desert tendon]

yep

you remember

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

this fucking wheel kept spinning for a full afternoon

[vivid vessel]

ah nice

good start

[desert tendon]

yea same lmao

gotta refresh just

0.15 was tough

first season ever without touching outlaw, maybe that s why i quitted

quick season

[vivid vessel]

noob

[prisma vessel]

i get a white screen w/ raider io's site

xD

[vivid vessel]

i had your pick io in 3 days you noobie

im sad im not a one trik anymroe

other specs ..

i hate playing alts

..

[desert tendon]

do you realise how much i didnt push lmao

when i was playing

was just doing my dailies for progress and couple of "push" keys with zero from time to time

[gaunt phoenix]

every time these recaps happen my login info for raider.io is lost to the void

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

blame it on zac

in case it s zac's fault. If it s not, then i will become

zac do you want to see the recap altoholic of one of my left guild?

[tall wedge]

Why are there two ?

The "Numbers" one is like 6 versions old

[vivid vessel]

i had 2 ways of visual representation

i havent updated it on wago aswell

[tall wedge]

Is one of those unloaded/disabled?

[vivid vessel]

yte

but the one i have on ptr

i havent uploaded yet

[tall wedge]

ok, I just want to make sure we're working off the same thing

[vivid vessel]

its updated from when you messaged me

to update it

[tall wedge]

the wago page?

or your ptr one

[vivid vessel]

the one i have on ptr

[tall wedge]

k

[vivid vessel]

is the version you updated when i asked you for the update last time

like last week or smth

its pretty recent

[tall wedge]

Can yo usend me that one? Can DM

[vivid vessel]

ye one sec

[tall wedge]

I want to make sure that if you have two of them that they aren't intersecting at all

[vivid vessel]

oh no i think i deleted the other one on ptr anyway

https://wago.io/C68-e2mSB @tall wedge

i onyl have that one on ptr

no more duplicate

[hasty saffron]

Im new to rogue and looking for content creators to learn from whos best?

[frail veldt]

theres some streamers to watch

[tender wedge]

Zac (TomElvis) streams, I don’t think anyone is creating specific outlaw content though

[frail veldt]

but not really any video creators for outlaw

I think sub usually has some guide videos uploaded every couple seasons

[tender wedge]

You’ll need outlaw to become gigameta for a season to pull some of the assass guys onto it

[covert heart]

Yea zac is like the only guy I seen who has videos constantly about it

[hasty saffron]

thanks

[covert heart]

More than I saw for survival but that isnt saying much 🤣

[pastel sierra]

The problem is even someone tells you how to play outlaw

You still gotta spend a while for muscle memory

So u can stay on the <1s gcd

[tender wedge]

It’s the least popular spec of one of the least popular classes, and it’s very rarely meta in raid or keys

[pastel sierra]

Its also a constant execution check

And age check

And RSI check

[tall wedge]

Yeah I'm really not sure at this point, looking at your log and the step by step on the code it should not behave that way unless there's a really weird alignment of proc delays overlapping cast events. I've been going at a target dummy on ptr for like 30 minutes and I can't reproduce the situation.

In ways that the cast events don't align with what you visually see in the clip

[hasty fable]

Combat/Outlaw since beta - I'm very old now. But the muscle memory is that of a concert pianist with the spec 😄

[pastel sierra]

Imagine trying to learn it at 40 tho

[mighty pivot]

@vivid vessel

[haughty wigeon]

@vivid vessel

[mighty pivot]

Developer’s notes: Player damage is currently higher than expected.

[frank finch]

[fossil lintel]

Cool, so you're going to buff the underperforming specs by 10% as well to compensate, right?
Right?

[tight egret]

[haughty wigeon]

He doesn’t know

[haughty wigeon]

[frank finch]

surely the last line means multiple balance patchs b4 live

[daring oxide]

Don’t lose faith!

🙏

[mighty pivot]

5% ST -5% BF

[fossil lintel]

We need 20% ST to reach the top specs from what was sent, so +20%st -20% BF seems fair

25% base BF seems good enough

[mighty pivot]

fuck it 40% ST -40% BF

[fossil lintel]

Sounds like a sane and balanced proposal

[tender wedge]

This is a nerf to dev evoker tbh

[mighty pivot]

they could also change it to randomly cleave between 25 and 65 percent baseline

[tender wedge]

I welcome it

Fuck their 20% aoe buff

Out of nowhere

[covert heart]

Huge outlaw buffs coming

Just wait till 12.0 you will see

[wintry solar]

600% of bf goes to a random target you're in combat with

Instead of 8 targets

[mighty pivot]

damn you really are the rogue dev

[wintry solar]

Tried telling yall

[mighty pivot]

shit takes - shit changes. it all makes sense

[wintry solar]

Whoa whoa whoa

My takes aren't shit

That's like Zac saying I hate kir

And rtb

It is simply untrue

[covert kestrel]

youre right it isnt true... you DESPISE kir

[wintry solar]

That's not true!

