And got bullied out of the discord
#outlaw
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Haha
civic zephyr
ill do my 12s and call it a season LMAO
vivid vessel
I hope our phys comp stays good enough for next season
It's not looking great for now xd
civic zephyr
maybe ill get back into the game fully again
vivid vessel
Only brew is looking like it's gonna be blasting
pliant wind
This happened to me i was top 3 nearly half of the season of my region and i got insta 4th in 1 day of someone who doesnt even existed in the ranks (outlaw)
vivid vessel
This happened to me i was top 3 nearly half of the season of my region and i got...
Skill issue no cap
pliant wind
Thats fkd up
stone vault
im just accepting becoming a casual shitter
thats my plan once i get title this season
i wanna chill next season
civic zephyr
I hope our phys comp stays good enough for next season
im sure theree will be more changes to keep phys comps viable and competing tbf, its good for the game to have a split in meta where there is more than 1 optimal comp for m+
mighty pivot
What a chad really dedicated
civic zephyr
like im just waiting for the ptr updates atp
waiting for good news or if im playing mage again
LMAO
vivid vessel
im sure theree will be more changes to keep phys comps viable and competing tbf,...
Yeeee idk lol
hasty warren
Can we hope for a KS rework before season start or we're in jail with having to cut it ?
toxic star
It's not looking great for now xd
what are the largest issues currently?
or is it just tuning
vivid vessel
im sure theree will be more changes to keep phys comps viable and competing tbf,...
Outlaw is worse than S2, feral is apparently kinda poop, and I won't talk about warrior
toxic star
id imagine brew + outlaw + rshaman are fine at least atm
vivid vessel
or is it just tuning
Ye mostly tuning
pliant wind
waiting for good news or if im playing mage again
Wah, same here i changed from outlaw to arcane
vivid vessel
But we are losing a lot of prio damage as far as I understand aswell
pliant wind
But i felt bad
civic zephyr
Outlaw is worse than S2, feral is apparently kinda poop, and I won't talk about ...
warrior has been doomed for forever, only redeeming factor is they bring a buff overall, idk feral ive never played or kept up with it
vivid vessel
Outlaw is losing some prio damage and as far as I understand feral had some sort of funnel tier or whatever idk
toxic star
oh thats reminds me
toxic star
does new KS also have the absorb/dr stagger effect?
hasty warren
Outlaw is worse than S2, feral is apparently kinda poop, and I won't talk about ...
My fury main is going insane atm for not getting buffs
civic zephyr
Wah, same here i changed from outlaw to arcane
i wanna get away from arcane, its been the meta spec for too long
vivid vessel
does new KS also have the absorb/dr stagger effect?
No, no anti root either
toxic star
thats a 
pliant wind
i wanna get away from arcane, its been the meta spec for too long
Yeah, im thinking of fire now
civic zephyr
new KS is also kinda doomer rn
vivid vessel
Imagine if we kept the stagger 
toxic star
exactly
hasty warren
does it still slow us ?
civic zephyr
Yeah, im thinking of fire now
fire is "good" as of rn, but arcane is still just better overall
toxic star
just macro sprint to ks 
vivid vessel
But also why does it slow
civic zephyr
tho i kinda suck at fire in raid LMAO never played it enough to learn it, maybe nows my time to try
hasty warren
But also why does it slow
I think Blizz hate us and wanted to tell it
civic zephyr
But also why does it slow
idk cos its aids, why is it now a 3m main cd, with negativess
vivid vessel
My fury main is going insane atm for not getting buffs
Fury being 5 target capped anyway is kinda doomer always
pliant wind
I dont like ks new animation tbh, even if its more safe, i dont get a lot that cp gen, cd and all
vivid vessel
At least 8 is like a decent number
If you open mdt most packs are around that range
8 to 10 kinda
5 is uh
red zinc
No just too much text for my hungover ass to understand
vivid vessel
Ye
red zinc
im sure you got it twin
minor trellis
there's a fixed apl for sin??
hasty warren
Fury being 5 target capped anyway is kinda doomer always
Y when fury was playable it was realy strong at this range
now it's just bad everywhere
civic zephyr
i liked SL fury tbh
minor trellis
Personal apl he cooked with his massive brain ye
holy fork zeros does have a huge brain
vivid vessel
It's crazy how specs manage to catch raid nerfs while being complete dogshit in m+
minor trellis
i wish i could just cook up apls in my spare time
vivid vessel
And nothing is done
I wish we could have separate tuning one day
I feel like until this happen m+ tuning will always be trash
hasty warren
It's crazy how specs manage to catch raid nerfs while being complete dogshit in ...
