outlaw

[red zinc]

in that image

[proven ocean]

to this spec

and our procs expire in 10 seconds

doesn't make any sense

[late swallow]

idk if I dislike 1fth or GS more tbh

[proven ocean]

GS is fine somnius

its even more fine the better u play outlaw

[late swallow]

i don't like GS and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

[proven ocean]

because u just end up managing ur energy like a madlad

[vale warren]

1 fth would be so so shit if we didn't have bs up the whole time

[proven ocean]

nah i love GS

i can see why ppl would hate it tho

[red zinc]

but yeah thats nzoth they posted a more highres version

[proven ocean]

i just love pressing it as a filler to minmax that extra 1 cp

[red zinc]

it aint smooth enough to be a building silhouette

[proven ocean]

i think this is very hard tho

for most ppl

[vale warren]

I wish GS was cheaper but having an off gcd builder is cool

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think thats nzoth

[proven ocean]

i think GS cost is good

[late swallow]

it's not nzoth bro it's silvermoon

[proven ocean]

GS energy cost is perfect

[vale warren]

Bro that shit looks like icc

[wintry solar]

de we just rewind time wth

[red zinc]

bro silvermoon is in the bottom right of the image why would it be up there

[proven ocean]

it only feels bad on pure st when ur low energy (gs)

[red zinc]

[vale warren]

Or torghast? Lmao

[proven ocean]

that being said

i think outlaw should have more base energy regen

like

for example

20% more natural energy regen

[late swallow]

nzoth wasn't even that big of a void guy

he was more into the corruption and shit

[proven ocean]

then u would feel less bad about GS

but

[gaunt phoenix]

nzoth again is lame as fuck

[proven ocean]

the cost needs to stay the same

[gaunt phoenix]

Fuck him

[balmy topaz]

Didn't they reduce our haste regen when they put the 20% haste thing inplace

[proven ocean]

yes

they did

[gaunt phoenix]

Invent a new baddie instead of nzoth

[balmy topaz]

Energy sorry

Ye

[late swallow]

ysharjj or yoggy would be cool

[proven ocean]

FF from 70%
to 50% i think

or is it 45% now?

idk

but ye

it was 70%

[vivid vessel]

thats free

[red zinc]

im broke

spot me the 100k thanks

[proven ocean]

btw

i was paying like

100k per 2 days

[vale warren]

Ff should totally be 100% and reduce the amount it generates to compensate

[proven ocean]

on aug runes

and i pushed for like 3 months

idk u do the math

prob wasted gold cap on aug runes this season

[vivid vessel]

bro thats exactly what i told them

[gaunt phoenix]

ROGU is hilarious

[vivid vessel]

i wanted DAGE

KNIF

[gaunt phoenix]

what

[red zinc]

whats even like the

wait

wtf zac

are you saying

[proven ocean]

rouge

[neat mist]

KNIIIV PAPA KNIV

[gaunt phoenix]

DOGE

[red zinc]

KIFE

🔥

whats the ff uptime looking like now solo

since it was like 100 before

[gaunt phoenix]

ff uptime?

[red zinc]

flawless form

[gaunt phoenix]

oh flawless

[vivid vessel]

KNIF

ff is perma

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean it's like 95% uptime or whatever

[vivid vessel]

its fazed that isnt

[red zinc]

ah ok

[vivid vessel]

or well

[gaunt phoenix]

but the average stacks are different than before

[vivid vessel]

its on live

bro solo

one thing i noticed on ptr

which sucks big cock

everytime i target swap

fazed isnt up

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

and i cant coup

wasnt the case on live

i swear

[red zinc]

that silhouette might be a manaforge omega building actually

i think i overcooked

[proven ocean]

thats why sub tracks fazed

outlaw had a rly short cd and i even asked zac if hes tracking it

he said no

i guess now its a big deal

im just amazed how its possible to make a hero talent this flawed

[glass mortar]

kspree applied it to everything nearby

is probably why

i dont know why it did this tho

[proven ocean]

so many issues with trickster its crazy

[proven ocean]

its intentional

because

its same as sub

[glass mortar]

was it intentional

it doesnt do it anymore

[proven ocean]

sectech als applies to everything

wdym

it does

[glass mortar]

and the only difference is ur shooting instead of teleporting now

[vivid vessel]

it still does

[proven ocean]

it just has 3 min cd

[wintry solar]

my fear is

[vivid vessel]

but

[proven ocean]

which is annoying

[vivid vessel]

you press ks less

[glass mortar]

oh u just dont cast it much anymore

[proven ocean]

too long for uptime

[glass mortar]

icic

[proven ocean]

yes

[glass mortar]

that sucks

[wintry solar]

we sacrifice gameplay to maximise the tier bonus

[proven ocean]

besdies

[glass mortar]

why the fuck is this even part of how trickster works

[proven ocean]

weran

u know why its double worse now

not just longer cd

weran

listen

ok

[wintry solar]

in general I should say is my biggest fear with these things

[proven ocean]

1

sec

weran

[vivid vessel]

i need to track it in my big trickster weak aura now

idk

[proven ocean]

alert alert

like

[vivid vessel]

its cringe af

[proven ocean]

not only ks is double the cd

but

[vivid vessel]

most cringe thing is when your target dies

[proven ocean]

u generate double non KS ub

[vivid vessel]

you have coup

and like

[proven ocean]

which aheppns 24/7

[vivid vessel]

bte isnt ready

wtf do you do

you cant coup !

