trying to be right
#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
tbf we did just get ragebaited by green name
glass mortar
i mean zac asked u y nobody is playing law if its op
and u told him hes on an ego trip
wdym u dont know about that
proven ocean
🌷 sure 🌷
glass mortar
did he say nobody can play outlaw? anywhere?
sharp hinge
i just joke with you, since i know you can handle it
proven ocean
🌷weran you are correct 🌷
glass mortar
🏄♂️ ty ross i luv u 🏄
cinder relic
4% buffs are a big deal, especially when combined with the KS buff
proven ocean
Love you too 🏄♂️
cinder relic
Especially when I'm gonna assume, the 4% buff is a st buff
on an aoe hero talent
and even looking at araz for example, this is a pure aoe fight
sharp hinge
but no, Zeross is my alt
proven ocean
Guy its also a nice buff that improves good rng which is cool
More coup’s
More cdr
glass mortar
4% buffs when u combine them with ~8% buffs on kspree are indeed a big deal!
thats like 12% whole in buffs
not really relevant to the context of this meme convo tho
proven ocean
Is the KS buff 8%?
glass mortar
dw king im not complaining about our total buffs
proven ocean
Ye
keen belfry
(and reduce ks channel please)
proven ocean
1hr tricks is nice
proven ocean
Honestly weran
Playing trickster and other specs makes me realize how big of an issue aggro is
glass mortar
RIGHT oh god when i do WW keys
glass mortar
im sitting here sweating for like 5s as tank gatherts
proven ocean
When he kires
glass mortar
"can i hit now"
proven ocean
Nothing else
keen belfry
coups rngness mixed with punishment of overcapping, delayed double hit of unseen blade is still. quite ccringe
glass mortar
"can i hit now"
glass mortar
🥹
legit scared af
to open up when im not on my rogue
especially when tanks doing a big pull
sharp hinge
Playing trickster and other specs makes me realize how big of an issue aggro is
oh its huge, as soon as the tank pulls i can help him get aggro
proven ocean
They keep buffing tank aggro i honestly believe thats wrong
I think they need to nerf dps’s aggro generation instead
Skittish us up
All of us
Why tf not
glass mortar
honestly if they arent going to remove aggro what if they buffed tricks aggro
keen belfry
is it easier for tanks to maintain threat from specs that generate threat (big burst specs) when they have a misdirect? or is that not how it works
glass mortar
like tricks redirected 200% of threat or something
so u could actually let ur allies open earlier
by having tricks
proven ocean
like tricks redirected 200% of threat or something
Thats way worse
glass mortar
but then ud need to juggle it in raid which would be cringe
proven ocean
Because it’ll be too 1 sided in relation to solving the issue
Nerf dps aggro by 20% and its good
random stirrup
they keep buffing tank aggro, i dont get why it isn't just 1000% or something
proven ocean
Maybe even 50% if u wanna go far
random stirrup
if a tank is hitting something they get aggro
proven ocean
Maybe even 50% if u wanna go far
I recommend that too
mighty pivot
they keep buffing tank aggro, i dont get why it isn't just 1000% or something
they are careful to avoid enabling constant kiting
proven ocean
Idk if blizzard likes the design of how ppl can randomly die to aggro (1 shot)
Thay happens in raids and high m+
mythic raids ofc
I dont understand how this is an ideal design
glass mortar
the base game has no way of providing good feedback to you being in "Dangerous" threat range or on the cusp of pulling/being able to tell how much threat ur tank that threw one spell at that pack caused either
like its all feels
because the game just isnt designed around it anymore
its pretty bad
random stirrup
they are careful to avoid enabling constant kiting
seems like a symptom of other issues 
cinder relic
I think a 4% st buff is misleading when its the aoe hero talent yk
gaunt phoenix
hmm i dont think it will be a stronger buff in aoe
glass mortar
even better
cinder relic
hmm i dont think it will be a stronger buff in aoe
Dont think so?
gaunt phoenix
it's just damage
glass mortar
i dont really think thats the case, like if you give outlaw a 4% template ability buff you dont buff aoe by more then 4%
why would buffing two ST abilities by a flat % give more in aoe
random stirrup
well more unseen blades could mean higher uptime on flawless form/nimble flurry
if it wasn't already 100%
glass mortar
sure but thats part of the 4%
its not just 4% raw damage, its 4% more dps from the effects of the tier set buff
vivid vessel
we lost uptime on these stuffs with increased ks cd
guys
this boss
kinda an outlaw boss
no capi
glass mortar
!!!
