#outlaw

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mighty pivot
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look up what drama incident happened on those 2 days

wintry solar
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They talk about you

balmy topaz
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Ye 100%

vivid vessel
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i love how everyone is flagged

balmy topaz
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zac stream

wintry solar
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I bet solo goes "I can't stand that Popo fella, wish he'd leave or do something bad so I can ban him"

mighty pivot
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if everyone is a criminal is anyone a criminal? think

gaunt phoenix
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it was about people pinging realz

vivid vessel
late swallow
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@realzz

wintry solar
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Oooooo

late swallow
wintry solar
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Get em solo

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I wouldn't let that stand personally

wintry solar
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Just got the email

late swallow
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The county actually sends me a check every month for my excess generation

wintry solar
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Excess...

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Your greed knows no bounds

mighty pivot
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stop hoarding the sun

wintry solar
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Mom said it's my turn with the sun

mighty pivot
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it's all fun and games until the people controlling the weather send clouds your way

late swallow
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If humanity makes it

keen belfry
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im bored

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i go on vacation tomorrow

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so i have nothing on my board this sprint

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what do i do.

red zinc
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you literally said td was pad and gushing was better

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padder

wintry solar
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Sleep

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Work out

vivid vessel
sudden fulcrum
vivid vessel
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i said i ws scared of pulling

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with td

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since then

late swallow
vivid vessel
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i have not seen a single person pull with it

keen belfry
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has td ever pulled

late swallow
vivid vessel
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and i never pulled with it

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so i just swapped

red zinc
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td can pull in two spots in the whole game

mighty pivot
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TD ninjapulling was just propaganda

red zinc
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And even then thats only with stupid ass pull positioning

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no it happened in the very first key i did

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With td

gaunt phoenix
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ive seen it in priory

red zinc
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Said it in here and then people got paranoid

keen belfry
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td can absolutely blast in certain pulls

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kinda sick

red zinc
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wish the d would blast me

mighty pivot
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it stops working in like 20 days garf_sit

gaunt phoenix
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man

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this xpac began yesterday

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now its the last tier

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tf

red zinc
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1.5 year xpac

wintry solar
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Good riddance tbh

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I've been bored all expac

mighty pivot
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not if the last tier lasts 1 year

red zinc
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thats a you problem

wintry solar
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That's a lie. I enjoyed this tier a lot.

red zinc
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war within was a solid expansion

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could be better

wintry solar
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B tier

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S2 carried it imo

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Loved the raid and zone

balmy topaz
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
late swallow
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Undermine cool as hell

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Season 1 was bad

wintry solar
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S3 will see if it's mostly good or mostly bad.

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Season 1 was actually boring

late swallow
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My prediction is that s3 will be either good, bad, or mid

wintry solar
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I didn't step foot in raid

late swallow
mighty pivot
frank bane
loud locust
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Can you play outlaw on gallywix myth?

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or is it just troll

covert heart
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Play whatever you want

loud locust
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but with killing spree

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am I going to die

covert heart
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It will workout. Just gotta let god take the wheel

loud locust
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I'll leave it then

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lmfao

fervent garden
mighty pivot
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aren't we all going to die eventually? no point worrying

loud locust
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I never die

quaint mauve
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yup

gaunt phoenix
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im not qualified to answer but it has been done

covert heart
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Just blame the healer for letting you die

quaint mauve
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last time i checked he was

covert heart
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Easy clap

wintry solar
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How's Henry

late swallow
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Hml5’s banner goes crazy

quaint mauve
late swallow
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Goonfuelmaxxing

gaunt phoenix
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wtf

mighty pivot
wintry solar
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Too many syllables

wintry solar
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Lock in

quaint mauve
wintry solar
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I dub you

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Avo

quaint mauve
late swallow
wintry solar
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I check everyone's profile

mighty pivot
wintry solar
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I have to

gaunt phoenix
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what is that

mighty pivot
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wdym you have to

wintry solar
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Uhm

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I mean

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I have to

late swallow
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Bro is on the lookout for opps

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Moving like an invasive species

wintry solar
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Close

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I need to know when the shadow wizards are near

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Nah I just like to look

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I'm nosey

gaunt phoenix
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what is this alien thing from

wintry solar
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I think a tool music video

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It's familiar

quaint mauve
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look at this beauty that’s getting cooked up for breakfast

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gaunt phoenix
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nice

wintry solar
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Nice

late swallow
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No one is locked in more than bro

late swallow
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Have some fiber bro

quaint mauve
wintry solar
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The feeling of all that effort looking at someone's profile and it's EMPTY

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Being wasted

quaint mauve
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what r we thinking for seasoning

wintry solar
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Hurts

quaint mauve
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salt and pepper or kindred cowboy butter

late swallow
wintry solar
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Salt and peppuh

quaint mauve
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or all 3

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okok

strong halo
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i had a boss fight with legit perfect rolls on 3rd boss of motherload and i only did 2.5M ST, do i suck? or we just arent great ST?

