outlaw

[grave rose]

the guide just says "USE THE BUTTON"

nothing else?

lol

id shit myself laughing

[honest sparrow]

I really enjoyed the 10 min longer pause because wa`s was not working properly

[vestal notch]

hope so, not the intention

[vivid vessel]

I mean if it gets you 80% there

[fair oak]

would actually be a banger guide

[vivid vessel]

Why not

Hop

It's 12 am

Wtf

New day

New me

[fair oak]

ye discord did the weird line thing

[gaunt phoenix]

reformed

[grave rose]

you cant say that wouldnt make you laugh a little @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

I am reformed

[red zinc]

send da video

[fair oak]

le reformed

[vivid vessel]

@neat heart sorry I was mean

[craggy barn]

zac no longer hates everything?

[vivid vessel]

Nope

[craggy barn]

[grave rose]

Outlaw rogue guide - USE THE BUTTON . Assasination - USE THE BUTTON lol

[red zinc]

i take back the apology in his stead

[neat heart]

@vivid vessel it happens, ive crashed out over nothing within the last week so i get it

[vivid vessel]

Haha I was joking

Stupid hunter player

[hybrid crown]

I think a sweet spot would be roughly the sweaty nerds still struggle a bit, but progressive nerfs allow like the semi casual dip their toes into mythic guilds to get CE if they stick with it. This tier was pretty close to that id say

[fair oak]

wtf !!!!

[lime lake]

[neat heart]

😠

[vivid vessel]

[fair oak]

are you rping outlaw rogue by being like this?

😡

[neat heart]

entirely agree

[craggy barn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1212526973830570026/zachate.gif

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255113639950553108/tww-killing-spree.gif

[fair oak]

two sided underhanded scoundrel

[neat heart]

eric really based take, big kiss BIG AGREE

[vivid vessel]

This guy trying to make allies

[grave rose]

hes not wrong. I think if zac says something positive he melts into goo

hes preserving his life

[neat heart]

im machivellian

im winning mepo over next

[vivid vessel]

Won't work on me buddy

[civic zephyr]

this is already p much what it is tho

[neat heart]

im spreading 1br by any means necessary, dark triad tactics

[vivid vessel]

This is completely untrue

[hybrid crown]

I think the no more weak aura boss thing will make that happen

[neat heart]

do you think thats too good?

[hybrid crown]

Maybe flex mythic raiding too why not

[vivid vessel]

I keep saying how much I love outlaw and how much this is my favorite iteration of outlaw litteraly everyday

But what else you want me to say

[grave rose]

No? I just figured you were fueled by hatred and Baguettes

[vivid vessel]

Want me to slurp on them dev cocka everyday

[red zinc]

its never happening im doomin

[fair oak]

hate your spec like every class discord

[hybrid crown]

Mythic lockouts are so booty butt cheeks

[kindred mango]

3 yrd range back yet ?

[vivid vessel]

I'm fueled by hatred ye

Keeps me going

Gives me a purpose

[civic zephyr]

i think they already have brackets of difficulty and better players who clear harder content consistently, should be rewarded for higher skill levels, 100%

[fair oak]

r1 PUSHER tome elips

[vivid vessel]

But what else is there to talk about but the things that aren't working

[red zinc]

tome ellips

holy

[vivid vessel]

I'm not gonna talk about the things that are working

[fair oak]

my favorite outlaw rogue

[vivid vessel]

That's irrelevant

[civic zephyr]

like not everyone should be allowed to just walk in and get CE for free, cos then its not an achievement, its a hand out

[vivid vessel]

Ye hi

It's me

Thomaselvis

[neat heart]

getting CE on 1 button would take massive commitment, time, unsure if you could even do it with a raid full

I think the balancing is about perfect currently

[grave rose]

You guys think people are going to THE BUTTON ce?

[fair oak]

dude idk what's not working outlaw is like my 6th alt but it's quite fun

[vivid vessel]

Killing spree kekw

[fair oak]

dude I was so mad ks put me in a venn diagram of searing death in 18 top

I died and everyone else lived

[civic zephyr]

omg, im a big fan xoxo

[vivid vessel]

Noob

[vivid vessel]

Me too xoxo

[fair oak]

[sudden fulcrum]

do you genuinely believe it's a good addition to the game to reduce rotations to slamming a single button? nevermind the health issues.

[red zinc]

im committing identity theft next season

tomdelvis rise

[civic zephyr]

LMAO

[sudden fulcrum]

it's so baffling to me that it seems like bait

[hybrid crown]

Easy fix make every button on your bar the 1 button

[fair oak]

yo you can bind the one button thing to your whole action bar

yea

[neat heart]

Health issues aren't a concen. You can have it to multiple binds. I have it on 1 and my mouse. Could have it on more if you need. I'll do a bigger response in 1 sec

[civic zephyr]

time to make TomPelvis

[vivid vessel]

Ok brb sleep we can keep arguing tomorrow guys bb

[vivid vessel]

No need

Don't

[craggy barn]

i know like 1 person who would benefit from the button in my m raid, not in terms of damage, but for the sheer fact that they are losing situational awareness and make bad movement decisions that i think 1btn would actually be beneficial just to not die

[fair oak]

gn tommie elvis

[grave rose]

Cutting edge?

[craggy barn]

yes

we CE'd this last friday

[grave rose]

So you basically carry this person anyway right?

[craggy barn]

he pulls weight sometimes but yea

[lime lake]

[craggy barn]

some illegal movement from that guy

[civic zephyr]

but the difference being the struggle of doing both the rotation from memory without hard focusing, and being able to keep track of mechanics?

