outlaw

[lone spear]

it woulda been way better

[sudden fulcrum]

Brawler's Guild was actually sick and i would have liked more of that

[lone spear]

but again, idk if thats like a time constraint thing

dastardly duos is just a bad concept

like introducing mickey mouse powers

and random ass high score mechanic

feels like they dont get the reason why mage tower and brawlers guild are so liked is because you have to rely on what your class can do

not what gimmicks you can abuse

[wintry solar]

Brawlers Guild having bosses everyone could participate in was super cool as well

And watching others fight bosses was coop

[sudden fulcrum]

yeah! being able to spectate was sick

[wintry solar]

Unironically the best the community has ever been

Everyone giving advice and stuff

Also the gold gambling

[neat heart]

What ilvl do you need for 12/13s

[lime lake]

sitting in brawlers guild watching people get fucked up by a crocodile

good times

[sudden fulcrum]

that depends on your skill level really, and what does "need" mean? to time it? you can totally be carried

if you want to get into a stranger's pug you probably need to be really overqualified

[neat heart]

Pretty much to get invited to a group

[lime lake]

690 at least

[sudden fulcrum]

the fastest way into a 12/13 will be to go with friends or run your own key

[neat heart]

Would 660 ilvl be fine for myself if it’s my key

[sudden fulcrum]

absolutely

[neat heart]

I’m doing 48 lfr bosses

To get heroic gear

This dinar system or whatever rules

[sudden fulcrum]

if you die a lot people might leave though, so hopefully you at least kinda know the mechanics

[neat heart]

Ty muffin

[wintry solar]

Me when my girl brings me a cookie she made

[sudden fulcrum]

i've heard people say they don't want to call me muffin because they consider it a term of endearment

[keen belfry]

bricked the 20FG @sudden fulcrum

[sudden fulcrum]

that's because you didn't invite me

newb

[keen belfry]

toxic

[sudden fulcrum]

what happened?

[keen belfry]

No One Did The Box After Big Momma

[neat heart]

It is a term of endearment and that’s why I call u muffin

[wintry solar]

If we were in a call and I called you Muffin, we absolutely are both dead

(She's cuban)

[sudden fulcrum]

damn yeah Cuban women are spicy

[lone spear]

the great curse of living in australia, we have like no south american women here

[south glen]

so timing all 12s gives access to myth trinkets from dinars, does that also count for alts?

[fair oak]

Nope

Character specific unfortunately

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry i woke up at 8 pm

…

let’s just say sleep schedule stocks r up

[keen belfry]

sounds cooked

[craggy barn]

no, its not warbound wide, u have to do 12s on that character to unlock the myth gear for that char

[south glen]

so is rogue pretty much just a pretty number on a meter in a key

[torpid fiber]

u also have 10/12% attack speed reduction!!!

but yeah they gave everyone else more and more util and we mostly only got aoe blind off the top of my head

[wintry solar]

Pugs make you shroud at the weirdest parts

Or want you to

They never made me shroud

You don't need shroud to get pass the middle mobs in atal dazar

[silk stirrup]

People underestimate perma tricks

[torpid fiber]

is perma tricks that big over normal tricks?

[wintry solar]

It's just qol imo

I still press it out of habit

[frank finch]

perma tricks is a dps increase

see even yoda thinks we need buffs

surely

[lone spear]

i mean all the numbers point to it

but i expect us to still be really weak first 1-2 weeks of raid

since its just not designed for us

thankfully they changed last boss damage amp from 200% to 100%

[frank finch]

oh?

nice

[lone spear]

that wouldve been HILARIOUS how bad we were gonna show

[random stirrup]

arcane boomie still S+ tier

[lone spear]

well moonkin tier set still insanely op

[random stirrup]

mage boomie every season for years

[lone spear]

expect a nerf

[vague cape]

Low-key

He probably has seen one outlaw ever

On ptr, maybe it was Zac

[proven ocean]

his tier list is cooked

[balmy topaz]

So no buffs then?

[stiff hawk]

You are buffed enough

[vivid vessel]

I could bet my whole house on outlaw getting buffed

[wintry solar]

Just happened

Tier got buffed

That's new isn't it?

[vivid vessel]

No

Last week

[wintry solar]

Dang nvm

Okay yeah I bet we get buffed too

I've came to terms with no KS fixes personally

Begrudgingly

[frank finch]

i would love to see a zeross tier list

[vivid vessel]

Probably outlaw s+ above every spec

And assa d-

[violet bison]

How different do we play according to current ptr changes?

[cedar kernel]

i am playing POE

gm censi

[vivid vessel]

We play loaded instead of sleight

Roll with loaded only

Roll when

• no buffs or 1 buff
• loaded and less than 3

[wintry solar]

Hi bac!

[cedar kernel]

hi popo

[wintry solar]

I don't have nitro so I can't wave

[cedar kernel]

u can just : hi :

[frank finch]

zac tell me outlaw getting buffed then its getting buffed

cant wait to start s3 as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

I told you it's getting buffed

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

It's not even cope

[sick ingot]

hey guys, can anyone share the weapon swap weak aura? the ones i found on wago are trash 😦 - main reason iam too stupid for searching ... but i saw some good ones on stream.

[digital rock]

check dm

[vivid vessel]

Type weapon swap

[ember mantle]

this applies to sub as well
but i was just getting into outlaw since i want some of the zoomer gameplay n was looking at the tree
why in the world are there 2 rows of spec talents that are almost exclusively util/defensive

maybe im just jealous of the 5% stam considering im just barely over 10 mill hp while completely capped out on sub but it just seems so weird to me

[plucky chasm]

Guys

Do we got buffs for outlaw ?