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my ST sim is like 2.5

late swallow
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Cook the eggs in the steak fat

crude flower
quaint mauve
gaunt phoenix
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your sim 2.5 is an average of a million billion pulls

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perhaps which perfect rolls you should have beaten it

late swallow
crude flower
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As long as it isn't still alive ill prolly eat it

strong halo
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gotcha so perfect rolls i should have been closer to 3M?

wintry solar
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Anywhere between raw and well done is perfect

strong halo
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like i used all my life luck on those rolls

fervent garden
wintry solar
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Yeah I have great takes

daring oxide
wintry solar
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They'll make plaques of me someday

daring oxide
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dont send KS when bomb guy has to soak orbs

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other than that outlaw gallywix is easy and pumps

gaunt phoenix
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i cant see without your sim

loud locust
wintry solar
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Vai, how do we feel about Midnight?

loud locust
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what about p1 with the lasers

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feel like i'll get bummed so have to not press it

gaunt phoenix
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but you probably wont do 20% ahead of the mean dps

loud locust
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me?

daring oxide
strong halo
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i guess idk if given the situation 2.5M ST on a M+ boss is good or bad performance wise. I did get dumpstered on by a demo who was at 3.5M

loud locust
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and then any other times I should be aware of?

strong halo
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given the rolls maybe its bad

loud locust
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like last phase when there's only 1 quadrant open?

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will I go to the blue parts

gaunt phoenix
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outlaw st is good, burst classes can look a lot better depending on kill timer

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Law don't burst

loud locust
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My assassin damage is dog on gallywix

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was thinking of playing outlaw since I got knuckles in vault

daring oxide
# wintry solar Vai, how do we feel about Midnight?

i think with our Outlaw Rework addressing the issues of Ion acknowledging we are unplayable without WAs, plus the reinvention of our zero hero talents being very uninspired and poop, we are looking very good for midnight. I had a vision that we'd be getting a new Hero Talent called Swashbuckler, focusing on comboing up with OGCD attacks to give you the slicey dicey feeling of playing a swashbuckler elite pirate, and another new hero talent called Savage of the Seas, focusing around cannonball barrage and summoning ghost pirate ships to bombard your target in a AC-130 Spooky fashion

wintry solar
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My dream was completely different

daring oxide
wintry solar
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I dreamt they culled a lot of resources back

daring oxide
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which resources

wintry solar
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Because of the high adr uptime

wintry solar
daring oxide
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i think outlaw should always be a gcd capped spec

wintry solar
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That's as specific as I can be

daring oxide
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and fast pace with 0.8-1gcd

loud locust
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I agree

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and damage should be increased because of how fast paced it is

daring oxide
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so if they peel back resources

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they need to ensure our identity and feel stays the same

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otherwise we'd become snoozy doozy specs like assa and sub

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and may as well be called subsination

gaunt phoenix
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outlaw has been largely the same since bfa

daring oxide
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i hope so

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it should never change massively from cadence and playstyle

white marten
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Outlaw is life

wintry solar
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Idk if keeping a playstyle forever is the best idea either

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I loved flag gsw db

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But

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I don't want it forever

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Or I wouldn't I mean

strong halo
fervent garden
white marten
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I have to mage for my guild this coming season don’t be surprised if i swap to rogue two weeks in.

wintry solar
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Vai

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What if they do a wombo combo of your vision and my dream

white marten
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U wombo

wintry solar
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He, she, we

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Me wumbo

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Wumbology??? The study of wumbo?????

white marten
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Im genuinely scared of another outlaw rework. I feel like they will mess it up somehow. Blizz is good at that.

wintry solar
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Well

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People know what they like

white marten
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Inb4 aoe and st builder and spenders are all separate buttons

wintry solar
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Personally I'm easy to please so any and all changes are fine

late swallow
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AR should extend your GCD, not reduce it

proven ocean
wintry solar
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Yeah

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Good point

white marten
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Imagine blade flurry being your defacto aoe builder 🤣

proven ocean
white marten
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BUT

proven ocean
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U know whats also good

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1000 bugs coming with it

white marten
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Say it

wintry solar
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Yeah...

white marten
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1000 bugs that take 2 expansions to fix

wintry solar
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That's the caveat

proven ocean
white marten
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Rework outlaw to have some burst. Not. A lot, but some is better than nothing at all.

proven ocean
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Last time i said exactly that

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20 people replied and started a war