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

especially great since every coup is actually two coups now so ur likely missing out on twice the amount of stacks

[proven ocean]

so u just can never target swap

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[glass mortar]

unless u can proc a UB

[proven ocean]

oh

my keyboard just randomly sent that

[vivid vessel]

idk why fazed isnt a buff

[red zinc]

aaaaaaaaa

[vivid vessel]

when its essentially a buff

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

idk why fazed is even required to gain ur coup FF buff

[red zinc]

the everlasting debuff to buff pipeline

[glass mortar]

completely unnecessary

[vivid vessel]

guys its a debuff but applied to every target and perma uptime and

ok

why isnt it a buff

but also yes

[proven ocean]

wait till u play outlaw to realize u can even have fazed on 1st coup and not 2nd

[vivid vessel]

why is fazed a requirement

for coup

[proven ocean]

dude

logging ptr

just siezes to amaze me everytime

[red zinc]

outlaw is just in a design limbo for a lil bit i think

[proven ocean]

i just find new dogshit systems 24/7

[red zinc]

i know we keep moving the flagpole for it

[proven ocean]

like weran look

u wont feel the double coup no fazed on 2nd thing

[red zinc]

but guys

[proven ocean]

till u raid on it

like

if u raid on outlaw

u coup once

and u run out

[gaunt phoenix]

i just want to be fatebound and have coins

[proven ocean]

ur like

omgomg i have a mechanic

OKOK 2 SEC LEFT ON COUP

[vivid vessel]

no perma tricks

[proven ocean]

FUUUUUUUCK

I LOST FAZED

WHAT DO I DO

[vivid vessel]

dogshit aoe

dogshit prio

[proven ocean]

u just send a raw ass coup

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fine for my shitter keys

[red zinc]

11.1 11.2 12.0 will be the patch outlaw gets reworked guys

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

without flawless form

legit cringe

[gaunt phoenix]

new trickster has kind of high variance btw zac

[red zinc]

doesnt everything

with tier set gone

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the old tier makes variance worse if anything

[proven ocean]

new tier is maybe just as strong or even stronger btw

but

only if UB storage exists

if it stays that way it'll always be shit

and rng

[red zinc]

yeah i just mean like

id think old tier set would give less variance since you get 2/5 buffs more often so you can press kir easier

but i guess you play loaded dice

so it doesnt change that much

[proven ocean]

i genuinely think PTR tier set is stronger than live one in highest variance possible but only with storage

like u can legit blast so hard in theory and the gameplay will be alot smoother

but also i think it shouldn't be a thing without also making FTH last 30 seconds atleast

like FTH disappearing in 10 seconds is so bad man

having to press SS at like

last sec of FTH in hope to keep it up

is just giga cringe

[rapid spoke]

oh look, they are buffing assa again

cringe

[proven ocean]

WTF

[red zinc]

they arent

[proven ocean]

NEW ASSA BUFFS

[red zinc]

thats last weeks changes

[proven ocean]

?!?!

[red zinc]

how has wowhead not edited that article yet btw

lmfao

[proven ocean]

assa lowkey has very high st in m+ rn

like actually high

because u can prestack spymaster

[red zinc]

like real real st

or with funnel

[proven ocean]

real st

[red zinc]

zamn

[upper surge]

Wait

Is twist an actual resource

[proven ocean]

but idk its just ptr maybe ppl aren't playing good

[upper surge]

He actually knows how to play outlaw?

[proven ocean]

who

[gaunt phoenix]

weran

[upper surge]

Twist

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-twist-this-guys-balls-gif-14452691700856895686

[red zinc]

we call him delve around here

[upper surge]

Weran

Delve slut

Whatever

[gaunt phoenix]

twist is a terrible name

[red zinc]

idk we all got phds in yap

[upper surge]

What do you want from me

That's what he calls himself

[proven ocean]

i think most active ppl here have read everything on the FAQ already

so yes

[red zinc]

why does that guy have such a terrible name

how dare you larias

[upper surge]

I was told to add this to my name

[late swallow]

Twist is short for Twistopher

[upper surge]

Idk what it means

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-umm-chile-anyways-gif-2259936602289648860

[red zinc]

very valid

[daring oxide]

is the guide ready yet

[red zinc]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[upper surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc

[late swallow]

Damn this dog ugly as hell

[balmy topaz]