I still don't get why there's not two tuning for pve
raid nerfs should not impact m+
mighty pivot
They somewhat do that with specific abilities. Like heals which do more when there are only 5 targets. But that's such a strange way to handle it
vivid vessel
Nah but
hasty warren
It's not like there were already doing two tubing for pve and pvp
vivid vessel
For example
stone vault
i wonder if you swapped brew with prot warrior and dps warrior with ww to fit in the physical comp
in s2 atleast
vivid vessel
Outlaw has such issues imo
stone vault
wouldve been interesting
vivid vessel
With pc talent being completely broken in raid
And being a normal talent in m+
I think any time we can play pc in raid our AOE will suffer in m+ cause of it
civic zephyr
i genuinely think outlaw needs a rework, mastery/talents and shit
vivid vessel
And it already have started with the bf "nerf"
hasty warren
outlaw is not that good in raid exept when there's adds
vapid blaze
yeah i prefer when outlaw was you have some cleave but always do decent-good st in raid
nomatter if you went aoe or not
gaunt phoenix
fuck pc !
vivid vessel
I think pc is extremely problematic
hasty warren
i like pc
vivid vessel
In m+ you are basically Perma above cap, or just under and it's a fine talent to increase your aoe
vapid blaze
but no pc is also kinda weird
when you are somewhat undertuned you just dont do anything
vivid vessel
In raid it's always very low target cleave
We do realize we cleave 3/4 targets at 100% guys
Going from 45% bf to 100% at low target is crazy
vapid blaze
is that with gm?
vivid vessel
Wonder how they can balance that against m+ ( they can't)
vivid vessel
is that with gm?
Ye
old python
sorry trying to follow convo but i'm stuck at what pc stands for
gaunt phoenix
precise cuts
vapid blaze
if pc had different scaling (less gain at 2-4, but more at 5-7) it would be alot better
hasty warren
sorry trying to follow convo but i'm stuck at what pc stands for
precise cut
vivid vessel
yeah idk outlaw low target aoe is turbo broken
Ye but that's irrelevant till you get in raid
old python
Cheers
vapid blaze
well in keys its def very nice when you get the occasional 2 target boss xD
vivid vessel
It has similar value to normal AOE talents some specs get
Ye
But like in raid idk
Xd
edgy phoenix
is ks still 3 min worth canceling
vivid vessel
Ye
vapid blaze
like its def needed
to have some better bf % on lower target count
vapid blaze
cause wtf is a hardcapped spec that isnt even good at lower target counts
vivid vessel
like its def needed
to have some better bf % on lower target count
It also is still a 15% DPS increase on 7 target or some shit
The talent is good
vivid vessel
I hope they don't fix cancelling ks thing
vapid blaze
yeah i think they should just change its scaling
vivid vessel
That's litteraly the only thing that feels good about it
civic zephyr
we gave them all the feed back they needed within 2 days of it being on ptr tho tbf
vapid blaze
some specs have reverse scaling (like rdruid mastery)
hasty warren
with a route where u do small packs it's realy good
vapid blaze
so it would be 5% for the first 3 targets you miss
and then get worse or smth
hasty warren
top with pc was wild also
vapid blaze
is it?
vivid vessel
Not really lol
vapid blaze
its a good padder boss
frank finch
penultimate
edgy phoenix
platforms bos szac
frank finch
2 target cleave
vivid vessel
Ye you have adds for like 5% of the fight
Oh that
Ye idk
You have so much downtime and you have a damage amp and shit
And it's only 2t for a little bit i think right
edgy phoenix
warlock boss
vivid vessel
Idk how it works ngl
vapid blaze
but even the 4th? boss (the first one that was tested on heroic)
hasty warren
destru on 2 target
vapid blaze
outlaw prob insane for overall
but you just end up stealing damage from others no?
civic zephyr
press havoc and pew
frank finch
how sick would it be that our best boss might be the optional boss
vivid vessel
outlaw prob insane for overall
but you just end up stealing damage from others n...
The one that pop damage amped adds?
Ye that boss is crazy
I was dead last on boss damage
vapid blaze
idk dude
but like
why play outla w and have 0 boss damage
hasty warren
how sick would it be that our best boss might be the optional boss
optional ?
vapid blaze
could just play idk
anything else
do more boss damage
still kill adds in time
frank finch
optional ?
soul hunters
vivid vessel
Nah that boss is weird
vapid blaze
its like stix
where i get to pad away add damage
it doesnt actually change anything
hasty warren
soul hunters
I mean we're don't have to kill it ?
