outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

flag dreadblades was def not same gameplay

it was cool

[vivid vessel]

me when i go from kyrian dust to bb flag to sbs leggo

[haughty wigeon]

based even

[vivid vessel]

[haughty wigeon]

i shilled it to d eath

[vivid vessel]

same gameplay

[hybrid mesa]

only one that was actually sorta interesting was sbs

sbs mfd

rest you just sent stuff on cd

[toxic star]

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[gaunt phoenix]

you remember there was a whole ghostly strike vs quickdraw thing

@vivid vessel

good times

[vivid vessel]

ye

i remember

i think not playing quick draw was ..

idk

mistakes of the past, we shouldnt even have been allowed to do that shit

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[vivid vessel]

we also did no quickdraw for that ss talent solo

when we played bb

so cursed

the one button build

everyone loved

me when i spam ss all day

[haughty wigeon]

i never stopped playing quickdraw

outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye is that weaponmaster?

[haughty wigeon]

was so much smoother with it

[gaunt phoenix]

weird icon

[haughty wigeon]

holy fuck

[hybrid mesa]

taking quickdraw off was chud energy

[vivid vessel]

ye the icon was uh

the 2 green swords

its here somewhere

[haughty wigeon]

bring itb ack

[vivid vessel]

ye sub

[quaint mauve]

i miss shadowlands

[gaunt phoenix]

remember BB being bugged the entire season

[vivid vessel]

ye not bfing

i rmemeber

me when there is another build for aoe

but its entirely because my st build is bugged

[quaint mauve]

covenant abilities were the coolest thing ever

[vivid vessel]

er

sbs

[hybrid mesa]

sbs

[vivid vessel]

mfd

[hybrid mesa]

my beloved

[vivid vessel]

acro

[fathom bramble]

rip sbs

[gaunt phoenix]

I think they were cool after the double leggos

Normal leggos w.e

[quaint mauve]

i might be nostalgiamaxxing bc SL was my first expac

[hybrid mesa]

it was criminal that sin got it and not outlaw

[cinder relic]

It really doesn't make sense on modern outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean thats when we could swap covs aslo

[hybrid mesa]

well yeah

[cinder relic]

Despite it being the best for outlaw of the 3

[hybrid mesa]

but at the time

it was criminal

[fathom bramble]

doesn't take that many changes to let it fit to be fair

[hybrid mesa]

now it would prob be a clutter or would already be reworked

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-out-smh-stop-it-jonah-hill-no-way-gif-26885587

[cinder relic]

Yeah that's true

[hybrid mesa]

which brings us to the bis talent tree rework

[quaint mauve]

dungeon pool was good, fury warrior didn’t stink in 5 man content, life was great

[gaunt phoenix]

pls guy

[jolly geyser]

[quaint mauve]

mystery wheel list?

[vivid vessel]

guy is so cooked

[random stirrup]

another guy ragebait post

[quaint mauve]

it wasn’t even good bait, i didn’t fall for it

[vivid vessel]

df was good if you just did normal content

[cinder relic]

Not rage bait

[vivid vessel]

aka m+ and raid only

[cinder relic]

It's true

[quaint mauve]

bro i got fucked , i’m lf a new job rn

[cinder relic]

Legion bfa shadowlands was the all time greatest run

[gaunt phoenix]

Both df and wrath being the worst is certainly a unique opinion

[cinder relic]

DF made me want to quit wow

[haughty wigeon]

i REFUSE

[random stirrup]

sl did make me quit

[quaint mauve]

my boss just said oh yeah we just don’t need you for a while, we might put you on a shift eventually??????????

[haughty wigeon]

to say bfa was good

that shit

[quaint mauve]

like brother

[haughty wigeon]

was HOT ass

[cinder relic]

Bfa was goated

[quaint mauve]

i got bills to pay

[hybrid mesa]

bfa was goated when they removed all the shit grinds

[fluid iron]

guy has shadowdust ptsd from df so its dead to him

[hybrid mesa]

aka the last 2 months

[haughty wigeon]

cool so at the end

[hybrid mesa]

hell ye abrother

[cinder relic]

Bfa was good because of the grinds

[gaunt phoenix]

I actually understand why guy hates df

[hybrid mesa]

people dont remember your start only your end

[haughty wigeon]

df was def mid too

like

ngl

[hybrid mesa]

df was so fucking mid

however i will say

[haughty wigeon]

just as bad as cata for me

[fluid iron]

had some of my fav raids

[hybrid mesa]

im not letting anyone talk shit about SL raids

SL raids were built diffy

[haughty wigeon]

fuck

SOD

[hybrid mesa]

fuck sylvanas tho

frfr

[cinder relic]

Bfa and sl were good because of the grinds

[hybrid mesa]

like FUCK sylvanas

worst final boss ever made

ayo

[gaunt phoenix]

i like your tier list of the individual raids better

[haughty wigeon]

the grinds were good

i liked to grinds

i didnt mind it

only one tho

thats a lie

[hybrid mesa]

idk at one point you kinda get over doing rep grinds for player power

[cinder relic]

Fuck if I'll be able to find that again

But it was good ueah

[hybrid mesa]

like having your bis essence come from nazj rep

[haughty wigeon]

heart grind if you had a new armor and couldnt wear it unless you were really on it

but that was like

irrelevant

[hybrid mesa]

or pvp🥵

[haughty wigeon]

bfa sucked for me

cause it removed tiersets, azerite system sucked until bod and even then it only peaked with essences

[haughty wigeon]

it was the reason

why target caps and stat drs was introduced

[cinder relic]

I also just found it hahaha

[vivid vessel]

can you do a tier list of RH people

[fathom bramble]

amirdrassil had the first boss that made me want to just not raid

F tier raid

[gaunt phoenix]

> ?

