that cleaves
#outlaw
vivid vessel
dim parrot
Assa is big daddy funnel
vivid vessel
but you burst of course
leaden sonnet
Fairly sure assa benefits the most out of any spec in the game, or atleast in the top 3
random stirrup
kind of hard to tell between havoc/arcane/assa
leaden sonnet
Ye kinda depends on the exact context
haughty wigeon
Fucking wizards
worldly shale
Fucking wizards
EVOOO WIZAAAAAARD
vivid vessel
Being able to storm for combo point gen?
ye
if you go deathstalker tho
its like assa
red zinc
yeye
vivid vessel
atlough assa get mroe from cp gen than sub i think still
keen belfry
Any fixes?
vivid vessel
and energy
keen belfry
I’m at de quays rn
radiant void
Patch notes?
vivid vessel
so idk if sub would even be better funnel
red zinc
Wouldnt be shocked if ptr just didnt come back up
vivid vessel
and energy
and agility from the talent for ruptires
ye no way sub get mroe funnel
@leaden sonnet
toughts ?
random stirrup
but mr blizzard man suggested heavily that there would be a patch today
red zinc
Who is that
vivid vessel
deathstalker sub would still be way worse than assa funnel right
random stirrup
u dont even really get more cps in big cds anyway
vivid vessel
Wouldnt be shocked if ptr just didnt come back up
its the weekend
if it doesnt come back up
random stirrup
ds sub is like just the funnel talent
random stirrup
assa def way better
vivid vessel
before the end of na day
hardy vault
isnt deathstalker sub basically unplayably bad?
vivid vessel
when is the end of na day
keen belfry
Anyone here ever been to the Quays in Ireland
vivid vessel
no
red zinc
If theres a patch
hardy vault
it's 4pm in blizz hq rn, idk how long they work on a friday tho
fierce mulch
bf uncap today
red zinc
I think we got a solid 2 rogue lines in us
mighty pivot
me when I lie
random stirrup
its the classic drop patch notes on a friday night at the end of the work day so that the community lets out the rage and calms down before they come back to work monday
red zinc
how considerate of lizzard entertainment
bright lodge
I am depressed. I KSd into coin last 10sec of Bandit fight. I could be proud owner of 99log https://ru.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwvQX81kdyGgWc3Z?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=97
random stirrup
that has to be zorthar right
vivid vessel
ye
random stirrup
imagine this poor employee just mispoke and baited everyone
vivid vessel
i mean
they arent going to let ptr down the whole weekend so
they are going to drop something before the end of their day
red zinc
mighty pivot
they did bait everyone a few weeks ago and didn't release anything for like 2 days after their announced date
red zinc
i gotta golf tomorrow morning man i cant be staying up for this
covert heart
Looks like they are working the weekend babeee
mighty pivot
the crunch is real
leaden sonnet
atlough assa get mroe from cp gen than sub i think still
Well sub gets full cp anyway with blades right, but assa is also playing deathstalker so any aoe you do funnels back into the mark by singular right
Assa gets like 2x their ST (ok more like 75-80% more) with 8 targets
Sub is like 5% more
vivid vessel
i meant if sub would play deathstlekr
tender wedge
big if lol
leaden sonnet
Well you dont
vivid vessel
i know
I meant in a theorycal world
where ds was playable
sin would prolly still have better funnel
cause you gain more cps
leaden sonnet
Yes by far
tender wedge
scent yeah
leaden sonnet
Sub deathstalker ideally doesnt even use darkest night
Literally cancelauras it because BP does more
random stirrup
Sub ds meta by tomorrow
please casual do not wish these things upon us
bright lodge
If sub would play deathstalker, sub would play Trickster for anti parry, no?
leaden sonnet
(ideally you dont even proc it to begin with but ye)
dense forge
Bp consumes darkest night bis
vivid vessel
Literally cancelauras it because BP does more
even for funnel damage?
leaden sonnet
If sub would play deathstalker, sub would play Trickster for anti parry, no?
The raid-wide antiparry thing has been fixed on ptr, and sub needs to be behind the target anyway for their backstab fw proc 
leaden sonnet
even for funnel damage?