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[covert heart]

So when mobs get health increases like this, its like neutral to us because we just do static damage. While in a sense other specs get nerfed right?

[covert kestrel]

wat

[mighty pivot]

[hallow crow]

hi

someone have macro to Ghostly Strike with some skills?

[covert kestrel]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[covert heart]

Or a flat damage profile i should say

[cinder relic]

It dont matter

[mighty pivot]

if you are asking how to macro it, just add /cast Ghostly Strike before whatever ability you are macroing it with

[covert heart]

I figured i just know it can hurt some cd specs since now stuff technically lives longer outside their cds

[hallow crow]

more like that ty

[covert kestrel]

either stuff lives longer and it falls out their cds or lives longer so allows for cds to come back up

damage is damage

[wintry solar]

Be aware that if you drop adr for any reason, it's such an energy sink

[frank finch]

wtf is this

this real?

[pastel sierra]

If thats real its good

Fuck trying to farm a good delve trinket

[whole thistle]

Are any of the delve trinkets good for us ??

[pastel sierra]

Doesnt matter

[frank finch]

champion tho

[pastel sierra]

Good change

[mighty pivot]

piratebro

[mighty pivot]

good change though

it's only champion anyway

[dim parrot]

That is a good change actually

[random stirrup]

Pretty sick if it’s warbound

[dim parrot]

Now ks

[random stirrup]

I assume it is because the delver journey is

[pastel sierra]

I would like a sorce for hero track trinkets but that would invalidate vault

[mighty pivot]

m+ is the hero track trinket source

[pastel sierra]

Undercoins are warbound right? So you seem to just have to clear a tier 9 delve on that char

[pastel sierra]

Yeah but if i want the buttblaster 4500 trinket that only drops in delve

Like the pirate earlier in the season

[frank finch]

yea its nice but

[mighty pivot]

then just skillfully roll it on vault

[frank finch]

why the fuck does it have to rotate

[pastel sierra]

Do more delves

Check the vendor every day

Pleasw

We need to show our shareholders that the money invested in delves wasnt wasted

[frank finch]

was corruption daily or weekly rotation

[neat mist]

Bro

If it was daily

it really wouldn't have been that big of a deal

[tight kernel]

finally got vex 100

jeez

such rng

[frank finch]

mythic?

[tight kernel]

Yea

[craggy barn]

nice

[frank finch]

[frank finch]

u di something tomelvis himself cant

[neat mist]

[frank finch]

be proud

[neat mist]

Tomelvis washed

Kev is my new Outlaw idol

[frank finch]

fr fr

[round spindle]

Is there any raid testing on PTR?

Or is it just keys?

[mighty pivot]

raid testing is joever

[round spindle]

I suspect Outlaw was mid in raid? I want to play Outlaw next season, but my partner and I might be looking at applying to more competitive raid guilds, and I feel like Outlaw might be a tough sell.

[full dawn]

just parse 99s and it won't matter you're outlaw

[round spindle]

Thank you, I'll do that.

[full dawn]

you're welcome buddy

somebody with actual knowledge can give you a real answer lol

[dim parrot]

Rogue is under-represented so maybe you apply to a guild that is low on rogues

[vagrant saddle]

why stop at 99%?

[full dawn]

nobody beats new tomelvis

kev

[wintry solar]

Terminator does

[sudden fulcrum]

which build should i use if i am trying to learn outlaw?

[mighty pivot]

popo parses 101 at hating KIR and RTB

[wintry solar]

Ninja

I hope every carbonated drink you consume is flat

[mighty pivot]

I don't like carbonated drinks

[covert heart]

In a guild full of blue parsers you just gotta 99 percent to compete

[mighty pivot]

in raids or keys?

[sudden fulcrum]

keys

[mighty pivot]

HO with no GS is very digestible

[sudden fulcrum]

trickster or fb?

[mighty pivot]

always trickster in keys

[sudden fulcrum]

thanks

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

Biggest outlaw hater is also biggest outlaw fan. Make it make sense

[wintry solar]

Cap

Been there kitty cat

[fiery bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/sloth-cute-smiling-happy-cute-animals-gif-17371126

[vagrant saddle]

does the fatebound 4set proc once per fight? then u cant proc it again?

[frank finch]

u can but instead will do dmg

[vagrant saddle]

I mean once u get lucky coin do u still proc the set or is it a once per fight thing the cd reduction?

ok nvm I get it now...

