outlaw

[vapid sundial]

Leave them with nothing

[agile orchid]

go play ret paladin

[finite arch]

EW has anyone seen the new KS animation for 11.2

Its so fucking ass

[vapid sundial]

Yes lol

It's bad

[finite arch]

I just saw it

[stiff hawk]

REAL

[red zinc]

If outlaw had to get gutted for a season for ret to suffer the same fate i’d take that deal

[finite arch]

Wtf is this shit

[red zinc]

🏄‍♂️

[vapid sundial]

What's the term again

[stiff hawk]

Delete Ret

[vapid sundial]

Where they give you what you want

But in the worst way possible

[agile orchid]

monkey paw?

[stiff hawk]

Ye

[vapid sundial]

Ye

Outlaw is curled

Fr

[wintry solar]

Smf

Best example ever

[red zinc]

Its a well known phenomenon

[vapid sundial]

Sniff my feet?

[red zinc]

If you ask for shit in class discords blizzard will always pick the least spoken about worst idea

[vapid sundial]

What is smf

[wintry solar]

Single Minded Fury

[crisp condor]

Fury Warrior dual wield 1h talent instead of dual wield 2h

Been shit since its inception

[vapid sundial]

It's why I'm waiting on fellowship

Just gonna enjoy my m+ game

[wintry solar]

People just wanted to mog 2h into 1h

But got smf instead

[red zinc]

Poop class design

[agile orchid]

only thing I don't like about fellowship is that you are playing a premade character

[stiff hawk]

i mean we also want to trasnmog adgger into 1h

[agile orchid]

like you're playing league

[wintry solar]

I wonder if weapon speed is preventing them

[wintry solar]

GET OUT OF MY DK SERVER

[vapid sundial]

I can't go into more about it for obvious reasons but that's like the only drawback imo

[agile orchid]

no idea what the obvious reasons are

are you a dev or something

[finite arch]

KS buffs for 11.2 are nice but my god that animation is god aweful

[frank finch]

how dare you

[vapid sundial]

Signed the funny

[finite arch]

Went from rping britain to rping in US

[red zinc]

Shouldve made us blink around uncontrollably so we couldnt see the animation

oh wait

[vapid sundial]

It doesn't matter man

It's still ass

[finite arch]

You mean you dont want to use KS on mythic sprocket?

[stiff hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif

[tidal sequoia]

you can use it, just ask jesus to take a wheel

[finite arch]

[frank finch]

[tidal sequoia]

the*

[agile orchid]

Ngl I love this gunslinger fantasy for outlaw

Now they can bring back acrobatic strikes for lore reasons

[finite arch]

Death from above should he a pve talent

[vapid sundial]

tbh

bring old KS back

and it rolls scaling with your mastery

[stiff hawk]

FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT DFA

[vapid sundial]

if it hits you insta kill whatever you are hitting

[stiff hawk]

IT WAS A SHIT A ABILITY
LIKE KS

[vapid sundial]

if it doesnt you just die

raid boss or not

[red zinc]

Naw DFA would glitch you into ceilings

Crazy skip tech there for sure

[vapid sundial]

oh no step orc

im stuck

[stiff hawk]

Like i would rather have Cannonball Barrage

than DFA

Which is again

Just Secret Technique OR Coup de Grace

literally

[finite arch]

[vapid sundial]

https://d1lss44hh2trtw.cloudfront.net/resize?type=webp&url=https%3A%2F%2Fshacknews-www.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fassets%2Feditorial%2F2022%2F07%2Fdestiny-2-dfa-god-roll-pvp.JPG&width=986&sign=SCEs3WDKQAu4xiwn5j7Vk-j3aSla1WjxHmRZf3o4Jok

[stiff hawk]

Destiny Gamer

[vapid sundial]

Not anymore

[finite arch]

DFA should replace KS

[vapid sundial]

They lost me once they killed it for marathon

and marathon is doa

gg

[crude flower]

Small indie company

[finite arch]

Devastating 2 part attack

[stiff hawk]

Bro literally just ragebating now

[finite arch]

Its in the tooltip!

Its a devastating attack

[vapid sundial]

How about instead of DFA we get DFL

death from love

[tidal sequoia]

they replaced it with sub spec

[vapid sundial]

cuz im gonna kiss u

[stiff hawk]

I would love to

[crude flower]

Turns outlaw into a healing spec

[stiff hawk]

do it

pls

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kiss-cock-mrekk-vaxei-whitefcat-gif-20435871

[finite arch]

They should make outlaw have a pure range spec eith pistols

[stiff hawk]

[tidal sequoia]

its caled Secret Technique, sub has it\

[stiff hawk]

Bro literally only trying to ragebait now

[finite arch]

[stiff hawk]

cba

[crude flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/882305075891044382/1354600225792065546/image.png?ex=6876e645&is=687594c5&hm=c8c11e6987b44e9ec87edd48bb4d70c4efc4e9a27c3a461ed92c3a0be248ee1c&

[finite arch]

[crude flower]

Ok bait or not
They should do more stuff with the pistol for outlaw

Like make it ricochet or some shit that would be cool

[wintry solar]

This gets suggested so often I completely glossed over it

[vapid sundial]

Fr

basically

bm hunter

but 3x the button presses

frfr

[finite arch]

Would be cool, pistol shot, between the eyes

Its basically ret

With the 'press wings , final reckoning

Divine storm rinse and repeat

[vapid sundial]

If you ever

[crude flower]