I didnt read anything on the inet just woke up 5mins ago xd

[hot olive]

no

but still to early might get more changes

[plucky chasm]

Zac told in stream on PTR that rogue is shit

Especially outlaw

Thats why im askin

I hope we got some good buffs & changes🙏🏽

[hot olive]

surly we will

[limpid onyx]

Gotta press roll the bones for buffs m8

[kindred compass]

guys which ability do we macro GS with

[vivid vessel]

No rogue changes this week

Next week

[tidal sequoia]

We really shit

Or acceptable shit

[stiff hawk]

in best case

you dont

[kindred compass]

so you press it off cd manually?

[stiff hawk]

Yes

[ember mantle]

how come?

[wintry solar]

Don't want to GS a target that dies in 2 seconds

[ember mantle]

ah valid
so in raid for example its totally fine to have it macro'd
aside from just "it creates bad habits for m+"

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats fine

[finite arch]

outlaw gang

[wintry solar]

Though, when you drop adr, its such an energy sink that frankly sucks to press.

[ember mantle]

but still worth anyways but feels bad? or not really till adr is back up

[wintry solar]

Net neutral

Tbh

[ember mantle]

ah
ok pretty specific question that might not be easily answered which is alright

if you take someone averaging 85-95 ish parses in heroic on outlaw
where on the range of "playing pretty spot on but just unlucky sometimes", "doing everything mostly right but goofs a global here n there", to "missing key tech that actually matters" would you assume they most likely are?

trying to gauge how much i have to grasp to feel good about whipping it out in raid

[balmy topaz]

!gs

[balmy topaz]

Naa tonight frfr

@vivid vessel

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas/clip/CheerfulLaconicCockroachFutureMan-VJl7za60Yv5YErTm?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[stiff hawk]

Problem ist, maybe you dont have enougn energy if you macro it

and it could lead to CP Wasting

is minimal but still

It was a bigger Deal when ER was still a thing i guess

[tender wedge]

Somewhere between missing tech and goofing a global here and there

On pure single target at least

Things get a bit all over he place once you start introducing adds

I think my heroic average is 97 or 98 and I’d describe myself as goofing globals here and there

[vale warren]

I got a 97 on m gally yesterday and iirc i spent 8 seconds of the fight stunned so make of that what you will

[tender wedge]

Imagine being allowed to hit adds

[ember mantle]

yeah was wondering about single target
aoe is so much more variable beyond that

im just learning n hitting a dummy n was wondering "how much cleaner do i need to be?"
its rough because i play pretty low apm normally so my standards are way higher than they should be for how much i can mess up and do well

[tender wedge]

I mean doing your prio “perfectly” is probably good for a 95, knowing when to hold dps, maximise downtime, damage amps, add spawns etc is your 98/99, rng is in there somewhere but less important than people think, and the last 1%ile is, at this stage of the season, people being allowed to get ranks by their guild

[proven ocean]

Spark
[MZRY]
— 11:53 AM
I mean doing your prio “perfectly” is probably good for a 95, knowing when to hold dps, maximise downtime, damage amps, add spawns etc is your 98/99, rng is in there somewhere but less important than people think, and the last 1%ile is, at this stage of the season, people being allowed to get ranks by their guild

new spiderman moves just dropped

sheeeeeesh

[finite arch]

wild

[random stirrup]

Probably messing up a good bit

[tender wedge]

I have no idea what that means but assume you disagree lol

[random stirrup]

assuming you're high ilvl and such ofc

in my opinion, you should be able to parse very high in heroic consistently if you know what you are doing

[ember mantle]

yeah in contrast (maybe coping) sub feels wayyyyyyy easier to get the prio "perfect"
and the damage amps/downtime n such can pretty much be fully mapped out fairly easily
but then the kill time can just completely gut the attempt

so moving to such a flat profile where you just crank out way more gcds is jarring

[random stirrup]

i agree that sub is easier

and ya outlaw has high sim variance but kill times will grief you way harder on sub than just lowrolling on law

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know lol

[ember mantle]

actually that made me think
if a heroic group is just kinda killing bosses super slow
does outlaw just become bis at that point?

[vivid vessel]

Also.like

Idk how you balance that

Cause it's by design broken af

It's controllable mega burst

[finite arch]

eye of kezan bis

[frank finch]

is that pre or post nerf

[vivid vessel]

Before this week nerfs

But it'd probably the same result

Thing is

He ramps up on the pack

Then just one shot boss

The idea you can do that in the first place is flawed idk

[frank finch]

yea thats wack

[vivid vessel]

Why does Boomie needs to have the best prio in the game suddenly also

Like it already have everything

This spec is crazy

[frank finch]

do u predict an other nerf for boomie oh great one?

[random stirrup]

0 chance boomie makes it to live doing 30% of a bosses hp in a single global

or blizzard is truly lost

[ember mantle]

i mean theres no universe in which that clip can go into live
looks like itd be the most degenerate season for m+ ive ever seen

[balmy topaz]

You cutie

Idk why rogue is being left in the lurch so much

Like even our tier is ass

[stiff hawk]

its still a whole month left+

[wintry solar]

This sounds familiar

[stiff hawk]

im just saying

[wintry solar]

Same

[stiff hawk]

We can still be mad in a month

now we can be sussy

[wintry solar]

Imma be mad regardless

I'll be honest

[finite arch]

Guys pls ask blizz to change KS so i dont get stunned randomly by some stupid aoe

[wintry solar]

Buff it, fix KS, I'm still gonna be mad

[balmy topaz]

It is wdym

[novel socket]

i dont think blizz gives a shit abou dps in ptr

[stiff hawk]

Bro

[novel socket]

they can see the numbers

[stiff hawk]

it already is changed

[novel socket]

they will nerf them before it hits live

[wintry solar]

You know what I mean

[finite arch]

I got stunned yesterday in rookery

[stiff hawk]

I mean for Season 3

[finite arch]

ohhh

W blizzard

[balmy topaz]

