outlaw

[random stirrup]

game trying to make me a stalker

[keen belfry]

u never say hi

aight man

[random stirrup]

??? #outlaw message

[sudden fulcrum]

i said hi to awang once and he tried to get me to blow him

[keen belfry]

outta context

but also

the truth

cant defend myself

[frail veldt]

so whats the issue people are seeing

idgi

[keen belfry]

a net neutral aoe buff/nerf not very welcome here mewo

[frail veldt]

they didnt touch aoe

they buffed ST

[keen belfry]

yeah net neutral i just worded like a dingus

BF got nerfed

[cinder relic]

Remember when I say people just like to complain

[keen belfry]

but we got buffed so aoe basically unchanged

[frail veldt]

bf got compensatorily adjusted

[keen belfry]

mhm

same same

[cinder relic]

new word

[frail veldt]

lol

its a real word I swear

[keen belfry]

i know ptr tuning is piss pants

but man

i did like 3 keys or so

i was doing same dmg as live

[frail veldt]

we got an overall st buff

which I think we needed from what ive seen

[keen belfry]

st buff woo yes good thats objectively good

[frail veldt]

I can respect the take that being high in ST does put the spec on the radar for nerfs

[keen belfry]

do u think our aoe needs one

[frail veldt]

and while they are showing that they understand the concept of using BF to compensate for changing ST

this isnt what they have historically done when nerfing our ST

it took them months to make the compensation buff to BF after the last time they nerfed our st

[keen belfry]

I WANT TO PREFACE THIS WITH I KNOW PTR TUNING IS A MEME AND I HAVE FAITH WE WILL BE TOTALLY FINE IN S3 WHEN REAL CONTENT IS BEING DONE

but i think our ptr aoe needs buff

[cinder relic]

well our raid aoe is pretty nuts

[keen belfry]

whats the raid aoe like

like is it just 3 target

boom boom?

i have no clue what the fights look like

[cinder relic]

dh boss is just perma 3 target, other bosses are just adds spawn perma

[keen belfry]

oh yeah i mean if its stacked 3 target cleave

we should cook

and even if its randomly 2 or osmeting oh no more pc value!!

but i also wonder if im comparing dps of runs where the ptr tank would just pull big boy pulls

instead of what its like on live

[cinder relic]

well the screenshots I pinged u in are like

The aoe fights

and like I said there, if the spec is competing with the actual OP ptr specs then that's insane, especially if its getting a buff

especially when the buff just makes our ST less of a liability

[indigo token]

is it?

the bosses looked pretty spread apart

[cinder relic]

U can minimum perma 2 target

There will be a strat for movement to make it 3 target the entire fight odds are

[indigo token]

fair enough

[random stirrup]

bte mouseover macro goes hard

[devout smelt]

do we know how much better kir will be over ho in keys

[pliant wave]

They should nerf Precise Cuts by 2.5% and revert Blade Flurry back to 50%.

[indigo token]

they should revert ks

[covert heart]

Nah I don't want the old ks

They just need to speed up the new one

[pliant wave]

Precise Cuts makes us too strong in 3 target raid situations, and because of that, we don’t get buffed even when we’re underperforming in Mythic+.

[prisma heron]

Is there a way to sim to see what crafted item you should recraft first?

[junior coral]

Any one streaming outlaw ptr atm?

[still shard]

It seems like the recent tuning is focused on ST performance in raids. Adjustments specifically for M+ are probably still on the way.

[cinder relic]

Isnt the spec fine in keys rn?

[wintry solar]

I've been running keys on ptr with 1fth and it's been doing fine for me

I feel middle of the pack with my friends but tbh I'd rather it be that way

It's so dangerous being good in ptr

[wintry solar]

Do you know if the buff made the gap between ho and kir any different?

[cinder relic]

No, Kir looks to be king next szn

[devout smelt]

is playing ho gonna be troll or is it like a sub 5% diff in keys?

[cinder relic]

live or next szn

[devout smelt]

next

[cinder relic]

Kr looks like over 5% st

So in aoe itll be even bigger

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah kir is like

[finite arch]

Well time to learn kir ig

[wintry solar]

Damn...

[gaunt phoenix]

10% in big pulls

Unless we invent a new HO build

[devout smelt]

damn

[gaunt phoenix]

go !

[wintry solar]

Well there's still tuning post season launch

[devout smelt]

i prefer payphone outlaw build

[finite arch]

Wait so kir plays the same as HO you just dont press ambush?

[gaunt phoenix]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[finite arch]

Yea im fucked

[devout smelt]

yeah

im taking kick off my bars i wont have the brain power to do everything!

[craggy barn]

lol

[wintry solar]

1fth is about as close as you can get to classic outlaw

Which is cool and all but sometimes you want something different

I do anyway

That's why I like it when ho and kir are close

[devout smelt]

current outlaw has been my favorite so far

with the frequent 5 rolls

[wintry solar]

Yeah this season has been a blast

Outside ks

Ofc

[devout smelt]

i was hoping theyd somehow carry over the tier set

[craggy barn]

solo, guy, how does it look when u have the lower end of haste

[gaunt phoenix]

How does what look

[wintry solar]

I imagine bad

[craggy barn]

ho vs kir with ho level of haste

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk get haste

[craggy barn]

nah jw for new outlaw friends of mine

[wintry solar]

I'd imagine we still do the HO until X% of haste

[craggy barn]

thats what im assuming

[wintry solar]

This haste tax is stupid

It's so annoying

[craggy barn]

pay ur taxes

[wintry solar]

No!

[craggy barn]

no buff for u then

[wintry solar]

I don't play outlaw to pay taxes

Okay you win

[glass mortar]

outlaw with low haste is miserable

craft ilvl 0 rings

u dont play outlaw with no haste

[craggy barn]

where do u think we get buffs from popo

[finite arch]

Guys stupid question on kir what is my builder inside subterfuge windows besides bf and AR

SS?

[craggy barn]

sinister strie

[glass mortar]

ss ps and BF in aoe

[wintry solar]

Blizz when they have a good day

[finite arch]

Ok ill try some kir in keys latee

See how it goes

[craggy barn]

nah its where all our taxes go to

[finite arch]

So according to the guide i am always kir 4 buffs and up only?

