outlaw

[frail veldt]

wtf

[desert tendon]

i dont own one

[frail veldt]

well zac in the US we fix stuff ourselves a lot

[vivid vessel]

hm

[desert tendon]

but from what i ve seen

[vivid vessel]

wait

true

[frail veldt]

cuz labor is very very expensive

[desert tendon]

this shit so good

linus really did good work on it

[frail veldt]

so we tend to do our own work

like fix appliances

doors

etc

you just do that here

af

[desert tendon]

we do that also here mewo

[frail veldt]

cuz hiring like a plumber is like 80$ an hour or more

[desert tendon]

it s just that

zoomers dont

cuz they have no idea how to fix stuff

[frail veldt]

ah maybe thats it

I have another EU friend whos my age who said its weird

[desert tendon]

they d rather buying new things

[frail veldt]

and some friends from Laos same thing

cuz labor is so cheap

oh and india

[desert tendon]

idk depends i think

[frail veldt]

they never do their own house work

cuz labor is just dirt cheap

[desert tendon]

i just fix most of my stuff myself

[frail veldt]

I geuss in like the UK or something labor is still pricey

[desert tendon]

i like doing some hand work

[frail veldt]

ayo

zing

[desert tendon]

me man

me stone me hammer me build house

zogzog

[frail veldt]

average american inner monologue yes

[desert tendon]

gun pewpew

[vivid vessel]

it was too big

ok

buying a small shitter now

[frail veldt]

do it

dare you

[vivid vessel]

imma be so mad if its too big

no capo

[desert tendon]

just use your teeth

ffs

[frail veldt]

thats what she said

[vivid vessel]

https://youtu.be/f1BGxbEQfxo?si=o4THS6C6Fl_XeS5X&t=23 what about this thing the guy uses to remove the pads

i dont have something like that

https://youtu.be/otuq4Ekg3ag?si=6e16IwaDLpkpcs8v&t=36 this one use a thing to remove hairs

crazy tech

whats the name of that tool

[desert tendon]

be mindfull zac tho

[frail veldt]

tweezers?

[desert tendon]

you ll ruin the warranty

doing that

[vivid vessel]

brotherman

[desert tendon]

i know you re aware

[frail veldt]

why does it matter

if its already broken

lol

wtf

[vivid vessel]

i kept one

its been like

1 year now

[desert tendon]

he used to resend them

[vivid vessel]

that i kept that one

[desert tendon]

perma

[vivid vessel]

ye

[desert tendon]

and get ne w one

[vivid vessel]

but i kept a last one

[desert tendon]

he scammed amazon like

100 mice

[vivid vessel]

yeo

well they scammed me ?

[desert tendon]

you just do weird things

with your mice

idk how you can break them so often

[vivid vessel]

also i stopped after 5

so

its fine

[desert tendon]

look at that

every 2 months

xD

[vivid vessel]

ye

i told you

it was legit

on the dot

like they have a little timer

in the mouse

[keen belfry]

razer naga

[vivid vessel]

and 2 months after it explode

[keen belfry]

good mouse

[desert tendon]

shit mouse

i told you

get another one

[vivid vessel]

too many buttons

[desert tendon]

test new things

get a zowie

get a endgamegear

even

get a razer viper

[keen belfry]

yes but they are big enough to easily press each individual one

[desert tendon]

or deathadder

skip logitech

get a lamzu

idk

[random stirrup]

deathadder has been very good to me

[vivid vessel]

which one is this one

i need the 2 buttons on top

or i cant use it

[keen belfry]

i think thats one ih ave

[desert tendon]

if you want a 12 buttons

[keen belfry]

hyperspeed

[desert tendon]

get a corsair

[keen belfry]

hyperspeed v2

ive had this mouse for like2 years now?

[vivid vessel]

so many buttons tho ..

[keen belfry]

whats problem?

[vivid vessel]

i want big buttons idk

[desert tendon]

you know what zac

i think you ll be better

[keen belfry]

these are big enough to easily click right button

[desert tendon]

buying a mouse every 2 weeks at Action

[frail veldt]

zac has dumb fingers apparently

[desert tendon]

actually

[frail veldt]

need big buttons

[desert tendon]

for 2€

[vivid vessel]

i mean

mewo

my fingers are handicapped

i have gigantic hands

but i cant press

5

t

g

i miss click

[vivid vessel]

everytime i press these

[frail veldt]

this is prob zacs phone

[desert tendon]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

..

