outlaw

[wintry solar]

Good

[lost slate]

Fuck yeah

[wintry solar]

I save some of the art you make for the rogue articles

[lost slate]

Appreciate it, haven't done nothing recently tho

[real valley]

is outlaw meta yet

[mighty pivot]

to the surprise of no one tbh

[wintry solar]

It be that way

[lost slate]

Tbf they have enough images for a while

[lost slate]

[wintry solar]

I will say

The one with the undead rogue in the corner with the knife in the wall holding up a wanted poster is peak

I think it was a wanted

[lost slate]

Guy gave me the Tmog for that, I believe he also recommended Dalaran sewers, then I did stuff along with my gf (she uses Photoshop way better than me)

[wintry solar]

Poster

[lost slate]

Yeo

[wintry solar]

I'm too tired to remember. Caffeine crash

[lost slate]

It was a wanted poster yes

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[wintry solar]

Hello

[wintry solar]

Do you pop in to say hello just to inflate your message number?

[hasty warren]

No I just want to say hello to all of you

[wintry solar]

Daww

[hasty warren]

exept sub players

[wintry solar]

I understand

[mighty pivot]

[red zinc]

Goodbye

[wintry solar]

We need more gatekeeping tech innovations

Something sub players don't want but outlaws do

[red zinc]

I will invent something next season dont worry

[mighty pivot]

above tank ST damage?

[hasty warren]

[upbeat tundra]

so it looks like you need your physical damage to only be more than 27.27% of your overall for mystic touch to be better for you than chaos brand

[old reef]

gmm is outlaw doomed..

[jolly geyser]

yea

[wintry solar]

I'm just ignoring mystic touch and forgetting it even exists

So

I've been pretty chill tbh

Ignoring my problems

[mighty pivot]

they will revert that change for sure ( )

[wintry solar]

Nah

[toxic star]

thoughts

[wintry solar]

Not even gonna imagine that

Best stats for it I'm pretty sure

[toxic star]

unfortunately on my devoker

[wintry solar]

Oh

[covert kestrel]

reported for misleading

[wintry solar]

Fr

Mods

Explode this man

[mighty pivot]

[civic zephyr]

The season is over brooooo

[toxic star]

tell that to my 662 outlaw alt

[halcyon elm]

@ xepherisalt the season is over brooo

[vivid vessel]

Brooooo

It's overrrr brooo

[halcyon elm]

zac

rate s3 dungeons

outa 10

for rogue

go

[vestal notch]

streets 3/10 for outlaw

[halcyon elm]

wasnt dawnbreaker also bad for law

too much mounting it gets old fast

zzz

[balmy topaz]

Naa it's fine

Dawn is okay you can make it work

Last boss is cringe

[daring oxide]

there's a pea and mayonnaise pizzza

all dungeons are 10/10 for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Street, dogshit outlaw /20
Dawn meh /20
Gambit good +
Priory good ++
Halls good + if they fix us having dog shit prio otherwise it'd gonna be rough
Echo idk I need to play it more
Ara good + if they fix prio

[jolly geyser]

https://townsquare.media/site/341/files/2017/03/Pizza.jpg?w=780&q=75

[daring oxide]

how do they fix prio

[shy flume]

Subtlety season 🙏🙏🙏

[torpid fiber]

Damn I vaguely recall streets being decent for law wtf I guess it was just a pisslow key thing

[shy flume]

Fingers
Crossed

[novel socket]

buff ghost strike

[atomic garden]

how do u guys feel about prioritizing critical chance on m+ ?

[jolly geyser]

no rogues s1,fingers crossed

[halcyon elm]

i think hes talking about KS rework just hitting whatever it wants

[jolly geyser]

I mean 3

[daring oxide]

ah right

[torpid fiber]

issue with too much crit is u hit 100% on bte at fairly low crit

[shy flume]

Stop buffing assa ty 👍

[daring oxide]

they'll fix killing spree this week

[vivid vessel]

Buff st at least lol

We have ultra dog st

[daring oxide]

both FB and Trickster?

[vivid vessel]

But the ks being rng targeting now doesn't help

Ye

[daring oxide]

its probably a case of us needing an aura buff?

[vivid vessel]

But also fb prio is worse than trickster probably

You lose 16% st with more targets

[mighty pivot]

GS to 35%

[daring oxide]

ya maybe that would work actually lol

then it wouldn't affect bladeflurry

if they worry about that

nah

actually no

[vivid vessel]

Bro

Outlaw AOE isn't like

Crazy at all rn

It's worse than s2

We can afford buffing st without worrying lol

Our st is absolutely dog

Also every spec in the game has funnel now

Which increase the disparity between our prio

And other specs just funneling your ass

[atomic garden]

outlaw need a nerf on dmg

[analog mulch]

good take

[mighty pivot]

"we have funnel at home" | funnel at home: deft maneuvers

[balmy topaz]

Wild take

[atomic garden]

give us more rng stuns and lower dmg

[mighty pivot]

mace spec instead of riposte

[atomic garden]

outlaw burst is practicaly one shot

[vivid vessel]

We lose prio in AOE

[red zinc]

"us"

[vivid vessel]

Every spec in the game funnel

People still consider us a prio spec

[mighty pivot]

who does

[vivid vessel]