[gaunt phoenix]

You SS and PS based on broadside/unseen blade/cps

Yes but you can kir 3 buffs if it is exactly broadside true bearing ruthless

[finite arch]

Ahhhhh

[gaunt phoenix]

The trifecto

Infinite dmg

[wintry solar]

Some might say

Big pp

PP

[devout smelt]

is the trickster kir optimization with ub to build to coup before vanish if at 3 stacks?

[gaunt phoenix]

You will hold vanish for coup every time

[devout smelt]

so only vanish right after coup?

[craggy barn]

unless ar fall off tho ye

[gaunt phoenix]

Unless you will lose AR of course

Within ~10 seconds of coup

Cause flawless form is 12s

[craggy barn]

do we have to wait for season start for new ks icon as a badge

[gaunt phoenix]

Maybe

[craggy barn]

i want my

[devout smelt]

flawless form is more finisher dmg right

[gaunt phoenix]

Yer

[devout smelt]

does it pause in vanish?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[devout smelt]

so ideally have it for whole vanish window

[gaunt phoenix]

You cant exactly control it like that

[finite arch]

Goodbye my HO buddies we have been rotated out

[devout smelt]

oh yeah it doesnt refresh

[finite arch]

Time to change the badge

[gaunt phoenix]

There is just some amount of time where having high flawless form makes vanish worth it

Even if it ticks down a bit inside vanish

[devout smelt]

ok gotcha

thanks

[craggy barn]

just play every viable build iteration every season so u dont get blindsided

so if u get tired after 300 pulls u can swap to HO from kir when brain is dead

[wintry solar]

What if you just couped in vanish? Is it really that big a loss?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah cause you can afford to delay vanish

[wintry solar]

Yeah but

Holding vanish is so lame

[gaunt phoenix]

Is it

Vanish charges is like the best thing that happened to crackshot outlaw

[wintry solar]

Every second not in subt is a second wasted

[inner meadow]

Are u making a sim on patch notes or someone else doing it?

[gaunt phoenix]

I didnt think it was necessary really

[craggy barn]

solo how big of a difference is it yo send ar right away for cp vs hold for ar uptime

[inner meadow]

Pin*

[gaunt phoenix]

You gain 10% single target and lose 0 aoe

[inner meadow]

Sorry not sim

[gaunt phoenix]

That's kind of it

[inner meadow]

Oh

Zac was going on about we lose a lot of aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

He thinks compared to live 11.1 outlaw, we lose aoe going into 11.2

I don't know a lot of data that actually supports this

[inner meadow]

^^

I assume u already seen it lmao

[glass mortar]

how hard we scale with aoe got decreased

im not sure how relevant that is

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm not convinced that thinking about cross-season tuning is a thing to worry about

[glass mortar]

thats just how u tune outlaw in aoe

there isnt really other ways to do it

[inner meadow]

Ye fair enough

But ig we can assume there is min 2 more tuning patches before it comes to live right?

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't know, I kind of suspect that is it for rogues

[inner meadow]

Soft cap blade flurry 🙏🏼

[gaunt phoenix]

I would have liked to see cancelling KS addressed

[inner meadow]

Gonna be praying for the rest of my life

[blazing bloom]

Friends, I see the allure of outlaw.. I have played sub and sin to 3000 score and just tried outlaw for the first time and I can feel my brain melting when I play it, but god damn is it fun

[craggy barn]

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw becomes very intuitive muscle memory at some point

[craggy barn]

huge flow state spec

[snow hill]

Hoping it's enough to at least be above mid by the time my guild progresses from H to M Raid

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw looks fine

was already fine aoe, needed a ST buff, and now it got it

[snow hill]

I hope it stays fine too. It's so fun compared to everything else.

[round spindle]

KiR will again be king? How exciting.

[snow hill]

KIR is life

[round spindle]

Been aching for KiR since DF

[snow hill]

Nothing spikes that dopamine more than x6 BTW procs Shivers violently

BTE**

[round spindle]

Im getting sweaty already.

[snow hill]

right?

[gaunt phoenix]

kir on 6 buffs and then being able to kir them again before they expire is up there

[tender wedge]

That’s peak outlaw moment

[white marten]

Gonna miss HO, although im sure it’ll probably get a buff by release

Nothing feels better than getting a 5-buff roll 3x in a row

[dapper herald]

the hell was this

did they actually change it like that and reverted?

or is it just some wowhead bug

[wintry solar]

I hope so. I love having a bunch of builds

Only playing 1fth in keys sounds so boring to me

[keen belfry]

play 2th

maybe 3th

[craggy barn]

1fth is interesting since it shows the potential for the flexibility of 2pt talents.

dont think it works for most cases tho

[white marten]

Blizz should just make fth a 1pt spec 😌

[tender wedge]

I think they’d consider that a reduction in decision making in the tree

[craggy barn]

if 1fth was always the play then id say ye

1fth only good in keys and anywhere pc is good

mop trees shouldve gotten this much attention

[lone spear]

its just a general philosophy change, they balance the game way more often now

since like df launch

[craggy barn]

ye

it sucks we never got to see the full potential of the mop trees, but its good theres some attention to the trees at least now

[lone spear]

yea, my hope is with their willingness to do more changes in classic as they go further

that we get legion classic, and they balance those talents more

legion classic with talent choice, legendary choice, and non-inhibitive artifact grind

would be peak

i just dont think theyre gonna jump the hurdle of being ridiculed by doing WoD classic, tho i swear if they announced WoD & Legion classic at the same time and did them back to back with little downtime, people would go crazy

[proven ocean]

YOU UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN U INVENT NEW WORDS

And then say ZEROSS THIS WORD WAS BEING USED BEFORE U WERE BORN

brotherman u never even used it before

Also good morning chat

I had like

3.5 hrs of sleep was good

Time to game again

[frail veldt]

oh yeah yap

also compensatorily is for sure a word

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/compensatorily

[proven ocean]

Like we dont know that

[frail veldt]

I mean you know what compensate means

[proven ocean]

You just looked at the dictionary and wondered whats a word that’ll absoluteletily confuse everyone

[frail veldt]

it was the correct word for the situation lol its not confusing

[proven ocean]

Absoluteletily is a wordn’t btw

[frail veldt]

they adjusted the BF damage in a way that compensates for the ST buff

aka

it was a compensatory change

aka

they did it compensatorily

[proven ocean]

aka

Love u mewo

No cappi

[frail veldt]

hahahhaa

[proven ocean]

The yap is legendary

[frail veldt]

aint no one ever did it like me

[keen belfry]

is mewo too advanced

for zeross?