[frail veldt]

rofl

[keen belfry]

i have big hands zac this mouse is easy to use

[desert tendon]

zac has ugly fingers tho

these are clean

[frail veldt]

also yeah youre telling me I dont have large hands?

git gud

[desert tendon]

looking at your picture earlier

[frail veldt]

if I can use a naga

you can

[desert tendon]

you definitly have big hands

[keen belfry]

how big is naga vs hyperspeed v2

[frail veldt]

same size I think

[desert tendon]

think they re close in shape

[vivid vessel]

ye but

[desert tendon]

corsair smictar probably a bit bigger

[vivid vessel]

i dont think i use the side buttons

the same way you guys would

with these mouses

[keen belfry]

this mouse sucks

[vivid vessel]

i like

press them with the front of my thumb and the back of my thumb

[frail veldt]

Yeah using them for modifiers is definintely a bigger use

[vivid vessel]

know what i mean or

[frail veldt]

aaaaaah

[desert tendon]

doe"snt to me

[frail veldt]

yeah

[desert tendon]

used corsair for a while

[vivid vessel]

like i dotn press with the tip of my thumb

[keen belfry]

i use feint, rtb, then like small stuff like blind

[frail veldt]

so you press them hyper specific to your current mouse shape

[desert tendon]

but now i quitted wow i m back to zowie / lamzu

[keen belfry]

mouse buttons arent main rotation

[desert tendon]

and i a happy frog

for real

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

you practically like squeeze the mouse

to press them

[desert tendon]

these mouse so good

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

then you might be SOL

[vivid vessel]

wtf does htta mean

you are insulting me now ?

[frail veldt]

Shit Out of Luck

[keen belfry]

does ti win

[desert tendon]

tied game for now

[keen belfry]

oner vs canyon is so lit

[desert tendon]

i hope they do

[keen belfry]

peak junglers

canyon is my goat

[desert tendon]

oner vs canyon was peak gaming 10 years ago

now they both boomer

ngl

[keen belfry]

idk if im old but give me oner in a bo5 grand finals over any still

[desert tendon]

btw

[vivid vessel]

they are losing slithgly rn

[desert tendon]

canyon

is on nidalee

rn

you should turn on the stream

[keen belfry]

its on

[desert tendon]

if you re a canyon fan

good

[keen belfry]

im watching!

[frail veldt]

im watching now too

[keen belfry]

fearless is peak

[frail veldt]

I dont even wtach league

[desert tendon]

yea

i really really

[keen belfry]

fearless is SO good man

[desert tendon]

like fearless

[keen belfry]

we have a pyke in a bo5 game 5

[desert tendon]

i was a bit skeptical at first

but now

i m just in love

[keen belfry]

i was never skeptical tbh

[desert tendon]

and wonder how we didnt get it earlier

[keen belfry]

i was done seeing gnar toplane every god damn game

[desert tendon]

speciually on game 5

[vivid vessel]

how coulkd yoiu be skeptical about fearless lol

[desert tendon]

look at geng comp

[vivid vessel]

its a banger

[desert tendon]

they have no stuns

no setup

what is that ahaha

[keen belfry]

i wish i understood draft

[frail veldt]

wow t1 sucks

[keen belfry]

i dont understand draft

[frail veldt]

theyre so afraid of committing

[keen belfry]

league theory is so beyond me

[frail veldt]

they had numbers top

and played so scared

for no reason

[vivid vessel]

mewo stfu

[desert tendon]

like

rn

[vivid vessel]

dont instul my goats

[frail veldt]

LOL

[desert tendon]

they had no adc to play

[frail veldt]

I mean

did you watch that

[desert tendon]

cait / mf / ez

were the only available

[frail veldt]

then why did they even posture

if they werent ready to commit

doesnt make sense

[desert tendon]

that s lck

they do stuff

[keen belfry]

lck is so int

[desert tendon]

then they call to retreat

[keen belfry]

i love lck

[frail veldt]

they should have backed as soona s they scouted gens person in bush

[keen belfry]

its lck

we die? ok go in

[lime lake]

t1 doesnt back off

[frail veldt]

they did there

[desert tendon]

but you know

that s what i like about lck

[lime lake]

no they fought and lost

[desert tendon]

they have the mental

[keen belfry]

whos the goat jungler

[desert tendon]

to keep going

[frail veldt]

no?

at top

[lime lake]

oner just went in and missed everything

[desert tendon]

they aint going back playing scared not doing a move

[frail veldt]

they just bakced

[lime lake]

yes

[frail veldt]

and blew flash

to do nothing

[desert tendon]

like EU shit

[lime lake]

oner missed stun

and they got got

[keen belfry]

oner so washed

[desert tendon]

got gotten

[keen belfry]

awang would hit that stun

[frail veldt]

lol

[lime lake]

true sub awang in

[desert tendon]

awang would reroll mage

[keen belfry]

!pause

no

hed come back./

[frail veldt]

bold

rn

[wintry solar]

Mage...

[frail veldt]

MISSED THE SMITE

[keen belfry]

gg

[lime lake]

oner washed

its joever

[desert tendon]

gg

[vivid vessel]

wtffffff

[frail veldt]

big rip

[vivid vessel]

eta gg man

-8k

[desert tendon]

game over on that

[frail veldt]

-8k again

[desert tendon]

i lost 8k

there

[vivid vessel]

guys

[desert tendon]

fully lost

[vivid vessel]

say -8k chat

[frail veldt]

zac cant afford that new mouse nomo

[keen belfry]

i need to see faker type in chat ?

