unluckylee — 1:40 PM
@dense forge please explain coup da grace bug
#outlaw
proven ocean
vivid vessel
tough salmon
Brew discord is like "guys i think-" mod: "you cant know that"
proven ocean
vivid vessel
Ye casual please explain
plush swan
Brew discord is like "guys i think-" mod: "you cant know that"
is haste flask the move next season
i heard PTA haste brew is in season
vivid vessel
Not but fr tho are you trolling or not, cause there ain't no bug worth anything rn
proven ocean
Brew discord is like "guys i think-" mod: "you cant know that"
wait is the brew discord full of cooked mods too
cuz we have that here aswell
but not all of ours are cooked
only half
plush swan
Not but fr tho are you trolling or not, cause there ain't no bug worth anything ...
?? you literally showed me the bug on stream yesterday
nearly doubled my overall
proven ocean
more than half actually
frank finch
wat lol
vivid vessel
?? you literally showed me the bug on stream yesterday
Ye true my bad
Keep it hidden tho
timber zephyr
you are just a habitual liar tomelvis
proven ocean
@idle willow only bug abuse is snd bug
vivid vessel
Yeees
plush swan
<@600109637949325346> only bug abuse is snd bug
search and destroy?
timber zephyr
first you lied about being able to immune xav the unfallen stun with killing spree and now you are lying about coup da grace bug making you do two million more overall than every other rogue spec?
proven ocean
ya
vivid vessel
first you lied about being able to immune xav the unfallen stun with killing spr...
Yes I lie a lot
quasi ether
Not but fr tho are you trolling or not, cause there ain't no bug worth anything ...
luckylee is doing luckylee things
vivid vessel
What can you do
timber zephyr
I knew it.
proven ocean
wtf is xav
guys
i forgot who xav is
someone remind me
too much runescape damaged my braincells
timber zephyr
first poss of top.
timber zephyr
another dungeon that outlaw excels at due to bug abuse
proven ocean
I see
vivid vessel
!ban @luckylee stop yapping noob
plush swan
you guys remember when theater of pain, workshop, AND rookery were all in the same season?
those were not the days...
vivid vessel
Broo
proven ocean
first you lied about being able to immune xav the unfallen stun with killing spr...
ye true
big bug abuse
timber zephyr
i know you guys are swapping sub trickster to abuse the coup de grace bug on a critter then swapping back outlaw abusing the killing spree flawless form bug
torpid fiber
another dungeon that outlaw excels at due to bug abuse
there's no bugs in top you're thinking of arakara
proven ocean
we are all bug babusers here
spread the words
especially sin
biggest bug abusers in the planet
plush swan
sin needs buffs
proven ocean
no cap
plush swan
make iron wire baseline
timber zephyr
tank player statement for sure.
plush swan
you guys remember when rogues were honest players tho?
timber zephyr
no.
proven ocean
you guys remember when rogues were honest players tho?
back when ramfam existed yea
but
torpid fiber
you guys remember when rogues were honest players tho?
fuck no
proven ocean
now
we're
like
idk
toxic i guess
bug abusers
top dps chasers
want more dps even when we are op
plush swan
when is the bug that lets me hit dead bodies coming back?
vivid vessel
proven ocean
my guy is asking the real questions
thats where the real deal is at cuh
sheeeeeeeesh
let me give you a new one since ur here already
if u hit a dying mob
timber zephyr
I'm glad blizzard is moving away from your pre key shenanigans that you and shaman players are constantly doing
vivid vessel
I feel like the bug is back when I play arakara and do 8m dps on first pull
proven ocean
so bf isn't entirely fixed yet
timber zephyr
sick of you guys writing an essay about needing to hit dummies before the keystone starts
plush swan
I feel like the bug is back when I play arakara and do 8m dps on first pull
how do i do the first boss of dawnbreaker without being sad
vivid vessel
how do i do the first boss of dawnbreaker without being sad
What's wrong with that pack
proven ocean
wait
vivid vessel
I did tank damage on that boss yesterday
torpid fiber
sick of you guys writing an essay about needing to hit dummies before the keysto...
that's just for handwarmers
plush swan
yeah dude
vivid vessel
And casual did the exact same on assa
plush swan
outlaw is my alt
vivid vessel
Was good
plush swan
tomorrow 6pm gmt-7
proven ocean
idk what gmt is but i'll be there
plush swan
good
timber zephyr
tfti.
