outlaw

[edgy phoenix]

it went from 5 to 8

now

[prisma vessel]

or you mean the 5>8

oh

yeah

[edgy phoenix]

most random bs ever

[prisma vessel]

like idk why they did that

[balmy topaz]

Their reasoning

Was that there’s more magic dmg in the game than physical

So chaos brand effectively does more

So they wanted to buff it so it had more relevance

[prisma vessel]

thats.... not how that works.

but ok blizz

xD

[balmy topaz]

I mean if that’s the case they should do the same for atrophic

[wintry solar]

Surface level it makes sense

[balmy topaz]

Atrophic sucks

[prisma vessel]

exactly my point

[balmy topaz]

But it does make some sense

[edgy phoenix]

rogue m+ utility is garbage

i wont be surprised if rogue isnt even played in phys godcomp

[balmy topaz]

You used to take rogue for mass control

[edgy phoenix]

next sez

[balmy topaz]

Now you don't take it for anything

You take it for the player

You used to take rogue

For Shroud

then they gave that to mage

[edgy phoenix]

yeah shroud used to have so much value

[prisma vessel]

mhmm

[edgy phoenix]

nowdays u just skip with pots and soothe

[prisma vessel]

ill be playing because i enjoy the rotation, but im expecting pugging to be a nightmare.

[wintry solar]

First they made that affix in bfa that let you skip mobs

[balmy topaz]

Just do your own keys

It’s so much more worth

[prisma vessel]

thats the plan come S3

[balmy topaz]

Or guild keys

[prisma vessel]

yerp

[wintry solar]

Love me those "drama free" guilds

[balmy topaz]

You know when you split off into 5 groups of 5

Come back for raid

And 4 people have fallen out

Due to some shit in a key

[prisma vessel]

typical clicks.

[reef ruin]

always a circlejerk in those guilds

[wintry solar]

I love how it's always the "I never start anything, trouble just follows me" person in every drama free guild

[reef ruin]

They can never answer "Why did you leave your old guild"

[wintry solar]

When I advertise my guild, I never mention drama free.

That's dumb

There absolutely is drama and it's usually when we drink during raid and we call everyone bad

[sharp moat]

is it possible to cancel killing spree in live?

[late swallow]

Nope

[prisma vessel]

current season woes.

was a plus 7

for crests

xD

[wintry solar]

I hate keys where no one talks

[prisma vessel]

that too

probably saw my "hey" was like "WTF GET OUT"

[wintry solar]

I just leave when no one says hi back

[prisma vessel]

i might start

[lime lake]

its because you didnt say meowdy

start every key with meowdy to assert dominance

and you'll never be kicked again

[prisma vessel]

true

ill test that next time xD

[wintry solar]

Get the Owospeak addon

[prisma vessel]

so far the meowdy worked

xD

but nobody responding yet

[wintry solar]

Leave

You worth more than that gurl 💅

[prisma vessel]

i got a live group 😄

ITS ALIVE

[wintry solar]

The Heavy keeps finding its way into my gothic metal playlist

Type O Negative is totally the same vibe as Short Change Hero

[vivid vessel]

im just saying

people used to look at outlaw

in normal comps

now for some reason the new baseline is playing outlaw with a comp with 20% buffs for you

thats crazy to me

[balmy topaz]

Funny thing is

we're gonna be balanced around that now

[red zinc]

yippee

what did we even play back in s3 outside of the triple rogue / rogue warr memes

ret mage rogue mw vdh?

[balmy topaz]

Aug + warrior + Resto sham ++ Bear tank

[red zinc]

what the helly

[balmy topaz]

Pretty sure it was Bear tank season then

[vivid vessel]

outlaw was in the mage comp

[red zinc]

definitely wasnt bear tank season

[vivid vessel]

outlaw sp mage priest heal/mw and dh tank

[red zinc]

That was the most broken vdh state of all time

[balmy topaz]

ohh ye

[vivid vessel]

and outlaw did damage in that comp

is my entire point

like why

do we look

at outlaw

in a melee comp only now

???

nothing changed

nothing

[red zinc]

I mean in fairness if outlaw was tuned now as it was then

with all raid buffs

Itd be a problem

[vivid vessel]

ok but you could play all raid buffs back then aswell

lol

wox does it every season

hje did aswell back then

i dont remember

[red zinc]

yeah i mean like

[vivid vessel]

poeple saying

it was an issue

[red zinc]

8% now

[vivid vessel]

thats 3% more

we are talking about 15/20% already

3% wont change much

[red zinc]

I mean aint it like 4% multiplied with the other buffs

Nitpicking i guess

Regardless

monk buff change is stupid

[vivid vessel]

im just saying

[red zinc]

Sub is unplayable without skyfury and while that buff actually changes gameplay somewhat

[vivid vessel]

people got used of seeing outlaw with the melee buffs

and now for some reason

[red zinc]

That damage % gain is about the same

[vivid vessel]

its the new baseline

so

what

you dont play outlaw at all in other comps ?

no one acts like that with assa

[covert kestrel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1lzhp6y/jesus_christ_what_did_they_do_to_outlaw_rogue/

babe wake up its time for the weekly "i played outlaw for 30 mins and think it needs a full rework" reddit thread

[red zinc]

assa scales with every buff

to a lesser extent

Outside of mage ofc

[vivid vessel]

i got kicked on ptr cause low damage btw

[wintry solar]

Before reading it, they talk about stealth

[red zinc]

its just god comp despair shit

aug changed peoples’ mindsets

in a bad way

[vivid vessel]

you put it in the s1 comp it only scales with dh so

idk about that

i think its unfair that for outlaw we look at a baseline with all raid buffs

[covert kestrel]

1. stealth in solo content bad
2. bring back combat
3. why does outlaw revolve around stealth

All are free spaces in outlaw thread bingo

[vivid vessel]

and every other spec in the game we dont

but thats just zeross spamming for 3 weeks stupid shit

starting to gaslight people

even stelathi

so

whatever

[balmy topaz]

Ye agreed

I mean look at the key you just done....