[wintry solar]

-8k

[frail veldt]

officially broke

[desert tendon]

i would ve bought zac s mouse

if t1 won

no cap

[frail veldt]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

im buying that naga one

to see

[desert tendon]

ship him with a tacos

id ont think you ll like it

since you dont want thousand buttons

probably go for deathadder/ viper instead

[vivid vessel]

ok but

[frail veldt]

whos the random guy in a suit they keep cutting to

[desert tendon]

nah?

[vivid vessel]

i cant find

anything else

[desert tendon]

go for a razer

without

12 buttons

maybe

[vivid vessel]

i need

the buttons on

top

of the mouse

[keen belfry]

league is such a cool game

[desert tendon]

you bored me

[lime lake]

t1 win the game at next dragon

trust

[keen belfry]

smite being a sick skill expression

[lime lake]

doran gonna get the biggest flank ever seen

[keen belfry]

owner/coach or something like that i thik

[vivid vessel]

i need all of those

[desert tendon]

you dont need any of these

[keen belfry]

man u want a cooked mouse no?

[frail veldt]

I think you just need your mouse again

[desert tendon]

you think you do

but u dont

[frail veldt]

unless you want to learn a new mouse

but it sounds like you dont

obv

[vivid vessel]

yes

except

it breaks

on cd

this shit

[frail veldt]

unless someone clones your mouse

but thats a pretty unique design

so might be hard to find

[desert tendon]

i wish KS cd was 2 months also

[random stirrup]

time to pull a tyler1 and buy 80 of them and keep them all in a closet

[dim parrot]

Try a diff mouse

[vivid vessel]

I tried

Was shit

[desert tendon]

i really really think zac

you should go to Action

[dim parrot]

My middle button always breaks with scroll wheel key binds

[desert tendon]

and buy 2€ mouse

every 2 weeks

[keen belfry]

its so crazy how cooked zacs fingers are

zac fingers are so piss

i just heard " kiin is on a killing spree"

how long channel?

[desert tendon]

4 years

actually

[keen belfry]

did he super charge it?

[dim parrot]

Just bind killing spree to those buttons and you won’t have to use

[keen belfry]

why is t1 still playing

shouldnt they just ff

go next?

[vivid vessel]

now that i think about it i need to return that other shit mouse

[desert tendon]

cant ff in pro

and this is the last game

[dim parrot]

Clout

[desert tendon]

2-2

so

[keen belfry]

just ff

go home

[desert tendon]

nah

[lime lake]

t1 doesnt care about msi anyway its fine

[desert tendon]

they have mental

[lime lake]

we go worlds

[desert tendon]

they re not zero

[keen belfry]

i bet their comms are like:
nah but like?? turbo cancer no ?

[desert tendon]

they dont

but their sponsors do

[random stirrup]

t1

[lime lake]

its ok t1 turn it around at next dragon

[keen belfry]

yeah sure

[dim parrot]

Could get mouse with more buttons to spread the wear and tear out instead of modifiers on 2 buttons

[wintry solar]

Having literally everything at the push of your thumb is peak

[desert tendon]

they ll contest drake too late

and die anyway

[vivid vessel]

-8k ..

[lime lake]

its ok mountain soul doesnt matter

[desert tendon]

stfu zac

gfy

😠

[vivid vessel]

8k

[keen belfry]

zac fingers so cooked

he needs baby mouse

with big buttons

[desert tendon]

i can bet 8k everyday

for months

idc

zac just need to learn how to use his little finger

from his left hand

that s all he needs

actually

[keen belfry]

zac when da big buttons are mia and he has to aim his fingers

gg

[lime lake]

t1 -8k just like censi

its ok we coin flip elder and win

[desert tendon]

stfu bel

go back to your assa channel

you have no right to be here

you loser

[lime lake]

i am confined to no single channel

i am a salmon

[desert tendon]

you smell bad as a salmon

[lime lake]

members unite

[desert tendon]

that s true

still

go back to assa

ugly

😒

[vivid vessel]

and like i took this mouse which is basically very close in form factor

[keen belfry]

bel when his top dmg is sudden demise but his timer is BLEEDING out, boy you in the wrong build!

[vivid vessel]

and it didnt work

fucking shit

i cant press the buttons

i tried

too hard

[keen belfry]

bel when his top dmg is sudden demise but his timer is BLEEDING out, boy you in the wrong build!

[desert tendon]

dude has 15 buttons

he uses 2

[vivid vessel]

yep

8k still inthe balance censi

you neverk now

censi

[desert tendon]

but zac

[vivid vessel]

peep the gold diff

[desert tendon]

i m sad

but still

i can bet 8k everyday

for months

before having to care

[vivid vessel]

@desert tendon

8k ..

[desert tendon]

why are you so late

[lime lake]

its ok t1 turn it around here

[desert tendon]

watch the good stream please

[keen belfry]

shits rigged

gg

[lime lake]

ok i dont think t1 is gonna turn it around

[desert tendon]

gg

absolute cinema

[keen belfry]

stinker game 5

fk u rito

[static geyser]

Do I only use Junkmaestros trinket at 30 stacks?

[keen belfry]

just dont waste stacks

very flexible trinket

so no

[static geyser]

Is there a minimum amount of stacks you'd suggest?