timber zephyr
no idea what ur talking about guy
plush swan
luckylee is super famous
proven ocean
who is luckylee
i remember
someone
with thatn ame
no cap
who is it
idk
my brain tells me i know someone but i dont
torpid fiber
watching "x ignored messages" rapidly climb every time zeross wants to express a thought is so funny
plush swan
Luckylee here. Playing dk too this season. This class does a lot of damage, rerolled off of havoc. I think I might be a new death knight main in future patches. I'll be watching this stream closely for advice.
timber zephyr
someone ban that guy spamming copy pastas in a class discord ?
vivid vessel
Luckylee here. Playing outlaw too this season. This class does a lot of damage, rerolled off of dk. I think I might be a new outlaw main in future patches. I'll be watching this stream closely for advice.
timber zephyr
and that guy too
timber zephyr
alright my work here is done
balmy topaz
Luckylee here. Playing outlaw too this season. This class does a lot of damage, rerolled off of dk. I think I might be a new outlaw main in future patches. I'll be watching this stream closely for advice.
timber zephyr
reflect on your bug abuse crimes rogue players.
vivid vessel
I don't think I will do that
proven ocean
no offense (full offense)
balmy topaz
tardy edge
proven ocean
<:keidumthink:1075057717921722479>
what the cow
sup cow
how u doing
do u moo around or
?
tardy edge
big moo
timber zephyr
i know you guys are swapping sub trickster to abuse the coup de grace bug on a critter then swapping back outlaw abusing the killing spree flawless form bug
wintry solar
reflect on your bug abuse crimes rogue players.
torpid fiber
i know you guys are swapping sub trickster to abuse the coup de grace bug on a c...
Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food?
timber zephyr
idk why they play coy when everyone else is this discord at least owns it
like wox
left canyon
yes but probably not on purpose, just fire everything spamming on accident, that will cancel it huh
tardy edge
bugs are features
wintry solar
bugs are features
Unapproved feature but a feature nonetheless
torpid fiber
real talk bug abuse is cringe but also this sounds like a sub bug to me 🙂
tardy edge
looks like a gooner to me
timber zephyr
<@641024597474541568>
my name is unluckylee probably just a fan?
left canyon
if i press and hollllld during the ability will it continue with no fuckery?
torpid fiber
if i press and hollllld during the ability will it continue with no fuckery?
you can't use kicks/attacks during new ks or it cancels it afaik
timber zephyr
sub is good for 1 week and then nerfed insta everytime
torpid fiber
just gotta wait until the end
torpid fiber
or cancel it correctly
vivid vessel
Noob
proven ocean
i know all the minmaxes of sub i played it alot
dense forge
Dkaddict
proven ocean
i still dont think its good neough
its always inflated in ptr
same shit story
every season
vivid vessel
Go play with real players to instead of fucking pasteurize who tf is pasteurize
proven ocean
and its even worse this seasn compared to season 2 in terms of playstyle
timber zephyr
if you aren't bug abusing why is a capped class like outlaw top damage in an upcapped dungeon like meadery? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=12661&metric=dps
proven ocean
because sectech now comes way faster
instead of buffing its dmg
it doesnt line up super well as it used to without double coup
vivid vessel
if you aren't bug abusing why is a capped class like outlaw top damage in an upc...
Skill issue
proven ocean
with cb that is
vapid blaze
also having 4 simps on your team helps
balmy topaz
if you aren't bug abusing why is a capped class like outlaw top damage in an upc...
Don't get mad get even
dense forge
<@229386660326932481> how much you do in cinder
7.6-8m
timber zephyr
so you are bug abusing
timber zephyr
ok how do I bug abuse
vapid blaze
bug abusing raidbuffs
vivid vessel
Ye just take all the raid buffs
plush swan
can i give a dk my 5% phys dam?
vapid blaze
yeah its AP buff
vivid vessel
But warrior buff should be fine right
timber zephyr
dk has no raid buff and no bugs to abuse anymore since they fixed ours
hopefully they buff dks next season so its closer to the other melees
vivid vessel
It'd just 5% for every spec in the game
Meele I mean
Not enhance I guess cause they have caster spells or smth
And sham buff is good on dk I heard also
If you make a simp dk comp they probably do infinite damage as well
People just don't do that
tardy edge
so having simps really is the way to success
vivid vessel
It is
tardy edge
gender gapped gg
vivid vessel
Me when outlaw does dk damage with a comp that just buffs it by 15% +
Holy shmoly!
Imagine if outlaw got aura buffed by 15% tomorrow
Would be wild no?