The fact you are that far behind randos

Is wild

[vivid vessel]

ye but you dont have your buffs

[red zinc]

At least st is the major issue

Might actually be resolved from raid

[vivid vessel]

and stealthi managed to say

we needed a 8% st buff

and a 10% bf nerf

wild stuffs

[red zinc]

you and stealthi should make out it sounds like

[torpid fiber]

this thread pissed me off the person didn't play the spec for 5 years and then wondered why it was different

[vivid vessel]

idk the spec is half the spec it is on live

and for some reason its op

on live there is 2 outlaw players

one trick outlaw btw

everyone else plays assa

[red zinc]

why are you letting zeross get in your head

[vivid vessel]

surely outlaw is that much better

ye true

its not zeross

its stealthi

that got gaslight

by zeross

which is wild work

[red zinc]

Just laugh at him for getting trolled by zeross then

shit aint worth worrying about like that

[torpid fiber]

like yes there's a ton of changes but they happened one-by-one a step at a time
it's actually very clear what they did to outlaw if you don't skip 5 years of changes

[red zinc]

most realistic scenario is that we just get an st buff that indirectly buffs aoe slightly also (the compensatory aoe nerfs are usually not big enough)

[frank finch]

Half the spec

[red zinc]

and we get a spec that plays somewhat the same albeit longer ks

[frank finch]

Tryna gaslight me?

[red zinc]

Which months ago we wouldve all been okay with

[vivid vessel]

yer

[red zinc]

they could fix it super fast but whatever

Not playing around some bullshit minigame of not dying is already an improvemebt

[balmy topaz]

[late swallow]

good morning ruby

[balmy topaz]

Good morning

[desert tendon]

you guys wanna play outlaw in physical comp

but tell me

what does outlaw brings to it?

[gaunt phoenix]

atrophic poison

[desert tendon]

sololeveling got the point

nothing

cant wait for the day when rogue will be out of phys comp

and doom will start

[mighty pivot]

Was it a fdk initiating the kick?

[hasty warren]

@vivid vessel Is ot normal I've a sub icon as outlaw ? (also something for poison idk it is)

[latent oak]

is that awangs ui

very nice

[hasty warren]

wait the wa is broken lol

[red zinc]

he uses custom icons

[hasty warren]

I'm using it since a while but idk why it's bugged now

[remote pecan]

has getting free HoF title just by joining a guild always been a thing?

[red zinc]

yes

[proven ocean]

hes not wrong tho

thats what me and guy have been saying for a long time

[hasty warren]

I juste changed the loading conditions to be when I'm plaing rogue

[proven ocean]

gameplay feels weird now

[mighty pivot]

It looks like you have duplicates

[latent oak]

gameplay feels very good now

[proven ocean]

no it doesnt

cooked take

[hasty warren]

i'm trying a reload will see if it's the case

[vivid vessel]

well no

but you fucked it up

not me

you preolly messed with the loading conditions

[hasty warren]

bro did nothing special xd

[mighty pivot]

Thanks, Zac for ruining that guy's WAs

[vivid vessel]

I mean

you clearly did

lol

just install it again from scratch

you have like

3 of it

on top of each other

rn

[hasty warren]

Y I wanted to put only loaded when i'm on a rogue

[vivid vessel]

you prolly removed the loading conditions

ye well

its already like that so

you fucked it up

now you see all 3 on all 3 specs

[hasty warren]

k

I saw it was loaded while I was playing another class

k I reinstall it it's as before now

sry for bothering

[latent oak]

zac likes being bothered

[hasty warren]

oh also I'm trying ur dj wa, how can I change the talent/item reminder ?

ok I find it nvm

[quaint mauve]

really? time to join a HoF guild

[dim parrot]

Idk if blue notes can save outlaw rn

Being tuned around 20% buffs is gonna be an issue I think

[sudden fulcrum]

yep time to reroll to SV hunter

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[dim parrot]

8% mystic touch increase is ???

Nerf it to 3% and buff phys damage dealers ?? Like ?????

Ok now we can only play with monk

[late swallow]

they should tune down phys classes to account for the mystic touch buff imo

[sudden fulcrum]

fortunately the tank in my group already plays brewmaster

[red zinc]

they should buff monk buff to 100% and nerf everyone damage by 50%

[gaunt phoenix]

we should play monk

[late swallow]

how's your monk apl?

[covert kestrel]

make mystic touch stack

[dim parrot]

Ok now you’re cooking

[hybrid crown]

I'm going to keep playing outlaw and have fun

[dim parrot]

You must be him

The dev that did it

[late swallow]

an insane cook fronteir

worth a realz ping?

i'm thinking it is

[covert kestrel]

sorry wrong answer, it must be zac as the only outlaw rogue

[hybrid crown]

They should increase KS duration by 200% and make KS work like convoke

[covert kestrel]

proc KiR 5 times in ConvokeKS and get 6 buff for 5 minutes

[dim parrot]

I actually love outlaw gameplay right now just tune us fairly and don’t make us comp dependent

[late swallow]

increased KS duration, make it empowered before the cast time, and make it a targeted ground ability like DND

[dim parrot]

After season 1 they said they were going to make dungeon pools less comp dependent

[vivid vessel]

well

dungoens

[wintry solar]

Well

[vivid vessel]

not like

specs

[wintry solar]

Should aura buff mages tbh

It's been about 24 hours

[late swallow]

would be cool if you couldn't open certain doors in dungeons without a specific class

[wintry solar]

Bout due for another buff

[hybrid crown]

Your m+ group can have 6 players if one of them is a rogue because sneaky

[red zinc]

[late swallow]

would be really cool if you need a mage, priest, or boomkin for every single dungeon

without them, you can't open the room to the last boss

@vivid vessel happy bastille day

vive la france

[red zinc]

luxembourg clears

[late swallow]

french riders in le tour are going full gas today

[covert kestrel]

if you keep talking about le tour to zac he finna block you like ross too

[late swallow]

nah zac is a huge tour fan

he was dm'ing me saying how vauquelin has GC potential

[torpid fiber]

group chat potential

[late swallow]

you a huge le tour enthusiast?