[keen belfry]

dont matter

[ripe ibex]

thats too many bro

[compact saddle]

[Killing Spree]
Replaces [Between the Eyes]
45 sec cooldown
Finishing move that unleashes a barrage of gunfire.
If [Blade Flurry] not effective striking single enemy for Physical damage.
If [Blade Flurry] effective striking random enemies within 8 yards for Physical damage.
(and balance dmg.)

[Underhanded Upper Hand]
[Adrenaline Rush] duration time increase X sec.
[Adrenaline Rush] does not lose duration during non-combat state.
[Blade Flurry] does not lose duration during [Adrenaline Rush].

[Crackshot]
[Between the Eyes]/[Killing Spree] cooldown reduce X sec.
[Between the Eyes]/[Killing Spree] also Dispatches the target for 50% of normal damage.

[Crackshot] and [Ghostly Strike] exchange position.

How do you feel about these?

[wintry solar]

I forgot about you

Where you been?

Typically you want the stealth talents to line up with other stealth talents in the case of CS and GS location.

I think their location is fine

The rest is frankly not that great tbh

We don't really gain anything from those changes

[compact saddle]

Actually CS&GS location not the key point.

[wintry solar]

Right

But this doesn't seem like it adds gameplay

As a whole

[compact saddle]

Actually we can gain optimize.

[wintry solar]

Though the uhuh change is okay. It already does that in a way

I wouldn't march for it

[compact saddle]

It can let player more comfortable.

[compact saddle]

Anyway, thanks your opinion.

[wintry solar]

You're welcome

[dim parrot]

They could’ve just left KS the way it was and remove the animation lock

[compact saddle]

If change KS, I think my plan is ok.

[wintry solar]

What is your ks?

Is it not the same as the one next season?

[compact saddle]

This KS, it is diff from next season.

[wintry solar]

So it rewards CP based on if bf is up or not?

[compact saddle]

Emm... I dont know what's your mean.

[wintry solar]

The way its worded implies its a channel, and if you have blade flurry up, it refunds combo points. However if blade flurry is NOT up, killing spree doesnt refund combo points.

[compact saddle]

Emm... I think maybe del "Restores 1 combo point every 0.3 sec.".

[sacred saddle]

20% crit chance loss from replacing BtE, aura cancelling blade flurry if you want prio damage, and removing the only thing resembling a cooldown window?
lol, lmao

[wintry solar]

I didn't even think about the bte buff

[compact saddle]

I miss 20% crit, it have, and have all other [bte]'s effect.

[Killing Spree]
Replaces [Between the Eyes] (inherit other bte's effect or talent)
45 sec cooldown
Finishing move that unleashes a barrage of gunfire.
If [Blade Flurry] not effective striking single enemy for Physical damage.
If [Blade Flurry] effective striking random enemies within 8 yards for Physical damage.
Increasing your critical strike chance by 20%.
(and balance dmg.)

fix

[wintry solar]

Just remove the blade flurry part dude

[compact saddle]

why? it let KS can select single or multi target.

[wintry solar]

Why would we want that?

That's what blade flurry is for

Random targets has never been reliable

[compact saddle]

This is not a conflict. And keep originally design.

[compact saddle]

Do you mena aoe better?

[wintry solar]

I mean not having killing spree hit random targets and it just flurry is better in every scenario

No one wants randomness at the cost of priority damage

[compact saddle]

I see.

[wintry solar]

Some people might. But that's what makes people not want to talk to you anymore.

[compact saddle]

What about "random target" change to "up to 5 nearby targets"?

[wintry solar]

8

[sacred saddle]

I'm just trying to understand what the end goal here is

[wintry solar]

Because it should flurry

[sacred saddle]

What would be the purpose behind not making it fire on target and flurry
Why replace BtE
Why remove crackshot and stealth windows

[wintry solar]

To have it be the same as now but different

[sacred saddle]

I can understand some players still yearn for some mystical ancient combat rogue spec of legends that didn't use vanish as an offensive cd

But wanting an alternative playstyle to crackshot is really not a good reason to trash it

[wintry solar]

NO

[wintry solar]

Remove the blade flurry

Because now Blade Flurry is working as intended

Also don't replace bte

[haughty wigeon]

owl isnt a native english speaker btw

[wintry solar]

No reason to

[haughty wigeon]

dont get to tilted

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[compact saddle]

No, cant remove bf's influence.

[wintry solar]

Any ability outlaw has is assumed to flurry regardless of if the tooltip says it or not

[haughty wigeon]

idk why were removing bte tho

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[haughty wigeon]

kinda counter productive

like i dont like to shit on peoples creative ideas for the spec its fine

but like why are we targeting bte?

when both of these abilities are outlaw/combat fantasy

with killing s pree being the echos f combat "in name i guess now"

and bte being outlaw since its inception

[compact saddle]

[Killing Spree]
Replaces [Between the Eyes] (inherit other bte's effect or talent)
45 sec cooldown
Finishing move that unleashes a barrage of gunfire.
If [Blade Flurry] not effective, then [Killing Spree] striking single enemy for Physical damage.
If [Blade Flurry] effective, then [Killing Spree] striking up to X nearby enemies for Physical damage.
Increasing your critical strike chance by 20%.
(and balance dmg.)