Ye
That's just phys comp
Get on with the program noobs
proven ocean
zac
[g๐๐n]
— 2:03 PM
Me when outlaw does dk damage with a comp that just buffs it by 15% +
Holy shmoly!
Imagine if outlaw got aura buffed by 15% tomorrow
Would be wild no?
Ye
That's just phys comp
Get on with the program noobs
torpid fiber
idgi
vivid vessel
What
tribal heron
Warr buff is 5% more dmg to every specc that scales with agility or str, regardless if they do phys or magic damage
craggy kelp
limpid onyx
Not enhance I guess cause they have caster spells or smth
enh uses attack power for their spells
it was split in classic/old wow
warrior monk shaman druid outlaw/hunter/other phys goes hard
barren stream
Not enhance I guess cause they have caster spells or smth
It works for enhancement too
worldly shale
Anyone played disco elysium?
keen belfry
idk why they play coy when everyone else is this discord at least owns it
Wait bruh do you think outlaw players ACTUALLY are bug abusing this season?
I thought this was a meme
fair oak
keen belfry
I swear some people don’t know how to look at data objectively
haughty wigeon
I thought this was a meme
keen belfry
We comparing top dmg log to other logs when all runs arent even logged and all other comps aren’t built around raid buffs😭
We Must Strive To Be More Objective Chat
vivid vessel
enh uses attack power for their spells
ah ok
i tought the actual spells
would mauybne not
but i guess warrior is just a 5% buff for basically every melee in the game then
vivid vessel
We comparing top dmg log to other logs when all runs arent even logged and all o...
imagine if dk players ran with warrior and shaman
kekw
keen belfry
9mil
keen belfry
Legit + like 9ish percent dmg probs right?
keen belfry
We’d get new gooners coming in here saying “so what’s the big abuse thing u do?
vivid vessel
i find it quite disingenious how people will come here and say that outlaw doesnt do damage cause you arent playing the full raid comp
when you can od the same with dks
they just dojnt even need it
ok time for ptr
keen belfry
DK does outlaw dmg no raid buff
keen belfry
But DK player gets gapped and think ok outlaw must be op cheating no?
vivid vessel
let me check if monk would be good for dk actually
keen belfry
Nah but like outlaw OP on god no cap?
vivid vessel
i think unholy is all magical?
neat mist
nerf blade flurry more blizzard pls
vivid vessel
and idk this looks magic aswell
limpid onyx
unsure about st
vivid vessel
this is frost
haughty wigeon
Frost half half
vivid vessel
i think these colors are magic but it could be a mix of magic and physic i legit cannot tell
its a gradiant
ye
maybe
limpid onyx
isnt like 90% oblit damage with proc
haughty wigeon
isnt like 90% oblit damage with proc
Yes
I think only warrior and rogue are the only melee specs with pure physical damage
Wait forgot feral
civic zephyr
yeah but doesnt warrior buff attack power?
haughty wigeon
Rest melee is has a lot of
Magic bake into it
haughty wigeon
yeah but doesnt warrior buff attack power?
Yes ?
civic zephyr
so it would still be better for dk regardless no?
haughty wigeon
Yes
Warrior buff is good for every spec
And tank
It’s not regulated to physical only
civic zephyr
monk buff is purely phys tho right?
civic zephyr
ahh i see
haughty wigeon
If dh brand is not on target
Then all “strike” attribute attacks benefit from mystic touch
Instead
Heck I’m pretty sure
keen belfry
But it effects all melee
Does monk buff a spec like enhance? Or frost dk? Is it close to 5%?
haughty wigeon
Touch is stronger??
haughty wigeon
Does monk buff a spec like enhance? Or frost dk? Is it close to 5%?
Yes
keen belfry
Interesting
haughty wigeon
It’s silly
keen belfry
Even tho their dmg is magic it buffs them
haughty wigeon
Well like
keen belfry
Makes no sense in my head
keen belfry
Enhance is like all nature right?
haughty wigeon
Physical/magic
Shammy have like
Firestrike
Frost strike
All sorts of strike
keen belfry
Ok I need to see dk phys comp
haughty wigeon
And it’s just
keen belfry
Dk phys comp when
haughty wigeon
“Insert element here”/ physical damage
Whatever debuff grants it more damage, is the debuff that’s used for damage calculation
Now I don’t remember if touch is stronger than brand
And thus overwrites brand for ret
And idk if frostdk
Is frost strike oriented
vivid vessel
I thought it stacked ngl
haughty wigeon
Or shadow frost oriented
keen belfry
Now I don’t remember if touch is stronger than brand
So they don’t double dip?
