outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

you press coup and get the buff but then it doesnt tick down until coup is over

[south glen]

im gonna go blow up, see yall later

[wintry solar]

Bye

[gaunt phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071623449056915458/1204479291010850856/1089685999552036936.gif

[glass mortar]

i realized i played gally last night the entire night with ST ho trickster and 14% haste

because i rejigged my gear so i could haste flask for kir a few weeks ago then havent raided since

☠️

[gaunt phoenix]

i would have haste flasked as ho there

[glass mortar]

yup

same

it sims identical to vers flask but holy fuck my variance

several times i had 5 buffs, ar, and no energy for like 10s straight

it was crazy

we killed the boss on my worst pull of the night and i didnt roll a 5 buff once the whole kill pull but i got my mount so

done with season

[solar hazel]

say you have a boss with some adds how many adds you need ontop for cudgel to be better then a other offhand?

[wintry solar]

Sigh

My mourning over current tier set starts now

[mighty pivot]

permanent adds or respawning ones? Cudgel does not reset in general during boss combat, even if you are hitting adds

[glass mortar]

cant think of any bosses where cudgel doesnt reset that i would wear it

you'd need like constant waves of 5-8 adds, probably at least every 30s for the whole fight

keep in mind even in dedicated aoe with the weapon proccing every vanish its only like 1.5 to 2% ahead

[solar hazel]

if you vanish cudgel resets no?

you can also swap midfight

[glass mortar]

vanish doesnt reset combat in boss fights

so no

[solar hazel]

i can swap my weapons though

midfight

[glass mortar]

u can swap yes but unless you do it during kspree it costs a gcd

which can be very costly for law

[mighty pivot]

yeah with constant adds you can sometimes get a slight boost with a high ilvl OH instead of capo's hc. When I simmed it a crafted OH was slightly better than capo's at 3 targets and higher

[solar hazel]

yeah but lets say you start boss with 8 adds on it

?

[glass mortar]

nah

doubt its worth even 0.1% dps

u can try if u wanna for fun

[solar hazel]

i mean i do it now

[glass mortar]

then keep doing it if u enjoy it

its probably not a loss

probably marginal or margin of error change to dps in sims

[solar hazel]

yeah i was just wondering if it mattered

[glass mortar]

because this is so minimal

[red zinc]

its a loss unless you manage to magically overlap add windows with your ks

and swap mid ks

[sharp hinge]

Lets start a petition to change cheat deaths name to flirt with death

[cold jewel]

as is tradition

[gaunt phoenix]

is it

outlaw sometimes cranks theoretical st

i guess less often than not

[cold jewel]

it just seems like as secondaries go higher later into a patch/expac its just natural no?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's just the whims of tuning idk

like amirdrassil outlaw simmed really well

[cold jewel]

we need to be tuned really well and slide under the radar for the first 2-3 weeks

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[cold jewel]

or just get bugfixed halfway into a patch kekw

although that doesn't really affect our ST but it's still funny!

[hot island]

Hey, so i was watching zac's 22 DFC and im curious, how can he somewhat consistently get windows where he can dispatch/BTE/dispatch/BTE/dispatch/BTE into a blade flurry? I find that often when I play I rarely get that many CP refunds

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

there's no secret, it's just a proc

[random stirrup]

supercharging bte also increases the chance of a refund

[gaunt phoenix]

i think if you take zac log and look at his ace resets, its the same luck as yours

[cold jewel]

zac gets unlucky too, just the price of admission

[vale warren]

Zac hacks for better ace rng

[gaunt phoenix]

and ye supercharger affects it but you dont deliberately try to supercharge ace

[vale warren]

You heard it here first

[hot island]

Yea ofc, was wondering if there was a way to enable it

[gaunt phoenix]

you just roll when you need to roll

[cold jewel]

the first 9 or 10 streak is unreal tho you actually feel like ur cheating

[random stirrup]

i think he does force it a little bit from what ive seen

not to any crazy degree

[hot island]

Also this is something I assume I'm doing wrong but I thought we were supposed to spam BTE during subterfuge but what's the reason for swapping between the two

[cold jewel]

when you dont get a procc

its bte until you need to build again

[gaunt phoenix]

The dispatch is automatically casted by crackshot

[cold jewel]

o i thought he meant

nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont actually press dispatch