I am not want to change [Blade Flurry], can you understand? (I worry about you misunderstand.)

[wintry solar]

And up until August, completely irrelevant

To each other

That works

[haughty wigeon]

pog

[wintry solar]

Just remove the killing spree replacing bte

And we're good

[haughty wigeon]

theres still big problems btw

cause trickster exists

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[haughty wigeon]

45 seconds is way to short of a cd

[compact saddle]

I think maybe my english too bad, so you feel this idea is bad.

[haughty wigeon]

your rotation will just be

ks ksksksksksksksksksks

[wintry solar]

I don't think we see your vision is all

Because from the outside, some of these changes are just for the sake of changes

Just to do it

Like the uhuh change

It's fine but it just does what it does now

But not tied to stealth

[compact saddle]

Emm... actually these change can optimize comfortable, but I dont know how to say in english.

[wintry solar]

And there's Hidden Opportunity and Keep It Rolling

[hot island]

KIR haste req was 12% right?

[torpid fiber]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hot island]

lovely then

[worldly shale]

Yup, simmed recrafts so just recrafted some haste into crit

[torpid pasture]

so haste above 20% is no bueno?

[worldly shale]

yuh

[torpid pasture]

damn, i think im runnin around 25%

feels nice tho

[hot island]

even better nice

[worldly shale]

I mean, its just minmaxing tbh

Think i got like 50k in sim dps on dung slice

[torpid pasture]

alright

[hot island]

random 10 flood gate, i find that i generally suck on ST and often end up with around 1.6 mil dps on the bosses :/

on last boss what do you guys do to keep your stuff active during the spark hops

i lost a bunch of AR uptime on the boss because i had to take the pools far out

[hardy thicket]

You dont you just cry

[worldly shale]

cloak

[hot island]

does the spark disappear if you cloak and let it hit you?

[worldly shale]

yup

disappears

[hot island]

holy shit why didn't i know that before lmao

[worldly shale]

xd

[hot island]

still managed to have 91% AR uptime so i guess it's alright

[worldly shale]

lemme run a 10 flood

we can compare

[hardy thicket]

Outlaws ST rotation is no different from what you do in AoE for the most part. If you struggle on ST you are likely fudging up a ton in AoE as well. But BF and deft makes fudging up in packs more forgiving

[hot island]

yea i definitly am

i generally can keep a solid 7-8m dps on aoe packs but i rarely exceed that

so my overall being 4m is because i'm usually at 7-8 on all the trash and then draining on the bosses, not sure how the others end up with such high burst windows

even if i get a full subterfuge of CP refunds i don't hit that high

[worldly shale]

this was first boss rookery

[hot island]

that's without an add pack right?

[worldly shale]

yup

[hot island]

daym

[worldly shale]

im running 10 flood now

[hot island]

alright i'll await your results then,

i'll throw my hat at a 15ML and see if the higher key can do something since i find my sustain dps to be my strong suit

[hot island]

eh a pala died and complained about the route the tank did, so the key wiped 15 min in xD

[worldly shale]

these idiots wiped

on bubbles

[hot island]

i see yours didn't go any better xD

[worldly shale]

healer killed by bubble

INSANE

[hot island]

that's kinda nuts yea

[worldly shale]

yup died again

cant rly compare this

i was at like 5.4 before bubbles

[hot island]

that's pretty good

the next 2 pulls aren't the highest dps pulls so you'd probably end around 4.9

[upbeat tundra]

chat whats the lore on the name tomelvis

[worldly shale]

INSANE 3 months in

easier to just do a 15 for a daily

more humans

[hot island]

wow that didn't seem fun

[worldly shale]

check dms

this was last boss btw

[dense bolt]

just read solos last pin

Amazing

[lyric steeple]

any changes in talent in ptr for outlaw?

[dim widget]

we dooming

[lyric steeple]

oh damn

[shell fossil]

im doing the shadowlands campaign for mogs

hehehe echoing reprimand

[fossil charm]

is there a wa who remember you to change offhand? or to see what offhand you have?

Need it for weapon swap

ty

[inland acorn]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[hot island]

how bad is it to use void ritual enchant as outlaw

i mainly play assa and swap to outlaw to try it out a few times but i kinda don't want to keep doing visions

unless it's complete dog tier

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

[balmy topaz]

Petko tier list here we go peak content

[hot island]

ah ok so not that much worse then

[balmy topaz]

no ragebait at all

[worldly shale]

Same in my sims too, around 1% difference

[mighty pivot]

tier lists

[worldly shale]

is that shadow priest above us

🤮

[upper hazel]

some of the comments hurts a lot 😮

[balmy topaz]

What in the chat?