[daring oxide]

brilliant thank you for your hard work senpai

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[upper surge]

Rep not finished yet because they keep changing numbers on ptr

[balmy topaz]

Ikr toxic

[daring oxide]

I'm an outlaw rogue that loves walls of text

[upper surge]

So waiting until they figure that shit out

[proven ocean]

idk

wall of text

mountain of text

cum of text im not reading any of it

[red zinc]

where does it say that even

[proven ocean]

best i can do is read 1-2 words and leave

[upper surge]

I get told every season my doc is too long lmao

[red zinc]

oh nvm

found it

[wintry solar]

do we know what trinkets are best in ptr atm? I know it doesnt matter but I gotta see something

[proven ocean]

yea

[wintry solar]

or they all mid again/

[proven ocean]

spymaster

but

[red zinc]

the people saying that are like

[proven ocean]

like

everyone im seeing

are playing spymaster wrong

[red zinc]

those "wow is too much of a job nowadays" goobers

[proven ocean]

like

even top players

[balmy topaz]

Tell them to stfu

[daring oxide]

use AI to summarise it and put it in a TLDR section

[red zinc]

that have no benefit from a sheet like this anyway

[upper surge]

Lmao

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix are the spymaster trinket sims out yet

cuz im 100% sure this trinket is being pressed wrong by most ppl

[daring oxide]

or label it 'For Outlaws'

[proven ocean]

it can be wrong on sims too

[balmy topaz]

Whcih trinket is that again

[red zinc]

did they nerf the fuckin

mastery delve trinket

yet

[proven ocean]

the one that atk's arcane dmg

and stacks agi

like i think i figured out how to press it on outlaw

without griefing ur dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[proven ocean]

no offense to all the top players but legit everyone i saw is playing it bad

[glass mortar]

twistinfate was the name of my shadow priest that i mained from WoD until early shadowlands

so people called me twist

[red zinc]

elaborate when to use it

[glass mortar]

thats probably where larias got it

[proven ocean]

like im genuinely shocked why ppl just send it on specific pulls and not when you have good procs up

[red zinc]

wait

this stilll didnt get nerfed?

[proven ocean]

like

look

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's noticeable lol

[proven ocean]

the main issue with this trinket is

not the mastery one

i mean the

agi one

like

[vivid vessel]

Like I feel like when everything align

It can blast

[proven ocean]

the main issue with it if you use it on trash

ur st is legit gonna be trash

because u have low stacks starting on a boss

[red zinc]

\

[proven ocean]

so ur gonna miss an entire use

[glass mortar]

just on the boss tho

[proven ocean]

weran

[glass mortar]

i mean u need to use the trinket where u need the power

using it in aoe will give more raw dps

[proven ocean]

i did 3.1m st on outlaw day 1 btw

[daring oxide]

why

[glass mortar]

not necessarily useful tho

[proven ocean]

u know why?

cuz i used the 15 stacks on boss

and not on trash

[glass mortar]

because that sounds like how much outlaw should do with no raid buffs and m+ build in s3 gear?

[proven ocean]

does that mean outlaw st is good?

no

but

the trinket is surely good

thats why i did good st

[red zinc]

the trinket is good

[proven ocean]

kinda

like if u do stack the trtinket to 15

u can do coinsistently high dps yes

[glass mortar]

why r u even stacking it to 15 tho

[proven ocean]

but its rng too in the end anyways

well

[glass mortar]

outlaw should get similar value just using it every 20s aligned with a vanish honestly

[proven ocean]

because if u have it on 15 on a boss and u try to get good buffs early

and send it with pot

[glass mortar]

it doesnt increase the average stats of the thing

oh sure

[proven ocean]

u legit blast

like

[glass mortar]

if ur a class where PI matters

[proven ocean]

legit blast

[glass mortar]

thats not outlaw tho

[proven ocean]

typo

i meant pot

but ye

pi matters too

[red zinc]

pi with new ks

broken

[glass mortar]

i mean id just use the thing nearly on cd aligned with 5 buffs or with vanishes

thats prob optimal usage for law

[wintry solar]

can I buy neck on the ptr?

[proven ocean]

but nah like weran, i think the trinket is very easy to fuck up on outlaw

[red zinc]

if you dm me

[proven ocean]

like

i saw kush using it randomly

idk why he used the trinket on 2 buffs

like whats the point u feel me

[red zinc]

probably not minmaxing like that on ptr idk

[glass mortar]

i think probably the difference in value between using it on cd and storing it up is smaller for outlaw then it is any other class in the game

[proven ocean]

like im sure he did it mindlessly cuz its ptr and no one cares about ptr

[glass mortar]

but u should be able to get some value out of holding stacks

[proven ocean]

i dont mean hes bad hes very very good he just didnt care i know but

[glass mortar]

considering how flexible it is

[proven ocean]

like

my point here weran is that

ppl should deeply think about this trinket

and not just press it

u know

because look

[glass mortar]

i dont think u need to think deeply but yes i think u shouldnt just press it randomly probably

