outlaw

[frail veldt]

It's not very relevant

[mighty pivot]

what was the command

[frail veldt]

It's like 0.01

[mighty pivot]

I don't remember

[frail veldt]

It gone

[blissful zinc]

Is supercharger spell aswell

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix did they fix this bug:

:fatebound_doublejeopardy: Double Jeopardy will not trigger if you break stealth with :adr: Adrenaline Rush.

[frail veldt]

Supercharger is a talent in the class tree that procs when you press rtb

[blissful zinc]

Im sorry i came back from 3.3.5 after 10 years

[daring oxide]

grandad

[blissful zinc]

Whats rtb

[daring oxide]

bruh

[neat mist]

[daring oxide]

[mighty pivot]

I would start by reading the talents and spells in your spellbook in that case

[blissful zinc]

Oh

[daring oxide]

ye

if u asking what rtb is

time to hit the FAQ first

[blissful zinc]

Roll the bones

[daring oxide]

gotta use that comprehension skill, read up

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[daring oxide]

read through the FAQ

[blissful zinc]

Im just not used to the shortcuts

I did read but its not helping me

[daring oxide]

i see

[blissful zinc]

Nevermind

I readed only the playstyle overview

Now i realise how dumb i am

[mighty pivot]

yeah there many sections, at the end of each section there is usually a link to the next one

[blissful zinc]

Whats the name of this specifik weakaura

[dim parrot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[blissful zinc]

That shows the dispatch proc from bte

[dim parrot]

Zac’s group

Or you mean trufigcd addon

[blissful zinc]

I did import all of them but its not showing

Might be an addon not sure

[mighty pivot]

you don't need that shown tbh, it's just an automatic part of BTEs during crackshot

[blissful zinc]

I just want to keep track of it

To help me understand better

[dim parrot]

Trufigcd addon

[blissful zinc]

Thank you

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp

[blissful zinc]

Thank you

[quaint mauve]

i’m stealing zac UI

i’m tired of redoing mine

after it broke

[frank finch]

im waiting for zac to make his all squares

then i use

[hasty warren]

btw my game crash when I want to import Zac's SUF profile xd

[vivid vessel]

skill i ssue

i think

[mighty pivot]

and I want hexagons

[lime lake]

trapezohedron weak auras when

[blissful zinc]

During stealth if not at good combo use sinister or pistol as builder instead ambush for kir correct?

If ghostly and ar are unavailable

[willow portal]

Whats changed in the luxthos edit wa?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, or blade flurry in aoe

blade flurry has priority, and then you SS or PS based on your current combo points, broadside being active, or unseen blades being ready

[icy hare]

Bad era for rogues

[lime lake]

At least we get to hold hands

[vivid vessel]

its fine bro sims means nothing

[frank finch]

[icy hare]

[vivid vessel]

i mean sub will be fine

cant say the same about the sword spec tho

[gaunt phoenix]

some specs are prolly oversimming but think there are some broad conclusions that can be drawn

[vivid vessel]

like elem simming 5mil and getting a 20% buff?

and sp simming 5mil and getting a 10% buff ?

ye

i draw my conclusions

[dawn talon]

it's fine... you have to bring a rogue for atro...

[gaunt phoenix]

why is enhance rng stretching to the moon

[lime lake]

Gamba

[vivid vessel]

idk they do that everyseason

thjey have like a rng build or whatever idk

[lime lake]

I think they intentionally find the most gamba spec possible

Lmao

[cinder relic]

Truth nuke

[hasty warren]

surely

[vivid vessel]

you are a bit delulu tho guy

but i like you

[hasty warren]

is it raid or m+ ?

[vivid vessel]

always positive

we need more of you

[tender wedge]

Have we already forgotten last tier when every second query in the assass channel was “why is assass at the top of logs chart but bottom of sims are sims wrong?”

[vivid vessel]

ye

you dont know about outlaw tho do you

[cinder relic]

Literally

Truth nuke sims are fake

[vivid vessel]

outlaw litteraly always top 1 sim and doing normal damage

what happens when its bottom simming

[vivid vessel]

who knows

or well

[tender wedge]

Yeah outlaw is just reverse assass lol

[vivid vessel]

I know

you guys dont

[leaden sonnet]

Tbf assa did do low damage on sprocket

[hasty warren]

I always sim way higher than my friends

[fair oak]

Put the dispatch in the bag mon ami

[vivid vessel]

sub will just do good on last 2 fights cause damage amp

big big

[leaden sonnet]

Ye but petko put sub as the worst dps in the game so we need buffs zac

[tender wedge]

lol I saw that vid

[vivid vessel]

petko does m+ vids tbf

but i mean

[fair oak]

Why would you listen to the words of a bald hamster looking fuck

[fluid iron]

buff sub, worst spec in the game frfr

[vivid vessel]

i think all 3 rogue specs could do with buffs lol

[fair oak]

Sorry I got emotional

[leaden sonnet]

Well probably get some

[pliant wind]

wowers

[red zinc]

i think petko could use a trip into orbit

[leaden sonnet]

Like a +3% or so across the board

[vivid vessel]

still cant believe elem got a 20% buff while simming higher than all 3 rogue specs

[leaden sonnet]

[slate forge]

Class isn’t yellow

[leaden sonnet]

But idk, some sims are sus

[vivid vessel]

well i can tell you outlaw sims arent

i go in m+

i do 0 st

seems like its accurate

[fluid iron]

stop sandbaggin zac

[vivid vessel]

ye my bad cuh

[fluid iron]

i hear outlaw gaps

[vivid vessel]

i will do better

[pliant wind]

we got the meta people

[red zinc]