[vivid vessel]

We are b tier so easy

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

Sandbagging isn't even necessary

[balmy topaz]

Like idk our ST sucks

[vivid vessel]

It does

Feel like we have s1 assa st

Without the prio

Without the AOE

Without the cooldowns

[balmy topaz]

Ye and the during KS

Well

[vivid vessel]

[balmy topaz]

I don't wanna talk about it

Buff crackshot

back to 100%

[vivid vessel]

I think outlaw is gonna be good next tier ruby

Cause it's so bad in st/raid

It will get buffed

[balmy topaz]

Ye I agree

[vivid vessel]

Just have to play with a monk or it's gg tho

But I think that also helps us lol

Cause that means the average lfg outlaw will do z DPS

Cause no raid buff

And if you make your melee comp

You probably blast

No capi

Just need a st buff

And we back

[royal bane]

I pushed my tank friend to try the monk tank rework next season without any reason what's so ever

[balmy topaz]

I expect in the next few weeks a buff

aura buff idk but

some sorta buff

[mighty pivot]

BR buff

[solar hazel]

when do you press killing spree best in part 1 mechagon last boss?

[quaint sable]

When boss isnt near any balls and most of the time I send KS low cp there anyway esp with a pug tank.

[late swallow]

you think they'll do base damage tuning, or hero talent tuning?

[mighty pivot]

they cannot do hero talent tuning unless they are ok with messing with sub as well

[late swallow]

I want some sub love

[vivid vessel]

I wish they would do hero talent tuning a bit, but you also need an aura buff probably

Outlaw is quite low on pure st

Let me check my log

This is 100% uptime boss

Pure st

I probably got bad rng to be fair but

It's not great

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound tails buffed by 200%

[balmy topaz]

Could you imagine...

[late swallow]

sin ST

have they done isolated, spec-specific hero talent tuning?

like "tails for outlaw buffed"

[balmy topaz]

Err no I don't think so

It's just been base hero tree tuning

[vivid vessel]

highly doubt they do that

outlaw in keys is so behind in st

they will just aura buff outlaw prolly

[mighty pivot]

it needs some but my worry is that if they do it through hero talents then the tier set will be an even higher % increase. I don't like tier set bonuses being 30-40% dps increases, it feels like shit design

[vivid vessel]

how do you guys gear up an alt now, has there been new things

[dim parrot]

One more change to KS plz

[random stirrup]

run that thing through reclear for 3x mythic dinar pieces

[vivid vessel]

ye but

its like

quite behind

[late swallow]

i'm guessing key spam

8s-10s

[hot olive]

think first week of new patch is heroic and m0

and m0 drops champion

[lone spear]

key spamming is legit the best way

if you have friends also gearing alts

[late swallow]

getting an alt for splits ready?

[mighty pivot]

if only they allowed for crests to be transferred

[lone spear]

and/or willing to carry rats

[vivid vessel]

yeee

ok but you cnat key spam

when you have 0 gear

[late swallow]

i mean you can probably get into groups easily

people will see your 4k main io

and slobber and drool

awooga awooga

[lone spear]

playing same class as well

[late swallow]

hubba hubba

[lone spear]

itll be aight

[solar hazel]

when is it best to use junkmaestro? just on cd and bind it to sinister strike?.

[lone spear]

thats fine, but if you're using another on-use i would bind it seperatley

so you can send it before incurring the 20 second icd

[solar hazel]

no it's my only on use

[lone spear]

then yea thats fine pop off king

[vivid vessel]

I guess i need to get the belt

thats free ilvl

[lone spear]

cyrces is still just a good item too

even if its not great ilvl

[vivid vessel]

it get replaced by 658 rings for outlaw

which i basically have already

no ppint

shit ring

[lone spear]

lets u save some crests

by doing the totally ethical bug

[vivid vessel]

will take me more time than farming the crests

[lone spear]

up to u

[late swallow]

farming the upgrades at this stage is just not worth

especially if you're not even using the ring

[lone spear]

it takes like 15min on fresh alts for me

but idk like if u rather spend that time in keys

its probs the same value

we're talking such little time in the grand mountain that is gearing an alt

so its w/e

[late swallow]

bro stop arguing with me!!!!

[lone spear]

no, play the game my way

[late swallow]

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel im not forgiving monksea for the irrepairable damage hes done to PSF pugs

that shaynemail + aemya pull

is so goood

[vivid vessel]

haha

[red zinc]

but none of the tanks can live through it

yet they all think they can

[vivid vessel]

its such a good route aswell

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel I just remembered the best playlist ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i7cs1mztWo&list=PLnBwAA6ObRQjTSL-hRE-fbCTXWzeX-W6u

[vivid vessel]

any of these guys are banger

[indigo token]

here's an idea

make trickster center around DOA instead

that'll fix everything

[wintry solar]

Wtf doa?