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I wonder where they’re at rn

white marten
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You have to say it at the right time

sullen wyvern
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I think outlaw being constant slap with no burst is fun idk

wintry solar
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Isn't that what crackshot was suppose to be?

proven ocean
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Nah i said it out of the blue too

late swallow
wintry solar
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Or something similar

late swallow
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Iykyk

sullen wyvern
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Maybe make crackshot more reliable so it doesnt feel like shit whenever you low roll and dont have any crackshot proccing

strong halo
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@proven ocean ** sorry wrong tag. Why you hate outlaw

proven ocean
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@proven ocean ** sorry wrong tag. Why you hate outlaw

vivid vessel
sullen wyvern
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Nothing more prone to alt+f4 when you roll a single energy buff and dont get any crackshot procs, youre just there pressing SS like an idiot

white marten
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Zac, why you not streaming? I’m bored give me sweet outlaw content now

hot olive
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he is litrally streaning bruh

vivid vessel
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im litteraly streaming rn

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cuh

white marten
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Excellent

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Watching your video from the other day

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I’ll watch after

vivid vessel
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leave a like

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subscribe

late swallow
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Zac music check today?

vivid vessel
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hit the bell

late swallow
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Trash or good?

wintry solar
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Polish his shoes

white marten
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I already did that two months ago

jolly geyser
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I like steak

wintry solar
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Pick up his dry cleaning

white marten
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Outlaw looking promising

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In m+

strong halo
wintry solar
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Yo mama

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I should visit Zacs stream

vivid vessel
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Ye outlaw looks good

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I'm excited

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Big blast !

white marten
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If outlaw gets a ST buff its automatically a+ tier

keen belfry
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in game

gaunt phoenix
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remove gcd

wintry solar
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Awang:

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In game

keen belfry
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my crosshair placement is so good

late swallow
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Bro if you legit tried anything on me

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I’d grab your wrists and kiss you

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Woops haha mt

sudden fulcrum
keen belfry
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me vs 3 somnius after i kissed him

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mighty pivot
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purpol vai ar yu camp spon?

late swallow
keen belfry
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by the gods i would shit on somnius in cs

late swallow
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@gaunt phoenix how far ahead is FB + KS vs. no KS FB next patch?

proven ocean
late swallow
keen belfry
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does zeross know i was cracked at cs

late swallow
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honestly any terrain

proven ocean
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SOMEONE TELL ZEROSS I WAS GOOD IN ANOTEHR GAME

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SAAAAAAAAAA

keen belfry
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imagine zeross trying to hold B site inferno rn

proven ocean
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Ur a special one awang

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No cappi

keen belfry
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zeross be like:
How he know i was there ? cheat no ?

daring oxide
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for ST

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tuning

proven ocean
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5% or less alert

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Or 500% to do enh st

keen belfry
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vai

vivid vessel
proven ocean
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I dont think they will but outlaw st now its still ptr

keen belfry
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zeross would get shit on in cs right?

vivid vessel
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we are quite behind in st so idk

daring oxide
vivid vessel
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i think 5% + ks cast duration halfed

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sounds good or

proven ocean
daring oxide
daring oxide
keen belfry
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zeross you arent an aimer

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i know this to be true

proven ocean
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I am

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Radiant in valo too EZ

rancid wolf
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holy

proven ocean
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Gz

proven ocean
keen belfry
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valorant player talking

proven ocean
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awant left the chat

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you know when i also played cs

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like

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15 years ago in my computer lab's 10 by 10 pixels computer

sudden fulcrum
keen belfry
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this is zeross trying to defend A site from Awang takeover

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proven ocean
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i never installed cs in my life awang

wintry solar
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I've got 20 minutes of playtime in my entire life

proven ocean
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if u ask me whats ur login screen i'll maybe say escape from tarkov and move on

keen belfry
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cs is probably goated skill game

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that or league

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of online games like this

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the top top cs/league players are fucking psychos

gaunt phoenix
fluid iron
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id be inclined to believe you, considering you used global elite as a metric for being good

latent oak
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think starcraft gaps all other in skill cap surely

keen belfry
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ME?!

fluid iron
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nah zeross never having it downloaded

quaint mauve
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i uhh slightly overcooked it but

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wintry solar
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I play roblox

quaint mauve
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it still tastes good according to my brother

keen belfry
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we come from ESEA gaming

wintry solar
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A looot of roblox

keen belfry
fluid iron
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ESEA never really had that much traction in EU compared to faceit tho

keen belfry
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yeah ESEA was NA faceit was EU

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now its just faceit

fluid iron
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where as it was big in the NA scene

keen belfry
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esea dead

wintry solar
keen belfry
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i cant believe what i see these young cs players do now bro