[torpid fiber]

no

I just don't know what GC means here

[late swallow]

general classification

[torpid fiber]

Ah

[wintry solar]

Grand Challenge

[dim parrot]

Yeah that’s what I mean

If their over-arching goal is less comp restrictions

Then wtf are they doing to phys comp buffs

[fiery viper]

hopefully they roll back/make changes around it. I haven't seen a single bit of positive feedback regarding MT buff

[dim parrot]

If you want phys comps to be good

Add utility to classes like rogue and warrior to make up for lack of ranged options, or at least buff the baseline damage

[sudden fulcrum]

you aren't restricted to only playing with monks, it's just more optimal. the same way there are optimal comps now

[dim parrot]

Or smth

[vivid vessel]

8%

[dim parrot]

lol

The gearing and talent lengths we go to for 2-3% dps

[ember mantle]

i saw the pin about canceling KS but besides that is outlaw much different?
new to the spec was about to look through all the guides but maybe i just wait if theyre super off from how season 3 plays

[covert kestrel]

it won't be very much different

[sudden fulcrum]

unfortunately outlaw is dogshit tier so it won't matter https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611326455019733014/1394311819199516722/Screenshot_20250714-093708.png?ex=68765992&is=68750812&hm=3eb1a9f88e0fe3c7dd974f4229c5b82588d325de77de38f0bfe8b1259329f507&

[gaunt phoenix]

next season, we will use loaded dice talent instead of sleight of hand

this means roll the bones rules will be different

but otherwise no that's kind of it

[covert kestrel]

shut down #outlaw its been good lads

[dim parrot]

Wtf is that tier list lol

Even hypothetically

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-16619545362715850890

[dim parrot]

Why is BM F

[covert kestrel]

"Brought to you by the wheel" is the key part of that screenshot

[sudden fulcrum]

[dim parrot]

Oh lmao

[sudden fulcrum]

tier list enjoyers can't read they will never see that

[dim parrot]

Whooosh

[gaunt phoenix]

also vanish rules for trickster will probably change a bit

because killing spree's cooldown is longer, you can afford to more officially hold vanish for coup instead of just ks

[ember mantle]

ok how is outlaw/the tier set ACTUALLY

[gaunt phoenix]

what do you mean how? and which tier?

[covert kestrel]

Somewhere between unplayable and god tier

[ember mantle]

pfffft
fair enough

[simple dagger]

So where does the new Killing Spree fit in the rotation? Same place but at 0 Combo Points?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's still a finisher

have to spend at normal cps

should be the same rules as live

[dim parrot]

Is channel shorter with less CP’s btw?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[ember mantle]

meant next seasons and numbers/feeling
numbers could change even though considering its rogue the chances arent great
but maybe it feel good idk

[dim parrot]

Gameplay is preference

Tuning is up in the air

[simple dagger]

Oh okay I thought it was a CP generator

[covert kestrel]

its both

[gaunt phoenix]

it spends cp and then also builds cps during its duration

[simple dagger]

oh that's kinda sick I guess

Cool cool well that's even better than I was thinking, thanks folks

[balmy topaz]

No it's duration is omega long which is not nicce

[covert kestrel]

could be but due to trickster having gameplay tied to specific builders it ends up being a lil wonky

[carmine geode]

If I'm at 3 stacks of CDG with 1 free proc of Unseen Blade but at max CP. Should I send vanish or use a SS even if I'm at max CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

Raid tuning is low
key tuning is fine

Fatebound tier is goated
Trickster tier is fine

Fatebound will be used in the raid and will feel good
Trickster will be used in keys and aoe raid bosses, it's slightly awkward

there are some gripes about killing spree's duration being so long it is worth to cancel it, and also the trickster 2pc tier has a noticeable delay you have to react to

[late swallow]

love seeing FB get so much love

FB GOATED

[gaunt phoenix]

HO is probably dead, KIR will be the way

[late swallow]

KiR FB chads will see their time in the sun again

[covert kestrel]

[vast frost]

the opportunity has become too hidden

[covert kestrel]

PIN IT SOLO

[exotic gale]

why do you outlaw guys like kir more? just because its harder to play and does more dmg?

[gaunt phoenix]

You should vanish

we're not sub, coup isn't strong enough to munch a bunch of resources for

generally

[ember mantle]

yeah its really a shame fatebound doesnt aoe like at all
at least flavor-wise i greatly prefer it
but also i like my 1 hour tricks in keys

part of me kinda wishes HO wasnt that much worse since its definitely easier to pick up but im not upset over it

[balmy topaz]

Would it not depend on how many vanish stacks you had?

[gaunt phoenix]

they are asking if you should literally press SS at max cps

[covert kestrel]

KiR 6 buffs twice is a high worth chasing

[gaunt phoenix]

that's not a thing

[balmy topaz]

Ohh right yeye we discussed this with awang the other day

[gaunt phoenix]

In the opener sometimes you have a guaranteed coup and 2 stacks of vanish

the official rule is to vanish but some people would feelcraft otherwise

it's probably fine either way

still would hesitate to lose any CDR on vanish

[lone spear]

it varies, like for me i was playing KiR early in tier but got bored and swapped to HO

doesnt stop me from doing good, they're close enough that skill and luck still make a diff

[daring oxide]

Is killing spree going to be used for FB?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[daring oxide]

My feelycraft is telling me to vanish first then do double coup inside vanish LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

😨

[daring oxide]

So we get the cdr in

Like

[vivid vessel]

yuck

[daring oxide]

Vanish > coup > BTE > coup

Like that

I dunno

Just double coup is so much cdr

But maybe it’s better to coup first anyways and then have a higher FF stacks for the vanish after

Dunno

I mean

It could be like this

Opener > KS > Coup>coup > vanish?