vivid vessel
It's not a great stacked cleave fight
hasty warren
I don't spoil the raid yet
frank finch
they busy jumping around like that boss in admidrisal
vapid blaze
i liked the healing absorb mechanic
was fun on pres 🙂
hasty warren
I want to heal next raid but we're already full heal 
vapid blaze
healing is chill
halcyon elm
healing is the based role
pliant wind
I like healing in m+, in raid zzzz
vapid blaze
idk depends on spec
healing gally p1 on evoker is really cool 🙂
hasty warren
i'm playing holy priest in raid
vapid blaze
ok thats zzzzz
hasty warren
ok thats zzzzz
for me real sleeping spec is rsham
the true ennemi id not the boss but ur mana bar
near rock
gaunt phoenix
dang
hybrid crown
I like PC even as HO getting rid of gs
It was better when it was easy to path into in DF but it's good now
civic zephyr
the question is, when can i get zac rogue wa for other classes
LMAO i love the style of the wa he uses for rogue and i might need it making for mage and stuff too LMAO
vivid vessel
Ye you pay me 500 euro I might consider making a mage one
Shits take so much time
Especially if you don't know the spec
Idk how the guys that do big weak aura pack for every spec in the game do it
civic zephyr
yeah idk either
im just memeing, i just love the rogue one
i cant imagine how hard those mfs are to make
vivid vessel
If you know the spec it's not that hard but it still takes a lot of time
covert kestrel
you can just make all bars d1, the font expressway, add spacing between icons, and add a border to other peoples WA packs and bam you have a zac pack
vivid vessel
That's not wrong
There is a guy that have similar packs to mine
Where you could do that
It's uh
Idk
You can find it
Smort guy you are
torpid fiber
Idk how the guys that do big weak aura pack for every spec in the game do it
tbf it's why those usually have random useful functionality missing sometimes
vivid vessel
ye true
gaunt phoenix
man
why dont they tune HO
do they think we are going to invent a new HO build again
sudden fulcrum
they think you are rerolling frost DK
vivid vessel
why dont they tune HO
if ho is bad then outlaw baseline is worse and we get buffed
good if you ask me
covert kestrel
why dont they tune HO
they took my propaganda to heart
gaunt phoenix
true
hybrid crown
This might be anecdotal but the average pug key do'er I've seen has played the KIR builds, oddly most of what I've seen are 1 point fth
gaunt phoenix
Yeah they copy from logs/archon
and don't think twice about it
which is also fine
hybrid crown
Like I thought ooh they are running 1 pt fth they must know their shit then they are really mid lol
This is just from poopy like 10-12 keys though
gaunt phoenix
Next faq I still just straight up recommend 1 fth
hybrid crown
Which to be fair is the 99%
I think if the difference is enough I'll switch
Like this season I was tilted doing keys as fatebound because it was so bad
Learned how to not die to ks
I can play KIR in raid
I don't like it for dungeons
willow portal
do rogues have an orderhall teleport?
gaunt phoenix
nop
sudden fulcrum
dalaran hearthstone
hybrid crown
I don't think any class can teleport to their order hall aside from mage right
radiant root
@gaunt phoenix if i want to play ho in PTR, should i go vigor instead of supercharge?
gaunt phoenix
druid? idr
hybrid crown
Oh yes
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> if i want to play ho in PTR, should i go vigor instead of ...
my understanding is that they are close
hybrid crown
I love how many technically correct answers there are to that lol
gaunt phoenix
1 vigor 2 lethality or supercharger
if you go supercharger, roll over any 2 buffs if loaded dice is active
1 vigor probably wants mildly less haste
hybrid crown
1 vigor 2 lethality means leeching poison 😍
vivid vessel
Solooook
radiant root
ty 🫡
vivid vessel
Np
gaunt phoenix
Solooook
covert kestrel
solcook
gaunt phoenix
zac are you in game
gaunt phoenix
No..
vivid vessel
Whyyy
gaunt phoenix
I want a droute that's like normal
vivid vessel
Hm
I think you do a priory but override first boss hp
With 2 bosses with same hp but half HP of the boss
And you have a good normal dungeon route thing
gaunt phoenix
i see
willow portal
I don't think any class can teleport to their order hall aside from mage right
^druidmonk
dk
all my past mains basically
mighty pivot
do they think we are going to invent a new HO build again
They forgor it exists. How do they even tune it other than touching HO % or ambush damage? Not sure if that's enough to close the gap
grim spear
Guys, is there any way to review your own rotation?
lone spear
do they think we are going to invent a new HO build again
bro says "we" like he didnt just come back from holiday and cook
dont leave us again sir
grim spear
I keep getting low scores on gally, but I can’t figure out why
lone spear
lone spear
I keep getting low scores on gally, but I can’t figure out why
send log if u want can look
hybrid crown
Would be hard to bring order halls back due to that
grim spear
send log if u want can look
lone spear
i havent done fatebound on the boss
i think trickster is more likely to produce good log based on what ive seen
though the current rank 1 is fatebound so idek xdd
hybrid crown
I've been running fatebound KIR to avoid KS deaths
I think if you can get a lot of KS off without dying trickster is for sure better
grim spear
ye trickster is better, but after getting myself killed several times
lone spear
lol yea fair
hybrid crown
But I'm doing better as FB because I can't find good times to send it
It's not like mugzee where you lose DPS going FB it's more competitive for this boss
I think it's like a 40 60 split favoring trickster
grim spear
But compared to better FBs, I’m way behind a lot
my total damage is only about the same as their boss damage.
lone spear
it can be the timing on your vanishes
if adds are bout to spawn, you can see if can hold it for that
gaunt phoenix
They forgor it exists. How do they even tune it other than touching HO % or ambu...
grim spear
if adds are bout to spawn, you can see if can hold it for that
we have 3 ret pal
lone spear
oof ye thatll hurt xdd
if your guild is going to continue having long kill timers
can consider equipping eye of kezan (if you have one)
grim spear
I used that during farm last week too, but it didn’t make much of a difference.
mighty pivot
Was it HO trickster that was way more behind its KIR counterpart?
gilded karma
aren't some other classes simming like 6M+ 💀
late swallow
hybrid crown
Outlaw is just the underdog just wait we get one knob turned and we are meta
mighty pivot
That's a way more significant change than I'd expect for just raising HO from 80 to 100% anyway
gaunt phoenix
Was it HO trickster that was way more behind its KIR counterpart?