Only took 2 expansions but yeah

W

[wintry solar]

I mean cast time and stuff

Though tbh I don't care about it

[proven ocean]

dont mention those cursed words again

[finite arch]

[stiff hawk]

Real

[wintry solar]

Sometimes you gotta call it like you see it

Blizz has Ws sometimes

[novel socket]

there are no Ws

this is a +20 years old game

[stiff hawk]

W is just doulbe V

[novel socket]

every single "mistake" they do is intentional

therefor not a mistake

[balmy topaz]

If they half the duration I will call it a real W

[finite arch]

I want outlaw to be no1 dps next season

[vivid vessel]

i mean they will do it right

[finite arch]

If not imma burn blizzard hq

VV blizzard

[vivid vessel]

like every feedback

is

lower duration

so

they will do it

right

[balmy topaz]

If it helps you sleep better at night zac

Sure they will

[stiff hawk]

Every feedback

[balmy topaz]

[stiff hawk]

like 5 Outlaws

exist

[frank finch]

and the sims show canceling it early is dps gain

surely

they reduce it

[stiff hawk]

Ramping dmg the longer its channel

fixed

[finite arch]

Anyone know when the next plunderstorm is coming back?

[cinder relic]

Unless it changed its like 0.2% damage to cancel early right

[finite arch]

need to collect some mogs

[cinder relic]

With the damage change

[wintry solar]

That's what sims said

[vivid vessel]

its not big ye guy

[frank finch]

idk if solo ever said how much

[stiff hawk]

I wouldnt expect it this year

[finite arch]

ty

[cinder relic]

Probs should be a loss to cancel but at least its not like 2% lol

[vivid vessel]

eh

idk

[cinder relic]

Ppl barely do all the 0.5%s sub/sin has yk

[balmy topaz]

I'd rather it not

[vivid vessel]

its kinda weird to keep casting while at full cp

[cinder relic]

Like multiple 0.5%s

Ya I mean I agree lol

[vivid vessel]

i think this cp thing allows it to be a cast that is worth to cast till ful cp

[balmy topaz]

Ye lol

[vivid vessel]

not more

which is a good thing

imo

[frank finch]

for flow

[vivid vessel]

i dontt hink canceling it is bad gameplay

is it ?

[balmy topaz]

Naa

[vivid vessel]

it makes the channel time a bit more engaging at least

[wintry solar]

I like canceling personally

[vivid vessel]

how do you feel about it @cinder relic

[balmy topaz]

Basically makes it an empowered ability at that point

[ember mantle]

i mean everyone says the channel time is too long
but everyone also says deathstalker feels bad
and fatebound should aoe better
for 2 seasons and nothing happens

[balmy topaz]

Unintended empowered ability

[cinder relic]

I don't like it because it feels unintended

You can argue many rotational things do feel that way but like

I don't like any channel being cancelled

[neat heart]

Empowered abilities feel weird to me

[cinder relic]

Bladestorm, fof, eyebeam

[neat heart]

They’re not that smooth

[balmy topaz]

The buff was 100% supposed to address the cancelling I do agree

[vivid vessel]

hm

[proven ocean]

i wouldn't stress too hard on KS being that way on PTR

[cinder relic]

Ofc. Likely not the last based on the fact it's still worth it to cancel

[proven ocean]

its PTR afterall

[vivid vessel]

idk having it gives cp kinda leans into it tho

maybe the cast time should just be so that you get to max cp and it stops tho

[cinder relic]

Yeh

[vivid vessel]

like 5cp spent = 4cp given and it stops there

-1? always cause of ruthlessness

cause otherwise you always have +1 wasted

idk

[finite arch]

Im sorta deciding if i should run ghostly strike over precise cuts in keys

Im still using HO

[tender wedge]

I prefer PC but I do mid keys so

[vast prism]

Hey guys quick question, which pick should i go for in the Delves Belt ?

[tulip quarry]

Animation is sick though, like that Equilibrium / John Wick vibz XD

[tender wedge]

Boss damage doesn’t make or break anything

[wintry solar]

Not running PC is throwing

[finite arch]

I have been struggling in 12s with boss on my runs

[tulip quarry]

Sim yourself, it will be between Critical chain and Charged Crystal

[tender wedge]

Even without ghostly I’m usually over 2m unless some stupid downtime boss

[finite arch]

esp with floodgate

[vast prism]

thanks

[finite arch]

i see i see

[tender wedge]

Dropping ghostly also makes energy feel better for what it’s worth

Get a few unlucky rolls and it doesn’t leave you gigadry

[vivid vessel]

what about sc tho @cinder relic

[torpid fiber]

it defs feels unintended but I feel like it kinda feels like w/ how close it is it's probably fine

[vivid vessel]

its fucked when yuo sc a ks

[tulip quarry]

Ghostly strike should be a buff and proced by something else, like be part of the Between the eyes buff

[vivid vessel]

and it wouldnt work

[finite arch]

Feels bad sometimes i swear mid cds and you roll some garbo

[tender wedge]

Just switch it out for a key or two

[vivid vessel]

maybe it should have never scaled with cp spent tho

[tender wedge]

See how you vibe

[vivid vessel]

just a set channel, gains 1 cp per 0.2s, stops at max cp

[cinder relic]

Make it so you only get the CP when the cast finishes

[vivid vessel]

naaah

[cinder relic]

make it ramp damage with duration

(Lower the duration)

[vivid vessel]

the cp feedback

is excellent

[stiff hawk]

[vivid vessel]

it makes you feel like something is happening

without it it would be mega weird

as much as i dislike it giving cp

i think its neccesseray

[cinder relic]

I getchu

[vivid vessel]

for the feedback alone

[flat needle]

We where left out for the next cycle of class tuning

[cinder relic]

Rogue isnt actually that bad rn honestly

Rogue is only bad when u compared to the actual overtuned shit I feel

At least, sub

A lot of my perspective is based on chasing wr

sub looks very good

[tulip quarry]

Bah...