For pure funnel ig but you lose massive amounts of aoe doing it
bright lodge
Good to know
leaden sonnet
But i dont think it takes that many targets for BP to be better than DN evis even for funnel
vivid vessel
i see
leaden sonnet
Its roughly the same prio to BP at 2 targets and more at 3 now with new tier
When you dont have DN
vivid vessel
in an ideal world where deathstaker wouldnt be absolute trash
would you have more prio with deathstlker bp
frank finch
no otes for rogue
mighty pivot
0 changes 
leaden sonnet
random stirrup
mighty pivot
maybe undocumented? 
random stirrup
its so funny that undocumented changes is even a real belief
frank finch
leaden sonnet
MM barely nerfed
frank finch
they got our buff
vivid vessel
ok
random stirrup
???
vivid vessel
im actually confused
how does rogue get no changes at all
2 weeks in a row
thats crazy
bright lodge
We will get late changes(Tmrw)
vivid vessel
wait they buffed sp?
random stirrup
imagine ur this down bad
red zinc
it got nerfed pretty hard last time
was mainly good due to bonkers tier
Idk about exact power levels though
haughty wigeon
It got dumpstered last time ya
frank finch
fire m nerfed ok
random stirrup
those ele changes are kind of funny because they aren't even really worse than rogue
vivid vessel
ok bro
haughty wigeon
Vdh was down bad damage wise for raid
random stirrup
considering outlaw sim is always high
frank finch
man wtf is going on
stray ether
wasnt sp doing well in ptr? How did it get a buff lol
red zinc
number go up number go down
gaunt phoenix
They have the data and I trust blizzard 😃 yes😃
random stirrup
wasnt sp doing well in ptr? How did it get a buff lol
i think its a relative equal power thing in keys i was just meming. the insidious ire thing should hit them decently hard
lone crow
solo crashout is crazy
random stirrup
im not a spriest tc by any means though
random stirrup
pretty sure ele sim was like 5.1M and those changes look like 20% buff minimum
hmm
stray ether
seems many tanks got dmg boost
frank finch
man
red zinc
ima just like
stray ether
they complained about their dmg for a while
red zinc
Come back from holiday
frank finch
im about to doom hard
haughty wigeon
they complained about their dmg for a while
It still sucks balls
But we don’t talk about that
Beartrope 5 tank key runs traumatized dps monkeys
paper lily
why no rogue changes wtf
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix im starting to get convinced of another thing
tuning is done by the guys that work on the class
haughty wigeon
I’m not sure
vivid vessel
convince me otherwise
haughty wigeon
If fdk nerf is a nerf
gaunt phoenix
upbeat tundra
@vivid vessel no tuning or changes because big rogue rework coming
upbeat tundra
bye casual
haughty wigeon
Plus bug fixes
brave plover
rogue class designer afk
dense forge
I don’t think there’s anyone working at rogue at this point
fierce mulch
there is a rogue class designer?!
dense forge
Fr
tidal sequoia
IS THERE A ROGUE CLASS IN THIS GAME ?
brave plover
AWOL rather
vivid vessel
bro zorthas snipped us
proper kiln
feral good?
vivid vessel
im so mad rn
upbeat tundra
??? rogue is perfect as it is what is there to change
covert heart
Guess its time to gaslight the rogue devs
frank finch
bro zorthas snipped us
covert heart
Demo got hit pretty hard
haughty wigeon
Kalamazi hatewatch <:LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOO:799359454952554496>
Ya cause it was fucking insane
vivid vessel
they didnt nerf arcane
coarse mesa
gotta find a rogue dev first b4 u gas light them
vivid vessel
haughty wigeon
Despite demon wizards sandbagging
covert heart
gotta find a rogue dev first b4 u gas light them
Trueee
red zinc
Ya cause it was fucking insane
nuh uh
dim widget
IS THERE A ROGUE CLASS IN THIS GAME ?
No and now stop playing like the rest of the player base
Blizz probably*
red zinc
random stirrup
down with kalamazi 
red zinc
Honestly
Feel like i hate on too many classes
Only like windwalker and survival hunter are ok in my book at this point
covert heart
The real hatred can only be boomies, mage, and vengeance
covert heart
Survival deserves no hate ever, they are one of us
dim widget
Make all hunters sv
frank finch
hold there might be something datamined
brave plover
the copium is overflowing
vivid vessel
They nerfed bf by 5%
10% nerf
shy fjord
I just think the rogue dev just have vanished...