[hot island]

OHHH

That answers the question then

I was looking at the spell casts and I guess it's those dispatches that I was getting confused by

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm i think if you hold the "roll after kir" for vanish then it's prob fine

[hot island]

You know what now that I use my brain I can also see that it doesn't show as having any CP spent on it either

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a very common question dw

would rather someone ask as opposed to not ask

[hot island]

Crap I thought I found a specific thing I was doing wrong that I could improve, guess I suck at something else then

[random stirrup]

also rolling during subterfuge (when conditions are met) is going to supercharge your btes, which you may not be doing

[hot island]

I'm most definitely doing this slightly wrong yes

[random stirrup]

but mostly just rng

[gaunt phoenix]

yea rolling during stealth is good, not just for supercharge, but not losing cooldown reduction on rtb

[daring oxide]

Zac has that special WA which makes his Ace proc 69%

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[hot island]

Is this a roll after KIR or a general reroll?

[random stirrup]

👍 was just referring to original question of cp refund rate

[gaunt phoenix]

just in general, some people try to deliberably avoid rolling in stealth, but if you meet a condition to roll then you should roll, in stealth or not

[hot island]

What is that condition again? I usually just roll a few BTE after I use my kir

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya i wasnt trying to correct you or something

[hot island]

I'll try re reading the advanced rotation in here

[gaunt phoenix]

you need this weakaura https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz

to see how many buffs will not be rolled away even if you press rtb

[hot island]

I got that one, it is a lot better than the text I had on my naowh ui

[quaint mauve]

this writing is peak, almost dropped a tear

[gaunt phoenix]

if you KIR a 4 buff, then you roll again asap

if you KIR a natural 5 buff, then you dont roll immediately, you wait until they approach 39-40s remaining

and then you watch the weakaura, if you will lose 2 or fewer buffs from the next roll, then you can still roll again

if you will lose 3-4 buffs then you wait until they approach a low duration (~10s or so), and you can flex this roll for vanish

if you will lose 5 buffs then you dont roll until they expire

it sounds wacko but you kinda get it after seeing it

[gaunt phoenix]

gacha horsegirls are peak

[craggy barn]

lol we're still cancelling ks

huge

[prime furnace]

I'm currently in the process of learning outlaw. Why is this spec so complicated? lmao.

[covert heart]

I thought peeps were saying we aren't canceling now that it was buffed

[gaunt phoenix]

i was saying that

but i was wrong

i just assumed, since canceling it was 0.9% dps, that the massive buff would offset it

but nope

[covert heart]

I saw some others as well i believe

[gaunt phoenix]

but at least it is close enough now to not really matter

[covert heart]

But we still got a few weeks so maybe they can make it 15s long

[covert heart]

Just a crazy amount of apm

Atleast for me that was an issue for a while couldn't get the apm with the correct decisions

[gaunt phoenix]

there are lots of optimizations

But the core rules are fairly minimal i think

it's just fast

and 17 weakauras

[covert heart]

And if you mess up i feel like you can really get behind fast

[quaint mauve]

it honestly simplifies its self the more u play it

or atleast that’s the case in my experience

[gaunt phoenix]

think all specs could be like that

[quaint mauve]

things start making sense ( i asked a gajillion questions in this chat)

[quaint mauve]

i still can’t play brewmaster no matter how many times i try

[gaunt phoenix]

really

[covert heart]

Yea its a pretty hard tank, atleast at higher key levels

[gaunt phoenix]

tanking feels similar to outlaw i think

though i never did brew

[covert heart]

Hella unforgiving

[quaint mauve]

I can play tanks, my main this season is vdh and i’ve played other tanks just fine

brew i just can’t

[covert heart]

Its by far the hardest tank

[quaint mauve]

button bloat + it’s just difficult

[covert heart]

Plus no other tanks is really like it

[hot island]

So I think I got how the WA colours affect RTB and when to click what. BUT

[gaunt phoenix]

i loved bdk

[covert heart]

I got to about 3600 on it and after that I tapped out

[quaint mauve]

it is super fun though when i’m not dying

[hot island]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Th3uXiefCXI&si=9325GNHDR7Hyonk0

In here at 23:22 he rerolls a normal RTB 5 buff but a few of them just went blue (I thought they only did that if you used KIR)

