Wait wtf
#outlaw
stuck patrol
gaunt phoenix
I fully expect the next rework to remove uhuh or change it to vanish literally giving you a few seconds of AR
stuck patrol
What's the effect that makes Adr proc
lime lake
torpid fiber
I assume u mean the sl leggo
fathom bramble
Choice node with underhanded upper hand
Upper Hand: Spending combo points extends Adrenaline Rush and Blade flurry durations by x seconds per combo point spent. Additionally Blade flurry and Adrenaline rush cannot lose duration if you have not spent or generated combo points in the last 3 seconds
gaunt phoenix
Overhanded under hand
stuck patrol
Choice node with underhanded upper hand
**Upper Hand**: Spending combo points e...
Better but still icky
wintry solar
Choice node with underhanded upper hand
**Upper Hand**: Spending combo points e...
That's a good cook right thar
torpid fiber
I think they kinda either need to gut combo point gen or give us a second adr charge at this point
stuck patrol
Second Adr charge would be really nice too
fathom bramble
2nd adr charge continues to be a good fix for outlaws problems
wintry solar
Bandaid fix
gaunt phoenix
We love charges
torpid fiber
You can't fix the adr uptime problem by changing uhuh without just making the spec feel shit
wintry solar
I'd rather they just make not having adr feel like ass
torpid fiber
I agree
fathom bramble
whether adr is up often or rarely, strong or weak, 2 charges is fitting
wintry solar
Instead of 2nd charge
torpid fiber
I'd rather they just make not having adr feel like ass
but I think that needs to go the combo point gen nerf route
stuck patrol
Also thank god everyone is agreeing with me essentially, I've been saying this since UHUH was created, and the usual response was that UHUH "is the only unique part of outlaw left" or "get good"
fathom bramble
2 charges being a suggeestion goes all the way back to when ADR was reasonable strong and like 30% uptime
stuck patrol
I knew everyone would come to my side with enough time
fathom bramble
it just fits for different reasons
torpid fiber
uhuh has two parts
The cool part where you keep adr between packs and the other part where it enables adr uptime in a way that makes gameplay tuned so that its miserable when it drops
wintry solar
Also thank god everyone is agreeing with me essentially, I've been saying this s...
I thought I hated crackshot but in reality I hated uhuh
stuck patrol
uhuh has two parts
The cool part where you keep adr between packs and the other ...
This would be fine if the game was just full of patchwork fights
torpid fiber
Like imagine if uhuh also preserved adr when you were mounted/in a vehicle
idk why it doesn't tbh
stuck patrol
I thought I hated crackshot but in reality I hated uhuh
Welcome to having the right opinion B)
torpid fiber
"You can keep adr between packs but also only between some packs"
torpid fiber
I don't think outlaw needs a high adr uptime to be fun
It doesn't but fixing this goes back to "we gotta nerf combo point gen a ton"
wintry solar
That's fine
stuck patrol
Essentially, if the game making you do mechanics/wait on RP makes you lose a buff that makes you spec play NORMALLY, there's something wrong
wintry solar
That's a rework for midnight angle
torpid fiber
I agree but it's a lot harder of a solution to implement than just giving adr a second charge
stuck patrol
You can't have doing mechanics make a spec play like shit
torpid fiber
Essentially, if the game making you do mechanics/wait on RP makes you lose a buf...
Yeah this is how I feel
stuck patrol
Lose damage? Sure
But not make you play like your character hasn't eaten or drank anything for a week
torpid fiber
And bc it's just our spec the solution isn't "don't have rp" it's "make the tool the spec already has to avoid issues like that work 100% of the time"
like even just adding it being preserved while mounted would be huge for e.g. dawnbreaker
stuck patrol
I don't think outlaw needs a high adr uptime to be fun
This is proven by the fact that outlaw used to have Adr have a 30% uptime
Energy gen was nerfed for uhuh
Which makes UHUH a must pick
fathom bramble
the problem is that outlaw has had this weakness since legion
stuck patrol
There is no build without it
fathom bramble
it might be more pronounced now, but with the relatively long duration of AR we have always had a mechanics problem like this
torpid fiber
but yeah second adr charge pls pls pls blizzard
wintry solar
the problem is that outlaw has had this weakness since legion
Ever since restless blades came into existence tbh
fathom bramble
where you can't afford to hold it and spending it risks bricking your damage for the next 60 seconds
stuck patrol
it might be more pronounced now, but with the relatively long duration of AR we ...
Yes, but UHUH makes the issues WAY worse
fathom bramble
I feel like it got worse with outlaw since average AR uptime went up so much compared to combat rogue
but it is kind of a perma restless problem
and the answer has always been 2 charges
so you can afford to hold it
and have some kind of agency over it
stuck patrol
Outlaw needs to be high apm, with periods of super high apm with adr being at a 30%ish uptime
And yeah, Adr 2 charges would be really good for the spec as well
And/or Adr with crackshot
Like, having Adr while stealthed/subterfuged
wintry solar
We've not had uhuh and 2 charges of adr since forever and I thought we were fine before
white marten
HO buff when?
stuck patrol
We've not had uhuh and 2 charges of adr since forever and I thought we were fine...