[cinder relic]

Its just worse than like, Shadow, MM/BM, Demo, FDK, Arcane/Fire

[tulip quarry]

Want outlaw to have its BFA glory back T_T

[cinder relic]

I mean it was good this tier

and I mean look at push keys too lol, zac is doing his thing on otl this season

[wintry solar]

And I want bfa outlaw but wish in one hand and shit in another and see which fills up first

[novel socket]

rogue is good every season

at least for the time i have been playing

at least one spec is always good

not broken

not bad

[finite arch]

when isit outlaw's turn to be on top

[stiff hawk]

never

[wintry solar]

The odds are pretty high for 3 dps spec classes

[finite arch]

[balmy topaz]

It won't ever happen

[novel socket]

like

[stiff hawk]

Because its not build for prog raiding

[novel socket]

blizz definitely sucks dick

but they always buff at least one spec

on the classes that have only dps specs

[stiff hawk]

tbh its a 50/50 chance for every spec

[novel socket]

mage is the exception because mage is the hero class of the hero classes

[wintry solar]

It either is or isnt

[novel socket]

so they always have 2 or even all 3 specs broken and get a rework every 6 months

[vivid vessel]

eeeeh, i dont think outlaw st has ever been this bad honestly?

[novel socket]

[vivid vessel]

like honest no cap no biased

usually outlaw st is good

every season

[finite arch]

Just uncap BF

[cinder relic]

U basing on sims or actual testing

JW

[finite arch]

like thats all I want

[novel socket]

its not built for anything tbh

[vivid vessel]

ye testing

[finite arch]

8 targets is fucking cringe

[vivid vessel]

on ptr i mean

[novel socket]

outlaw is the only spec that works the way it does

[vivid vessel]

on live outlaw st is top tier

[novel socket]

so blizz doesn't design anything with outlaw in mind

[vivid vessel]

as every season

[novel socket]

all the other specs have burst phases when their cds are up

so forced downtime is not as bad for them

[vivid vessel]

Like it doesn't necessarily show that well in raid

[stiff hawk]

it jsut doesnt fit some bosses

[vivid vessel]

But for example in m+

You see how strong outlaw st is

[stiff hawk]

Like Mug'zee

you dont want to play outlaw there

[mighty pivot]

the whole KS giving cp in combination with SC feels very crappy ngl. Right now having to avoid supercharging isn't good design at all

[novel socket]

eh

[vivid vessel]

It's just hard to notice in raid sometimes but it's still there

On ptr it's not

[novel socket]

mug is not that bad if the tanks can control the boss properly

[remote pecan]

y not outlaw on mug?

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw st especially in keys is legit the lowest it's ever been

[novel socket]

same with gally

[cinder relic]

Yeah probs needs buffs then

[tender wedge]

8% aura buff take it or leave it

[stiff hawk]

I mean for Prog, you can definitely play it in rekill

But for Prog playing Outlaw on Mug is a coinflip

[vivid vessel]

Imma play outlaw on reclear as always

Banger spec

But for sure a sub prog tier

How unexpected

[novel socket]

what do you mean its coinflip

dmg wise ?

[remote pecan]

i played outlaw for everything this tier and had minimal issues tbh

[novel socket]

yeah its coinflip

[remote pecan]

a few annoyances but otherwise fine

[vale warren]

Mug felt easier than gally for me

[stiff hawk]

Yeah and Uptime

[novel socket]

same

[stiff hawk]

because mechanics

[novel socket]

most of the issues i had on mug and gally

[vivid vessel]

you play trickster tho

not fatebound

[novel socket]

were because my tanks couldn't control the boss

[vivid vessel]

?

noob

[stiff hawk]

mbmb

[vale warren]

And I was on jail duty cause I play velf

[stiff hawk]

[novel socket]

and i played ks in all bosses in prog

besides gally and mug the rest of the bosses were fine

[wintry solar]

This mad man KS'd on sprocket

[stiff hawk]

Lockenstock?

[novel socket]

locken is fatebound

[stiff hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif

[wintry solar]

Oh that's who I meant

I'm bad with names

[remote pecan]

i did this to my raid in a few pullsd during prog when i was bored

[vale warren]

No you were right

[remote pecan]

couldnt help myself

[vale warren]

It's sprocketmonger lockenstock

[remote pecan]

man i just realised, i'm always bored in raids

[novel socket]

i like raiding

i wish i could only just raid

and not do any of the other chores

[balmy topaz]

M+ is banger

Unless it's the SL mega dungeon

That is RP central

[wintry solar]

I get bored in pve pretty quickly myself tbh

[remote pecan]

nope, m+ is the worst if i didnt have to fill vault i'd never step foot in them after like week 1

[vale warren]

Fuck you just reminded me we've gotta do that next season

[novel socket]

i would also never do m+ if was not forced to for the loot

[balmy topaz]

Anytime buddy

High m+ keys are fun

[novel socket]

i liked the df mega dungeon

[balmy topaz]

Too much RP for me

[novel socket]

it was so nice and somehow they got it perfectly tuned on release too

you could clear it by just doing the mechanics right

[balmy topaz]

Only thing I like about it

[vale warren]

Yeah I hated that one too in m+

[balmy topaz]

It has a nice ring this season

[novel socket]

and the first part was also very quick in m+ the next season

[vale warren]

It was like spires of ascension with the flying between platforms

[novel socket]

so i liked spamming it

for crests

[balmy topaz]

HoA is gonna be so goated

I love that dungeon

[vale warren]

They nerfed the hell out of the dogs and the frontal guys so I feel like you can just pull massive there for free now

[wintry solar]

I'm so tired of dungeons with mechanics that won't let me stealth during

[vale warren]

Not that I've actually played PTR or anything

[wintry solar]

Idc how few there are, it makes me not want to play the game.