Maybe I’m being an idiot

[covert kestrel]

[sudden fulcrum]

what's the point of feelcrafting when there are established guides that tell you what is optimal?

[languid coral]

@vivid vessel was watching your stream you using the same KIR build as s2 or anything changed at all

[vivid vessel]

sleight > loaded

[gaunt phoenix]

usually feelcrafting has to do with something that doesn't happen often enough to affect sim averages

[vivid vessel]

solo

[gaunt phoenix]

!?!?!?!?!

[vivid vessel]

im basically holding vanish for coup

always

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

on ptr

it works nicely

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt try to sim it but i know it will be a thing

[vivid vessel]

ye

but sincerly im starting to hate ub so much

its so shit trying to like

predict you are going to have coup

and then you dont have it

[fossil charm]

guys sometimes i can use 3 boe in line without wasting points.
Anyone know what is the talent behind it? or is it just crackshot?
ty

[vivid vessel]

or getting coup when you didnt expect it

[vivid vessel]

ace

ace up your sleeve

[gaunt phoenix]

bte has a chance to refund 5cps

[fossil charm]

ah so it's a chance

not sure

[vivid vessel]

about 35% on average

[fossil charm]

ah , well

ok

[vivid vessel]

its 5% per cp

[fossil charm]

thank you

i'll go back checking my logs to understand why i suck so

thank you guys

[vivid vessel]

hm

outlaw logs kinda shit to look at

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[gaunt phoenix]

ye you cant really see what you were supposed to be reacting to in the moment

[fossil charm]

i know and usually dmg variate from time to time since sometimes you just keep rolling shit

[gaunt phoenix]

cant see the cooldowns on stuff

[fossil charm]

ah

nice

but wait a sec

so you don't go vanish after killing?
if i open with ad - rtb - Gs - Ks then i go vanish

like this i can reset it with cds

[gaunt phoenix]

you do vanish after ks

[fossil charm]

yep

[gaunt phoenix]

ad - rtb - Gs - Ks

you dont do this though

you dont ks immediately

on pull, you are in a 6 second stealth window

where bte has priority over ks

as a finisher

you ks after stealth is over

[fossil charm]

oh , right

[gaunt phoenix]

and then build to vanish

[fossil charm]

so you go ad - rtb - boe - (maybe boe) - blade - gs -ks

or i can use gs for boe too , but like this i desync with ks

[keen belfry]

Gs BTE

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont sync GS with stuff

you just press it, or you lose cooldown reduction on it

also you typed blade, as in blade flurry?

[fossil charm]

i should max my dmg in gs 15 sec windows

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are expecting aoe then you bf before the pull

[keen belfry]

This isn’t really a thing for outlaw sir senape

[fossil charm]

don't i waste aoe generating points like this?

[fossil charm]

ty , trying to learn it , too difficult

[keen belfry]

Solo will give u the goods

[gaunt phoenix]

you need blade flurry to be active to deal aoe damage at all

ad - rtb - boe - (maybe boe) - blade - gs -ks

in this case blade flurry is not active for some bte globals

[fossil charm]

hmm so i go blade before bte

?

[gaunt phoenix]

Use bf before the pull

[fossil charm]

so just for the strike buff not for the points

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry > stealth > adr > rtb > gs > bte

then you are in a stealth window for 6 seconds where you build with the proper builders and spend on bte, and possible rtb again if you need to rtb

then after stealth you build to ks, then you build to vanish bte

[frail veldt]

Wow mage disc mod banned

For "investigating how the game works"

Flagged as cheatingb

[fossil charm]

okok , so i don't go stealth - ad - rtb at start of the key

[gaunt phoenix]

Ghostly strike has like, 84% uptime

[frail veldt]

Was a perma and reduced to 18 months from appeal

Wiiiiiild

[gaunt phoenix]

and deals its own damage and generates cps

it's better to just hit it

[fossil charm]

ok thank you a lot

just one last question

[covert kestrel]

what does this mean in reality lol

[fossil charm]

if i hit bf then stealth before pull am i not wasting bf buff uptime?

[vivid vessel]

wtf does this mean

investigating how the game works

[frail veldt]

No clue

[fossil charm]

maybe messing up with api

[frail veldt]

That's what they said

[gaunt phoenix]

you do but BF does not tick down during adrenaline rush

[frail veldt]

I can post the post but it's big

[fossil charm]

perfect , man you are a god. Thank you a lot

[vivid vessel]

what api

that means nothing

[frail veldt]

Lolol

I'm guessing he was trying to maybe record game data or something

Deeper logging maybe?

Using a cheat engine type program

Which tracks game memory

That's how I used to cheat when I was younger in single player games

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry cooldown is really low so you will probably end up using it for CPs shortly into the opener even if you use it before the pull

[frail veldt]

Could find where in memory they store currency then you can change it lol

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw has to really watch its low cds

[covert kestrel]

lmao the mods are getting shit on for that post in their general channel

[frail veldt]

Bahahahaha

[covert kestrel]

you cant try to rally people around a vague statement like "he was just investigating how the game works"

this might be even more cringe than the DK copypasta

[frail veldt]

LOL their general chat is going off

Yeah they kinda went about it the wrong way

Should have posed it more as a humble request if people are willing to help out

[covert kestrel]

LMAOOOOO

[frail veldt]

LOLOL the reactions

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

Was going to recommend this a lil bit ago, go read underhanded upper hand. A talent in your tree

[fluid iron]

whats going on

[frail veldt]

Mage mod banned

They tried to raise bat signal in mage disc

Backlash response

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm Norri has been a simc dev for like 7 years

[red zinc]

vrazy

[frail veldt]

Yeah I Mean I hvae a feeling the request was warranted

but they def had way too much confidence in wow player's "good faith"

[vivid vessel]

he is their koji i think

[frail veldt]

the phrasing wasnt great and they def should have included more details if they were going to have people act on his behalf

[vivid vessel]

as far as i know

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[fluid iron]

what did the mans do?