We def were, I think Realz was trying something cool that didn't quite work out in practice
torpid fiber
HO buff when?
sorry they're forcing all the HO players to learn addition next tier
wintry solar
It wasn't that bad at first tbh
stuck patrol
but it is kind of a perma restless problem
The thing is, even with restless being a problem, outlaw still played fine before UHUH
wintry solar
It was fine but I knew I'd get annoyed quick
fathom bramble
AR having such a long duration and a slightly random CD has always been disruptive to our ability to apply the spec to an encounter
stuck patrol
Rotationally
I'm not even talking about damage
I'm saying UHUH makes the spec play like shit unless you play it perfectly/do no mechanics
stuck patrol
Exactly
white marten
sorry they're forcing all the HO players to learn addition next tier
Why learn addition when you can just make a WA that adds for you?
torpid fiber
True bearing was nerfed in df pre-patch iirc, so there was clearly a combo point gen issue since that point
torpid fiber
Why learn addition when you can just make a WA that adds for you?
bc the weakaura can't tell me what to press in 2 gcds sadly
stuck patrol
But when you are reliant on keeping a buff up 90% of the time that can fall off from things out of your control, when it used to be a 30% uptime
Like, it is a massive issue
Restless blades aside
torpid fiber
True bearing was nerfed in df pre-patch iirc, so there was clearly a combo point...
God how the fuck did pre-nerf fth ever release in that state
Actually gotta be one of the most absurd talents ever
stuck patrol
God how the fuck did pre-nerf fth ever release in that state
Actually gotta be ...
I just remember after that nerf, SOOO many rogue noobs were upset, crying that it "ruined the flow of outlaw"
It was so fucking funny
torpid fiber
I was calling for a nerf since day 1 bc that talent existing ruined the flow of outlaw for me
fathom bramble
I just think that the issues uhuh enhanced have existed for such a long time that a fix more targeted at the actual problems makes more sense than removing uhuh and moving on
torpid fiber
They removed 3 combo points from opp proc and I still think it's fucking the spec up 
stuck patrol
Flow = over capping combopoints over and over again, obviously
Using an extra generator? CRINGE
torpid fiber
legit I think the issue is that we just generate too many combo points
Like the maths rn is that cooldowns are what, 25% of of their stated actual cooldown?
surely the goal should be that that number is like 40-50%
stuck patrol
I just think that the issues uhuh enhanced have existed for such a long time tha...
Numberswise probably. But when it comes to gameplay, restless blades doesn't effect energy gen/apm as much as UHUH does
fathom bramble
I'm not sure what you mean
torpid fiber
Nah RB is the reason uhuh is a problem
stuck patrol
legit I think the issue is that we just generate too many combo points
Like the...
Not entirely sure I agree with this tbh, I think it's fine. Makes outlaw unique.
torpid fiber
RB is the heart of the spec but uhuh doesn't do anything weird on any spec without rb
fathom bramble
I think restless is fantastic and the heart of the spec
torpid fiber
Not entirely sure I agree with this tbh, I think it's fine. Makes outlaw unique...
I think in practice 7cp with current gen feels similar to 5cp with sl gen, just worse lows
I love rb tbc
fathom bramble
it just needs some caveats on theee actual skills it is reducing to increease how useful you can be in a raid encounter
I think theree is someeething wrong with my e key
novel socket
is the raid in ptr tuned the same way as live ?
torpid fiber
an alternative option is just like
Give us a button we can mash that gives cdr at the cost of a damageless gcd. Essentially make snd bug an intentional part of the spec.
novel socket
like do people that normally do not beat the last bosses of a raid in mythic push the raid in ptr ?
stuck patrol
RB is the heart of the spec but uhuh doesn't do anything weird on any spec witho...
I would disagree, even without RB I think UHUH would still be awful, keeping adr up as long as possible makes it so they have to tune it so your energy gen is low without it
torpid fiber
anyways brb
novel socket
because of different scaling or tuning
stuck patrol
They def interact with each other
fathom bramble
without rb you would have AR active for 29 seconds out of every 3 minutes
balmy topaz
without rb you would have AR active for 29 seconds out of every 3 minutes
Might as well rename the channel to combat
wintry solar
April 1st bit inc
stuck patrol
an alternative option is just like
Give us a button we can mash that gives cdr ...
I agree with this. I also have argued that a cp gen with low damage, has a CD, but costs no energy would be helpful/interesting
stuck patrol
without rb you would have AR active for 29 seconds out of every 3 minutes
Well yeah, I'm saying the above assuming that they tuned Adr to be a way lower cd
fathom bramble
sounds like how we use to use shiv
stuck patrol
Exactly
I'm saying the issue for gameplay purposes is low energy out of Adr, and UHUH makes it so it's possible to go a lot of time without it
And loss of short gcd
fathom bramble
Well yeah, I'm saying the above assuming that they tuned Adr to be a way lower c...
if AR/vanish didn't rely on efficient combo point expidenture to get uptime then I don't think it would be nearly as a much of a problem
like regardless of total uptime
but again
restless good and important for the feel of the spec
if it was just a simple CD then no matter how good or bad you are playing it would have the same uptime
stuck patrol
it just needs some caveats on theee actual skills it is reducing to increease ho...
What would you change in regards to this then, if you were a dev?
stuck patrol
I mean yeah, I agree
fathom bramble
part of the problem is that if you get a mechanic you might be losing like 18 seconds of AR with nothing to fall back on
which is true at any uptime
stuck patrol
I feel like we basically agree here, we just don't agree which problem is the worst problem
fathom bramble
we need spare uptime to play with to ensure that uncontrolled events don't destroy you
true
I think to put my own position into fewer words
Restless blades requires design considerations that we are missing, and while we aree missing those UHUH makes the problems that arise even worse
stuck patrol
Restless blades requires design considerations that we are missing, and while we...