Idk ele also wasnt good, rogue is just invisible in some cases

[pliant wind]

2 fdk and 1 mage

KEKW

[leaden sonnet]

Im pretty much always spot on with dummy dps with sims too as sub, but obviously actual bosses are a bit different

[red zinc]

really hard to believe balance changes arent just being done by individual class designers instead of some team with a clear vision

[vivid vessel]

thats what i said

[red zinc]

damn i take it back

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not really in tune with every spec's tc but i tend to think druid, dk, warrior, monks are well implemented in simc

the others i just dont interact with enough people to have an opinion

and priest

i trust saeldur

[dim parrot]

It’s easy actually

Fix clunky gameplay and buff us

[fluid iron]

yeh just like do it

frfr

[dim parrot]

Honestly tho

[red zinc]

ive heard the opposite from an sp tryhard i play keys with

but his sims are absolutely degenerate so

maybe just a bit of a perfectionist

[dim parrot]

DK community mad about raid buffs so blizz buffs them for a tier so they’re brought to RWF to shut them up

[vivid vessel]

dk raid buff is so funny

cause in m+

its the most op shit

[dim parrot]

Then they tune them down next xpac

[vivid vessel]

to have a dk

grip is so overpowered in keys

[dim parrot]

and group defensive

[vivid vessel]

doing a key with a dk and not a dk is night and day

[dim parrot]

Make atrophic do something

[vivid vessel]

halls without a dk

[leaden sonnet]

At some point its not worth changing a line to be twice as long and massively more complicated for exactly a 4 targets 2:30 minute specific fight and a 0.3% gain

Just as an example

but where that line is drawn depends on the theorycrafters

[gaunt phoenix]

some specs have a challenging apl to solve, but can trust the core implementation of spells to not be fried

[tender wedge]

Interesting morning in rogue disc, outlaw talking about sims and apls meanwhile assass talking about what ants taste like

[vivid vessel]

assa players are well known ant eaters

[lime lake]

Smell like*

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps they are good if something evolved to eat them specifically

[lime lake]

At least shit talk properly

Could've brought up the ant piss too

[red zinc]

aint those creatures freaky asf

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/anteater-sniffing-bumi-nose-gif-6301658268298609478

[red zinc]

Eating ants = goonmaxxing?

Brb

[dim parrot]

Zac I’m trying to kill time at work I need u to stream

[cinder relic]

Ill say what I've been saying. Use sims to compare gear and fix apl

Not to compare specs

[lime lake]

But how will I know what to reroll to on ptr

[gaunt phoenix]

all i see is enhance can gamba its way to 10 million st

[cinder relic]

Reroll fdk and mm/bm

Those are the op specs

Dev too

[lime lake]

But where sims

[vivid vessel]

its 1 am

[lime lake]

I must have proof

[vivid vessel]

i hvae work tomorrow

[red zinc]

reroll surv so you can act righteous and then sneakily fotm

[dawn talon]

you can also lowroll to 3.6m

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[dawn talon]

that sounds like great gameplay

[lime lake]

Based actually

[daring oxide]

guys chill

outlaw gonna giga pump and be bis spec

[pliant wind]

[covert kestrel]

Too late I sent those sims to my guild to already account for my dps for the rest of the tier so they give me pity gear

[lime lake]

"no point giving this guy gear he doesnt gain anything from it anyway"

[wintry solar]

Pity gear for a bad spec?

[covert kestrel]

I never claimed they were smart guildies

[rapid grail]

How are you my lovely outlaw players

Are we gonnaa get a buff soon or its over since we got a buff on ST damage before?

For aoe m+ i mean

[neat mist]

🔮

Let me gaze upon mine crystal ball

[rapid grail]

😂😂😂

[minor trellis]

i see this could work - is ther a string i would need to input into the advanced sim to get this to work?

[bright crane]

My dad works at blizzard and he said cause Zac is really naughty outlaw won’t get any buffs

Sry

[neat mist]

It's not 'cause he's really naughty

It's 'cause he's really French

They hate those over at Blizzard

[jovial dome]

Nah, John Blizzard himself is my uncle and we've been talking about a 4% aura buff for next patch

[bright crane]

John B. Lizzard

[jovial dome]

He told me Outlaw gets a 4% buff this season and deleted completely next!

Gotta make room for a new support class

[bright crane]

Outlaw is OUT

Inlaw is IN

[torpid fiber]

honestly if they don't change the rotation at all I wouldn't care if they made outlaw a support spec

[jovial dome]

Do you realize the words you just whispered? The spirits you're about to invoke?!

[torpid fiber]

look I just have adhd

Damage meters are nice but I also like being supportive

If aug was aimed at people with adhd instead of people without adhd I might try it

[jovial dome]

Roll the bones becomes buffs you can give away

[torpid fiber]

ok that would be ass actuslly

wait actually maybe ur cooking

like ast cards from ff

I see the vision

[tender wedge]

You roll the bones to get buffs, then drop the dice to distribute buffs randomly to party/raid members that goes crazy

Rng on rng in rng

[torpid fiber]

nah I think random distribution would be ass

It has to be targeted

[jovial dome]

Yeah you want to be able to distribute them the way you want to

[torpid fiber]

like I'm not trying to design a 0 skill cap spec here I'm shitposting about something that could be cool

[jovial dome]

But the actual buffs you get would still be Outlaw gambo

[tender wedge]

Yeah like oh you got the energy buff but you’re a rage user? Rip lol that’s rng babyyy

[torpid fiber]

nah you'd probably design them as specific buffs

[jovial dome]

You'd just have to have a "resource" roll

[torpid fiber]

It'd be a lot of work

[tender wedge]

I’m just shit talking man I know I know

[torpid fiber]

Probably it'd want to be boring stat buffs rather than cool stuff

But you'd have to keep the RtB self-buffs imo

[wintry solar]

We don't joke or post sarcasm

It's all serious 100% of the time

Just a constant :|

[tender wedge]

Man I’m gonna have to leave the channel 😦

[bright crane]

does m+ open next week?

on reset

[nova sinew]

Next m+ season begins on the week of Aug 12

[bright crane]

does raid open on reset?

