outlaw

[mighty pivot]

[warped tide]

Yeah i saw haha

[vivid vessel]

The one you can never get

[astral wind]

Is this from omega? 👀

[mighty pivot]

the rapiers are good looking too but way too big

[cinder relic]

you guys wish

Its from legion mage tower

Never to be seen again

[astral wind]

End me

Why was I so lazy in legion 🙃

[wintry solar]

L take

[mighty pivot]

they are as long as an orc wdym

[wintry solar]

The jaina swords were better

[mighty pivot]

I prefer daelin's sabers yes

[bright lodge]

Does new season have good looking weapons?

[astral wind]

They're kinda goated yeah

https://www.wowhead.com/news/manaforge-omega-raid-weapon-models-datamined-in-patch-11-2-377392

[bright lodge]

Ooo

[mighty pivot]

btw the ghostblades sheathe on the back just to make you even more jelly

[wintry solar]

I shit you not those look similar to something we've had in the past

[mighty pivot]

and this is the morphing effect guy mentioned. What a good dagger model

[vivid vessel]

They will bring them back one day you fucker

[mighty pivot]

they will return with wow 2.0

[balmy topaz]

$40 on the market place

[vivid vessel]

I would buy them lol

Litteraly the only daggers that look good

[haughty wigeon]

I like

My krol blades

[mighty pivot]

zac would pay thousands to bugfix outlaw, you think 40 bucks would stop him from getting the daggers?

[haughty wigeon]

They were 10/10

[craggy kelp]

I remember doing the mage tower and finishing subs

I didn’t look up the appearances beforehand

God damn that model is so fucking ugly

[plucky chasm]

Can anyone tell me where to get this outfit ? Is this the same outfit on zacs background on twitch ?

I love this all black thing

Wanna get this

But from where

[craggy kelp]

It’s the dark fuse rep

Undermine

Farm monster for 10hrs

Also I started in legion and I don’t remember.

Was the outlaw one super hard before they added in loaded dice

Or was I just dogshit

[pliant wind]

went to ogri in rtp and instant saw 7 fdk

[mighty pivot]

Cat life

[craggy kelp]

Wait wowhead says loaded dice was added in bfa 8.01 but I coulda sworn they added it sometime 7.3 or w/e

[stiff hawk]

They renamed a lot of things

[mighty pivot]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Loaded_Dice_(rogue_artifact_trait) this is the one you want

[craggy kelp]

Yeah that

I remember before that I would sit in stealth and just roll until 6buff or something each attempt

[pliant wind]

Isnt that trinket good? volatile detonation

[frank finch]

sack?

[pliant wind]

yes

sack of terror

[frank finch]

i remember it being desired

[balmy topaz]

This was my run to beat a hunter

[frank finch]

by rogues and dh's

[pliant wind]

its 3.5% overall not bad

at 3 targets atleast

[vivid vessel]

it has master as a stat

[pliant wind]

yep thats the ugly thing

[craggy kelp]

Demo giga sandbag no?

[balmy topaz]

ye

and the hpala

[wintry solar]

Good ol legion

[vapid blaze]

Surely WE get Patch today or

[red zinc]

10k haste isnt 18% is it

Or am I cooked

[desert tendon]

As cooked as zeross food

You re burnt

[bright lodge]

You should post it in your thread with !log

[knotty oriole]

Got it

!log

[vestal notch]

zac clearly washed

[vivid vessel]

idk

i do more st on live i cba

[regal saffron]

Bad rolls?

[vivid vessel]

thats not even the worse outlaw goes to in st

[regal saffron]

I would do a nice revert to flurry and add a 5% aura

[frosty fern]

What resets the CD on grappling hook? was watching a sprocket vod where the player used grappling hook 4 times in a row.

[prisma vessel]

fatebound talent

[frosty fern]

ty!

[prisma vessel]

deaths arrival

[frosty fern]

have only played with trickster so that makes sense.

[worthy thunder]

!log

[short heath]

i saw shin casual addict and you. So far sub seems to have the edge in dps but still not close to dk dps.

[vivid vessel]

ye sub looks the best rn

if you just pull a bit more around its cds it will do great i think

• the st is very good

[hardy vault]

make the tank pull around my CDs

surely that'll work in my weeklies

[bright lodge]

Doesn't Solo strike you as authority figure? Like older brother or Daddy Solo?

[gaunt phoenix]

😨

[halcyon elm]

i'd say he's the most mature person here

[honest sparrow]

Ok but thats like saying he is the most mature person in preschool no?

[halcyon elm]

u could say that

a grown-up, amongst children

[bright lodge]

There is a teacher in preschool still

[halcyon elm]

he always tries to herd the kids for show n tell (new sim updates)

[vivid vessel]

daddy for me ye

[tropic zephyr]

zac sandbagging again !!!

btw

you're supposed to keep bursts for boss

that sub probably did it and that's why he did dps

[red zinc]

he must be sending his cds on aoe packs to pad overall

unethical player

stealing damage

[tropic zephyr]

these padders sending CDs on trash when they should keep it for boss...

smh

[vestal notch]

Only fuu is daddy

[bright lodge]

Fuu is more like a wealthy uncle working IT

Or a Godfather

[split grove]

Is it normal that i sim way higher as HO than kir in ST and in dslice as well ? (i have enough haste for both builds)
Wanted to learn KIR for next patch but it seems to suck on my char for some reason

(https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5u2gXMQTrMZhcrs4Yw3gq ST and dslice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ozMH91S3PmfaCz9qezbUUs Sims for comparison)

[hybrid crown]

Do you have 19% haste

[hybrid crown]

for your KIR aoe build, are you using that 1 point fan the hammer build

it makes sense for ST that HO Trickster is simming for more

it is supposed to

but I think 1 point FTH KIR is supposed to edge out the no GS HO build by just a tiny bit

oh I see in the sim, it is 1 point FTH KIR

huh

that makes me want to compare on mine

[lone spear]

HO and KiR should not be that big of a diff

something is wrong

[hybrid crown]

because I play HO no GS in keys

I just dont care about the difference

[gentle sky]

is anyone ells haveing a probelm on ptr when your teir set dos a second unseen blade proc and then actived coup de grace and WA dont show it befor its to late and i use my vanish but when i use my first BTW the first coup de grace get used and im in sub window longer then the timer for the second one is up is that just ptr lag for EU ?