leaden sonnet
they didnt nerf arcane
8% dmg to vdh
red zinc
8% dmg to vdh <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
idk how much mastery they built
vivid vessel
some specs
vivid vessel
know what i mean
red zinc
But that compensates somewhat i guess
leaden sonnet
idk how much mastery they built
Nothing, its like outlaws mastery
red zinc
why would they nerf it then
brave plover
its a power move
tulip surge
rogue no changes, feelsbadman
dim widget
why would they nerf it then
Oogoo gaga
covert heart
They are mostly a haste crit spec
red zinc
We get some
This was the last ptr patch 
brave plover
next week full class tree rework, and massive sweeping bugfixes that result in a 15% buff
balmy topaz
Well I can’t wait to do negative ST dmg
dense forge
balmy topaz
dense forge
3% is fine
vivid vessel
3%
red zinc
Naah but clearly you just highrolled and the other dk is the real damage of the spec
dense forge
3%
frank finch
i need to find another game
balmy topaz
Is the MM nerf even much of a nerf
red zinc
idk twin
vivid vessel
Bro mage is doing double the rogue dmg on ptr on bosses
triple if the rogue is outlaw
balmy topaz
tulip surge
bring bfa outlaw back pls
dense forge
Bro yday I was playing with mioshimo ACTUALLY double my boss dmg
mighty pivot
mage = hero class
dense forge
But no changes to mage , cool
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
which one
balmy topaz
frank finch
losing to tank
frank finch
river spoke
surely with mystic touch we're saved 🙂
vivid vessel
i do the same damage on live
balmy topaz
chilly atlas
they stealth changed outlaw to a tank spec and havent announced it yet
covert heart
balmy topaz
surely with mystic touch we're saved 🙂
Balanced around an ability that isn’t always there
covert heart
Trust they just left rogue section out on accident
balmy topaz
Wow
tulip surge
i suppose they just forgot to include the buff on the post, its okay guys
balmy topaz
We actually suck
vivid vessel
last boss top
covert heart
We are def getting aug season 2 treatment
brave plover
inc massive fatebound change that gives us 35% variance o7
glass mortar
Pog just got home in time for notes
We get some good buffs @vivid vessel ??
I'm on mobile so I haven't looked yet
covert kestrel
covert heart
I like how I was getting cooked by the ele shaman I play with in ptr and they got a buff
lime lake
covert heart
Its okay the buffs are coming shortly. Like a part 2
tulip surge
buffs so lit they need a separate post, trust
dawn talon
8% dmg to vdh <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
the mastery nerf tho
mild vigil
Great buffs all around
haughty wigeon
I am enlighten
mild vigil
Outlaw to the top
haughty wigeon
Vdh is fine
St raid damage needed help and mastery need means nothing
Aura buff will double dip with burning blades
And we will be meta yet again
Trust
latent oak
dw rogue notes will be datamined tomorrow 
past sphinx
Zac does killing spree ever bug and insta kill you on second last boss in top?
mighty pivot
rogue devs are working overtime because the changes are that massive
vivid vessel
Zac does killing spree ever bug and insta kill you on second last boss in top?
ye its the stagger bug
latent oak
there wasnt enough space in these notes for the rogue notes
past sphinx
Holy shit anyway to stop it?
vivid vessel
past sphinx
It happened in a 20
And bricked the key
vivid vessel
ye feint
and be topped
before every ks
i survive 21s and 22s
eating the balls
its fine
same shit with the beam last boss
leaden folio
eating the balls
vivid vessel
can eat it
lime lake
outlaw very good at eating balls
past sphinx
So cringe
tawny dagger
tacit maple
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
covert heart
Its my fault, anytime I try a new spec it ends up sucking. Maybe I'll try mage
Get them nerfed
Anything else yall want me to try?
latent oak
if u could get boomkins nerfed even more, that would be great
tawny dagger
Anything else yall want me to try?
Try them all so they all suck together
finally balanced
covert heart
Ill do my best
tawny dagger
be our thanos
bright lodge
How's that possible? I pressed it 3 times, my eyes saw it exploded on target every time and it shows it only hit once?
mighty pivot
which fight?
bright lodge
Bandit
random stirrup
did you mayhaps shoot it into reel assistants that still had their dlc shield or dynamite booty?
thorny zinc
what key level is it worth to drop cheat for elus
random stirrup
click this and see
bright crane
bright lodge
Oh. Now I see. I guess split doesn't count. That said, I only trying to hit boss and not the add
craggy barn
outlaw fucking is pain on mug
desert tendon
@vivid vessel
i stalked your wclog
why arent you top 1 on every boss?
you loser
vivid vessel
well
neat mist
washed up
latent oak
my goat is washed
desert tendon
you could get a r1 on dino&monkey boss
jackpot machine dude idk
guess the curent strat is to burn the boss and skip all bomb spawns
next wedge
random stirrup
only good players are straight gold minus vexie ive heard
wintry solar
More like tom pelvis
wintry solar
Tom pp
desert tendon
topbigpp
mighty pivot
frank finch
latent oak
crit vers neck added to priory
mighty pivot
was that in last patch?
brave plover
kekw
radiant void
There could be updated updated patch notes
pastel sierra
was that in last patch?