[craggy barn]

nah he just tunnels

[neat heart]

Yes. Vanilla, which I think is good to bring up, essentially had that. Now ideally they fix talents, etc and just make all classes 1-4 buttons like in Vanilla BUT this is good. Essentially, I think at it's core WoW is for nerds who want to kill dragons with their friends. This allows you to do that without such a huge requirement to do so. It leaves the top players the highest difficulty and everyone else can use it. The big complaint I'm seeing is what about the gameplay etc, - I think we've seen players do not really love hitting huge rotations. If you do, then it's still there too. The balancign so far is good. Most specs it's probably enough to clear heroic and nothing else. 1-2 specs (destro / aug) its maybe good enough for 1 -2 bosses in mythic and thats it. Some undertuned ones too. TLDR: Yes - think 1 button is fun gameplay for most

[civic zephyr]

but thats something to work on, not something that should be slapped with a button to take away half of his game play

[civic zephyr]

^

sorry forgot to hit reply

[fair oak]

what do you rp as when you go into priory and there's 4 casters 3 footmen a miniboss and 3 archers

do you rp as jesus

[hybrid crown]

Xalatath

[fair oak]

cause like church and stuff

[hybrid crown]

It would make the footmen happy

[craggy barn]

yea we arent telling him to 1btn, its just his worst thing is movement

[civic zephyr]

i rp as a carpet, since im usually on the floor

[craggy barn]

he makes the silliest movement decisions

[fair oak]

wtf use the one button NOW and you will LIVE

[neat heart]

muffin is gonna call me a slur 😦

[civic zephyr]

LMAOOOOO

[craggy barn]

i wish i had a clip

[hybrid crown]

Have we all seen this macro

/run if not xalfr then xalfr=CreateFrame("ModelScene", nil, UIParent) xalfr:SetPoint("TOP") xalfr:SetSize(512, 512) xalac = xalfr:CreateActor() xalac:SetModelByFileID(5159886) end xalac:SetAnimation(1138) xalac:SetPosition(2,0,0)

[civic zephyr]

just needs to work on his movement tho, like thats kinda the argument im making against the obr in higher content, is it shouldnt just be a free tool to get there

[red zinc]

[craggy barn]

yes

[lime lake]

here you go

[fair oak]

I will NOT run that macro in my game

[craggy barn]

i agree saph

thanks bel ❤️

[sudden fulcrum]

fun is subjective of course but i think the fun in WoW is learning the complexity of your rotation and maximizing output, and i think many people here share that vision. if you can achieve the same or near the same performance of people who have mastered their class and spec, then it feels like what's the point? i dunno. i don't like that idea

also i find it offensive that you think i'd ever use a slur. obscene behavior honestly

[fair oak]

if I want to be a gooner I log on marvel rivals

[neat heart]

no muffin i was jk youve been so nice

[red zinc]

"I've only been polite to everyone" headass

[neat heart]

thats why i said it lol

[craggy barn]

i honestly think 1btn is useful to help in that endeavor as well, but it shouldnt be the main solution

[civic zephyr]

[fair oak]

also ngl I feel like if your aim is CE or good io score then you've already cut yourself off the clique of people rping as a rogue slaying a dragon imo

[lime lake]

god forbid a man have hobbies

[fair oak]

what's your favorite hobby

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel PTR

WAKE UP

ROGUE

[covert kestrel]

SO LO WHAT CHANGED

[fair oak]

I've been logged on permanently in path of exile last few weeks I AM ADDICTED

yooo

[red zinc]

wait a minute

[fair oak]

man I could never get into dnd

[red zinc]

this is literally

last weeks changes

datamined?

is it not?

[hybrid crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/boomkins-nerfed-rogues-buffed-and-many-tier-set-changes-in-latest-patch-11-2-ptr-377752

[neat heart]

Fair, which is I think hopefully still possible for players at the high end. Ideally, players who want to do good just have to learn and can out dps the button within say 1-2 weeks, which I think is there. Overall - I think we've also seen esports in general be not that profitable. This isn't just for WoW either, esports at large bar some games - haven't been great for them. Orgs aren't in the green often. Blizzard shifted attention to M+ / MDI and it isn't attracting new players. They saw the old design do well and as players get older, easier content and shortening the gap between new players / vets is pretty good for getting new players in without having high enough churn from vets (because theyre still pumping). TLDR - youre right about the fun being subjective, however a low number of total WOW (retail / classic / sod) players seem to have a more similar view to casuals)

[hybrid crown]

Grs7hgderg

[red zinc]

bro

[hybrid crown]

Thing

[neat heart]

wow i should quit fucking typing

[fair oak]

a ton of very close friends have dnd weekends and I just play some other games like a bozo

[neat heart]

u guys r right

[vivid vessel]

Solo

[red zinc]

this isnt new

what

[fair oak]

wait you actually woke up

weak mental? go back to bed buddy

[vivid vessel]

Was the ks buff not implemented @gaunt phoenix

I didn't check spell data

[neat heart]

ok im out you guys won but only because of muffin

[vivid vessel]

Got wowhead notification

[neat heart]

i kneel to the muffin chad

[grave rose]

the way the talk is in here, all 20 folks are gonna the button CE

[vivid vessel]

Guys

You can all go away now

[tidal sequoia]

ks buff for utlaw, assa gets 12 flat %

[vivid vessel]

Serious talk only

Back to rogue

Stfu

[red zinc]

no

[vivid vessel]

Nah

[red zinc]

its just the 8% aura from last week for assa

[vivid vessel]

4 to 12

[red zinc]

and the ks change

[vivid vessel]

Ye

It wasn't in?

[red zinc]

apparently not

[timid portal]

Its in

[red zinc]

if they buff assa by another 8%

they're cooked

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/muffin-time-its-muffin-time-muffin-asdfmovie-muffin-day-gif-20693450

[vivid vessel]

I'm a bit confused

[red zinc]

we need solo game data guy

waiting room

[craggy barn]

hm

[red zinc]

[mighty pivot]

it was all the way in

[craggy barn]

the rogue datamine, thats not new right

[red zinc]

yeah no its all old zac

[red zinc]

this confirms that

nothing new

[timid portal]

Or its the old one?