[vivid vessel]

do you have a macro that does dispatch out of stealth and bte in stealth

[gentle sky]

no but i use the same keybind but have btw on it in stealth bar

[vivid vessel]

ye

dont do that

!stancedelay

[ornate heath]

Stance delay is caused by exiting or entering another stance,
Macros or bar swapping will have a small delay and can result in a miss fire.
In the example of the Dispatch/BtE macro it could cast a Dispatch after a Vanish> Dispatch/BtE macro.
This can also happen at the end of a stance, resulting in a BtE being sent, without your control, right as Subt/Dance expire and putting it up on cd.

[vivid vessel]

your first bte isnt consuming coup

you just arent using a first bte

[daring oxide]

another 20% buff for us soon

[vivid vessel]

you are using a dispatch

[gentle sky]

so shoud i just get a new keybind for it ?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[gentle sky]

ty ❤️

[hybrid crown]

I did a sim compare and the difference for D Slice was .5% favoring 1 point FTH

thats a lot less of a difference than I thought

[gentle sky]

do we stil use GS as a combopint builder * or do we just want to use it as fast as your can

[vivid vessel]

you did it wrong prolly

send siom

[hybrid crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8PdZVmNuACqSLFir91Jcc

[vivid vessel]

wtf

oh]

you swap to ho ?

ye

[hybrid crown]

the one that is .5% behind is just the no GS + PC HO M+ build

[vivid vessel]

ye ho and kir sim the same this tier

[hybrid crown]

I guess d slice doesn't quite account for a well cooked big aoe with KIR buffs

[upper surge]

https://x.com/xerwo/status/1948691227106279883?t=NHIYVj23dscCHrbLAQh71A&s=19

xerwo (@xerwo)

I feel attacked

X · Jul 25, 2025, 10:26 AM

[bright lodge]

I also lvled new rogue and I'm not even in a guild that raids

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps because your crit is so high

[split grove]

Ho likes crit way more than kir ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Kir devalues crit cause of 80% RP uptime

[split grove]

Oh i see ok thanks

It's already hard to gear for sub or ass if you play outlaw, now i gotta have 2 gears for outlaw specs lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

ho and kir has always been similar in slice

kir takes over in big pulls that might not be consistent with the events of slice

ho is good this tier i was never quite convinced to play kir

ho was really popular until kir took over for some reason

[split grove]

Yeah i found if weird that it sim behind in ST particularly

But i guess it will be way better next tier when we lose tier set right ? Still need to prep for a KIR season

Or will HO be similar to now

[gaunt phoenix]

yea HO doesnt look great next tier

[split grove]

Every season i think i'll need to swap and it ends up with HO being similar

[jovial dome]

Playing outlaw with under 10% haste feels so sad

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Don't do that

Silly billy

[jovial dome]

I’m switching back to Assa until I get more haste gear. It feels less bad.

[wintry solar]

What's the fastest way to get gear at the beginning of a season. Delves?

[bright lodge]

There was a cheat sheet

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/mobilebasic

[jovial dome]

I love the wall of text line.

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna assume delves

Ty though

[white marten]

M0 and Delves

[wintry solar]

Zeros?

Isn't that where mage mains like to play?

[jolly geyser]

I switched last week, just gotta think about buffs, otherwise buttons idk

read faq, I did

damn all channel chats scrolled

[wintry solar]

I think we're gonna have a pretty good season

[jolly geyser]

havent checked all day

[wintry solar]

Ty

[covert heart]

For raid next season is it looking like kir fb? Or some version of ho

Other than like cleave fights where we prob go kir trickster

[copper radish]

How many more days till S3

[gaunt phoenix]

kir everything, fatebound on single target, trickster in aoe

[covert heart]

Groovy. I am glad because I prefer kir in raid anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes it seems like ho can be ~4% behind which is not horrifically terrible

but still not great

but especially if outlaw is undertuned then i would not willingly take this loss

[neat mist]

What the

[jolly geyser]

I dont mind kir or ho,but I feel there is something better

like in dev mind

[bright lodge]

Well, can't argue it's not true

[jovial dome]

That was the best line. It hurt but it’s also true so can’t even be mad.

[lucid sandal]

Wouldve been true for ret paladins or bm hunters

[lone spear]

outlaw is hard mechanically, but our brains dont need to do much

once u have the prio list down, not much changes it. also not having to plan cds

[lucid sandal]

Okay well ret and bm aren't hard mechanically AND their brains don't need to do much so now what

[lone spear]

too many people play those specs and he'll get hate

what are we gonna do? we are but a dozen

trying to pass off as a real spec in year of our lord 2025

[jolly geyser]

gotta play outlaw in raid so we changes

[lone spear]

im on the front line brother

[jolly geyser]

bastonge

[lucid sandal]

I'm probably gonna be put in subtlety prison

[jolly geyser]

im gonna cover you in the bunker brother

[lone spear]

we're like the vanguard trying to hold out

[covert heart]

Imma play outlaw in raid its gonna be wonderful

[lone spear]

while zac the sabatour is in there sandbagging keys

so we get more st buffs

[lone spear]

samesies, mostly because im just good enough to make it look op anyway

[jolly geyser]

mfs gonna have to post theoden speech before s3

[late swallow]

[covert heart]

Imma out dps most of guild so I'll be fine haha

[lone spear]

pop off king

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/theoden-king-ride-gif-27448412

[late swallow]

what is Ravenholdt but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll on the floor with the dogs

[covert heart]

My guild is like a 5 or 6/8 mythic guild so nothing crazy

[lone spear]

as long as ur havin fun, thats what matters

[covert heart]

I have a good time its only twice a week haha

Plus it means I can play whatever I want

[late swallow]

my gooning schedule fr

[lone spear]

my guild aint crazy neither, but we get ce halfway through the tier as a 2 nighter, and vibes are great

what more can u ask for

[covert heart]

Thats the goal eventually

[late swallow]

vibes > everything

[covert heart]

Yea I have quite way better guilds because it was a horrible haha

[late swallow]

slow CE prog with good vibes is inifinitely better than fast CE with a bunch of chuds

[lone spear]

its rare to find, but those guilds also last long

because the people in them know how to enjoy themselves without burning out

[jolly geyser]

Im in a guild that has been around tbc,just changed server

[covert heart]

@gaunt phoenix I forgot to ask that raid build stuff is for new tier right or we just swap to fb right away for st? I assume its for new tier

[lucid sandal]

we just gloss over this?