random stirrup
sure but thats part of the 4%
more uptime on flawless form would be bigger in aoe than st right
vivid vessel
and the miniboss can be hit with bte mouseover
glass mortar
why
random stirrup
because nimble flurry is buffing bf specifically
random stirrup
i was suggesting a potential way that the tier could lead to a greater aoe gain
if ff wasnt 100%
obv it is so it doesnt
but hypothesizing why guy would suggest it would be bigger in aoe
random stirrup
kinda an outlaw boss
now u just gotta find an outlaw weapon and a bunch of free gilded to upgrade it in a sub tier 
mighty pivot
week 2 turbo boost 
keen belfry
i wonder i they will do turbo boost again
vivid vessel
goated outlaw boss 
keen belfry
i cant tell if it was lit or not
vivid vessel
its litteraly the perfect outalw boss no capo
muted smelt
its litteraly the perfect outalw boss no capo
perfect for outlaw means perfect for fire mage though right ? XD
brittle rune
its litteraly the perfect outalw boss no capo
Which one ?
vivid vessel
no?
gaunt phoenix
i was about to ask the dumbest question
vivid vessel
thats like
random stirrup
there is infinite target swapping 
gaunt phoenix
If double coup flips a coin
random stirrup
gl on assa
brittle rune
Not good then
gaunt phoenix
nope
vivid vessel
even then
brittle rune
I'm sad
vivid vessel
assa doesnt have frequent cleave
like outlaw
i think we arenot on the same
vibe
random stirrup
deathstalker looks miserable on that fight
brittle rune
Great
random stirrup
the timings look a bit cursed for sub
mighty pivot
i wonder i they will do turbo boost again
it spiked runs for 2 weeks but from that point onwards it was on par with other weeks in terms of runs. I guess that's worth it for them?
cinder relic
I literally cant think of a worse sin boss than this boss LOL
random stirrup
yeah it looks atrocious for sin
keen belfry
it spiked runs for 2 weeks but from that point onwards it was on par with other ...
its objectively super good for business so id wager they do it again, and it felt nice to move the wall and feel like you made progress. but a lot of people did not like it
vivid vessel
banger outalw boss tho
vivid vessel
I literally cant think of a worse sin boss than this boss LOL
did you play sub or outlaw on it
cinder relic
Suberoni
languid coral
why do i use double wound in cinderbrew
languid coral
@vivid vessel
cinder relic
No because DND exists
languid coral
okay
random stirrup
why do i use double wound in cinderbrew
the yes men at the end heal
languid coral
so what you spec out of
cinder relic
Well its not free cuz it means u have to drop atro
random stirrup
can prevent them from full healing with wound if u omega cleave them
cinder relic
and atro is a large defensive
brittle rune
Sub good boss for it or not ?
cinder relic
in addition, DND exists like I said
DK utility is broken as fuck this tier
Like lol
languid coral
vivid vessel
why do i use double wound in cinderbrew
last 4 mobs
keen belfry
DK utility is broken as fuck this tier
can u give more examples im curious
vivid vessel
heals
cinder relic
can u give more examples im curious
Grip is very good on many bosses
random stirrup
da on first guy 
sharp hinge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392944663094362228/1393305032740573285/c...
is that critcake
languid coral
is that critcake
that is him indeed
sharp hinge
hes missing his turtle neck
languid coral
a chill guy
late swallow
dk's are still gonna shit and piss their pants that they have no raid buff
anyone have that cringe pasta?
from their server?
late swallow
yeah fr critcake looks like an uncustomized character
cinder relic
Everybody go harass devs on twitter to get more utility
late swallow
Everybody go harass devs on twitter to get more utility
the most cringe "movement" from any wow disc I've ever seen probably
random stirrup
bro how many mechanics are on this dh boss
random stirrup
there is so much stuff happening
late swallow
100
Hey everyone, mi sorry fi di ping, but dis ya serious.
Di PTR patch note drop dis week, an dem still nah seh nutten ’bout di feedback we gi dem ’bout Death Grip. It cyaah work as no raid buff, an now dem tek weh Abomination Limb an a act like dem do we one big favour? Dat gone too far now. Dem nuh listen, so we haffi mek dem hear we.
Anybody weh feel seh dem dealin’ Death Knights real unjust right now, mi a beg yuh — jump pon whatever social media yuh like, an use di hashtag #GripIsNOTaRaidBuff. Keep postin’ till dem cyaah ignore we no more.
Fi all di Unholy crew weh done fed up wit how dem a treat Unholy an nah pay we no mind, yuh can add #DeleteWounds too.
But hear mi good now: No disrespect, no threats, no foolishness. If mi see it, yuh get ban straight — mi nah joke. We deh yah fi voice we concerns, not fi bring war.
proven ocean
100
Hey everyone, mi sorry fi di ping, but dis ya serious.
Di PTR patch note drop dis week, an dem still nah seh nutten ’bout di feedback we gi dem ’bout Death Grip. It cyaah work as no raid buff, an now dem tek weh Abomination Limb an a act like dem do we one big favour? Dat gone too far now. Dem nuh listen, so we haffi mek dem hear we.