[frail veldt]

nah its his second language I think im at an unfair advantage

I wonder if zeross is as rap god on voice as he is on text

[flat notch]

Can someone explain why am I dying from my own killing spree debuff? I don't see any debuffs info about it in the game

[paper lily]

Did u read Killing spree ?

[grim spear]

take a look at Killing Spree's tooltip.

[flat notch]

Do u mean this one?

[paper lily]

yes

[flat notch]

I thiught it affects the enemy

But ok. Then another question. Sometimes after the killing spree I do NOT receive this debuff. Why so?

[paper lily]

cuz U did not take dmg

[flat notch]

Wait. I get it now. It's not the damage from my ks it's the dmg i receive from enemy skills

[paper lily]

I am sorry not to offend but do u understand what u read ?

[flat notch]

Now I think I do, I apologize

But thanks for help!

[grim spear]

this phrasing is indeed a bit ambiguous

100% of damage YOU taken during effect ... better

[flat notch]

Yeah, and I still trying to understand what dmg exactly I will receive. From the void zone in which I stood before I use KS? Or from the void zone which appeared under me AFTER the KS

And while I'm in KS, will I receive the dmg if one of my jumps touches some one shots or beams from the boss

[keen belfry]

if you get hit by anything during ks you take its dmg as a dot

[sudden fulcrum]

if you die during ks you die irl

[flat notch]

this is clear, thank you. What about the void zone which appeared under my "position zero" while I'm jumping? Will I receive that dmg as well?

after KS is finished

I'm just trying to understand how the game determines my character's position during KS. Does the hitbox stay where I started, or does it move with each jump?

[gaunt phoenix]

you jump around

[flat notch]

Yes, now I get it. Thank you so much guys!

[finite arch]

thats true

I pressed KS got hit by something random and ifucking fell out of my chair

[finite arch]

I dont think there is a position zero

[upper surge]

So

Is outlaw celebrating today

[finite arch]

At least it doesnt count

[upper surge]

I heard y'all got buffs

[finite arch]

it counts from what dmg you took when youre jumping around

So you can essentially dodge mechanics if you have good timing ig

generally just spamm cloak HAHAAH

[keen belfry]

solo

[upper surge]

group

[keen belfry]

i was so confused trying to do math today

where were you?

[upper surge]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-kris-kross-make-ya-chris-cross-90s-music-gif-24412471

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk I saw immediate discourse after literal buffs and peaced out

[finite arch]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[upper surge]

wait

so both outlaw and fury

got mad

after getting buffed?

[finite arch]

wdym mad after buff?

[keen belfry]

we are based here Rtan

dont forget

[upper surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/253446173774315520/1060610510803980288/skateboardge.gif

[finite arch]

Can someone Simplify the 'container buff' thing for Kir?

[normal violet]

Any professional HO m+ that offer coaching for monies? (I hope this is ok to ask here)

[finite arch]

true

[keen belfry]

weird rtb mechanic that lets you roll your buffs and you will not lose certain buffs above the container timer

[finite arch]

so you if you have CTO 6 buffs and you KIR you should only reroll at 41secs?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you rolled at 60 seconds, you might just roll a 5 buff that you already have which will override your 60s buffs into 39s

so you try to roll when your buffs are closer to 39s

[finite arch]

So KIR pushes your kir'd buffs into the next container which means you can reroll immediately after?

so its like batching thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

it pushes their duration ahead of the container buff

the container buff is at most 39s

kir shoves them to 60s

so they are ahead of the container and dont get rolled

[finite arch]

ohhhh i see

wow wtf ok

Fuck it imma just level a paladin and press divine storm

[keen belfry]

BEGONE RET PALADIN

[finite arch]

Thank you though

I get it now

but jesus so much micro managing

Need to start learning KIR for s3

[keen belfry]

its not as much work as you think

[hollow cypress]

keep it rerolling

[gaunt phoenix]

the weakaura does the container shit for you

[keen belfry]

i wouldnt worry about what the container buff is, just how to utilize it

[finite arch]

I have that RTB WA that always repeats 'bad' roll

[finite arch]

is that the yellow, red and blue thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

please delete it

plaguing outlaw players for years

Yes

[finite arch]

I mainly use it to remind myself to reroll cause i play HO

Thats the only WA I have

been using the blizzard cd manager

to track my rolls

I only picked up outlaw mid season so i am p fresh

Sometimes i still forget to reroll HAHAH

fuck if blizzard limits addons a lot I wonder if the rtb one will get affected'

[gaunt phoenix]

the container shit will be affected since it has to parse combatlog

[hollow cypress]

do outlaw rogues now work as construction workers or wtf is a container

[normal violet]

Keep it rolling things so you can reroll without losing current buffs

It's a concept

[finite arch]

well outlaw players are piano players

Im out here fucking playing mozart and bethoven in keys

[glass mortar]

container theory is why u can press RtB and not replace buffs sometimes

[hollow cypress]

yes if piano had like 5 buttons

[glass mortar]

kir/cto etc

its all explained in the advanced faq

[finite arch]

hater

[torpid fiber]

outlaw is like sight reading a rhythm game; you only have so many inputs but you gotta be able to adapt to what's coming up

[weary cargo]

10% dmg buff

-5% BF dmg
-3% mystic touch …

We will still lose dps almost 😒

[finite arch]

Can i play with one eye blind and with near blind in the other?

[torpid fiber]

maybe

[frail veldt]

Outlaw has not many core rotation buttons but has a decent amount of additional short cd buttons

[wintry solar]

well

just deleted my builds in anticipation for next season

it feels like going to a chicken place, maybe Popeyes and you find out theyre out of biscuits.

its still good but its missing something yknow

[chilly atlas]

i mean it's probably better if popeyes is out of biscuits, you might break your teeth

[wintry solar]

break teeth? no

dry you from your soul?

yes

[chilly atlas]

need like 3 drinks

[wintry solar]

its so worth

something about dry biscuits and fried chicken is such a good combo

[finite arch]

Anyone experience this bug where weapon swap macro stopped working in a key?