[mighty pivot]

I dunno having to play Dead or Alive at the same time as WoW sounds challenging

[wintry solar]

I don't want Trickster Dead On Arrival

[fallow hinge]

or drizzled over apricots, for that matter

[wintry solar]

For every 2 coups, that's 1 full playthrough of Dead Ops Arcade

Any of them

[fallow hinge]

could be worse

you could have to destroy one animal per coup

[wintry solar]

For every coup, that's 1 animal from your farm butchered

I hope you have freezer space

[fallow hinge]

don't have a farm? can't play outlaw

[wintry solar]

Simple as

[fallow hinge]

the price must be paid. No farm, you go after animals you'd rather not destroy

like timmy, the goldfish

[wintry solar]

Or

For the more hardcore

Gun down that stray the roams the street at night

He keeps getting into Grandma Lilly's garbage cans anyway

[balmy topaz]

How can I get a farm

In the middle of Cambridge

[wintry solar]

Yall got rats no?

Chuck a few rocks at a rat or two

Ggs

[random stirrup]

Recruit the homies to get started or buy boost

Took like 2 weeks of key spam on my mirror to get high ilvl so many crests needed

[desert tendon]

what ya talking about liz

[wintry solar]

Cheese

[balmy topaz]

Have trinkets come out for next patch yet

I've not even looked

[reef ruin]

How do I stop dooming about S3

[balmy topaz]

Play dk

[wintry solar]

Frost dk

[vivid vessel]

well

dk prolly getrting nerfed

[crude flower]

Did they make killing spree worse

[vivid vessel]

kinda

appart from the fact it doesnt kill youi

which was a low bar but

apparently it was already a lot for them

[sonic talon]

dk been nice entire expansion

[mighty pivot]

there is no way fdk launches in this state but it might still be top pick

[vivid vessel]

boomie tho

[reef ruin]

Ew 😭

[vivid vessel]

im waiting on tettles tier list

putting boomie in b tier

[late swallow]

Tettles is so cringe man

He legit shits his pants instantly if boomie isn’t giga ahead

[wintry solar]

Sounds like someone I know

[vivid vessel]

ye

outlaw is so ahead

everyone plays outlaw on live

[wintry solar]

And if they're not, they're just leveling their rogues atm

[mighty pivot]

there are legit people thinking that boomie burst is fine

[vagrant saddle]

outlaw is giga broken i saw someone do 20 key on it

[vivid vessel]

crazy how that works

[wintry solar]

Outlaw rolls 2 five buff rolls in a row

Nerf outlaw tbh

Too op

[vagrant saddle]

dw that stops s3

[wintry solar]

Outlaw can move with KS

Still op

[vivid vessel]

ye outlaw was way too op in s2

[wintry solar]

Nerf Outlaw tbh

[vagrant saddle]

man i'll miss this tier set for the feelness of it

[mighty pivot]

make RTB a skill shot, if you land it perfectly you get a 5 buff

[wintry solar]

RTB empower spell when?

[chilly atlas]

boomie gapping ppl frfr

[late swallow]

Haha point me to the boomies haha

[wintry solar]

They should nerf Ace and then nerf opp proc for old times sake

It's been a minute

[late swallow]

Ace should refund a random amount of cps imo

[wintry solar]

About due for another opportunity proc nerf

[late swallow]

More gacha

[vivid vessel]

you should be able to break your gun

rng chance of your gun breakiung

[late swallow]

Holy based

[vivid vessel]

and you have to di asssmeble it

and re assemble it

[red zinc]

World of gun assembly minigame

[wintry solar]

Every gun ability has a 4 second gcd to account for reloading

[late swallow]

Just make it so you need special ammo

[wintry solar]

Hell yeah

Field stripping in raid

[late swallow]

You can only have a certain amount in bags, but you can’t get more in keys

So you have to strategically conserve it

[vivid vessel]

i was about to say the exact same shit haha

like you have to search boddies

between packs

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

to reload your gun

[late swallow]

Only certain mobs drop it, so you have to design the route around the rogue

[wintry solar]

Should clean our guns as well

[vivid vessel]

real

[wintry solar]

Weapon malfunctions

Make it happen blizz

I want to play around all 4 weapon conditions

I'm gonna buy a gun today

[mighty pivot]

if your character gets wet your gunpowder no longer functions and you cannot PS or BtE (or soon KS)

[wintry solar]

Yes

Keep cooking

[strong halo]

Dumb question how does the 1 hour tricks work? If I don’t redo it before every pull I feel like I get aggro

[wintry solar]

You have to generate threat

They can still attack you if you butt pull

[strong halo]

So you just tricks once at beginning of dungeon and that’s it?

[wintry solar]

And attack a mob within 30 seconds

That's it

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

[strong halo]

I do that but I feel like I get aggro all the time idk

[wintry solar]

Are you actually talented into 1hr tricks?

[balmy topaz]

If you have full CPs 3 stacks of coup and a DS stack, do you SS on Full cps or do you finisher and then re build? @vivid vessel

[wintry solar]

If so then idk tbh

[coral onyx]

its really hard to get aggro in combat even if you try

[vivid vessel]

if i have 2 vanish ready i ss at full cp

otherwise i pklay normally

finish then build

[balmy topaz]

Gotcha

[spiral dune]

Was tank using neural silencer?

[mighty pivot]

that would've been hilarious

[keen belfry]

ive died twice on first pull FGs cause tank had neural silencer

2 diff tanks

[spring vessel]

silly question, what does PSF stand for?