For next season
mighty pivot
yes I mean last ptr patch
trail plinth
Are we the worst dps now?
mighty pivot
there is a good necklace, this is the rogue change
paper lily
we get at least one more ptr patch next week? if no rogue changes I might play mage holy
trail plinth
Or is unholy worse than us
frank finch
unholy is simming 6m plus st
upbeat tundra
not even a single line hehe
worldly shale
not even a single line hehe
GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS
WE GOTTA MAKE OUR OWN LINES
WOOOO
lime lake
7
random stirrup
what are our ST sims ?
5
frank finch
4.9
random stirrup
i rounded
quaint mauve
l
random stirrup
ele was at 5.1 prior to the 20+% buff they just received this patch btw
u guys think rogue will receive similar tuning?
frank finch
prolly 5 now with reshii wraps buff
eternal reef
Are you guys running these sims yourself or are they being posted somewhere
eternal reef
Appreciate it
covert heart
Thats so 30 mins ago
vestal notch
i dont think they forgot
eternal reef
Holy
silver sluice
rogues flirting with 5 mil while warlock single target is like 6.5mil and prolly higher now with cloak - better nerf warrior again though tbh
random stirrup
again they thought ele was so bad at 5.1 that they should buff it by 20% this patch
silver sluice
also that
random stirrup
but rogue drowning at 5 (on specs that always oversim) is fine
tender wedge
someone pointed it out the other day like
cinder relic
I think its cool that we had actual raid testing but ppl are more interested in sim dps
tender wedge
ret changes - 35% to this, 25% to that, 30% to the other
vivid vessel
I think its cool that we had actual raid testing but ppl are more interested in ...
bro
vivid vessel
raid testing was litteraly 5 weeks ago
there has been so much tuning since then
i think its not that crazy to kinda completly disregard raid tuning by now
vivid vessel
i mean sure it is
nova sinew
People said that about ww this tier and then it was really good
frank finch
again they thought ele was so bad at 5.1 that they should buff it by 20% this pa...
for anyone wondering this is not bait and very real
latent oak
was sp archon
vivid vessel
idk its yoda stream
ayije prolly streaming
sp definitly needed a buff
i think its wild that spoecs that were considered good like these already get buffed
and not rogue
oh well
west helm
we need zorthas tomato head guy posting vids about rogue to get a buff
wintry solar
Rogue needs urgent buffs
eternal reef
Wait hey those 5 classes look familiar
vivid vessel
riht
covert heart
ROGUE IS DOOMED type title
frank finch
well thats it gg
eternal reef
Yes rogue is stealthed
covert heart
I think so
frank finch
pack it up
eternal reef
Not even blizzard can see us
vivid vessel
im confused
covert heart
Huge buff coming on Tuesday 
covert heart
It was a nuff
eternal reef
Mages have a daily zoom stand up where they discuss how much they will sandbag
upper surge
I am so happy they buffed pyre and firestorm by 20%! Evoker was struggling hard.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3Arz2FntT9pkW8mV?fight=last&type=damage-done
fathom bramble
is every class included
this means we are next
eternal reef
Oh there's a rogue in there
upper surge
That's why I shared it here 😉
fathom bramble
using the old outlaw icon like a true champion of the cause
eternal reef
That's why I shared it here 😉
Seems fine, rogue is a little closer to the evoker than the tank. Just a little though
🙂
vivid vessel
using the old outlaw icon like a true champion of the cause
bro
vivid vessel
i use the old icon everywehre cause i prefer it
fathom bramble
well it is the better icon
vivid vessel
but
fathom bramble
rip
vivid vessel
for my thumbmails
i litteraly forgot
and used the new one
imma fix that for next ones
fathom bramble
I can't believe they just changed our spec icon to a dispatch icon
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
at least make a new icon idk
wintry solar
well it is the better icon
I can't actually remember what the newer icon looks like because my brain always envisions the older one
mighty pivot
mm nerf 
fathom bramble
i need it in high rez tho
is this good enough?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=13034/speedsteel-rapier#icon
vivid vessel
crazy thing is
we didnt even get buffed by proxy
cause the op specs didnt actually get nerfed
daring oxide
I think next week
Realz might be on vacation or the devs need a bit more time to fine tune the outlaw nob
random stirrup
heres another fun thing to show
frank finch
only one that got truly nerfed was demo
daring oxide
We will get a buff soon
random stirrup
when they write "all damage buffed by 8%" like they did for boomie and feral this week
daring oxide
when they write "all damage buffed by 8%" like they did for boomie and feral thi...