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this generation of aimers

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is fucking crazy

wintry solar
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They look dry at least

zinc briar
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will be outlaw capped in aoe as always this next season?

wintry solar
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Yes

zinc briar
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ok bye bye gl with this bullshit class

latent oak
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can still do big dam while being capped

zinc briar
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lets hope for the next season or exp then

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nah u cant

latent oak
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current season outlaw

zinc briar
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in gambit u wont be good

latent oak
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is topping

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every key

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gambit isnt the same

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doesnt have all the shorerunners

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to pad on

zinc briar
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current season without warr and monk u wont be selected in queue

latent oak
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nothing to do with the cap

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cap is bad

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but it isnt holding u back

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as much as u think it is

late swallow
quaint mauve
late swallow
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how did you even cook those eggs bro

wintry solar
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That looks much better

zinc briar
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cap all classes or uncap them, its easy

quaint mauve
zinc briar
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dafuq is thtat watermelon with eggs

quaint mauve
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yup

wintry solar
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Mmm fruit

zinc briar
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are u fine?

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u have to work on blizzard for sure eating that shit

quaint mauve
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i like fruits with my meals

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and it’s very warm here

wintry solar
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Steak, eggs, and fruit is probably the best breakfast you can have

late swallow
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looks not bad

wintry solar
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Full of protein and fiber

zinc briar
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go eat eggs with nutella and ketchup

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or something like that

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u are sick

quaint mauve
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i’m pretty proud of myself i don’t usually cook

wintry solar
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You did good Avo

quaint mauve
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and the steak isn’t as bad as i thought there’s still pink in there

wintry solar
gilded tinsel
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what are we looking at here? Eggs on oatmeal with watermelon?

wintry solar
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It was cooked in the steak juice

gilded tinsel
wintry solar
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You don't cook your eggs in bacon grease?

quaint mauve
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i don’t wanna wash dishes now….

gilded tinsel
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I thought you meant the watermelon was cooked in steak juice

wintry solar
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Oh no lol

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That'd be weird

mighty pivot
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yeah lol you usually use femboy juice for watermelon

wintry solar
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Can't believe I'm talking you through the dish like I'm there

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I need more reaction images

wintry solar
violet bison
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Do we already kind of have an idea of how much more different outlaw plays than in current season?

white marten
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About the same

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Except you might die a few times less from KS

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and you will use cope de grace twice as much

white marten
violet bison
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KIR still prob the meta for higher target counts?

white marten
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Prob yeah

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Still too soon to say

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Can change by launch

keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
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  1. rtb will change, we will use loaded dice, and we lose the old tier

this means if loaded dice is active, we will roll if you will lose 0-2 buffs

also we will "roll after kir" a bit differently, i need to cook with this a bit

  1. we will be fatebound on st bosses, which has its own vanish rules, like holding vanish until RP or supercharger becomes active

  2. we will still be trickster in keys/aoe, and we will hold vanish until after double coup every time, unless you will lose AR of course

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@white marten

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  1. we will be kir, ho is probably deadge
keen belfry
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do you think rule 3 ignores overcapping vanish?

wintry solar
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Sigh

gaunt phoenix
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no you still send vanish at cap

keen belfry
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ok good

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i was like HMMM taht sounds WEIRD

gaunt phoenix
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thats the fatebound rule that currently exists

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just no one plays fatebound

wintry solar
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Oh that's raid?

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Or in general

white marten
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Gonna miss HO 🥲

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Buff HO blizz ! 😭

gaunt phoenix
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fatebound in raid, idk which bosses are aoe

wintry solar
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HO deadge in M+ you think?

gaunt phoenix
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fatebound is 5%? ahead of trickster st

keen belfry
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im excited for KIR gapping to begin again

wintry solar
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Kir is better in aoe anyway no?

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On bigger pulls

white marten
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Yes, it is.

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But not like significantly

wintry solar
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But that's this season

white marten
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Rn, yes.

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S3 looking like HO dead

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So start gearing your mage and learn how to arcane

keen belfry
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KIR GAPPING

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BEGIN

wintry solar
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There goes half my builds

keen belfry
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BEGONE CASUAL BLASTERS!

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YOUR TIME PRESSING AMBUSH

white marten
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Give outlaw Crimson tempest

keen belfry
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HAS GONE!

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im so anti elitist for everything but outlaw builds

covert heart
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Rise of the kir begins

white marten
wintry solar
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Its so tiring

keen belfry
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have fun playing what u want in everything else

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but if u play outlaw

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KIR.