HO Trickster is like 6%? behind in slice
hm on single target
it seems fatebound wanting killing spree helps HO not be lightyears behind
i guess HO likes KS more than KIR
With the extra haste
lone spear
is supercharger still much better than vigor?
lone spear
yea, just feels nice
maybe with HO buff it'll make that build the really chill laid back version
hybrid crown
Do we go back to liking low haste
gaunt phoenix
At least on ST it seems HO still likes a chunk of haste
yeh HO gains 3% from ks
while kir gains like nothing
wintry solar
I wonder why that is
gaunt phoenix
Well KS is faster as HO
vivid vessel
Well KS is faster as HO
Dispatcher and CTO more value for kir
Dispatch I mean have more value cause of these
I think
gaunt phoenix
ye idk
vivid vessel
It's in the bte row
Idk
It's ugly sure
But at least we get bte damage under dispatch I think it's better
Well the opposite sorry
covert kestrel
Ngl i dont like this
ew
gaunt phoenix
i guess i never look or care about the dmg breakdown in logs
only timeline
it's fine tho
vivid vessel
if i wanna see a timeline i throw it into wowA
wintry solar
Could you replace the two icons with a singular crackshot icon?
grim spear
Well KS is faster as HO
why ?
wintry solar
I imagine takem
gaunt phoenix
takem
blissful thunder
@gaunt phoenix https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276306860126900315
am i supposed to be able to type in here
vivid vessel
yes
blissful thunder
💀
vivid vessel
you can just say how much you like solo
blissful thunder
👍
does outlaw does functional prio dam?
feels like it should? but i dont really see it
seems like its just 8 tar aoe
blissful thunder
right, what are we losing in aoe over st then
vivid vessel
killing spree is rng targetting
blissful thunder
surely the bf globals dont contribute enough to warrant that much of a prio dam loss
ah
appreciado sir
vivid vessel
hte bf globals are net positive they give us cps
blissful thunder
mmm fair fair
do you ever press bf even with the buff up? ho/supercharger doesnt play deft manuvers
gaunt phoenix
not without deft
sacred saddle
precise cuts doesn't help your st damage while ghostly strike does as well
vale warren
Not if you have something better to press but if you're between packs/have downtime on a boss you might as well press it to refresh the buff
blissful thunder
👍
gucci
also rip i should have reacted with zac b4 the thread got locked
does supercharger reset on anything? can i just do the pre-key 2 stack in like dorn
sacred saddle
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
blissful thunder
right, says as you enter the dungeon, does it reset on instance change? or can i do it in dorn
gaunt phoenix
you can do it in dorn
blissful thunder
awesome ty
latent oak
u can prestack ks ubs in dorn aswell right
gaunt phoenix
not much
vivid vessel
I played too much
craggy kelp
craggy kelp
yeh HO gains 3% from ks
vivid vessel
With 1 fth I cant afford low rolling cuh
craggy kelp
vivid vessel
Solo profile is 710 still
gaunt phoenix
it's not
gaunt phoenix
so
vivid vessel
I have seen plenty of 6 mil sim tbf
craggy kelp
Yeah demo is 6.9
sudden fulcrum
there are 7m warlock sims
gaunt phoenix
should be ~40% dps
sudden fulcrum
vapid blaze
this is also what i mean
look he has good passive cleave now with stampede
gaunt phoenix
where are they printing damage from
vivid vessel
should be ~40% dps
Tiers are almost doubling in value for most tbf
Outlaw is gonna be so op ext tier bro tf
gaunt phoenix
blissful thunder
u can prestack ks ubs in dorn aswell right
i have no clue what this abbreviation means please elaborate
vapid blaze
whats mm up to
think they are insane now no
gaunt phoenix
the 2 unseen blades granted by ks
vapid blaze
the dark ranger rework was so sick
vivid vessel
<:Shrugeg:1267197056888606762>
25%
gaunt phoenix
can be prekey'd
gaunt phoenix
ye
blissful thunder
gucci
vapid blaze
nah 25% seems normal no
vivid vessel
Outlaw got a good one
craggy kelp
Most tiers are like 10%
vivid vessel
S3 is diff tho
But outlaw is going from a 15% tier to a 15% tier
While others are going from 10 to 25/30
Look at sub 
vapid blaze
yeah but i dont think 25% is a bad tier or smth
craggy kelp
It’s all relative
vapid blaze
maybe i misunderstood
gaunt phoenix
do they log into ptr and gain 42% dmg
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qzXoC1EZtHoxWhdQ7auv6A
vapid blaze
after getting 10% buffed 🙂
quaint mauve
seems broken
gaunt phoenix
it's not
quaint mauve
we’re gonna get nerfed dude
neat heart
I read the no mage tower appearance returning blue post but I’m confused as they said new appearances
neat heart
Do you guys read it as they’re getting new colors of mage tower?