I lose my rats and gain an extra pistol

[vapid sundial]

compare outlaw to ret like that again

you are getting banned

i will personally see to it

[finite arch]

[vapid sundial]

to become a green name

just to ban you

[crude flower]

Why don’t I just give my rats pistols at that point though

[vapid sundial]

tbh we should get moroes with a new function

auto bans anyone in the paladin discord

[stiff hawk]

DONT GET RAGEBAITED

RYKER

ITS ALWAYS THE LEAFY GUYS

Fucking hell

[vapid sundial]

but im being serious

new moroes tech

in whatever the pala discord is = ban

[crude flower]

My fucking goo brain thought you meant like

Moroes being an in game talent or something

Like he comes in and shoots people for you or some shit as a talent XD

[vapid sundial]

moroes should have a perma roulette

if you survive it u get 1 ban avoid

[wintry solar]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[finite arch]

Outlaw should have a russian roulette talent

[wintry solar]

We just got rid of one

[finite arch]

You crit yourself or the boss

[vapid sundial]

We literally had that

basically

[finite arch]

When

[wintry solar]

Ks

[civic zephyr]

LMAO

[finite arch]

[vapid sundial]

we also had dread blades

[civic zephyr]

KS is a roulette tbh

[finite arch]

Thats a good one

[wintry solar]

Love me dreadblades

Builder spender builder spender peak gameplay

Not peak enough to play sub though

They could've just removed the health depletion

Idk why

Blizz

Refuses to make easy changes

[vapid sundial]

Tbh

they could learn from riot in that manner

where riot just does % nerfs for different gamemodes

so m+ and raid

they do it for pvp and raid

[wintry solar]

If gearing was instant sure

[vapid sundial]

why not m+ too

[wintry solar]

I don't like specs playing differently than how they're designed

[vapid sundial]

that doesnt cause that

[crude flower]

Because like 2 people are probably left working at bliz

They are trying to make the small indie company joke a reality

[vapid sundial]

what are you talking about

[wintry solar]

It's happening in pvp

As we speak

[vapid sundial]

thats bc pvp combat is different

than pve

stats drs etc

throw random vers onto mobs and itll change

[vivid vessel]

nimble is mult ye

i wish it was additive

Wait why do I wish that

It would be better right

Yes

20% bf

[civic zephyr]

nimble is 25% bladeflurry dmg?

[vivid vessel]

Nvm

[mighty pivot]

nimble would be broken if it was additive

[vivid vessel]

Mult is better

Or

I have bf at 50%

If it's 20% add it'd 70%

But it'd mult

So it's 50 *1.2

[mighty pivot]

it's 25% so it would be 75%

instead of 62.5

[vivid vessel]

Yes right

Oh well

Make it additive

[mighty pivot]

factor in PC and GM and it would get waaaay too good on 2 targets

[civic zephyr]

okay but softcap flurry and leave nimble as it is LMAO

[vapid sundial]

multi is sometimes better sometimes worse

depends how big ur starting is

thats all

gg

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc it's gm btw

[finite arch]

Nice 17 halls

I want to be like you when i grow up

Pro outlaw

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

Proutlaw

[red zinc]

Yeah i figured that out somewhere earlier too

dont know why i thought it was nimble

[civic zephyr]

i still think softcapping flurry with a slightly larger damage reduction beyond 8 targets would help with the state of the spec currently, kinda sad that every class in the game has some form of uncapped, or fully aoe ability, and our only one is hardcapped to 8, which was cool to deal with when our prio damage was great, but now even thats dying off cos of ks changes making it random aoe, idk blizz smells

[wintry solar]

My eyes

[civic zephyr]

so fluffy :o

[frank finch]

shindig sandbagging outlaw on ptr

we are on schedule

[finite arch]

I think outlaw should have unxapped bf for 1 season

Just 1

It will be a good season

[mighty pivot]

face -> belly

[vivid vessel]

How much damage is he doing

Big or

[junior coral]

I’m guessing the KS buff didn’t change the state of outlaw very much? Was really hoping outlaw was giving off DF S3 vibes…

[vivid vessel]

No

I would settle for a tww s2

But we are not there yet

[fluid iron]

id settle of a tomb sub rogue

im not asking for much

just a complete rework

[wintry solar]

Honestly yeah

I'm in a #rework mood

[red zinc]

Would this seasons power level without suicidal ks not be equal/better than s3

Doing immense damage rn

[vivid vessel]

No

It's less

In S3 df we didn't play with raid buffs

[wintry solar]

Why is everything you type peak?

[vivid vessel]

Imagine if we played S3 df outlaw in current comps

In S3 we played outlaw in no buffs comp

And it did the same damage as now

With full buffs

[fluid iron]

im just born this way i cant help it

[frank finch]

perma 3rd always 1m plus dps behind

buffs incoming cant wait

[finite arch]

Are all outlaw players haters of blizzard?

I think i am

Mainly cause they are not bringing back bfa classic

[mighty pivot]

[vivid vessel]

You should see the st

You aren't competing with the other DPS in st

Rather competing with the tank

[inland acorn]

Could be worse

You could compete with healers

But that's planned for next season

[finite arch]

Disc be outdpsing outlaw

Outlaw'd from the dps meter

[frank finch]

unlucky

[umbral pivot]

Damn outlaw is gonna be that bad next season?

[finite arch]

I want to just press 'divine storm'

[vapid blaze]

nice class

[wintry solar]

I hate their actions but I'll admit when they do good.