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NOW

wintry solar
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Depends on how far behind ho is in keys tbf

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Will determine if I play it or not

white marten
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!wa

keen belfry
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recent history was like 8-10% right?

ornate heathBOT
keen belfry
white marten
keen belfry
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yes i know

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we are talking about when kir gaps ho

white marten
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Ahh

quaint mauve
keen belfry
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so no, not right now

gaunt phoenix
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stop posting food in here

white marten
quaint mauve
white marten
keen belfry
mighty pivot
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ravenholdt food review channel

jolly geyser
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steak for breakfast,I could never

gaunt phoenix
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in pure aoe yeah

white marten
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i thought it was meat, turns out it was watermelon

keen belfry
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mmm yesssss

gaunt phoenix
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it will be similar i think

keen belfry
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@wintry solar

quaint mauve
wintry solar
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You know I play kir too right?

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I play every build

keen belfry
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Sure Ole Sport

wintry solar
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Because I like outlaw

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Not kir or ho

keen belfry
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sure old man

covert heart
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We prefer to call em old heads

wintry solar
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So this just cuts my number of builds in half for no reason other than shoddy tuning

keen belfry
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dont delete them

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you can still have same amount of builds!

covert heart
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I do feel like kir should do a good amount more damage

white marten
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Buff greenskins whiskers blizz. So i can drop crackshot .

keen belfry
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pedro STOP IT

jolly geyser
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what is the dmg diff on ptr for ho vs kir?

white marten
keen belfry
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we had this yap a few weeks ago but crackshot is outlaw as much as arcane surge/touch is arcane

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in my opinion

wintry solar
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I can't wait for the builds 1 fth kir and no GS kir. For like what? 6 months?

white marten
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Well shoot- i must have missed it

keen belfry
wintry solar
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Pc

keen belfry
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no

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its already tehre cuh

late swallow
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u drop 1 fth for PC

hardy thicket
keen belfry
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blade rush gaming?

gaunt phoenix
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they said 1 fth kir AND no gs kir

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two builds

wintry solar
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Yeah

gaunt phoenix
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basically 1 fth vs 2 fth

late swallow
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blade rush build would go so hard

wintry solar
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Ty solo

late swallow
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any good blade rush + riposte builds?

keen belfry
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i still cant read that sentence in that way and solo even explained it

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
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can we get a reword please

gaunt phoenix
vale warren
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dawg wtf is this lmao

late swallow
keen belfry
vale warren
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some drake scam

wintry solar
gaunt phoenix
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im deletingb that sorry

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nothing good comes from trying to post 4 images

vale warren
jolly geyser
late swallow
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thought those were new drake leaks

wintry solar
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I think I'll just pvp with outlaw this season tbh

hardy thicket
keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
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no

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its

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trickster stuff

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1 fth is better with trickster

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to have room to prio SS

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for unseen blades

hardy thicket
#

Imagine pre DF Outlaw didnt care much about stealth even

gaunt phoenix
#

you know

vivid vessel
keen belfry
#

interesting

vivid vessel
#

it has never been better

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in that scenario

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there is no way solo

keen belfry
#

that makes no sense in my head but i trust solo

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pc isnt even getting any value in that sim

vivid vessel
#

1 fth worked better with trickster than not

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but like

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it was never just ahead

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no ?

random stirrup
#

Stacking 3 ps charges!

keen belfry
#

that seems wrong but i do trust solo

vivid vessel
#

im quite certain it was never ahead

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just by default

gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
#

i mean

gaunt phoenix
toxic star
#

more thoughts

image.png
vivid vessel
#

do the same sim on live

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

im just thinking its new trickster

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rather than the sim being fucked up

vale warren
#

i mean 2fth vs 1fth is literally just dropping a talent point for something that does 0 damage on 8 targets

late swallow
vale warren
#

so i assumed the apl is different?

toxic star
#

(again on my altvoker)

jolly geyser
#

lot of those rings today

vivid vessel
#

one fth is able to play around trickstewr better

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cause it can ss

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more

#

freely

wintry solar
keen belfry
vivid vessel
#

around coup

vale warren
#

makes sense to me

random stirrup
#

1fth works fundamentally differently tho you can ss more aggressively since you ps can stack higher and gets less cp per press

keen belfry
wintry solar
#

Wish blizz would delete gsw so we can let it go

late swallow
#

if they rework GSW, they'll make FTH a one point node

#

screen cap this

keen belfry
#

fth should be 1 talent point

latent oak
#

delete fan, go back to 5cp

wintry solar
#

Good cook right there

keen belfry
#

demolition duo back at it again

#

what is this, floodgate

#

right guys?

wintry solar
#

I'm so bummed out

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I knew ho and kir wouldn't be that even forever

#

But still

gaunt phoenix
#

ah

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you know what i did

#

@vivid vessel

wintry solar
#

What's that

gaunt phoenix
#

i used KIR 2 fth without GS

latent oak
#

xd

vivid vessel
#

ye

keen belfry
#

SHAME

vivid vessel
#

i know you did

#

you noo b! ! !!