[vivid vessel]

wtf solo ?

[fathom bramble]

failed the most important test

[vivid vessel]

im s tier for sure

totally unbiased takes

[haughty wigeon]

soft a

[cinder relic]

Sl just had such good raids man

[haughty wigeon]

i am

s tier

[cinder relic]

Like all timer

[haughty wigeon]

totally not bias

[vivid vessel]

bro

you are not even in a tier

you are a ret player

[gaunt phoenix]

nighthold at the very top is correct

[vivid vessel]

get out of here

[haughty wigeon]

thats where your wrong zac

that is a tier

[hybrid mesa]

nah you lose your cool to easy to be s tier

[haughty wigeon]

ret tier

[cinder relic]

Guldan just had so much aura

[fathom bramble]

painsmith had some problems

[vivid vessel]

you were wrong

[haughty wigeon]

i like

[fathom bramble]

the rest of SL was awesome

[hybrid mesa]

maybe

[cinder relic]

Mythic guldan where you kill him and he summons illidan

[haughty wigeon]

warlords of draenor

[cinder relic]

Holy fuck

[hybrid mesa]

still lost your cool

[cinder relic]

Full body chills

[vivid vessel]

did i

[haughty wigeon]

totally not bias from a previous arguement 5mins ago

[haughty wigeon]

i miss those

secret mythic phases

[cinder relic]

Sanctum was the weakest of the 3 from sl

[haughty wigeon]

they should do those again

[cinder relic]

But nathria and sepulcur was so good

[haughty wigeon]

the last one was jailer

right?

[hybrid mesa]

sanctum was the weakest but PAINSMITH

[haughty wigeon]

where he ate the world soul and got a shield

[hybrid mesa]

painsmith was so great

[cinder relic]

Jailer was such a good fight

[jolly geyser]

sepulcher too long

[haughty wigeon]

i like jailer

[fathom bramble]

painsmith was not great

[haughty wigeon]

nah fuck that

[fathom bramble]

changing race for an encounter lol

[haughty wigeon]

they should make longer raids sometimes

[fathom bramble]

actually terrible execution

[haughty wigeon]

or alteast for last season

blackrock foundary

[hybrid mesa]

nah

[haughty wigeon]

was peak

[fathom bramble]

spikes desyncing and killing the gob squad

[haughty wigeon]

cause it was long

[hybrid mesa]

id accept saying fatescribe or KT sucked

but not painsmith

[vivid vessel]

i think they just didnt nerf it fast enough

i think it was cool for the race

[haughty wigeon]

fatescribe was okay

was a brain check

[hybrid mesa]

bro no way

[vivid vessel]

it should have been nerfed instantly

[hybrid mesa]

fatescribe was so dog

[haughty wigeon]

painsmith kinda fucks you over

[jolly geyser]

blackhand best last boss,short fight but hectic

[sudden fulcrum]

Nathria was a cool raid, both thematically and the fights

[vivid vessel]

after race tho

[sudden fulcrum]

last guy was epic

[hybrid mesa]

5 people do mechanics while 15 others jerk it in a corner

[haughty wigeon]

it wa so fun

[hybrid mesa]

x3

[vivid vessel]

i dont mean after race, i mean once liquid echo killed it

[gaunt phoenix]

x3

[cinder relic]

I liked the fight

[vivid vessel]

:3

[hybrid mesa]

and then the 5 people didnt know how to do clockwise or counterclockwise

[haughty wigeon]

:3

[hybrid mesa]

b a d

[haughty wigeon]

like i said

brain check

[vivid vessel]

fatescribe is still one of the only fight where they have done that auto attrib thing

[haughty wigeon]

actual brain check of the lowest bar

insane

[vivid vessel]

that they should do more often

so you dont need weak auras

im talking about the soaks not the clock thing

[fathom bramble]

painsmith was fine after they adjusted it, but no fight should ever be made in a way that requires certain specs to race change

[haughty wigeon]

how fatebound hardstuck so many people cause they didnt know how to read a clock

[fathom bramble]

and as soon as it became evident that palyers felt they needed to race change it should have been nerfed

[hybrid mesa]

broodmother flashbacks

[proven ocean]

Putting ToS on b tier is a warcrime also how the fuck is nerubar palace sss tier

[hybrid mesa]

had a mass exodus of people swapping to belt

belf

[jolly geyser]

kil jaeden goblin race change

[proven ocean]

Nerubar is the most mid tier raid of all time

[hybrid mesa]

TO BE HONEST

undermine was mid

[vivid vessel]

It was

[hybrid mesa]

thematically it's great but the bosses are all SO mid

[vivid vessel]

Ok I think gally is one of my favorite end boss

It's just too easy

[hybrid mesa]

like i enjoyed NP more than under

[vivid vessel]

But I like that's it's a patchwerk boss

Like no bs transition

It's just fighting Perma

[hybrid mesa]

no 14 min 3 phase

with 2 lusts

[vivid vessel]

And do cool mechanics

[fathom bramble]

no damage hold

[hybrid mesa]

i love you raszageth but god

[fathom bramble]

no weird delay mechanics

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[hybrid mesa]

i cant do another 14 min fight anymore

i dont have it in me

[haughty wigeon]

gally was a nice fight

[hybrid mesa]

nothing like wiping on mythic sylv 4th plat cause your boomkin forgot to do their soak