[frail veldt]

wait what happened to our tc channel

[red zinc]

more warranted than the dk thing but more embarassing at the same time

[frail veldt]

did it get hidden from me? D=

[inland cairn]

If there was a class discord to slam an @ everyone of course it was the mage one

[red zinc]

threads under #tc-research

[frail veldt]

or did roles get reset or something weird so im unsubbed from it

[gaunt phoenix]

threads hide themselves after like 7 days of inactivity

[frail veldt]

aite we good

[inland cairn]

Also if this guy was poking around in the games memory that's just asking to get the hammer lmao

[vivid vessel]

eh

i can understand

simc tries to model the game

and sometimes

[frail veldt]

yeah esp when hes trying to get something working

[vivid vessel]

the game doesnt really tell you anything

[frail veldt]

that blizz is making it unecessarily difficult to do

[covert kestrel]

This is amazing

[vivid vessel]

so you have to do hours or days of testing

to figure out how a stupid spell works

[quaint mauve]

wtf surv broken?

[mighty pivot]

it is blizzard's fault for not making the game open source and forcing people to fuck with the memory

[frail veldt]

"brought to you by the wheel"

[red zinc]

dense or bait call it

[frail veldt]

dense

but hes gona pretend it was bait

calling it now

[quaint mauve]

mewo knows me too well

[frail veldt]

lol

[vivid vessel]

lol

mewoooo

[frail veldt]

yoooo

[vivid vessel]

Can I miaou in your hears

[frail veldt]

is this harassment

[vivid vessel]

ears*

i cant type

[frail veldt]

did you just spell

meow

in the most

french

way

possible

[keen belfry]

Brb making coffee

[vivid vessel]

miaou is french for

[late swallow]

you can deffo french it up even more

[vivid vessel]

meow

[late swallow]

miuaox

[vivid vessel]

well no you cant french it up more

its already french

[late swallow]

didn't ask

[frail veldt]

miaou 🚬

now its frencher

[late swallow]

frenchmaxxing

[frail veldt]

always taking it too far

[keen belfry]

so why didnt we get a new pin about combats quality of life improvements for mop classic

[gaunt phoenix]

somn

no

[frail veldt]

hahahahhaa

good call

[late swallow]

where are mop classic sims?

you slacking or what?

[quaint mauve]

miaou 🚬🥐

[keen belfry]

i cant believe what our green names have become this tier

so lazy

come on yellow names lets rise up

[mighty pivot]

don't you know that it takes them months to update stuff

[keen belfry]

thats what i tell my boss when i miss my sprint deadlines and they dont care

so gg ninjarobot

[languid coral]

Would you say loaded dice is viable pick right now in s2

[mighty pivot]

the trick is to work on a codebase so garbage that everything takes twice the estimated amount

[vivid vessel]

Not in s2

No

[gaunt phoenix]

right now no

[languid coral]

It feels weird

[vivid vessel]

We roll on cd cause tier

[languid coral]

Makes sense

Just gotta believe in the rolls I guess

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-of-my-asscards-yugioh-yami-yugi-gif-11271441

[gloomy coral]

Yall should thank solo for being here, if it had been me I would have timed Somnius out for about a week. Stop being so fucking cringe.

[gaunt phoenix]

I knew you would see that deleted msg

somn i love you but if anyone else typed that it probably wouldn't slide

[late swallow]

[late swallow]

i appreciate your understanding king, I won't let it happen again

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

wont happen again solo

i swear

[gloomy coral]

https://tenor.com/view/monsterinc-monsters-inc-gif-5616105356996190790

[vivid vessel]

hi koffing

big fan

[keen belfry]

som

[upper surge]

Ok so

[keen belfry]

dm me what you sent

[upper surge]

DKs did it

Mages did it

[latent oak]

dm me aswell

[upper surge]

When do rogues ping everyone over it

[keen belfry]

@late swallow

[snow vessel]

That shit is mega cringe

also I don't think anyone here will be banned for ahem testing the games anticheat

or whatever they said

[upper surge]

Nah they're smart enough to not get caught

You'd think mages would be smarter with the int buff and all

[sudden fulcrum]

Hello Mythic+ keystoners, we have terrible news today. Bubbles has been removed from Operation: Floodgate, the game's recent update changed mechanics so that the third boss, Swampface, now kills Bubbles automatically. This happened over a week ago and despite player feedback the change has not been addressed or reverted. Bubbles added so much to this dungeon and isn't asking this from us, I am. I hope we can all give back here by appealing to Blizzard to get this change removed.

What can we do? To be explicitly clear, I am hoping folks can leverage our power by using public feedback discourse - forums, twitter, etc., to lobby Blizzard to right this wrong.

Why should we do this? How motivated would you be to support a game/community that quietly removes beloved content? We do this because we want Bubbles to stay an active part of this dungeon. I also find it incredibly difficult to believe Bubbles needed to be removed this way.

Not only is Blizzard probably most likely wrong here, but this would cost the community greatly given the historical value Bubbles has provided in gameplay and dungeon identity. I hope you all understand why I felt this was important enough to highlight and call for community action on. Please also remember to keep feedback and interactions about this civil. The goal here is to right the wrong decision made by Blizzard devs, nothing more, nothing less.

[upper surge]

Rogues just stealth past the anti cheat

[quaint mauve]

yk outlaw is cool and all but peep this JP edit

[gloomy coral]

what the actual fuck is this

[sudden fulcrum]

copypasta version of an announcement in the mage discord

[hybrid crown]

Can you cloak that venn diagram soak on mythic gally or does it remove you from the shared soak

[keen belfry]

i think its safe to say he was messing around with something that gets you banned pretty easily xd

[gaunt phoenix]

don't know norri at all but appealing a ban on someone else's behalf does not work

[sudden fulcrum]

yeah i would not expect it to work

[keen belfry]

would you guys appeal my ban if i got one

[gloomy coral]

N

[keen belfry]

hello?