Agreed 100%
gaunt phoenix
What if we just go back to late shadowlands
wintry solar
I also just don't find subt looping fun
wintry solar
What did we even complain about
How many builds we had
chilly atlas
blunderbussy?
wintry solar
And how fun it was
gaunt phoenix
Target cap
wintry solar
Sarcasm btw
gaunt phoenix
That's it
lime lake
it was a more peaceful time
wintry solar
We should totally go back
haughty moat
What did we even complain about
ER was the worst skill ever?!
lime lake
factually wrong
wintry solar
Guile was bad
lime lake
kyrian shadowdust was goated
gaunt phoenix
ER mfd was so fun
molten flicker
I thought dreadblades during the shadowlands prepatch felt so fun
wintry solar
Well if we're only bringing ER back then nvm
gaunt phoenix
That was df prepatch but ye
molten flicker
Err yeah
chilly atlas
even s4 was pretty fun in sl
gaunt phoenix
Yes it was
chilly atlas
s4 df was so disappointing
stuck patrol
What if restless blades slowly increased its effectiveness from the next finisher with stacks, so in periods of not spending combopoints we come back with a bigger cdr and stacks are consumed
inner sky
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
fathom bramble
bring back the original blunderbuss/greenskins gaming
wintry solar
Fr
fathom bramble
35% chance for an opp proc to be blunderbuss instead for likee 6x the damage
lining it up with greenskins
chilly atlas
greenskin was the first leggo i got in legion đ
stuck patrol
Blunderbussy def felt a lot more wild
wintry solar
Blizz had gold with SL
molten flicker
Blunderbuss was definitely fun
gaunt phoenix
I know what we complained about in SL
bright lodge
Wasnât rogue in meta push comp w/o even a single raid buff in SL?
gaunt phoenix
Bugs
chilly atlas
so nothings changed?
stuck patrol
Crackshot I think was a really good addition though, after they made stealth/vanish reset BTE cd
stuck patrol
Shadowlands outlaw was really fun tho
wintry solar
and this is all a dream
I wish
molten flicker
I wonder how far back the âblade flurry tries to hit dead mobsâ bug went. Probably since itâs been target capped
stuck patrol
maybe we are still in shadowlands
Actually we are still in BFA, N'zoth has been making us dream this whole time
wintry solar
Actually we are still in BFA, N'zoth has been making us dream this whole time
Bfa outlaw was fun too
gaunt phoenix
No but bf was technically trying to hit dead targets since mop
molten flicker
The flags from the original spell remained
novel socket
gaunt phoenix
It just didnt matter until cap
torpid fiber
Yeah it's an easy bug to miss
molten flicker
I was trying to push a bit as outlaw and always wondered why my dps felt like it went down on long/large pulls
trail plinth
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into BtE.
molten flicker
Was especially noticeable in everbloom
mighty pivot
rogue had target cap in mop ?
yes target cap on BF was removed in legion
it was like 4 targets before
or something
fathom bramble
yes target cap on BF was removed in legion
warlords actually
went from 4 straight to infinite
mighty pivot
well, it was legion prepatch
fathom bramble
no it was leveling up in warlords
it was one of our 4 spec passives
legion removed enhanced blade flurry and other dreanor spec passives and made some baseline
mighty pivot
ah I see
fathom bramble
if your just looking at change history to BF then it shows legion
since it misses the dreanor passive we had
mighty pivot
forgot about the weird perk system of wod
inner sky
!sims
ornate heathBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
soft shard
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
limpid plank
jhow much worse is fatebound vs trickster??
frail veldt
jhow much worse is fatebound vs trickster??
In what content
In st fatebound KiR is on par with trickster
In m+ or AOE it's around 15% behind
limpid plank
thats a ridiculous number sheesh
frail veldt
I mean yeah trickster has big bf
limpid plank
bf?
gaunt phoenix
ionic niche
Hey gamers, does anyone here have a WeakAura that shows which Roll the Bones buffs will be kept and which ones will be rerolled on the next cast? Thanks in advance.
ionic niche
Thanks, you're a legend
acoustic pivot
So hows outlaw looking on PTR. i see its getting some small love. but not sure how that translates
gaunt phoenix
we're fine
acoustic pivot
it has not been super enjoyable this season honestly. lol feels very underwhelming after the coup 'fix'
frail veldt
I'm guessing our adr uptime is similar next season @gaunt phoenix ?
With longer KS and losing tier but gaining double coup
gaunt phoenix
It's more
frail veldt
Oh that's good
I guess with so many seasons of this can we assume blizzard is okay with 90+% adr uptime haha
cinder relic
I'm half expecting that to be changed for midnight but we will see
new expac is on the horizon boys
Exciting things
oak plover
Scarizard out, time for new guy to take over rogues
sudden fulcrum
finally, the surfer guy is in
upper surge
sudden fulcrum
probably because you're in every class discord
civic zephyr
I rly hope they remove crackshot as a whole
empty patrol
I rly hope they remove crackshot as a whole
what kind of pirate heresy is this
civic zephyr
@empty patrol 2 years of outlaw and carpal tunnel
empty patrol
<@363351758765948929> 2 years of outlaw and carpal tunnel
20 years of rogue says u got to be better than pain
also listen to Guy,smart person
finite arch
crackshot is awesome
balmy topaz
I'm guessing our adr uptime is similar next season <@921608341048930304> ?