[vivid vessel]

priory

[spring vessel]

oh right, priory of the sacred flame

thank you

[spring vessel]

were you able to write up a feedback post about the thoughts you had yesterday?

[vivid vessel]

nopt yet

[spring vessel]

excited to see what you come up with

[vivid vessel]

i have mostly said everything i wanted to say already tbf

[keen belfry]

zac did u guys copy my 18 psf from may for your 21 route

its ok to say u copied me

[vivid vessel]

did you do that route lol]

[keen belfry]

kinda

we pulled the sharpshooters on top of stair first pull tho

[vivid vessel]

you did 2 mionibosses?

[keen belfry]

but we did double mini boss in taht area

yeah

[vivid vessel]

banger

[keen belfry]

when i saw you guys practicing it for your 20 i was like wtf we rando did this in a resi 18 in may

[vivid vessel]

no way

[keen belfry]

XD

may 30th nbd

[vivid vessel]

huge

ye we copied

nice route

ty

[keen belfry]

np

yw

[rose zealot]

Hey team, fairly new to rogues in general, but im a vanilla player at heart. When farming old raids and stuff as Outlaw and using Blade flurry, the upcoming attacks are suppose to cleave, but i find that old raid mobs and so on doesent take any damage from it, so most of the time you need to single target kill them.
Am i doing something wrong here? 🙂

[vivid vessel]

if your target dies the damage isnt flurried

[rose zealot]

Ah ok, that makes sense. Thank you

thought it was a buff that kept going so once you hit another mob that damage would then split between targets

[indigo token]

its annoying as shit

[rose zealot]

yea found out that this week, once i lean into outlaw more for farming

[proven ocean]

Np dude

It’ll get fixed after 5 years

No biggie

[frail veldt]

itll get fixed and cause the BF hitting dead enemies bug

lol

[strong halo]

Evidence of bug abusing smh

[strong halo]

Idk I dps early like 2 seconds and get aggro so I get in my head and redo tricks before every pull

[crude flower]

Ok ik i asked earlier
But is the new spree worse? If so why

[vivid vessel]

the good:

• it doesnt kill you
• new animation
• guns
  the bad:
• super long channel (5s)
• random targeting so loss of prio
• nerfed cd actually had an impact on trickster
• it gives cp now which fucks with trickster since you want to build after ks to spend your ubs

[crude flower]

So gameplay wise
it only has 1 good

The animation is sick tho

[coral onyx]

wow i didnt know it was a 5 sec channel lol

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not

at 7cp with normal haste it is 2.8 seconds

if you supercharge it is 4 seconds

[coral onyx]

yikes

[gaunt phoenix]

but it's still long enough it is better to cancel it

[proven ocean]

7cp!!!!

[crude flower]

Wait, so does it give you the flawless form buff when you press it?
So do you just click it and cancel? Or am i getting it wrong

Also hi zeross :D

[proven ocean]

Hi!

[gaunt phoenix]

you cancel it with a finisher once it builds you to 7cp

[coral onyx]

Would be nice if they'd make something like if you were to cancel it early it inflicts like 20% of the remaining dmg on current target instantly

[crude flower]

Oh that seems dumb.

[crude flower]

What spec you thinking of playing next season :D

[proven ocean]

Hmm lets see here

Twisted bow

Toxic blowpipe

[coral onyx]

How fast does it build you to 7cp?

[proven ocean]

Dragon claws

[coral onyx]

with normal haste

[proven ocean]

Ye, whats going on what am i saying

Different game

[gaunt phoenix]

well, you start with 1 or 2cp

and it gives you a cp every 0.4 seconds

so without lust, it's either 2s or 2.4s

[crude flower]

So they made a shit ability into a shit ability

[proven ocean]

And people blame me on why im hating outoaw

Outlaw sucks balls

[coral onyx]

thats not so bad

i hate the gameplay of canceling channels though

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a pretty minimal optimization

[proven ocean]

Good luck hoping they’d fix that

[proven ocean]

Solo ngl your answer is correct but every minmax is minimal so thats not really a correct answer if that makes sense

[crude flower]

If i ever had to change KS
I'd just make the old one, but when you click it, you can move and play like normal
It just puts a small Dot on the target and shows your character like slicing them

as if your moving blindingly fast or smth

[proven ocean]

Main problem people have is missing a ton of minmaxes

So they end up doing 10-15% less dps

Why?

Omg im not minmaxing the 0.3% dps gain BECAUSE ITS USELESS

BUT SMARTASS UR MISSING 20 OF THEM

[neat mist]

Yeh it already exists

It's called Blade Dance

Just copypaste

[gaunt phoenix]

sure

[crude flower]

Thats the DH one right

[proven ocean]

i didnt mean any of what i said to you sorry if it seemed that way

[vivid vessel]

ye the animation is alright, but its a bit borked ngl, like you cancel it with your autos or someshit idk

[proven ocean]

Was just a general statement

[crude flower]

wait what

that's so funny

[cinder relic]

P sure its MG aint it

[crude flower]

you just cancel the channel automatically