[frank finch]

fdk out here maintaing 5m dps st

[finite arch]

I bet youre not even outlaw

[balmy topaz]

I wish IO could say he was lying

I think we get 10% aura buff

Easy

[frank finch]

excuse me im a outlaw otp

[finite arch]

After ks animation change we lost that

[frank finch]

and tomelvis is my god

[finite arch]

Based

[finite arch]

!!!!!

Youre one od us

[vapid blaze]

give me back old ks over this tbh

[finite arch]

I have tomelvis armoury opened on my second screen 24/7

[frank finch]

@vivid vessel that 99 would kill my OCD

ugly as fuck

[rain estuary]

so we get a season having to play with suicide roulette and then get a season with garbage tuning ? Ty Blizzard

[balmy topaz]

Don't even have him on your friendlist smh

[finite arch]

You cheated

@zac if i sub to your twitch can i get a friend invite??

[vivid vessel]

impossible to get r1 i gave up

[finite arch]

[vivid vessel]

but idc cause the avg is still 100

owned

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

friend only cuh

[frank finch]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[finite arch]

[balmy topaz]

Zac are you PTRing today?

[vivid vessel]

ye tonight sure

if its not down ?

i think they took it donw

[finite arch]

Im praying for mug zee fist after reset

[balmy topaz]

It's up rn

they did tuning ln

Just not rogue tuning....

[grim spear]

[vivid vessel]

Ok

Well I have nothing else to do

So ye

Probably will prr

My whole team is in holidays for like 2 weeks so

[balmy topaz]

Ahh rip

I may PTR idk

[vivid vessel]

Ptr is locked to 3 dungeons tho so it's a bit

Uh

Ye

[balmy topaz]

O

wtf

[finite arch]

Newmain??

Time to roll the dice

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel show me your raid parse so far in the season

are you r1 ?

[desert tendon]

lmao

what a loser

bozo too old for outlaw now

he s rusty asf

[finite arch]

[vivid vessel]

Lol

[desert tendon]

fully washed up dawg

"blablabla i will be R1 all bosses but stix blablabla i m zac blablabla i m too good blablabla"

only talking not doing. Bro an actor. Absolute cinema zac

[vivid vessel]

I mean I almost did tho

[desert tendon]

tbr

you did

[vivid vessel]

At some point I also had them all simultaneously

Was cool

But with the raid buff thing

Every week

[desert tendon]

when you were the only outlaw in raid cuz other rogue were still stuck on assa prog

[vivid vessel]

It's too much

[desert tendon]

yea i disliked this mecanic

how much is the buff now?

[vivid vessel]

What ?

[desert tendon]

36% or so?

[vivid vessel]

I did it every week

For months

Until .7 when we stopped reclearing full

I don't even have my raid buff

[grim spear]

18%

I didn’t like it either.

Before 11.0, there was a raid leader who wrote a long post saying that raids no longer had that kind of magic

kill a boss, get stronger gear, become stronger, and then kill an even stronger boss, and so on.

In response, blz added a collectible item buff mechanic in the palace, and then in undermine they just baked it into renown

tbh I don’t see how any of that brings back “that kind of magic.”

[civic zephyr]

as a mediocre at best player, with no previous outlaw knowledge since beggining the game, and only playing a little here and there for the last couple weeks, what should my AR uptime be in keys?

[vapid blaze]

that also is some weird cope from old people

[wintry solar]

When you put it like that, probably 70%

Though it should be a lot higher

[civic zephyr]

Okay thats a good starting point for me to work on and improve from there

Thats literally all i needed, ty ty <3

[wintry solar]

You're welcome

[civic zephyr]

Im new to outlaw entirely, and learning base things to improve on makes it less daunting than being like “you need 89% or more or get off the spec”

[wintry solar]

Get the basics first yeah

[civic zephyr]

Like a nice starting point to learn to maintain, then work on the things that maximise that further

[civic zephyr]

Yis exactly

[wintry solar]

But

You need to up it pronto

[novel socket]

in my prog we skipped the last phase of every single boss from sprocket and onwards

renown buff and turbo cucked the raid

completely

and that's on top of the raid being easier than past ones in general

[grim spear]

tbh I think you should just keep hitting the dummy until you’re at 90%+

Outlaw is largely just about muscle memory

[wintry solar]

Trial by fire Saph, let it rip.

[civic zephyr]

YESSIR o7

[grim spear]

if you’re not doing high keys, you don’t really need to worry about what’s coming next, what mechanics the mobs have, or how the tank is pulling. Just focus on doing your thing.

I mean, practicing in keys isn’t all that different from hitting a target dummy

so just doing dummy

[covert kestrel]

Go to dummies for 10hrs and get 95% AR uptime

[grim spear]

like, one hour a day

[civic zephyr]

10 hours? ive already been awake for 24 </3 rahhhh

[wintry solar]

RAHHHH

I love this guy

[covert kestrel]

What is it with these cooked ass sleep schedules from people

[wintry solar]

I work nights

[civic zephyr]

insomnia and crackhead adhd energy go BRRRRR

[wintry solar]

And I have a caffeine addiction

Only time I feel happy

[covert kestrel]

Go walk 15,000 steps

Then you will be better outlaw

[civic zephyr]

AIGHT BRB

[wintry solar]

Gonna macro "Guns guns guns" to vanish

Like how C-130 gunners say it

[desert tendon]

it just killed parsing to me, which was already pretty much dead with the way padding became a thing for lot of classes in modern raid

now you have a dmg buff every week or 2 i dont remember i dont play the game anymore, and raid nerfs, and also a random ilvl bump mid season

[finite arch]

What are the odds you get tb 3rolls in a row

[desert tendon]

i like the renown thing tho, being able to get some QoL later in the season. But also it s a bit frustrating to know that you ll get X or Y later and for now you ll just suffer

[grim spear]

Maybe Blizzard sees M+ as the new parsing system.