Youâll be looking at 95-100% uptime in a dungeon
frail veldt
I rly hope they remove crackshot as a whole
whys that?
crackshot is not the cause of your carpal tunnel
high adr uptime is
fresh obsidian
I think it's an exaggeration
frail veldt
or a bad setup tbh
Im just syaing crackshot has no relevant contribution to our apm
completely unrelated
fresh obsidian
Yeah
If that's the case, he doesn't like uhuh
Did they really change ks to no longer be st that flurries?
It just hits random targets or something?
fresh obsidian
But is it okay overall?
fresh obsidian
Do we know if ho and kir will be equal? I like to swap around
Sorry for questions. I'm putting wow down until next season
balmy topaz
Do we know if ho and kir will be equal? I like to swap around
KIR is dominant and ahead on both st and aoe by a fair margin
No all good
balmy topaz
Sorry for questions. I'm putting wow down until next season
This is what class discords are for so ask away 
balmy topaz
No problem 
fresh obsidian
I watched that interview from a while back today. Yall think Ion is implying they're making changes to outlaw because of Keep It Rolling?
I know I'm late to the party
tender wedge
can't remember what you're referring to, what does he say?
fresh obsidian
Something along the lines of it being hard to play without weak auras
tender wedge
oh right yeah
fresh obsidian
I think it could be taken as him saying they're going to make their trackers better or they're making the spec have less stuff to track.
Could also just be reading too deep into it because Ion called Outlaw out specifically
tender wedge
i think outlaw was purely an example of the wider point that too muchg relies on WAs
i don't think they're like "yes we've identified this specific thing with this one spec that we'll change because it's too hard without WAs"
fresh obsidian
Yeah you're probably right
balmy topaz
I watched that interview from a while back today. Yall think Ion is implying the...
Thereâs an interview with this?
I didnât even know
thick shale
im 664 ilvl outlaw what overall should i be pulling
fresh obsidian
Thereâs an interview with this?
The add on philosophy interview
vapid sundial
im 664 ilvl outlaw what overall should i be pulling
Loaded question
There's no easy answer
thick shale
For ex: I just did a priory 11 and did 3.63 am i on the right track?
tender wedge
seems fine
balmy topaz
For ex: I just did a priory 11 and did 3.63 am i on the right track?
Depends what other classes you had with you
tribal surge
Outlaw will still be terrible in raid in s3 right?
tender wedge
???
fresh obsidian
Isn't it really good right now?
tribal surge
In which world? Even playing fatebound his single target is really low
tender wedge
even playing the worse hero tree...
its fine now, lower half during deep farm but thats nothing odd
it was pretty good up until you HAD to play fatebound since KS made trickster unplayable or almost unplayable on last 4 bosses
tribal surge
even playing the worse hero tree...
I mean fatebound has a nice tier for ST this season
tender wedge
you mean next season?
we're still in 11.1
if you're talking about season 3 then sure, outlaw just got a 10% buff so ST is probably fine
tribal surge
I legit wrote s3 in the first question haha
tender wedge
your second comment had me thinking you meant now
but no one knows man, tuning isn't finished
sims aren't out
tribal surge
Well I was talking about ptr, my bad
tender wedge
we don't know where blizz will leave things
but ST should be fine on PTR after the buff
but yes you're right, outlaw ST damage was pretty low before the buff
compared to others*
its all relative
empty patrol
For ex: I just did a priory 11 and did 3.63 am i on the right track?
disable details,play the spec as it should be,learn the class,reinstall it once u feel comfortable enough to ignore details coz u know u are doing good.
its just a distraction
fresh obsidian
It'll sap the joy if you're not careful
empty patrol
detail posting/flexing is insecurity asking for validation
pliant wind
How can you know how are you doing without any reference?
I learnt faster and better with details and logs, checking and comparing
If you get affected by comparing and checking details you should work on yourself irl
opaque flume
its just a distraction
staring at meters in combat, yes, using details, no
torpid fiber
I think details isn't useful if you're still learning the basics of a spec
It's useful once you've reached the point where you're not making constant obvious mistakes out of discomfort
normal forge
st with fatebound and ghostlystrike buff from tier set shouldn't be bad, i would say
balmy topaz
Outlaw will still be terrible in raid in s3 right?
Thatâs quite big exaggeration
Itâs in an okay spot in ST
daring oxide
Did we get any cantrip weapons in the raid?
tender wedge
Nah itâs casters turn for special stuff
balmy topaz
Did we get any cantrip weapons in the raid?