haughty wigeon
I thought it stacked ngl
Nope
They made damn sure it doesn’t double dip
Unless something changed recently
haughty wigeon
Yep
keen belfry
But okay what’s max dk damage comp
thorn river
where can i find the option in weapon swap reminder WA to change offhand ?
thorn river
can only find the cudgel instead of the weapon i want to swap to on bosses
haughty wigeon
But then I’m like unsure if that shadow frost has the physical flag on it
keen belfry
Make dk dmg comp
NOW
haughty wigeon
Like how havoc chaos damage attribute has physical in it
keen belfry
Tired from work
haughty wigeon
can only find the cudgel instead of the weapon i want to swap to on bosses
!wa
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Class packs:
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Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
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vivid vessel
Read desc
It works the opposite way
You input the AOE weapon
Not the weapon you want
thorn river
yeh but it wont swap back to the OH i want
vivid vessel
yeh but it wont swap back to the OH i want
It's a weak aura
thorn river
o wtf
vivid vessel
It doesn't automatically swap
civic zephyr
so is warr/dh better for frost dk? or am i stoopid
vivid vessel
its ok
thorn river
actually braindead
haughty wigeon
so is warr/dh better for frost dk? or am i stoopid
Yes
civic zephyr
im learning
haughty wigeon
Both their buffs effect dk
civic zephyr
next season ill be a key pusher i swear
haughty wigeon
While monk debuff doesn’t
Which is crazy
I thought they had both physical and magical split but apparently
Only magic
civic zephyr
do i lock in and actually become a rogue player
vapid sundial
While monk debuff doesn’t
Monk debuff is kinda dog doodoo
Bc a majority of the 'pure physical' classes have a lot of magic mixed in
Whereas dh hits way more
keen belfry
"I'm some random in the rogue discord, prove me wrong '
Awang biggest non random
All time
Right guys?
vapid sundial
tidal sequoia
https://wago.io/elwWiwJax
woudnt knuckles + cudgel be good on aoe ?
nvm im stoopid
hot island
Do we not press BTE outside of subterfuge?
vapid sundial
Random 500 words on one like each incoming
hot island
Is dispatch better at that point
hot island
RP?
hot island
Ahh
Okay, I've been using it once since vanish refreshes the CD anyways but I guess I should leave it unless buff runs out
vapid sundial
Yeah unless you have crit buff
hot island
Oh yea the shark fin
Cheers
Question about supercharged CP. If I have 5 and I use RTB then it counts as a 7 cp finisher right? But if i have 7 does it count as 9 or does it not use the charged CP till they are available
vale warren
It's +3 so with 5 it counts as 8 and with 7 it counts as 10
And with 7 + coup it counts as 15
hot island
Is the scaling linear on the extra cp? Or should i aim to still hit 7/8 cp finishers instead or is it miniscule
hot island
It's +3 so with 5 it counts as 8 and with 7 it counts as 10
Cheers, ive been curious about that for a while
dense rampart
Yoo so I have around 660ilvl, but even in +6 I kinda feel dookie with my damage? I know I am doing my rotation optimally. Is it because I play hidden opportunity? I have 20% haste.
hot island
Yoo so I have around 660ilvl, but even in +6 I kinda feel dookie with my damage?...
How much damage did you do? Was it big pulls? Boss fight deaths from others which prolonged ST for you?
Proper enchants and stat priority?
daring oxide
what you playing next tier
vale warren
Is the scaling linear on the extra cp? Or should i aim to still hit 7/8 cp finis...
It's linear but you still wanna try to spend on 6+ generally
neat mist
what you playing next tier
He's playing mage
wintry solar
He's playing wow
neat mist
Nah he's maining League now
neat mist
OSRS is not real
vivid vessel
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFm__hQTMs2hpO9VgtDjRn-rZQuUhcZU2?si=kP0gFbICc-5S83pb ub proc is so delayed you can press dispatch before it proc coup @gaunt phoenix
balmy topaz
wtf
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
idk lol
tulip quarry
!wa
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
balmy topaz
That is wild
loud wing
They wanted to make outlaw less apm so they added that YEP
vivid vessel
ye
my bad
stealthi
you will have to deal with that shit aswell
so
better start getting ready
charred carbon
what trinks you use in ptr
fluid iron
u think im gonna be willingly playing outlaw ? 