Anybody weh feel seh dem dealin’ Death Knights real unjust right now, mi a beg yuh — jump pon whatever social media yuh like, an use di hashtag #GripIsNOTaRaidBuff. Keep postin’ till dem cyaah ignore we no more.
Fi all di Unholy crew weh done fed up wit how dem a treat Unholy an nah pay we no mind, yuh can add #DeleteWounds too.
But hear mi good now: No disrespect, no threats, no foolishness. If mi see it, yuh get ban straight — mi nah joke. We deh yah fi voice we concerns, not fi bring war.
late swallow
0 gpt btw
late swallow
i paid an illiterate jamaican bum on the street to translate for me
former dk player
vivid vessel
critcake > zac
wtf ?
tulip quarry
Hey everyone, mi sorry fi di ping, but dis ya serious.
Di PTR patch note drop d...
Ave caesar, non legere te salutant!
glass mortar
is foreverguy baiting us? all the dks ive seen have told me grip is USELESS in the new raid tier and blizzard is TOXIC for their refusal to acknowledge it cant make up for a raid buff
😠
chilly atlas
the mechanic is it takes a dump on your monitor
cinder relic
Shit is happening 
chilly atlas
sounds like typical wow design
vivid vessel
do shit !
cinder relic
Both the last boss and this boss have the worst melee hitboxes its insane
vivid vessel
yeeee
even the boss before
it was weird
like you are in the red circle
but you aint in melee
vivid vessel
ye lol
sharp hinge
what boss was the 15 minute fight
serene cosmos
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix
im getting skill issued by top gear
where tf do you put the ptr=1
in top gear
i swear i tried every box
ohh nvm
its my simc input that it doesnt want
my bad
cuh
ye i was wondering how much value gs had now with new tier on these low targets bosses
the dh boss is a 3? target boss
but you have to target swap a lot
cause it jumps around
a bit like council in admidrassil
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/maTW4nvYmBu411RnwWYua8
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8aDEY5qgw9RSxUsFWx3fE
in 2 and 3 targets gs is barely ahead
so its prolly a 2 fth boss
gaunt phoenix
i see
lime lake
is the fight as cursed as it looks watching it
dull geyser
is this whole discord just shitposting and memes
vivid vessel
is the fight as cursed as it looks watching it
ye kinda
its council from admidrassil
but with mechanics
council was jsut nothing happening
and bosses jumping around
sharp hinge
discord is boring if youre serious all the time
vivid vessel
this one is council with jumps
but also with mechanics
bosses are shitting stuffs out
on cd
also you have an intermission
where you soak
sharp hinge
Zac you have 4k io?
quaint mauve
current raid tier was too easy they had to go crazy for this one ig
sharp hinge
cuz youre a freaken beast
i havent seen anyone with 4k io
i was happy with 3.3k
completely shat on me
sharp hinge
true, i dont have a static group, i just pug
prisma vessel
my highest is 2.7k (pugs mostly)
sharp hinge
3k is super easy this season, mostly just pushed my own key
prisma vessel
i just hit 2.2k on rogue, i should push my key.
did 2.7k on my WW monk
got bored. after that.
vivid vessel
completely shat on me
ye get owned noob
covert kestrel
is this whole discord just shitposting and memes
My mom only gives me 1hr of internet time a day so I need to shit post as much as I can before my tendies are ready
late swallow
My mom only gives me 1hr of internet time a day so I need to shit post as much a...
how many good boy points does that run ya?
mommy makes me change my diapey before I go on disc
covert kestrel
how many good boy points does that run ya?
150, that bitch has inflation
vivid vessel
@cinder relic
prisma vessel
should i make my dwarf a kul tiran? so essentially going from short fat guy to tall fat guy?
vivid vessel
you giyus have a weka aura for the boss ? 
its so stupid
boss is already
solved
and done
boring af
late swallow
should i make my dwarf a kul tiran? so essentially going from short fat guy to t...
dwarf is technically bis for outlaw
vivid vessel
go to sign and do nothing for 5 min 
sharp hinge
ye get owned noob
if i had as time time as you i could hit 4k too 😉
cinder relic
you giyus have a weka aura for the boss ? <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
Yeah
its nonsense
Ppl have gotten too good at making weakauras
This fight is like
the EXACT reason these addons need to get deleted
This shit is so nonsense
prisma vessel
thats... crazy
vivid vessel
hahaha
ye i mean
the boss is also
idk
blizzard knows?
players can do that
its strange to me
they would make a boss like that
lil map and shit
🤖
jolly geyser
kil jaeden&archimonde wa status
pearl trout
I thought those kind of WA were not possible to be made after what happened of M Archimonde
shy pecan
@gaunt phoenix goat
cinder relic
They found ways to do it despite the restrictions added in legion
vivid vessel
I thought those kind of WA were not possible to be made after what happened of M...