[gaunt phoenix]

18% chance to get 1 buff, so 3% chance it is just tb

[finite arch]

Isnt parsing primarily timing related?

[desert tendon]

not only

it helps a lot but it s not 100% of the work here

you ll also need a guild that let you shine by not pressing a single aoe ability

[finite arch]

Speaking of which i should really find a guild that does any form of content

[desert tendon]

i stopped caring about parses in df S1

when on eranog

[finite arch]

My guild says they are a pve focused guild but all they do is afk in dornogal and smoke weed

[civic zephyr]

imma chill in a aotc/early mythic guild til i get back into the game fully for now

[desert tendon]

our devoker (who was rank 1 devoker) decided to be houdini and made every adds spawn disappear insta

[civic zephyr]

then maybe try go back to a mythic raiding guild potentially

[desert tendon]

that s wow pve in 2025

[finite arch]

I swear its like larping a moonguard server

[desert tendon]

on sennarth i was r2 or r3 outlaw, then i joined this guild and our devoker made me understand that i ll never be able to parse

i couldnt flurry a single spider

[finite arch]

Never heard of sennarth is that an eu realm?

[desert tendon]

was the spider boss

S1 DF

[finite arch]

Oh lol

[shell basalt]

Outlaws looking good into s3 atm right?

[finite arch]

I got ksm in df s1 and i dont even know wtf is a sennarth HAHAHAHAHA

Wait thats the raid

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[desert tendon]

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/npc=187967/sennarth

[finite arch]

I killed that on mythic and idk wtf that is smooth brain

[gaunt phoenix]

questionable

[desert tendon]

i cant even wowhead anymore with adblock

gg

[civic zephyr]

good to laugh at maybe

[finite arch]

Outlaw is good

If youre tomelvis

[shell basalt]

Better than assa right?

[civic zephyr]

click "continue with addblock" in small at the bottom

[finite arch]

If nor its bad

[civic zephyr]

im not tomelvis

[finite arch]

Then outlaw bad

[civic zephyr]

rip me

[finite arch]

Nah

[desert tendon]

yea i figured it out but fk the new chrome protocole

ads everywhere

[civic zephyr]

outlaw is looking rather scuffed rn in s3

[civic zephyr]

but we still have a few more weeks for blizz to make us turbo pog

[desert tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078336798675189780/1393737550878740491/image.png?ex=68778e7e&is=68763cfe&hm=73858694f0e13d9d2a486dac89308c218afb1019937e51e6ae34f95eceba9d83&

that s a 2h youtube video

[civic zephyr]

rip tomelvis

[desert tendon]

fk taht

[finite arch]

[civic zephyr]

HELL NAH

[desert tendon]

like wtf

the worst is on twitch tbh

everytime i swap stream

i get a 30s ads

fucking preroll killing twitch i swear

[finite arch]

Just sub to zac

[desert tendon]

i dont sub to bad players sorry

i m only sub to zero

[finite arch]

[desert tendon]

[finite arch]

What about shindig

[wintry solar]

Just get prime

[desert tendon]

just get that just get this

i m bored of having 140218414 subscription

every month

for everything

[wintry solar]

I only have prime

Is nice

[desert tendon]

also have a mobile thing

internet thing

and other stuff

[finite arch]

You should sub to nord vpn

[desert tendon]

ykwim

nordvpn

[wintry solar]

WoW sub is just a bill to me

Like power and water

[desert tendon]

glad i cut off that one

[sweet iron]

ad block is free thank god

https://tenor.com/view/cat-broken-cat-cat-drinking-cat-licking-cat-air-gif-20661740

[wintry solar]

Fr

[finite arch]

Does adblock work for twitch?

[desert tendon]

it probably will be a paid sub soon

[finite arch]

No way right?

[wintry solar]

Ublock main

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[desert tendon]

depends

[wintry solar]

I think so?

[desert tendon]

of your region

basically

[wintry solar]

It's either my prime or my adblock

[desert tendon]

because of the new internet protocole they re pushing

in like 2 years at most

[wintry solar]

But I need to use twitch prime which I never do

[desert tendon]

no more adblockers should be working

[desert tendon]

my channel accept any left over primes if anything

😳

[wintry solar]

Maybe

[vivid vessel]

Can't believe this happened

[toxic star]

yes

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

I'm still looking for an adblokc that works on twitch

[finite arch]

Cutting zac out of his ad rev

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't for me on brave

Maybe it's my bad for being on brave

[vivid vessel]

I already am running as little ads as I can

[toxic star]

thats correct 😛

ublock works on twitch just fine

[covert kestrel]

I sub to zac so I'm Gucci

[vapid blaze]

i feel like ublock works most of the time

except opening adds (when you switch to a channel first)

[toxic star]

works on those too

[opal raven]

one of these gotta work cuz i get no ads on twitch gl

[civic zephyr]

Someone else paid my sub to zac so im chilling

[balmy topaz]

I LOVE WHEN I DONT GET MY BUFF

[gaunt phoenix]

dudu buiff

[balmy topaz]

Gotta love dudu buff

[olive beacon]

Hellow everyone new outlaw here, anyone have a resource that lists M+ mechanics that evasion can be used for?