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
u think im gonna be willingly playing outlaw ? <:KEKW:715238478199259236>
you have the same shit on sub wdym
charred carbon
❤️
fluid iron
you have the same shit on sub wdym
our gcd is so slow
charred carbon
lol u not using 4 set ?
wintry solar
OSRS is not real
I keep forgetting about its existence
short heath
Do you think HO vs KiR dmg diff is gonna become bigger with season 3?
glass mortar
yes
jolly rune
I was wondering that too, seemed to me like HO would be better since there was a sizable buff to single target
glass mortar
ho is behind on ptr
jolly rune
Really?
glass mortar
yes
latent oak
latent oak
ho really likes current tier ya
jolly rune
I’m gonna miss being able to roll a lot
Thought it made the complexity of RTB a little more forgiving
vivid vessel
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
wintry solar
I’m gonna miss being able to roll a lot
It's not a goodbye, it's more of a see you later
toxic star
the crackshot dispatch in logs should be under bte right? not under dispatch
vivid vessel
well can you diferentiate it ?
toxic star
yea diff id
glass mortar
in logs its under dispatch
vivid vessel
we have it under bte in simc
toxic star
fixing
toxic star
ye
glass mortar
putting it under bte does it count towards btes average damage and increase its average cast?
that would make sense
jolly rune
**Rogue Spreadsheet - [Light Version](<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/...
A 15% loss in DPS to use fatebound in a dungeon seems like a lot. Is that normal?
jolly rune
Normal like other classes see the same things with their specs?
glass mortar
fatebound is quite behind in aoe this season ye
same next season tbh, not as big tho
jolly rune
Is it ahead in single target?
glass mortar
in s3 yes
jolly rune
Ahhh, I might wanna learn that now then lol
glass mortar
its just easier then trickster tbh
it has slightly different rules to vanish is the only change
since it doesnt have coup to deal with u vanish based on supercharger/RtB buffs
im not sure what its kspree rules r gunna look like but its likely it will play kspree next season
glass mortar
its not real apm and it only ever confuses people on the cast log/table
willow portal
what is a "concentrated" version of my poison?
glass mortar
if u mouseover the tooltip while u have a nonlethal poison on
it tells u
the shiv on ur bars
willow portal
same tooltip
fluid shell
its like 20% stronger version right?
willow portal
atrophic
glass mortar
that might be why
willow portal
ah
glass mortar
for crip its a stronger slow, for numbing its a higher reduction for 5s
not generally ever pressed for this
willow portal
wasnt there a way to have a higher atrophic?
willow portal
ah ok so with 3.6% i got max value already
glass mortar
ye
atrophic shiv probably wouldnt be healthy
having a rogue shiv every big raid mechanic
vivid vessel
should the cast for it then be hidden from the casts table?
ye that would be insane
willow portal
is tehre a way to macro ambush and sinister strike to the same button and only use when in stealth?
glass mortar
just put ambush where ur SS would be on ur stealth bar
wintry solar
Just have it on the same bind
worldly shale
is tehre a way to macro ambush and sinister strike to the same button and only u...
#showtooltip
/cast [stance] Ambush; Sinister Strike
/startattack
willow portal
i dont have stealth bar
toxic star
ye that would be insane
also deploying
worldly shale
imagine having a stealth bar
toxic star
wish more people would reach out about this kinda stuff, so many little inaccuracies 
willow portal
#showtooltip
/cast [stance] Ambush; Sinister Strike
/startattack
does that work like i imagine or do i have to pay attention to sth with this macro?
wintry solar
When was the last time we vanished into ambush?
worldly shale
never had a problem when i played HO god forbid me doing it again
glass mortar
well u still do it if you would drop adr building to max cp
so u do it rarely as ho
willow portal
i am playing HO right now for keys
worldly shale
itll have stance delay but u dont usually vanish>ambush so
and how much penalty would that even be tbh
in the worst case scenario
glass mortar
not huge
u occasionaly SS instead of ambushing
in the very rare time ur vanish ambushing
probably less then 0.1% loss
dense rampart
How do you learn all the little intrecate details about outlaw like this? I thought I knew how to play until I joined this server and don't understand 50% of what it's said lmao
late swallow
https://twitter.com/_GR3/status/1946745749179596812
no way arcane is at the bottom
upper surge
worldly shale
https://twitter.com/_GR3/status/1946745749179596812
Dks making a protest because of the changes kinda destroys this whole post
late swallow
arcane players start screeching immediately after they aren't omega giga overtuned
upper surge
arcane players start screeching immediately after they aren't omega giga overtun...