[wintry solar]

Plenty of time for Killing Floor 3

[nova sinew]

Also week of Aug 12

[bright crane]

mother of god

so truly a dead week

[nova sinew]

Patch is week of Aug 5

[bright crane]

oh wtf

i thought next week was aug

im buggin

[gaunt phoenix]

here is 1 target, 3 minute, KIR 1 FTH https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sseR1ZyrvnnpcL66rya4VS

this is what your damage looks like if rtb only ever produced certain 1-2 buffs. so it's hard to say what the actual contribution of each buff is, but you can perhaps infer that BS + TB is the strongest 2 buff in this scenario etc.

[nova sinew]

Week of Aug 5 is only m0, Tazavesh non hard mode, and bountiful +8 delves

[gaunt phoenix]

Also edited the rotation to just slam kir on cooldown

[neat mist]

Week of Aug 5 is 45% Blade Flurry week

Yippee

[next wedge]

is it still looking like weight/sharp stones for consumes next tier?

i just wanna know what to stock up on

[gaunt phoenix]

not a clue

[sudden fulcrum]

No new consumes besides health potions AFAIK

[long barn]

Does grinder keys work on last boss for Rook

Or does it miss

[tender wedge]

It misses

I think the wax whistle hits though

[minor trellis]

great thanks! this is in line with what i was looking for. If I adjusted "desired_targets=x", and changed some talents would the comparison still hold?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

you can delete this entirely even, it is generated by raidbots

based on your settings

[minor trellis]

big W this is awesome

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i may have ran that with ptr enabled

i was actually wondering why true bearing was ahead of broadside

[minor trellis]

yeah i noticed

what does that account for? new tierset?

ptr=1

[gaunt phoenix]

New killing spree

[minor trellis]

oo i see

[gaunt phoenix]

which i guess might not matter here

[agile quiver]

is next season tier set not implemented yet in Mimiron? or is it just weak compared to this season's?
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nySYcb62a8XGaoctvGWz47

[gaunt phoenix]

The default apl doesnt work with it

[agile quiver]

cause of double coup?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

this HO build also blows ass when you lose tier

this other talent build you are simming appears to remove Ace

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sLsSegdosyyQAFUhCfRawN

here, it says KIR, but it's really HO

old tier not a thing

[agile quiver]

yeah, I messed up and swapped out the wrong talents

[ivory moth]

Hey guys, what should my haste be as Outlaw for Mythic Plus? I've heard hard stop at 20 percent, I've also heard 20-22 percent. I looked around Wowhead and here and couldn't find anything specifically mentioning what it should be. Thanks!

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[rapid musk]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder haven]

I mixed up the options a bit. rtb_fixed_odds is for changing the probability of 1, 2 and 5 buffs. rtb_fixed was the one I was thinking of.

An example would be something like
copy=bs
rtb_fixed=1
copy=rp
rtb_fixed=2
etc..
But I don’t remember what number corresponds to what buff

Ah found an old example

#1065730004920586350 message

[maiden merlin]

Just clarifying for my sanity, if I'm playing KiR, Killing spree will have higher priority than dispatch basically always, but crackshot windows have priority over it if available?

I just read it back scratch that, this explains a ton of why I feel like I'm doing something wrong

Reading the faq explains the spec whodathunkit 😔

[toxic laurel]

Anyone knows if the new Killing Spree is able to be cancelled mid channel or is it hard commit ?

[tender wedge]

Can cancel

[toxic laurel]

Bless the mother earth thank you

[lime lake]

np

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[hasty warren]

actually u have to cancel it in the rotation

[olive marten]

you dont "have" to, i believe its just a pretty slight gain. But ye, optimally, youre right.

[hybrid crown]

Someone said you just cancel it by hitting your next finisher when you have max cp

Sounds like it might depend on what build you run idk

[crisp violet]

Hey alllllllll new here and need advice bad i wanna outlaw rogue for s3 but im not overly convinced on them yet as i keep seeing bad reviews but good at same time! i need helps

[hasty warren]

for opti y

[willow portal]

Wdym bad reviews. Its a spec. If playstyle is fun for you the play it.

[hasty warren]

Firstly I'd say that u must play what u want and what is the most fun for u

if u like outlaw, then play it

meta is not totally shaped (even if we can guess what will be the best)

we can hope for similar position than s2 (if i'm not wrong)

some says it's a little worst tho

[crisp violet]

Yet to see for raid but yeah outlaw seems good for m+ but yeah. All good thankyou been on and off with rogues finally get to main it again! Havent since s1 DF

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix this is kinda doomed

[hasty warren]

compared to fb ?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[hasty warren]

hmmm

I don't like fb

[vivid vessel]

its our st in keys basically

which is so behind

[hasty warren]

it's because of GS ?

[balmy topaz]

Our ST is ass

[vivid vessel]

1 fth and trickster

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

this one is live

trickster is basically = fatebound

you dont want to have your m+ build be so far from raid build let me tel you that

no good for tunning

nono

[blissful zinc]

Does that mean rogue is weak in s3

[vivid vessel]

who knows

[blissful zinc]

Man who cares, only thing that matters is fun af to play.