Last boss has a vers haste wep
But we got an actual decent neck from raid that no one will need
tender wedge
Kinda funny actually between tier, special belt, special cloak, special boots, the weapon/trinket set, and two crafted slots
Casters will get only a couple of âopenâ slots left
empty patrol
staring at meters in combat, yes, using details, no
being there serves as a distraction so idk whats the yes and no here
vivid vessel
Wtf popo finally left the server
After years of hating everything that makes outlaw outlaw he finally understood he didn't like the spec !
haughty wigeon
Pvp server got him
daring oxide
But we got an actual decent neck from raid that no one will need
Whatâs that
daring oxide
Wtf popo finally left the server
lol what did he leave on his own or got booted
vivid vessel
maybe ye
idk if people are playing with it
i stopped after a bit cause its so ahead in sims it seems unfair
to use stuffs like that
frank finch
most random streams i see a fdk pumping i ask to inspect the fdk
frank finch
most the time they using it
vivid vessel
well every outlaw rogue does that on ptr
frank finch
except tomelvis
vivid vessel
and this weapon is gonna be worth infinite dps scaled up like that
so idk
no point ?
vapid sundial
Wtf popo finally left the server
Swear we had a convo the other day and it was just him hating outlaw.
vapid sundial
Bro just wants combat
vapid sundial
Like go play classic
vapid sundial
Unironically
short heath
Why would they scale a weapon to 700++ when we will not be able to do that on live servers?
vapid sundial
Go play classic.
vivid vessel
like at some point you just dont like outlaw my guy
vivid vessel
Why would they scale a weapon to 700++ when we will not be able to do that on li...
they scale all your gear
vapid sundial
he hates rng
The thing is.
He should just play enhance then
You don't feel the rng as much
It's way less noticeable
(even if soemtikes it's more % than outlaw lol)
lol
Okay so I scrolled up and read a bit.
It looks like he left bc ho isn't the play style?
Idk
vivid vessel
i dont get why people that likes combat also likes ho
when kir is closer to combat
or like normal outlaw i mean
you press ss, and you have to manage your cps
ho just overcap a billions cp and press ambush a lot
especially in stealth where you trasnfrom into sub rogue
vapid sundial
Yeah I just wenf up and read all from past 2 days
It was a LOT of whining
Saying his bfa n sl outlaw was better
(so just play kir if you like bfa outlaw)
Literally almost the same thing
He yaps bc he hates curent outlaw.
I yap bc I want Zac to notice me.
We are not the same.
vivid vessel
hi
vapid sundial
Unironically.
What it feels like is.
He wants outlaw to be braindead
No other way I can put it after what I read.
balmy topaz
Who got yeeted
balmy topaz
He was fighting for a spec that not longer exist nor the wider community want
daring yoke
Yo guys. Have been out of s2 for quite a while. Will the belt matters in s3?
vapid sundial
Yeah Idk
balmy topaz
balmy topaz
I never played that
vapid sundial
It had a lot of cp Gen like rn
Basically a spike that embedded and refreshed on kill
Would also hit 2 additional targets
Each spike out have extra cp Gen
So you'd eventually just basically have mfd perma
To put it simple
Until the pack died
balmy topaz
Thatâs pretty cool
vapid sundial
Ye so 1 charge put out 3 spikes
vivid vessel
I mean back then outlaw has the same if not mopre cp gen as now prolly tbf
vapid sundial
So you could always have it
vivid vessel
??
vapid sundial
I am hoe
For life.
Every time I tried to play kir I didn't like it was much
Idk I like ambush
balmy topaz
Good luck next tier 
vapid sundial
You think I'm subbed
vapid sundial
I'm on fellowship bench
Rn
Waiting
If I played I'd play enh anyway
Their tier is giga stupid
(whoever makes the enhance tier actually smokes Crack ngl)
vapid sundial
(whoever makes the enhance tier actually smokes Crack ngl)
Reminder that the tww s1 was 27~%
balmy topaz
Ye shamans getting all the tokens from last boss was very fun
vivid vessel
How their 4pc was 27%
you know this tier a lot of specs have tier likes these
sub is 30%
but i think its just cause its s3
so blizz doesnt care if the tiers are op
they wojnt have to worry about it coming s4
no s4
vivid vessel
ye next tier
vapid sundial
Yah but having a 27% the first tier of a new expac is crazy
It did get nerfed to like 18%
vivid vessel
ye
vapid sundial
frank finch
fair oak
frank finch
wait
vivid vessel
they are doing 3 seasons only i think
cause its like
quick expacs now
with the midnight shit
vivid vessel
current saga every year right
ye
vapid sundial
4*
vivid vessel
idk how long it will be
l0nger prollyt
but ye
they said we are rapid firing 3 expac back to back
with 3 seasons each
as far as i remember
frank finch
midnight right before xmas
tropic zephyr
they said we are rapid firing 3 expac back to back
I mean rapid firing probably means we shave off 2-3 months per xpack
vivid vessel
im pretty sure thye specified 3 tiers per xpack
vestal notch
I remember then saying they wont do another meme s4
Idk if they also discarded a serious s4 but if they want shorter expansions i guess it does
tropic zephyr
I mean I'd love for next season to be 6 months and midnight right after
But I feel like it's probably going to be 8-9 months with meme content updates that will look like S4 at the end
vague warren
wasnt s2 like 5 months, midnight maybe mid february '26
wet jasper
Hello, sorry if i write in wrong channel, i'm a new player in Wow and i have start with outlaw rogue (maybe not my best idea for learn the game) i have watch a few tuto on youtube and other website, i think i have understand some mechanics but i wanted ask if someone could be available one moment just for maybe give me some tips with skills or some "weakaura" good for outlaw, sorry if its the wrong channel and sorry for my post with i think lots of verbal mistake, english is not my first language i try to do my best ^^ ! Good day !
vestal notch
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vestal notch
You can pick one of the 4 class packs in there if u need good weakauras
lone spear
Hello, sorry if i write in wrong channel, i'm a new player in Wow and i have sta...
a good place to start is the outlaw-faq channel, it has a simplified rotation list to help get you 95% of the way there
cinder relic
If not the end of this one
0%
daring oxide
You say that but after the recent animation
which animation?
balmy topaz
Baittko
brisk meadow
EverySeasonEasyClicksko
wet jasper
a good place to start is the outlaw-faq channel, it has a simplified rotation li...