[snow vessel]

If I got banned for being a worm I know @gloomy coral would appeal it

[fluid iron]

id use you as bait

[latent oak]

worm status is a protected characteristic

[upper surge]

Ping it guys

[snow vessel]

[keen belfry]

anyone here ever listen to minecraft soundtrack

[upper surge]

Youre gonna fall behind the other discords

What if DH pings everyone before you do

[latent oak]

have u heard the minecraft soundtrack in pink floyd stylings

[keen belfry]

i havent

[upper surge]

They already have a mandatory buff, y'all could fall behind

[latent oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suu14Yr34ko

[keen belfry]

pink floyds disco always makes me mlaugh

[latent oak]

wywh is goated

[keen belfry]

yes and no

its goated until school alarms start going off in your ear

https://open.spotify.com/track/6K8HUxHtrxGKUJxY6lEQy0?si=8e3fde2aafcc4720

[latent oak]

thats not on wywh

[keen belfry]

oh i read that was wym

[latent oak]

aria math goes hard too

[keen belfry]

ive been in a big led zepp phase

its good outlaw m+ music

[latent oak]

havent gone too hard into zepp before

its on my list

[late swallow]

Bro same here honestly

[keen belfry]

ofc somm copy me

[late swallow]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2p135yZ7tfiDglFOWM8syN?si=4mYdFF9rTfCueozfCootig

[keen belfry]

wanna know whats op

https://open.spotify.com/track/4OMu5a8sFpcRCPCcsoEaov?si=6898cd121fd04309

ambient music

ambient music goes so ahrd

[latent oak]

ya ambient does go hard

[toxic star]

ambient music and then links led zeppelin?

meth

[gaunt phoenix]

im so glad we dont have a #general chat where people just dump slop

[crude flower]

Mages

[balmy topaz]

General chat in guild vibes

[late swallow]

that's basically off-topic

tabbed into off-topic for one second

classic

[mighty pivot]

[gaunt phoenix]

LMAO

[covert kestrel]

ok outlaw help me out with this. last night i was doing laundry and i put this towel our cat always sleeps on in with everything else. gf got mad cause she thinks it should be separate from clothes like with other towels and stuff and i didnt see a problem. who was right chat

[thick shale]

how much of a dps increase is 4 set from 2 set

[sudden fulcrum]

you can sim that

[crude flower]

A positive one

[sudden fulcrum]

well do you want cat hair all over your other clothes? either way i don't think it's worth making your gf mad. it's easy to separate them and you gain nothing from going against her will

[sacred saddle]

yeah I wouldn't be mixing the cat hair in to the rest of the clothes when it's just as easy to not

[covert kestrel]

but like the cat hair gets washed away, as per the process of washing in the washing machine!

fuck im cooked if even outlaw thinks its wack

[sudden fulcrum]

i have two dogs and i see tons of hair in the dryer so i don't think that happens

[sacred saddle]

cat hair has a winning record against washing machines

you can trust me I have a cat pfp

[gaunt phoenix]

NTA divorce

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[sudden fulcrum]

i think fronteir will be divorced soon if he thinks that he was right here lmao

relationships are about compromise and if you won't compromise on something as silly as this, it's joever

[sacred saddle]

they can salvage it by saying they asked people that play WoW on discord who was right

[covert kestrel]

well now i cant since you goons disagreed with me

[sacred saddle]

but solo agreed with you, and solo has a green name

ez

[upper surge]

@winged spear lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

?

[covert kestrel]

(altered time shenanigans)

[reef ruin]

I have the original of that on my phone 😭

[late swallow]

lmaoooooooo

[keen belfry]

somn

DM me

what u got warning for

NOW

[vivid vessel]

he sent his cock

[keen belfry]

PELASE SEND

[gaunt phoenix]

something a bit offensive towards french people

[vivid vessel]

without putting it inside spoilers tags

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

oh som

[vivid vessel]

i heard racism toward french was fine

is that true solo

[sacred saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/italian-nightmare-webpac-spaghetti-pasta-break-gif-17845120

[glass mortar]

That's Italians

[sacred saddle]

I'm not good at being racist sorry

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

ok but tbf

who doesnt do that

actaully im hungry

[covert kestrel]

most

[vivid vessel]

imma do that rn

[glass mortar]

Moments before being dropped off in the microwave

Zac breaks his spaghetti into 4ths

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

there is probably something to be said about it

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think racism toward french people

and american

is fair game

[keen belfry]

sacre bleu

[upper surge]

@glass mortar WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

[glass mortar]

Working

😠

Wtf happened to ur name

Man guys why don't our tcers care enough about minmaxing to get 18 month bans

Really makes u wonder

[fluid iron]

we just dont get caught

[glass mortar]

TRUEEE

[fluid iron]

xD

im a bit of a hackerman myself

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[fluid iron]

i can write emails and shit

[gloomy coral]

did u work at blizzard for 7 years?

[fluid iron]

its serious business

nah i like to get a decent salary

[mighty pivot]

second generation blizzard employee

[covert kestrel]

my uncle is Jim Blizzard

[vivid vessel]

stealthi

hi

[dawn talon]

the heavy fibres of towels trap debris that will ruin more delicate fabrics of clothes

wash heavy items with other heavy items

[fluid iron]

zac
bonsieur

[late swallow]

That’s not racism tho

[dawn talon]

separating by colour etc is just neurotic you don't have to bother

[vivid vessel]

bonsieur

[late swallow]

French isn’t a race

[dawn talon]

but you should always wash towels w/ towels and hoodies w/ hoodies

[bronze robin]

Technically race is a social construct

[covert kestrel]

damn i come in here for some layup support with my towel washing and i get taken to school ffs

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt even read it

[covert kestrel]

i thought outlaw had each others backs

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah towels should be with towels noob !