I've jsut been watching Zacs videos but it all moves so fast I can't tell what the intended mechnic to dodge is

[balmy topaz]

@sacred rune Sorry to @, I know you had something for atrophic before with like what works and doesn't with it, do you have something similar with Evasion?

[toxic star]

delete adblock, that one is fake

use ublock and ublock only

actually nvm all of these are fake

[sacred rune]

!atro

[ornate heath]

Atrophic poison/feint in Raid: > Click to open Sheet <

[balmy topaz]

!evasion

[fluid iron]

book of shadows was discontinued

since nobody wanted to keep it up

[balmy topaz]

Not but most physical things like whirlwind on ToP mini boss can be used for it

[balmy topaz]

Can we not like bully zac

into doing it

[balmy topaz]

Thank you Fuu

[sacred rune]

no problem, evasion is tricky as they often change it

[vivid vessel]

I think it's cause I'm on brave

Nothing works for twitch on that one idk

[sacred rune]

try the "alternative twitch player" extension

[vivid vessel]

Evasion works on litteraly nothing so

[sacred rune]

also i would not recommend using brave, the company is very shady

[balmy topaz]

I see you've used in ToP Whirlwing guy

[verbal pike]

There's a greasemonkey extension that blocks them

[balmy topaz]

Not really sure whatelse tbh

[sacred rune]

i use ublock and twitch player

and have no adds

[toxic star]

no adds is bad for the overall though

[vivid vessel]

Twitch ads are predatory so

Idk

I'm all for ads like

You know if you watch league tournaments

You have embedded ads

[toxic star]

thats your first mistake tbf

rotationally

[balmy topaz]

Yeah it’s kinda cursed

[vivid vessel]

No it's not ?

That's my point

You don't even notice them

On twitch you legit have 1min 30 ads

Your stream is just gone

Idk

It's cringe

[vivid vessel]

Ok it works on one thing this season I guess

Let me think if there is anything else

Ye the shooters in priory

[toxic star]

last boss cinderbrew the intermission?

or is it only phys

[vivid vessel]

Nah

[balmy topaz]

There have been some seasons where evasion is like goated

[vivid vessel]

Evasion is physical but also it needs to be some sort of projectile thing idk

Or whatever

[balmy topaz]

then some where is ass

[vivid vessel]

Idk how evasion works honestly

It can't be just random physical damage

[toxic star]

throw chair?

[opal raven]

the ground aoe from the dfc overseer too i think ?

[vivid vessel]

Throw chair!

Shits op

On that

Very good

[toxic star]

so its any non aoe physical damage inflicting projectile

there should be plenty tbh

[vivid vessel]

No that's vanish

[balmy topaz]

It works on the floodgate mobs as well

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[balmy topaz]

ther spinny fuckers

[vivid vessel]

Usually all the darts shoots etc

Ye the spinners in flood

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

And the shoots in flood

And the shoot from the architect

[balmy topaz]

ohh and the rtoot

[toxic star]

intermission add damage last boss motherlode

[balmy topaz]

ye the bolt thing

[toxic star]

throw rock

grease gun

echo blade

[vivid vessel]

But ye that's just the shoots things

I think he wanted all the cheesy things

Which

Idk

[balmy topaz]

does it work on this

I haven't tried

[vivid vessel]

Yes !

[balmy topaz]

Ohh sick

[vivid vessel]

Ok good

This one a cheese thing

I accept

[balmy topaz]

So basically

If he do this

and you wanna KS

[vivid vessel]

I don't think so

[balmy topaz]

just press evasion

Nice

[civic zephyr]

pop evasion send full cp KS and enjoy

[vivid vessel]

Idk what's grease gun and throw rock tho

[toxic star]

throw rock is around 1st boss ML the random stones you get thrown

grease gun is random targeted phys dam by the drillers/mecha jokeys

[vivid vessel]

Uh

Is that ml

[opal raven]

in dfc too Lowly Moleherd

[toxic star]

ya

[vivid vessel]

Who tf are the drillers

[toxic star]

you know the azerite extractors

when you kill them their driver spawns

[vivid vessel]

Oh ye dfc frontal from first boss you can evasion that one

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[toxic star]

flying peck 1st pull mechagon

[vivid vessel]

I thought these guys were legit afk

[toxic star]

they have no animation and the projectile is instant

[vivid vessel]

Oh well

[toxic star]

but its like a 5m hit on 20

[vivid vessel]

Never noticed

[toxic star]

mechadrone shoot in floodgate

[vivid vessel]

I might have been trolling if that one works

[toxic star]

Nailed should work too

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pjhcfDQ641T2wM9t?fight=23&type=damage-taken&source=8&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24expression%24ability.type+%3D+1 just looking at whats a targeted spell here eg

[vivid vessel]

Ye these works

[balmy topaz]

But this season in general compared to others

[vivid vessel]

All the shoots type things works usually

[balmy topaz]

Evasion is pretty low

[vivid vessel]

It's low in term of cheesy stuffs

[balmy topaz]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Like AOEs you can evasion

Oh ye you can evasion the AOE from shaynmail dude in priory

[toxic star]

thats odd

[vivid vessel]