wary bridge
is the big red circle new in halls of atonement?
dont remember that mechanic
vivid vessel
Which
mighty pivot
and that dps gain is just from the KS changes?
quaint mauve
there’s a lot of red circles in halls
mighty pivot
oh I guess they did the 10% ST / BF nerf
vivid vessel
Bf nerf 
mighty pivot
add killing spec was killing adds a bit too well
regal saffron
Bf nerf insane
vivid vessel
Me when blizzard put me in a niche
regal saffron
Utterly insane
vivid vessel
Then punish me everytime I'm good at that niche
I cannot do anything outside of my niche
regal saffron
Are they expecting outlaw to be relevant in raid that they tune it towards st?
vivid vessel
regal saffron
Then punish me everytime I'm good at that niche
Description of sub btw
flint palm
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
mighty pivot
it will be like playing assassination pulling adds with the boss to not suck
vivid vessel
Description of sub btw
Ok well we have been progging as sub for the past 30 tiers
flint palm
do we have an updated roll logic WA? (that tracks for the HO/SC or other talents chosen?)
vivid vessel
It's not like the spec was dog ass every tier
regal saffron
Ok well we have been progging as sub for the past 30 tiers
Still fits
gaunt phoenix
we've never really officially endorsed a weakaura that tells you to "reroll now"
and i've never tested the ones that do
flint palm
aight 
vivid vessel
Head better
mighty pivot
supposedly one of the "reroll now" WAs uses the correct rules (or so it says) but it doesn't feel necessary. zac's is great other than having to recolour the cringe yellow borders 
hardy thicket
Sub was shafted for two whole expacs cause of zul
it was shafted for 3 tiers come on now
vivid vessel
supposedly one of the "reroll now" WAs uses the correct rules (or so it says) bu...
Buddy
vapid blaze
idk isnt sub kinda good at what it does?
vivid vessel
Yellow is litteral perfect
gaunt phoenix
yellow is rogue color
vivid vessel
idk isnt sub kinda good at what it does?
Ye 
It's been dominating it's niche every tier kinda idk
The big burst shit
vapid blaze
arguably its the best at what it does
press cd's
do big burst
afk till cd's again
hows ds btw does anybody know 😄
keen belfry
Anything I’ve missed on wow news lately guys
gaunt phoenix
deathstalker?
vapid blaze
yeah is it still cringe on sub?
inland cairn
supposedly one of the "reroll now" WAs uses the correct rules (or so it says) bu...
just change the color yourself 
mighty pivot
that's what I said I did
inland cairn
reading is hard 
gaunt phoenix
vapid blaze
idk i like ds, but the evis to reapply is just dumb 😦
gaunt phoenix
never read what ds does and never will
vapid blaze
funneling
gaunt phoenix
yes, if you just log into ptr
same gear same talents
the only change is killing spree and tuning
keen belfry
Whats the ilvl sim in ptr vs live
gaunt phoenix
The point is that BM seems to print infinite damage by logging into ptr
mighty pivot
gaunt phoenix
according to their current simc implementation
keen belfry
Holy that’s sick
mighty pivot
just need to convince the hunter dev to switch sides
vapid blaze
they also get reworked every tier
vivid vessel
just need to convince the hunter dev to switch sides
No one will ever convince me
That
mighty pivot
quaint mauve
is there a way i can see how our tier set looks on different races
it looks kinda hideous atm
tribal heron
why is garfield such a hit here? :D
inland cairn
he's a hit everywhere
inland acorn
because
hollow temple
tribal heron
hollow temple
tribal heron
i see the way now
craggy kelp
Rogue players just garfing
violet bison
covert heart
quaint mauve
I think wowhead has something but idk
yeah i’m tryna find it
gaunt phoenix
inland acorn
yeah i’m tryna find it
vivid vessel
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
Derien
inland acorn
bottom left you can change race
covert heart
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
15% damage increase
toxic star
@vivid vessel leech
vivid vessel
wtff
vivid vessel
covert heart
Thats insane 🤣
white marten
covert heart
Taurens as rogues seems so silly to me 🤣
mighty pivot
it's time for a catgirl/boy race to be added
brisk meadow
Super alive
wintry solar
Lightforged undead when
jolly geyser
deadforged
mighty pivot
they won't add another race before they finish with the new spec... for rogues. Arcane trickster is almost ready for midnight 
sudden fulcrum
arcane trickster is the worst class in BG3
like, by a lot
it's hard to imagine how it would be good from my perspective
gaunt phoenix
bg3 mentioned
glass mortar
arcane trickster for when u wanna be shittier at rogue and shitter at magic then either a rogue or a mage
😠
shouldnt have bothered to have trickster or eldritch knight subclasses before they added the most recent patch tbh
booming blade goes hard
bladesinger and hexblade as well
mighty pivot
like, by a lot
yeah well then it's impossible for BlizZard to do worse, right? 