[red zinc]

just the old changes

[vivid vessel]

Ok but

[timid portal]

Ah

[vivid vessel]

It was in tho

I'm confused

[red zinc]

they were already implemented i think wowhead is just trolling

hard

[mighty pivot]

yes wowhead troolin'

[vivid vessel]

Is wowhead just 5 weeks late or what

[timid portal]

Wowhead giving hope

[vivid vessel]

Let me insult them in the comments

They actually woke me up

Btw

[mighty pivot]

ask in comments to bring back combat rogue

[tidal sequoia]

SO IT WAS IN OR WE HAPPY / SAD /SUICIDAL ?

sry caps

[red zinc]

there was a new blue patch note though

for like

banks

so they;re doing something

idk im confused

[vivid vessel]

Mh

Ok

I'm not going to sleep yet

[red zinc]

wait

new blue tracker note

[vivid vessel]

It's early anyway

[red zinc]

uh

[vivid vessel]

Send link

I'm in bed

[red zinc]

yea h its the wowhead one

gotta scroll

1s

[vivid vessel]

Just send mf

Bed

[red zinc]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/ghosts-of-k-aresh-development-notes-577478

yeah theres new changes

not for rogue

[vivid vessel]

No rogue I sleep

[grave rose]

all action bars have been removed, just use the button

[mighty pivot]

they added distract to OBR

[craggy barn]

👀

[red zinc]

what?

why

[grave rose]

valorstones are fucking stupid anyway

[red zinc]

classic lizzard halfway fix

[grave rose]

just remove em, already have to farm the crests

[red zinc]

funny that they're seeminly nerfing stuff

but buffing frost dk by fixing stuff not interacting

[grave rose]

they changed the bank

[tight egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/boomkins-nerfed-rogues-buffed-and-many-tier-set-changes-in-latest-patch-11-2-ptr-377752

[red zinc]

wrong article

thats last weeks changes wowhead is dumb

[mighty pivot]

nice link bozo

[tight egret]

Womp womp

[red zinc]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/577478/8

[polar niche]

ks buffed again

[grave rose]

Im half certain they automate that shit

it just combs for changes and poops out a post

[red zinc]

semi-automatic maybe

[grave rose]

so they can be "faster" than mmo champ

[red zinc]

but they definitely verify stuff before it gets posted

just not this time i guess

[mighty pivot]

i forgot mmochamp still exists tbh

[grave rose]

its actually way less obnoxious than wowhead imo

[red zinc]

regardless it does have this weeks changes in there also

just the rogue ones

are duplicated

for whatever reason

[mighty pivot]

ad?

[red zinc]

mmochamp is okay

idk about better

their datamine articles are a lot more comprehensive for mount models / transmogs etc

[vivid vessel]

Ok so

When are they updating the notes

For rogue changes

They are late a bit I heard

[mighty pivot]

it takes time because they are 3 pages long

[red zinc]

[grave rose]

that and I think what they actually post is less fluff. they change a fucking shoe model from a 10 year old set and wowhead makes four posts about it

NEW SHOE

NEW SHOE Pt2 3 and 4

[red zinc]

that article about brann being naked was lit though

ngl

i read the whole thing

[vestal notch]

its monday, theres 0 chance this are the last notes for the week

[red zinc]

theres a lot of chance

[grave rose]

i prefer to discover naked dwarves on my own

[copper radish]

LFG is too funny. Running a 14 floodgate we are way ahead on time. I DC for not even 20 seconds. Come back and mage left group and ported out LOL

[red zinc]

they really dont do extra patches for ptr outside of the weekly one outside of stealth fixes

for broken shit

[mighty pivot]

"patch is ready to ship boys, enjoy the beaches" 🏖️

[grave rose]

god forbid someone disconnects, its immediately assumed you abandoned.

[copper radish]

it was a resil 14 too lol

[sudden fulcrum]

well most of the time when this happens they did abandon but i probably would have waited at least a minute

[vivid vessel]

Should I login ..

To check ..

If anything changed..

[craggy barn]

someone else can check

u go bed

[tight kernel]

Outlaw buffs

minimal

but buffs

[vivid vessel]

It's last weeks

[frail veldt]

link

[vivid vessel]

Stooop

[red zinc]

there isnt buffs

man

wowhead

fuck wowhead

[grave rose]

the buffed the button, it now makes the 2 closest players to you use the button as well

[south glen]

so the link i just got sent was old buffs bc wowhead was dumb

[red zinc]

for rogue yes

other stuff is new

[copper radish]

double this. saw "rogue buffs" go look and its the old shit lol

[south glen]

i didnt even understand it anyways, assass got a 12% buff across the board and did outlaw even get anything?

[red zinc]

4 to 12% aura buff

[copper radish]

KS

[red zinc]

(8% buff from last week)

[south glen]

all i saw was azerite powers and was confused

[red zinc]

surely valorstones gone next xpac

if they doin this

[south glen]

surely

[red zinc]

i mean honestly

ive not noticed it this expansion

compared to the last

never really ran out of them

[grave rose]

theres always one time I run out of em

[vale warren]

I literally spent all my valorstones on my rogue like an hour ago to buy gear for my monk

[grave rose]

usually pretty early on

[pallid wraith]

I’ve only ever noticed it on super fresh alts

[vale warren]

If you just do raid/keys you get crests faster than you get valorstones

But it's easy enough to do things like delves and awakening the machine and get a couple hundred

[red zinc]

yo this is from last week but

[pallid wraith]

just keeps you from upgrading champ gear on new alts for some reason? i don’t get the point of them

[red zinc]

how bad was the warrior tier set

holy hell

725% increase

[mighty pivot]

blizzard balancing

[toxic star]

thoughts on the azerite power buffs? big or?