Okay thank you !
lone spear
ass rogue 10/10 fun 
fading nymph
dwarf or nelf for next season dungeons?
jolly tapir
nerf that shit
jolly tapir
@ realz rn meow
hybrid crown
Only link pulls where outlaw is losing in the meters
vivid vessel
haha
frank bane
Only link pulls where outlaw is losing in the meters
based
jolly tapir
i would not mind playing outlaw in keys next season at all
only issue will be meating that haste cap with Sub gear đ
vivid vessel
bro you will just play assa be fr
vivid vessel
lol
vivid vessel
i dont think people will play outlaw anymore than this season
its worse if anything so
desert tendon
sub or assa season as alway
jolly tapir
but you can play in keys
vivid vessel
i for sure can
jolly tapir
i sometimes do
vivid vessel
outlaw very good
vivid vessel
ye
frank finch
outlaw very good
jolly tapir
so we play KIR ?
frank finch
sudden fulcrum
jolly tapir
who you think will play it anyway
2/3 of community are ppl whcih cant play anything else than assa
quaint mauve
count to 4 ye
youâre expecting too much outve us
guys can we be positive in here
our spec is looking promising in ptr yay
fluid iron
count to 4 ye
thats 3 more than im capable of
jolly tapir
this is kinda wall
vivid vessel
gg
vivid vessel
it's oppressing the ptr meta rn
fr fr ..
quaint mauve
this is kinda wall
20% is like very easy to get
jolly tapir
bullied tank out
jolly tapir
every tier
jolly tapir
20% is like very easy to get
how much is it number wise
nova solar
Its fine theyll goomba stomp it first tuning pass like always
quaint mauve
how much is it number wise
i have a haste ring and neck and tier and thatâs it
idk what that adds up to bc iâm not at my computer
mighty pivot
how much is it number wise
~12500
jolly tapir
thats kinda lot
mighty pivot
crafted jewelry is around 4k each
+2k from s2 set
and optionally 2.6-2.8 from haste flask
it's really not that bad
mighty pivot
PC is a must
neat mist
Get both
mighty pivot
so either skip GS or 1/2 FtH
daring oxide
do i game precise cuts or ghostly strike?
you take both
jolly tapir
with flask
jolly geyser
timid zephyr
Hi all, is there a way to know how you're messing up adr rush uptime Via lack of xyz factors ?
Tested on LFR and I'm getting around 65% uptime
timid zephyr
Smh my headset
proven ocean
65% ur missing a ton of gcdâs, ur combo points management is all over the place and ur not finishing at the correct combo points
65% is way off so u need to read the faq all over again
Faq isnât too big just read the build ur currently playing
proven ocean
CopiumMaster69XD
timid zephyr
Faq isnât too big just read the build ur currently playing
is this in the Pins?
timid zephyr
nice, thanks
frank finch
if your playing ho you can also use wowanalyzer
proven ocean
get the usual ppl on it
Hes just a certified doomer
Outlaw isnât bugged
The only BF bug that exists rn is whatever hit ur dealing to a dying mob wont flurry
And thats only when ur landing the killing blow
Idk why ppl think its a legacy only thing because its not
Its literally in all of you 50k outlawâs dungeons
jolly tapir
damn kir actually feel harder than ho
and took me half key to remember that BF generate cp
blissful thunder
am i right in reading that capo/thumb is bis offhand even at heroic? can't entirely sim as im 620 rn and i cba to include other options but just wanted to make sure im not seeing smth insane
just using offhand as a statstick?
hybrid crown
The proc from capo heroic will beat even a well itemized 684 in st sims
Offhand
Your mainhand you will want crafted or myth if you get one
limpid plank
is there a reason gally thumb cant be sharpened?
mighty pivot
it's blunt
gaunt phoenix
need to use weightstone not whetstone
mighty pivot
you need weight stone
limpid plank
oh
gaunt phoenix
am i right in reading that capo/thumb is bis offhand even at heroic? can't entir...
Capo yeah
mighty pivot
fists and maces need weighstones daggers swords axes whetstones
gaunt phoenix
heroic thumb not worth it
blissful thunder
The proc from capo heroic will beat even a well itemized 684 in st sims
in aoe/m+? how does that shift
hybrid crown
You can get the nightfall cudgel for m+ and swap between capo and the cudgel, cudgel for aoe capo for st. This is just for offhand
jolly geyser
was annoying to swap,was using 2 mythic cauldron weaps
hybrid crown
With the amount of time left in the season its probably not worth the effort to figure all that extra crap out
gaunt phoenix
!weaponswap
ornate heathBOT
You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bad slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.Just get a capo offhand with your dinar, craft a 681 mh
jolly geyser
yea I got 3k+ and havent really bothered much since
hybrid crown
I only ever want myth vault and the mounts anyways
jolly geyser
im chill gaming,too washed for high keys anyway
blissful thunder
With the amount of time left in the season its probably not worth the effort to ...