[lofty sand]

not for zac

xd

it needs to be competitive

[toxic laurel]

being able to play is fun so if gameplay is fun but no invites thats big sadge

[lofty sand]

well rogue needs to be really good for people to actively think "yeah i want a rogue in my group"

[wintry solar]

That's why you exclusively run your own key

[lofty sand]

yeah

[wintry solar]

Don't even look at "browse groups"

[keen belfry]

If you look at browse groups as outlaw you will just explode on sight

[wintry solar]

This isn't qol advice

I'm trying to save your life

I guess that is qol

[pliant wind]

this is what made me swap my rogue :( im competitive and i want to go into high keys, i needed like 2-3 hours looking for pugs to 18s

i couldnt play, so whats the point of fun gameplay if i cant play

half my problem because i want to go into high keys

ik

i couldnt get a good premade after 15s

[hasty warren]

getting invite in groups is not even fun after 14s

[pliant wind]

its respectable

but i have fun the more difficult it gets

and the more higher i get into rio

[hasty warren]

y same

[vital wave]

how is outlaw FB vs Sub in ST raid ?

[hasty warren]

but just I hate waiting 45min for trash groups

[pliant wind]

yeah thats just random

i think 13-16 sucks a lot

the more u go higher the more probablity u play with much better players

[hasty warren]

16 is my higher this season with my team (I'm healer)

pushing in pugs is so painfull

[pliant wind]

Yeah, it is

[fervent scroll]

S3 fatebound plays killing spree too or its only a trickster thing? Im looking to pick up outlaw again but I want the most simple build for start

[thorny reef]

i hope s3 fatebound plays ks but prob wont

[vivid vessel]

it does

Bro they buffed ks by an infinite amount to make sure we play it

[thorny reef]

good

about time its in a good state to use

[vital wave]

they also made it playable, like it was unusable on Sprocket mythic lol

[vivid vessel]

he doesnt know

[thorny reef]

guess i dont

[lone nebula]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[wintry solar]

Good enough*

It came with a list of issues

[thorny reef]

as does alot of things with outlaw so many bugs that were never addressed

[vivid vessel]

Not so much bugs this time

Let's just aay

Say

If this new ks

Was introduced as a new spell

It would be 9/11

It's only acceptable cause it replace the worse spell in the game

But you replace the worse spell in the game by the second worse spell in the game basically

• they messed up the entirety of trickster do rework their spell

And their spell works against trickster

While being trickster main driver

Makes you think

[pliant wind]

when KS was a ST damage spell in pulls and now just a padding one

KEKW

[thorny reef]

is it because of the cooldown change or just the change itself to the spell

[vivid vessel]

both

cooldown is the main thing

but it gives cps now

which is good imo

issue is, trickster wnats you to build directly after ks to consume the ub procs, but you are full cps now

[thorny reef]

ya true i see what you mean

[modern terrace]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fading vine]

Why sometimes when I use AR it stops, for example, at 6 seconds and then the timer stops and doesn't go down? The same thing happens with blade flurry?

[vivid vessel]

!uuh

[ornate heath]

Underhanded Upper Hand

• Stealth/Subterfuge/Dance maintains ADR buff
• ADR buff maintains Blade Flurry buff
  If you are seeing very long buff timer (20 min type of stuffs), that's because Blizzard does not actually "freeze" buffs but instead slow them down a lot.

[fading vine]

Aaw ok thanks zac

[vapid blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1399298054548623421/image.png?ex=68887d5d&is=68872bdd&hm=384efa10a8e20d3977d2b5e543f22b88611a04e4df0063480e2e04bb92c14cb3&

wtf

[fading vine]

Sometimes I don't understand this spec, it's difficult for me 😖 there are moments where I do almost my sim dmg on st and sometimes I do 200k less

[vapid blaze]

how big of a loss does fb have with more targets

[dense forge]

BLASTING

[fading vine]

Ye op class

[novel socket]

assa battling the prot warrior

[vital wave]

outlaw better than sub ??

[novel socket]

thats nothing new

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah that's omega cringe and any qa or dev testing the spec should see that coup + ks is awkward as fuck, even on live without the cp generation

[thorny reef]

for a class that only has dps specs we sure are low on that meter

[wintry solar]

That rule doesn't apply to rogue

[novel socket]

we are getting fucked again. We had one good tier amirdrasil and thats it

[vivid vessel]

close to 20% prio dmage

[keen belfry]

Link??

[willow portal]

But will always be brought in one of those to raid. Ww feral etc can be so shit that you bring the tank or heal instead

[small plinth]

would you tho

if the class genuinely dogshit

[willow portal]

Wdym would you

[small plinth]

like real dog

[willow portal]

Its been done

[willow portal]

Tanks usually cant be that shit

[small plinth]

i mean rogue

[willow portal]

Ahh

Well

3,6% dr

I think thats pretty good

But i also went rogue cause the guild i am in raided half a tier without one

[spring jewel]

Holy

[dim widget]

Pretty sure has been benched in the past even with atrophic

Some encounters just don't really care about it because the source of big dam in that fight cannot be inflicted with atrophic

So if rog performance too doodoo, slot in Smth else

This is mostly rwf stuff though tbh

[vital wave]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ZJ3yjII166ng2OCDXRk41oojhlBldFs8Qimy8h76wg/edit?gid=1774556142#gid=1774556142

just got this link from shindig stream, for curious

[thorny reef]

how come when you click on the sim it doesnt break it down it just says the number

[small plinth]

open html

report

[vapid blaze]

just fb without the loss of ks?
so youd still play trickster on bosses with adds xD

[tender wedge]

assa was battling the top tank in s2 sims as well and look what happened

[novel socket]

after getting aura buff after rwf

I really expect all rogue specs to get some sort of aura buff

[tender wedge]

it's still the lowest simming dps

but we've all agreed that doesn't mean much right

[vivid vessel]

just checked you lose 20% on 8 target

idk if that acount for ks

jsut fb

good damage profile

[pliant wind]

np guys

11.2.1 outlaw -All damage increased by 5%

POGGERS WTF

intense gameplay

[vapid blaze]

prob if its a ptr sim
atleast i hope

well the good thing is
even if youd lose 50%
0*50% is still 0

[balmy topaz]

Who is this

[final trout]

Can anyone explain this bit of the FAQ pls? I understand why we don't SS with CdG ready and also UB procs ready, but why is it better not to SS if we don't have UB procs?