[covert kestrel]

like altered time has that one dudes back

[fluid iron]

i honestly wish i took a game devolpment route when i studied instead of law

[dawn talon]

(doing it once is fine and shouldn't be a big problem, just use a lint roller if you ended up with cat hair on your clothes)

[fluid iron]

now i just work under a tech company as a lawyer

boring shit

[vestal notch]

stealthi stealing data from blizzard servers - circa 2025

[sudden fulcrum]

this guy fucks

[mighty pivot]

tbh one of them was a noob who thinks that you can have a cat but not cat hair all over your clothes so

[red zinc]

but do you obtain the bag stealthi

[fluid iron]

above avg

[covert kestrel]

or you could be a game dev and get burned out of the industry and underpaid for years! and have zac yell at you!

[blazing bloom]

I have played an entire tier on both sub & ass.. how do you guys think outlaw compares to the other two in terms of difficulty to play/fun??

[fluid iron]

enough to not have to worry about anything

[red zinc]

imagine working your entire young life to become a game dev at blizzard just for people to call for your firing because of specific class bugs

[fluid iron]

id prolly just have gone working for the studio we have in denmark

ngl

[mighty pivot]

imagine working 12 hours a day because release day is near, and then zac shows up and tells you he needs 30 minutes and he'll get everything fixed

[fluid iron]

they made hitman n shit

[vivid vessel]

they nmight be working 12 hours a day but certainly not on rogue

[covert kestrel]

i mean making the ks change of teleport=1 to teleport=0 being like all we needed was pretty funny

[mighty pivot]

is it 12 hours on the 3rd totally real DH spec

[glass mortar]

Holy

When realz finally puts forward the class action against zac (and all of outlaw) stealthi is gunna represent him???

[mighty pivot]

nah bro you just need a KS that shoots literally random targets in front of you instead

[sudden fulcrum]

hey therte is a sweet ai icon now too

[glass mortar]

Zac finally gets what's coming to him

😠

[fluid iron]

i work from a company going out of korea, so very unlikely xD

[vivid vessel]

ok waht did i do

[glass mortar]

U know what u did

The meter on bug abuse o clock been ticking up for years now

Realz just adding up the hours of er cdr earned

[vivid vessel]

i see

when i see how offensive to outlaw some of these dungeon design are

i think im allowed

[mighty pivot]

for each second of SnD CDR STOLEN by zac we will get +1s on KS channel

[vivid vessel]

weran

music boss in streets

you have add phases

with like 30s downtime between each

you cant stealth during them cause you are in combat

then you have a big burst window where you have to kill a shield

and the boss gives you perma 35%^ haste

[keen belfry]

sounds yummy for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

if i wanted to make the most anti outlaw boss ever

idk if i could have done it better

ngl

[glass mortar]

Xd yea

[upper surge]

The mage player was allegedly using AHK to get info from the PTR which is absolutely against TOS but it's the PTR, seems like there should be some leeway

[glass mortar]

That boss is

[leaden sonnet]

Spec assa instead, the mobs dont die so you never get darkest night back

[glass mortar]

Unpleasant af

[vivid vessel]

funny

[mighty pivot]

you could add kujo's explosion thing

[vivid vessel]

who is kujo

i dont remember

[mighty pivot]

fire dog

[leaden sonnet]

Workshop dog

[vivid vessel]

ah

ye

cringe ass change

now the boss is just bad to play

idk

they should have made him hittable trough box

so everyone is happy

idk why they think having players go afk is more fun

[mighty pivot]

they could just make that ability not have like 15s cd

[glass mortar]

Sheeeesh imagine catching a 3 year ban for ptr stuff

They just wanted to minmax

[upper surge]

It's 18 months now I think

[glass mortar]

Right they appealed it iirc

[blazing bloom]

Hey friends I am Bobby and my pronouns are he/her.. I played a full tier on sin rogue and a full tier on sub. Do you guys find outlaw as fun or as challenging to play? I’m deciding what I want to play in August

[glass mortar]

I've missed most of the drama upstate ny has shitty service

[upper surge]

You missed a lot of fun

[gaunt phoenix]

well, this is the outlaw channel, we are a bit biased towards outlaw i think

outlaw is very fast and fun

and hard

[blazing bloom]

I’m sorry I just assumed you guys had tried the other specs at some point

My apologies

[mighty pivot]

big mistake

[sacred saddle]

naah mate I only have 1 dagger

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

[gaunt phoenix]

i did not mean to imply you should apologize twice for that

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hotshotgg-leagueoflegends-league-of-legends-lol-dominion-gif-7324467391231881959

they should bring back dominion

[blazing bloom]

Fast and fun sounds good to me 🙂

[jolly rune]

That’s what she said

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw is the highest apm dps next to fire mage

[late swallow]

[blazing bloom]

I like that because that will be engaging for me

[craggy quiver]

Fatebound playing KS next tier too?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[blazing bloom]

I have pushed around 3200 on sin and sub so I’m excited to see what I can do on COMBAT rogue

[craggy quiver]

Sounds cool

Not sure about cancelling KS tho

[fluid iron]

nah ngl, u break ToS you deserve whatever punishment you get

[craggy quiver]

Sounds lame af

[fluid iron]

he aint dumb enough to not know that its again tos

[gaunt phoenix]

it wasnt 3 years it was perma

kinda crazy

[glass mortar]

I wonder how often tcers stretch these boundaries tbh

Especially on ptrs

[sudden fulcrum]

what's crazy is using AHK on WoW stuff while being a tcer. surely they knew

[red zinc]

what is ahk

[gaunt phoenix]

idk but altered time mega fucked up in handling it

autohotkey

[sudden fulcrum]

ok but the MOST CRAZY part is that he didn't just use Alter Time after getting banned

giga newb

[gaunt phoenix]

Now this autohotkey thing will spread with no basis at all

[mighty pivot]

tbh it's a smart way to never have to play mage again

[fluid iron]

yes

[glass mortar]

Or wow again for that matter

[red zinc]

if mage has no tc do they become even stronger?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[mighty pivot]

dw half the devs shareholders play mage, they would get stronger regardless

[dim widget]

you mean ret

heard its gonna get even easier with more dps

and 2 bubble charges

[late swallow]

who has that mage copypasta about them tc'ing too much and bragging about it

[mighty pivot]

imo they should just be perma immune, it's an entry spec anyway

[dim widget]

ye agree

[lime lake]

When are we going to join the meta of pinging everyone and sending them at blizzard like attack dogs

[gaunt phoenix]

think frost mage should just freeze the boss so it does nothing

become patchwerk

[late swallow]

if enough people @ everyone at the same time, would the server explode?