You should see the mage moderators in their ptr thread, lmao
late swallow
the DK protest copypasta has to be the most cringe shit to come out of any class discord ever
upper surge
late swallow
LMAO
short heath
That's what makes em money. I see too many with the new 90 bucks mount in dornogal
We should boycott the cash shop instead of buying whatever they serve us
wintry solar
the DK protest copypasta has to be the most cringe shit to come out of any class...
What's the copypasta
Gripnotaraidbuff?
late swallow
Gripnotaraidbuff?
yeah that one
short heath
blizz has the most loyal pay pig farm
Then we need to get used to it
royal ermine
I've unfortunately had to raid with that guy before, absolutely insufferable human
late swallow
I've unfortunately had to raid with that guy before, absolutely insufferable hum...
add an 'R' after the 'E' in your name king
upper surge
I've unfortunately had to raid with that guy before, absolutely insufferable hum...
I'm not surprised lmao they give off that impression
royal ermine
dont worry my guild already did that
late swallow
dont worry my guild already did that
boner and diddles in the same group is crazy
wintry solar
A storm of boner diddles
late swallow
A storm of boner diddles
new GRRM book?????
wintry solar
I know not what that means
worldly shale
I know not what that means
get reincarnated roomba monkey
wintry solar
Damn, roomba monkey is a banger name
worldly shale
wintry solar
Exactly 12 characters
willow portal
how do i sim for aoe?
gaunt phoenix
dungeonslice results are generally fine
willow portal
kk
pliant wind
Yesterday Petko tier list
covert heart
Ohh the lovely tier list that the community cares way to much about
covert heart
Maybe a little maybe I can coach you sometime
vivid vessel
on bt rolls
and you have nothing to kir
and then you dont get momemtum
and you are stuck forever
in the despair of hell
gaunt phoenix
isn't that how it was with loaded dice before
vivid vessel
ye maybe
maybe its just that i do tank damage when i low roll so its more noticeable idk
im so confused
covert heart
You try getting high rolls all the time?
pliant wind
Tank damage
pliant wind
Nah is just funny, could be this patch be worse than 11.1?
vivid vessel
no
pliant wind
Because we were fixed ? 
upbeat tundra
how much overall are you doing on outlaw on the ptr
gaunt phoenix
true
late swallow
how much overall are you doing on outlaw on the ptr
hey clush are you excited for another season of outlaw m+ domination?
hot olive
pliant wind
Nice
upbeat tundra
hey clush are you excited for another season of outlaw m+ domination?
always
@vivid vessel i have heard the phrase "the outlaw player zac is doing tank damage on the ptr, outlaw is bad" in like 3 different streams now, but every clip i see is you doing good dam
whats the lore here
vivid vessel
im delusional
violet bison
Doing the work to get outlaw buffed again deal tank dmg on other streams = stonks
upbeat tundra
Doing the work to get outlaw buffed again deal tank dmg on other streams = stonk...
every clip i see is him not doing tank dam thats what im saying
violet bison
nvm he’s an impostor
jolly geyser
dont worry be happy
blissful elk
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
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- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
every clip i see is him not doing tank dam thats what im saying
nah idk, anytime you dont roll good you are doing tank damage
and in st it can be quite crazy
yesterday i did some keys
in basically every key i was closer to tank than dps on every boss
idk
i felt like
glass mortar
1 fth is giga cursed to play
without this tier set
ngl
really hate how PC is lookin to shape us next season
pliant wind
in basically every key i was closer to tank than dps on every boss
This seems sad
vivid vessel
but like idk the variance especially on st is wild to me idk
disregard this dk tho he is first timing
but ye
idk man
pliant wind
Ugh i hate that
upbeat tundra
your overall in your last set of logs looks good, youre top damage in 2 of the keys
vapid blaze
is fire mage just op
are do you actualy do no damage
zealous plinth
vivid vessel
is fire mage just op
are do you actualy do no damage
its ok
mighty pivot
mage is a good class
pliant wind
Seems pretty RNG dependant sometimes as i can see in this tier
vivid vessel
its worse than arcane i think
pliant wind
And that sucks
vivid vessel
cause arcane does the same overall while doing funnel
vapid blaze
ok so you do no st damage or what
outlaw padder class
pliant wind
And KS cant help with funnel now
pliant wind
Pure random targets
vivid vessel
idk
bro idk man
yesterday i was doing keys with casual
and assa does more or similar overall
glass mortar
have u tried ghostly 2 fth no pc build
see if the baseline aoe is high enough to pick up st
vivid vessel
while doing mroe st, being uncapped, having cds, and infinite prio
so im like
ok
what do i do
vivid vessel
have u tried ghostly 2 fth no pc build
nah no way
we do litteraly 0 aoe
if i dont take pc
glass mortar
would improve variance alot
vivid vessel
its over
glass mortar
yea idk
pc does damage
but just makes variance worse
dropping fth
what about zero st no ghostly 2 fth pc build
vapid blaze
well with pc atleast you kinda good on low target
pliant wind
We will have a lot of trouble getting picked in high level keys coz no funnel nor st
If no pre ofc
vivid vessel
also people keep telling me
its cause i dont play full phys comp
but dk get just as much damage playing full phys comp
so what does this mean
its not like only outlaw gained damage from phys comp
glass mortar
doesnt get as much from monk as u but monk isnt buffed anymore so
probably doesnt matter
glass mortar
ya
mighty pivot
well dk would prefer VDH over monk buff
glass mortar
how is it a slice loss to drop gs man....