Idk

In the past

Everytime you had a brown circle originating from a dude

We could evasion it

It has changed a little bit

We have less now

[toxic star]

would be a list of evasionable things be interesting in the same vein as https://gerritalex.de/blog/tww-s3-zephyr

[vivid vessel]

For sure

We used to have that

But no one wanted to maintain it

[toxic star]

should be able to autogenerate

is physical + is not aoe

[vivid vessel]

You can evasion the AOE from shard of halkias next season

Which is kinda op

[vivid vessel]

Oh well sorry

[glass mortar]

dont think u can auto generate an evasionable list LMAO

[vivid vessel]

Haha

[glass mortar]

not consistent enough for that

[vivid vessel]

Maybe you can idk

[glass mortar]

u could probably catch a large portion of the effects

[toxic star]

well special cases that work when they shouldn't would need maintenance ofc

[glass mortar]

about half the effects each season u can evasion make no sense tho

[toxic star]

thrash shouldn't work yeah

[glass mortar]

like mines on first boss workshop

[vivid vessel]

oh ye

that one

[glass mortar]

but only while facing the tank!

dont question it

[toxic star]

ok scratched

[glass mortar]

very funny stuffs, nobody is knocking u if u wanna try to do it tho

just something to keep in mind is alot of these effects r inconsistent and need to actually be directly tested to know

thats what +10s week is for

[toxic star]

maybe if I really settle for the spec next patch

[vivid vessel]

i dont think im crazy weran

[glass mortar]

when ur floor PoV and you type "limit testing"

[vivid vessel]

this is mail boss in streets

you used to be able to evasion that no?

[toxic star]

because atm I'm still criminally underpressing evasion

[glass mortar]

idr tbh

sounds like something ucould do

but its a group soak so kinda op if u can no?

[vivid vessel]

you could evasion these in ara, which you prolly still can, they just have no casts anymore

[vivid vessel]

ye

but im sure you could

but i died trying

you cant evasion these in gambit

which like

you should

right

[toxic star]

yea that's aoe

[vivid vessel]

hm

[toxic star]

no anything with a radius is aoe

[vivid vessel]

ok but why can you evasion this

but not this

[toxic star]

yea those dont make sense

have you tried locust swarm in ara kara

because that one isnt aoe 🙂

nvm isnt phys ig

[vivid vessel]

ye dont think it worked

[torpid fiber]

You definitely could

If they patched that that's gigacringe

What's the point of evasion if we can't use it on anything that matters

[vivid vessel]

you cant cloak it either

[torpid fiber]

Yeah bc it's phys 🙂

but not physical enough to dodge apparently!!

Just file a bug report that's what ptr is for surely they'll fix it

[wintry solar]

Huge fan of grey areas tbh

[olive beacon]

I'm just going to press evasion on CD I think

[mighty pivot]

live vs ptr. They added no dodge flags on ptr

[torpid fiber]

[balmy topaz]

Ye that’s omega cringe

[torpid fiber]

Literally just hating rogue

[balmy topaz]

If we had acro

We could hit

But Naa that’s gone as well

Blizzard actually hate us

[torpid fiber]

this is the soak not the spin no?

[balmy topaz]

Ohh ye it is

Split between all

[torpid fiber]

it was always silly we could evasion it but like also changing that is a bit fucked up

[mighty pivot]

hating on warrior too they cannot DbtS it anymore

[glass mortar]

its funny u guys assume that evasion should work on this thing and not that evasion probably shouldnt work on those other things

i'll take the freebies when i can get em

lets be real like half the stuff evasion works for makes no sense tho

its supposed to be to dodge direct attacks/ranged attacks

anytime its working on a aoe its wild

[torpid fiber]

Yeah but like also I think evasion is cool

[calm orchid]

all rogue defensives, aside from vial, are janky like that

[torpid fiber]

And feint doesn't work on a bunch of random shit it should

[balmy topaz]

Anything that I cant evasion and it loses me uptime makes me scream

[vivid vessel]

aint no wae

[torpid fiber]

If feint worked on every aoe I'd be fine with evasion not working on a bunch of aoes

[calm orchid]

feint, cloak and evasion are all a mess

[knotty abyss]

Some AoE can be parry, make sense right?

[glass mortar]

not rlly

but i assume its the same aoes we can evasion mostly

(parry and dodge pretty similar, think the only difference is dodge works on ranged attacks also)

[torpid fiber]

Imo it's intuitive when evasion works on like specifically stuff flavoured as whirlwinds

Despite them being aoe

[knotty abyss]

some can be dodge but not parry
some can be parry but not dodge

[glass mortar]

i did not know any effects could be parried but not dodged

[mighty pivot]

you mean wild as in unpredictable, or as in it shouldn't?