'Cant do this rn'

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[tender wedge]

Are you using the gally mace?

[red zinc]

Are you trying to swap in gallywix iron thumb

[finite arch]

yes

[tender wedge]

You can’t do that right now

Or ever

In a key

[finite arch]

dafak

[red zinc]

some weapons are blacklisted from swap in keys

Thumb is the only one this season afaik

They do it so people dont swap for bosses but always forget a few so it happens anyway

[tender wedge]

I assumed it was so you couldn’t get the special effect going then swap off

[finite arch]

Locked to mace till end of season ig

[red zinc]

I mean ye

But they forget special weapon effects sometimes anyway

[tender wedge]

[finite arch]

cudgel gang

no fist

FUck

[red zinc]

You swap cudgel with another weapon on bosses if you wanna minmax

[finite arch]

my MH is a 681

gally mace is 671

hmmmmm

[red zinc]

Do you have a capo

[tender wedge]

Having 20 less ilvl on your offhand during boss fights in keys isn’t the end of the world

Just go 681 MH (it’s better than 671 gally) and cudgel off hand and don’t think too hard about it

[finite arch]

ssadly nop

[finite arch]

true

[finite arch]

been trying for awhile

i shouldnt have burned my cartel chips on garbo

Jastor diamond, kezan eye and hoc

[tender wedge]

I think kezan is the only garbage there (if not 684)

[finite arch]

Hero track

I got jebaited

[tender wedge]

Jastor and hoc are both gonna be strong into next season

[finite arch]

Im running pacemaker + hoc rn

[tender wedge]

For other specs

[finite arch]

Weird question

is blastmaster a good trinket for m+?

[tender wedge]

Is that the delve barrel?

[strong halo]

still no updates in PTR?

[finite arch]

yea

[agile orchid]

Check wowhead

[strong halo]

I did didn’t see anything today

[finite arch]

Im still trying for wax whistle

fully locked to raid rn so no change of any raid trinkets

No one runs that shit in archon

[tender wedge]

No it’s pretty bad

The turbozapper is very good for single target

From delves

[finite arch]

dam

[tender wedge]

more like no dam 😎

[finite arch]

LOL

shit looks like it would absolutely fucking pump

[thorn river]

Ptr buffs prettt bandaid i guess

[agile orchid]

So is there a conclusion for how big of an aoe nerf yesterday’s update was?

[cinder relic]

It was a buff

You do more aoe damage post patch

[round spindle]

Where will Outlaw be after 10% single target? Respectable? I don't expect that is a competitive for top spot type buff.

[tender wedge]

🔮

[thorn river]

Hope its enough to warrant progress as outlaw instead of sub

[grim spear]

next tier I don't care about any of that

just going outlaw for prog

[ocean wraith]

ask again

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-nothing-magic-conch-magic-conch-nothing-gif-7727151451659903382

as long a spec isnt in the dirt, you can play anything unless your guild is going for like, top 20 world

it is borderline impossible for us to be best spec in raid this patch tho, just cause of how the hard fights are designed

[jolly geyser]

What class is "best" on ptr anyway?

[lone spear]

i mean it was fdk

and then they copped huge nerf

MM was also good, nerfed

its still not conclusive

but for raid, anything that has really good burst should do great

[shell basalt]

Fdk is still fine

They was massively overtuned

[cedar oxide]

I think unholy is above it now tho

[jolly geyser]

Cat

[lone spear]

not my cat hearing the meows through my headset and jumping on the desk

[obsidian walrus]

I’m playing rogue all 3 specs and maybe DH as a alt

[civic zephyr]

im kinda dreading next season with new ks, like im really enjoying outlaw and learning it, but the new ks seems so.. shit, to be nice, the idea is cool, but i think it needs to be lower channel, and lower cd, even if it does less damage, and honestly, give us soft cap rather than hard cap, just so i dont feel useless compared to literally anything else in the game that has a soft cap, im fine with vanish/crackshot windows, but just dreading the new KS and the fact we are still hard locked to 8 targets with a talent :/

[obsidian walrus]

I took a break from mythic raiding in season 2 because guild died on Queen prog so I was thinking going back to mythic raiding

[shell fossil]

tbh fit lol, the vet track tier pants are great this season and there's the ashvane coat in tw next next week i think :b

[reef ruin]

same but feral as alt

[lone spear]

the damage cap is such a non-factor for high keys

like it matters if you're playing in a group that is pulling with uncapped in mind, like playing with moonkin/unholy

but then ur not playing the right comp anyway yaknow

and then ofc the cap doesnt matter for keys below like 16

cause u aint doing those co-ordinated pulls

or u are and ur punching below ur key weight so to speak

[wintry solar]

I keep pausing adr out of stealth/subt, anyone know how im doing this? I just did it in a key

I thought it was just in the open world

[lone spear]

gib hax

[shell fossil]

outlaw damage profile really likes 2-7 targets, i was having mald issues on cinder cause it was always 10 targets and 8 of them die at the same time

yeur numbers are fine tm but yeah sucks

[lone spear]

i mean its fine to have niches

there are times in dungeons where moonkins are and unholy are screeching cause people chain pull

[civic zephyr]

yeah my main issue is killing spree going into the next season

[lone spear]

its divisive for sure

[quiet root]

i think outlaw is one of the best pug specs, you can do dmg regardless of how the dungeon is pulled

[lone spear]

yur

[wintry solar]

I cast house of card right after breaking stealth

thats as best as I can do lol

[shell fossil]

open with gear grinders

[civic zephyr]

like im still really new to the spec, but loving it more as i keep learning it, but the whole killing spree thing is throwing me off atm

[shell fossil]

im gonna miss it tbh

[lone spear]

if the new killing spree is boring for u

then theres a minigame of cancelling right as u get 7cp

[finite arch]

I generally open with Drest'agath

[lone spear]

its a smol damage gain and its kinda fun to time it

[civic zephyr]

its not the fact its boring, it just seems bad design for the play of the spec itself, like why is a now like "big" cd a dps increase to cancel?