[grave rose]

Warrior mage and hunter will always be buffed to at least be decent, very popular classes

[cinder relic]

@vivid vessel we need this level of propaganda going on w/ rogue

[vivid vessel]

Xdddd

[red zinc]

we just got buffs wdym

[south glen]

need more

[grave rose]

You're the celebrity make it happen haha

[vivid vessel]

Did you know ace refound sound, half of it is an azerithe thing sound

[keen belfry]

why they keep skipping rogue guys

[cinder relic]

"Please send more buffs"

[vivid vessel]

You can hear it when you gulp the orbs on dragonflight

[cinder relic]

They dont know warlock OP

[vivid vessel]

The ones that gives valorstones

[sudden fulcrum]

warlock tier is double dipping mastery

[cinder relic]

Nobody knows

[sudden fulcrum]

it's not as good as it looks

[toxic star]

why do you need to ruin it for me

[vivid vessel]

Loo

[grave rose]

I dont want to jinx it, I think a big rework is coming for 12.0. After ION called out outlaw for being unplayable in an interview. Just my 2c though. Theyre not going to put effort into something thats going to be completely different in 6 months

[toxic star]

i dipped in bfa s1 because

[vale warren]

Why are we doing so much pet damage

[cinder relic]

thats sub

[vivid vessel]

Ok but ace sounds so good tho

[cinder relic]

Sectec is pet dmg

[vale warren]

Ohhhhhhhh

[grave rose]

shadow ninja pets

[red zinc]

sex technologies

[toxic star]

• every addict ever

[cinder relic]

SUb lookin like the prog spec again gotta make sure I'm extra crisp yk

a guy like me makes sure to defy expectations every tier

[vivid vessel]

It's true I'm addicted to ace procs

[red zinc]

ay man if they buff ks again

outlaw will be the best burst spec for sure

only 15 buffs to go

[vivid vessel]

Oh no.. no one saw it coming

[cinder relic]

I was starting to believe the shit ppl in sub were saying

[vivid vessel]

I don't even need to look at sub tuning anymore to know it will be meta

[cinder relic]

Was about to boot up sin but then I used my noggin

[vivid vessel]

No need to bother

[cinder relic]

Fr fr

[vivid vessel]

Haha

[mighty pivot]

or... "Killing Spree damage increased by 725%"

[vivid vessel]

Bro got baited

[south glen]

why even is there azerite stuff? it is all passive stuff now? or are azerite powers coming back

[red zinc]

its a remnant

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's all coming back

[red zinc]

shit is still labeled as azerite power

even if its a hero talent/spec talent or whatever

[rough oriole]

Everyone is telling me outlaw is mid af in PTR

chat is this true

[grave rose]

spaghetti code

[red zinc]

if journal is to be believed you will want sub on last boss maybe too

and seems good on 7th also

at that point might as well play it to be warmed up

[cinder relic]

Sub looks good agaiN?

I'm so shocked by this fr

[red zinc]

sub good with instant burst phases?

incredible

[cinder relic]

Another tier where sub is good early prog?

[vivid vessel]

St is garbo tier, you catch up a bit in overall but it's not close to live damage for sure, but the st is so bad that it will get buffed and we are good again, that's my take

[cinder relic]

Colour me shocked

[red zinc]

i dont get why we need two damage amp bosses in a row though

lil goofy

[rough oriole]

understandable thank you for your opinion

[cinder relic]

damn u sound like me more every day

[vivid vessel]

Not an opinion

Straights facts

[rough oriole]

well

you know what i meant

[vivid vessel]

No wtf

[rough oriole]

take the appreciation

[cinder relic]

That's some shit I would say

[red zinc]

outlaw good week 1 -> nerf theory stands

will the inverse be true also

(the inverse should be the only one thats true but its lizzard so)

[vivid vessel]

I think being bad in ptr is ok

That's when. You get buffed

I also think being bad in st is great if you are a m+ enjoyer

[cinder relic]

I mean FDK, Demo, Shadow, MM, BM, Fire, Arcane n shit will get nerfed

Dev too

[vivid vessel]

The moment you get buffed

You blast m+

Ez af

[red zinc]

i mean with the way blizzard has tuned outlaw (horrendous scaling) you'd think they see it as a fuckin scaling spec

good week 1 -> nerf

even though we fall off

[vivid vessel]

Xdd

Ok I think I can go back to sleep now

[red zinc]

eep

[vivid vessel]

Nothing else will come up for sure

[red zinc]

ill dm you otherwise

[vivid vessel]

Legit my phone vibrates for WOWHEAD articles

I'm fine

Easy

Wowhead

[mighty pivot]

where do you keep your phone

[vivid vessel]

Idk why it's capitalized

[vivid vessel]

Next to my balls

I don't want childrens

[mighty pivot]

nice

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[keen belfry]

why did wowhead put our old buffs in those patchntoes

[proper bear]

The radiation actually charges ur balls to make them more powerful

[red zinc]

my kids got the gamma particle fs

[frank finch]

did we get buffed or wowhead reporting old news

[mighty pivot]

slow news day so they reposted last week's changes

[keen belfry]

old.

[red zinc]

WHEN THE NIGHT CRAWLS 🗣️

[frank finch]

[mighty pivot]

you really think that by coincidence they applied the exact same changes a second time? Blizzard would never apply the same change twice

[red zinc]

could see something weird happening with ks

ptr still down so

can check tomorrow

[latent oak]

@cinder relic oi bruv did u bother to uber dot cap ur mamba or did u just chill at normal cap

[spark forge]

More buff to k.s

[red zinc]

no

same buff

shit wowhead article

[spark forge]

?

Oh its the old 1

Just not updatef

🤣🤣

[latent oak]

someone named ryu was just typing

[red zinc]

[mighty pivot]

he can't hurt you now. You are safe

[cinder relic]

uh

https://pobb.in/PcyKhbNoldDQ

[latent oak]

ur uber capped gamer

[cinder relic]

I happened to also have uber dot cap just by scaling damage normally ig

last thing I need to do is get mediums with int on them so I can tattoo 3 int nodes for 15% poison chance and I can drop that 1 node

[vivid vessel]

Is this how people feel like when we talk about outlaw with 15 abbreviations per sentences

[cinder relic]

still cant believe that tot corrupt I got

[latent oak]

i feel bad i stopped that other ryu dude from typing

[cinder relic]

tf u want us to do abt it

I dont mean that in a rude way but like

That shit don't work

They still need to nerf OP specs, rogue isn't that bad rn

[latent oak]

@digital gale send ur message bruv didnt mean to scare u off

[cinder relic]

like 1 more buff, and then the OP specs get nerfed and we chillen

[digital gale]

hahah

[red zinc]

by common logic outlaw is fine rn

(bad first week, st buffs, and then good state)

i just worry they wont buff

but we'll see

[frail veldt]

New here?