[knotty abyss]

there some i dont remember what it is
i press evasion to dr but take 0 dmg due to parry

[finite arch]

Just give me 2 stacks of cloak and fuck evasion tbh

[mighty pivot]

the correct way that blizzard could've taken with this mess is that dungeon journal could include trash mobs, and they could have an icon for abilities which pierce evasion/cloak

they could easily automate that with the flags

now you need to dig into every spell id's flags to be sure, or you just have to try and maybe die

[vivid vessel]

evasion is 10x better than cloak kekw

you could lose cloack and not notice

evasion is elusiveness

and you evasion every shoot in the game

[finite arch]

I use killing spree like stagger on a monk

[glass mortar]

as in it probably shouldnt

like u can evasion the big aoe physical "shout" from the guys in nokhund for example

[desert tendon]

that s what zac is made for

[glass mortar]

sorry mf am i dodgeing the wall of wind or what

[desert tendon]

we throw a list of tests at him

and we watch him fail

[glass mortar]

now i appreciate it of course

but im not gunna be greedy and be like "wow i cant believe they made this dedicated aoe everyone needs to dodge out of or core fight mechanic soak not evasionable"

except on reverb

to make something evasionable then take it away mid season is a sin

[mighty pivot]

I dunno I don't find it that weird that you can evasion a channelled whirlwind just like you can evasion a single target strike. Yes, sometimes it feels weird theme-wise but it's a fantasy game

you literally teleported on that mob 7 times in 3s, but now dodging a shout is strange

[glass mortar]

ok but 90% of these aoes are not whirlwinds

u keep saying whirlwinds and i agree it makes sense for those

whirlwind does its damage as launching a bunch of "ST" hits to each target, or used to anyway, so it was always evasionable, and they have tended to carry it forward

alot of these aoes we can dodge are not whirlwinds tho

[mighty pivot]

the only one which felt very strange was first boss of necrotic wake where you could parry its breath despite being nature

[glass mortar]

and couldnt cloak it

i mean that one was just

wild

nature damage being treated as physical somehow

[glass mortar]

you could cloak it but it had to be during the true immunity (first second) iirc

[vivid vessel]

you can tho

yes

[glass mortar]

yes i corrected it

didnt feint also not work on that thing

i guess its just not coded as an aoe despite being a frontal cone wave

idk at the end of the day it has to do with how they flag/code the damage hits ofall these aoes of course. certain flags can be dodged/parried even if it doesnt make sense for the effect

[vague cape]

Low-key, inb4 KS rework makes outlaw death statistics at the lower end higher

[vivid vessel]

nah no way

[gaunt phoenix]

why would that happen

[vague cape]

Think about it (I’m cooking here)

So

[vivid vessel]

the only time the stagger is valuable is when a hit would one shot you

[balmy topaz]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

which would be higher keys

[balmy topaz]

I’m not at pc

[vivid vessel]

not lowk yes

[vivid vessel]

im at work

[balmy topaz]

Can you send me a screenshot of how many message I have sent in RH

Fuck

[vague cape]

You’re thinking about one shots being the threat- how long has it been since you’ve played with a real shitter

[vivid vessel]

how else is the stagger useful

[gaunt phoenix]

why do you have more

[vague cape]

Low-key I think it might be safer for some players to have the 50% stagger vs being slow

[vivid vessel]

you have ptr channel

6k more

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i cant read

[vivid vessel]

ye

noob

[vivid vessel]

you are high on crack rn

[balmy topaz]

Holy

[vague cape]

Ye, admittedly this is a bored Mo on train cook

In reality it should be easier for worse players with new KS simply bc it’s longer cd

Harder to lose uses / no need to consider if it’s safe to KS

[hybrid crown]

The last teleport of KS is bugged and kills you

The stagger won't save you from that

[torpid fiber]

If a new player can't dodge stuff during ks even with our mobi tools they're not dodging it as a normal spec either

[vague cape]

Tbh you sometimes have like

0.5s to grapple

[torpid fiber]

yeah but is the slow making the difference then either

[vague cape]

An experienced outlaw sure, but average or below average rogues

RIP

[vague cape]

Wait you talking about old or new ks

New one you can just cancel out of and it’s fine, old is is a bit more cursed

[torpid fiber]

Ye I meant new one

As a counterpoint to the idea that stagger is better than slow for literally anyone doing content hard enough that they can die if they get hit by a mechanic

[vague cape]

Oh bro trust me I was just cooking

It’s burnt

[red zinc]

Nzoth in the new key art

For midnight

hes barack

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[red zinc]

The head shape

Its him cuh

http://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/news/24223661/save-the-date-for-gamescom-2025

[jolly geyser]

[red zinc]

Key art is the wrong word i guess

But they put somethin out

idk its such a random shape otherwise to put there

[late swallow]

it's not nzoth lil bro

[red zinc]

Doubt it can be much else

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure

[late swallow]

literally just smoke coming off of the void dude

[red zinc]

They love to hide lil silhouettes in things

Happened for xal in doti ending cinematic too

[gaunt phoenix]

it kinda looks like the blood elf towers

[wintry solar]

we are going back

[late swallow]

quel'danas zone rework confirmed?!?!

[wintry solar]

yeah

[late swallow]

are we going to the ghostlands?????????

can we fly in the ghostlands now???????

[red zinc]

Guh

[wintry solar]

they announced it at the saga reveal

[wintry solar]

YES

THIS IS OLD NEWS

[red zinc]

he nose

[wintry solar]

no ones nose knows more than my nose

[red zinc]

Wonder how they’ll do it though like

fully retextured / hd zones in the middle of kalimdor

Gonna feel weird asf

or well not middle

[wintry solar]

good question

[red zinc]

but adjacent

[wintry solar]

ye

I mean

[late swallow]

i love the old zones so much it's unreal

[gaunt phoenix]

Belf zones are so peak

[wintry solar]

they have that warcraft charm

[late swallow]

yeah eversong is chill

[wintry solar]

music of eversong goes hard ngl

[late swallow]

red ridge and elwynn are omega comfy tho

[sudden fulcrum]

we need old Barrens back but it's all void stuff and it heralds the return of Barrens Chat

[wintry solar]

lowkey one of my favorite questing zones

[red zinc]

new world shattering event and queldanas becomes another seperate island?

lmao

Cracks on the war within logo predicted it kappa

[proven ocean]

kush playing outlaw on PTR he's gapping the frost dk on most pulls

outlaw op?!?!?!