Everyone lol

I think you ask most people that aren't outlaw rogue they will tell you outlaw is a priospec

I mean it doesn't help that it's true for the other spec that is more played

Assa funnels

One of the best funnel in the game

[mighty pivot]

don't tell them the truth about s3

[vivid vessel]

People know that

[mighty pivot]

[vapid blaze]

how is deft doing
isnt that shit unplayable with trickster

[vivid vessel]

you play deft with kir

trickster does make deft awkard tho yes

annoying if you ask me

[vapid blaze]

but isnt that really cringe with all the resets

[vivid vessel]

having to press ss instead of other stuffs is just cringe

[vivid vessel]

at least now it doesnt reset

[vapid blaze]

espec since you cant track it

[vivid vessel]

so its essentially the saem as on live

you just get 2 when it proc

2 es

[vapid blaze]

oh

is that intended maybe i missed the patchnotes lol

[vivid vessel]

ye

2 weeks ago change

[vapid blaze]

couldnt u drop deft for the extra as?

[mighty pivot]

deft is a lot of combo points

[wintry solar]

Has anyone checked to see if the bag stuff on the ptr is fixed?

[vapid blaze]

yeah but you also get some back from KS aswell right

and more AS means more procs

[mighty pivot]

KS is every 20-25s, deft is 4-5s

[mighty pivot]

you will have to be more specific than that. Were there issues with the base ui with the bag changes?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix zorthas is now an ally to combate the predatory low precisions sims

[wintry solar]

Yeah

None of my addons that messed with the bags worked

[mighty pivot]

that's not base ui

[wintry solar]

Wait I'm dumb. It'll probably take longer for them to fix that

Yeah

I recognized that as I hit send

Also the ui is bugged

Unrelated to my problems

[atomic garden]

When will ks changes be implemented?

[mighty pivot]

and yeah they will need to fix quite a few things with bag addons, it might take some time

[hot olive]

in 19 days i think

[atomic garden]

ty

[near rock]

finally got 100 on every boss

never logging in again

[wintry solar]

Well

11.2 is in 19 days

[rapid grail]

i mean we cant just leave the KS?

:((

and pick up another talent maybe

xDD

i hate this sht

[spare vessel]

How’s outlaw looking for next patch?

[daring oxide]

wtfff

grats bro

[vivid vessel]

gg i couldnt do first boss

good work

[near rock]

ty

been my goal for a while so very happy to do it

[near rock]

im surprised u gave up on vexie

[vivid vessel]

wdym i gave up

i just couldnt do it man

litteraly impossible

i got r1 5 times per bosses

vexie

never

[near rock]

oh i thought u stopped raiding

oops

[vivid vessel]

oh ye we stopped kinda

[daring oxide]

500k more zac and you'll get r1 on vexie:

[vivid vessel]

we dont fully relcear since .7

and i have skipped some weeks

so im not even max on the raid renwon

i just gave up on .7 since we dont full reclear

so no point

i cant get r1 all

stars

[daring oxide]

guild on break?

[vivid vessel]

No

We do last 3 boss

Log off

[daring oxide]

ah ok

not even vexie wtf?

[vivid vessel]

And I took some weeks off for m+

Nah we do vexie

I'm just

I have been late on my renown

Cause I don't do hc

[daring oxide]

ahhh

[vivid vessel]

So I just don't have the renown cause we do 4 boss

Xd

Doesn't matter anymore anywya

Impossible to r1 vexi

i have 100 overall anyway so

all is good

[daring oxide]

@near rock i cant get r1 on cauldron or stix 😦

[rapid grail]

zac you would play outlaw or assassin innext season?

[daring oxide]

that 100% best pref avg looks so fake 😦

with the 99 and 97

[vivid vessel]

let me think

[high shard]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rapid grail]

xDDD

[vivid vessel]

how do you have 100 with a 97

[daring oxide]

outlaw, you dont even have to think

[near rock]

its a lil ugly but its still nice

[daring oxide]

yeah right how do i

im so confused lol

[vivid vessel]

i mean that cant wrok tho

wait i know

[near rock]

stix is brutal to rank 1 rn

[daring oxide]

ya

[vivid vessel]

you have a 99 on another partition

that doesnt show

cause its lesser rank

[daring oxide]

maybe i got rank 1 at some point

[vivid vessel]

lesser points

or

[daring oxide]

in the past

[near rock]

honestly my shit is kinda fake because I'm usually the first outlaw to publically log a kill

[vivid vessel]

no

[near rock]

so its just 1/1

[vivid vessel]

it has to lock in

[daring oxide]

nah i always see you up in the top, dont be silly

giga chad

[near rock]

someone on NA has to do it

[vivid vessel]

oh its stix vurai

it doesnt count

[near rock]

all the other outlaws are EU

[vivid vessel]

thats why

[daring oxide]

im just an imposter

ah yes stix is all stars blocked

so i dont really try on stix tbh

[vivid vessel]

ya

[daring oxide]

i just slurp up all the trash when balling

[rapid grail]

im still waiting xD

[vivid vessel]

i will just keep that one

100 median

[daring oxide]

yeah i was so annoyd

i managed to do like

[vivid vessel]

ye

wait a bit

im thinking

its hard

[rapid grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-suit-cute-cat-suit-cat-gif-7265348906001948321