"If Coup de Grace is ready, and you're at low CP and would otherwise press Sinister Strike, send Coup early at low CP as opposed to using SS."

[balmy topaz]

It's so you don't waste UB procs

[final trout]

But how does pressing SS with no UB procs waste them 🤔

[vivid vessel]

I'm unsure ks is rng targeting in sims

And if it is I'm unsure how realistic it is

Since it's still not 100% rng it's Infront of you kinda

[final trout]

Ah is it that you can't generate more UB procs with CdG is ready? that would make sense

[final trout]

But even in that case your autos would need to proc an UB which you can react to by then not pressing SS. Seems odd to not SS just in case you then get a proc right before you press

[inland acorn]

You can't react to it

Because you can't track it

You don't know if your AA refreshed your UB

[final trout]

Ahh ok thanks both, I think I didn't understand how TC works but now I do.. seems like terrible design 🤷

[vivid vessel]

The whole trickster tree is ful of awkward stuffs like these

Bad design all around yes

[proper veldt]

Am I missing something tho if you remove that line it makes basically no difference no?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/no1JnLRo4C9NP4Z7DASZVH

[balmy topaz]

Naa that's Trickster

[vivid vessel]

This is a s1 sim

S2 sorry

As ho

The low cp coup is mostly for kir

And barely relevant

It will be more relevant in S3 probably tho

[balmy topaz]

Ohh cus of double coup

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[balmy topaz]

Ye ngl majority of the time

[vivid vessel]

Because you will always waste some if you build after first coup

[balmy topaz]

With 1 FTH

It feels like I always do 2cp coup

Unless Bf is off cd

[desert tendon]

Ruby is à waste

[rotund zodiac]

[balmy topaz]

[hollow dragon]

ruby-chan

[dim widget]

What sims are those/give context, ptr ST as of today?

[desert tendon]

just a little reminder guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1360822371954724966/image.png?ex=68884318&is=6886f198&hm=014847eaa668bc117d5507cf54ff251681a2aee295231aca0f94116fdc200368&

[sudden fulcrum]

[inner meadow]

ur a psycho

[cedar kernel]

i felt being summoned

[coral onyx]

Whats a good reason for blade flurry not working for lower level mobs (say something that makes sense to make me hate rouge less)

[sudden fulcrum]

If it one shots them it won’t work or something

[balmy topaz]

Can’t flurry off a dead target

[hybrid crown]

If your primary target dies the damage that killed it won't flurry

If that's a one shot bf does nothing

Bf itself will aoe no problem, like the cast

[coral onyx]

LAAAAAAAAAME

[dense forge]

ye ptr st sims

[balmy topaz]

Where is the actually spreadsheet for that

[desert tendon]

HELO BAC HOW YOU DOING

[cedar kernel]

i am doing POE

i am waiting for new season

but i dont think i could do no.1 outlaw in CN at this time

i am old

[coral onyx]

why is this a thing even

the most assassin type class gets punished for landing the killing blow on a target in aoe combat

[covert kestrel]

it broke when they fixed bf trying to hit dead targets

[hardy vault]

why does this link auto redirect me to something entirely different?

like i see the sims for one sec and then i'm on a different sheet

[balmy topaz]

I wonder who is doing the tier list for wowhead m+

Nice tettles

[dim parrot]

3.6% DR generally worse than a stackable raid defensive CD like another darkness etc. Unless it’s a rot fight

[covert heart]

Ohhh tettles I hope they revert that boomkin buff

[vivid vessel]

It is ?

That's crazy

[balmy topaz]

Wild isn't it

[dim parrot]

Boys

[balmy topaz]

Boomie behind aug

nice

[red zinc]

Especially when it doesnt work half the time

[dim parrot]

How we feeling about seeing outlaw sims bad

[balmy topaz]

SURE BM IS NEAR THE WORST

[dim parrot]

When normally outlaw sims good

and still mid irl

[balmy topaz]

ST Sucks

what can you do

[covert kestrel]

cry

[balmy topaz]

Like to the point

even though my guild isn't going for HoF or anything

I might play sub on last 2 anyway cus

Cus it will be omega depressing on dmg amps

[vivid vessel]

you havent seen the trickster sims

its even worse

[covert kestrel]

and flying

[covert heart]

Gotta play outlaw anyways for the culture

[vivid vessel]

and fatebound isnt real

[balmy topaz]

Fatebound is fake

[vivid vessel]

reminder fatebound instantly lose like 10/20% st with more targets

[dim parrot]

Rogues been cooked since hero tree release they just saved it with some tuning

[vivid vessel]

I'm starting my fatebound smear campaign

[dim parrot]

Finally getting exposed

[vivid vessel]

Will convince solo as well

[covert heart]

You making a poster for it?