and even then we will have to cancel to use utility in ccs

[lone spear]

its partly because some of the power budget is tied to the CP it generates

i mean if the ability did like 10% more damage it wouldnt be

[quiet root]

yeah it's maybe bad design to have canceling be the correct choice, but i think it actually makes it more fun

adds minmaxing

[shell fossil]

it would be better if they had some benefit to it finishing the cast

[lone spear]

yea this is something as well, but its better than it is now, and tbf its cast much less than now too

[shell fossil]

more ub procs etc

[novel socket]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lone spear]

i agree tho they should let us use utility inside it

[civic zephyr]

but if they made it a shorter channel, it to me would make it more fluid with the playstyle and less of a detriment to actually use the ability rather than have to figure out how to make it viable

[lone spear]

like blind and stuff

[finite arch]

Fatebound coin should be what RTB is

[shell fossil]

they're probably having the same discussion

[lone spear]

like how warriors can stormbolt during bladestorm as slayer

[civic zephyr]

like i get its better than we are now with ks, but the idea of settling for "well its better than what we have" over "this is a big ability change thats actually making the spec better overall"

[lone spear]

i agree, but at the same time i think this is the direction they want to go with the ability

[wintry solar]

frankly all it needs is a 10% buff and prio dmg and its borderline perfect

[civic zephyr]

obviously we still have time for more changes, but i dislike a big change coming doing to "well its better than it was"

like yeah

[wintry solar]

which is crazy tbh

[quiet root]

well since outlaw was fun with old ks, it should be more fun with new ks, so i'm not worried about it

[civic zephyr]

if they made it prio damage, and flurry off to target cap

[wintry solar]

only thing im really worried about is the ub

[lone spear]

pretty much yea, and i think there are other problems i rather have solved for outlaw

[civic zephyr]

and a shorter channel ssince its a melee class and can get interrupted by anything atp

[lone spear]

than devoting more time to make KS like the perfectest button

[shell fossil]

im kinda thinking they're worried about cto procs

[lone spear]

how bout some love for our talent trees

[civic zephyr]

i think overall atleast those changes would make it alot better

[lone spear]

idk, theres skill involved in playing around KS

if they made it totally frictionless, it would lose that

[civic zephyr]

give it prio and a shorter channel, and it'd already be in a much better place than it is

[lone spear]

i can agree the channel is a bit long

but where is the sweet spot

if u make it shorter then like fuck too short and increase it

there will be riots

[quiet root]

well that is quite the indicator of what people find fun isn't it

[shell fossil]

i think this season is the first that doesn't play with rtb procs since i started playing in df

they're definitely cooking something

[wintry solar]

im gonna find whats making my adr pause out of stealth in keys and im gonna take it to my grave (share it with a few people)

[lone spear]

is it an indefinite pause?

[wintry solar]

yeah

[lone spear]

hoooly can untalent uhuh

[wintry solar]

you know that bug in the open world?

its the exact same

[wintry solar]

imagine

[lone spear]

i dont do much open world stuff

but i think i recall something like that

[wintry solar]

it gets brought up from time to time

but it never happened in instanced content

[lone spear]

UNTIL NOWWWW

[wintry solar]

gonna put on my detective cap

gonna open my talent page and look UHUH dead in the eye and say "your days are numbered"

soon

[normal forge]

old news, but i just saw now

[frank finch]

shindig in double law key atm for anyone curious

on ptr

[normal forge]

do we have some draft trinket list for outlaw on s3?

[hot olive]

why mm still pumping?

[vivid vessel]

halls trinket / st danmage proc purple trinket that looks like an haxe head/ prism / seaform crit thing ..

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

[normal forge]

i just got the first trinket, can you explain the rest of the msg, please?

[weary cargo]

@vivid vessel will be 10% enough ? 🤣

[vivid vessel]

ye for st for sure

prolly

[weary cargo]

Saw you VOD last night eco dome, u were pumping 🫡

[halcyon garden]

Do you will play it in raid ? Xdeee

[hot olive]

BF nerf is like 10% aoe nerf right?

[torpid fiber]

no

it's like a 0.5% nerf to non-prio damage (less with precise cuts) and a 10% buff to prio damage overall

[cinder relic]

The change is literally a buff

[torpid fiber]

(or well, bf nerf independently is <10% aoe yes, but we got a 10% buff)

[cinder relic]

It is a buff in all content

Its a st buff, its an aoe buff

There is no nerf

[civic zephyr]

now all they need to do is make KS prio damage again, and might be okay

[novel socket]

isn't aoe a nerf ?

there was a discussion about it yesterday

[cinder relic]

It is a buff

[torpid fiber]

it's a buff but it very very very slightly changes damage profile i think but I haven't done the maths with precise cuts or similar

[novel socket]

okie

[nova basin]

its 300>308% im almost certain

[novel socket]

good then

only buffs

[torpid fiber]

the buff to your primary target damage outweights the almost non-existent nerf to your non-primary target damage

[cinder relic]

its like a 0.2% buff or nerf in either direction, it's a non change

[balmy topaz]

Overall it's an AOE nerf compared to live is what they are saying

[cinder relic]

Its a change soley to compensate for the large ST buff

[nova basin]

2.867% was it?

2.67%**

[torpid fiber]

it doesn't matter tbh

treat it as 10% primary target buff and 0 change to non-primary target imo

that's the best way to think about it

[red zinc]

What are these numbers

[torpid fiber]

they did a calc on 5t sustained

but that's not really the useful way to think about it

[cinder relic]

.

[nova basin]

the fact that outlaw damage fluctuates like 20% or so you probably wont even notice it.

[cinder relic]

Its an aoe change not meant to impact the damage of the spec

THe entire point of this balance pass was to buff ST

AoE is mostly identical

Its also a prio buff which ppl like a lot

[hot olive]

changed the profile for good

[flat needle]

Are we back on the menu?????

[nova basin]

has anyone done the math with how this changes fatebound?

[cinder relic]

Never left realistically speaking

[civic zephyr]

on aoe, the buff is 1.2% with the changes compared to damage now and current bladeflurry roughtly

[cinder relic]

The spec is quite good

Its just not OP like DK, BM, etc

They are getting nerfed patch over patch

[civic zephyr]

its an allround straight buff, which is nice, but i still think KS needs to be adressed, and atleast made to do prio damage

[nova basin]

can we all just log into PTR and play so epicly bad to fudge blizz numbers so they buff us more.. ty.