[vivid vessel]

noob

[daring oxide]

yup

we dont get the 2nd big wave of adds

at 7mins

boss dies too fast

[near rock]

yeah same

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye not anymore

[near rock]

its fucked now

[daring oxide]

so i just blast ST as hard as i can

but still its hard

[vivid vessel]

but in .5 you did

[daring oxide]

sometimes I ahve to hold KS

because tank faces gallys butt into balls

for long time

[vivid vessel]

balls

[daring oxide]

and people complain about me getting stunned

when i just wanna get unseen blade stacks

[vivid vessel]

i press and get stunned

idc

[daring oxide]

ye i did too

but then they were crying

and i did it even after the bombs were soaked already by the bomb carrier

maybe a couple of oppsies

[vivid vessel]

i wiped boss once like that

but oh well

happens bro

[daring oxide]

but mostly soaking them after bomb stuff is done

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

ye

haha

i guess you soaked them before the bomb guy did?

[vivid vessel]

ye idc

i just pres

[daring oxide]

haha

[vivid vessel]

cause

you soak one only

normally

you have to be giga unlucky to soak 2

[daring oxide]

i wish i could but people in my guild complain so much about Killing Spree

just gives me a headache

[vivid vessel]

its basically impossible

[daring oxide]

need to find a new guild

[red zinc]

bro

[daring oxide]

they have no idea how hard it is to play outlaw this tier

absolute zero clue

[red zinc]

social raider rant incoming

[daring oxide]

about the pain of pressing KS every 10seconds

[red zinc]

when we were progging heroic gally with the gang

my tanks were complaining that they couldnt soak both duds on their own

so i started grabbing both with elusiveness

mfs complaining about "it deals too much tank damage to grab both"

[daring oxide]

lol

thats quite nutty tbh

how much hp

[late swallow]

@red zinc coming up for air on his date

[white marten]

Zorthas?? Yea, i love that guy.

[hasty warren]

nice flex

[high shard]

Macro Junkmaestro to sinister strike if its my only use or wait until certain amount of stacks?

[balmy topaz]

I am very happy I missed this season

Raid seemed sub par

KS gameplay just meh

[balmy topaz]

Don’t macro trinkets on abilities

If you use it in your first global in stealth your subt won’t proc

[fallow hinge]

I mean you can use it on any ability you'd never really press first in stealth like pistol shot or KS?

[balmy topaz]

You can but like surely at that point it’s more worth just having a bind for a trinket

For muscle memory when you inevitably in the future get a trinket that you don’t wanna have macroed

[fallow hinge]

I mean junk doesn't really care when you press it

I agree on having a separate trinket bind

but junky is one of those like bomb dispenser - as long as you don't screw with a class mechanic, just macro it to a button you press regularly

[vivid vessel]

No

It's a fantastic trinket to hold

You lose no value holding it

So holding it for damage amps

[fallow hinge]

ur a fantastic trinket to hold

[vivid vessel]

Finishing a mob

Or whatever

Is very cool

[fallow hinge]

a fair argument though

[balmy topaz]

And I mean

If youre a goblin

And use 2 on use

[fallow hinge]

who'd be a goblin D:

[balmy topaz]

Then youll lock youreelf

Not you

[fallow hinge]

I needed to be a void elf for the last two bosses

that's way cooler than goblin

[balmy topaz]

Dwarf is BIS

Just looks cool

I did enjoy life as Tauren tbh

[fallow hinge]

I strongly dislike how dorves look

spatial rift is just too damn useful

[balmy topaz]

Dwarf racial is so useful

[fallow hinge]

not for meeeeee

[covert kestrel]

goblin stealth bis

1% haste insane value

just being a lil fella: 10/10

[late swallow]

Better for climbing

[fallow hinge]

I'm not playing stealth classes, but if I was, vulpera is the clear winner

same rig as goblin, but has a tail, that makes it better

[hybrid crown]

Worgen rogue best

Their animations are pretty neat and tmog looks great as long as you don't care about helmet

Engi goggles always look good

[fallow hinge]

u always look good

[balmy topaz]

Liz are you still MW

[fallow hinge]

uhhhhhhh

I haven't actually been mw this entire expansion

[balmy topaz]

Ohh

Was that S4

[fallow hinge]

I went from mw to hpal at the start, swapped to pres 2 weeks in because hpal was giving me hella framerate issues on ovinax, swapped to dev, swapped to warlock because screw 25yd range, did this season as hunter, next season I'm gonna be either full time shadow, full time arcane, or half and half

mw and outlaw was s3

s4 was uh.. hunter

[balmy topaz]

Ahh

[fallow hinge]

oh or half hunter next season

they want me on shadow for the early bosses because spread cleave

[balmy topaz]

Outlaw frfr

[fallow hinge]

but after that, might be hunter or mage for the ST bosses, might just stay shadow, might see if I can go arcane for the whole thing

[covert kestrel]

dont guilds not like it when people switch up like that due to gearing?