roughly how much of a gain is it tho? weapon swapping i mean
quaint mauve
roughly how much of a gain is it tho? weapon swapping i mean
i mean, i wouldnât wanna ST with a 658 wep
blissful thunder
is that not the whole point
gaunt phoenix
about 2-3% either which way
quaint mauve
and cudgel is like 3-5% of dmg usually
blissful thunder
to st with a heroic offhand
frail veldt
and cudgel is like 3-5% of dmg usually
Yeah but you lose stats from it being lower ilvl
Cudgel is nice for big pulls though
blissful thunder
i actually was not aware you could swap weapons in keys lmao
frail veldt
Cuz it's essentially uncapped aoe
covert heart
i actually was not aware you could swap weapons in keys lmao
Dps warriors do that with shields during certain mechanics
blissful thunder
interesting
jolly geyser
some weapons you cant swap
blissful thunder
do you just maintain the cudgel during trash/aoe? do i need to keep meleeing diff things to get that first melee trigger?
jolly geyser
was it thumb?
blissful thunder
does it reset on stealth and such?
blissful thunder
was it thumb?
thumb def cant swap ik that
covert heart
interesting
Resets on stealth and vanish
gaunt phoenix
it resets when you vanish which is why it is so good on outlaw
and it just happens you dont do anything
blade flurry triggers it
blissful thunder
ah that makes sense, any point in target swapping for the first melee to procc again?
oh neat
gaunt phoenix
sometimes you have to jiggle around so blade flurry tags everything once
if you pull more than 8 mobs
blissful thunder
thats fair
so 681 crafted/myth weapon mainhand + capo off dinar + cudgel for offhands
neat
is there a wa or smth thats been made to remind u to stop
gaunt phoenix
wintry solar
whoa whoa whoa whoa who said I disliked all that stuff? I was just drinking and had a bad pvp night lol. I love Outlaw. Literally the only thing I dislike about it is uhuh. I'm one of the few people that plays both HO and KiR.
crazy talk
jolly geyser
neat mist
craggy quiver
blissful thunder
does dslice/route work for outlaw
gaunt phoenix
ya
mighty pivot
sorry you hate everything, popo
wintry solar
Ninja
mighty pivot
agreed
wintry solar
You wish you loved outlaw as much as me
mighty pivot
it's what keeps me up at night tbh
jolly geyser
idk the heat keeps me up
wintry solar
I had to pull a 36 hour because of it
jolly geyser
solid 5-6h of sleep each day
mighty pivot
6h sleep sounds good
wintry solar
I played after a 12 hour shift and 1 key turned to like 9 keys. So it was too late to sleep so I just stayed up and went to work for another 12.
jolly geyser
unhinged
wintry solar
Would do it again
mighty pivot
wouns
wintry solar
Da woonz champyun
mighty pivot
having to farm azeroth's cummies blood for the necklace good times
wintry solar
Expeditions go brrr
fair oak
mighty pivot
potat
civic zephyr
thats a funny looking parrot
jolly tapir
ho is defo more brain dead than kir
cooked my brain playing kir for first time in this season
jolly geyser
wintry solar
ho is defo more brain dead than kir
Ho is the perfect build to play while watching a movie
junior coral
does any one have a WA where BTE glows if you have 5 or more combo points but only if your in stealth/subter?
jolly geyser
I think blizz will slow down outlaw,but keep abilities as they are somewhat
idc either way
wintry solar
They should just not touch it
I don't trust their fingers touching anything
Might awaken an ancient bug or something
spring bay
Every time thereâs a big pull and I donât roll ruthless precision it just feels like iâm gimped
shrewd thunder
So raid plays HO? can i just run the HO mplus build since id be stat'd that way?
gaunt phoenix
So raid plays HO? can i just run the HO mplus build since id be stat'd that way?
in the raid, you use HO with ghostly strike, which does want more haste than without ghostly strike
you probably want around 18% haste or so
I had like 14% haste in keys and then would haste flask for raid
shrewd thunder
is it looking like theyll play HO again in raid next tier?
daring oxide
is it looking like theyll play HO again in raid next tier?
KIR
gaunt phoenix
is it looking like theyll play HO again in raid next tier?
No, HO is not looking great after it loses this current tier
shrewd thunder
What factors come into play when it comes to which one pulls ahead etc
ahh
and how much haste does KIR want? isnt it a little higher than HO
balmy topaz
and how much haste does KIR want? isnt it a little higher than HO
18-20%
shrewd thunder
ty
lament gyro
hey guys in pbe, are we still using same rules for rtb?
gaunt phoenix
hey guys in pbe, are we still using same rules for rtb?
No we use loaded dice talent
which basically means
roll with 0 buffs
and roll if you will lose 0-2 buffs and loaded dice is active
lament gyro
ok got it
gaunt phoenix
I need to cook the "roll after KIR" rule a bit
gaunt phoenix
but for now you can simply roll after KIR once loaded dice becomes active
blissful thunder
!weaponswap
ornate heathBOT
You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.alright ty
gaunt phoenix
alright ty
also open combat with AR RTB
dont prepull rtb
junior coral
!WA
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
jolly tapir
first boss of DW 18... great spec rogue :D:D:D
lament gyro
btw do we ever finish under 6cp outside of coup?
hardy thicket
If we're in subterfuge yeah
normal violet
first boss of DW 18... great spec rogue :D:D:D
dude I saw that and casualaddict just like "tf are we competing with brewmaster on ST for"
also like "we both about to lose to brewmaster"
crazy
vapid blaze
dw if you pull funnel surely it gets better đ
shrewd thunder
how much AR up time should i have in keys?