[obsidian walrus]

Do we still use the weird off hand wep even in the new season ?

[nova basin]

doubt it will keep up with the %, but to start im sure yes.

[civic zephyr]

depends if it stays a dps increase with something to replace it with overall, even in aoe situations

[vivid vessel]

it wont

[civic zephyr]

morning zac

LMAO

[balmy topaz]

Keys looked okay for you last night

[vivid vessel]

no idea

[obsidian walrus]

It scales I think

[vivid vessel]

i did one key

lol

[obsidian walrus]

In dungs that is why

[vivid vessel]

against turbo random

i need to join a grp today

and we will see

[finite arch]

YOOOO

KIR is so fucking good and fun

holy shit

Im officially converted

[cinder relic]

reminder this is how the spec performed on the aoe raid boss

OFc, aoe raid boss

ST bad

[nova basin]

just keep in combat forever

[cinder relic]

Ofc precice cuts good in raid

But, spec wasn't exactly dumpster trash

I think rogue is really well positioned after all the buffs its been getting

[vivid vessel]

i think people think about m+

when aoe talk

not raid

and thats alwasy quite different

[prisma vessel]

raid less times for aoe so yea

[nova basin]

what is raiding?

[prisma vessel]

point made xD

[lone spear]

also all raid AoE is deemed as "pad"

[prisma vessel]

also yeah, KIR super fun.

[lone spear]

which is dumb, someones gotta kill the adds

[cinder relic]

I can't imagine the spec is one of the best raid cleave specs and then is just literally turbo shit ass in dungeons

[vivid vessel]

I mean i can tell you the aoe in keys didnt look like that at all lol

i thinkl you can imagine it fairly easely tho

[nova basin]

i get flamed for padding in cinderbrew by pugs all the time... YES MAN ITS MY NATURAL CLEAVE

[vivid vessel]

this is exactly what happens every tier ?

outlaw aoe in raid is alwasy like

+++

[thick shale]

Question for you guys- I was looking at sims and noticed blade furry was only pressed 3 times in 5 minutes why is this?

[cinder relic]

I mean what specs are u doing dungeon tests with

[vivid vessel]

whenever you have paddy bosses

the same as raid

trickster

oh you mean against what specs

[lone spear]

it stays up due to underhanded upperhand

[vivid vessel]

no i meant in raid i turbo gapped epople on these aoe bosses

[nova basin]

UHUHUHUHU

[vivid vessel]

that isnt a thing at all in m+

[prisma vessel]

trickster HO or KIR? been meaning to ask.

[vivid vessel]

ho is shit

[thick shale]

Wait… so this whole time I was pressing blade flurry when it came up is that a huge mistake?

[cinder relic]

Im asking in dungeons u tested, what specs were people playing

[vivid vessel]

a lot of specs

[lone spear]

without deft maneuvers in aoe, yes

[prisma vessel]

yeah i came to the same conclusion xD

[vivid vessel]

mage dk hunter mostly

[cinder relic]

So DK is like, the best spec on PTR by far rn, next to hunter, next to mage

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder relic]

Which u know, have been getting chain nerfed every patch

[vivid vessel]

but you won against them in raid is my point

[nova basin]

i would argue if you are doing 1-10 keys HO is likely better, anything above its probably better fir KiR - just because health pools in lower keys things dont really stay alive to maintain properly

[cinder relic]

Uh no

[vivid vessel]

aoe raid =/ aoe m+

[cinder relic]

FDK/BM/Mage was better than outlaw on every aoe fight

[novel socket]

the real question is

[lone spear]

m+ balance isnt really a zero-sum game either, like you arent really competing with them if you arent playing the same comps. i guess the thing is pugging is easier if people are playing phys comp

[novel socket]

how much can rogue cheese the s3 raid ?

[vivid vessel]

ye its litteraly doing the same damage tho guy

[novel socket]

[vivid vessel]

its not the case in keys

[cinder relic]

Yeah I'm aware of that fact

[vivid vessel]

ye well

thats just my point

[cinder relic]

I'm saying if these specs are getting nerfed

[vivid vessel]

aoe raid isnt aoe m+

[cinder relic]

OUtlaw is getting buffed

[vivid vessel]

yes

[cinder relic]

both directly and indirectly by these changes

CT also just got nerfed for sin

[vivid vessel]

but my whole point here is that you cant look at aoe in raid and think its the same story in m+ lol

thats just cause outlaw play aoe talents in raid and doesnt care

[cinder relic]

Sure

[vivid vessel]

if you compare to like sin for example

you play entirely diferent talents

you would never play m+ talents in raid

you take spatter

thats it

its prolly the same shit for a lot of specs

which is why there is a big disparity

[cinder relic]

Sure, But I think with these repeated balance changes, its helping outlaw a lot

Considering its getting both buffed, and its competition is getting nerfed

[thick shale]

Oh wow… how much damage do you think I was losing by pressing it every time lol…. ALOT???

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye for sure i didnt say the opposite

[lone spear]

considering it would be every 10 seconds or so, ye

[cinder relic]

ya we seem to be agreeing too much recently

[obsidian walrus]

I just hope outlaw is good for prog

[lone spear]

it will be unless you're going for rank

[vivid vessel]

i disagree with that

[thick shale]

Do you ever use slice and dice?

[cinder relic]

This tier has a lot of damage amps

Sub is going to be very good

Sub also is the best ST spec of the 3 rn

[lone spear]

no, it will get applied by crackshot dispatches in the opener

[finite arch]

It gets auto casted by dispatch

[lone spear]

and extended after that

[nova basin]

out of combat maybe with 1 sc xD

[cinder relic]

Sub is very well positioned for early prog, once again, huge shocker to everybody

[lone spear]

dont confuse the poor man xdd

[obsidian walrus]

F

[finite arch]

Not assa?