[haughty wigeon]

i like it

i still wish there was a secret phase tho

[jolly geyser]

wasnt that Sha fight in mop like 20min+

[hybrid mesa]

i think gally was just too simple to be memorable for me

like he just kinda... dies

[haughty wigeon]

yes

tuesday

[vivid vessel]

People will say I'm too obsessed with doing DPS but the game has legit nothing going on if you ain't pressing buttons so

[haughty wigeon]

fuck

[gaunt phoenix]

G'huun manifests and devours gally yes

[haughty wigeon]

this shit is gonna be so lit tuesday

[haughty wigeon]

big robot turns into bigger robot

[cinder relic]

Ya that was dumb initially

I still like the concept of the fight

Felt like a game show

There should have been a pain smith boss this raid too

[sudden fulcrum]

anyone else wish they were prancing forward more in raid?

[hybrid mesa]

SASHAY LEFT

[sudden fulcrum]

maybe a shimmy to the right here and there

[hybrid mesa]

ok sludgefist v halondrus

i vote halondrus

[haughty wigeon]

sludgefist

solid dps check

then guardian

i dont think hal was a dps check?

[jolly geyser]

halondrus got that classic range vs melee vid

[haughty wigeon]

or am i miss remembering

[sudden fulcrum]

who else hated Raszageth

[hybrid mesa]

eh

[sudden fulcrum]

i quit the game while progging that one

it was awful

[hybrid mesa]

it wasnt TIGHT but there was a bit of a dps check

[dawn talon]

raszageth my beloved

[hybrid mesa]

it was mostly mechanics and communication

[haughty wigeon]

raz was

[sudden fulcrum]

just 100 pulls o f people getting knocked off

[haughty wigeon]

strange

[jolly geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24

[haughty wigeon]

you were fucked if you were ret or priest simple as that

[fathom bramble]

meanwhile it was our boomies detonating all the time

[haughty wigeon]

they shouldnt have made a boss where two classes would get fucked

[fathom bramble]

and the rogue group never failed

[jolly geyser]

[hybrid mesa]

also halondrus being unable to parry/dodge so all dual wielders were top deeps

goodtimes

[sudden fulcrum]

bro has like six legs

why can't he parry

[fathom bramble]

I miss when the bosses that had parry disabled also disabled dodge/miss by accident

just randomly all 3 rogue specs are best on a boss

[finite mason]

Dear gentlemen of this chat, I sincerely ask you to look through this log and try to help my friend to understand what is wrong, if possible. She is an OTP rogue and trying to do everything to maximise dps, which is a lot to worry about. I, as a resto shaman, obviously can't really advise her much... So I'm asking for your help after all the active discussion ended

[quaint mauve]

non class exclusive raid sets are the most boring thing ever IMO

[quaint mauve]

i hated this fight so much on mythic bc of my donkey tier locks

dying every fucking intermission

literally was a wall for the longest

[hardy thicket]

Halondrus was so vibe

I just sat on boss

[quaint mauve]

yeah true

seeing my lock fly off the map for the 10th intermission in a row

[sudden fulcrum]

skill issue

[vivid vessel]

[hardy thicket]

imagine working on ur UI to get it super clean then hear that

[vivid vessel]

Haha

I'm mostly wondering what blud UI looks like

Surely they see nothing

My UI is like standard key pusher guy UI I think

Nothing fancy

[hardy thicket]

my UI is so much random shit just thrown together with no sense of anything being clean or even

[worldly bridge]

Sorry if it's been said, did some scrolling and searching and see nothing. I was running on my rogue with someone today and they said the killing spree change isn't coming in the new season. Is this right?

[tender wedge]

it is not right

the change is coming

prepare yourself

[gaunt phoenix]

how on earth did they get that impression

[lavish leaf]

guys am i tripping or it does not change

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a tooltip error, it does change duration

[lavish leaf]

oh

but its only at this one talent

[gaunt phoenix]

It goes from 16 > 26

[lavish leaf]

thanks

[mighty pivot]

this mafic guy if only all wow forum posters were so entertaining

[neat mist]

🏄‍♀️ 🏄‍♂️

[toxic star]

@vivid vessel curious, are there specific mechanics that you need the avoidance enchants for?

because avoidance doesnt seem to be doing much for you even in 22 dfc, leech would be significantly better

[sudden fulcrum]

is the implication that he would enchant specifically for each dungeon?

[upper surge]

I played combat rogue in karazhan in bc does that count

Hi xeph

[toxic star]

i mean theoretically, but i personally just know as devoker, i dont need avoidance for anything until 21-22 so i just have leech instead and that does like 4 times more effective healing than avoid ever prevents

[sudden fulcrum]

i am skeptical that you are not benefitting from avoidance anywhere at all

[toxic star]

ofc some of that is irrelevant healing but eg candle king, surely its worth having more hps than a total of 9m dmg prevented

benefitting in the sense of "need the enchants to live oneshots"

ignoring priest shields ofc

[leaden folio]

🏄‍♀️ 🏄‍♂️

[sullen wyvern]

How are we looking for s3 @gaunt phoenix ? Weaker than s2, equal, stronger?