[vale warren]

Doing zdps on yes men cause the bee fucked ur ar

[wintry solar]

This mfer

Dude

I hate siding with redditors but I'll give them this.

[vale warren]

The mechagon flying machine after 3rd boss

Dfc minecart minigame

[wintry solar]

At least if we gave them what they want, they wouldn't have this issue.

[finite arch]

Did they nerf the fucking fish in floodgate

[wintry solar]

My heart, stop.

[finite arch]

what a stupid miniboss

[vale warren]

They killed it

[finite arch]

thank god

[wintry solar]

I'm not even playing and it's so bad

[novel socket]

you haven't see it ?

[vale warren]

Swampface's new spawning animation is him killing bubbles

[novel socket]

let me find the video

[hot olive]

bubbls jr sadg

[novel socket]

you need to see

what they did to the fish

[finite arch]

I seldom read patch notes till the day the patch drops XD

[novel socket]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TacitJollyOwlBlargNaut-3Wn_iULrnpEpfU94

[vivid vessel]

im sorry what

the dogs one shot tanks my guy

its unplayable

[vale warren]

Oh damn nvm

[finite arch]

Greatest clip of all time

[vale warren]

I just saw in patch notes they took away the thing that made you have to kite them

I guess they just made them do fuck dam instead

[mighty pivot]

they made them apply a stacking bleed on autos

[vale warren]

Fuck man why's it always gotta be bleeds

I play with a prot warrior

[novel socket]

because very few things can remove them

[wintry solar]

Just play with an hpal

[stiff hawk]

or Evoker

[wintry solar]

Just play with an hpal

[stiff hawk]

Evoker and hpal

[upper hazel]

damn this "Kiling Spree" Buff will make us S-Tier.

[stiff hawk]

what a fucking wild name

[mighty pivot]

[upper hazel]

Sorry its german, i can change it in english.

[stiff hawk]

nono

I understand it

im german too

thats why i said it

[finite arch]

Insert rammstein

[wintry solar]

Legion classic better hurry

[finite arch]

Im waiting for bfa classic tbh

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[finite arch]

I want to relive season 4 twilight dev again

[wintry solar]

They'd do a good job this time around

Because

They're open to make changes

[finite arch]

The return of peak rextroy and my unemploymentndays

[finite arch]

No, no changes

I want to 1 shot with twilight dev or I boycott

[novel socket]

there won't be a legion classic

[wintry solar]

I know

[novel socket]

they said classic will stop at mop

[wintry solar]

Mop is the last

Yeah

[vapid sundial]

But funny hentai power

[novel socket]

[vapid sundial]

Beating people up in arena

[finite arch]

True

[novel socket]

legion classic would be peak

[vapid sundial]

Nzoth dagger in arena was so funny

[finite arch]

They should do wod classic

[novel socket]

legion is the best expansion they ever made and its unlikely they will ever top it

[wintry solar]

Outlaw having Shadowblades

[stiff hawk]

Said really no one

like

NO ONE

[vapid sundial]

Me

I want it

I loved 8.3

RAGHHH

[novel socket]

legion with the end of expansion changes and qol is just perfect

[stiff hawk]

Like this words

should be Banworthy

[vapid sundial]

No

[finite arch]

What happens to our classic toons? Will it get moved to retail? I have a zulian tiger in classic

[vapid sundial]

8.3 was great

[finite arch]

Dont you want warlocks casting .5 sec chaos bolts?

[opaque flume]

its not worth to swap if im crafted MH and HC capo OH r?

[mighty pivot]

TWW classic

[novel socket]

i rememeber seeing a video of the last day of classic nax before it would be moved to the wotlk classic

a lock won the corrupted ashbringer roll

and said he would keep the sword until legion classic to mog it for his felguard

[finite arch]

Didnt a boomy get the first ever hand of rag in 2019 classic?

[vapid sundial]

Ah yes the asmongold video

[stiff hawk]

I want BFA to be erased out of WoWs History

BFA made me quit WoW

like

????

[finite arch]

I feel that way about TWW tbh

[stiff hawk]

[vapid sundial]

Tww is probably my least favorite expansion

That I've played

[finite arch]

Past 2 expansions has been pretty L

[vapid sundial]

This raid tier was just ASS

[finite arch]

Shadowlands had better hype

[wintry solar]

Df for me

[novel socket]

tww is shadowlands level of bad expac

[wintry solar]

Absolutely none of DF was memorable for me

[novel socket]

atrocious story, unlimited bugs

[finite arch]

But shadowlands was hype

[novel socket]

and 2 steps behind 1 step forward changes and tuning

[wintry solar]

Shadowlands was good if you didn't have alts

[vapid sundial]

The most fun I had was when the class I decided to play was fotm giga broken

[finite arch]

Season 2 arms warrior in arenas was simply perfection, fuck those pesky frost mages

[wintry solar]

Or more than 1 alt

[vapid sundial]

I finally got to experience being the main character

For one season

[novel socket]

just switch to mage

and you can be the main character

every season

forever

[finite arch]

I hope garrosh drops a manabomb on blizzard hq so we get wow 2

[vapid sundial]

Too much effort

I enjoyed my one of enhance

Bc enh is fun

[wintry solar]

Which is probably why it'll get worse for you

[stiff hawk]

Just play MoP classic

[vapid sundial]

Eh

I don't know if I can stand giving the wow devs more money

[wintry solar]

Who actually has fun when the game is balanced?

On paper you should

But in practice, it's so boring.

[vapid sundial]

Is that why ff is so boring?