[fallow hinge]

they asked me if I could keep multiple characters ready for comp swaps, so

[covert kestrel]

fair enuf

[fallow hinge]

but typically, no they don't

still waiting on ptr tuning to resolve before we review what I'm playing after boss 4 but it seems likely I'm locked on shadow for the first 4 at least

[covert kestrel]

im not raiding with my homies this tier cause im expecting to get my ass kicked in school and they run Fri/Sun raid nights which is fuckin lame... gonna be weird but hopefully i can keep up gear wise with some pugs/m+ spam

[balmy topaz]

Friday And Saturday night raids?????

That’s fucked

[fallow hinge]

no, fri and sun

[balmy topaz]

Ohh I mean

Friday is bad enough thp

[white marten]

Is there a lot of spreadcleave in raid next season? 👀

[fallow hinge]

in the first few bosses, apparently

[white marten]

Ah interesting

[fallow hinge]

idk, I'm tryna stay as blind as I can

[covert heart]

Through testing do we think trickster is gonna be bis again or is fb gonna get some play in raid or something

[toxic star]

first boss none
second boss not really, its eranog walls
third boss not really spread, but cleave
4th boss ultimately depends on tuning, you control where they spawn but it depends on how healthy the adds will be
5th boss absolutely (dhs)
6th boss pure st
7th boss effectively st outside of an intermission

[covert heart]

I hope its trickster

[chilly atlas]

id assume it would be

[balmy topaz]

I wouldn’t really prep for the first 3/4

[covert kestrel]

yeah fr. sucks that my entire m+ group does it so ill have some nice fomo to deal with tho

[balmy topaz]

They’re usually pretty easy walk overs

It’s the last 4 that should build the comp around

[fallow hinge]

cauldron and rik took like 60+ pulls for us. Guild wants to prep for first 4, so I prep for first 4, meaning we get more shadows boomies and warlocks

[balmy topaz]

Fair enough

[fallow hinge]

we're also like really melee heavy

[white marten]

Everyone wants to play outlaw, i get it 🥰

[fallow hinge]

literally nobody does

[desert tendon]

i do

i dont know the subject

but just to be contrarious

i say so

i do

[finite arch]

Whats better for outlaw in M+ house of cards or kezan eye?

[covert kestrel]

sim it, but in general eye will not be as good if youre not in a dedicated group pulling in a way that keeps the stacks up

Even house of cards is a niche choice vs pacemaker/vexie/whistle

[valid kindle]

also if you play ho HoC is kinda shit

[finite arch]

my trinkets are p bad

[valid kindle]

good aoe for kir

[finite arch]

i have pacemaker as the second slot

[valid kindle]

spam some clefts, whistle is nice

[keen belfry]

all im saying guys

[wintry solar]

awang

[keen belfry]

i will be in europe, off wow, for 2 weeks starting friday

if i dont come back to better outlaw ptr

i will Do Something.

[wintry solar]

you know how combat andies hate outlaw?

because pirate or wahtever idk I dont listen to them

[covert kestrel]

improve your life in fulfilling ways?

[keen belfry]

"i dont want a stealth based outlaw" shutup combat players

[keen belfry]

yes(:

[wintry solar]

do you think they know they were always prites?

also

leveling a new combat

half of it is stealth or adjacent

so like

whats their issue

I should log on to the forums and ask

[hasty warren]

mop classic ?

[wintry solar]

ye

[keen belfry]

they have no real arguement

and man

[balmy topaz]

BoS holyyy

[keen belfry]

does anyone here feel like a stealth spec

[hasty warren]

MfD

[keen belfry]

we press vanish but we exit stealth in the same gcd and blast guns

[hasty warren]

I'm missing it

[wintry solar]

lowkey Comabt has some sick talents I wouldnt mind sniping

[finite arch]

mod on outlaw

[balmy topaz]

MFD outlaw was goated

[wintry solar]

only when im scrambling to stealth at the end of a pack

[hasty warren]

real

[wintry solar]

gimme

combat had some cool stuff

cant deny that

[wintry solar]

whats funny is I want a non-stealth build but I also dont want to be on the same boat as combat andies so im stuck in this weird middle ground

[keen belfry]

I think this would be a sick button rn for your random windows of AR downtime that can be saved for a free vanish

Once every 5 min, down

[wintry solar]

I should whale out and buy a boost tbh

on dk though

[white marten]

Outlaw was best in mop

[keen belfry]

i cant believe how scuffed they did this mop release

3 weeks before new season?

cooked

i wanted to play mop classic

[white marten]

Cooked indeed

Actually an L release

[keen belfry]

shouldve came out like, a month atleast ago

[white marten]

Or 6.