well it doesnt show a spot on the ground
its just a map
its not differnt to a text saying go green
just that there is a visual attached
quiet ore
They found ways to do it despite the restrictions added in legion
a lot of the time it's just consistent tank positioning allowing you to use fixed assets
pearl trout
still crazy damn, no wonder why they want combat addons deadge 💀
cinder relic
I think this fight is like, the perfect showcase for why addons need to get nuked
vivid vessel
ok i do agree BUT
its also the perfect example of fights they shouldnt do
and they know it
which is why im confused
they did it
strong cargo
Yeah it's weird lol, they are aware what weakaura can do and don't want fights requiring weakauras, but if they still design fights that can be easily done with it then they know it will be done 🤔
jolly geyser
I hope they tone down the WA usage, but meh. I just play the game to chill outside the obivous
errant arrow
Different bosses for different people, it's not an end boss so I don't mind
sharp hinge
Zac have you ever invited a girl over and showed her how you play rogue in high keys
gave her like the Pikaboo special
vivid vessel
i just had started wow back when i had a gf, so i was a noob, nothing to show
sharp hinge
if you ever do, please stream. ill gift you 100 subs
covert kestrel
i just had started wow back when i had a gf, so i was a noob, nothing to show
Gave up gf in pursuit of greatness 
vivid vessel
if you ever do, please stream. ill gift you 100 subs
?
oh you mean
cause i stream litteraly everyday cuh
i dont have time for a gf tho i prefer wow
massive wow enjoyer
sharp hinge
it could be like an irl stream, would be fun! maybe youll go viral and able to quit your job to play wow
sharp hinge
or find a hot wow gf
vivid vessel
teach her to play wow
no time for that
coaching is 100e an hour
if she can pay
sure
vivid vessel
no
i dont have time to coach people
i dont actually coach people
its just the price i would mayeb accept to lose 1 hour of my life
maybe
free time is valuable
people forget
covert kestrel
its just the price i would mayeb accept to lose 1 hour of my life
What's your friends and family discount
vivid vessel
120
copper radish
whats the minimum haste for just HO again
sudden fulcrum
is that really a thing
opal raven
!haste
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
pliant wind
HO will be ugly with the new tier set i think
nimble sage
HO will be ugly with the new tier set i think
why
pliant wind
You will reroll till the end of the world
nimble sage
isnt that what we are doing rn?
glass mortar
wdym
glass mortar
its just gunna be s1 again where u play loaded dice and roll whenever u got the buff
roll on cd gunna be gone
supercharger also probably dead for HO
unluck
pliant wind
Time to kir
wintry solar
Def dead
glass mortar
means u can drop some haste off gear tho
and yes it means kir will likely gap HO again
glass mortar
only time will tell of course but not being able to abuse supercharger as much as kir does hurt its competition
hopefully similar or less then the gap between them s1
red zinc
yes and no
sharp hinge
we need a chad emoji
red zinc
bullying ho players is fun
frank finch
so all they have to do id reduce ks duration upto the point where it fills 7 cp
red zinc
but playing kir even more fun
frank finch
easy emough surely
glass mortar
i mean we had that s1
wintry solar
Loser
glass mortar
whether it was due to HO actually being undertuned or solo being gone and zac propaganda taking over who knows
think rn kir is noticably ahead on ptr tho, feels that way anyway
red zinc
idk man
red zinc
there isnt anyone playing ho doing enough damage to prove its currently on par either
even though it sims quite similar
maybe my view wouldnt be as distorted if there were ho players doing 6m+ overall in ML
glass mortar
idk how u do 6m overall in that key ngl
the way u pull the last 20% of the dungeon
u do half the dps u should do on that pull because of how its pulled
unless u mean logs
but who tf logs m+ honestly
red zinc
awang just did 6.4 on details
sudden fulcrum
i do
sudden fulcrum
vivid vessel
what time is t1 vs the other guys
red zinc
2am
sharp hinge
solo changing classes?
red zinc
whachu yapping about
sharp hinge
whether it was due to HO actually being undertuned or solo being gone and zac pr...
someone said solo being gone
red zinc
yeah he was on a break in s1
glass mortar
solo wasnt here in s1
red zinc
because people spam pinged him as they always do while he wanted to take a break
so he dipped
sharp hinge
ahhh
thought he was pulling some preheat shenanigans
or should i say, Pyreheat now
tender breach
trickster HO - trickster KIR diff in m+ next patch?
sudden fulcrum
we're all playing subtlety in next patch
wintry depot
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
nimble sage
the ks buff in 11.2 ptr seem good, no?
nimble sage
is that an issue if you cna move in it?