[crude anchor]

!prekey

[vapid sundial]

Or is it the 2s gcd

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vapid sundial]

[wintry solar]

I don't play ff

[novel socket]

it has been proved that the best balance

[wintry solar]

I shower

[novel socket]

is when everything is broken

and you let the players just go wild

[vapid sundial]

Ff is relatively balanced

Besides painter

[finite arch]

Bfa season 4

[wintry solar]

Everyone remembers those seasons

[finite arch]

Greatest season of all time

The haters secretly enjoyed it

I remember back in legion sodapoppin complaining about the big dmg numbers fucking TWW is basically the same and nonone complaining

Hypetrain haters

[vapid sundial]

I mean

Did he forget about mists

And multi millions?

It was mists right?

[novel socket]

turns out people like big numbers

its just a visual thing anyway

[finite arch]

Big numbers =good

[novel socket]

but i do remember reading an interview from blizz back in legion

[vapid sundial]

So the problem is

[novel socket]

and they said that the game was getting laggy

[vapid sundial]

I like wow and want to play wow

[novel socket]

from the huge numbers

[vapid sundial]

But I want to jsut m+

[novel socket]

they had to calculate constantly

[vapid sundial]

Raiding has been awful these past few tiers

[novel socket]

so they had to reduce it a bit

[wintry solar]

Stat squishes do be a necessary evil

[finite arch]

[stiff hawk]

The Problem in mop was, thst the numbers were Too big for an integer

So they had to Cut garrosh heroic 25 in several phases

[ember mantle]

i personally prefer 6-7 digit single target
once it gets to 4 it feels like a wet noodle
even if it doesnt really matter
n then at 9 its just so high where it doesnt even matter at that point

[vapid sundial]

6-7 is the good shit

[shy flume]

You can do better than this prekey or am i trippin ? Coz i do something different i pre ar before key when key starts insta rtb inside bubble than cancelaura snd cast snd when the bubble opens bf inti stleath into ar rtb cancelaura snd cast snd than rtb again

[stiff hawk]

I couldnt care less about the numbers

[shy flume]

Prekey is outdated ?

[stiff hawk]

Squishes often lead to fucked up scaling

E c

Etc

[finite arch]

Seeing huge numbers pop up is cool till you realised youre doing lesser damage than the tank

[ember mantle]

i mean yeah
like it doesnt actually matter
its just a vibes thing

feels weird doing "less" dps than when you were leveling to 80

[vapid sundial]

Well my only real experience with that was bfa season 4 into sl season 1

Which isn't exactly fair

Since we had corruptions

And stats at 80%

[shy flume]

You were playing with
Full versa
Corruptions

[vapid sundial]

I never went versa

[finite arch]

Ryker do you have an active sub

[shy flume]

And bote

[vapid sundial]

I was still newer

[vapid sundial]

No!

[shy flume]

Coz u were doing low keys

[vapid sundial]

I didn't use bote

Don't you ever say that to me again

[shy flume]

Iris major

[vapid sundial]

Nope

[shy flume]

Is meme

Viison major

[vapid sundial]

I was botd gamer

3 strikes ur out

[stiff hawk]

Just Act like the m in your dps isnt there and bam you have classic numbers

You are welcome

[finite arch]

Ryker plays on private server 100% can we get a reddit mod to ban this guy

[vapid sundial]

I let my sub run out like

2 months back

Wym

[stiff hawk]

Based

[finite arch]

[vapid sundial]

I said this raid tier Is awful

And let it go

[finite arch]

He got out

[wintry solar]

He escaped

[finite arch]

Playing bfa classic private server

[vapid sundial]

For now.

[shy flume]

Btw !prekey command is outdated anyone knows ?

[wintry solar]

I wish there was a good bfa private server

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[finite arch]

Is that outdated?

[wintry solar]

Looks good to me

[finite arch]

Thats KIR opener no?

Actually thats kinda universal

[ember mantle]

i thought kir was adr --> rtb?

[finite arch]

Nvm

[shy flume]

You can get 6 supercharge opener

[wintry solar]

That's with Loaded Dice

[finite arch]

I still run HO

Cant figure out kir opener

[ember mantle]

isnt loaded dice the prefered one for 11.2?

[wintry solar]

No

Sleight of Hand

Oh yeah

[ember mantle]

oh what?
i coulda sworn it was loaded over sleight

[finite arch]

Nah

[wintry solar]

I'm thinking 11.1

Loaded over sleight next patch

[shy flume]

Bring back mfd

[wintry solar]

Play fatebound and you got it

[shy flume]

Infinite resets

[vapid sundial]

Mfd is basically just botd gameplay

Frfr

[shy flume]

Yes

[finite arch]

What is this abbreviation

Botd

[vapid sundial]

My favorite gameplay

[wintry solar]

I miss her

[shy flume]

But with mfd cdr
Roll u can put 3 bte in 1
Bloodwindow

Which is huge

[vapid sundial]

Botd doesn't mean anything to you now.

It's from a time long past

[wintry solar]

Before time had a name

[finite arch]

I love azerite

[stiff hawk]

Mfd

[wintry solar]

Still not justified

[vapid sundial]

Why'd they have to take my son away

And give us

FUCKING

SEPSIS

[wintry solar]

Idc how much resource gen we have, never touch mfd

[shy flume]

There should be option where u either choose deeper or mfd

[ember mantle]

i joined around aug launch
azerite and mfd seem ancient to me

[wintry solar]

We'd always take deeper

Which

Btw

Should be deleted

And rogues should go back to 5/6 cp

Because

[finite arch]

Deeper strat is based wym

[wintry solar]

Sure

But we don't need 2

[civic zephyr]

okay can we sign a petition to get outlaw soft capped at 8 and do less damage beyond

[finite arch]

Rage bait

[wintry solar]