[keen belfry]

Strong chance Zac just plays avoidance for vibes and tert enchants are piss

[toxic star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VfKYBHMqCThv6mW9?fight=2&type=healing&pull=9&source=165&options=49156 e.g. here, avoidance did like 20k "hps". with enchants it would be slightly less than twice that iirc

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VfKYBHMqCThv6mW9?fight=2&type=healing&pull=9&source=165&options=4 however i leeched for 115k hps (3% is from class tree, i have 8% total iirc, so ~72k hps is from enchants

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pjhcfDQ641T2wM9t?fight=32&type=healing&options=49156&source=8&pull=6 and heres zacs candle king

[gaunt phoenix]

i think a bit weaker

but ks

[toxic star]

where avoidance did p much what mine wouldve done with avoidance enchants

[vivid vessel]

Ok I think dfc is bad example cause even the "dot" on third boss is AOE, AOE Dr in that dungeon goes crazy

But ye idk I think leech is useless

[sullen wyvern]

why exactly a bit weaker though?

[vivid vessel]

And avoidance is also useless

Isn

[gaunt phoenix]

tuning? just numbers

[vivid vessel]

Idk

[keen belfry]

Terts are so ass

[toxic star]

yea i picked candle king for that reason

if it doesnt do much there, unless you need it to live idk dousing breath or something, why not hps

[keen belfry]

Could not enchant my gear and I’d die the same amount of times as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

How much hps does leech do tho

[toxic star]

^

idk as outlaw ofc

im 673 now and dogshit so

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[toxic star]

over the ws 13 i just did it was 26k hps already

and surely thats only gonna increase

[vivid vessel]

Idk my thinking with avoid vs leech is that I will never survive anything from leech, but I might be saved by avoidance

But maybe I'm wrong

Leech does so little healing it's like

Eh

[toxic star]

unless its a oneshot, you wouldve leeched more in the time between hits than avoidance wouldve prevented

unelss the hits come in between leech ticks

[vivid vessel]

Ye maybe

[toxic star]

or youre unable to hit

[vivid vessel]

Ok I'm convinced I will reenchant everything to leech for that massive 50k hps

[toxic star]

:success:

dm me ingame for discount on leech enchants

[sudden fulcrum]

zac gonna time world first DFC 24 now

[mighty pivot]

4 dps groups with leech stacking

[vivid vessel]

I might forget about it cause I'm about to sleep rn

Oh well

[toxic star]

are you even playing still this season

[keen belfry]

Hmm so zac is about to copy my enchants? Fanboy m

[proven ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/plaqueboymax

funniest shit ive seen in a while

[keen belfry]

Zac copy awang ?

[gaunt phoenix]

zero

avoidance or leech ?

[proven ocean]

avoidance

[toxic star]

no, hes going to copy leech enchants off a 2 weeks old rogue being annoying in discord

[vivid vessel]

My whole team when on holidays ye, but we might play the last 2 weeks maybe when they are back

[proven ocean]

leech is cooked only good for tanks

[toxic star]

id just be curious how much it is for rogue as comparison

[proven ocean]

whoever disagrees

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[proven ocean]

probably sweats to push past 10 keys

no offense to all the plebs out there

that dont know how to play keys

[keen belfry]

Zeross

I’m in Ireland rn

Wya?

[vivid vessel]

You playing leech enchants awang?

[keen belfry]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

Massive cock you got there

[sudden fulcrum]

what a gigachad

[vivid vessel]

I'm still a noob on avoid enchants bro

[keen belfry]

I don’t need to avoid more dmg

I can jsut take it.

[vivid vessel]

Ye you are right

That makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

Just take it.

[keen belfry]

Zac be like:

here let me put some leeches on my wrists

Ok weirdo

[proven ocean]

zac was a leech and speed gamer in DF

[vivid vessel]

The number is bigger on the leech enchants aswell

[proven ocean]

always cooked takes here and there

[vivid vessel]

It's like 400 vs 1k

[proven ocean]

but its fine

[vivid vessel]

Surely that means it's better

[proven ocean]

avoidance is way better in the end

[keen belfry]

Ok I might swap

More stats

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[keen belfry]

Surely better?

[proven ocean]

leech was only powerful in season 1 DF

[vivid vessel]

More stats is better

[toxic star]

how does it work with blade flurry btw

[proven ocean]

when it was high in %

and not nerfed

[toxic star]

is it just like aoe taxed and thats it

[proven ocean]

especially outlaw is the worst spec to put leech on btw

incase u didnt know that

[vivid vessel]

There is an AOE tax?

[keen belfry]

Ok I’ll go leech enchants when I’m back. Maybe that’s why Zac is the EU awangawangaw

[vivid vessel]

Idk man I'm so clueless about leech

That's like healer job you know

[toxic star]

yea leech heals only 50% from spells that inherently aoe regardless of targets hit

[vivid vessel]

No one cares about these type of stuffs in here

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

We just do damage

[vivid vessel]

Press buttons

[proven ocean]

brother

[toxic star]

thats just engulf stuff but

[proven ocean]

u realize that soothing darkness heals you the most

in m+

and

oon top of that

it doesnt save u from dying

anywhere

[toxic star]

^

[keen belfry]

Xeph you will never die as this spec unless 3 things atm:

healer bad
Ks
You’re bad at eat shit

[proven ocean]

maybe in +10 keys where nothing hits and u have a shit healer ur gonna feel like leech is better

dont "^" ing me

because i know how leech works

it sucks balls

its cooked to even consider it being good

[toxic star]

the numbers dont check out

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

When the numbers are as small as they are

[proven ocean]

brother is saying numbers

you dont understand numbers at all clearly here

[keen belfry]

The numbers don’t matter

[proven ocean]

no offense tho

[keen belfry]

Me and zeross are goated rn

[proven ocean]

im just being realistic

[toxic star]

it def has mattered on st debuffs like cinderbrew 1st boss for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

where avoidance wont do shit

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

Mhm

[proven ocean]

my guy said 1st boss cinderbrew

[keen belfry]

You’re playing outlaw now cuh

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Oh bro

[proven ocean]

brother

[vivid vessel]

You know what

[keen belfry]

Don’t worry about those numbers

[proven ocean]

that debuff barely lasts

like

[vivid vessel]

I bet you don't know that

[proven ocean]

30% of the fight or someshit

[vivid vessel]

I'm about to blow your world out

[proven ocean]

nd it never kills you

[vivid vessel]

You can evasion it

!