keen belfry
#

/remove greenname

vivid vessel
#

/remove greenname

upper surge
#

Hmm

gaunt phoenix
#

trickster tier is more like 15% dmg now total

#

pretty close to fatebound tier

vivid vessel
#

hmge

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5% aura buff

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half ks duration

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we vibing

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lets go

gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
#

next week patch notes garanteed btw

#

ye you noob !

gaunt phoenix
#

ho does negative damage

vivid vessel
#

dont tell anyone

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
#

!pin

vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
#

in this case ho has pc as well but w.e

keen belfry
#

imagine a season

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where brew is meta

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so outlaw is invited

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and then outlaw is meta

#

and then kir outlaw players gapplebees

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imagine?

frail veldt
#

Jeeeeeez

#

Ho players in shambles

sudden fulcrum
keen belfry
#

punches HO players really hard

hybrid crown
#

I'm just gonna play the one I like more unless it does way less dmg

covert heart
#

Its only 10% and if you play kir poorly is it really a 10% gap if that makes sense

gaunt phoenix
#

this is slice

image.png
#

Pc does infinite damage as expected

keen belfry
keen belfry
#

pc wouldve never gotten a buff

#

its actually infinite aoe dmg

frail veldt
#

Why are Ho players complaining

hybrid crown
#

It's free real estate

frail veldt
#

6% is good

hybrid crown
#

I'm not that's fine

gaunt phoenix
#

it is pretty harsh in bigger pulls

frail veldt
#

I mean

#

That's okay

keen belfry
#

yeah idk how dslice sims work but id assume its doesnt replicate real life pulls where the gap would be bigger agian

covert heart
#

They should combine the 2 builds and call it hir

gaunt phoenix
#

dslice averages 4 targets ish

keen belfry
#

interesting

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i did not know that

gaunt phoenix
#

like average across the entire key including boss

#

the total blade flurry damage is fairly similar to a key

covert heart
#

I mean some tanks do only pull 4 mobs at a time so thats accurate then🤣

gaunt phoenix
#

but not a big pull key like cinder

keen belfry
#

thats very diff than most keys done at a "hard" level

keen belfry
#

i feel like im at 8ish targets every pull every dungeon

#

cb highe ryes

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psf kinda same

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ML is kinda 8ish every pull too

gaunt phoenix
#

i think bc of dying mobs you can be a lower average target count than you might think

keen belfry
#

i bet yeah

gaunt phoenix
#

unless you are perma chaining

keen belfry
#

taht would make sense

#

no one really perma chains the way that would make you incorrect

#

man PC is so good

#

when the pack gets smaller but your dmg doesnt feel like its even going down

gaunt phoenix
#

currently the only rotation stuff is old loaded dice rules, cancel killing spree, attempt to hold vanish until after double coup every time

#

which is done by checking flawless form stacks which is kinda fake

#

but idk how to check "did you double coup recently"

keen belfry
#

i will miss buff uptimes, i wont miss rtb as much as we do

vivid vessel
#

@gaunt phoenix

image.png
#

i think

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what can be done

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is prev_gcd.x.coup, where x will be the time in gcd after coup we wanna vanish

#

allow vanish rather

random stirrup
#

that one is a numerical amount of gcds

vivid vessel
#

yes

random stirrup
#

hmm

vivid vessel
#

you check numbers of gcds in the back

#

if i couped 5 gcds or less ago

#

i can vanish

gaunt phoenix
#

i figured pred_gcd.5.coup is checking if coup was exactly 5 gcds ago

vivid vessel
#

ye

random stirrup
#

sounds like a complex condition to do prev gcd 1 and Cp >=6 or prev gcd 2 and … etc

vivid vessel
#

nah not really

#

i dont think you have seen some of the vanish conditions

#

we have had

random stirrup
vivid vessel
#

think about the fact we also have to check talents

#

when we do these things

#

like with diff talents you do diff things

#

so you can have a vanish line that check if x + x + x talent is talented then you do x

#

thats already like

#

you kow

#

know

hot olive
vital wave
#

so next season, KS will have 1:30 or 3:00 Cooldown ?

gaunt phoenix
#

3

loud locust
#

Should I roll on iron thumb

#

if I have the knuckles thing already?

gaunt phoenix
#

nah

loud locust
#

both would be myth, not worth because of the embellishment weapon I got?