sharp hinge
you cant cancel it
vivid vessel
idk if i wanted to cast maybe i would have played a caster
why do you play outlaw
for most people its the fast paced gameplay
its quite central to the spec
nimble sage
yeah, nice with a pause aint it?
nimble sage
20s is the issue, not the 5sec, no?
nimble sage
how long is mount cast, is it 2sec?
sudden fulcrum
they know you're getting old so they're just giving you a rest
vivid vessel
who actaully want to sit trough a 5s channel
nimble sage
i wanna change my opinion
2sec cast is ok, would prefer every 40s instead of 20s though
vivid vessel
idk, the whole hero talent is made around the spell
i aslo think its fun to cast a differnet finsiher from time to time
also no matter the cooldown
i dont think its fun
to afk
trough a 5s channel
doing nothing
but watching a cast bar
glad ruin
i just dont get why they insist on keeping the channel so long
nimble sage
havent people been feeling very strong about the 5sec cast? can we not be sure they will change it before release?
vivid vessel
yes
every single feedback has been that its too long
but they have made a few changes
not a single one going this wauy
so
idk
covert heart
I still believe it isnt long enough, gotta be 10 secs
vivid vessel
its blizzard
nimble sage
it'll be the final change before release
inland acorn
They want u to watch pretty animation
sudden fulcrum
i think it's weird as hell to take a fast paced spec like outlaw and give it a channel at all
nimble sage
they're just stringing us along
vivid vessel
it wouldnt suprise me for them to just ignore all feedback
nimble sage
nah, they dont do that , right
vivid vessel
i think it's weird as hell to take a fast paced spec like outlaw and give it a c...
:)
rancid portal
But can you cancel the cast with other spell right?
upbeat tundra
blizzard's M.O. is to make something really dogshit on purpose, let the community screech about it, fix it, look like the hero cause they seem like they are listening to the playerbase
a tale as old as time
covert heart
I have a feeling because it's what blizzard does is ignore it than in the .5 patch change the channel time
vivid vessel
But can you cancel the cast with other spell right?
yes
what does that change
they prolly will tune it so we lose damage canceling it anwyay
rn you would cancel it once reaching max cp
glad ruin
say they did just yeet ks, what spell would they then attach to trickster in its place? br?
inland acorn
They don't need to yeet ks
inland acorn
Just adjust is according to feedback
glad ruin
idk id be happy if they yote ks
upbeat tundra
is yote a word
glad ruin
is yote a word
yurr
covert heart
Would you be fine if they cut damage in half but make it twice as fast? Or its gotta be half the cast but the same damage?
vivid vessel
i dont really see the point of a long channel
i mena they dont need to cut the damage anyway
its not like
outlaw was strong rn
covert heart
I havent really checked the damage on it so wasn't quite sure
vivid vessel
currently it does like
10/15% of your damage in st
as trickster
i dont care if it does more or less honeslty
only issue i have with that is that the damage isnt on your main target in aoe
its rng targetting
so you lose prio damage
and losing 10% prio damage
is quite massive
if you think about how relevant prio damage is in all type of content
covert heart
Thats true, prob just better if it just attacked the person you selected
vivid vessel
- most specs in wow just gain prio with more targets
its jsut cringe that the prio spec
we have been the prio spec for so long
would just lose damage
from more targets
teal dust
if you think about how relevant prio damage is in all type of content
elvis got a question, is the gap between ho and kir the same between ptr and live
vivid vessel
nah ho is worse on ptr
but on live ho is better in st
we will go back to having kir about 5% ahead in st prolly
covert heart
Its because of the 4 piece lose right?
vivid vessel
ye the tier was better for ho in the end
and playing supercharger benefited ho a bit
which you wont be playing with anymore without tier
teal dust
we will go back to having kir about 5% ahead in st prolly
so you sayin ho deadge?
covert heart
I actually like playing kir more for single target but maybe it's because I am use to it
vivid vessel
so you sayin ho deadge?
no
vivid vessel
kir has been ahead for the longest time
nimble sage
this should be the new ks
vivid vessel
for about that number
and it has never been an issue
even when kir is ahead
even in the top 100 logs
you have 90% ho
ho is simpler to play
have fewer downsides
vivid vessel
in m+ it has been a bit more behind ye
glass mortar
i do miss it tho
frigid gorge
for about that number
Yo Zac, have you simmed GSW?
glad ruin
giga real, for every good log i get playing kir, i also go and get like 4 meh logs
vivid vessel
kekw
covert heart
Yea I was trying ho for raid and didnt feel as good so I went back to kir
vivid vessel
Yo Zac, have you simmed GSW?