[proven ocean]

1 thing you really need to understand weran

[glass mortar]

shouldnt really be doing that with any stat trinkets

i think i understand ross

[proven ocean]

i played good amount of ptr on this trinket, so that said i want to point out that if you misuse this trinket once

thats a HUGE dps loss

like

legit huge

its actually so easy to fk up

[glass mortar]

i mean im not goingto agree with u here because i doubt that entire trinket is worth more then 8% of ur overall dps on a key and thats going to be using it dozens of times

[proven ocean]

you need to know when ur class is gonna do most of its dmg

then send it with the trinket

[glass mortar]

but we are just going to be semantics about what u mean by huge

[proven ocean]

u can hold sure but

u cant just send it without any procs

or

u cant also send it on a trash pack

cuz

[wintry solar]

im about to blow up

[proven ocean]

i believe this trinket only shines in pure ST

[glass mortar]

why

[proven ocean]

because u get another usage weran in the same fight

ffor example

listen

if u use it on a pack pre boss

u have 7 stacks right then u send and u go boss with 2-3 stacks

u wait till 10-15 once u have good procs u send ok

then by the time u reach good stacks again boss is dead beforehand

but

with the trinket on 15 on pull

u try to proc things well on pull

[glass mortar]

why wait to reach good stacks again just send it on 7

[proven ocean]

and u legit get another usage

[glass mortar]

its not like law has real burst

i mean i get what ur saying, u can focus damage on bosses

ur not right about it being worth more raw damage on st if thats what u think tho

u get more raw dungeon dps sending that use on the trash

because agi scales ur aoe directly

and aoe scales harder then st

[proven ocean]

nah u legit feel ur dps rising like a hotdog flying to the moon if its on 15 with 4-6 buffs (good buffs only) and u pre double coup'ed

like

no cappi

u pump ass dmg

like

ass

like u try to setup all those things

on pull

u cant just waste stuff on trash weran, its very hard to understand why but it matters alot once u play idk 100 keys a week

[glass mortar]

i dont really know how to engage with this convo, everything ur saying is very basic trinket usage optimization for stat trinkets

[proven ocean]

ur gonna notice that

[glass mortar]

wdym its hard to understand why

[proven ocean]

boss dmg matters SOOOOOOOOOO much

compared to 1 pack dmg

[glass mortar]

the why is "if this boss needs more damage, focus resources on it"

thats not complicated at all

thats like m+ 101

[proper bear]

U ever just say fk it we ball tho?

Yolo trinket life

[proven ocean]

weran

look

i know this may seem new to you but

since aug wasn't meta

ST became a major issue in m+

[glass mortar]

nothing u have said is new or exciting in this convo

[proven ocean]

i know aug was here a long time

no like look

[glass mortar]

no offense but everything ur talking about for optimizing is very basic bitch on use stat trinket optimization

[proven ocean]

back when aug existed

why was ST not an issue?

[glass mortar]

i guess outlaw usually doesnt deal with it?

[proven ocean]

can u answer that

[glass mortar]

wdym why was st not an issue

it depends on the key and the key level and the current m+ meta

[proven ocean]

no i dont mean that u dont know

i just mean

[glass mortar]

some metas have had higher ST pump specs then others

[proven ocean]

ye ofc

but look like

before

sure

metas has higher st

but its not true anymore

like

look

before, ST was never a concern

in m+

[glass mortar]

well st was only a concern half the time in m+ before even right, tyran and fort were not universal

[proven ocean]

aug existed, and it buffed ppl's st alot and u always had atleast 1 super op class with aug that pumped st

like

[glass mortar]

we had one week of each

[proven ocean]

imagine that

[glass mortar]

who needs st when u can push on a fort week

[proven ocean]

s1 enh sham does more dmg

than s3 outlaw on st

why?

[sudden fulcrum]

whatcha pushin BUD

[proven ocean]

aug buffed the shit out of it

so like

bosses died legit insta

[proven ocean]

fort doesnt exist now tho

[red zinc]

big +12 what the fuck goin on

[proven ocean]

but still that point even adds to it

like

bosses

are SOOOOOO important

[glass mortar]

yes all of keys are different now

yes bosses got bigger due to the change

[proven ocean]

weran like legit, boss dmg matters the most for key timer now

[wintry solar]

anyone unable to use simcraft on ptr?

[proven ocean]

so like

[glass mortar]

depending on the key and difficulty yea i agree

[proven ocean]

if u lose some dps in some packs

[gaunt phoenix]

what is simcraft

[proven ocean]

just for a slightly higher st on boss

thats SOOOOOOO good

for timer

[wintry solar]

simulation craft

[proven ocean]

sooo good

[gaunt phoenix]

ye what do you mean, the addon?

[wintry solar]

thats what yall use no?