[dim parrot]

That game design should not exist

Reverse funnel boys lfg

[balmy topaz]

They need to put crackshot back to 75%

[vivid vessel]

reverse funnel + does 0 aoe

ye

[balmy topaz]

Idk why

[vivid vessel]

good hero talent

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-rings-game-gif-15956241

they need to make the coins splat out of enemies like sonic

[balmy topaz]

Omega rng hero tree

On an already rng spec

Especially rn

[dim parrot]

They need to give us better ways to spread fazed if ks gonna be 3 min

[balmy topaz]

When our variance is wild

Or at least it feels it

With 1fth

Get rid of PC

[dim parrot]

Zac

[balmy topaz]

Plz blizzard

[dim parrot]

What’s more important

Having aoe targets fazed for crack shot or having flawless form stacks

If u can only have one

[inner sky]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[inner sky]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[leaden folio]

where is my greenskin build

bring back some bfa build yo

[carmine geode]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

Come back in about 9 months

You might have something waiting for you.

[leaden folio]

bfa classic or bfa remix

i dont play classic

[covert heart]

Next is gonna be legion remix

[wintry solar]

I meant when midnight details are released

[covert heart]

They make outlaw harder and more rng heavy

[frank finch]

[mighty pivot]

and here I thought you meant after you give birth to your baby

[cinder relic]

[gaunt phoenix]

Our overall is fine in keys

[rotund depot]

[vivid vessel]

Wtf Its jhpc!

[covert kestrel]

now you tell me this after i spent $3k on boosts for my frost dk

[frail veldt]

Depends how many stacks

[frank finch]

[wintry solar]

Maybe it's both

[strong halo]

You dont need to be an engineer for t he brez thing now lmao wow im learning this late

[gentle vector]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[dim parrot]

Random PTR clip of an overall without context is meh

[rotund depot]

probs just pointing out the Jhpc

[buoyant cosmos]

Some bonus for being an engineer would have been nice.

[normal forge]

we need more st dmg

[frank finch]

??lol its a meme post cuz of the name

[dim parrot]

Oh lmao

Woosh

[dapper herald]

is it normal to run out of eneryg as kir? there's so many times where i just sit there without energy from ambush

[balmy topaz]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[balmy topaz]

You should not be using ambush

[dapper herald]

ah then i need to change my stealth bar to strike

[foggy flume]

wtf

[rotund depot]

new kink unlocked

[fluid iron]

@jolly tapir https://pastebin.com/GqfvCM2K
the out of melee wa you asked for

[jolly tapir]

hah thanks mate

[cinder relic]

It goes against the outlaw bad narrative tru

[jovial dome]

Delete it quick before this weeks buffs

[balmy topaz]

Outlaw = bad

[dapper herald]

it's so much better after removing ambush from my stealth bar

tried it now

[balmy topaz]

We like this one this is good

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't, it gives simc a bad rep

I mean you can largely conclude that rogue patchwerk dps is on the lower end

[vivid vessel]

Soloooo

[gaunt phoenix]

but... i dont think demo is 6.5m

[vivid vessel]

I think we need to start educating people on fateboudn soloooo

As in

How much you lose

[gaunt phoenix]

how it immediately loses in 2 target?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Because it sims higher but it's mostly fake

We didn't have this issue in s1

Cause we considered trickster unplayable

Altough maybe we capped a bit in s1 idk

Ks hate was strong

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i'll put it in the new faq

Fatebound is for LITERAL 1 target only

[mighty pivot]

n-new?

[gaunt phoenix]

tho im not sure about nexus king

In the raid

there are adds in the intermission yea?

idk if you go trickster just for that

[balmy topaz]

If it’s one target surely

You just play sub

[vivid vessel]

Isn't that the boss that goes 2 target

In p2

Like he goes on his dragon

Or whatt

[frank finch]

yup

[craggy quiver]

Is it that bad? Wtf how is fate that bad with more than one target

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz delivered doom and fate intertwined are single target oriented talents

I mean trickster still omega amps blade flurry

so when blade flurry damage is introduced

[cinder relic]

Oh yeah that dragon boss goes 2 target a bunch too

I forgor

[craggy quiver]

Like in raid we just run trick as soon as two target?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[frank finch]

it feels like those nodes were supposed to be choice nodes and they never finished it

[dapper herald]

where did you take this from

I don't see s3 graphs on simcraft

[gaunt phoenix]

it's unofficial, i dont even have outlaw up to date on default, it's someone going around class discords and yoinking sim links

[dapper herald]

ahh

was asking because some specs are missing

[craggy barn]

unofficial sims are so funny

[cinder relic]

Melee DPS job the past few tiers has been "be good melee cleave"

a lot of the hard bosses are going to be good for the melee cleave specs

[leaden folio]

you cut the best part

🐾

kyrian send feet before xalatath

[stray star]

Do we have the sims for the trinkets from s3?

[gaunt phoenix]

Sort of

[foggy flume]

Im convinced that todays retail players are all feet lovers & slop consumer

[rotund depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1294179081151189036/lmfao.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

I can tell you there's like 6 good trinkets

The first one is winning single target

The rest are good everywhere

similar to this current tier, they are all close

[balmy topaz]

Solo on the Fuu sheet I saw it had a tank trinket on the sim

[gaunt phoenix]

he did an oopsie, it is now netherprism

[balmy topaz]

Dslice one I believe

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

Ahh yeee

[gaunt phoenix]

Netherprism should be used alongside vanish and after you have 4+ buffs going

[balmy topaz]

I see it’s fixed to trickster rather than fatebound

[balmy topaz]

No matter the stacks?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

it does not seem worth to hold it for a billion stacks

We're not a cd burst spec after all

[balmy topaz]

Ye fair

Also cloak dmg for us now

Is kinda nice ngl

After they buffed it

[gaunt phoenix]

The proc rate boots are omega bugged

[balmy topaz]

150% atm right?