It’s quite hard to do this
vivid vessel
when they write "all damage buffed by 8%" like they did for boomie and feral thi...
ye but they always do this tho
random stirrup
but look
vivid vessel
like i think its always like that no ?
mighty pivot
yes they just up the spec aura by that %
still shard
👀 Guess what — we once stealthed into a changelog update.
random stirrup
boomie goes from 9 to 18, while feral only receives the stated 8
vivid vessel
yes they just up the spec aura by that %
ye
still shard
Like… straight up ninja mode. No entry, no trace.
mighty pivot
it's why outlaw didn't get 10% in reality but a bit less
vivid vessel
thats fucked
daring oxide
They have to do maths and then present to the higher ups why this is a good idea with presentations and demos so it’s all a complex process, we just need patience and we will be rewarded
random stirrup
even though ferals aura is higher
still shard
Even we had to double-check if it actually went live.
Total rogue energy.
vivid vessel
it's why outlaw didn't get 10% in reality but a bit less
we had 0% aura no ?
so we got 10
fathom bramble
sometimees they do math
vivid vessel
didnt we
fathom bramble
our aura wasn't the full 10% because we also do AA damage
daring oxide
I guess those boots from DH boss are giga mandatory
For outlaw then
With the reshi buff
mighty pivot
we had 0% aura no ?
no, I think we had 6% or something? let me see if I can find it
vivid vessel
i mean i can check rn
lone spear
guys its ok, theyre keeping rogue weak so new players dont come to spec and have to learn it just foe it to get the amazing rework next expansion where we become pirates
mighty pivot
i mean i can check rn
ye it's 16% post-buff
lone spear
i believe
vivid vessel
ye it's 16% post-buff
ah
daring oxide
We gonna be getting a fabulous fresh sourdough loaf of buffs
random stirrup
Realz cooking something fantastic
this is the same vurai who foretold killing spree rework in 11.1.7 
fathom bramble
in any case they kind of just randomly do math or don't
quaint grail
anyone playing ptr?
fathom bramble
sometimes you get an extra % when you should and sometimes you just get less
quaint grail
what trinkets from the new season fells the best rn?
random stirrup
in any case they kind of just randomly do math or don't
i just find it odd that they do the math for boomie and not for feral in the same patch, even though the boomie changes were added later
daring oxide
this is the same vurai who foretold killing spree rework in 11.1.7 <:hmmge:11280...
Yes and that killing spree reroll came???
wintry solar
Realz cooking something fantastic
What if he is and it's something you don't like?
frank finch
the only cope i have is they buffed ele st by 20 % when they were basiclly the same as us
till next week we wait
hold
vivid vessel
the only cope i have is they buffed ele st by 20 % when they were basiclly the s...
ok but
did you see how they did the buff
daring oxide
What if he is and it's something you don't like?
I will just be polite and finish it but never have hope ever again I swear on me outlaw
vivid vessel
theyu buffed specific spells
instead of aura buffs
these guys have a dev
we dont
vivid vessel
ye
frank finch
fathom bramble
the elusive kir/ho build may rise
daring oxide
what if the entire 20% buff is on ambush and dispatch damage
Better than nothing but i hope they buff BTE
random stirrup
another 40% to killing spree coming right up
wintry solar
what if the entire 20% buff is on ambush and dispatch damage
Crackshot stocks go up tho
daring oxide
I think they gonna buff GSW though
Next week
Unveil the new meta pistol shot build
daring oxide
Solo will have to get back to work
fathom bramble
the entire 20% is on TT
vivid vessel
Reminder there has been 0 iterations on rogue hero talents while they are arguably the worse hero talents in the game
mighty pivot
arguably
daring oxide
Reminder there has been 0 iterations on rogue hero talents while they are arguab...
Arguably? Isn’t it factually?
mighty pivot
no datamined changes either btw
tender wedge
mmm they got changed what once before release (feint --> KS) and that was that
random stirrup
im sure its fine that sub has played trickster since tww beta and assa has played ds since tww beta while mage/hunter/shaman receive 18 changes to their hero trees every tier so they have something new all the time
torpid fiber
Arguably? Isn’t it factually?
no way to objectively compare
daring oxide
Rogue hero talents are categorically, academically, historically, factually, honestly, outlawly the worst designed talent tree in the history of humankind
torpid fiber
we all know they suck ass but you can't prove it
daring oxide
Especially fatebound
wintry solar
Seeing is believing
daring oxide
im sure its fine that sub has played trickster since tww beta and assa has playe...