[keen belfry]

BOOM!

[proven ocean]

it only kills you in +21 keys which u clearly dont do

[vivid vessel]

Boom

[proven ocean]

Boom

[toxic star]

im not talking about outlaw my dude

[vivid vessel]

Bet this one you didn't know

[keen belfry]

god I’m so EU rn

[gaunt phoenix]

xeph is like r3 devoker

[vivid vessel]

Absolute banger one

[toxic star]

r1 technically the others are buyers

[proven ocean]

wait

[haughty wigeon]

xeph

is like

really good

[proven ocean]

ur a dragoncock guy

[vivid vessel]

Ok that's funny

[keen belfry]

Xeph you are now playing outlaw

[proven ocean]

do u know dragondick

[haughty wigeon]

and does the warcraft log stuff

[proven ocean]

hes a friend of mine

[keen belfry]

XEPH

U R OUTLAW

No more dragon worries

[toxic star]

from leaderboards only

[proven ocean]

he pushed in DF abit

[keen belfry]

@toxic star

[toxic star]

im assuming before application, while projectile is flying, or entirely precast?

[proven ocean]

brother xepheris

[toxic star]

rogues still an alt

[keen belfry]

Outlaw rogues do not have the same living problems dragons have

[vivid vessel]

Ye you see it flying at you, you evasion

[proven ocean]

idk how evoker lives

[vivid vessel]

Actually goated tech

[proven ocean]

do u ever die

to aoe dmg

ever

[vivid vessel]

0 damage taken the whole fight

[proven ocean]

as evoker

or are u immortal

[toxic star]

on 21 i would here and there yea

[keen belfry]

Welcome to outlaw

You will only die to KS

[haughty wigeon]

i think the scalies are squishier than most mail classes

[proven ocean]

ur an evoker dps

[keen belfry]

Unkillable spec

[proven ocean]

wait let me see

[haughty wigeon]

but but but

[vivid vessel]

Dying as outlaw is crazy bro!

I would never

[haughty wigeon]

man in forums said outlaw is giga squishy and now they loss the ks defensive

is he

[vivid vessel]

I should remove all my defensives enchants actually

[haughty wigeon]

lying??!?

[keen belfry]

mmmmm yes mmmm

[proven ocean]

dude

ur doing r1000 keys

[toxic star]

its ok as long as its predictable and youre not omega unlucky

[keen belfry]

Less stats tho idk

[proven ocean]

like

[vivid vessel]

Have to give the game a little chance to beat me

[proven ocean]

nothing is dangerous there

it doesnt matter at all

we have so much power bloat rn

[keen belfry]

The only rogue I see die all the time is this rogue Named Zeross

[toxic star]

those werent r1000 at the time and its inflated from cn dont forget

[vivid vessel]

Frfr

[proven ocean]

i mean

ngl xepheris

[vivid vessel]

This guy is Perma floor pov or

[proven ocean]

if u didnt do r1 keys you wont feel avoidance

[vivid vessel]

Maybe it's the spec

[proven ocean]

because like

[vivid vessel]

Assa does seem shit at living

[jolly tapir]

hey all, which is best M+ build listed on wowhead for a new rogue? I see 4

[proven ocean]

r1 keys you need like

very high avoidance to live certain things

like candle king, swampface

[keen belfry]

In EU (I’m inEU rn) and they refer to Zeross as the Floorguy

[proven ocean]

these are dangerous fights

[toxic star]

im not worried about r1 keys

[proven ocean]

u dont have anywhere else where ur squishy

brother

[gaunt phoenix]

the HO build here #1276306860126900315 message

[proven ocean]

its the same on lower keys

its just way less impactful there

[toxic star]

im just curious whether outlaw needs avoid more than devoker and thats an answer i got

[vivid vessel]

You are eu now?

Banger man

[proven ocean]

idk how ur even comparing btw

because every spec in the game plays avoidance

except you apparently

[toxic star]

yea i mean

[keen belfry]

Ireland rn nbd. Netherlands in a few days nbd

[vivid vessel]

Honest answer tho is that enchants are legit useless right

[toxic star]

no

[keen belfry]

Yes

[toxic star]

its saved my life multiple times

[proven ocean]

avoidance is the only thing that actually makes a difference xepheris

[toxic star]

didnt mention cinderbrew 1st boss for no reason

[proven ocean]

brother

if u have a healer

u wont die from stupid shit that ur mentioning

"leech saving me"

that never happens

legit never

[vivid vessel]

Nbd nbd

[keen belfry]

If leech saved u ur a dead man anyways

[haughty wigeon]

depends on the spec

[vivid vessel]

Come France cuh

We have good food

[keen belfry]

I want to France

[haughty wigeon]

cause some kinda squishy with rot

[keen belfry]

I’d try to find you Zac

[proven ocean]

its extremely rare for leech to save you, and its a big gamble to hope ur healer dies and u just end up topping urself

[vivid vessel]

Wtf that's scary

[proven ocean]

if you think deeply about this

[keen belfry]

You work in an office so I’d go to offices and ask for tom elvis

[proven ocean]

does it bring value to you in a clean run

[keen belfry]

In a non scary way*

[proven ocean]

and can u even time a key if the run isn't clean?