[thick shale]

Thanks guys still new to rogue lmaoo

[cinder relic]

Sub is better for sure

[lone spear]

sub bursts harder

[cinder relic]

Sin is played by copers

[thick shale]

Still shocked about blade flurry smh

[cinder relic]

Well ofc more balance can happen

But as of right now, today, sub is better next tier

[finite arch]

Secret tech pog

[novel socket]

why's that

isn't sin boss dmg huge ?

[vivid vessel]

because sub is always better

if you play sin you are stupid

historically

[cinder relic]

Sin is literally dogshit rn on ptr

[novel socket]

hmm

[cinder relic]

thats why its getting a 4% buff

But sub is also getting another buff

Subs damage being concentrated into CDs is just way better too

[novel socket]

yeah but sin can always get a 30% aura buff a day before live patch you know

[vivid vessel]

no it cant

sub is always the meta choice

sin get buffed after progged

thats the rule

[finite arch]

Can we pin this?

[vivid vessel]

no but you can pin this

[novel socket]

oh well

[cinder relic]

For some reason the sub channel have been mind controlled into thinking sub isnt the go to prog spec every tier

[finite arch]

[novel socket]

less things to farm

[cinder relic]

But I mean yeah

[novel socket]

i'm going sub for s3

[cinder relic]

Sub is fun, sub looks strong

[finite arch]

Cold blood secret tech macro

Sleeper rotation

[cinder relic]

When all your damage is in cds, and multiple bosses have "take additional damage" phases, its gonna be a real easy sub tier to just play

[finite arch]

Dammm

[novel socket]

but doesn't sin do the same too just in the long term

with deathmark and kb

[finite arch]

Thats a crazy burst trink

[novel socket]

sub does big dmg in burst

sin does even bigger dmg but its from dots

[vivid vessel]

burst better

[novel socket]

so its overall dmg

[finite arch]

Its timing dependent ig

[vivid vessel]

damage amp

bim bam boom

go up

damage

[cinder relic]

Okay

[finite arch]

If you gotta reapply your dots and miss the window or delay it its sadge

[cinder relic]

Lets use our thinking caps for a second

[vivid vessel]

ok thinking

[novel socket]

do we have to ?

[cinder relic]

Lets say both specs do 5m st overall to use a nice simple number

[novel socket]

yapping caps are funnier

[cinder relic]

They both deal 5m flat st over an entire encounter

[vivid vessel]

guys he is about to explain why outlaw is dogshit

[nova basin]

im thinking... fajitas for dinner.

[vivid vessel]

listen

[finite arch]

[vivid vessel]

be attentive chat

[cinder relic]

Lets say a boss has a phase that says "at 80%, take 200% increased damage for 15 seconds"

If both sub and sin deal 5m DPS

which gains more DPS from this damage amp phase

[novel socket]

sub does

[nova basin]

outlaw

[finite arch]

Ret paladin

[vivid vessel]

not outlaw !

[cinder relic]

And this is why sub is better

[limpid onyx]

Mm hunter

[cinder relic]

Sub has more burst than MM outside of lust

[vivid vessel]

okkkkk guy i get it !

[novel socket]

but if the raid doesn't have dmg amp phases

[shell fossil]

sammon

[finite arch]

Ok but does it have more burst than a ret

[novel socket]

then would't sin be better ?

[cinder relic]

Yes, like 10x more

[cinder relic]

No sub is still better

[nova basin]

bring back patchwork.

[cinder relic]

Unless its like a mugzee fight

[novel socket]

[finite arch]

[cinder relic]

where the entire fight is afk, but you need execute

[limpid onyx]

Depends on cd timings and uptime

[cinder relic]

^

[finite arch]

But i want to know when does outlaw overtake sub and sin

[cinder relic]

DSM is also very bad this upcoming tier

[cinder relic]

More so than most tiers, DSM seems very annoying to micro manage

[novel socket]

in long fights without forced uptime pauses

because outlaw has no burst

[vivid vessel]

[novel socket]

he gets ahead from overall dmg

[cinder relic]

Outlaw will excell in the cleave fights this tier, which there are multiple

[finite arch]

But if you dont do mechs you always have uptime no?

[cinder relic]

However many of the hardest fights have damage amps sub sub will likely just be the go to prog spec for most ppl

[finite arch]

I almost never do vexie mechs

I just sit on her

Parseing

[cinder relic]

Well, sin will likely be the most popular spec but sub will be better if u aren't a noob

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[novel socket]

outlaw is top dps in vexie and styx

[vivid vessel]

wtf

he just called me a noob

[novel socket]

because unlimited cleave

but in mug or gally when you can't always hit the boss

[cinder relic]

Outlaw will have good fights next tier the same way it has good fights this tier

[finite arch]

Mechs are for the lesser humans based gods like outlaw sit on the boss

[novel socket]

because your monkey tanks decide to take the bosses for a walk in the park to pee or something

you lose tons of dps

[cinder relic]

The issue outlaw will always have is mentality of the high level players more so than anything else

[novel socket]

while the other specs don't really care since they wait for their cds to come back

[cinder relic]

But this tier is a damage amp tier so

The weakness does matter more than usual this tier

[finite arch]

Will kezan be bis moving into s3 raiding?

[grim spear]

If sub played like arcane I’d be into it

[cinder relic]

Nope

[finite arch]

Fuck

I did a 13 ML and my kezan did 2mil overall

Waste of a trinket

[novel socket]

what do you mean with this

[grim spear]

no burst thing

blahblahblah

[cinder relic]

High level players dont want to play outlaw because

[lone spear]

^ real

[vivid vessel]

real reason is ylu dont have outlaw weapons tho

[bright lodge]

Wouldn’t sub be better even in cleave, granted they have innate bf?