[frank finch]

if you talking bout s3 fb tier you can proc the cdr over and over

[lime lake]

you dont reproc it, it simply reduces the cd as long as you have lucky coin

and since lucky coin doesnt drop off mid combat its just up the whole fight

[tender wedge]

I plan to simply proc it until my cd is zero 😎

[wintry solar]

I wish

Actually I dont

Monkey paw was about to work overtime

[fathom bramble]

0 cd AR fixing uhuh issues 🤔

[wintry solar]

Infinite apm though

[fathom bramble]

what could possibly go wrong

[wintry solar]

Ion plays it

[vapid sundial]

Me when people ask for mastery rework / buff or a cd for outlaw.

[tender wedge]

After what happened with KS I think we know the monkey paw is watching outlaw chat especially closely

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[peak dock]

Is there any special effect weapon for outlaw next season?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nope

[peak dock]

😦

[wintry solar]

I'd rather the devil I know than the devil I don't know

[grim spear]

The reality is that if you don't make any changes, players will complain.

Most of the complaints in this channel are about feeling ignored

since we're probably the class that has received the fewest changes since the tww ptr

imo "new stuff" is part of the game content service, and class changes are "new stuff" too.

and neglect is kind of arrogance, so it's totally understandable that players here are pissed off.

[wintry solar]

I like changes as much as the next guy. And I may go farther than that. But sometimes it is a double edged sword with what their new stuff is.

Like the new ks

[grim spear]

doing something is always better than doing nothing.

[wintry solar]

Which is whatever to me personally but to deny its flaws with KS

Yeah

[fathom bramble]

the only other spec that had the same type of problem with their mastery got it fixed expansions ago

so it does feel pretty bad to still be sitting on it

[wintry solar]

On top of bad hero trees

[fathom bramble]

a mastery that hooks into nothing and doeesn't scale with borrowed power or new feeatures

[wintry solar]

Kinda makes me sad

[fathom bramble]

time and time again

Your single target melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again with your off-hand for x% of the original damage dealt. All other ability damage is increased by y%.

please

[wintry solar]

I love outlaw don't get me wrong

But

Eh nevermind

I love it but it could be better

[grim spear]

yep

[wintry solar]

I was gonna go on a whole rant but no one really cares

It'll get changes eventually

[fathom bramble]

probably a rant evereyone has read before anyway lets be honest

[wintry solar]

I'm playing outlaw regardless

I was going to say I want something new with outlaw but that conversation always goes sideways and I don't have the energy for that

[fathom bramble]

everything in heere is a loop until something changes

[wintry solar]

I mean something fun besides crackshot. It's like riding the same roller-coaster.

We could be like unholy though. Having a bunch of changes and the gameplay not changing lol

[fathom bramble]

I would like for them to replace all of our boring and unused talents

don't necessarily have to do anything to crackshot, just give us more realistic options that actually do someething

[wintry solar]

Really, I just want GSW gone and uhuh changed a bit

[quaint mauve]

hi popo

[wintry solar]

Hello

[quaint mauve]

more like poopoo

LOL

[wintry solar]

Okay

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-3419433611137969436

[errant rover]

give back acrobatic

[covert heart]

Yea i was thinking about playing survival for the season or something else but this spec keeps dragging me back way more fun than the others

[wintry solar]

Do this and I'll be pretty happy

Also somehow make HO/SC a thing again

Forgot about acro

[fathom bramble]

buff HO % to like 120

that should fix it

[wintry solar]

I prefer kir over ho

But when the perma reroll came to existence

I swapped

[covert heart]

I def prefer kir

It feels smoother to me for whatever reason

[wintry solar]

Yeah next season I'll be a kir fan again

Or kir main again

[covert heart]

I tested out the 2fth build in ptr and I def played way better than just 1

I know the other build is better with gs but I dont think I play it optimally

[wintry solar]

I think we're having semi-decent changes going into midnight

Because adr uptime is almost 100% and I don't think they intended us to have 1fth be the best

But I'm just speculating

I doubt we go 2 expansions in a row with TWW treatment

[gaunt phoenix]

would like to be surprised, but at the pace they want to release the next 2 xpacs, who knows

[covert heart]

In my personal opinion it just feel like it needs a slight tweek nothing 2 crazy. Like I said before kind of like what they did to arcane

[wintry solar]

Naw not a lot at all

But idk how people are on the new = fun scale

So I'd like a lot but it doesn't need a lot

I'm just being greedy

[vague cape]

I think this just depends on what someone finds fun / imagination

Eg people don’t know if somethings fun unless they’ve generally tried it

Eg killing machine spells consuming up to 2 stacks makes frost dk feel a lot smoother on ptr

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[finite apex]

is it even possible to play this spec without losing out on gcds?