[vivid vessel]

Ye you will find me that way for sure

[proven ocean]

ofc u cant

[toxic star]

even then it does more raw throughput than avoidance

[proven ocean]

because its scuffed already

nah

[toxic star]

even factoring in say 30% random healing that the healer wouldve done anyway

[vivid vessel]

I have to go to the office in 5 h actually brb

[keen belfry]

Brb

[proven ocean]

i do think ur inexperienced in the avoidance department i rule you as a 0 xp avoidance enjoyer

bam

"imagine a hammer slam noise on the table"

[vivid vessel]

I'm so hyped to wake up tomorrow and enchants everything to leech ngl

I feel like I have seen the light

[keen belfry]

!remindme 2 weeks update enchants

[toxic star]

think you just havent looked at how much avoidance actually does(n't)

[keen belfry]

Can anyone here remind me to enhancement leech my wrists? In 2 weeks

[vivid vessel]

No

Remind me tomorrow tho

[keen belfry]

For sure

[vivid vessel]

Ty

[toxic star]

what time

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[keen belfry]

@proven ocean

[proven ocean]

i think i look at these things more than anyone in the game, and im not trying to ego about this because i love looking at these numbers all the time and i dont see ppl looking at them as often

[vivid vessel]

18h45 server time eu

[keen belfry]

My EU brothers, remind me

[proven ocean]

what do u think im ur wife or something

[toxic star]

are you aware then that you can see it in logs

[proven ocean]

wow i can see numbers in logs

[keen belfry]

No but you’re my EU brother

[proven ocean]

really

dude

[keen belfry]

Xeph I can’t beleive you’re making me agree with zeross

[toxic star]

i mean its a new feature and hidden so the question is warranted

[proven ocean]

u know its a big disaster if awang agree's with me

because the odds are is that

[keen belfry]

On god

I’m so EU rn

[proven ocean]

ur more likely to live running into a blackhole and coming back with a tennis pole in ur backpack while sleeping and timing a +40 key without a keyboard all without wifi than have awang agree with me

[keen belfry]

Disagree

[proven ocean]

see

[keen belfry]

Oh shit maybe he’s right

Outlaw gang on fleek sheesh⁉️

Xeph

Play either enchant

Maybe mix it up and go a lil of both

[toxic star]

i mean ill play leech just for the science already

[vivid vessel]

Bro play one of each

That's the big tech

[keen belfry]

You are not playing dragon anymore

You will not die

[proven ocean]

u can play leech for science it doesnt matter

in the end

[keen belfry]

These things don’t matter to us

[toxic star]

big enchant dont want you to know that

[proven ocean]

if ur asking which is better

leech is nowhere close to being better

[keen belfry]

Play one with more stats for vibes cuz more stats = more dps

[toxic star]

source: trust me bro

[keen belfry]

Welcome to outlaw chat Xeph

Welcome

[proven ocean]

i think im way more experienced than you in M+ to know that

no offense xeph guy

[keen belfry]

Say noah fence next time

They love that here

[tender wedge]

man if i had a dollar for every time zeross claimed to be right due to his io

not saying it's wrong but

[timber zephyr]

io = skill

[keen belfry]

Hey back off Spark

[toxic star]

times change, avoidance has changed

[tender wedge]

lol

sorry i want to be part of whatever this is

[proven ocean]

well i pushed very high on alot of seasons

so

[vivid vessel]

Hi luckylee here

[proven ocean]

i think i do have the right to say that im experienced

[keen belfry]

Unlucky Lee what spec u playing

[proven ocean]

besides

[timber zephyr]

Luckylee here. Playing rogue next season (played dk this season but ppl knew me as havoc demon hunter). See you guys do lots of damage, i don't really like playing with my eyes open so probably the spec for me. Watching this stream to get better for next season.

[proven ocean]

i dont know what mechanics evoker has

because

maybe u guys benefit from leech alot that i dont know about

generally

[keen belfry]

Is LuckYLeee new hope of NA?

[tender wedge]

no you do for sure, it's just not a great "proof" if you know what i mean

[proven ocean]

avoidance is way heavily impactful in m+

[toxic star]

nah evoker has no special leech interaction beyond a +3% leech talent

[proven ocean]

sssssssssssssssssss

mistake

[vivid vessel]

Xeph, you know second boss Dawnbreaker, if leech is more effective healing during the AOE i swap

[proven ocean]

was alt tabbed idk how ityped sss

[tender wedge]

zeross is a SNAKE confirmed

[vivid vessel]

Otherwise it's all fake

And I will run no enchants

[proven ocean]

man

i love

outlaw in ptr

no cappi

like

best

shit

erver

i want

to marry outlaw

and

i want

to

hang it up my wall

and

sleep with outlaw

shower with outlaw

and

uuh

idk

outlaw

ok

?