idk if this is a real question lol
indigo token
idk im enjoying new KS
frigid gorge
Its a real question
indigo token
i will say
indigo token
i am kind of confused on when to use KS vs Vanish
vivid vessel
till they do something about it
frigid gorge
Im asking it because I did a GSW build for PvP and it actually competes with KIR and HO
vivid vessel
i am kind of confused on when to use KS vs Vanish
basically ks on cd, and vanish when you wont lose cdr
surreal walrus
best button to macro ghost stab to?
i do not care at all to use it on its own or optimally, just to ensure it goes off a majority of the time the macro is pressed
frigid gorge
and am curious if it also works in PvE
glass mortar
u can play whatever in pvp
vivid vessel
say 30/40s on ks to vanish
glass mortar
u could probably climb to 2400+ with no capstone in pvp tbh
pvp tc is always a bit of a meme
cause what wins outlaw games isnt raw damage anyway
frigid gorge
2v2s is raw damage
glass mortar
ah well i only do shuf and 3s maybe its moreso in 2s
vivid vessel
in pve
glass mortar
yea gsw just bad
vivid vessel
idk wtf is pvp scaling
glass mortar
numerically in pve
vivid vessel
or whatever
teal dust
the last time gsw was good was DF s1 XD
glass mortar
pvp scaling heavily nerfs bte and GSW is a capstone not about bte power so its probably more competative
frigid gorge
I dont know how to use experimental sim but this is the build I was running
vivid vessel
its prolly -20% behind in pvp aswell tbf
upbeat tundra
when is fellowship comin out
frigid gorge
Surprisingly no
glass mortar
wait no HO also why
random stirrup
when is fellowship comin out
ea this year
vivid vessel
you have cb which is litteraly not a talent
glass mortar
ambush slams and u can have it and GSW
vivid vessel
you dont have ho
upbeat tundra
ea this year
i cant wait
glass mortar
wait wtf why do we have CB
glad ruin
surely crackshot is good in pvp too?
random stirrup
i cant wait
excited as well
surreal walrus
best button to macro ghost stab to?
i do not care at all to use it on its own or optimally, just to ensure it goes off a majority of the time the macro is pressed
upbeat tundra
fellowship has a solo que imagine just logging into a game and clicking play and then you play wtf LOGIN
glass mortar
i still think u can play almost anything in pvp
random stirrup
best button to macro ghost stab to?
i do not care at all to use it on its own or...
everything
frigid gorge
but in raw pvp numbers, it pumps
random stirrup
well ss/ps/dispatch/bte
teal dust
miss the old days where you could play both kir and ho in m+
vivid vessel
idk
glass mortar
u can do that rn wdym
teal dust
XD
vivid vessel
perception
perseption
idk
perception
percieve
power
percieved power
idk
you get my point
prisma vessel
coffee?
glass mortar
HO is pretty strong rn
stronger then itll be next season prob
not as good as kir on the high end in keys but it certainly isnt far behind
teal dust
talking about ho in m+ for season 3 which i assume wont be playable
glass mortar
yea it needs a bit of tuning for that prob
teal dust
every video i see froma rogue in ptr they are always the bottom dps XD
nimble sage
at this very moment, how does the three specs compare in difficulty to perform? like easiest to hardest?
surreal walrus
2th question
can i bind junkmaestro to everything like ghostly strike
teal dust
does not matter the spec
glass mortar
outlaw > sub >>>>>>>> sin but ur not exactly gunna get unbiased opinions on that in here so
different people find different things hard as well
nimble sage
so outlaw is the easiest one?
glass mortar
no
nimble sage
oh other way around
surreal walrus
played all 3, seem to reck ass as sub, outlaw looks fun, fk assass
past falcon
at this very moment, how does the three specs compare in difficulty to perform? ...
keys or in a raid environment? sub isn’t complicated but it’s hard to perform well in keys without a good understanding of the route
teal dust
you get my point
stream ptr D:
glass mortar
subs about cd management, sins about dot and cd, outlaw is about apm and snap reactions
nimble sage
I had real difficulty picking up outlaw so im just wondering how difficult another spec would be, it feels like i got the essence of outlaw now after 1,5 week roughly
vivid vessel
stream ptr D:
i will try again tomrrow
glass mortar
in keys all 3 can be pretty difficult imo
vivid vessel
no one is playing
glass mortar
in raid outlaw >>>> sub >>>>>>>>> sin
vivid vessel
and i dont have a friend list on ptr
glass mortar
and i will take no arguments
surreal walrus
imo, you dont even need to change talents as sub for M+
vivid vessel
i need to find my way into a grp
with the streamers people
so i dont just pug randoms
teal dust
and i dont have a friend list on ptr
can you please do 1 HO key whenever so i can watch the vod XD
vivid vessel
no
teal dust
sadge
surreal walrus
yeah you can optimes the shriuken thing... but 90% of dmg comes from nimble flurry and onces thats over, shriuiken isnt gonna save you
and black powder is worthless, rather just use the down time killing the caster or prio add
which is main target anyways with nimble up
upbeat tundra
wow is so much more fun watching than it is actually trying to play it
surreal walrus
i mean you could turn brain off and go ret/bm
upbeat tundra
no you cant
i mean if youj want to turn your brain off and sit in dornogol
all roads lead to sitting in dornogol if you dont have friends or arent playing the meta tank/healer
surreal walrus
sounds like you need to go play league
upbeat tundra
ill just watch streamers instead lol
surreal walrus
where to macro junkmaestro?