im on 20 ms and it feels laggy as fuck if i try to minmax gcds

and thats without lust

[vague cape]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-cat-pretty-girl-cat-dance-cat-girl-cat-wig-gif-11261174696631285231

[vague cape]

How long you played the spec

[finite apex]

a while

im good w the rotation but recently learned about the whole spellque thing people use

and its kinda aids on this spec

[vague cape]

I’d say after a good while you begin having the gcd timer down to muscle memory

[finite apex]

yeah but even if you lose like say 50ms per global

[vague cape]

And if AR is ever down you’ll feel like you’re playing a PlayStation 1 game

[finite apex]

which is air

itll amount to many gcds in the long run

and theres like 10000 globals a minute on this thing

[vivid vessel]

Our GCD doesn't really scale with haste

[vague cape]

I think losing a tiny amount of time in a global is inconsequential

[vivid vessel]

It's locked to .8s

[finite apex]

alr thats good atleast

[gaunt phoenix]

in theory the spell queue system prevents you from missing globals

[finite apex]

50 ms per global after 100 globals adds up

[vague cape]

Considering shit like downtime and any one of our globals isn’t super strong, this isn’t sub where you can’t fit sectec in cds

[vague cape]

You won’t be losing it on EVERY global

With all due respect if every single global is slow consistently you can’t play the spec

[hasty warren]

do pll realy use it ? It seems more complicated than useful

[finite apex]

im not saying im slow every global

im confident in my mechanics

but its a mental block

[vague cape]

Yes we do, you just mash ur next button while the gcd is incurred

[gaunt phoenix]

Everyone uses spell queue

[vague cape]

Feels better on some spells than others

[tight kernel]

Almost did it. Couldnt lock in hard enough for that rank 1, I think after the new parses lock in itll put me at r3?

gg tier

[hasty warren]

I migh be using it without knowing it so xd

[finite apex]

how much tho

300?

[gaunt phoenix]

it depends on your button pressing habits

for me the default 400 has never been a problem

but if you are accidentally double casting then can try lowering it

but some people set it to like 50 which is so low it might as well be 0 and it's not doing anything

[hasty warren]

50ms lol

[gaunt phoenix]

At that point you are adding a few ms to your globals

But for some people any spell queue feels weird or laggy for some reason

and perhaps would accept a small delay over any spell queue at all

It's basically an unsolved mystery of wow on why spell queue is weird for some people

and perfectly normal for others

[hasty warren]

I've a question for m+, is it better to use focus target for kicks ? and if y how do you define ur focus ? macro ?

[vague cape]

lowkey i think a big issue regarding spellque is found in specs with very variable haste

but since our gcd is 0.8 or 1 we can be used to it

[vague cape]

best way to check is open a log of your fight and compare spells used vs time spent to see if you're actually missing globals

timeline view can make it easy to see if ur globals are delayed at all

so here between these 2 btes I had 0.807 so a tiny gap

[vivid vessel]

Check In wowa

You see it directly on the timeline

Visuali

Even easier

[finite apex]

yeah i know of all that but like

im on 20 ms

and it actually lags my actionbars out

maybe im not fully used to spellque and its placebo

[vivid vessel]

You have 20 ms spelled queue?

[finite apex]

no

20 ms as in server delay

[vague cape]

20 ms naturally should be fine

i played wow on 200 for like 2 years

i think it starts becoming noticable at like 100-120 and above

[vivid vessel]

Idk I play ptr with 150 Ms fine honestly

[vague cape]

hm

seems im always losing 0.001-5s between some globals

[vivid vessel]

You notice it a bit

But I don't think I lose damage really

[vivid vessel]

Ok that's

Not a number cuh

[vague cape]

ye

[vivid vessel]

You are fine

[vague cape]

never actually checked this before for outlaw ngl

tbh this probably matters most for this spec than any other

[torpid fiber]

I'm pretty sure its just a logging quirk isn't it

[vague cape]

ye, then again we lose out more from missing globals at any point of a fight than other specs

only like people clowning cds will lose more dps than us

[random stirrup]

Wcl isn’t 100% accurate

sometimes it has time between gcds very slightly below the minimum as well

[balmy topaz]

There is log variance as well

Like logs have slight delay

@vivid vessel

Thank god

This shit hurt

[vague cape]

yooo you heard about the brick throw proc rate increase?

[torpid fiber]

can't believe they made fish stick no longer a totem smh

[vivid vessel]

ok but no cast time

[balmy topaz]

Should still get a noise notification

To feint

[torpid fiber]

means it's now a healer mechanic

[vivid vessel]

but you wont know ytou are targeted

its shit

[balmy topaz]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

ytou just go 2 key higher now and you get one shoted randomly

well 45% is prolly enojugh hopefully

idk

But they do these things a lot now