jolly geyser
spellbreaker class
sudden fulcrum
bg3 mentioned
you might like making BG3 mods. you can do it in Lua! i am assuming you have some programming capability based on your involvement with sims
vapid blaze
zac what trinkets do you usually play on ptr?
wide flare
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
gaunt phoenix
you might like making BG3 mods. you can do it in Lua! i am assuming you have som...
i wish i liked bg3 more
sudden fulcrum
i have like 1000h played but i can't do anymore
gaunt phoenix
😨
glass mortar
we just lost me and my 2 friends honor mode run last weekend
gaunt phoenix
skill issued it seems
glass mortar
someone set off a trap that knocked the entire party off a cliff while we were eating lunch
sudden fulcrum
glass mortar
everyone else was just following afk
gaunt phoenix
nice
glass mortar
we knew the trap was there too the guy just forgot to enter turn based mode so the trap triggered twice before he could turn it off
this is why you dont smoke and play hardcore modes kids
gaunt phoenix
these fucking
rem emotes
Are invading
I see them every day
Garfield is superior i fear
@haughty wigeon thoughts
sudden fulcrum
mighty pivot
looks awfully familiar to something sussy 
gaunt phoenix
😨
wintry solar
looks awfully familiar to something sussy <:Susge:844558077842817024>
I haven't thought of that in almost a decade
I knew it looked familiar
sharp hinge
Zeross went yellow
jolly geyser
proven ocean
proven ocean
gaunt phoenix
nice
proven ocean
Unlucky
sudden fulcrum
proven ocean
proven ocean
A cat that eats
I just decided to write it the opposite way
Still means the opposite way u read it too
jolly geyser
jolly geyser
Zeross eating cats
sharp hinge
<a:banthisguy:1392337168449671188>
jolly geyser
sudden fulcrum
there are people that run an addon to count the number of group finder applications/declines
the petty people are out there
sharp hinge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315079745098350592/1396900690801987755/im...
always the huntards
fossil pagoda
will hekili work in 11.2 ?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
fossil pagoda
i thougt they would change some addons
gaunt phoenix
that's later like next expansion or two
thorn river
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
quaint mauve
suffer eternal damnation or invite a mage to ur group
vivid vessel
haha
gaunt phoenix
i admit i asked zero about avoidance because i knew it would be 3 hours of yap
mighty pivot
actual wowhead post
vivid vessel
they do tho
disclose a list of their employees
with their roles
which can be a bit broad maybe but not that much tbh
covert heart
Now if they actually do them is an actual question
vivid vessel
do what
covert heart
Their job in their role
gaunt phoenix
we know nothing about their work
glass mortar
between 1 and 24
vivid vessel
you could argue there are some engineers and shit that helps
but like
they are all there
covert heart
Rogues have devs for class design?
covert heart
Ohh interesting
vivid vessel
been mostly 0 lately
covert heart
🤣
inland acorn
between 0 and 24
covert heart
gaunt phoenix
Yeah we know nothing about what the designers are really instructed to do
vivid vessel
Ye that's for sure
glass mortar
all we know for sure is that
vivid vessel
But we know how many devs there is that works on classes
glass mortar
at the end of the day the ones really pulling the strings for buffs and nerfs are the shareholders
and foreverguy holds at least 50% of blizzards shares so
😠
covert heart
They prob roll a d20 die or throw darts to figure out what to do
glass mortar
man that was a legendary ryu statement ngl
the shareholders will live with me forever
im just imagining a chart that shows profits and a board room of geriatrics and then on the graph its just like "+15% mage??? hunter -5%. Vengeance buffs?????"
mighty pivot
They prob roll a d20 die or throw darts to figure out what to do
half the board must be mage and hunter buffs then
covert heart
half the board must be mage and hunter buffs then <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456...
The other specs split the rest
wintry solar
Mage buffs are the equivalent to financial aid to israel
gaunt phoenix
😨
wintry solar
Udk is strong? Send an extra 10% to mage IMMEDIATELY
frank finch
covert heart
I swear thats how the decide the aura buffs for specs throw a die and see what number it is
glass mortar
who sold unholy shares before the target cappening was announced
get these blizzard inside traders OUT
vivid vessel
who sold unholy shares before the target cappening was announced
you know the crazy part weran
vapid blaze
playing outlaw on ptr
is actually so depressing
vapid blaze
unholy was doing pretty well no
gaunt phoenix
I swear thats how the decide the aura buffs for specs throw a die and see what n...
my "made it the fuck up" source is they do look at aggregated raid logs and key success rate by spec
glass mortar
ya seemed like most of the changes were healthy
increase its scaling baseline
improve the DnD gameplay and make blood beast more consistent and tune around the new toolkit
covert heart
my "made it the fuck up" source is they do look at aggregated raid logs and key ...