That's what soft capping does

Also no

Because I thought the shadow under the chin was a choker at first

[civic zephyr]

better than being hard capped at 8

[wintry solar]

And I made up my mind

[finite arch]

Uncapped

[wintry solar]

It's about the same

[shy flume]

What about 3x wits gaming kekw

[vapid sundial]

Bro

One sec

[wintry solar]

Hell yeah bring back wits

[vapid sundial]

I want you to look in this channel

For kyw

[finite arch]

Is rtb on the gcd? Or is my keyboard bricked

[vapid sundial]

And look how many are me

[civic zephyr]

i mean ideally, id like blizz to either balance all dps to the same cap, or balance all around being uncapped

[wintry solar]

Actually just bring back all of bfa outlaw but with modern rtb and bte

[finite arch]

I dont get why outlaw is capped at 8

[civic zephyr]

i wasnt trying to ragebait, i just dislike the idea of having some hard capped classes, some soft capped, and then some uncapped

its annoying

[shy flume]

It would be broken if outlaw is uncapped

[civic zephyr]

thats why i said soft capped tbh ^

[shy flume]

U could go 3x rogue again

[finite arch]

Look at farking boomy

[vapid sundial]

#outlaw message

[ember mantle]

ykw ill take a hard cap of 8 if they were just flat out the best at 8 no discussion
maybe bad take
like equivalent of destro lock on 2 target with havoc kinda numbers

[civic zephyr]

idk fucking uncap us for 1 season and watch everyone cry, but if they uncapped everyone and balanced the aoe shit around uncapped, or soft cap all at 8 and balance aoe abilities to that

[vapid sundial]

Wym

[wintry solar]

Okay but

[vapid sundial]

If rogue is doing good dmg at all they cry

Bis or not

[wintry solar]

Then our only niche would go away

[civic zephyr]

tru

[vapid sundial]

Me when the class that only has dmg does dmg

[shy flume]

We dominated legion + bfa

[civic zephyr]

the niche is now being a gunslinging pirate doing some weird fucking pew pew bullshit

[wintry solar]

That's a theme

[ember mantle]

if anyone does good damage they cry
i know im crying watching blood beast on unholy dk completely vaporize cinderbrew

[vapid sundial]

#gripisaraidbuff

[wintry solar]

Now that our aoe works, I think the target cap is fine.

[shy flume]

Give bloodlust to rogue

[stiff hawk]

give rogue a gate

[vapid sundial]

Frankly I think every class should have lust or brez

[stiff hawk]

or Healtstones

[wintry solar]

I put a "Using my raid buff" macro on my death grip

[vapid sundial]

It's cringe

[ember mantle]

if dk is m+ meta again they will cry they dont have a raid buff and everyone else cries that they dont have as much damage as the dks

[stiff hawk]

Gate aka Smokebomb (Ninja Teleport) or a Vial Cauldron that does the same as Healthstones

[shy flume]

Would be pog

[vapid sundial]

Just give us an aoe talent for it Idk

Group heal

Some kinds vapors shit

[wintry solar]

Already do

[vapid sundial]

In pvp

[wintry solar]

Drink Up Me Hearties

[civic zephyr]

i just dislike the hard cap compared to everything else having soft cap/uncapped

[shy flume]

Give DFA BACK 🙂

[civic zephyr]

but im also a whiney bitch and i just wanna bonk and shit

[vapid sundial]

Just use bladerush

[stiff hawk]

No

[wintry solar]

Bladerush but tuned for the first time ever

[stiff hawk]

Its called Secret Technique

or Coup de Grace

[shy flume]

Bladrle rush was good st back in bfa

[vapid sundial]

Tbh

[wintry solar]

I miss blade rush

[vapid sundial]

I wish br was rw into a finisher and not ks

[wintry solar]

rw?

Reworked

No

[vapid sundial]

Yes

[wintry solar]

No

[vapid sundial]

Finisher br goes crazy

Br isn't problematic

[wintry solar]

"I need more energy, I better build for it"

[vapid sundial]

You people always seem to think it'd need to be based around energy

I don't get why this concept is hard to understand

It'd be reworked

[wintry solar]

Because that's half of it

[finite arch]

Petition to allow blade flurry to spread ghostly strikes debuff

[vapid sundial]

It would take the finisher aspect of KS and be fully reworked

Curent br has no place in outlaws kit

[wintry solar]

If it's not energy, why even rework it?

Just delete it

[vapid sundial]

Why rework ks into a finisher

[wintry solar]

I don't think anyone wanted that tbh

[finite arch]

How do we even fit bladerush into the rotation

[vapid sundial]

It would literally just take KS place

And be what procs fazed etc

[finite arch]

They should make a tier set that buffs rtb LOL

[civic zephyr]

i mean its not a horrible idea, but also, just soft cap flurry and let us be monsters

[finite arch]

Im tired of rolling TB and BT

[wintry solar]

I keep getting Skull and GM

[finite arch]

Flurry is hardcapped now right? Or am i tripping?

[vapid sundial]

Yes

[civic zephyr]

it isss

[finite arch]

Lame

[vapid sundial]

It wouldn't make us that broken

It'd just make us less ass in big aoe

[finite arch]

We should combine buffs

[wintry solar]

Have buff babies

[vapid sundial]

BT needs to go

And we'd be fine

[finite arch]

True that

[civic zephyr]

and it pmo, like its a cool niche ig, but at the same time, like even giving it a slightly larger % reduction past 8 targets, we would still be a much stronger aoe class past 8 targets where every other class runs rampant

[wintry solar]

What about pc

[vapid sundial]

Fuck that talent

[stiff hawk]

BT now reduces the cast time of KS

[wintry solar]

Ur moms a bitch

PC goated

[vapid sundial]

Hell nah

Cringe talent we should be best low target cleave without it

Given we are hard capped

[finite arch]

Bt with AR up is sadge

[wintry solar]

You eat popcorn with a spoon too dont you

[finite arch]

[vapid sundial]

Me when I can't think of anything productive to say so I resort to insults

[stiff hawk]

And with milk yes

[finite arch]

I personally eat popcorn with a straw

[wintry solar]

It's just as productive wdym

[agile orchid]

what if they nerfed the nimble flurry bonus and buffed the ST of outlaw

[stone vault]

lads was there an instance where the title was given to people who had lower score than the cutoff posted on raider io upon season ending ?