[covert heart]

It was rookie numbers so I didn't look at that schedule 2 hard

[late swallow]

when a guild has like a 5-10 player core that's been together for like 5+ years

you're gonna be eating good

roster changes every tier is no bueno

[covert heart]

Yea our guild is like df season 4 new so its gotten some good progression so far I feel

Only loose like a player or 2 per season

[jolly geyser]

"we just hit the boss"

[lone spear]

you swap to loaded dice after dropping old tier

[covert heart]

Yeppers I meant hero talents

[late swallow]

they should make a talent called "regular dice" that literally just does nothing

just a dead point

would be kinda based

[keen belfry]

You should be able to put 2 points into it

[covert heart]

Like week 1 without new tier are we gonna go fb st or just stay trickster till new tier for st raid encounters

[jolly geyser]

talent point this tier

[keen belfry]

They should make FTH 3 talent points

[late swallow]

FTH should be the first 4/4 node

[lone spear]

i assume you go fatebound with KiR since trickster got nerfed via ks cd increase

but idk solo will clarify

[keen belfry]

KIR should be 2 points. First points only gives a 50% chance to extend buffs

[covert heart]

That makes sense to me but maybe without the new tier it was a wash or something

[late swallow]

remove KiR off of restless

[lone spear]

i wish

then maybe we'd have a real cooldown

[late swallow]

actually no, give KiR like a 30 sec cd, but it extends RTB by only .5 seconds

keep it on restless

[lone spear]

triggering all the post-mop combat/outlaw rogues

"CANT HAVE CDS WITH RESTLESS BLADES WONT WORK"

[jolly geyser]

I wouldnt mind

I just dps

[lone spear]

my dream is the rogue rework that is almost guaranteed for midnight changes outlaw bigly

if nothing else than to spice it up

[late swallow]

they're putting in a lot of resources into rogue for sure

[jolly geyser]

if they dont work on outlaw midnight,im gonna tag blizz people

[late swallow]

i hear they're hiring a bunch of Scandinavian developers

[jolly geyser]

need more secure workplace

[chilly atlas]

copium

[lone spear]

i think its become in the general spotlight that rogue is unpopular and jank

[late swallow]

eh idk if the popular view is that it's jank

[chilly atlas]

jank is our class identity at this point, if they change that, what will we have?

[lone spear]

real

[late swallow]

i think people are starting to be aware that rogue gets like next to no attention

[jolly geyser]

picklocking

[lone spear]

to be fair there are other specs that get same attention as us

but its usually not the whole class like us

like survival isnt touched that much, but MM and BM get constant changes

popularity things

[random stirrup]

i think "keep it rolling" could be interesting as just an added passive to rtb that rolls and extends current buffs by a small amount

kinda like ur suggesting

removes a button and you literally keep rolling

[late swallow]

holy

my shitpost cook is actually good?

[vivid vessel]

idk hyw we would want to remove kir as a button tho

[late swallow]

[random stirrup]

it would be turbo turbo cringe for downtime though

[vivid vessel]

you press it not that often and its a cool button to press

[vestal notch]

tbf sv has gotten some attention lately, which is deserved after so much neglect

[vivid vessel]

[late swallow]

sv was legit perfect in s1

they cooked it to perfection

then they overcooked in s2

[lone spear]

kir is cool, the container shit isnt

[random stirrup]

i like kir as a button but if blizzard is already on the train of simplifying outlaw

[vivid vessel]

also how much is class/spec popularity related to how little attention they get

[random stirrup]

I suspect it is on the chopping block

[vivid vessel]

like if the spec isnt getting fixes and shit

people leave

to specs that get some

[random stirrup]

making it a passive at least keeps it in some form

[chilly atlas]

then why are you still here?

[lone spear]

sadists

[jolly geyser]

do they know how to fix thou?

[lone spear]

i mean the 7.1.5 cook was good

[vestal notch]

i think it does zac, i feel like they sre very behind in schedule and helping popular specs pleases the most people in the least amount of time

[late swallow]

imagine if zac was a rogue dev

we'd be eating so good

[lone spear]

its just recent problems are arrising

[late swallow]

20% aura tuning passes

[vestal notch]

which isnt devs fault, i doubt they can choose which classes to focus on

[jolly geyser]

prolly miserable

[lone spear]

i think they just realised that this is a big project fit for an expansion

[upper surge]

@glass mortar liked it

[lone spear]

not a patch

[late swallow]

yeah we reminisce about s1 surv from time to time

[upper surge]

He wasn't any good at it

But he liked it

[lone spear]

i dont like tip of the spear surv

i preferred it in df

[upper surge]

Wth is that face

I don't like that

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[late swallow]

i liked sent in s1 a lot

it just made sense in keys

[lone spear]

i agree

[late swallow]

having to hold bombs in s2 so you don't proc the storm was so cringe

i get moving some power out of butchery

the bleed I mean

but the other changes were bad

[lone spear]

although holding bomb if storm was up soon (which needed a WA to track) was cringe

[vivid vessel]

it can be reworked simply by keeping the same design idea but removing the bugs tho, like having a clear difference in the icon when a buff is locked in, and then keeping them locked in forever till they expire
imagine if the icon had some sort of locked golden border

[lone spear]

i just want some more synergy in talents rather than anti-synergy

part of it comes down to crackshot dominating the rotation

[random stirrup]

maybe but i just feel they will remove all semblance of the old container logic

[lone spear]

but like, i think theres a way to fit stuff around it cause i do like the gameplay

[random stirrup]

i can easily foresee them making kir a very simple no weakaura press rtb on cd style thing where you just cannot lose buffs and gain duration on your existing ones

[late swallow]

idk I think CS is sick, and I wouldn't want them to take it out

it just works so well with ace

[vivid vessel]

how complex is a kir where you just keep the locked in buffs till they expire?

as long as the ui shows it

i dont see any issue

[lone spear]

yea same, i mean the main culprit is UHUH

this shit has got to go i mean it

its so toxic

[random stirrup]

you need to track the number of buffs you have in order to tell when to press kir, maybe the type of buffs at some point in the future