upbeat tundra
im content playing poe and just watching yoda
sudden fulcrum
watching WoW just makes me want to play tbh
upbeat tundra
(and then you login and sit in dornogol)
sudden fulcrum
if you refuse to socialize then yeah
surreal walrus
im currently in dorn converting over from sub to out
sudden fulcrum
WoW sucks and so do most games
surreal walrus
leasure suit larry was a good game
glass mortar
where to macro junkmaestro?
dont
upbeat tundra
if you refuse to socialize then yeah
luckily every other competitive game created in the past 2 decades has a que system
surreal walrus
legend of dragoon
sudden fulcrum
luckily every other competitive game created in the past 2 decades has a que sys...
do you really think that would change anything?
surreal walrus
every main final fantasy except 11 12 13(all)
upbeat tundra
do you really think that would change anything?
yea it would let every single other person not playing the 5 exact god comp meta specs the ability to play the computer game the same as the ones who are
kinda like how you can pick any champ in league you want and nobody can tell you that you cant
indigo token
every main final fantasy except 11 12 13(all)
13 2 is goated
surreal walrus
nah
all 13 were aberrations with 0 direction and agreement among all the devs working on them
sudden fulcrum
yea it would let every single other person not playing the 5 exact god comp meta...
what's stopping you from running your own key?
surreal walrus
they wanted to make some whole saga out of it but ended up with the disjointed mess of 13-1 13-2 13-3, then realized the failure and used scrapped assets to make T0 and 15
but 15 was decent at least
16 good on its own as a standalone but no way at all like any of the otheres
upbeat tundra
what's stopping you from running your own key?
well at the moment its this, but not sure if you've tried to get to another resil level before running your own key so you dont spend 2 hours attempting to do a key you dont need with strangers. lets say i have 2 keys left for the next resil level, and the key in my bag isnt that key. do you want me to run that key over and over praying i get one that i need and potentionally spend hours attempting to get a single shot? or should i probably just go into lfg and sign up for the exact 2 keys that i need so i can run my own key? well what happens if that process takes hours for even a single invite? its just not worth it, im good on all that. fellowship will have a solo que so ill just wait for that
sudden fulcrum
even if there was a queue it doesn't solve any of those problems
upbeat tundra
gotcha
sudden fulcrum
you still have to hope you get the key you want and time it
it could still take a long time
but that's why it's so important to network with any game. if you have a group of friends that's 5 chances to get the key you want
upbeat tundra
zero people are saying that if they added a solo que that the current key system would work with it
no clue what ur on about
sudden fulcrum
and they won't just leave or insult you if something goes wrong
upbeat tundra
but that's why it's so important to network with any game. if you have a group o...
oh i should find a group of friends, why didnt i think of that wtf
upbeat tundra
genius
sudden fulcrum
ya i think i see why you don't have a group of friends hehe
upbeat tundra
teehee
craggy barn
lets goooo
gaunt phoenix
lets goooo
torpid fiber
gzgzgz
craggy barn
first kill 87 parse lets gooooo
vivid vessel
1 (one)
frank finch
looks liek a boost to me
random stirrup
honestly im surprised that's only a 1
would think there would be more boosts or people that died early
we had an outlaw buyer on gallywix press 4 btes and then jump off and he got a 5
delicate seal
we had an outlaw buyer on gallywix press 4 btes and then jump off and he got a 5...
lmao
prisma vessel
we had an outlaw buyer on gallywix press 4 btes and then jump off and he got a 5...
pro
vale warren
Did he just press it until he didn't get an ace proc
sharp hinge
whats the point of slice and dice if we never press it
mighty pivot
you can laugh at people still tracking it
gaunt phoenix
sometimes you use it between pulls
grave rose
sharp hinge
sometimes you use it between pulls
lol when
i dont think ive ever used it this whole season
same with fucken pick pocket
gaunt phoenix
Well currently there's a bug that lets you spam it for cdr
but rarely ill hit it to not drop alacrity between some pulls
gaunt phoenix
ye
sharp hinge
is that some hidden tech
sharp hinge
makes sense, i didnt even think of that though
nova basin
it worth spanking energy on ps>finisher during boss immunes etc? (just off top of head ML last boss waiting for him to do his bs flying around when adds are dead)
vivid vessel
cdr cycling is important
if you are jsut letting adr drop
then you do tank damage
so yes
opaque flume
but rarely ill hit it to not drop alacrity between some pulls
i was so sad to come back to wow from SL and see alacrity completely gutted
same with the melee range
torpid fiber
I wonder if KS cancelling being optimal but such a minor gain was an intentional design choice to address the length issue while not making it a trap for people who don't know about cancelling
I'm dubious it was, but we know the devs have access to simc obviously
vivid vessel
uh
wintry solar
I can see that being a thing but why would they do that at all?