[mighty pivot]

RISE UP ROGUES

[red zinc]

not worth to get pressed over, they can reduce ks cast time ideally

[cinder relic]

I mean it's easy to flame blizzard balance cuz it is kinda shit sometimes but after a few weeks/months of the patch they slowly figure it out

[latent oak]

that corruption does go insanely hard

[digital gale]

@latent oak my english isnt great so i have to see if i didnt write it bad

[bright crane]

It’s all the shareholders fault

[cinder relic]

But yeah I mean idk, "Protesting for buffs" doesn't fuckin work

[digital gale]

Hi guys, i have a question, im using the HO Build with the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel / Capo's Molten Knuckles Hero cuz only do M+ and 15% haste, when i switch to Capo's i feel like a need more haste but when i sim seems like i dont need it. Should aim for 15% haste with Capo's and 16% with Nightfall?

[lime lake]

Where is our everyone ping to bully devs for buffs

[cinder relic]

They will see the performance being shit/too good eventually and adjust accordingly, whether we riot or don't riot doesn't change the outcome

[cinder relic]

#gripisntenough

#gripisgoodoneveryfightthistier

#andfrostisovertuned

[mighty pivot]

wdym didn't you see how well the grip hashtag has worked

[red zinc]

imagine caring about not having a raid buff when your class' balance is the raid buff in and of itself

[latent oak]

i'd trust the sims personally but im not 100% up to date on what ho is doing haste level wise

[pliant wave]

I'm just angry about Outlaw's underwhelming performance ever since shadowland s2.

[bright crane]

The real raid buff is the friends you made along the way…

[cinder relic]

[latent oak]

outlaw in current season is performing very well

(in m+)

[cinder relic]

we ignoring DF season 1, and DF season 3, and rn

[red zinc]

outlaw is good plenty

[mighty pivot]

the real raid buff is sending your raider homies pictures of your thigh high socks to increase morale

[red zinc]

theres just always one small thing that could be so easily fixed bugging us

which every class probably has

but makes it feel fake

[latent oak]

do u mean programming socks

[mighty pivot]

ofc

[cinder relic]

just trust the sim

[mighty pivot]

you program better by day you game better by night. win-win

[latent oak]

im a #nosocks gamer

the hogs are out

[bright crane]

Nobody’s programming in a few years when AI takes your jobs

Hehehehehe

[mighty pivot]

grok will take over skynet style

[red zinc]

@grok explain this

[digital gale]

well, i too ussually trust in the sims so im starting to think that i somehow fck up my rotation when i switch haha

[lime lake]

Mechahitler is already sentient

[neat heart]

It’s the one button assistant ai

[red zinc]

any chance you could link the sim?

[digital gale]

yea i gonna do that

[red zinc]

maybe you're switching cudgel into your mainhand?

[digital gale]

na, off hand 100% sure

[red zinc]

ait

just checkin

do whatever sim says then probably a bit placebo

if it feels worse

no reason for that haste difference to matter

[digital gale]

a mental thing i think

[bright crane]

Don’t think

Just vibe

[digital gale]

oh

i like it

[latent oak]

i like this ryu

[proven ocean]

Ryu is back!

[proven ocean]

What the helly u reading my brain

[digital gale]

what

[bright crane]

New and improved Ryu

[digital gale]

another one?

[proven ocean]

dont what me

[latent oak]

there was another dude called ryu who was a psycho

[digital gale]

lol

i am too but only in my house

so

[bright crane]

Just don’t make cringe copypasta pls

[digital gale]

na

[proven ocean]

The older ryu was crazier than a microwave if it was a monster in emerald nightmare

[digital gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ctjsq1PpsTSLQL3vPxMMCT

[latent oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4fUeuAfGo

[digital gale]

I only come to ask some things that i don't understand at all after a few hours of thinking about

so dw about the coppypaste

[mighty pivot]

you are playing HO without GS which needs even less haste than the other builds

[glass mortar]

^

no ghostly HO can range anywhere from 10-15% haste honestly

it doesnt need as much as ghostly

so sims wont tell u to take it

[latent oak]

if things keep feeling off, you can post a log and if ur lucky someone might take a look at it

[neat heart]

Is there a way to see what % of wow players currently have the keystone hero for this patch

[glass mortar]

if u add ghostly and sim it will try to get u equip more up to like ~19%

[mighty pivot]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-2/us or w/e region you want

[digital gale]

i only do M+ so dont think i need GS so much thats why i didnt take it

[neat heart]

Thank you!

[glass mortar]

yes the recommended m+ build doesnt take it

we r just explaining why ur haste requirement in sims is so low

if u get like ~14-15% haste then if u play ghostly HO u can always just haste flask to reach the amount it wants as well

so its a fine place to be

same for playing kir

[digital gale]

so the problem is me? i mean a mental thing

[glass mortar]

or the spec maybe

[neat heart]

Wow so 50% of players do m+ in general and of those only 1/3rd get keystone hero?

[glass mortar]

outlaw just runs into luls sometimes

[wintry solar]

KS buffs yay or nay?

[neat heart]

That’s like what 17%

[glass mortar]

90% of the time its due to misplays adding up, the spec is hard to pplay

but 10% of the time it is just rng

u can just get rng so low u run out of energy and AR and cant cast anything for 2-3s for like 10 seconds in a row

[digital gale]

well i dont think that the 1 buffs rolls just fck up me ... na is me 100%

[digital gale]

thats exactly what happen hahaha

god bless the rng

[bright crane]

It’s the same buff as before. Wowhead reposted it for some reason

[mighty pivot]

the average wow player is much worse than you think

[digital gale]

well thx a lot guys i was thinking about this like 2 weeks and finally i can forget it.