[vapid sundial]

Productive to making people treat your like Ross maybe

[wintry solar]

I inhale them into my mouth like a vacuum cleaner

[shy flume]

Do u remember when u get 5buffs everyone was screaming in disc. Now u get 5 buffs and u dont even realize it on meters 😂😂

[vapid sundial]

People getting dqd yes

[finite arch]

How muxh does Nimble contributr to our dmg?

[stone vault]

how much of a difference was it ?

[agile orchid]

nimble for outlaw is 25% buff to bladeflurry

[finite arch]

Hard to tell when everythung just says 'blade flurry' 5billion dmg

[vapid sundial]

Shrug. Is kinda hard to say

[finite arch]

Ah

[stone vault]

well when does blizzard post their official cutoff usually ?

[vapid sundial]

It's posted on the forums already most likely

And has been weekly updated

For awhile

[finite arch]

Nimble feels so good on sub

[stone vault]

how ? the season didnt end yet

[wintry solar]

I'm sure it does

[stone vault]

oh i didnt know they post that

[wintry solar]

Thief

[vapid sundial]

They update it weekly

[finite arch]

Evi is like a cleave

[shy flume]

How behind fatebound in aoe compare to trickster right now ?

[finite arch]

I main outlaw now

[wintry solar]

You update weekly

[stone vault]

you got a link @vapid sundial ? probably more accuarte than raider io's

[shy flume]

With kir ofc

[vapid sundial]

Just Google. I'm on phone. But I know they have posted it past 3 seasons

Sub also basically stole blade flurry didn't it

[red zinc]

20

[civic zephyr]

itss 25% to BF

[finite arch]

Can i just say why the fuck does the season3 rogue tier look so ass

The paladin one is so dope

[vapid sundial]

Normal

[vapid sundial]

Almost no one plays this class

Like 10% of the pop plays paladin

Who do u think they're gonna focus on

[civic zephyr]

the only time this class is huge is when we are fotm

[red zinc]

what am I thinking about then

[vapid sundial]

Even then

[agile orchid]

idk season 2 tier set looked pretty banger

[red zinc]

20% multiplicative something

[vapid sundial]

Like 4%

[agile orchid]

season 3 is kinda generic tho

[vapid sundial]

Sorry all money towards player housing so you can erp

And not get interrupted by the Dwarven cannon

[finite arch]

This title

[civic zephyr]

LMAO

[wintry solar]

I can't wait to protect my neighborhood from invaders

[agile orchid]

I honestly do not get this obsession with vanish

[civic zephyr]

outlaw went from aoe monster class, to 8 target KS simulator

[vapid sundial]

I'm gonna sneak into your house and upperdecker your toilet

[agile orchid]

like what's wrong with using vanish as a cd?

[civic zephyr]

ffs why did i laugh at this?

[stiff hawk]

If it was called something different like "Gunslinging" people wouldn be mad

literally

[vapid sundial]

Historically been a defensive

[finite arch]

I feel ya but i do like the prolonging of AR

Crackshot also feels nice

If it wasnt so fucking random

[vapid sundial]

Ehhh

[civic zephyr]

i like the AR uptime from it, im scared to see how much of my rotation is about to become channeling gunslinger shit

[vapid sundial]

I prefer doing dmg without ar

Idk

[agile orchid]

if crackshot was guaranteed it would be boring

[vivid vessel]

Historically but it's been offensive since I started the game

[vapid sundial]

Yes

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel was it nimble flurry that was multiplicative for no reason

or something else

[finite arch]

I guess so

[civic zephyr]

zac, use your fame to get them to softcap bladeflurry rather than hardcap it RN </3

[vapid sundial]

I'd prefer to NOT need AR to do damage Idk

That outlaw was much better

[red zinc]

Oh wait

Thats what the 20% was im cooked

[agile orchid]

crackshot is unironically one of the coolest talents in the game and redditors are bitching about it

[hybrid crown]

It's been offensive since at least cata for rogue in general

[red zinc]

grand melee gives 20% multiplicative bf damage instead of 10% additive

[vapid sundial]

Too fast for peabrain

[civic zephyr]

i like crackshot windows, its real satisfying to get the cp resets and spam that shit

[finite arch]

I like how a reddit thread discussing outlaw has become a assa rogue discussion

[red zinc]

They have valid reasons for it idk

Doing legacy / world content as outlaw fucking sucks

And thats the content they do

[vapid sundial]

Different strokes man

[stiff hawk]

true

[agile orchid]

bro when I have to quest or do delves I play outlaw

and somehow

I never have a problem with it

crazy

[finite arch]

I got 5 craxkshot procs in a row and i swear i creamed myself

The feeling is unmatched

[vapid sundial]

Yeah but compare yourself to a farming druid

Who has 230% ms perma

[finite arch]

Druid is just fucking druid honestly

[agile orchid]

and you pretty much have sprint perma as outlaw

[vapid sundial]

Just how people are

You gotta stop taking it to heart

People like different things

[agile orchid]

they already ruined unholy dk

by listening to whiny redditors

[red zinc]

Thank god they did

Fuck udk

[agile orchid]

I don't want them to ruin rogue too

[vapid sundial]

Fr

[red zinc]

🙏

[vapid sundial]

Remove grip too

[agile orchid]

fuck you too