gaunt phoenix
#

its bad in keys

#

cause you cant swap it

#

and in raid idk its 0.3% dps

#

it is technically bis in raid but its so minimal

#

especially as kill timers are shorter n ow

loud locust
#

ah

#

no one else needed it

#

so guess I have 2 mythic outlaw weapons

sudden fulcrum
#

big

loud locust
#

current outlaw gear

#

gonna have to sim this thumb now

sudden fulcrum
#

stacked

wary bridge
loud locust
loud locust
bright crane
#

Jesus

#

So much mastery

wary bridge
#

Karesh is the zone i believe
Cant remember the raid name

loud locust
#

for the pic

#

but i'm mainly gear for assa anyways

loud locust
#

cba replacing my crafts tho just for outlaw

#

actually double weapons are a dps decrease

image.png
junior coral
#

Which spec yall think is harder? Outlaw or sin

loud locust
#

idk sims are confusing its the same increase for both weapons + recraft 2 items, as it is just recraft 2 items. but just using the 2 weapons alone is a -1.2%?

#

shid is confusing

loud locust
sudden fulcrum
#

hard is subjective and trying both for yourself is the reasonable approach

keen belfry
#

what dr do you have vs aoe stuff with elusiveness + feint + evasion up

vivid vessel
#

x0.6x0.8

#

elus only work on eva in this case

keen belfry
#

feint non aoe dr only works if the dmg isnt aoe?

#

idk if worded right

vivid vessel
#

ye

#

you should have read the talent tho

image.png
#

nooba

frail veldt
#

Yeah you don't get double dr

night glacier
#

which emb i use for 1 hand sword craft

keen belfry
#

mmm i see

#

ty lil bro @vivid vessel

white marten
proven ocean
#

mewo??

frail veldt
#

Are you trolling

#

You don't get 20% THEN 40%

proven ocean
#

what wtf relax mewo

#

im confirming what ur saying

#

it does "dont" get double dr

white marten
#

🤣

proven ocean
#

what the helly mewo

sudden fulcrum
proven ocean
#

i expected better from you

frail veldt
#

The helly

proven ocean
#

smh my cow...

red zinc
#

ross dont spread misinformation i will inflict a mildly inconvenient hex upon your bloodline

frail veldt
#

Hiccups before bed every night

#

Wait no that's too evil

proven ocean
#

i did notn't spreadn't misinformation

red zinc
#

analyzing

frail veldt
#

Yesnt

red zinc
#

Ok triple negative so its negative so it checks out

proven ocean
#

non't

red zinc
proven ocean
#

im stealing people's houses rn

#

anyone wanna see

#

its fun

#

ppl getting robbed

#

me getting money

#

@hollow temple pro house robber

image.png
hollow temple
#

_>

proven ocean
#

_>

hollow temple
proven ocean
glass mortar
#

oh shit osrs has safecracking?

proven ocean
#

@hollow temple im back there if u wanna come back

#

or thieve with me xdxBusiness

proven ocean
#

actual fun thieving method

glass mortar
#

ya rs3 has it too

#

i just didnt know it was in both

proven ocean
#

i went to 70 without like wanting to

#

ye its recent

#

very new

hollow temple
proven ocean
#

ya xdd

#

once

#

@glass mortar btw did u watch zorthar's video

#

the 8% monk buff is nerfing melee classes

#

outlaw will now be tuned around that 8%

#

feral bm etc

glass mortar
#

i mean of course specs are tuned around raid buffs to some extent

#

but it sucks and is stupid

proven ocean
#

he explains it in details btw

#

watch the video its nice

#

max is watching it

#

rn

#

if u wanna watch his stream

#

outlaw is missing like

#

16% dps?

#

or what

#

without raid buffs

#

so outlaw is automatically giga useless without raid buffs

#

back in DF s3 we even played with warr, monk

#

to compensate

glass mortar
#

without full raid buffs? id imagine its in that area now

proven ocean
#

ye

glass mortar
#

i wouldnt be surprised if its closer to 20% even

#

for full raid boofs

proven ocean
#

ye might be

#

its crazy rn

#

it was big back then in DF s3 too but

#

now its huge huge

#

idk why ppl think outlaw was raw op it wasnt

#

we always played warr+monk

#

so ye

#

without those 2 u just fall behind mage/priest

glass mortar
#

idk on live i feel pretty raw op

proven ocean
#

ur missing 13% dps

#

or how much is it

#

thats alot weran

glass mortar
#

idk many specs that can push 5-6m+ in random shitlow pugs with w/e raid buffs happen to be there regardless of how int ur tank is