[vivid vessel]

How is that hard

[random stirrup]

idk people like ret paladin

[late swallow]

i think it got way easier with CTTC

plus with this tier bonus, we'll have like 100% AR uptime

[vivid vessel]

And not every spec need to be ret paladin

[late swallow]

for FB at least

[random stirrup]

i agree with you i just dont have faith in blizzard

i like kir

[covert heart]

They need to have difficult and easy specs. Like I think the rework for arcane is good example of keeping something difficult but cleaned it up

[vivid vessel]

i think there is some complexity that isnt fun on outlaw rn that you could remove

like gs

[lone spear]

yea, but in my idea of the spec going forward i would remove it, and have adr uptime cut to like 30-50%, but make the spec outside of adr feel good, it just feels better in adr

[vivid vessel]

and the whole trickster random bullshit

ub etc

[jolly geyser]

Ub is wank

[lone spear]

its always been wank

now its just supa wank

also still no way to track eb without a WA the fuck are we doing john blizzard

[covert heart]

I say I enjoy like 90% of the spec so far just some cleaning up would be nice

[random stirrup]

i think 100% ar should be the norm, but that the HO/kir divide should have ho easily easily maintaining it perfectly and kir requiring good play for it

its too cursed for new players to try the spec and just suffer with 30% ar uptime

[covert heart]

You def need to keep the apm about the same. Thats what fun about it

[jolly geyser]

2 ar charges,loktark said it in like df idfk

[covert heart]

This was def the first spec I had to read a shit ton about.

To get my ar to 90%

[lone spear]

i mean thats essentially what im advocating for, but rather than needing to keep uptime on boss to have the spec feel good to play, just make that the baseline (no adr, keep gcd at 1s, but make energy a non-issue unless ur legit spamming wrong buttons)

and have adr elevate the spec

[random stirrup]

even if energy is solved like that isnt the ar gcd reduction necessary to maintain momentum with buffs and such

[late swallow]

idk, I think I agree with ryldd about 100% being the norm with half decent play. molding outlaw gameplay outside of AR kind of undermines the uniqueness of outlaw. if any spec deserves some attention outside of cooldowns, it's probably sub imo

[random stirrup]

even if you have energy 1s gcd feels like molasses

[gaunt phoenix]

new tier

[covert heart]

I don't mind ar honestly gives it a skill cap

[covert heart]

Sweet thank you. Thats what I was assuming

[grave rose]

I am willing to bet, they just remove roll the bones all together. I could be wrong.

[lone spear]

you're advocating for new player friendliness, but u wanna keep high apm 100% of the time

[late swallow]

i think they should decouple SC from RTB

[lone spear]

that wont work man

[vivid vessel]

ye ok

[covert heart]

I am not advocating for a new player friendliness thats for ret and bm

Like arcane isnt new player friendly

[torpid fiber]

rtb is fun 😔

[random stirrup]

if they dont need to press something every 0.8s to maintain adr its fine

[grave rose]

realistically speaking, what do you think they're going to do to make the spec "accessible" to new players?

[random stirrup]

high apm is kind of core to the spec imo

[torpid fiber]

I'd rather lose substantial adr uptime than rtb entirely

[random stirrup]

removing the possibility to do so seems wrong rather than just lessening the punishment of screwing up

[covert heart]

Yea it the apm goes away ill just play survival again.

[lone spear]

i agree, if the spec was built for me then i'd have it be perma 0.8s, and not have to keep up a maintainence buff for it

but theres a reason we are so underplayed

[grave rose]

I dont care either way or really have much of an opinion. Just curious what people think they WILL do

[covert heart]

Rob kir reworks and shit

Or some kind of adr rework that's all I could think of

[grave rose]

We can assume at some level they have to simplify the spec right?

Or create a wild UI for just outlaw and RtB

[covert heart]

I don't think simplify it 2 much

[vivid vessel]

the cooldown manager should handle being able to separate some buffs

[lone spear]

gameplay decisions dont need simplicity, we're like middle of the pack there

[vivid vessel]

i dont think you need a wild ui

[lone spear]

but mechanically we are among the hardest

[vivid vessel]

just a separate bar for rtbs

[random stirrup]

my opinion from talking to people that have/have not played rogue/outlaw in the past is that its mostly roll the bones perceived rng and the difficult of maintaining the adr gameplay loop/how awful it feels to not have adr up... on top of the regular rogue stuff of not having visual effects and such

[grave rose]

Ok, that makes sense. You think they will create a RtB bar for outlaw?

Or you just saying thats what they SHOULD do?

[covert heart]

They prob will

[lone spear]

i mean it is just too punishing to drop AR, but i dont think the answer is "make AR something u dont even need to think about, but still punishes you by making gameplay suck in downtime"

[grave rose]

they could, or they could just remove it entirelly from the spec. Plenty of threads on the forums asking them to do so. I dont think its completely out of the realm of possibility.

Not saying thats what I want.

[lone spear]

just make the gameplay fun at a baseline, then have adr make it more fun. it was similar to that in s1 df and that was litty

[random stirrup]

i suspect theyll either make adr 100% near guaranteed or gut it entirely so that it barely matters and rework rtb in some way. i just hope they keep a more difficult build that doesnt guarantee everything so you still have something to work towards

[covert heart]

Id just look at what they did to arcane and prob take points from that

Like the spec is still the same just a little less complicated

[normal forge]

rtb mechanic is cool, they just need to give 5 buffs more often

[grave rose]

Wasnt paying attention to arcane, how did they simplify it?

[lone spear]

rtb should be the thing we play around imo, not adr and vanish

like crackshot sure, but uhuh is annoying

[covert heart]

Removed some fluff while keeping the difficulty there

And it made it smoother

[chilly atlas]

how is uhuh annoying?

[grave rose]

Are you able to play it without a complicated weak aura?