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

like /simc doesnt work?

[wintry solar]

no I get a lua error

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe there is an alpha release

[proven ocean]

anyways weran

i think ST should be heavily looked at in high keys or people that value key timer and dont want their st to look shit

cuz i think outlaw ST is looking even shitter as shit as it already is because of prism trinket (spymaster)

that trinket sucks on st if u run to a boss with very very low stacks

so it makes ur outlaw dps look worse on st

even tho its already bad to begin with

[keen belfry]

am i cooked for saying how often we got 5 buff this tier is how often we should get it

or closer to this

[glass mortar]

yes

[keen belfry]

grr

[glass mortar]

no for kir tho

ive been toying with the idea that kir should just give you +2 buffs or something

[keen belfry]

5 buffs are such vibes

[glass mortar]

so you could always kir easily on 3-4 buffs

[proven ocean]

whoever is playing outlaw on ptr

dont use prism on aoe

idk why but

well look

out of all things

[glass mortar]

prism on aoe is more overall

[proven ocean]

when i play m+ my eyes are on meters 80% of the time

[keen belfry]

i just think the vibes of 5 buffs

[glass mortar]

and unless ur doing keys where bosses are the check

[proven ocean]

and on mobs+kicks+stops 20%

[glass mortar]

its fine

[proven ocean]

i can confidently say that prism trinket

[glass mortar]

but its nice u can save it up

[proven ocean]

barely changes ur aoe dps

[glass mortar]

i mean thats just

i dont even know how to engage with this

[proven ocean]

its only super good in like

[glass mortar]

amplifying ur raw dps by 20% doesnt effect ur aoe dps?

[proven ocean]

with good good buffs

no like

[glass mortar]

but it does effect ur ST?

[wintry solar]

wtfff

[proven ocean]

only with good buffs

[glass mortar]

it doesnt make sense

[wintry solar]

fine im going to sleep

[proven ocean]

weran

if u use it

[wintry solar]

stupid ptr

[proven ocean]

with no buffs and big pack

ur dps is not gonna change

[glass mortar]

ok u didnt say "dont use the trinket with no buffs" tho

u said aoe in general

[proven ocean]

ye i know i know it was a yap comment okay

but listen

[glass mortar]

not using ur flexible on use stat trinket when u just have BT and nothing else

makes sense

[proven ocean]

like

[glass mortar]

regardless of if its st or aoe

[proven ocean]

u cant use the trinket in aoe if its a big pack and u have shitty buffs, no coup

like u need perfect conditions

[glass mortar]

yea

[proven ocean]

and look weran

that said

[glass mortar]

u probably shouldnt use it st if u have shitty buffs no coup

[proven ocean]

if you dont use it on those perfect conditions

[glass mortar]

right?

[proven ocean]

ur legit gonna do so low dps

without realizing it

[proven ocean]

yeah

for sure

u just hold 15 stacks whatever just hope u get a proc soon and send all together

[glass mortar]

now im going to be the downer here and say id be surprised if just using the trinket on cd doesnt sim highest for law

[proven ocean]

ur doing 0 dps anyway

[glass mortar]

because our burst is nonexistant

but i hope gaming it like this is the best choice

[proven ocean]

weran it wont matter

[glass mortar]

if we can even use the trinket anyway

[proven ocean]

im saying it now

that trinket wont change how we play in sims

i promise you that

because that trinket is based on real gameplay

its just like spymaster u wont use that shit on cd u may hold it for a boss to actually destroy him hard

or u have a big pull ahead and ur a cd class u just wait

it over pumps

[glass mortar]

spymaster simmed as best used with ur major 3/4m cds tho

so idk what u mean by just like it

it never simmed good to use on cd

[proven ocean]

no i know

i mean on the big cds

i think spymaster was bigger than it simmed in M+

like

[wintry solar]

damn

[proven ocean]

way bigger

why?

because

of very accurate uses on specific areas

its like

dungeoon routes

u ahve shitty routes early on

[glass mortar]

when you say bigger

[proven ocean]

same for that trinket

[glass mortar]

you mean more impactful

not more dps

[proven ocean]

u ahve shitty uses early on

yes

like

[glass mortar]

ok

its very confusing when u word it like that

ur not saying the sims arent giving the right numbers

[proven ocean]

you will have shitty uses no matter who u are if you use that spymaster trinket

like

[glass mortar]

ur saying its use case goes beyond raw dps

[proven ocean]

ur not gonna know what ur doing early on

[glass mortar]

and i agree on that about most things

[proven ocean]

till u figure the dungeons out

and ur buffs etc

oh

i g2g now actually

irl

good talk weran

but

i think

that trinket is gonna be super good in high m+ especially

no cap

cuz u will have fixed uses of it in specific important areas

[glass mortar]

depends on the competition but probably yea, its super flexible

[proven ocean]

ye

like

[glass mortar]

only thing is it has no stats on it except the on use

[proven ocean]

u can use it for timer

or

[glass mortar]

and the damage proc is very good on us

[proven ocean]

defensively even

[glass mortar]

but it might be meh on others

[proven ocean]

u can legit use it defensively

but u may ask me how?

let me explain real quick

look at 1st boss priory for example

i promise you everyone will stack it to 15 and not use it if it wont too overcap

cuz the pull after 1st boss

is SOOO big

u need big dmg and main stats

that way

the pack will die way faster

and u will live without burning out dfefensives so hard

u get me?