Sounds 2 complicated for blizzard
vapid blaze
they also changed it so that you arent poop on low target
glass mortar
seemed good theoretically anyway
vapid blaze
like before s2 tset you were always kinda shit on low targets xD
covert heart
my "made it the fuck up" source is they do look at aggregated raid logs and key ...
I like the dart board theory more
wintry solar
There's also the scene in Southpark where they cut the head of the chicken off and play a kazoo
glass mortar
dart board theory is for wfr tuning
the only real conspiracy that i would never knock someone for believing in is 90% of their tuning is aimed at raid
and m+ tuning is when u get lucky
if u look at 80%+ of the tuning notes historically in this game they make sense in a raid context even if they dont help or make sense for m+ imo
covert heart
I believe that theory could be like 75% true
glass mortar
in terms of direct class tuning
covert heart
If not higher
glass mortar
but u also just have easier to use data from raid
covert heart
Because like half the time they don't even touch mplus stuff when a season starts till after race
glass mortar
so that could be part of it
sharp hinge
i think its becoming blatenly obvious blizz is focusing on certain specs and not others. its almost as if they are choosing favorites based on their community
glass mortar
uh well no
unless u think blizzards favorites are shaman lol
they are clearly focusing on a few specs at a time with their design yes, it could just be the case that hunter/mage/shaman were the main ones they had time for this expac
shaman and hunters got more love this expac then theyve gotten in decades idk
mage obviously everyone complains about but the other two dont really fit and have arguably been cooked more then mage even this expac
sharp hinge
idk hunter seems like its gotten a rework in SL, DF and TWW
sharp hinge
yeah survival
glass mortar
i mean shadows also gotten like 15 reworks over the last 10 years and they are just permanently cooking and suffering
thats moreso failure then favoritism
glass mortar
yeah survival
ok and zero people have played survival any season other then the one with the broken tierset
surely u dont think survival is being show favoritism by blizzard lol
glass mortar
idk it just doesnt make sense. it seems they are focusing up on a few specs at a time for major changes now with whatever design team they have going
fierce mulch
i mean shadows also gotten like 15 reworks over the last 10 years and they are j...
thats because one dev hate mind sear and the other one hate mind link, thats the core of every shadow rework
glass mortar
i wish they hadnt spent an entire expac cooking the same 3 classes over and over but
w/e
covert heart
I honestly think some of the devs are scared to make changes to specs
sharp hinge
surely u dont think survival is being show favoritism by blizzard lol
no im just saying hunter in general
covert heart
Because they will fuck it up royaly
sharp hinge
i personally feel like hard to choose any class to main forever
wintry solar
They should stop touching surv. They keep making it worse.
wintry solar
Fr
glass mortar
now im sad
covert heart
Isnt is pretty good this coming season?
I mean not as good as mm or bm but pretty good
glass mortar
didnt look like they fixed the major issues i had with it so idk
dont care about numbers
it was peak to play in s1
dogshit in s2 imo
covert heart
People like the play style of it. Just the damage wasn't there
wintry solar
Maybe idk but idc if it's good, I want fun
covert heart
I like the current play style of it just wasnt very good
wintry solar
I keep losing interest every time I gear it up
sharp hinge
fun is great, until you look at the damage meter and the numbers arent there
covert heart
Exactly
glass mortar
what ur playing now is just a watered down worse version of s1
altho im sure many will disagree
they forced MB back in the worst way possible
covert heart
I know what I am saying it just needs some better tuning since the people who play it alot really like the plsy style
wintry solar
fun is great, until you look at the damage meter and the numbers arent there
Some people will play a spec regardless of how good it is
sharp hinge
i just think blizz has no clue what theyre doing. they are so out of touh with their current playerbase
glass mortar
sure and im someone who has played survival most seasons at least as an alt and s2 was bad enough for me to abandon it playstyle wise
numbers r w/e
it was strong at the end of s1, think its strong now also (except in m+)
sharp hinge
Some people will play a spec regardless of how good it is
true, you would just think bugs would get fixed atleast
sharp hinge
i would hope, we all pay a monthly sub to this game. although 15$ isnt alot of money. having millons of people pay that should be doing something
sharp hinge
yeah, but then some people who pay, still buy tokens so it evens out
wintry solar
I could never grind for free wow
sharp hinge
couldnt be me either lol
dawn talon
thats because one dev hate mind sear and the other one hate mind link, thats the...
the dev that hates mind sear needs to be put in charge of the spec bc mind sear is dogshit gameplay
sudden fulcrum
any surrenderers to madness?
vapid blaze
the dev that hates mind sear needs to be put in charge of the spec bc mind sear ...
idk the entire psychic link thing is just a nightmare
covert heart
any surrenderers to madness?