[covert heart]

No

Or it has a lot of wa

Atleast from the arcane players I know its not playable without wa

[random stirrup]

i think its funny seeing people like azuna still using the barrage wa

very successful decomplication for sure

[lone spear]

it essentially makes it so that adr uptime is the highest priority thing, and that any time spent not in stealth is bad

it is more a syptom of the larger problem of adr uptime

[covert heart]

I think adr is only a problem for me when tanks chain pull with 1 mob that has half health

[random stirrup]

yea that part of flying downtime or whatever being so cursed should probably be fixed

[chilly atlas]

it's very simple tho

[random stirrup]

hit the mob cuh

[lone spear]

i mean simplicity aside, from a gameplay level it sucks, because i dont have a choice on uptime

and it punishes me by having literal less fun, the thing we come to outlaw for is fast paced action

[random stirrup]

last boss workshop 8 second unavoidable stun that you either hold cds for (on the always send cds insta spec) or suffer

[lone spear]

and dropping adr feels like im playing ass rogue without venemous wounds

[random stirrup]

siege of boralus/grim batol bosses jumping away to do some rp shit

its already bad enough for a flat damage profile spec to lose uptime like that it shouldnt also grief your future damage

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[lone spear]

true, i just need to have that sweet spot where adr is still running just until downtime starts

and its up for when downtime ends

whats this i didnt get true bearing from my roll?

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

idk i feel like im dooming, i love the spec and the gameplay, i just wish it wasnt so warped by uptime

[normal forge]

uuh sucks balls

for me uuh should be baseline

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-south-park-colère-angry-gif-2532740873940649311

[glass mortar]

Yea sure that's why u guys assigned pi to me 24/7

[upper surge]

[grave rose]

So do we think they'll make custom containers for each spec or just dumb them all down to Ret pally and call it a day?

I have no idea, curious what everyone thinks theyll actually do

[lone spear]

theyll just make the buff tracker better, and make anything that needs to be tracked trackable

[cinder relic]

There is 0 world they dumb every spec down to ret paladin

[normal forge]

i just levels a ret and a fdk to 80 and fdk seems more dumb down than ret to me

[late swallow]

can we get a Guy finger cam?

[grave rose]

how do you think they'll make roll the bones approachable for new players? When and when not to hit the button is probably what most people struggle with

[cinder relic]

There is a difference between current outlaw and ret paladin

[gaunt phoenix]

i think rtb is approachable, wacky kir shit is not

[mighty pivot]

the builtin cooldown manager is already fairly decent for outlaw fwiw

[cinder relic]

there are ways to simplify things without turning everything very simple

[grave rose]

What do you think they'll do is what Im asking, I have no idea honestly.

[cinder relic]

Probably nothing lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i would guess they will change kir in some way

[bitter schooner]

nothing ever happens

[grave rose]

Or have some in game indicator when to push it right?

[covert heart]

If they made every spec paladin level I think like 75% of the player would quit 🤣

[willow portal]

What can i do to prevent those "no proc only 1 cp per ss" streaks?

[grave rose]

I think 75% of the players dont touch any content where any of that matters.

[willow portal]

Worst feeling to have a pull and then have to press 5 ss or sth to use a finisher

[cinder relic]

If anything kir would be changed yeah

[covert heart]

I feel like everyone is over thinking what they said about outlaw they will prob do nothing or something very slight to make it less messy

[gaunt phoenix]

well they can't "tell you" how to use KIR because the rules are invented by the community

for all they know you slam kir on cd

[jolly geyser]

maybe outlaw becomes another shadow priest

[grave rose]

I would assume thats what new players might do

[jovial dome]

It’s the way of the ‘law

[cinder relic]

Yeah idk ppl for some reason saw ion said "outlaw is too hard to play without weakauras" and people interpret that as "every spec will be turned into ret/bm"

[normal forge]

its very frustrating player rogue if u dont know it

playing*

[mighty pivot]

it's because of dooming/clickbait content that was created following that too

[covert heart]

I said if anything they do what they did to arcane keep the complexity but helped make it less messy

[willow portal]

Makes me feel more "out" than "law" tho

[grave rose]

We can assume that Outlaw will change in some way from that statement, becoming Ret Pally is the extreme of that change

[cinder relic]

What clickbait content

You invented this in your head

There was no clickbait being made saying "Outlaw turning into the next bm"

[mighty pivot]

no

[proper kiln]

btw how's rtb on ptr without the current 4pc? back to rolling 2s for half of the dungeon?

[cinder relic]

This is a narrative invented by this discord

[mighty pivot]

you misunderstood

[willow portal]

You roll more than 2s?

[late swallow]

RH is dope at psyops

[willow portal]

I keep getting 1s

[mighty pivot]

I am talking about people calling the death of addons

[normal forge]

single btn ret is the best thing u can get today, and maybe boomie

[placid harbor]

How easy is outlaw to learn

[lone spear]

since KiR is the meta, itll be like it was in season 1

[sullen nimbus]

To be completely fair, they did actually turn frost dk into ret paladin

[grave rose]

depends on the spec u go with, HO is pretty easy I think

[cinder relic]

Ah

[covert heart]

It took me about 2 days of gameplay to get decent at it

[cinder relic]

I mean we can read the ion quote specifically if you want

[willow portal]

I started playing last saturday and i think i understand it a bit. I was able to join 8/8 mythic clear and barely died with that knowledge

[cinder relic]

"How are you suppose to play outlaw with base UI"
"We either need to display the information better, simlify the mechanics, or both"

[gentle sky]

whot ar we siming in ST on ptr ? anyone know

[grave rose]

right, so my thinking with outlaw is it will be a bit of both

[placid harbor]

Noice boys gunna give it a shot today lol pray for me (sub enjoyer)

[covert heart]

Could also just be nothing

[cinder relic]

I think Outlaw has room to be made simpler without it being Ret/BM

[mighty pivot]

yes and (some) people reacted as if it will only be simplifying and that addons will cease existing

[cinder relic]

Theres a happy medium between current outlaw from undermine and BM hunter

[grave rose]

absolutely, becoming BM is the extreme end of making the spec simpler

[lone spear]

i think its important he mentioned "perfectly" as well

[proper kiln]

if they make rtb to give a nice bonus and not punish you if you get shit rolls and not make the whole spec play around it, that would be nice.

[grave rose]

to make outlaw BM or Ret, it would have to be completely gutted and rebuilt, I dont see that happening

[cinder relic]

Ion also said right before this quote that "we dont want to reinvent Outlaw because a lot of people like how it is rn

[lone spear]

so we can assume hes refferring to stuff like container buffs and EB

[grave rose]

didnt Dratnos say that?