[proper bear]

Vibes

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

[normal violet]

what about assa

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933400475070525481/1375914593599098961/1373852099485634651.webp

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[keen belfry]

Same bro, we are so alike @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22968526

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070871565035655239/1086502908394209390/orig.gif?width=603&height=603

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kiss-gif-21168766

[toxic star]

have to find a log first but you press feint there guaranteed anyway right? and maybe evasion idk

[gaunt phoenix]

zero

[proven ocean]

i love cats too

[gaunt phoenix]

no spammi

[proven ocean]

hi solo

okii

[vivid vessel]

Ye I do

But imagine if I don't wtf

Idk I'm trying to think of something that is scary

But I'm scared of both

Nothing

Outlaw too stronk

[proven ocean]

zac
[g๐๐n]
— 3:58 AM
Ye I do
But imagine if I don't wtf
Idk I'm trying to think of something that is scary
But I'm scared of both
Nothing
*
Outlaw too stronk

awang is my favorite rogue

[blissful thunder]

17% nerf?

[gaunt phoenix]

[goon]

[keen belfry]

Hmm I found the movie The Strangers pretty scary

[vivid vessel]

Haven't watched that

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix pin?

[keen belfry]

2008 horror

[vivid vessel]

I found the first horror movie I watched scary

And then it never worked again

And I'm sad cause the thrill was cool

[keen belfry]

Have you seen hereditary

[vivid vessel]

And I can never experience it again

Ye banger one hereditary

Not scary tho right just weird af

[keen belfry]

I don’t like scary I like weird af

Ok yeah

[vivid vessel]

Weirdo

[keen belfry]

I prefer scary gooning movies

⁉️

[vivid vessel]

I see

[toxic star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qQ7YjvL1pNGVn8bX?fight=last&type=healing&pull=12&source=170&options=16384&start=7029510&end=7048574 just a 15 and assa but this is orb into shadowdy decay. orb left him with 3.5m health so avoidance wasnt needed at all and he did only 1.7m dps outside of that fat envenom so the leech wouldve definitely been higher than avoidance in total

[keen belfry]

Xeph is scared of scary movies so he avoid(ance enchants) them

Right guys?

[toxic star]

im chain watching horror movies

even the real bad ones

[vivid vessel]

Bro xeph you wanna know the real answer

[keen belfry]

Have you seen the void

[vivid vessel]

My raid leader is mad at me if I don't enchant my cloak

So I just throw something on

It landed on avoid

Probably first one on ah

[toxic star]

was that the lovecraftian bait which was rather bland in the end

[keen belfry]

We only enchants those slots so our UI doesn’t yell at us for missing enchant

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Frfr

[keen belfry]

Yes it was proper bad

But fun

[toxic star]

saw trailer just now

def saw it

was dogshit

[keen belfry]

Proper bad

[toxic star]

so bad i forgot i saw it, its not even on my list

[keen belfry]

Mmm yes

Ninja robot has been typing for so long

[vivid vessel]

I was about to say

Stop typing

[keen belfry]

What’s he typing man

[vivid vessel]

It annoys me

Seeing the stupid emotes man

🏄

[keen belfry]

Probably recalculating off target blade flurry dmg again

Dude

He’s doing it again

[vivid vessel]

Fuck off ninjarobot

[mighty pivot]

the gap is must smaller because you have a talent which provides 4% leech, so 4/7 of the total amount leeched is due to that. From 3k leech (enchants) that's 11m healing vs what would've been ~7m avoidance mitigation from 1.5k avoidance. However, on gear avoidance and leech are 1:1, and point for point avoidance gives more mitigation based on the above (would've been 14m will 3k avoidance).

[toxic star]

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[keen belfry]

Holy it was a long text

[mighty pivot]

ty

[vivid vessel]

I can't read all that ngl

[keen belfry]

Lmk
What he says

Looks like BS

[vivid vessel]

Xeph will do a tldr

[mighty pivot]

I should do a zeross and send 1 word per enter

[vivid vessel]

It was addressed to him

We aren't directly concerned awang

It's fine

[keen belfry]

Yeah idc

[toxic star]

tldr is you get pinged at 1845 st

[vivid vessel]

Okkk

[keen belfry]

Gonna leech off that and avoid that conversation

[vivid vessel]

Careful with timezones tho, blizzard always messes them up

[mighty pivot]

or days

[sudden fulcrum]

please don't that is annoying as fuck

[toxic star]

same timezone

[keen belfry]

Muffin sorry for that LFG incident

My bad

[vivid vessel]

What did you do

[pliant wave]

Does Zeross have ADHD?

[vivid vessel]

Did you decline him in lfg

[keen belfry]

@sudden fulcrum send screenshot

[mighty pivot]

it would hurt my eyes too much to even do that as a joke

[sudden fulcrum]

i didn't save it and i couldn't find it in search

RIP

[keen belfry]

I found it

[toxic star]

61k hps of the 115k are from the enchants, youre right on the leech talent and eff leech

[sudden fulcrum]

i'm sure everybody knows that you solicit fellatio from random guys on WoW anyway

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

I didn’t know who muffin ign was so I get that random whisper

And I just had to be like yo

[toxic star]

i have 1044 avoid from head however so adding 3k from enchants would be very close to identical no? eff hps at least. 1044 = 20.6k

in that case its still 2k in favor of leech which is whatever

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't it be less than 61k? 3k leech ~= 3% and the talent is 4%

[toxic star]

its 3.49%

(checked ingame)

the raw leech doesnt count towards dr in case thats what you looked at

[mighty pivot]

wait do classes get different % per leech rating? I am seeing it as 4480 being 4,39% in game on my rogue, so close to 1020 per 1%. In any case the 0,5% doesn't make or break things