[late swallow]

the way they're staggering shit out is so bad

no thought to release cadence

[keen belfry]

without a season 4 there really is no "good" time for something like this

just let the retail andys like me get a month or 2 on mop classic

[wintry solar]

shame mop ends at classic

classic ends at mop I mean

[keen belfry]

is that confirmed?

i was under the impression they were gonna keep going

[wintry solar]

they said in an interview they think MoP is when they believe the "Classic" version of wow ends

in an interview about TWW

Midnight I mean

they might keep going

no one thought cata would get classiced

[keen belfry]

i just think people who play a lot of legion classic

and blizzard is a business

[wintry solar]

yeah frankly I would put retail on hold if I could play legion classic

[keen belfry]

ihave this stance

legion will not be liked

legion = rose tinted glasses

[wintry solar]

I dont see it

Legion had a lot going on

plus blizz is obv open to big changes

[keen belfry]

yeah im assuming its not going to be changed

but like man

you couldnt play an alt

ap grind

legendary grind/rng

balancing

every newer version is wows best xpac

we just kinda have rose tinted glasses on

[wintry solar]

they gave stuff to classes in mop classic that they didnt get until wod prepatch

somehow rogue dodged the cp change

[keen belfry]

i know they change stuff, im just basically saying if legion released as it was RN so many people wouild hate it

[wintry solar]

well yeah

[keen belfry]

I personally would burn out so fast from legion

[wintry solar]

no one wants to do all that again

[keen belfry]

lotta people say they do

[wintry solar]

lotta people are dumb

[keen belfry]

legion would be sweet if they modernized it

which is my point

[wintry solar]

how modern

[keen belfry]

like, rn modern

warbands

no random grind

alt friendly

actual balancing

[wintry solar]

I wish there was a good private legion server

[keen belfry]

legendaries work the way they did in the last season

[wintry solar]

they usually go off the last tuning pass of the expac

[keen belfry]

i would quit legion so fast if i looted a shit legendary

i think after shadowlands, i think we can say every expac is the new goat xpac

[novel socket]

when outlaw was combat

did he also have adrenaline rush back then ?

with reduced gcd

[wintry solar]

yeah

[novel socket]

what would be the biggest difference between combat and outlaw ?

[wintry solar]

not a single memorable season since SL btw

ubless the df revamp was that big to you

[wintry solar]

guns

[novel socket]

combat didn't have guns ?

[wintry solar]

it was more or less the same

[novel socket]

so what did he do then

[wintry solar]

no

[novel socket]

in the place of guns

[keen belfry]

idk if i describe memorable as goat, to me WOTLK is the most memorable xpac

[wintry solar]

sinister strike into snd or evis

[keen belfry]

wotlk is not better than df

[novel socket]

was roll the bones a thing ?

[wintry solar]

no

[keen belfry]

wotlk is not better than tww

[novel socket]

tww is almost the same shit as shadowlands

and a big step back from df

legion is the best expac ever and i doubt they will ever top it

[keen belfry]

we simply were noobs and loved how wotlk was and what our life was, i was like 11 bro i thought that shit was so cool

^ same applies for legion for us

[wintry solar]

I mean memorable like looking back at past seasons

[keen belfry]

we were just nooby noobs

[wintry solar]

like 8.3

[novel socket]

wotlk and legion being the best expacs is because they gave a closing to the warcraft rts series storylines

[covert heart]

Legion for me is the best expansion

[novel socket]

everytime blizz has to write story that is not based on the original games

it goes to shit

[white marten]

Bfa s3 is insanely underrated

[wintry solar]

SL was my favorite. Outlaw had so many builds and they were all fun

[covert heart]

Dragonflight was a pretty good expansion

[wintry solar]

everyone was OP

[keen belfry]

i thought wotlk was the goat expansion, it had me SO pumped for wotlk classic. i played wotlk classic and was like, this is it? this game fucking sucks

i just loevd the idea of wotlk 🙂

[novel socket]

dragonflight was good gameplay wise because blizz was desperate to get people back

storywise it was disney garbage

but now in tww they are slowing going back to their old shit ways

[covert heart]

Wotlk was good for its time but is bad for today standards

[wintry solar]

its not that it was bad, its just that theres nothing to do compared to what we get these days

[keen belfry]

yes

[wintry solar]

what little content there was was good

[keen belfry]

every xpac is just

better

[keen belfry]

no it wasnt

heroic dailies?

[covert heart]

I would say bfa was pretty ass till the end

[keen belfry]

full clearing a raid in 2 hours?

i genuinely found wotlk classic absolute shit

[white marten]

Bfa s3 is easy A tier

[keen belfry]

and i grew up on wotlk and thought it was the goat

[wintry solar]

well I was a fan

wrath back then had class changes that kept things fresh

[covert heart]

Problem is s1 and s2 were just dogshit

[white marten]

S2 raid was nice

[keen belfry]

upgrading to A++ silverware but still eating shit doesnt make the shit taste good

[covert heart]

Sl was fine for the most part had its issues though

I think people have a sour taste for sl because thats when all their allegations came out

[keen belfry]

i really think the modernization/removal of random grinds was so so good for wow which i think started in DF

[wintry solar]

I played dk back then so actually it was a downgrade

[keen belfry]

i burnt out in SL so fast because covenant shit

[wintry solar]

it was the grind

100% the grind

[covert heart]

The grind was bad 2 but peeps left for a while also because of the allegations

[wintry solar]

sure

[covert heart]

Half our guild disappeared because of that

[keen belfry]

what DF and TWW have done SO WELL is just kinda letting you do whatever content you want and not falling behind which is sooooooooooo goated

the less I have to do, the more i will do

[covert heart]

Delves can burn in hell though

[keen belfry]

you dont have to do delves

[covert heart]

Yes you do

[keen belfry]

i mean

[covert heart]

For the belt

[wintry solar]

you really dont

[keen belfry]

if you consider lvl 1 delves

one a week

4 times

[wintry solar]

yeah thats a one off thing

[keen belfry]

then you dont want to play wow

[vestal notch]

you can max the belt in like 30 minutes

[rapid grail]