[cinder relic]

Usually tuning between the rogue specs is pretty small, but between crafted gear, gearing for the spec you intend to play on the later bosses being important, between a lot of the best players not really wanting to bother with the spec even when it is objectively better

A combination of these factors

[finite arch]

Nope

Too cd dependwnt

[cinder relic]

Like rogue is generally pretty balanced, between the specs, in raid

[finite arch]

Unlwss they die quick

[novel socket]

oh i see

[cinder relic]

So when outlaw is like, 5% better on 1 fight in the middle of the raid its like

Most ppl pushing for world ranks probs aren't gonna bother swapping to it yk

[novel socket]

its because outlaw doesn't use two daggers i think

[finite arch]

Sub does like 0 dmg outside its burst

[novel socket]

while with sin and sub

you can just switch

with the same weapons

[cinder relic]

Well its mostly a "I'm gonna craft my gear around what spec I play on the hard fights"

[novel socket]

they both use mastery as their main substat too

while outlaw is versa versa versa

[cinder relic]

and a lot of the time that spec ends up being sub, or sin, and not outlaw

Like silken court, not an outlaw fight

[finite arch]

Im just gonna copy tomelvis my god

[cinder relic]

Mugzee, not an outlaw fight

[finite arch]

My goat

[vivid vessel]

im gonna play sub buddy

[cinder relic]

Outlaw really isnt that bad tho, this tier might be an exception on the harder bosses but

[vivid vessel]

im sorry to disapoint

[finite arch]

[novel socket]

outlaw can do degenerate things in raid

[cinder relic]

for wrs u gotta be a meta cuck or ppl shame u, even on tiers where outlaw is just objectively better

[novel socket]

with unlimited movement and defenses

[finite arch]

By degen you mean ks on mythic sprocket right(

[cinder relic]

but also if ur not pushing wr who gives a fuck

[grim spear]

ye I started this tier on sub, switch to outlaw and ended up prog mug on assa, horrible

[novel socket]

true but also not true

since people are obsessed with meta

no matter the level they play

even if at their level it doesn't matter

fucking streamers yapping whatever bs they come up with

[lone spear]

it can affect u if ur raid leader is like "not meta spec? benched"

[novel socket]

and people eat it

[lone spear]

but thats a guild issue

[finite arch]

My guild is asking me to go sin for prog in s3

[lone spear]

ive just accepted i'll have to get me some daggers to play ass/sub on last 2

[novel socket]

my guild is also getting more serious for s3 and they want a specific roster with specs and classes

roster is important but also

by the time we reach the hard bosses

its more like heroic++ than mythic

with the amount of stats we have

[lone spear]

my guild said that then recruited 2 ret paladins and have a nepo-raider trying to decide which fotm to play

but they keep nerfing the fotms

[novel socket]

yesterday we were doing reclear on gally

and i realized

that i can sit under gally while he does suppression with feint

and not drop below 50%

what turbo boost did to raid is unhinged

[lone spear]

yea its not even close either

if u max melee

[novel socket]

in progress i played it safe but now

i'm never leaving the boss

[lone spear]

thats how u parse son

greeeeeed

[novel socket]

but i had to switch to fatebound

because tanks still can't control the boss

[lone spear]

xdd

[novel socket]

sometimes they decide to take the boss for a ride in the park or some shit

to pee in a bush i guess

and then bring it back

[finite arch]

Thats why they give you 2 charges of grappel

[cinder relic]

dont do that here

[lone spear]

man i always swap channels when some shit gets posted and deleted

i just wanna see the unhinged stuff

[jolly geyser]

was just old saying something is bad

[finite arch]

[flat needle]

What will you play early season in M+ then?
I started progging as sub as well this season but m+ was pain until i couldnt anymore and fully committed to outlaw and never looked back

[jolly geyser]

oh I should play with KiR abit before patch,been awhile

[wintry solar]

I can provide

I got the goods

[lone spear]

i feel like instigating

[jolly geyser]

buff aug so it becomes meta

[remote pecan]

woke up and chose violence today?

[haughty galleon]

Has someone done the big brain calculations on todays change?

[jolly geyser]

yes Seny

[haughty galleon]

What does it say?

[mighty pivot]

** GM changes with new 11.2 BF: **
GM has been a x1.2 multiplicative modifier despite its confusing tooltip. This doesn't make any difference until you start factoring in PC which is an additive modifier (additive modifiers are applied before the multiplicative ones). The damage formula (with FF and PC) before was: (0.5 + ((7 - cleave targets) * 0.05)) * 1.2 * 1.25 which I confirmed a few months back.

With the changes to BF to 45%, GM is still providing 10% extra cleave baseline, but it is still multiplicative. In order to get the same +10% on a 45% base value you need it to be x1.2222222... (repeating).
That makes the new GM formula: (0.45 + ((7 - cleave targets) * 0.05)) * 1.222... * 1.25. The combat log screenshot confirms the formula for 2 targets. @gaunt phoenix can you create a PR for simc for this?

[brisk meadow]

oh no

many numbers scare me

[frank finch]

[mighty pivot]

it's a good thing

[brisk meadow]

ok saved

[jolly geyser]

10% to everything good

[vivid vessel]

outlaw

[frank finch]

u said good but looks like a nerf

[vivid vessel]

but gm is 20% mult

not 22

why are you suddently multiplying by 22

[brisk meadow]

to get to the same value the notes reffered for max target?

[mighty pivot]

it changed with the change to BF from 0.5 to 0.45

[vivid vessel]

waht

[grim spear]

it reads like a buff but numbers say sth different why?

[vivid vessel]

whgy would it change

[mighty pivot]

BF was nerfed, GM was upped a bit

[grim spear]

oh ic

[frank finch]

undocumented change

to gm

[craggy kelp]

[mighty pivot]

I suppose to keep the +10% the same for base BF 0.45 * 1.22222... = ~0.55

[vivid vessel]

I think you are yapping

stop yapping

i dont have time to think rn

i have work to do no cap

[brisk meadow]

dont yap too much maybe "he" will wake up

[craggy kelp]

Stretch your brain

[mighty pivot]

if GM was still x1.2 hitting for 24034 would cleave on 2 target for x1.125 (27,038.25). Instead with x1.222... it cleaves for x1.145833333 (27,538.9) which matches the screenshot (27540) with some rounding

[crimson thicket]

I have something you can stretch

[craggy kelp]

Is it Ks channel

Let’s see how far we can stretch it

[grim spear]

previously, the expected gain of gm was 0.5 * 0.2 = 0.1. Now bf is 0.45, so to keep this gain at 0.1, its new weight needs to be 0.1 / 0.45 = 0.2222222222.

[crimson thicket]

What the fuck is this math im reading

[grim spear]

simple elementary school math

[proven ocean]

Dont send this to zac

[jolly geyser]

[wintry solar]

Can I?

[haughty galleon]

So we do more right?

[vivid vessel]

L