[toxic star]

i dont think so but i have 7.49% leech

[mighty pivot]

even if they were multiplicative that doesn't add up. I call hax

[proven ocean]

bro

dont talk about sin

ur saying leech is better on sin

get out of here

ur acting like a clown rn

[mighty pivot]

ok I see now, there is some weird calculation with multiple sources of leech (or a visual bug dunno). If I talent into the 3% leech talent it goes from 4,39% to 7,99%

[proven ocean]

talk about evoker all u want

go to the evoker discord no one cares about evoker here

[toxic star]

bro why are you still yapping

[proven ocean]

but if ur gonna talk about sin when u never logged in rogue in ur life thats abig one if u ask me

[toxic star]

im clearly responding to ninjarobot

[proven ocean]

ur saying leech would've been bigger on sin

[toxic star]

im not

[proven ocean]

your just spreading lies

ur saying avoidance wasnt needed at all

idk what ur even trying to say with that point

ur always trying to incline that leech is better even for sin now

which is just false info

sin cant even live many bosses without avoidance

you straight up just die

[toxic star]

it couldve lived the one i linked and that was the sole point of that link

[proven ocean]

and sin barely has good consistent dmg to benefit from leech

[toxic star]

im not seeing that without the talent

[proven ocean]

?

ngl ur even worse than lashga

lashga atleast played rogue

what would leech even do in that situation

my guy is even linking a +15

theres not a single situation in the entire game where leech would save you as sin

over avoidance

[toxic star]

find me a better outlaw ptr public log then

[proven ocean]

and thats speaking of m+ btw

not raid

[mighty pivot]

oh I see, in the log your leech on the summary was 3060. Fwiw BF does seem to fully leech

[proven ocean]

idk why you even need to look at ptr logs to understand that leech is worse or better

[toxic star]

are you sure about that, that would be.. sus

[proven ocean]

u make it sound like ptr has accurate data

when its half bugged

[leaden harbor]

!log

[proven ocean]

everytime you say something its always the opposite of what ur supposed to say

try to rewire ur brain or something

[toxic star]

enemy damage dealt isnt bugged

neither are avoidance nor leech

[proven ocean]

u can also look at live logs

my guy is saying ptr logs

where there are barely enough logs

[toxic star]

zac asked about a specific boss

do you read only like half of the messages or something

most of what you write is taking comments entirely out of context and its beginning to be annoying

[proven ocean]

nah dude play all the leech u want just dont mention sin benefiting from leech

because its straight up useless for sin

which i clearly replied to btw

[mighty pivot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:tYc4PRQ9qMf1yFdx?fight=last&type=damage-done&view=events&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24healing%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24143924 with 4,39% leech it seems to take BF into account at 1:1 rate

[proven ocean]

maybe try reading what im replying to

instead of telling me i dont read

for assa leech numbers are completely fake

[toxic star]

too bad leech isnt instant

[pliant wind]

I think its like this:
Healer sucks - leech gets more importance for sustain dmg
You suck - avoidance gets more importance as you get more dmg from mechanics

[proven ocean]

and especially outlaw

[toxic star]

because thats sick

[pliant wind]

[proven ocean]

except if the healer sucks he doesnt have to heal you more

so idk what that even means

in high keys you take dmg way too fast that leech is completley useless

its absurd to say that it has any value on rogue

[pliant wind]

Yeah just giving pros and cons for each one

[proven ocean]

ye sure but keep in mind healer is healing you less with high avoidance

because u take less dmg

[pliant wind]

That too yeah

[proven ocean]

1 thing why outlaw barely wants leech btw

[toxic star]

hes also healing you less because you just heal yourself

[proven ocean]

is that they have soothing darkness

which counters leech

[proven ocean]

what

explain to me how leech is gonna be helpful on candle king now

im genuinely curious

[toxic star]

[proven ocean]

ur taking dmg aren't you

[toxic star]

well spotted

i hope youre also doing damage

[pliant wind]

If we take into account that avoidance helps you only in aoe situations and leech in sustain circumstances...

[proven ocean]

i wonder why mdi players aren't saying OMG WE ALL NEED LEECH

what a surprise

every top player

never mentions leech

because of how bad it is

and you suddenly show up

with ur evoker ass char

[toxic star]

mdi players dont mi max a lot of things

[mighty pivot]

oh also I figured out why the leech talent gave more leech than expected, I forgot that the 20% poison improvement talent applies to the 3% leech too. And it was exactly 3,6% increase. But outlaw cannot really get that talent unless you got for vigor which won't happen next tier either afaik (even for FB I think)

[proven ocean]

saying avoidance is useful in m+

[toxic star]

you dont wanna know the shit that mdi augs have been playing

[proven ocean]

brother

they're 1000 times better than you'll ever be

[haughty wigeon]

its highkey true tho

they dont minmax alot of things especially the tank players

[toxic star]

theres prescience autocasting augs in mdi

[haughty wigeon]

[toxic star]

and youre out here appealing to them

[proven ocean]

i dont care about misplays

you wont find those from gingi, clicks, kush, naowh

etc

they never mention leech what a surprise

??

[toxic star]

he doesnt know

[haughty wigeon]

naowh does alot of sus stuff as a tank player too

[proven ocean]

nah

i cba with you

[haughty wigeon]

[proven ocean]

ur either ragebaiting or ur clearly clueless

[toxic star]

theres literal mdi winners that are doing this

[proven ocean]

because he trolls alot in normal keys and everyone knows that

but in serious content he gaps everyone

and plays better than kira even

by alot

[proven ocean]

brother