[covert heart]

Alot of wow players cant even get aotc which isnt even that hard to do

[bright crane]

Unironically 9-11 keys are harder than 13+

[covert heart]

11s are a hellscape, 12s are harder than 15s/16s I done

[mighty pivot]

nobody does 9s because they are useless

[covert heart]

2 more crest than an 8😜🤣

[neat heart]

It’s more shocking they don’t even do the content

[bright crane]

They’re gamers that have yet to rise

[covert heart]

Then complain there is nothing 2 do

[bright crane]

Unrisen gamers

[proven ocean]

The game really barely has content

Its not weong

Try other games if ur thinking that way

[covert heart]

The problem is they don't play the content that is there

[proven ocean]

Only good content is m+ and raid

Everything else is dogshit

[covert heart]

I mean most multi-player games don't have shit

They all have the same 3 game modes and thats it

[proven ocean]

Other games are usually packed with alot of shit to do

Like osrs

Ppl like wow because it has great combat gameplay

Rest is super bad

[covert heart]

I will never play runescape more power to peeps who do

[glass mortar]

its funny cause the vast majority of the wow playerbase barely engages with the things u just labeled as the only good content in the game

but i get why you'd feel that way

[proven ocean]

And the population of those ppl is way lower than other games

[mighty pivot]

that's fine tbh. Not all content is for everyone. Some don't pvp, others don't do pet battles. Half the people reaching 2k is "ok" imo

[proven ocean]

surprise

[glass mortar]

what

[proven ocean]

U genuinely think wow is popular now or what

[glass mortar]

brother theres more people online farming mounts in this game then have ever even logged into osrs

[proven ocean]

Its not compared to other big games rn

[glass mortar]

u are on another world rn

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

he thinks im the one coping here

[covert heart]

All those runescape players will come back in a month just like what happened with final fantasy

Like I said though most multi-player games don't have shit atleast the popular ones do

[wintry solar]

Another game is dead convo at the end of another season? Who seem this one coming?

[proven ocean]

Idk why u think its those “osrs players swapping to wow” is real

They’re just onlyfangs

No one else

I’ve been playing it for years

I didnt go there because of them

Its just cool new updates

[covert heart]

I believe that, it actually fits classic players well

[glass mortar]

honestly

im impressed

[covert heart]

They can pull one mob at a time there

[glass mortar]

i didnt realize how much osrs had grown

theres slightly more then half the active playerbase on daily as wow

used to be waaaay less then that

good for them

[proven ocean]

Its popular now yes

Less than wow sure but

Idk

[covert heart]

Good for runescape I wont play it but glad peeps can enjoy it just not for me

[glass mortar]

alot less

60% according to the statistics i can find

[proven ocean]

Wow feels dogshit for the things they have to offer

[glass mortar]

and thats right now with osrs at a peak and wow at a end of season trough

[proven ocean]

Weran

[glass mortar]

i mean sure but

[proven ocean]

Idk why i get this feeling that like

[glass mortar]

thats every mmorpg uve played a ton

[proven ocean]

Wow has less than 1m players

No

[covert heart]

I enjoy my mplus and raid which is all I need just the seasons need to be month shorter

[proven ocean]

Less than 100k even

[quick girder]

finished prog out on sin/sub this tier so im going to fuck around on outlaw for the rest of the season, I just swapped some gear around and am chillin unbuffed at 31% haste, is that an issue being that high over 20 or am i chillin

[glass mortar]

well ur feeling isnt backed up by literally anything other then ur feeling

[proven ocean]

Idk

[glass mortar]

and people have been saying that thing ur feeling for a decade now

but wows still chugging along

[proven ocean]

Im just confused how like

[glass mortar]

beating 100% of the rpg competition

[proven ocean]

There are no players

[glass mortar]

and its not a close race xd

[covert heart]

Players always dip always around there is time

[proven ocean]

Playing in the top end

Like

None

[glass mortar]

yes

because 95% of the game is casuals

[covert heart]

Well yea because the season is practically done

[glass mortar]

who basically dont touch the content u do

thats why it feels empty to u

[proven ocean]

Maybe ye

[glass mortar]

its just funny cause u called the major content 95% of the playerbase engages with really shitty

[covert heart]

Everyone who is .1 percent is gonna chill there and cant really loose it

[glass mortar]

and i partially agree with u, i dont find it fun

but i guess they do

[proven ocean]

Probably idk

I guess ppl dont rly have infinite time

To be super good at wow

[restive obsidian]

There's people lucky to have 2 hrs a week for wow

[proven ocean]

Wow is one of the most time consuming games ive played

[covert heart]

I think most peeps are bad at whatever game they play

[glass mortar]

they just wanna chill and farm old raids and do casual pve and world quests

[proven ocean]

U legit have to play like

[glass mortar]

alot of them even do pet battles

[proven ocean]

8 hrs a day

[glass mortar]

ud be surprised with the wow playerbase tbh

[proven ocean]

To be like

[glass mortar]

yeye if ur trying to be competative

absolutely

[proven ocean]

The best player or atleast top 3

[glass mortar]

it eats ur life

which is why the topend playerbase dries up towards the mid/end of each tier

playing the game as a job

once uve "beaten" ur content u wanna go play something new and fun

[proven ocean]

i played wow too much whenever i play any other game i feel bad because of the amount of effort i put in wow

Im like i cant just leave what i built

[covert heart]

I think really any multi-player game you gotta play a shit ton to be top end

[glass mortar]

like high end players like u play this game like a seasonal game far more then casuals

theres a reason so much shit blizz does seems to be aimed at casuals

they are more reliable consumers and payers

[covert heart]

Not just a wow thing

[glass mortar]

mhm

[proven ocean]

Even within top 5 of a specific class theres a big gap

U just dont really see it easily if ur not super good enough

[covert heart]

Oh I know there is a gap its just like league though the gaps can be huge at roles

And shooters people can just be insane

[proven ocean]

Wow has a lot of details in gameplay once u reach the highest point in m+

Probably the same for raid but i wont approach that

Cba 15 charecters

Doesnt sound fun to me

[covert heart]

But I would say wow is prob top 3 hardest game to get into

[proven ocean]

Especially for melee comps

[covert heart]

And play well

[proven ocean]

Melee comps are probably the hardest way to do m+

Like ever

[glass mortar]

entry level for wow is alot lower then it has been historically they are trying to make it new player friendly

but it still has a pretty high barrier yea

[proven ocean]

You pre assign every important mob’s kicks, specific movements on ALL areas

[glass mortar]

just kinda the type of game it is honestly

[proven ocean]

Specific pulls and how they’re pulled

Which u dont do on -1 key level of the highest keys

[proven ocean]

How crazy is that

[covert heart]

I mean I cant imagine the entry for eve. Other than like 300k🤣

[proven ocean]

U see the big gap here?