cause aoe got nerfed and st got buffed ig
zzz
1 fth is so shit
glass mortar
i dont wanna play this
lone spear
hmm, this actually doesnt bode well
vapid blaze
i mean we wont get any talent tree tweaks will we
glass mortar
yea i mean ur damage profile just gets worse when one hero tree is bis in st and the other is trash st good in aoe
but thats what we goin back to next season so
vapid blaze
idk gonna be weird in raid too
glass mortar
yea cause fatebound is bad at cleave too
so even if u wanna be good on low target count cleave u wanna play the build thats trashed st
vapid blaze
cleave spec not even good at cleave
feels good
i remember df
losing 1.5% for full aoe 🙂
lone spear
ehhh, the logs on the sheet looked good for the aoe fights even before the buff
so idk, it might not be griefed on those
glass mortar
i didnt say we'd be bad at cleave
lone spear
but im scared of last bosses
vapid blaze
well yeah but u just padd those adds
glass mortar
but if u go cleave talents ur boss damage is going to be
vapid blaze
you gonna be deadlast on boss damage
vivid vessel
ehhh, the logs on the sheet looked good for the aoe fights even before the buff
ye these fights are crazy pc fight tho idk
glass mortar
vivid vessel
i was last boss damage
vapid blaze
you gonna be fighting with the tanks tbh
lone spear
we so back 
glass mortar
our thing forever was just doing tons of free cleave of pisser mobs while doing decent boss damage
this is my least favorite damage profile
vapid blaze
in df s3
we didnt even do decent boss damage
it was pretty good
vapid blaze
and losing pmush 0 damage to get some good cleave
vivid vessel
then nerfing bf baseline
vapid blaze
on a class
with permanent cleave active
glass mortar
more then we ever have been
🤷
i mean zac i already said this just smelled like a pc tax to me
vivid vessel
it is
outlaw aoe in raid looked crazy
while being subpar in m+
so you get punished
vapid blaze
they will surely nerf pc
if you just pad every boss
lone spear
oh god
vivid vessel
luckely outlaw is gonna be so bad on the last 2 bosses we are safe
vapid blaze
idk pc cant be balanced in its current iteration no
lone spear
lots of gear to farm 
vapid blaze
maybe it should have different scaling per targets
glass mortar
i mean it can u understand there are a lot of specs in the game like this
giving up giga st for aoe
and doing big or ok aoe
its just never been outlaw
and i dont want it to be outlaw
vapid blaze
is it?
glass mortar
i hate that shitty damage profile
vapid blaze
i feel like they moved away from that
glass mortar
nah still def exists
vapid blaze
yeah but its more an exception
lone spear
its happening less and less
vapid blaze
cause almost all classes have cleave now
look at rogue
assa has uncapped perma bladeflurry
so does sub
lone spear
but lads, guy said its fine to have an aoe tree and a st tree
vapid blaze
it prob is
but not if there is this much of a gap
glass mortar
sub and assass r pretty different then most specs
glass mortar
rogue itself has been pretty good for prio damage for a long time
hard wolf
Hey Guys, i have a maybe dumb question, i searched for the info but didnt find it in the guides. Do we BTE before Vanish to get an extra BTE? I saw some Players not doing that and wondered why.