[gaunt phoenix]

so the cloak is massively inflated rn

yea

[balmy topaz]

Ye…

I wonder if that will get sorted

[gaunt phoenix]

probably

or those boots are legit an 8% dps increase

or something

on st

[remote pecan]

maybe it's just 50% more on an exponential scale

[balmy topaz]

We get first prio as well

[remote pecan]

working as intended

[frank finch]

how to make an optional boss worth killing

make the boots 8 % st

[white marten]

Outlaw on TOP

Edit: on TOP of tanks*

[stable furnace]

Lol

[dim widget]

on top of the tanks yes

[upper hazel]

where is the mm 😮

[dim widget]

we gonna gap healers crazy style next season

[stable furnace]

Hell yea outlaw pulling of the support classes. Love it

[neat mist]

Azor probably asking the SimC guys for a Twitch sub to access his sims or summin

MM DR's at like 5.798 mill though so you can plop that in there somewhere

[gaunt phoenix]

Not at all

[remote pecan]

we'll be fine in @gaunt phoenix we trust

[neat mist]

For legal reasons, that was a joke

[gaunt phoenix]

funny the situation that started those jokes was unfounded anyway

Azor catching strays

[upper hazel]

But i Hope we got a buff this week...thats hard to explain my raidlead that i wanna Play a dead Class.

[neat mist]

I don't even specifically know the situation tbh, I'm purely a "shit I saw people say" bandwagon rider in that regard

[dim widget]

wait, the hunter paywalling drama was not true?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[dim widget]

dam

[cinder relic]

The gist of it is that he has a bunch of sims based on progression breakpoints afaik

[dim widget]

well

doesnt change my opinion

delete mm, delete bm

permaban all its players unless they play sv

[gaunt phoenix]

Well

[neat mist]

Permaban all WoW players tbh

for daring to play any and all specs in the game

[gaunt phoenix]

they should know patchwerk dps is gonna apply to like 2 raid bosses

[frail veldt]

Is the warlock apl just bad or wrong?

How can it be so off

[vivid vessel]

so right

on every other boss it will be even worse !

[gaunt phoenix]

well, i dont know enough about it to have a certain opinion

[old gull]

I still think it’s crazy that the new ability rework is a dps loss if you let it fully cast lol

[gaunt phoenix]

and i dont want to disrespect the people that work on warlock

[vivid vessel]

ok

why is that even bad

i dont get it

i think its a failure that the spell is basically everything people complained about ks was, except it doesnt kill you now

[frail veldt]

But just objectively you're saying you think it is oversimming in a perfect environment?

[vivid vessel]

having to cancel it isnt one of the bad part for me tho

on the contrary

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[frail veldt]

Do you have to cancel KS for optimal DPS now

That's really shit

[upper hazel]

You mean a hps loss, 1,6 mio hps on second Boss in mythic. 😂

[vivid vessel]

play it

tell me if it feels better to fully channel it

[old gull]

I’m tryin to be reaper

[vivid vessel]

the gameplay of cancelling it at max cp is at least interesting

or engaging

[random stirrup]

as someone who knows nothing about warlock, when i looked at their apl for the 7.2 sim because I was curious it seemed they had a lot of pretty complex conditions

[vivid vessel]

rather than just afking

during a channel

[gaunt phoenix]

If I had to guess, their apl is probably good, but i've watched their commits a little bit, it seems like there is some difficulty keeping up with the history of warlock interactions and stuff, buffs that are scripted vs handled by spell data, stuff like that

[random stirrup]

stuff like cast this if you have at most 4gcds before something else comes up

seems hard to calculate in real gameplay

[vivid vessel]

like the alternative is that you macro /stopchannel to every ability so you dont cancel the cast and spamm your spells so that your ability goes off as soon as possible

which is arguably way worse if you ask me

[gaunt phoenix]

but for the sake of warlock people reading i'm really just speculating and commend the people attempting to work on it

[vivid vessel]

you are way too nice solo

fuck warlocks

[pliant wind]

but KS automatically cancels if you use another skill, right?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[pliant wind]

ok

[vivid vessel]

but if we didnt have that gameplay of canceling it at max cp

how you would play around it

is have in every macro

[ashen void]

Solo too good for this world

[frail veldt]

anything pet related seems like a nightmare

[vivid vessel]

a "dont cancel channel" macro

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

and you would spam your spells so it go off as soon as possible at the end of the channel

[frail veldt]

or just have a dedicated stopcasting button

I have a global one that I use on all characters

[vivid vessel]

what

how does that work

[gaunt phoenix]

Pet stuff looks like more of a hassle than rogue stuff

[frail veldt]

/stopcasting

wdym

[vivid vessel]

no

im talking about the opposite

[mental beacon]

Any changes to Kir m+ build for ptr?

[random stirrup]

nochannel macros!