Well class population is the metric behind the decisions to prioritise work on specific classes
vivid vessel
Especially fatebound
Honestly after playing with trickster more I think it's even worse than fateboudn
Wild take or?
lone spear
blizz: "omg poor evokers have to press engulf back to back and if theyre too slow they lose the damage? its ok we'll change it"
also blizz: "yea we nerfed fazed uptime and increased amount of coup you pressed, enjoy"
mighty pivot
a bit wild yes
vivid vessel
Especially with ks giving cps now
daring oxide
The classes that make more money via subs are the most important for reworks
vivid vessel
a bit wild yes
Ok let me explain
mighty pivot
FB doesn't play without the new tier
torpid fiber
Do you think fatebound is a call for help from within blizzard and they're trying to tell us that if devs ever stop working for more than 15 seconds they lose 7% of their pay?
daring oxide
Especially with ks giving cps now
I think trickster with the new tier set is definitely much worse yes
KS being a channel is a disappointment, but losing the teleport is still a minor win for me overall
bright lodge
They didn’t touch our Hero tree this ptr? Could it be the sign that they are cooking something big
daring oxide
The unseen blades 2pc proc is just so annoying
random stirrup
Well class population is the metric behind the decisions to prioritise work on s...
i know
its just a bit sad
bright lodge
Be ready to reveal this week
quaint mauve
i’m scared abt the upcoming text wall
random stirrup
although mage isn't exactly a population powerhouse
if anything ret should get more attention
daring oxide
i’m scared abt the upcoming text wall
It’ll be a single line don’t worry
torpid fiber
surely they'll announce they're making outlaw ranged in midnight 
quaint mauve
zac is typing up a storm
lone spear
i’m scared abt the upcoming text wall
bright lodge
By “they” I mean the only guy that is to shy to present any changes until asked
quaint mauve
surely they'll announce they're making outlaw ranged in midnight <:clueless:9371...
i think it’d be cool as a close ranged class that used dual pistols
bright lodge
So he cook, but cook big
quaint mauve
give me a cannon while ur at it
vivid vessel
You are forced to Perma press SS, blind, you don't know when it will proc es but you have to press it still, works fine for sub since they have one builder, we don't
Coup longer GCD is wonky
You need to build after ks but you are at full cp
You can't go over 4 es, but tier gives you 4 and then ask you to consume 4 again but you can't build ??
Ub proc are so delayed you can proc them after your next GCD
You need a custom weak aura cringe to track ub stuffs
Fazed is a debuff which is literally useless but serves as a punishment when you wanna target swap and then it'd not up and coup does nothing and you wanna kill yourself
Am I forgetting something
mighty pivot
@vivid vessel speaking of aura buffs, moonkins got a real 8% (109% -> 118%) so I guess it's up to the dev on how they interpret it
vivid vessel
Ye I saw
torpid fiber
i think it’d be cool as a close ranged class that used dual pistols
Yeah this is kinda the idea in my head, 20-25yd range but no casts
Solves the uptime issue a decent amount and makes the spec way easier to get into, but it would be broken as fuck in pvp so idt they'd ever do it
daring oxide
You are forced to Perma press SS, blind, you don't know when it will proc es bu...
I was saying this before, if we don’t consume the 4 stacks immediately upon first coup it’s gonna be so fucked
It’s just a case of huge design oversights when they designed the tier set for 11.2 outlaw
Just didn’t even think of the implications of these unseen effects or double coup huff
Buff
vivid vessel
Ok but like with all of that
fathom bramble
You are forced to Perma press SS, blind, you don't know when it will proc es bu...
these are things I was really hoping would get iterated on
mighty pivot
trickster is very clunky but they seem to not care about wasted EB stacks for some reason. Honestly the part I find most frustrating is the untrackable UB cooldown. Straight up laziness from their end
vivid vessel
Do you guys not agree that trickster is actually just worse designed ?