gaunt phoenix
trickster is not concerned about it
vapid blaze
sub and assass r pretty different then most specs
idk what class is like that i legit cant think of smth
feral i guess
glass mortar
survival
lone spear
MM right?
glass mortar
mm
glass mortar
idk i feel like alot of specs give up 20% st or more to go their best aoe build
outlaw we've had seasons we gave up legit 4%
vapid blaze
im not talking about best aoe
vapid blaze
im talking they go from st
to cleave and its usually not alot of difference
glass mortar
im talking about dungeon spec vs st spec
vapid blaze
oh sure
glass mortar
because thats how much "boss" damage ur usually bringing to a m+ dungeon
vapid blaze
fair
glass mortar
but outlaws profile is already limiting enough i dont wanna make this tradeoff
#1 pc hater tbh
gaunt phoenix
ye
toxic star
is it expected that my dslice sim pushes me towards crit/vers over haste/vers despite being at 9% haste atm when playing HO?
pliant wind
Yep
gaunt phoenix
HO without ghostly strike can get away with 9% haste, though you can get a bit more to help cover rng/feint
pliant wind
i always liked a little more like 12 buts HO needs very little haste
blissful thunder
what exactly do you guys use meld on
for damage
meld stealth is a bit sketch ofc so just like meld ambush or
lone spear
what do you mean
like what button i press out of meld+stealth?
if you're melding just for an ambush its like, the smallest of gains
to the point that i would just save it for utility
frail veldt
meld stealth is a bit sketch ofc so just like meld ambush or
You cant meld ambush f you don't stealth
Melds entire value is restealth
Have to learn to make it work
Well it also has value to meld mechanics obv
craggy barn
blissful thunder
You cant meld ambush f you don't stealth
o perhaps i read it wrong then
read on wowhead that meld allows u to use stealthed ability
blissful thunder
gotcha aight
hm i just
are we sure
cause i just got in combat, melded then hit ambush
and it let me
gaunt phoenix
you can meld into ambush
gaunt phoenix
but the kir build doesnt even use ambush
blissful thunder
im playing ho
gaunt phoenix
for HO you should probably save it for when audacity and opportunity are not active
so you can ambush when it is otherwise not available
blissful thunder
mhm yeah p much all i've been doing but just wondering if theres something more
stray star
With the tierset proc we just send 2 coupe of Grace or se build cp for the second?
blissful thunder
curious on thoughts between ho vs kir?, kir has a bit more damage but is harder?
gaunt phoenix
With the tierset proc we just send 2 coupe of Grace or se build cp for the secon...
you build cps if you can ambush/pistol shot/AR/BF/GS
but if you have to sinister strike
then send coup early instead
chilly atlas
do i need to learn sub now zac? 😛
sudden fulcrum
it's good to know all the specs anyway so you have options for the situations that favor them
lone spear
if you want safety, learn ass, then you have 2/3 chance of playing something good and it takes 30min 
bright lodge
Should I drop a bit vers to not get taxed w/ dru buff and start drinking crit flask?
hybrid crown
Dr applies for the stat over 35%
Like if you have 35.1% vers only the .1% is 10% less effective
Also druid buff if I'm not mistaken ignores Dr as it's a flat increase right?
royal ermine
motw is flat 3% yes
valid kindle
also you don't have to think of stat drs in general, just sim
it'll be taken into account
hybrid crown
Also tax brackets work the same way just a pro tip
lone spear
you also dont have to think of those if you dont pay taxes
valid kindle
my country doesn't scam me into needing do that myself/with third party software so don't need to think about it regardless
upbeat tundra
cant even a beat a dk with a monk buff gg its joever
hybrid crown
Well in the US there are a shocking amount of people who think hitting the next tax bracket can cause their pay to go down lol
inland acorn
There's a lot of shocking things in US
hybrid crown
That's a bit non outlaw related I guess moving on
gaunt phoenix
?!?!?#?>
mighty pivot
ordered by prio damage now
blissful thunder
it has moved
upbeat tundra
are you saying between 2.4 million and 4 million
vivid vessel
ye
upbeat tundra
thats certainly a range
mighty pivot
between 50 and 50 million dps
digital onyx
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
7.5% stddev
mighty pivot
from 4.8 to 7.5?
hybrid crown
What's ADR uptime on FB /trickster in sims with new tier
vivid vessel
adr uptime isnt even the issue i feel like
gaunt phoenix
from 4.8 to 7.5?
Well 3 minute has always been abit higher