[cinder relic]

It might have been but I think Ion agreed with it

[grave rose]

I think he just jumped into the qoute you just posted

Id have to watch it again to be sure.

He kinda dodged Dratnos' statement a bit

[vapid kelp]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lone spear]

i mean im down for changes bro gimmie some more pirate shit to hook the masses

steal more from league, i want gankplank barrels

i want to get drunk

[vivid vessel]

imagine gankplank barrels and its a nameplate you have to target

[lone spear]

and its a totem so cant be AoE'd

[silver sluice]

could make KS auto hit any barrels you've dropped for extra dmg or something, but dropping a 'totem' as outlaw sounds cursed

could be a cool payoff for dropping as many totems between ks uses or something though

[mighty pivot]

"your PS will ricochet to any nearby barrels"

[lone spear]

[silver sluice]

unironically there are a lot of things they can do to lean into pirate/ghost pirate stuff and keep the specs main ideas/flow - they just gotta spend time to DO them

just isn't happening atm

[lone spear]

yea, i mean there is prescident of a "hit secondary target u spawned to do damage" ability

prismatic crystal from wod for mage

i think thats what it was called

[jolly geyser]

"your blind will now flashbang your group"

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[jolly geyser]

imagine bright white monitor 3 in the night

[lone spear]

dude if i was in charge of wow i would just add the funniest shit

game would crash and burn

but still itd be funny

[jolly geyser]

wow needs april fools

like ow

[grave rose]

thats why you work at Arbys

jp

[lone spear]

no arbys in australia

rekt nerd

[grave rose]

good, its awful

unless you want to shit yourself

[lone spear]

we have kfc for that all good

[grave rose]

Taco bell is basically an enema

[red zinc]

Make every paladin ability blind the whole raid

[lone spear]

we have like 2 taco bells in the country or sumtin

its trash theres a diff mex chain that clears it

[jolly geyser]

wake of ashes gonna cause attacks

[grave rose]

Id be interested to see what Australian Mexican food is like

[lone spear]

its probs giga inauthentic

[grave rose]

Crocodile tacos

[lone spear]

but we have good quality beef so

[jolly geyser]

wake of ashes one of the best buttons to press ingame

[mighty pivot]

spider burrito

[lone spear]

i want outlaw to have a button like that, big damage baboom

[jolly geyser]

KS should be that

[lone spear]

KS is sorta like that now

[red zinc]

Wrong

If we’re down bad EVERYONES down bad

remove wake of ashes

[jolly geyser]

no

I like wake

[lone spear]

man just wants to see the world burn

i can respect the hustle

[jolly geyser]

make aug meta

[grave rose]

"Ill take the platypus burrito with a side of funnel web fries"

[lone spear]

i have never seen a platypus irl

[mighty pivot]

give all classes 5 buttons but they have to press them to a rhythm to accumulate multiplier, and if they miss a note button they lose their multiplier

[grave rose]

good the male are poisonous

[lone spear]

its like seeing a beaver

[jolly geyser]

saw hedgehog 3m from me at 03.00

[lone spear]

foe americans

[lone spear]

like beavers are doing beaver shit they aint just in the backyard

[grave rose]

Funny you mention that

[jolly geyser]

bober

[lone spear]

apparently they go crazy hearing running water

forces them to build dams

[vale warren]

bober kurwa

[grave rose]

I was fishing, two beavers just hanging the fuck out eating leaves

[red zinc]

WE all want ks on every class

[jolly geyser]

black powder on ass

[lone spear]

timmy you're evil

we love our fellow wow players

we dont want them to suffer

except for moonkins

[upper surge]

Fuck boomies

[jolly geyser]

always target them 1 in pvp

something just tells me to kill em

reckful prolly said fuck moonkins and it stuck

[fervent garden]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-castiel-awkward-silence-misha-collins-crickets-gif-12750613

[frail veldt]

theyre venomous

[grave rose]

fair enough

[frail veldt]

like a snek

[tight kernel]

Yo

Who can peep some logs

and tell me what Im fucking up

I cannot get a clean mug parse

to save my life

[mild vigil]

mug'zee is a really hard fight to get a high parse on imo, there are times where you have to hold KS where other teams might not have had to

[grave rose]

I would always get fucked with a mechanic and lose AR

[tight kernel]

Yeah idk been getting 93s but I feel like thats due to my misplay

[mild vigil]

gets a 93, thinks he's misplaying

brother that's really good

the difference between a 93 and a 100 on outlaw is RNG on top of RNG

you have the rng of your class / spec, then rng of mechanics, then rng of how fast your team is pushing the boss

which also effects frequency of getting chosen for mechanics if you're pushing faster

[toxic star]

what am i missing on ptr, killing spree seems to grant combo points based on time channeled?

[mild vigil]

yeah and you cancel at 7 CP with BtE or Dispatch

[gaunt phoenix]

it does give 1cp per 0.5s

/ haste

[toxic star]

wheres that behaviour documented

its not in the tooltip

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe they show the wrong one

[toxic star]

nnvm im just blind

tf

such weird design

[blazing bloom]

Do any of you recall how long it took you to feel comfortable on outlaw?? Your boy is struggling.. I won’t give up and I’m probably only two weeks in but I want to feel comfortable so bad haha

[mild vigil]

as long as it takes for you to build the muscle memory to play the spec

outlaw can't be played like other classes where you follow a mostly predetermined rotation

just keep at it and you'll get there

trust

[gaunt phoenix]

i started in bfa prepatch

[white marten]

Yooo same

[mild vigil]

I started in DF S1

[white marten]

BFA A+ tier expac

[remote pecan]

I started in tbc

[desert tendon]

I started in vanilla phase 2

[remote pecan]

I was a war in vanilla

[desert tendon]

I was so good at snd and wait

[willow portal]

I started last week

[remote pecan]

God damn I'm old

[willow portal]

Already got some big logs

[remote pecan]

Huge

[random stirrup]

🔥

[sudden fulcrum]

Gamer

[mild vigil]

hey listen you're killing bosses, so long as you're not dead on the floor you can make progress

[willow portal]

Was only dead for 2 bosses

[random stirrup]

you can call yourself the 550th best outlaw rogue in the world

[willow portal]

Wait what

[random stirrup]

💯

[frank finch]

[willow portal]

How is that number so high

[random stirrup]

[mild vigil]

b/c that's the number of outlaw rogues that have killed gally

[random stirrup]

you can see your sprocket is rank 437 for example

welcome to outlaw

[mild vigil]

we're playing the least popular class on the least popular spec

[willow portal]

I guess i will miss tank logs going forward

[random stirrup]

not true!