vivid vessel
just make the cast shorter
torpid fiber
(If if was I would have preferred they just said that tbf)
vivid vessel
toughts
torpid fiber
true!!!
vivid vessel
i mena honestly
wintry solar
Ideally yeah
vivid vessel
it shouldnt even scale with cp spents
just make it a 2 sec cast always
or whatever
and fuck it man
torpid fiber
CP spent should just add hits in the cast window or w/e
red zinc
if they made it a shorter cast with same damage cancelling issue would also be solved
I think like
always 2s cast but you get the cps you spend on it back?
torpid fiber
I guess one upside of how it is now is that you can probably use it as really shit acro
red zinc
(and more damage obviously)
vivid vessel
I guess one upside of how it is now is that you can probably use it as really sh...
ok bro
torpid fiber
Yeah it's insane cope
wintry solar
I've been out coped
torpid fiber
But I don't think it's useless to think about the ability that way now that it's such a small damage loss to full channel it
obviously you probably wouldn't hold it but if it lined up
vivid vessel
meh
its also like
impossible to know
if you are in range
or not
the animation is shit for that
and its too short
to be safe
when you are out of melee
torpid fiber
if you are in range
just turn on floating damage numbers
red zinc
lizzard gets a whelming 5.2/10 for this ptr cycle
wintry solar
Should just make it the range of your pistol abilities
vivid vessel
cause its litteraly impossible to tell
red zinc
How are you going to make a range wa
torpid fiber
Should just make it the range of your pistol abilities
I unironically think this, it would make it a real detach
red zinc
Thought they removed range tracking
vivid vessel
no
torpid fiber
How are you going to make a range wa
Check if it's doing damage
red zinc
buh
vivid vessel
i dont think we have other 8 yard range spells
so its not gonna be accurate
oh maybe we have uh
the thing
pick pocket
i think that thing is 8 yard
red zinc
if they let me cook only outlaw talents i would fix like half the issues the spec has just by movin shit around
vivid vessel
:)
red zinc
my idea list rn
torpid fiber
look either way I'm looking forwards to playing wow again next patch because I'm getting so sick of ff14 dps other than blm that it's dragging down the rest of the really fun msq/levelling experience for me
red zinc
buff bf to 60% and delete nimble flurry so fatebound isnt perpetually ass on aoe
Move ks into trickster tree
so kir 2fth is back
vivid vessel
fatebound is ass in aoe cause the talents are made to not scale in aoe
for some reason
red zinc
I mean
fathom bramble
vivid vessel
red zinc
I mean fatebound is clearly a low cleave tree with how its written now
But even low cleave its bad because no 20% multi bf
torpid fiber
holy shit
craggy barn
ah
vivid vessel
for like a little bit
craggy barn
well first time CE we did it
red zinc
Its just the #1 thing i stand by man
Ks has to be turbo overtuned to not feel shitty in fb builds
Why is it not just the first / second node in trickster
illogical
vivid vessel
ks feels better with fatebound
than trickster
cause new ks
legit
does not work
with trickster
having full cp
when you need to spend ub ??
non sensical
i wish devs thought about what they do
for more than 5sec
proven ocean
ks feels better with fatebound
than trickster
cause new ks
legit
does not work
with trickster
having full cp
when you need to spend ub ??
non sensical
i wish devs thought about what they do
for more than 5sec
vivid vessel
they are litteraly oogoo gagaoing all over their keyboard doing random shit no cap
proven ocean
they are litteraly oogoo gagaoing all over their keyboard doing random shit no cap
red zinc
ross
y
red zinc
wintry solar
Boringgggg
red zinc
didnt have shit to talk about
wintry solar
You need excitement
vivid vessel
You need excitement
what changed
proven ocean
no boom boom no excitement
vivid vessel
why are you well oiled now
wintry solar
why are you well oiled now
It's Koffings doing
vivid vessel
i see
vivid vessel
i would be scared to be talking to a guy that dont listen to music
red zinc
You can listen to literally anything idc
vivid vessel
bro prolly have people tied up in his cave
proven ocean
i would be scared to be talking to a guy that dont listen to music
i like listening to you
oh wait...
vivid vessel
??
vivid vessel
wtf