[red zinc]

zeross your falloff needs to be studied

[proven ocean]

@late swallow thoughts??

[late swallow]

[gaunt phoenix]

LMAO

[proven ocean]

what are u talking about

[late swallow]

new PTR build today

outlaw rework for sure

outlaw rework + quel danas rework

[agile orchid]

Didn’t we get a ptr build last night

[gaunt phoenix]

idk you should talk about something else

[wintry solar]

The burn of Ravenholdt happened at 8:57AM on July 15th, 2025.

[gaunt phoenix]

we know you are glazing outlaw

[proven ocean]

ye talk instead of me then what do u want

[wintry solar]

lets talk about how much we hate guile

[proven ocean]

im confused

[red zinc]

not like we werent

[proven ocean]

i dont see ur point timmy

[wintry solar]

why is Zeross yellow now

[red zinc]

that you just say the same thing over and over

whether its true or not you made your point

[proven ocean]

and i dont understand why you care too much about what i say

[proven ocean]

ye im not talking to you anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's just a jab

[late swallow]

i think timmy just knows that ross is an important figure in the outlaw community

so he takes ross' comments very seriously

[proven ocean]

[wintry solar]

Personally, I've been absent from Zeross' Outlaw glazing and I am interested to hear more.

[proven ocean]

same

[red zinc]

ross is the only one where i gotta explain my meme comments in excruciating detail

[civic zephyr]

have you tried baked beans? sorry it seemed to be getting heated

[red zinc]

aint that serious

[gaunt phoenix]

anyway it seems dimensius the all devouring will actually get devoured by g'huun at the end of the fight

[red zinc]

dimensus

[gaunt phoenix]

and we face g'huun'sius going into midnight

[red zinc]

[civic zephyr]

youre a g'huuner at heart

[late swallow]

g'huun has to be the worst old god

[wintry solar]

I cant believed they killed Dalaran like a dog in the street

[proven ocean]

me after trying to correct something i fked up on when i replied to someone's comment

💀

[jolly geyser]

[red zinc]

I just want true form yshaarj

One time

[wintry solar]

yall

[late swallow]

yshaarj is pretty cool for sure

[wintry solar]

I didnt think Sindragosa would be hot

[civic zephyr]

the only name im still yet to figure out how to pronounce correctly

[late swallow]

ya-shah-raj

[civic zephyr]

im pretty sure its jeff tho

[civic zephyr]

oh, i was close

[jolly geyser]

[red zinc]

YUH SHARGE

[late swallow]

ram with the craziest emotes

[jolly geyser]

bfa emotes

[civic zephyr]

ram is just here with some lewd bullshit LMAO

[gaunt phoenix]

ghuun emotes are goated

[wintry solar]

yeahhhhh imma need that server inv big dog

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

ghuuning

[daring oxide]

Dimmy's boys coming to azeroth

[gaunt phoenix]

you are late

[daring oxide]

we ready to lose against the last boss

[gaunt phoenix]

we know !

[daring oxide]

ehh

[wintry solar]

this fuckin nerd

[civic zephyr]

me after being a ghuuner

[daring oxide]

is that silvermoon behind the dimmies?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

i think

[wintry solar]

I thin

[daring oxide]

https://x.com/EchoGuild/status/1945112141884792979/photo/1

Echo (@EchoGuild)

We are SO BACK

X · Jul 15, 2025, 1:24 PM

[wintry solar]

think

[daring oxide]

nice

lets gooooooooo

[wintry solar]

yall

[daring oxide]

dimmy lives and makes babies and raids the blood elves base to make more void elves

[glass mortar]

first end boss of midnight required 6 warlock gates minimum, confirmed

[late swallow]

we already solved this shit vurai!

[glass mortar]

you fight 3 little ghuunies at once

[late swallow]

quel'danas and outlaw rework!

[gaunt phoenix]

something about bfa first tier was so hype idk

[wintry solar]

this was known when the world soul saga was announced

[daring oxide]

outlaw is getting reworked to become combat again

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it was bc world first started streaming

[red zinc]

Doubt we lose

[glass mortar]

wait ghuun would make outlaw bis in raid or

[daring oxide]

RTB replaced with bandit guile

[glass mortar]

fatebound grapple

[civic zephyr]

oh god the ghuun squad fight

[glass mortar]

finally has a use case

!

[wintry solar]

I was actually JUST hating on Bandits Guile in the pvp channel

[daring oxide]

eh then why are there mini dimmies in the picture?

[glass mortar]

soloing orbs

[red zinc]

too much other shit for them to still go through

[late swallow]

RTB empowered spell when?

[sudden fulcrum]

outlaw rework to be a more realistic pirate so we have a peg leg and scurvy

[red zinc]

Probably xalataths goons

After she double crosses

[daring oxide]

xala and dimmy have babies

dam thats kinky

[red zinc]

Not that exactly but prretty much

[wintry solar]

I think big guy explodes into little guys and those are him in pieces

[civic zephyr]

barrels and oranges + rename to gangplank incoming

[red zinc]

Gonna use dimmy energy to unleash somethin

With the datk heart

[jolly geyser]

dimmy domme

[wintry solar]

theyre deleting everything Stealth related from outlaw in midnight btw