[mild vigil]

enjoy having to figure out for yourself how everything works b/c you can't account for statistics with such a low amount of samples

[willow portal]

Kinda weird as outlaw seems giga tanky and should be way more common with that

[random stirrup]

sub is even lower

[willow portal]

I like feral too

[mild vigil]

sub is less popular but it is often stronger in raids due to it having burst

sadly

[willow portal]

Is there a way to know what to use feint on?

[mild vigil]

outlaw is also one of the hardest specs in the game to play, and unless you're really good people are reluctant to bring you

does it do aoe damage? is it from a circle on the ground?

you press feint

[gaunt phoenix]

look at that neck ! ! ? !

that's some good shit

[willow portal]

Ok but like what is aoe damage

[mighty pivot]

it's actually insane how popular ret is for a single dps spec class

[willow portal]

When boss aoes dots for example

[desert tendon]

You re some good shit solo

[mild vigil]

alright I'm getting baited

[willow portal]

Thats not feint right

[desert tendon]

[light dune]

correct

just go elusiveness and feint everything if you want

[mild vigil]

true!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964684464817070160/1389283340414222406/0630-01_1751301135495.gif

[frank finch]

[willow portal]

Is evasion something that helps outsides of potentiell wipe preventing when tank falls over?

[gaunt phoenix]

some aoe physical attacks can be dodged

[mild vigil]

if you're getting melee'd it can help for a second until it does a tank buster

[gaunt phoenix]

unfortunately it is case by case if something can be evasioned or not

[light dune]

it dodge stuff like cleft first boss frontal, 1st miniboss whirlwind in TOP, jagged quarrel, etc etc

yeah just gotta try to evasion stuff and run cheat for science if it doesnt work out

[willow portal]

If raidlead calls for personals i dont have anything specific for thst right? I would have to figure out if any defs match that damage type or just not use any

[mighty pivot]

in dungeons there are several things you can evasion per dungeon

but in raids probably way fewer

[mild vigil]

you're playing trickster so you press evasion if you need to

cloak if you are assigned it or need to

feint everything else

[light dune]

you can evasion bombs on mugzee and thats about it for raid evasions right

[mild vigil]

crimson vial preemptively to a big hit to get it ticking

[willow portal]

Gally feels like a perma feint case

[mild vigil]

gally is feint everything

[willow portal]

Are the electro ground things in last phase gally feint able?

[mild vigil]

yeah but like, don't touch them

if you're playing trickster on that fight, pre-feint every time you're going to press KS in P2 & P3

it will often put you in the lightning

🙂

[willow portal]

Pressing ks

Nah

[mild vigil]

well you should learn trickster regardless

[gaunt phoenix]

no vers helm in the entire tier

[willow portal]

I am playing trickster

[light dune]

Pay off a healer player to insta dispell you when KS puts you on an orb

[random stirrup]

deathstalker is the one that gets evasion dr not trick

[willow portal]

I mean at this point in season i probably will just xhill and not ks on bosses where it would get me killed

Only a few weeks until safety anyway

[random stirrup]

in raid u play cheat and feint everything then look at logs to see what it works on

[light dune]

honestly only way you die on gally is intermission lightnings

and cheat lets you live one of those

[random stirrup]

ur unlikely to die unless u screw up drastically with cheat and rogue survivability

[tight kernel]

is the diff in vex 100 parse just kill time?

[willow portal]

Big vers has me feeling safe

[frank finch]

patch confirmed today

[dim widget]

that in raid or dungeon pool?

[gaunt phoenix]

Raid

[dim widget]

which boss nr

roundabout

early mid late?

finnaly good stats for us

[mild vigil]

can't wait for 0 outlaw changes

[vivid vessel]

I dropped it on ptr

Absolutely juiced

[mild vigil]

best part about a neck like that is that we're the only spec that wants it

that I can think of at least

[mighty pivot]

what a relief, they can finally deliver the much needed warlock and hunter buffs

[mild vigil]

so true

maybe another DK or mage essay

[vivid vessel]

Link noob

[gaunt phoenix]

3rd boss (?)

soulbninder nazi

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/psa-the-ptr-is-not-down-dornogal-is-2137094

[vivid vessel]

Wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

that's her name

[vivid vessel]

Wtfff

[gaunt phoenix]

Do you have that trinket top gear you ran like 4 days ago

[vivid vessel]

ye

one sec

[vivid vessel]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qZdQDb8wdwFMpRwHJAiGU5

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[red zinc]

To get loot from this boss you have to correctly pronounce the name

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[red zinc]

not that bad actually

worse on first glance

Whats the most keyboard spam looking npc/boss name in wow

[vivid vessel]

idk how you guys know the name of bosses

even end boss i forget

[desert tendon]

Lmao

[red zinc]

zac ur gettin too old for this man

[desert tendon]

Knowing boss names

[vivid vessel]

bro

knowing boss name

is crazy nerd behavior

[red zinc]

its like voldemort

or wait

[brisk meadow]

cant react to a 0.4 sec proc cant remember names

[vivid vessel]

its like

[red zinc]

Wrong reference

[brisk meadow]

[vivid vessel]

dragon one

dragon 2

dragon 4

idk

[red zinc]

Whats the thing where you say its name and he dies

[vivid vessel]

dude with big axe

dude with mace

dude with huge sword

[desert tendon]

Star dude

[vivid vessel]

dude that does the big ass thing

star dude

fire man

[red zinc]

zac

[desert tendon]

Evil guy

Council

[vivid vessel]

boss lady

[red zinc]

You look at logs so much

You know boss names

[vivid vessel]

haha

[desert tendon]

Vampire lady

[vivid vessel]

council is so funny

[red zinc]

jacking off over parses every day

[vivid vessel]

cause

[red zinc]

Dont be lyin

[vivid vessel]

ye

timmy

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

i have r1

on boss lady

[desert tendon]

Lies

[red zinc]

ok but

[vivid vessel]

you have r1 on boss lady?

no

[desert tendon]

I m r1

[vivid vessel]

skill issu

[red zinc]

do you have r1 on people blocking you on grindr in the month of july?