Like objectively it's worse
Everything is wonky
daring oxide
I think it’s very clunky but my thought is that both hero talent trees are designed terribly
vivid vessel
At least fateboudn kinda work
It's just boring
And bugged
But design wise it's uh
daring oxide
Both are so bugged lol
vivid vessel
Idk it works kinda
mighty pivot
FB doesn't exactly work without the tier set though, right? it's a mess
vivid vessel
Well the number to get to the capstone ye
quaint mauve
the implications were....unseen
everyone thought a KS change was gonna be a good thing
LOL
vivid vessel
And all the damage profile issue
daring oxide
But it might be just a case that there’s so little developer attention to the gameplay issues of trickster in 11.2 is that the devs simply aren’t aware of the glaring issues
mighty pivot
even if you ignore the bugs, you still have the weird self nerf on ST
vivid vessel
But like gameplay wise its at least not offensive
Like trickster is idk
Everything is so bad bro
daring oxide
Outlaw gameplay baseline is so fun
mighty pivot
all 3 hero trees are clown fiestas
daring oxide
But 11.2 trickster adds a clunky layer to it
vivid vessel
And I like trickster I think some things are fun
I enjoy having 2 moe finishers kinda
quaint mauve
how much worse is fb in aoe
vivid vessel
But idk
vivid vessel
And I'm tired of losing pistol shot stacks or overcapping them
Cause of trickster bullshit minigsme
Legit terrible
wintry solar
everyone thought a KS change was gonna be a good thing
You'd imagine people would see the pattern in asking for a fix from blizz
vivid vessel
Ok well
fathom bramble
I mean
vivid vessel
They did good things in df I think
vivid vessel
I think ks redesign is a complete fail
mighty pivot
You'd imagine people would see the pattern in asking for a fix from blizz
KS change is still a net positive but only because the old version was so dogshit. It's as if their design goal was to make the spell not kill you but that you still hate pressing it
vivid vessel
But that's just cause these devs have the biggest ego ever
fathom bramble
I think ks redesign is a complete fail
in some respects for sure
vivid vessel
And refuse to admit sometimes they have shit ideas
fathom bramble
they had a chance to make a really good spell and just made a version that still needs more fixes
wintry solar
KS change is still a net positive but only because the old version was so dogshi...
Part of the changes asked for was to not make it shit to press goober
vivid vessel
in some respects for sure
I mean lok, if this was a completely new spell, not a replacement
It would be legit 9/11
wintry solar
Net positive sure
fathom bramble
that's about it
vivid vessel
It's only acceptable because it's a replacement to the worse spell in the game
But going from the worse spell In the game to basically another worse spell in the game
Isn't that impressive
quaint mauve
worst spell in the game to worst spell in the game
wintry solar
Gargoyle is worse
wintry solar
That's also ancient
mighty pivot
is there even any other spell that hits a random single target near you?
vivid vessel
An intern with a big ego made it probably
vivid vessel
is there even any other spell that hits a random single target near you?
Good question
Good design
Also since it doesn't go around you anymore
mighty pivot
unique
vivid vessel
There is literally no fucking point?
It looks like it always goes on your target ???
restive obsidian
it's a spell that even hits immune targets instead of real targets
vivid vessel
Animation wise ??
But it doesn't ??
Like
Holy shit bro
How stupid of a design is that
mighty pivot
no the shotgun blasts go to the real target, they just go fast
lime lake
is there even any other spell that hits a random single target near you?
Templar hammers
mighty pivot
you can see the cone change between targets
lime lake
Only thing I can think of atm
vivid vessel
no the shotgun blasts go to the real target, they just go fast
Ok but it barely move
Like it just looks like you are blasting in front of you
So why isn't it just going to my target
Fuck do I care if the animation isn't rp
Fucking dumbass
Make a real spell or
mighty pivot
Templar hammers
those go to multiple targets, no?
lone spear
well its MF ult now xdd
wintry solar
Yeah true
frail veldt
People wanted reaper ult
It's almost reaper ult
wintry solar
Close
haughty wigeon
is there even any other spell that hits a random single target near you?
Templars hammers
vivid vessel
Mf ULT hit all targets for the same damage
frail veldt
It doesn't do AOE damage
vivid vessel
So that's not true
haughty wigeon
Some hunter shit
vivid vessel
And it doesn't do AOE damage
lime lake
those go to multiple targets, no?