[wintry solar]

this is gonna sound really stupid and please dont be mean

but

[glass mortar]

yes ross i understand

i feel a bit like u just m+splained "the trinket is flexible and you can hold it for important points in the dungeon" in like 15 different ways

[proven ocean]

g2g now tho

[glass mortar]

when the core idea is the same for every single one

[proven ocean]

cya

[glass mortar]

but its ok

i agree

[snow socket]

is any of you rocking the muropaketti roll the bones weakauras? how did you set it up for the standard M+ kir build?

[umbral pivot]

So from all the rogue specs is outlaw performing the worst?

[glass mortar]

on live? no. on ptr? who knows

[umbral pivot]

Hasn’t anyone tested it?

[glass mortar]

very few people

not many people testing rogue at all let along outlaw

[wintry solar]

Only thing I've done was try the new killing spree in a follower dungeon

[ionic nimbus]

yeah i was trying to find some vids of people doing keys on ptr just to see what's what and i could only find 1 video

[wintry solar]

When it first dropped

[vivid vessel]

Which video

[ionic nimbus]

it wasn't yours

but I've just found yours

lmao

[vivid vessel]

I'm interested

[ionic nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQbwgq4w2U&pp=0gcJCc0JAYcqIYzv

[vivid vessel]

In the other one

[ionic nimbus]

was that one

idk who he is tho

[vivid vessel]

How casual isn't dead

Holy shmoly

Wdym you don't know who casual is

[ionic nimbus]

should i

[vivid vessel]

Ye

He is the best rogue player

[ionic nimbus]

aight well spoilers he got shit on

outlaw is dead

gg

[covert kestrel]

Shots fired

[vivid vessel]

It was a bit ago tbf

Since the we got 5+% buffs

Idk how much it account for now

[ionic nimbus]

we can only believe my man

[vivid vessel]

oh well it will get buffed

im not worried one bit

[keen belfry]

got my darkfuse coat

gg

[sudden fulcrum]

you're in the matrix now

[keen belfry]

idk how yall did double what i did

shoutout rep bnuff

[vestal notch]

who the fuck are you and what did you did to zac

i love the chill good feedback zac tho

[vivid vessel]

wdym

i just went past the point of dooming

[prisma vessel]

ascended zac

[vivid vessel]

im dooming so much i know there is no need cause we are going to get buffed

thats like

im above all of it now

[sudden fulcrum]

daaaamn

he has become enlightened

[quiet root]

doesn't it come set up?

[vivid vessel]

bro they broke bag aggons

addongs

on ptr

gg

i cnat open bag

its over

[vestal notch]

you entered the celestial state of dooming?

[vivid vessel]

i did

[prisma vessel]

pour one out for zac's bag addon.

[gloomy coral]

Pot, meet kettle.

[vestal notch]

i cant play with bag addons for some reason, i love base ones

[wintry solar]

Is your simulation craft addon working?

If you have it

[vivid vessel]

on ptr?

[wintry solar]

Teah

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

no

nothing is working actually

since the yupdate yesterday

they prolly broke stuffs

ah ye of course

even simc

get stuffs from bags

and they broke all bag related stuffs

while deleting the bank thingy

bro wtf

[mighty pivot]

whenever they mess anything with bags you have loads of things breaking

[vivid vessel]

system wild

[mighty pivot]

how many people will have the triangle of shame on average when the patch launches you think?

I am expecting at least 1/5

[sudden fulcrum]

i have a feeling people will try to get it for the meme

and then actually get suspended so it won't be funny anymore

[vivid vessel]

how do i know i have it

i have it

[mighty pivot]

uh oh leaver detected

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

have u considered voting to quit before u leave, u toxic abuser?

[vivid vessel]

my bad sorry

[glass mortar]

u'll never catch me with that thingy

💅

[mighty pivot]

[vestal notch]

how do u vote

do u /ff?

[vivid vessel]

leader should be able to deactivate it lol

cause legit

[mighty pivot]

ff 15 and x9

[vivid vessel]

if you are in a 5 stack grp

you just perma leave

[glass mortar]

probably should be able to toggle it on and off

for the full premade pug groups

r me and my 4 guildies gunna remember to vote abandon everytime we hearth out of one of our bricked keys

[mighty pivot]

imagine having to do this cringe in premade groups 💀

[random stirrup]

i think its gonna be very funny for the first 2 weeks yelling at the premade to ff15

[mighty pivot]

tank gap

[random stirrup]

go next, cannot time key with this healer

[glass mortar]

god yes finally i can relive my wow exp in keys

3 deaths on the second pack "gg go next"

me when its 0/3 at 5 minutes in and my entire team has already given up

[mighty pivot]

cyka healer

[wintry solar]

Do we still have to vote if one person leaves?