Bring it back🤣
vapid blaze
s1 df sp was way better than this shit now
willow portal
can i easy reset bosses as outlaw?
sudden fulcrum
in the warlock discord we have people come in every few days and advocate for affliction to have something like Shadow Crash
glass mortar
can i easy reset bosses as outlaw?
probably if u bring a ranged weapon, equip it and auto attack then vanish with it midair
they made reseting bosses more annoying over the last few expacs and idk why
willow portal
i tought more like pistol shot invis or sth
glass mortar
PS and BtE hit instantly
quaint delta
just make sure perma-tricks is turned off
hybrid crown
I think you don't have throw/shoot as a rogue any more
glass mortar
the trick to reseting bosses is to fire a projectile and then invis before it hits the boss
hybrid crown
I tried that earlier
glass mortar
if it can target u when it hits it doesnt reset usually
hybrid crown
It's kinda weird, we can need roll on bows and equip them but they do nothing
willow portal
the trick to reseting bosses is to fire a projectile and then invis before it hi...
kinda weird that that basically doesnt work for boomkin with shadowmeld
wintry solar
You, I'm pretty sure you can't even auto shoot with them
glass mortar
i have no idea why reseting bosses has gotten more and more difficult and limited every season
sharp hinge
in the warlock discord we have people come in every few days and advocate for af...
i feel like alot of dot specs should have something implemented like that
glass mortar
wait if u put a bow on and right click it wont even shoot?
hybrid crown
I'm pretty sure yeah
glass mortar
BLOZZARD
tender wedge
Assass has that thrown knife at least I think that’s slow travel
quaint delta
how will one ever get the 400 weaponskill achievement
quaint delta
again make sure to turn off perma-tricks
hybrid crown
Random side note
quaint delta
you shoot w/ tricks on, and vanish will do nothing because you're not the target
willow portal
dunno i dont have perma tricks
hybrid crown
You can make other people face pull bosses with swap blaster and vanish
glass mortar
reseting bosses without mage or hunter has become extremely risky in modern raids idk i dont even bother trying
willow portal
i improved my tmog from yesterday
gaunt phoenix
nice
hybrid crown
I wonder if there's a shoulder drape that matches that
wintry solar
It's the wrong brown
wintry solar
It's good, yeah
willow portal
It's the wrong brown
wdym
willow portal
ah cant see those in my wardobe
wintry solar
Do you have them?
willow portal
theres many leather patch things that kinda fit but idk
wintry solar
I keep buying them but I never use them
willow portal
Do you have them?
probably not but i meant even under the missing tab
only find these when searching cape
normal violet
i improved my tmog from yesterday
I wish I could have a cool mog like this, but I'm a dwarf and everything is ugly af
I just can't let go of stoneform
but I wish I could be a different race with stoneform
glass mortar
i need to make a mog to match the timewalking vendor sword
glass mortar
theres a few colors it will
gaunt phoenix
ya nightborne heritage
glass mortar
nightborne styled stuff especially yea
prob goes perfectly with the nightborne heritage
gaunt phoenix
but then you have to play a fcking nightborne
sharp hinge
i like the nightborn mount
glass mortar
unfortunatly nightborne r bozos so
if i was gunna play a race with no dps racial id play vulpera
willow portal
looks a bit like that would hunt me in torghast
glass mortar
daring oxide
this is a toy yeah?
wintry solar
I think I seen that in the appearance tab yesterday
daring oxide
i improved my tmog from yesterday
woot what weapon is that?!
wintry solar
Under swords
daring oxide
I think I seen that in the appearance tab yesterday
huh no way
u serious???
what is it called?
wintry solar
Yeah
daring oxide
insane bro thank you
gaunt phoenix
thanks bro
daring oxide
wow solo
sharp temple
Hi, if I just got back last week for this season, what would be my best 3 buys from dinars? I crafted every non tier slot and just got all my 12s done. Obviously I do not have access to mythic raid stuff at all (and wont have access to it).
The gear listed in pins and icy veis is mostly raid gear and I dont have access to mythic versions of those yet.
daring oxide
so thank you shanky
daring oxide
wtf
gaunt phoenix
carry on
daring oxide
woot what weapon is that?!
here i asked him directly
what do u guys take me for eh
gaunt phoenix
Hi, if I just got back last week for this season, what would be my best 3 buys f...
heroic capo (offhand), mythic wax whistle trinket, mythic pacemaker trinket
sharp temple
Thank you!
daring oxide
still looking for a new 2 day guild potentially
gaunt phoenix
Heroic capo competes with mythic offhands
wintry solar
im a bit more foolish these days
The foolishness I shelved, you picked up.
What an efficient system
daring oxide
im always a fool
daring oxide
i believe in blizzard making outlaw wonderful again
gaunt phoenix
vai did you see
daring oxide
https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162
stealing this ty
daring oxide
vai did you see
what did i miss?!
daring oxide
HUH
gaunt phoenix
or we are terrible
daring oxide
and were barely touching 5mil right?
last i saw
is this in full bis gear btw?
these 6m sims
gaunt phoenix
i tend to lean towards early sims being fucked up
daring oxide
hmm
gaunt phoenix
except mine
daring oxide
or it could just be
gaunt phoenix
i never make mistakes
daring oxide
outlaw ScAlEs BaDlY?