Each hits a single target but I think cleaves
frail veldt
If it was actual reaper ult it'd be sick
lime lake
So dame as ks and bf
wintry solar
Not reaper. I'm thinking of something else
haughty wigeon
It looks cool
frail veldt
It's SO CLOSE to being a banger
haughty wigeon
So I’m fine with it
vivid vessel
It would be like mf ULT or reaper ukt it would bf at 100%
frail veldt
It's def better than what we had
wintry solar
Because Yeah reaper ult would be sick
frail veldt
10000%
vivid vessel
It's SO CLOSE to being a banger
Litteraly every rogue thing ever
quaint mauve
If it was actual reaper ult it'd be sick
literally this
lone spear
It would be like mf ULT or reaper ukt it would bf at 100%
i mean fuck why not, i'd so be down for it to be huge aoe button
wintry solar
It's SO CLOSE to being a banger
Blizz has an impeccable track record for that lately
vivid vessel
It was like that in SL when it was also random targeting
And that was fine cause random targeting is fine if you cleave at 100%
vivid vessel
Ye probably
Idk
I feel like they wanted to do that
Based on the animation
But they didn't have time
fathom bramble
"While blade flurry is active Killing Spree strikes all nearby enemies"
wintry solar
"While blade flurry is active Killing Spree strikes all nearby enemies"
Imagine
fathom bramble
reduced damage past 8 probably lol
vivid vessel
Throw it out of the window
bright lodge
Warframe Mesa ult aka Peacemaker
fathom bramble
10 years huh
fathom bramble
feels like I've been hearing KS complaints slightly longer than that
fathom bramble
I wish it just got reworked or removed when they made outlaw
instead of leaving it in at a low tuning for a nice landmine on the next dev
daring oxide
Wouldn’t it be so much easier if they just made killing spree as reapers ult (aka a gcd or two bladestorm but with pistols…)
wintry solar
I wish it was good
latent oak
idk bladerush isnt exactly exciting gameplay
wintry solar
we all playin fortnite instead next patch
I'm playing killing floor 3
latent oak
its not negative like ks
wintry solar
idk bladerush isnt exactly exciting gameplay
No the high apm is the exciting gameplay
wintry solar
I don't need every button to suck and fondle me
lone spear
i mean, i am an advocate for killing spree in theory, but it should keep same duration regardless of combo points (maybe like 2s is fine) and should just do more damage with combo points spent
wintry solar
Consider this
latent oak
when the dash is relevant its fun
but that is pretty rare when we have a million grapples d
xd
lone spear
1.6 feels a bit low, but thats probably what the people want
who am i to stand on their way
wintry solar
I was gonna mention the dash but that's just a cool side effect that doesn't add a whole lot
lone spear
ye outlaw needs the mobility 
wintry solar
BR removing roots would be soooo hot
mighty pivot
they could change BR's secondary effect to something more useful rather than 25 energy over 5s
gaunt phoenix
That was good back in my day
wintry solar
Fr
lone spear
s1 df
wintry solar
Maybe next rework in 13.2 BR will be good again
lone spear
the good days
dude i was legit watching gameplay from then and outlaw looked so much smoother, energy wasnt a problem if you played well, adr wasnt 95% uptime
wintry solar
the good days
The days before having either infinite energy and none at all
lone spear
legit man fuck take me back
full dawn
df classic
latent oak
outlaw more fun now than then :^)
full dawn
coming soon
latent oak
crackshot straight into my veins
lone spear
i think its different type of fun
quaint mauve
every subterfuge window, i feel so much dopamine rush into me
it’s like a hit of heroin
or so i’ve heard
gaunt phoenix
Late shadowlands outlaw still peak
wintry solar
Agreed
latent oak
idk its close
latent oak
i loved bonespike and er shadowdust
lone spear
i keep hearing good things, was playing mage at the time
quaint mauve
i wish they’d bring back cov abilities
latent oak
ya makes sense
fathom bramble
Blade Rush: Deal x physical damage to all nearby enemies, for the next 5 seconds you cannot generate combo points and instead charge a precise strike. After charging fully you can cast Precise Strike to deal x physical damage for each combo point you would have generated. This effect counts as spending each combo point stored.
gaunt phoenix
latent oak
rare loktark bad take
wintry solar
You could just make the energy economy better
fathom bramble
random cooks are never good or bad
I also hated this one while typing it
so it is what it is
latent oak
lmao
wintry solar
Can't win em all
gaunt phoenix
i like unique things
latent oak
my bad cook is that adr should replace ur energy bar with a depleting resource that entering uhuh just refills a flat amount of
fathom bramble
Blade Rush: Deal x physical damage to all nearby enemies, for the next 5 seconds store a copy of each combo point spent to charge a precise strike. After charging fully you can cast Precise Strike to deal x physical damage for each combo point stored. This effect counts as spending each combo point stored.
Hidden rush: Blade rush also grants the combat benefits of stealth for 5 seconds.