[mighty pivot]

if one leaves and they abandon you can leave

[red zinc]

ffp1

[wintry solar]

Amazing system

Surely this will be an accurate representation of the average player

[vestal notch]

leader kicks you from group mid key

[red zinc]

We will be flaming people that dont forfeit after the first pull extra hard with this one

[mighty pivot]

hostage situations will definitely happen

[keen belfry]

gg

[random stirrup]

click yes or i run it down

[wintry solar]

I will be forcing my group through the key with 50+ deaths

[covert heart]

Honestly not sure if anyone feels this way I don't care if someone has that leaver rebuff on em. Like the key was prob dead and they left

[red zinc]

You look like a 50yo english teacher

[wintry solar]

Lest you will be labeled a deserter

[keen belfry]

Class dismissed.

[red zinc]

[mighty pivot]

what kind of teachers did you have

[sudden fulcrum]

it won't matter because there are always 50 people applying to any key and there's no reason to choose someone that is a deserter

[red zinc]

i mean disregard the weapons

[sudden fulcrum]

like why even take a chance

[red zinc]

All english teachers had like

[keen belfry]

the 2 coats they added this tier

[red zinc]

black long clothing black hair

[keen belfry]

absolutely goated

[mighty pivot]

and a blindfold?

[glass mortar]

ur absolutely goated

😠

[red zinc]

wrong

[keen belfry]

ty lil bro

[covert heart]

Unless they are higher io/just better player. Id just invite them anyways

[red zinc]

Awang is #3 on the list

[glass mortar]

awang is in my top 50 outlaw list

[covert heart]

I feel it only really affects the wme crowd

[glass mortar]

hes made huge gains these last few weeks

[covert kestrel]

I can't wait for weran to drop his list

That's real content

[red zinc]

can I be in the middle due to my age potential

[keen belfry]

on the list of top 3 goated gots? descending order yeah?

[red zinc]

You a gost (greatest of some times)

[keen belfry]

lfg

[red zinc]

said time being when you did that ml (nobody else playing at that time)

[proven ocean]

And the tea

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-the-tea-gif-16548046099436591765

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-of-truth-horse-of-agreement-horse-horse-agree-agree-gif-12047072666965428527

[snow socket]

I think it does but it still has so many options i was wondering if I'm on the proper setting

[keen belfry]

blizz cucking me

why does my rogue have this ring in vault i havent even killed OAB?

[random stirrup]

you killed mugzee or gally

so it unlocks all loot from bosses before them

[keen belfry]

oh shit thats op

i thought you had to kill that boss to get it

[covert kestrel]

nah cause ppl were skipping bosses to limit their loot pool to things they needed back in the day

[quaint mauve]

steven here

[stuck sparrow]

bfa coats better

[keen belfry]

me when i lie

right guyhs?

[stuck sparrow]

i mean the best outlaw mog is plunderstorm set

with the rapiers from magetower

[wintry solar]

It's the mythic dungeon set from bfa

Red black and gold

[quaint mauve]

i have the yellow one with the yellow summer bikini and it’s so nice

[mighty pivot]

the magetower rapiers are too big imo

[stuck sparrow]

have you seen the boots on those

https://tenor.com/view/whatarethose-shoes-gif-4488681

[wintry solar]

Yeah

They're good

[stuck sparrow]

too chunky

[wintry solar]

They're boots

Who wears slim boots?

[stuck sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[mighty pivot]

how is that copium

[stuck sparrow]

name a better rapier

[quaint mauve]

why r we using rapiers

all of em are too big

and look weird

[stuck sparrow]

idk pirates

yk

[mighty pivot]

dunno about rapiers, I use daelin's saber which is a bit more normal sized

[quaint mauve]

pirates used cutlasses

rapiers r for dorks

[stuck sparrow]

ngl the greens ones are better

on this front

[teal wing]

psf table thing fixxed?

[vestal notch]

whats the color from it?

[stuck sparrow]

red

well theres 3

red is best one though

[vestal notch]

i like antorus one

[mighty pivot]

look how big the artifact rapiers are in comparison to the sabers

[vestal notch]

just hate that the boots are on fashion week

[stuck sparrow]

mythic boots?