Just 1 key level

Changes everything

Part of why pugs aren’t getting resilient 20 until after so many weeks

Meanwhile we get resil 20 in 1 week

Why? Because of alot of preplanning and how big of a difference it is to just go 1 level under

It becomes so much easier

[latent oak]

have u played surv at all recently/is it still similar to the s1 playstyle

[glass mortar]

no

its better then it was at start of s2 but still stinky imo

too much MB, value of ks and ES still piss

no butchery almost ever and when u do run it u do negative st

honestly very sad with where its going to end up

[latent oak]

unlucky

[red zinc]

Maybe for the very highest keys

19s now (and maybe a few 20s) are definitely easier with melee than ranged comps

Glad i dont have to assign shit and just live through a stray interrupt going through

[glass mortar]

@covert kestrel hows the flooding down there

i almost had to ditch my car and shelter in place on my drive home from upstate work today

[proven ocean]

low keys u just dont care at all

even 20s are all easy

same with priory

i mean 20s super early on

[red zinc]

Ye i mean

[glass mortar]

mfw the last hour of my "drive" home (it took that long to go 4 miles) my phone was vibrating with the highest level of emergency flood watch warning

[red zinc]

For me personally i tried playing dk in some 16/17s before turbo boost

[covert kestrel]

my street in the city is looking mostly ok, but worried about my sisters place theyve had bad flooding in the past

[red zinc]

The amount of shit people wanted to assign

in a pug without vc?

Jeezus

[glass mortar]

good to hear, brooklyn usually gets it the worst

[dawn talon]

im in central jersey right next to the delaware and the flooding is a little spooky

[sudden fulcrum]

good thing you're pirate spec

[glass mortar]

yea its crazy they closed the highway i was on because large portions of it were a river and cars were getting trapped

i got off 5 minutes before i woulda gotten stuck

🙏

[covert kestrel]

yeah queens is seeming alright, my gf was getting after work drinks and got stranded hope shes not too sloshed

[covert kestrel]

jeez

[glass mortar]

its very bad

[red zinc]

global warming is not real btw

[covert kestrel]

glad youre good

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

some of the sketchest rain ive ever driven in ngl

[red zinc]

Totally not getting twice the amount of terrible climate events as 20 years ago

[covert kestrel]

it was straight sideways here

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

you know how during a normal rainstorm if ur highway driving (like 80mph+) the rain has so much force u cant even hear ur radio

it was that bad while i was sitting in lines of cars waiting for lights

couldnt even listen to the radio

[red zinc]

Always love crazy rain for like an hour when im at home

And then my kitchen starts leaking

[covert kestrel]

thats a "throw on hazards and drive 30mph below the speed limit" kinda vibe

[red zinc]

my kitchen ceiling split in two last year

Was not pog

[glass mortar]

yea i was at 20 on the highway and there was only like 3 other cars because everyone else was pulling off with hazards on. you had like 2 foot visibility

if this shit continues all night my commute into nyc is going to be turbofucked tomorrow

[covert kestrel]

its pretty much completely stopped here now so hopefully you're all gucci

[desert tendon]

Weran

are you at 100k delves done already?

or are you slacking your ass off?

[upbeat tundra]

do you think anyone has ever woken up and be like "dude lets just have a full day of delving that sounds so fun"

just been super amped to delve

[covert kestrel]

The radar looks like a wiener lmao

[unborn basin]

big wet one

[glass mortar]

thats me right in the shaft

[glass mortar]

ive slowed down

barely getting 4-6 delves a week

the problem is i dont wanna do em if they arent overcharged cause i wanna fill the tree

and my brann has been capped for 15 years

uncap brann

😠

[frail veldt]

Wdym? We've been very well tuned for most of the seasons

S3 DF and this season we've been pretty great

S3 was better obv but still

[wintry solar]

But we don't do as much damage as mage during CDs

So obv we're bad

[late swallow]

Probably delve enjoyers

[wintry solar]

Me....

LFG is another form of pvp

[daring yoke]

guys how come bank got a rework before rogues

[wintry solar]

Didn't even need a rework tbh but it's whatever

[eager rose]

Banks > rogues

[wintry solar]

More people use the bank than people play rogues

Simple as

I still don't know what makes void storage special

[late swallow]

The valorstone reset thing really took like almost 2 expacs to do

Unbelievable

[wintry solar]

Reset?

I missed that note

Ohhh I see

[eternal pumice]

Guys, what classes can't I beat in DPS?

[wintry solar]

Why not just remove valorstones?

It's such an arbitrary gate to upgrade gear

[eternal pumice]

ambuster or keep it rolling

[wintry solar]

Do both

Pretty even

Be the well rounded person

[frank finch]

zac promised me we would get more buffs

[wintry solar]

And what did we learn?

[frank finch]

cant rust zac just as much as i cant trust zeross

unlucky

[wintry solar]

I only listen to the greenies

And Tob

[mighty pivot]

isn't this a paradox?

[south glen]

is dungeon slice a good sim for outlaw?

[wintry solar]

How so?

[glass mortar]

ya

[mighty pivot]

if he only listens to greenies he shouldn't listen to you asking of him to listen only to greenies

[wintry solar]

Greenies, Tobfon and, Weran.

[wintry solar]

Oh I see

Don't listen to me

[mighty pivot]

definitely not

[wintry solar]

Look man

[mighty pivot]

[wintry solar]

I just know what I like 💅

Ay you little shit

[mighty pivot]

yaaas queen

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[covert kestrel]

and remove one of the last true skill expressions in wow?