They are forcing too play them anyway so

[covert heart]

Its still an off thing that needs to burn in hell

[wintry solar]

belt aint that great anyways tbh

[covert heart]

Like 9th circle of hell

[vestal notch]

delves have their own public

its good for them

[rapid grail]

🤣😂😂

[keen belfry]

that grind is so fake i dont consider it a grind at all, i will not compare 5 minute delve grind to AP grind, convenant grind, etc

[wintry solar]

it will in 19 days

[finite arch]

whats best belt enchant for outlaw i have been using the versaone

[covert heart]

Gotta do it week 1 for your vault

[keen belfry]

that past 2 xpacs you can just do mythic+ and raid and have the same exact power as anyone else

[wintry solar]

ive never ran around in circles more than in DF and TWW tbh

[keen belfry]

you really dont, ive skipped it every new season lmao

[covert heart]

This season you can get a hero piece

Instead of doing nothing week 1

[wintry solar]

dude

this current player hub sucks

[keen belfry]

dornogal is ass yeah

[wintry solar]

because theres no good place to mindlessly jump in circles

[covert heart]

Gotta have a fountain

[keen belfry]

valdrakken fountain was so op

[covert heart]

In the center of town

[wintry solar]

Val and Oribos were peak tbh

I still go to Oribos to run in a circle

[olive beacon]

Thoughts on macroing feint to spree so I don't accidentally get ass fucked?

[vivid vessel]

i basically do that

my brain just press feint

everytime i ks

hard habit

[keen belfry]

i, out of habbit, just press feint before every ks

[olive beacon]

and evasion to a dps ability to maximise uptime?

[vivid vessel]

fucks my energy for 0 reasons sometimes

[keen belfry]

i waste a bunch of energy in dungeons

[vivid vessel]

haha

[keen belfry]

my god zac

are we the same person bro

[vivid vessel]

bro

[keen belfry]

cuh?

[vivid vessel]

what if we are ..

[wintry solar]

spooky

[olive beacon]

I don't have the brain power to remember that hence the macro

[vivid vessel]

ye whatever

dont forget to remove it next tier

[keen belfry]

i have to consciously think "dont press feint" a lot

[vivid vessel]

same

[keen belfry]

i legit have ran out of energy in st due to it

[vestal notch]

does that make u french?

[keen belfry]

oui?

[covert kestrel]

we don't really have that many binds so just learning to press these things seperately will serve you well in the long run

[wintry solar]

I press it so often in pvp that I have muscle memory bleeding into pve and it ruins my energy

[olive beacon]

I don't want to learn i want to play

[wintry solar]

based

[keen belfry]

outlaw is funny for as "challenging" as it is, we really dont have that many buttons to press

[wintry solar]

fast as buck boi

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[covert kestrel]

bad spec for that tbh

[keen belfry]

just playing outlaw based on vibes for the msot part will int you

[olive beacon]

I'm good at making bad decisions so that checks out

[keen belfry]

my guilds first mugzee reclear took 30 pulls

last night we one shot it

gg

we then spent the night inting OAB after gally so not gg

[olive beacon]

Naa I'm learning, hence why I'm here

[olive beacon]

my idiot guild was the opposite

[keen belfry]

i still dont know how people parse on gallywix

[lone spear]

honestly, dont ask me

i got my 100 parse when i had to sub in bomb doing

xdd

first time doing mech, lost some uptime

and that was my 100

its just rng frfr

[keen belfry]

i raid lead and bomb carry

i think i only send 1cp ks in last phase

[lone spear]

also kill timing matters so much, if u get to p3 its easy to parse better

like look at this

this guy played FB

and did that much more cause he saw deep

there is no logic xdd

[gaunt phoenix]

it does seem worth to hold vanish for double coup, every time

unless you lose ar of course

[daring oxide]

how much %?

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm still refining the actual rule

it's a bit weird to check "did you double coup recently"

it almost needs to check a certain amount of flawless form stacks

[daring oxide]

ah i see

dam

gonna be so much extra to track

lmao

my brain

[lone spear]

we already kinda track it tbf

[daring oxide]

i play like a monkey

[lone spear]

any updates of fatebound using killing spree?

[lone spear]

my testing found it to be worth

[gaunt phoenix]

i did a cursory check a while ago, it seems worth by like 1%

[daring oxide]

damit

cancel angle?

[gaunt phoenix]

you do cancel it

[daring oxide]

ok nice

its just free damage, shame about the cone targeting shit though

what do you drop for KS?

asFB

[gaunt phoenix]

it's competing with improved main gauche

[daring oxide]

ah ok

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt check aoe

[daring oxide]

then thats good

surely in AOE ks is better

[gaunt phoenix]

well aoe has to give up something else

[daring oxide]

oh

[gaunt phoenix]

improved main gauche is st

[lone spear]

3% vers?