#

yea and even missing 13%

#

u can still slam people on live

proven ocean
#

weran i can do 7m overall without raid buffs on sin

#

sin is good raw

#

but

#

outlaw? nope

#

i dont think thats good dmg dude

#

no cap

#

outlaw just sucks without raid buffs

#

like

#

rly hard

#

i think u need very good dmg understanding to know how bad ur doing (no offense to you i just play all the time)

glass mortar
#

i mean melee buffs r getting to big now

proven ocean
#

ye

#

mage for example

#

doesnt lose anything

#

XD

#

u legit always have a druid

#

in ur grp

#

and ur only missing vdh

#

thats it

#

nothing else

glass mortar
#

ye

#

i wish we brought our own buff

proven ocean
#

shaman is only like 2% mastery can be w.e

#

like

#

its crazy

proven ocean
#

just big no

#

all raid buffs need to be deleted

glass mortar
#

sure thats another fix

proven ocean
#

its bad for proper dmg tuning man

#

its annoying

#

to

glass mortar
#

they dont seem to want to do that tho

proven ocean
#

fuicking

#

dps

glass mortar
#

they did it for a short time period

proven ocean
#

without raid buffs

#

u feel useless

glass mortar
#

was it legion where almost all the buffs were gone?'

#

and theyve slowly been bringing them back and buffing them

#

ever since

#

they removed alot of am anyway

covert heart
#

People complained about them in the past so they removed them and then people complained there were no buffs. Now people are complaining about buffs again. Its just a never ending cycle

vivid vessel
#

I doubt people ever complained about raid buffs not being here for m+

#

I can understand the argument in raid

#

For m+ it's just toxic

glass mortar
#

well m+ was a baby in legion

#

wild west

proven ocean
#

nope

#

raid buffs suck in raid

#

and m+

#

legit

#

everywhere

#

like

#

its cringe to fucking login

#

AND HAVE

covert heart
#

People felt they weren't being brought because they lost their buff

proven ocean
#

AND ABSENT PIG

#

THAT CANT PLAY

high girder
#

if they want to keep raid buffs just give us back the watered down raid buff scrolls again, i beg

proven ocean
#

ON PROG

#

AND

vivid vessel
proven ocean
#

U CANT PROG WELL

vivid vessel
#

not m+

proven ocean
#

CUZ OF NO RAID BUFF

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

glass mortar
#

yea i mean if they r gunna do raid buffs

#

they need to go back to mop/wod

covert heart
#

I remember mplus as well but that was many years ago

glass mortar
#

or just not do them at all

#

thats been my take forever tho

vivid vessel
#

so

#

raid buffs

#

you compete against other raid buffs

proven ocean
#

they added raid buffs end of WoD because casuals cried about not being invited aas specific classes

#

like

vivid vessel
#

it doesnt change shit

proven ocean
#

suck my balls man

#

like

#

fuck this shit

glass mortar
#

wdym added u had raid buffs all of wod, they removed the vast majority of them going into legion

proven ocean
#

LIKE DUDE

#

u legit

#

never get invited anyway

glass mortar
#

in wod u has like 8 raid buff slots and every spec in the game provided 1-2 of them

proven ocean
#

RAID BUFFS

#

DONT FIX IT

vivid vessel
#

wtf

proven ocean
#

like

#

only

#

2%

#

or someshit

#

like

glass mortar
#

so u could mix and match ur comp alot

proven ocean
#

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

glass mortar
#

it was way better then what we have now

vivid vessel
#

@hollow temple

#

how do i get glad

glass mortar
#

win 100 games at 2400+ rating in 3v3

vivid vessel
#

Is that hard

glass mortar
#

yes

proven ocean
#

💀 is that hard

#

💀 its impossible for you my guy

glass mortar
#

relative to the pvp uve probably engaged in yes

vivid vessel
#

Weran

#

I do it easy right

#

Trikcz coach me

glass mortar
#

u need 2 other good players

vivid vessel
#

Pvp arc

glass mortar
#

with a real comp to do it

vivid vessel
#

Oh

glass mortar
#

but u probably coul

#

its 3v3

#

not shuffle

vivid vessel
#

I can't soloq?

glass mortar
#

u cant queue to it

#

no

vivid vessel
#

Ah

#

Well that's shut

#

Shit

glass mortar
#

shuffle has its own title and doesnt get glad mounts

high girder
#

With how deflated rating is compared to previous xpacs, its really hard still

fluid iron
vivid vessel
#

Fuuk

#

I wanted to soloq it

proven ocean
#

wait

#

no

#

i wont say

vivid vessel
#

Lfg pvp is even worse than lfg pve

proven ocean
#

nvm

glass mortar
#

i went for glad one season 2 expacs ago and we got halfway there then my friends both wanted to quit and i never found another team

proven ocean
#

cant share

#

hidden tech

glass mortar
#

its not hard to win games at 2400+ if u know how to pvp

proven ocean
#

i actually have a crazy tech btw

glass mortar
#

having people to play with is the harder part honestly

proven ocean
#

like

#

legit crazy

#

no cappi