[wintry solar]

What a redditor thing to say

[covert kestrel]

dont insult me like that

[wintry solar]

I saw redditor, I say redditor. It wasn't an insult. Just an observation.

🪤

[civic zephyr]

Rip rogue

[wintry solar]

Let's not rip rogue ty

Sub sure, no one cares for them

[torpid fiber]

nah even reddit doesn't like valourstones

[wintry solar]

That's crazy

[torpid fiber]

makes sense tbh

they fit exactly into the type of stuff reddit doesn't like: they're a thing that annoy you

reddit hates all friction

[wintry solar]

Well there are so many cooked takes on reddit that I thought Frontier was just mocking what he saw on reddit.

[glass mortar]

nobody likes valorstones

they are purely pain causing timegate currency that makes alts even more miserable

[gaunt phoenix]

mage dude was unbanned, interesting

[mighty pivot]

conclusion: haxx are ok if you are a mage player

[daring oxide]

did we get anything

in patch notes

[craggy barn]

no

[daring oxide]

ok back to sleep gn

[craggy barn]

i hate to break it to yall

but no one enjoys rogue

[wintry solar]

I will in Remix

Stealthless KiR inc

I hope it's that unbalanced at least

[glass mortar]

gunna level my warlock in remix

last thingy i have to max

[sudden fulcrum]

i made a rogue in MoP classic and it was so shitty to have combo points on targets again

[wintry solar]

I leveled a rogue in classic thinking the CP change was in MoP. Imagine my disappointment.

Time lost

And then they made all those class changes

No CP change

[daring oxide]

they didn't make KS 25% faster 😦

SAD TIMES

BED TIMES

[wintry solar]

But they reduced the CD of Redirection

[pliant trench]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[late swallow]

Make combo points target specific

And bring back redirect

But put it on restless

[wintry solar]

I'm starting to think Ryu never got banned

[late swallow]

Ryu wasn’t one guy

He was an idea

[shy flume]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[crimson thicket]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[crimson thicket]

@marsh monolith

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[wintry solar]

Imagine we used that logic when perma coup was a thing

[proven ocean]

this is gonna kill M+

next season

this whole flagged for leaving bullshit

its the worst system ever

legit locks ur entire instance till u do some dumb fuccking voting system as if ur living in the 70s

[sudden fulcrum]

truly a testament to the power of mages

main character in game, powerful enough to be unbanned

[wintry solar]

I absolutely cannot wait to see every DH is flagged

[sudden fulcrum]

is there no feat they cannot accomplish?

[wintry solar]

Does everyone get flagged for leaving or is it just the first leaver?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/rome-gladiator-gif-26304953

[gentle geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-gif-394218174908076546

NO

NO

NO

[gaunt phoenix]

so the outlaw chat

is where you should bring it

[proven ocean]

Idk but it’ll suck for premades

And random ass pigs will like it that play 1 hr every 5 weeks

[desert tendon]

brann level 42069 when?

[keen belfry]

sorry @sudden fulcrum

[sudden fulcrum]

look at this fuckin weirdo

[gentle geyser]

AWANG?

AWANG @keen belfry

[wintry solar]

I see nothing wrong

[keen belfry]

imagine u list a key

and a warrior whisps you

my response was appropriate

i didnt know muffin war was muffin rogue

[wintry solar]

There's a monk in lfg that keeps finding me and calling me piggy

[cedar berry]

Do you squeel tho

[wintry solar]

I have "WEEEEEEEEEEEEE" macroed to KS

[cedar berry]

Close enough

[wintry solar]

It used to be a warning but pug healers don't listen

So now I gotta be annoying

[sudden fulcrum]

warrior is my backup for S3 in case rogue sucks

[tender wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-ducktales-ducktales2017-house-of-the-lucky-gander-gulp-gif-21467706

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-coward-disappointed-gif-4024901

[wintry solar]

Real outlaws play it whether ots good or bad

And also both HO and KiR

[keen belfry]

my bad cuh.

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-incorrect-you-got-it-wrong-false-gif-8877109044393951791

[wintry solar]

I can put a keyboard between my booty cheeks and still do better than you

You are but food to me

[mystic peak]

were you guys able to solo 8 masic horrific visions

this is a fucking nightmare man

[dim parrot]

No

[lone spear]

ye

[sudden fulcrum]

i like delves. they're easy and relaxing. by the time i finish one my food is usually delivered. great way to gear alts or get some crests

[lone spear]

it can be tough, especially with lower gear

my advice is to talent into elusiveness, and make sure you're spamming evasion

[sudden fulcrum]

once your Brann is leveled you can crush them even in shitty gear

you can take them as slowly or as quickly as you want too so they're nice if you don't know if you will be interrupted in the near future

[dim parrot]

Not my kind of content but I like that it’s beginner friendly

Wow playerbase is mostly veterans

Content for new people that isn’t overwhelming on top of learning your class is good

[lone spear]

i mean if they were a massive flop and no one did them, then they probably would be adding more every patch

granted we'll see come midnight if they continue them

but i think theyre serving a decent chunk of the community

[dim parrot]

The dev team is spread thin enough as is unfort

[lone spear]

idk its hard to tell because ye the stuff theyre releasing is buggy

but shits always been buggy its wow

[dim parrot]

It’s like new vehicles

[lone spear]

the problem moreso is its all not really engaging

[dim parrot]

More bells and whistles = more issues

[lone spear]

like dastardly duos probs took a decent chunk of time to make

but no one ive seen has enjoyed doing them

[dim parrot]

Even the disc belt

Like

[lone spear]

or have even done them at all xdd

[dim parrot]

I equip a new belt because it says +dps but now some of the settings pull me out of stealth etc.

Doesn’t change gameplay at all

[sudden fulcrum]

this is such a bizarre feature. idk if it was bugged or what but it seems to be a lot like attacking target dummies

i thought it was gonna be old bosses with their real mechanics

probably most disappointing feature in TWW for me

[lone spear]

yea, especially because if they just did brawlers guild

[lime lake]

the real insult is they compared it to brawlers guild

[lone spear]

which would take less time and effort tbh