[gaunt phoenix]

but you trickster for any aoe anyway

ye idk

[lone spear]

nah surely fatebound gets the aoe scaling it desperatley needs for outlaw and ass

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe 3% vers is not even that good when we have 39% vers

[daring oxide]

in my head

[lone spear]

what else can we even take xdd

[daring oxide]

3% vers is 3% damage

[covert heart]

I hope fb isnt good shit is blah

[daring oxide]

fb is pretty good

with the tier set

ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

it is good st

[lone spear]

it feels nice on ptr

[daring oxide]

ye

definitely does

no more lucky coin memes

even though it kinda feels like it was bandaided

rather than actually fixing the problem

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster and fatebound are closer on st now though

[covert heart]

Just the theme of a magic coin that does cosmic damage is dumb to me 🤣

[daring oxide]

ya

its a terrible fantasy

really bad

but damage is damage

maybe in midnight we get a rework

[lone spear]

dw outlaw rework in midnight will fix eeeeverything

[covert heart]

Oh I will play it if its bis

[daring oxide]

like hunters have had 3 times so far this expansion

[lone spear]

[gaunt phoenix]

i like tails

it should have some visual

[daring oxide]

yeah

[covert heart]

Is there a confirmed rework?

[daring oxide]

ye

69% chance rework

confimred

confirmed

well

50/50

they either do it or dont

how i like to think

so i dont get my hopes too high...

[covert heart]

I wonder if they will change the hero talents for next expansion

[gaunt phoenix]

it used to have the icon of like azshara

so originally i thought it was like invoking her power

kinda cool but nope is just a coin

[daring oxide]

they should let us shoot the coil

like in that railgun anime

https://tenor.com/view/misaka-mikoto-gif-17649619795101834907

if we get tails we do the above

[covert heart]

They should hage made a cannon based hero talent for outlaw

[lone spear]

been saying FB should have an ability that only procs when u get a lucky coin

and it just does this huge casino animation

[covert kestrel]

hard to do that when we share it with sub/assa lol

[daring oxide]

but i wish fatebound wasnt casino related

i wish it was related to ending someone

[covert heart]

I don't care about sub only my spec

[keen belfry]

i think id take a fth becoming 1 talent point over a ks channel reduction

[covert heart]

They can kick rocks

[daring oxide]

ya same

[lone spear]

trickster's "coup de grace" is already like, the build up to a finale type shit

would be weird to have that be the same for FB too

[covert heart]

Honestly they should just make 1 hero talent for each spec would be easier to balance

[daring oxide]

well dunno

coup doesn't feel like a finale

but

fatebound

is like

dunno

just shite init

can't even think of an excuse for its existence

[lone spear]

i expect itll get a major redesign

[daring oxide]

it should

[lone spear]

similar to how dark ranger was

[daring oxide]

hunters has had like

3-4 of them

back to back

tier by tier

[covert kestrel]

or new hero talent trees for midnight

[daring oxide]

rogues turn

fuck hunters

[lone spear]

hunter popular, rogue not

[daring oxide]

lets go realz

[lone spear]

but i agree we're due

[daring oxide]

cook something good for us

[lone spear]

realz does cook well, he just takes his time

[vestal notch]

dont get confused vai, we all should unite our hatred towards one class only, and we all know its blue

[lone spear]

a patient chef

[daring oxide]

banquet for rogues in midnight with introduction of real hero talents

thats fine

[keen belfry]

im kinda over 1fth, but i will never drop gs or pc so

[daring oxide]

i just hope after all this time and a whole expansion to cook

we get a 3 star meal

not mcds

[covert heart]

Trickster doesnt even really feel like a outlaw hero talent either

[vestal notch]

we will get food stamps hero tslents

[covert heart]

We got 2 hero talents that don't fit our theme like at all

[daring oxide]

ye 1fth is just worth when you can get PC and GS

[slate forge]

We will get nothing and we will suffer it is our way

[covert kestrel]

make GS 0 energy and allow for our KS to focus on a single target

[daring oxide]

maybe actual time to reroll

also ion is gonna rework outlaw

[balmy topaz]

NO

[daring oxide]

he said in his interview

he can't play outlaw

too complex for him

[balmy topaz]

Ion reworking BM

Too complex for him

[gaunt phoenix]

you know

[lone spear]

i dont accept ion slander

[gaunt phoenix]

if they really cut access to the combatlog API

[covert heart]

Ill accept all of it

[balmy topaz]

dudu buff

[gaunt phoenix]

i do think they are not prepared

[covert heart]

He be designing raids he cant prob do either

[lone spear]

thats how they design mythic

they tune it down so they can do it

[daring oxide]

would this kill our class WAs?

[lone spear]

then tune it up based on what they think WF guilds can do

[wintry solar]

id do the same tbh

with that kind of power

[lone spear]

if u think the devs are good enough to do stuff like release ansurek

ur cooked

but that also is on the community, they released a last boss i reckon they coulda done in like 300 pulls and shipped it

then WF got there, smoked it

[winged inlet]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

Prepared for what

It's not happening till like a few years anyway

If you mean their own add-ons are shit still

[quaint mauve]

what breaks u outve shroud of concealment

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk the fallout it will bring

[quaint mauve]

and why is my mage (kappa) getting caught by the first 3 ads in ToP

[lone spear]

taking damage, doing damage, casting BF

[mighty pivot]

didn't they imply that they would not make combat log disappear, but rather delay its dispatch so that it cannot be used real-time?