Didnt think so

[desert tendon]

I had r1 on dog dude and lady shit in nathria

Whatcha gunna du

[mighty pivot]

smol potat

[craggy barn]

why did this turn into a feral chanel

[balmy topaz]

How long has PTR been down for

[ashen void]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-its-been-a-long-time-rose-dewitt-bukater-titanic-gloria-stuart-gif-16850506

[mighty pivot]

Me when i wait for the new patch that will balance everything

[sudden fulcrum]

Me when I’m a dog

[mighty pivot]

good boy

[prime siren]

soft cap outlaw in today's build? #prayage

[prime hound]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[sonic locust]

I'm not sure where to ask this, but where could I find weakauras and ui tailored for outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sonic locust]

Thank you!

[plucky chasm]

I guess Sub feels the best on PTR

From all 3 specs

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1398235709021884468/LaloDrink.gif

[jolly geyser]

[covert heart]

Don't you only get to play sub every 2 minutes?

[frail veldt]

subs got pretty frequent cds nowadays

but in between them you are afk still yeah

but its a 1.5min spec now

with at least once dance in between so closer to 45s spec

but blades baseline is now 1.5min

which does mean you are HEAVILY prayin gfor a 1.5min cd trinket

[dim widget]

we love backstab simulator

[opal raven]

i can feel it guys its our time

[white marten]

Outlaw buffs soon

Stay tuned

[red zinc]

Clownamazi

All those clickbait thumbnails saying warlock on ptr is unplayable

[lime lake]

zac is washed unlucky

[autumn stag]

!wa\

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

you should be a youtuber and make posts like that

I bet it feels nice to have someone be a content creator for your class and have all your woes validated on the internet

en mass

[lime lake]

thats what this discord is for wdym

any time im on bottom of details i just come to this discord and remind myself im not the problem its the class

[red zinc]

do not look at raid logs on ptr

Warlock definitely needs buffs

[wintry solar]

I look at that screenshot of the sinister strikes and no ace procs

And go

"Yeah I can't outplay that when it happens to me. You win some, lose some."

Ace of Spades popped into my head while typing that. Love motorhead.

[white marten]

We rollin sub, eh bois?

[wintry solar]

I am until I get bored of it

[white marten]

So youre gonna play sub for about 2 weeks? Got it.

[wintry solar]

About 10 minutes into a delve realistically

I loathe the specs I share the class with

[white marten]

I like assa

Love outlaw

Could care less for sub

[daring oxide]

I just heard from one of the interns at blozzard hq, they said they've taken PTR to apply some hotfixes to change a single line of code to buff outlaw by 20%

big update INC

[lime lake]

[white marten]

I heard it was closer to 10% but they didnt say what. Could be aura maybe

[lime lake]

only 49% more to go

[white marten]

My uncle steve works there

[daring oxide]

they should buff BTE by 50%

just BTE

[white marten]

Maybe a 10% blade flurry buff

[daring oxide]

nah

if thye buff BTE

thats a BF buff

if u think about it

[wintry solar]

I think Vai is secretly a dev and he just posts stuff he wants to do to outlaw but isn't allowed.

[daring oxide]

and a ST buffer

[white marten]

KS too

BTE and KS

[daring oxide]

only way to buff KS is to remove the channel

[lime lake]

killing spree makes you summon pirate son

[wintry solar]

MBS

[white marten]

Makes you summon your squad of swashbucklers

[wintry solar]

MBPS

My Bastard Pirate Son

New anime dropped

[white marten]

Solo leveling good

[wintry solar]

Our greenie?

Yeah he's pretty good

[white marten]

Just heard from Steve. PTR notes within the next few hours

[mighty pivot]

popo why isn't the patch out yet? what kind of dev are you man

[wintry solar]

Me???

[mighty pivot]

you, the rogue dev

[wintry solar]

Oh I forgot to turn it on my b

Oopsies :3

Also guess what

I got a surprise for you

[mighty pivot]

is it a cat

[wintry solar]

Nope

[mighty pivot]

don't care then

[wintry solar]

It's nothing :>

[mighty pivot]

Here are my cats being bored because of no patch though

[lime lake]

c a t

[mighty pivot]

patch in 7 minutes or

[wintry solar]

You get nothing!

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-you-get-nothing-empty-good-day-sir-mad-gif-16171682

[frank finch]

patch notes 🥱

[wintry solar]

Imagine waiting for patch notes this late into the ptr cycle

We had our chance busters

[frank finch]

can still get excited at op spec nerfs

[lime lake]

any nerf to other specs is an indirect buff

[wintry solar]

Wrong

It's a nerf to my free carries to ksh

[covert heart]

Sorry to break it to yall its the build for 11.2.5

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[wintry solar]

Vai nooo

[daring oxide]

im dying inside

[wintry solar]

That's just age

[daring oxide]

gonna play outlaw being bottom of meters

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[wintry solar]

We've been in the trenches before. We're gonna have to get our feet wet.

[lime lake]

thats how you get trench foot

would not recommend

[covert heart]

We will get trench foot but its the risk I am willing to take

[stray star]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-cartman-casa-bonita-worth-it-totally-gif-11712761104853815373

[white marten]

Outlaw s tier anyways. We’re good

Just need fire, MM and Frost DK nerfs

[lime lake]

well fire nerfs wouldnt help

because any time one mage spec is nerfed another is buffed to take its place

[white marten]

Rather have arcane be top tbh

[lime lake]

i respect arcane mages slightly more at least

[white marten]

Only slightly more

Cant wait to pug with 400 bottom tier fire mage players on my way to 3k io

[lone crow]

lol

[vivid vessel]

that was last boss halls

idk if i even got that bad rng

its just how it is

[lone crow]

thats almost current season st btw

[vivid vessel]

hard boss tho for uptime a bit

[lone crow]

hahaha

[frank finch]

your rng was bad yea

[vivid vessel]

i mean i do more occasionally

[frank finch]

went forever to use kir

[white marten]

Sub best funnel spec for rogue?

[leaden sonnet]

No, sub barely have any funnel

Its assa by a huge amount

[vivid vessel]

sub is like outlaw rn

just st