[frail veldt]

whats the difference

[vivid vessel]

stop the macro if you are channeling

[frail veldt]

im confused

what is the purpose

[vivid vessel]

ye i can see thast

[leaden sonnet]

Hey some rogue specs have pet issues too

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[vivid vessel]

its a channel

any spell press will cancel the channel

if you dont have that in all your macros you will cancel your channel

[gaunt phoenix]

Loaded dice instead of sleight of hand

that's it really

you still play 1 FTH ideally

[frail veldt]

well just dont press any buttons

idgi

[vivid vessel]

so then you have gaps at the end of your channel

[frail veldt]

its not like as a caster I have that macrod into all my buttons

[frail veldt]

lol

welcome to casters

[vivid vessel]

ye cause casters arent channel

my guy

casts arent channel

stop acting

[frail veldt]

you cant spell queue after a channel

you just time it

[vivid vessel]

no but you spam your spells

after a cast

how am i not clear

in what im explaining rn

mewo

i dont like this

[frail veldt]

Oh I guess on specs like mm and stuff with other channels I havent even noticed the difference

[dim parrot]

6m overall is bad tho lol

[vivid vessel]

my tank does 6m overall on live

[frail veldt]

I see what youres saying that if you want to be able to spam to time it

you need to put channeling inside of every button

[vivid vessel]

yes

which would be the optimal play

with a channel

[frail veldt]

yeah I gotchu

[vivid vessel]

thats what we did for guzzler trinket

that what we would be doing if we would let ks channel fully

thats what you do on a monk

and i think thats shit

i would rahter just cancel early when i see cps up

[frail veldt]

so monks have that macrod into every single button?

[vivid vessel]

at leasts thats reactive

i have a gampleya

[gaunt phoenix]

that's a good point really

[vivid vessel]

ye its even worse for a monk

[frail veldt]

if monk hasnt had this fixed by now

then its not getting fixed

so rip

[vivid vessel]

at least for us it would only be finishers

[frail veldt]

well lets hope we can show in apl that canceling at max cps is a dps gain LOL

[vivid vessel]

for monks if you wanna play the spec properly and not clip

you kinda have that in every spell

[gaunt phoenix]

Simc also does not perfectly time the next button after a channel ends

which might influence why canceling it is better

[vivid vessel]

and imo

its just shit

[frail veldt]

oh weird

[vivid vessel]

the opposite you mean i think

a human will cancel as well as the sim

but a human wont chain after a channel as well as the sim

the sim will have 0 gap

[remote pecan]

would you guys not prefer just pressing a finisher when you're at full cps to move on with rotation than having to play around a channel finishing?

i mean seems less awkward to cancel

[vivid vessel]

human guy will have a gap

[gaunt phoenix]

The sim adds a gap i think

[vivid vessel]

really

[gaunt phoenix]

after channel ends

tho you can change it

[vivid vessel]

well ye thats what im saying lol

[frail veldt]

does it not have a gap if you cancel?

[limpid onyx]

call me crazy but just make it happen full duration without being a channel

[vivid vessel]

you cancel when you wanna cancel tho

[gaunt phoenix]

No it would react to the cps immediately

[vivid vessel]

idk what this means

so we can just cast spells normally during it or what

[gaunt phoenix]

[limpid onyx]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

channel_lag=0

[vivid vessel]

ye im not looking at this sim

[limpid onyx]

so its just a finisher with turbo cp regen

[vivid vessel]

or is it doing it for the finisher aswell solo

[gaunt phoenix]

the base one is supposed to cancel tho

[vivid vessel]

early cancel i mean

[gaunt phoenix]

idgi

[vivid vessel]

so it has a gap even when canceling ?

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

ah

its because

sometimes KS is at 5-6cp

which does not cancel

you know what i mean

[vivid vessel]

cant ever be 5cp

its 7 at least

[frail veldt]

I meant in the sim

like does the sim have an artificial delay for its next button press if you cancel KS

vs letting channel end

[vivid vessel]

you finish at 6 so its 6 cp, so at worse you overcap 0 by getting only 1 ruthsless

when you finish at 7 you overcap one

[remote pecan]

doesnt that just mean it insta casts at the end of the channel rather than cancelling it?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i meant 6cps

[vivid vessel]

ye but that will still get you up to 7 cp

[gaunt phoenix]

if you KS at 6cp, and start at 1cp, i dont think it cancels

it finished exactly at 7

[frail veldt]

so the only time youd ever trigger a cancel is if you 7cp KS?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's my understanding

or if you 6cp KS and start at 2cp

[frail veldt]

so that makes sense why setting channel delay added so much dps

[vivid vessel]

yeye i get that

[frail veldt]

cuz most of the KSes are full channeled

[vivid vessel]

but that only happens

when you finish at 6 and get only 1 ruth

so its nto that often

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

idk

is it

[vivid vessel]

i think its jsut that even thje cancel early muight have a gap

[vivid vessel]

ye idk maybe its not

but between sc

25% chance of ruth getting you 2 cp

and 7cp finishers

i think its not that often ?

i mean you can check how often we finish at 6 vs 7 i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

ill look at the log and see if it instantly cancels at 7cp

[vivid vessel]

avg 6.6

(idk what this tells us)

60% are above 6 cp ?

[stray star]

But is the difference in damage from canceling the ks at the end relevant enough for you to pay attention to it?

[vivid vessel]

bruh idk

useless data

[cinder relic]

Fdk is turbo broken but its a video game play what's fun

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw

[short heath]

do u like sub? He will do more dps

[gaunt phoenix]

damn zac i think you're right

[vivid vessel]

I know

Solo

I say that often but like

How often am I wrong

Litteraly never

Proven by fact checks

[mighty pivot]

how humble

[gaunt phoenix]

The next action is 300ms later

[short heath]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[short heath]

look at these sims

[vivid vessel]

And ok solo

Listen at this right

I think it's easier to cancel at max cp because you don't lose anything if you are slow right

Rather than not

Which then you lose time doing nothing potentially

Even if you spam your button like a degenerate

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[vivid vessel]

Also I get a cp after cancelling I think

Or like

It can do a tick after cancelling

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

Cause sometimes if you stealth mid ks it cancel stealth

[mighty pivot]

what

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[mighty pivot]

oh dear

[vivid vessel]

Well it's irrelevant

Just funny thought