[quaint mauve]

one of my words isn’t tmogged sadge

[vestal notch]

the revendreth rapiers are pretty cool tho

[stuck sparrow]

was a bit weird since the elite had boots forever

[vestal notch]

yes -.-

[stuck sparrow]

Idk the purple color is better imo

[vestal notch]

i generaly like darker colors for rogue

[red zinc]

When are we finallly getting a tapir mount in wow

I need one

[stuck sparrow]

This version had boots since release

[quaint mauve]

i want a black plunderstorm set

[mighty pivot]

yeah they are ok, the dockyard cutlass is also nice but it does go towards the "too big" limit

[quaint mauve]

and not the gray purple one

that’s not black

[stuck sparrow]

Blizz barely makes true black sets

in this game

[teal wing]

psf table thing fixxed?

[quaint mauve]

idk why tho

[stuck sparrow]

Like i think the tuxedo pants

are one of the few truly black items?

[red zinc]

like bro

[keen belfry]

i spent 90k on the tux pants this morning

[red zinc]

imagine riding around on this

kinda lit

[quaint mauve]

doesn’t matter tho once i buy t3 ima only be using that

[stuck sparrow]

You know my biggest beef with people who use the darkfuse coat

90% of them use boots that make the set look like

you're walking around in socks

[keen belfry]

here

do you want me to get bigger boots

[stuck sparrow]

What is that belt

💀

[keen belfry]

im messing with belts idk what to do

[red zinc]

cant wait to get that new campsite

i will not be logging into wow ever again after getting that one

just staring into the hole

what is this

[vivid vessel]

tf

so cool

[red zinc]

6month sub mount

just like

idk what its supposed to be

[keen belfry]

aint that that one elden ring boss

[red zinc]

I feel like the 6month mounts usually got something to do with the season / holiday / expansion

[keen belfry]

mailkathg or whatever

[red zinc]

i dont see what this one is

[random stirrup]

bro said maliketh 💀

[red zinc]

looks like iridikron but skinned onto one of those venthyr gargons

like wadahell

[keen belfry]

isnt that maliketh right tehre rlydd

[red zinc]

maliketh is white

[keen belfry]

gold maliketh

[random stirrup]

he dont have wings cuh

[quiet root]

the character window has the wa's ruleset name in the top left, at least if you are using default blizz ui

[keen belfry]

sure cuh sure

[red zinc]

yet another conspiracy theory angle

mount teasing iridikron in season 1

yippee

[keen belfry]

why cant you make swords sheathe on back

any sword that sheats on back is +100%

[stuck sparrow]

The best swords already do

[tight kernel]

Anyone running charged bolts?

[keen belfry]

some do some dont

[tight kernel]

or is it still between crit chains and charged crystal

[keen belfry]

the best swords are the best swords cause they sheathe on back

many other swords would be bis if sheathe on back

[stuck sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=118405/shifting-felblade

I didn't stutter

[keen belfry]

shitting felblade

[stuck sparrow]

I say dwarf looks good

then proceed to use a recalibrator on cd

truly the biggest copium

[keen belfry]

dwarf ugly sadly

if i could just play night elf

id be so happy

[covert kestrel]

i recalibrate exclusively to kul tiran male or mechagnome

[covert heart]

Gotta be a night elf for the culture

[wintry solar]

Ew

[latent belfry]

only good elf is blood

[red zinc]

racials gone in wow 2 after last titan

i think

[keen belfry]

dwarf just so op man

[covert heart]

Plus i still like using shadowmeld during trash to get a free stealth

[red zinc]

i feel like dwarf is more dps than nelf

still

and also has op ass racial on top of it

[keen belfry]

its more dps with an actual op racial

[red zinc]

nelf is a valid choice though

i think we'll get a dwarf pot next xpac at this rate

[stuck sparrow]

belf is just velf without transmog discount

[covert heart]

I like shadowmeld because I pug with a lot of tanks who do the worst chain pulls so I can atleast restealth every now and then

[covert kestrel]

imagine not being goblin so you can craft to 18.2% haste

[keen belfry]

i want to be nelf so bad

[red zinc]

like if we ever get a season with mandatory bleed dispells (like uldaman or something or other) we will get a dwarf pot the following season

[keen belfry]

nelf or human are best models

[wintry solar]

Warr has just about every racial in its toolkit btw

[red zinc]

bro

[vestal notch]

best race is undead

[red zinc]

imagine doing uldaman without aug or dwarfs

[covert heart]

Fuck that dungeon

[wintry solar]

I did it just fine

[red zinc]

whats like

[vestal notch]

imagine not unsubscribing when uldaman is back

[red zinc]

top 3 worst dungeons

lets see if we can make a consensus

[vestal notch]

spires of ascension and uldaman

my top 2

[stuck sparrow]

I mean the top 3 offender races rn for imba

[red zinc]

spires of ascension gotta be up there yeah

[vestal notch]

worst dungeons

[stuck sparrow]

are nelf dwarf and maghar

arent they

[red zinc]

vortex pinnacle?

[covert heart]

I hate sd but I was a healer for a long time

[red zinc]

sanguine is a good dungeon but divisive

[vestal notch]

maghar is whatever tho, its just dmg, not utility