jolly tapir
idk there was multiple rounds of tuning and this is the current state?
gaunt phoenix
like >90% if nothing goes wrong
jolly tapir
both assa and outlaw had major buffs
shrewd thunder
i was at 60 no deaths, Am i lining up AR with vanishes? or am i sending everything on CD
gaunt phoenix
you send AR on cooldown. you only vanish during AR
shrewd thunder
ah ok
gaunt phoenix
everything matters, because our cooldowns are lowered by spending combo points
like proper RTB rules, builders, finisher rules
all contribute to lower average cooldowns on AR and Vanish to keep AR active
jolly geyser
AR spec
jolly geyser
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
hardy thicket
wait whats max ilvl for belt rn
balmy topaz
701
hardy thicket
oh
jolly geyser
ye was confused at reset aswell
hardy thicket
was afk 4 weeks vacation thought there was one more
jolly geyser
idk goes from 1 ear thru the other
wonder how the channels are come 11.2
back to OT chillin,and pin gaming
hardy thicket
im justting getting back to speed why is everyone still running the lighting rod thingy
or is raider.io just faking me out as usual
jolly geyser
its crystal or crit now
hardy thicket
well judging by the pins yes
jolly geyser
yes
jolly geyser
fathom bramble
people just might not care about keeping up on new info or collecting the different belt module
or r.io is displaying it wrong ofc
normal violet
which one is the crystal one? I just have crit on
hardy thicket
these are logs from people who usually care just going through random keys
maybe its just not that big iuno
jolly geyser
some %
vivid vessel
ye
same shit when you inspect someone also in game
you dont know what they are using
cant see
hardy thicket
unfort
hardy thicket
well then we got that sorted knew it was fishy
ok i cant even type havent touched a keyboard in a month
smartphone gamer now
hardy thicket
actually kinda accurate
jolly geyser
doing that in 1 week
hardy thicket
been bouncing back and forth between my parents house and my in laws house and they pretty much live in the woods
jolly geyser
my room was close to old woods while growing up,window there ofc. Seen all kinds of stuff late night
hardy thicket
i woke up to deers just chillin on the lawn ngl
hardy thicket
been kinda lurking the PTR stuff
thick shale
do you have to keep pressing tricks of the trade throughtout the dungeon if u have the 1 hr talent?
jolly geyser
by muscle memory yes
trail plinth
do you have to keep pressing tricks of the trade throughtout the dungeon if u ha...
If you die it drops
sudden fulcrum
do the enemies attack the corpse?
gaunt phoenix
Tank releases and mobs run to him
sudden fulcrum
awesome
gaunt phoenix
Lightyears away
jolly geyser
usain bolt mobs
craggy kelp
covert heart
My favorite part is watching them run back to the tank I am like thank god my ar is safe đ¤Ł
hardy thicket
when the tank dies at the pack after moma in your average +12 weekly and the entire floodgate runs at party
unfort
covert heart
I do feel like it should be the other way. Like you die it still stays on the tank but if he dies its gone
neat tapir
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
proven ocean
Anyone wants free xbox game pass
?
For 1 month
(Yes this is a virus) ofc it is why wouldnât it be
Chat wtf where u at cuh
Guys is outlaw good
gaunt phoenix
the whispyr.zip
proven ocean
Well i have a free code thats expiring in 2 months
That i wont use
So
Whoever wants it feel free to lmk
worldly shale
rematch is on gamepass XD
tried that sht in beta
was ass
How much is it for u?
Wondering if theres regional pricing
proven ocean
No clue thats why im giving away the code i dont give a shit about other games for now
Waiting on gta 6 and some other big games to release
dim widget
Anyone wants free xbox game pass
for free? hell na, how much you paying
willow portal
is it important what kind of weapon my offhand is? can i just use a dagger?
tender wedge
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
gaunt phoenix
dagger is fine though ideally we use the proc weapons like Capo and the nightfall event thing
willow portal
ty, gearing a new char and have some daggers in warbound chest
tender wedge
the best thing you can do for gearing a new outlaw is the nightfall event in hallowfall to get the cudgel
willow portal
the best thing you can do for gearing a new outlaw is the nightfall event in hal...
that thing with the white armor mogs?
tender wedge
yeah
there's a mace you can buy with a really great proc that outlaw can get big value from (in keys)
willow portal
so i need one mark then right
tender wedge
but in any case it's also haste/vers and can upgrade to 658 so it's a great starter weapon anyway
willow portal
only have some bought gear for now + few warbounds
tender wedge
you should go get circe's circlet too
vivid vessel
holy shmoke thats some nice gear !
willow portal
hm true
tender wedge
even capped at 658 it's equal to ~670 normal ring at worst
willow portal
Ăśhm where is this flgihtmaster taking me
willow portal
i am being kidnapped
tender wedge
fair, i was playing assass at the time i replaced it so it lasted a bit longer
tender wedge
but it's better than a 548 thats for sure
tender wedge
heroic jastor and 681 crafted beat it for me
vivid vessel
you just up a random m+ ring to 671
tender wedge
it's like an hour if you don't cheese it
willow portal
timewalking box is a hc piece right
tender wedge
my bro is 607 ilvl he's not getting into any decent m+ anytime soon lol