[lone spear]

anything that would break regular stealth

[quaint mauve]

what could have my mage possibly done

[lone spear]

chances are hes blinking

which would break him out for that brief moment i think

[daring oxide]

what will even happen if they stop combatlog api

its gonna break stuff like weakauras?

[quaint mauve]

has to have been he actually died without doing any dmg

[daring oxide]

.wa

/wa

eh

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[daring oxide]

like these

do we say goodnight to these?

[gaunt phoenix]

it will break the container stuff that has to parse combatlog

idk about the rest

not enough info on what they are doing

[lone spear]

i think the unseen blade tracker also runs off combatlog

[daring oxide]

if it doesn't affect our class WAs we use like Zac's group then im happy and fine with that

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[daring oxide]

oh i see

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster might not exist by then idk

[daring oxide]

so unseen blade tracker might be dead

i see

[lone spear]

its a ways off

but something to consider

[daring oxide]

well i have a baby on the way due november so probably retire after next tier

[lone spear]

maybe dont make spaceship UI rn xdd

[gaunt phoenix]

you're preggo?

[daring oxide]

will skip the fallout of them ending addons

[mighty pivot]

we don't know details yet, but most likely it will affect any WA using events which are only available through CLEU

[lone spear]

grat

[daring oxide]

no my wife is obvvvvvvvvvv SOLO

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

grats

[lone spear]

🫃

[daring oxide]

ty

i am not the preg one

i told zac a while back, he'll slowly become the last outlaw left

when the rest of us have moved on

still pushing 10k keys a tier

[lone spear]

idk man, they usually do reworks before it gets super dire

i wouldnt stress too much

[mighty pivot]

[lone spear]

my only thing is am i gonna get bored before then

this tier isnt changing alot, especially for FB

it just plays a lil better

but thats when i whip out the secret technique....of not playing sub and playing devoker instead

[finite arch]

Guys gushing wound or echoing void corruption?

[vivid vessel]

Ye maybe

Idk tbh

I never liked add-ons much

Like the things that help you too much

It's just that it's needed cause blizz UI is trash

If I can add sounds to stuffs for example

And the cooldown manager is good

I think I'm fine with it

But idk I love making weak aura aswell

[grave rose]

Blizz ui was designed for pushing frost bolt x 100. and never updated for the extra complexity

[sacred saddle]

if they make their own implementations of the stuff people use it for not shit, it'll be fine

like the buff tracker :)

[grave rose]

were playing a modern game with a UI designed for a game from 20 years ago. Clearly they know that

[vivid vessel]

Also I love having buffs and shit show at like a circle around me when I can

But that's another part of blizz UI being dogshit ass

[covert kestrel]

twilight dev

[mighty pivot]

they would also need to make base nameplates not trash

[finite arch]

I watch a vid that said td has a p bad proc rate or something like that

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye true

Nameplates

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw message

[finite arch]

hmmm

tyty

[white marten]

The outlaw buff coming next week or the week after? I forget

[gaunt phoenix]

we suspect they will tune ST but dont know if or when

[mighty pivot]

new patch tomorrow night (real) ||(lie)||

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ksganti-jumpscare-gif-18209355

[quaint mauve]

i run twilight dev bc zac runs it

[hybrid crown]

Does cloak prevent any of the group soaks from working on mythic gally

Like the canister or the venn diagram/healer one

Wondering if I'm throwing by using cloak for that third set of ads/soak

[calm osprey]

No, you're good. It still counts as being in the soak for body count, even if you are immune with cloak.

[fallen totem]

Killing spree got buff?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah a week ago

[hybrid crown]

Tyvm

[red zinc]

dont think he does

[wintry solar]

If Zac jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?

Anything for the dps tbh

Nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

i do

cuh

[hardy thicket]

Yes?

[wintry solar]

You merz I expect

[vivid vessel]

popo

you are the biggest opp

• dk player

[gaunt phoenix]

oppo

[wintry solar]

Imagine hating on ne when I'm literally laying on my belly swing my feet in the air

[gaunt phoenix]

popo

[hardy thicket]

If zac jumps off a cliff im confident theres some min max shit going on there

Im following

[balmy topaz]

Who is this

Who is lying

[mighty pivot]

pics?

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/overrsoul-p1harmony-theo-choitheo-theochoi-gif-25713096

[gaunt phoenix]

?

[vivid vessel]

that was last week

tho

[wintry solar]

Me

[vivid vessel]

i swear people cant read

at all

legit

[balmy topaz]

People are on copium

[sudden fulcrum]

i didn't talent into reading

[mighty pivot]

zac lying when he said he never lies

[wintry solar]

Beat me to it

We all lie

Esp muffin

[vivid vessel]

i hate people

[wintry solar]

He's literally evil

[vivid vessel]

that just say

i say thing

which i didnt say

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820

[mighty pivot]

"i hate people" - zac 2025

[wintry solar]

And all sub categories of people

That's wild broseph

[gaunt phoenix]

thats my line

[vivid vessel]

real

staff-moderation?

secret channel wtf

guys

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[wintry solar]

I was looking at that too

[vivid vessel]

leaked

[gaunt phoenix]

leaked

[balmy topaz]

leaked

[wintry solar]

Leaked

[balmy topaz]

I bet that chat is super toxic