[gaunt phoenix]

try it

[late swallow]

nice try

[mighty pivot]

koffing can even do the sneaky @ everyone like the other time

[random stirrup]

We need ryukage back to type a properly galvanizing message to gather the rogues in arms against blizzard

[inland acorn]

wait, where was it confirmed that mage tc used AHK ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it wasn't

just speculation

[sudden fulcrum]

some guy on discord said it so it must be true

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[dim widget]

esp on wow class discords

only 100% legit truth bombs

all the time

[mighty pivot]

wow class discords is where all the truthers gather

[dim widget]

true

[glass mortar]

I've seen it in at least 4 discord that it might be due to that now

So basically 99% chance it's wrong

[dim widget]

then it is 400% right

so he got banned 4 times

quick maffs

[mighty pivot]

4 different reputable sources and he's still not sure

[gaunt phoenix]

imagine being in 3 other wow servers that arent ravenholdt

[glass mortar]

I'm in like 5

[inland acorn]

ain't no way they're handing perm for AHK on PTR which lasted like couple days

[balmy topaz]

I’m in all apart from DH and Druid as they are omega cursed

[lime lake]

At one point I joined every class discord then put them all in a folder and don't read any of them

[late swallow]

druid disc is crazy

[lime lake]

Because most suck ass

[sudden fulcrum]

i don't think it matters that it's PTR or how long PTR was up

[random stirrup]

Dh discord is fire

It’s like this channel but more insane

[mighty pivot]

someone post that screenshot from DH discord

[inland acorn]

ye i agree, but if it's his first ban, then i doubt it would be straigth perm for just AHK

[balmy topaz]

Priest discord is wild, I spoke once and they started saying how outlaw is cringe

[gaunt phoenix]

they're right

[lime lake]

One of the other mage mods said he doesn't have ahk installed at alll

[sacred saddle]

we are cringe

but we are free

[lime lake]

Based tbh

[balmy topaz]

I didn’t say I was an outlaw main

[lime lake]

Ret discord has a channel dedicated to the alphabet

That's probably my favorite

[balmy topaz]

It must be the Pooh PPic

Ret discord is strange

[jagged ivy]

holy shit priests are based?????

[covert kestrel]

i like being in all of them, it feels like having my fingers in like 13 lil pies

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[eternal pumice]

Guys, what do you prioritize when you're in Vanish? im new

[gaunt phoenix]

you have to build combo points and then at 5+ CPs you spend them on Between the Eyes

you also still use roll the bones if you need to roll

[balmy topaz]

#outlaw-faq

[keen belfry]

man answering simple questions as outlaw is kinda hard/annoying

[gaunt phoenix]

"building combo points" is its own priority

yep

[keen belfry]

its never that simple lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

well ho build

[dim widget]

wdym

[gaunt phoenix]

is simple

[dim widget]

it always the same

just press your buttons

[keen belfry]

like you could just say "your prio is to shoot out as many 5 cp BTEs" but thats missing a fair amount

[balmy topaz]

Solo convincing every new outlaw to 1cp bte only in stealth window

[gaunt phoenix]

[covert kestrel]

hi new im dad

[keen belfry]

when in reality its like your prio in vanish is like:
spend BTE at 5+ combo points:

follow builder rules (whole thing)

follow rtb rules (only if you can use a SC stack in that window)

[gaunt phoenix]

You can just roll

[keen belfry]

trinkets? sure but not your first gcd in stealth

[keen belfry]

yeah but i will never roll last second or so of window, if im in a spot where i shuold roll at 1-2seconds left in window i fucked up prior to that

[violet bison]

does atrophic stack with devo aura?

[balmy topaz]

Yes

[dim widget]

yes

[balmy topaz]

Atropic is a debuff

Aura is a buff

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think you need to fuck up in order to get in the position where you have to roll at the end of stealth

it just happens

[keen belfry]

its a small difference but if youre in that situation shouldnt you just have rolled a second or 2 earlier?

thats how i look at it

super small diff

[gaunt phoenix]

you're assuming rtb was off cd

you can also get 4 buffs to kir at the end of stealth

and then once you kir 4 buffs you are supposed to roll immediately

[keen belfry]

i would never press that rtb i think

vibez

[gaunt phoenix]

okay

[keen belfry]

xxVibezxx

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine anyway

i cant tell you it is wrong

[keen belfry]

and i aint saying im right eitehr

[covert heart]

Just rtb anytime it's off cd for the culture

[keen belfry]

agreed

[lime lake]

I have the button so I will press it

[keen belfry]

if u ever kir buffs that are all under 39 i think im sitting on that rtb until next stealth window if its close at all

you dont lose buff uptime doing that right? if you cant get a rtb before the 39 second container rule?

[covert heart]

If I got a good role imma just reroll to show those bones who is boss

[gaunt phoenix]

you do

like

[eternal pumice]

Vanish +5cp BTE

• ambush or sinister strike ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it depends on your build (HO or KIR)

the HO build prioritizes ambush when available and it needs to build cp

the KIR build does not press ambush at all