[gaunt phoenix]

kir makes them go yellow

[quaint mauve]

i just can’t play classes with too many buttons

[gaunt phoenix]

yellow means the buffs are ahead of normal duration and they wont be rolled away

So pressing kir shoves them all to yellow

[hot island]

Ye ye, but in this case he had 5 red and 1 blue

[covert heart]

I think if it had a cheat death it help alot

But I think they are reworking it slightly to help

[hot island]

And he rolled and 3 went blue

[random stirrup]

its because they are about to go into the minecart section

you can prestack supercharger to have a bunch prepped for afterwards

[inland acorn]

he is asking why

they turned red to blue

[random stirrup]

oh

ya thats just the bug

xd

[inland acorn]

I'm pretty sure

Even Blizzard devs wouldn't be able to tell

[random stirrup]

[inland acorn]

Sometimes it just happens

[gaunt phoenix]

ah yeah

[hot island]

Oh so in theory the buffs should have been rolled away then

[inland acorn]

Yes

[hot island]

Gotcha,

[random stirrup]

sometimes they just decide to be nice and stay

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a mysterious bug most likely having to do with how count the odds is implemented internally

[left canyon]

so...are there incoming buffs? or nerfs via no changes compared to other classes?

[inland acorn]

Yes

[quaint mauve]

i love bdk too, the hardest part of playing it was always the first pull tho LOL. once you just take resources from pack to pack it feels so good

[left canyon]

(hi new here, just came from a reddit thread abot the upcoming changes in 11.2)

[inland acorn]

They're planning another KS buff, so we're forced to sit through channel

But at the end of the channel you die

[daring oxide]

wrong discord

[left canyon]

thats why i stopped playing my DK

literally

err

DH

[quaint mauve]

outlaw and horse girl racing is very interconnected dude get with the times

[left canyon]

one of those D's

[inland acorn]

Idk, and probably Blizzard themselves don't know if they're doing anything more

At this point I wouldn't expect anything more

Until release

[proven ocean]

Ye keep on waiting for buffs, once outlaw gaps everything by 40% we’ll get nerfed in one week and back all the way to square 1

[daring oxide]

umamusume deserves its own dedicated channel m8

[proven ocean]

Outlaw is already very powerful

[quaint mauve]

TRUEEE

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure of the question i think

[proven ocean]

Stronger than most classes in ptr

[inland acorn]

one week is generous

I think 3 days

[proven ocean]

Its literally stronger than most classes

Atm

[gaunt phoenix]

are you asking if outlaw is getting buffed again? who knows

[daring oxide]

it is, i have sources

[proven ocean]

I think it will and thats bad

[daring oxide]

shut it betrayer

[proven ocean]

?

[daring oxide]

outlaw needs buff

always

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[quaint mauve]

nerf of doom incoming to account for mystic touch

[proven ocean]

Do u even understand what im trying to say

[gaunt phoenix]

he does

[proven ocean]

If we get another buff it’ll be an over buff

We’ll get nerfed

[daring oxide]

my source is 50/50 theory

[left canyon]

kind of? im asking if its gonna be like what they did to fury warrior in S1

[random stirrup]

zeross saying "we" as if he isnt a sin otp

[keen belfry]

wow ks being cancelled still being better is not what i expected

[hot island]

Either happens or it won't

[daring oxide]

i do

[keen belfry]

really goes to show the channel is WAY too long

[daring oxide]

what am saying is that always buff us please 🙂

[inland acorn]

yeah, so watch them buff it again

[quaint mauve]

hi awang

[inland acorn]

Just to force you to sit through it

[proven ocean]

I probably played outlaw more than you on all classes you played combined, no offense

[keen belfry]

yo

[inland acorn]

pic or didnt happen

[daring oxide]

KS will only not be cancelled if it doesn't last so long so that i can get up go take a shit, grow a beard, and come back to watch the last hit go off

if they speed it up by 25-50% then it'll be fast enough 🙂

[keen belfry]

how many buffs has KS gotten over ptr

[inland acorn]

2 ?

[daring oxide]

one

it got one nerf then buff

[keen belfry]

or i guess dmg buff

bad wording

[proven ocean]

2

To dmg

1 realistic buff tho

[daring oxide]

am just teasing you 😦

[keen belfry]

its 43% and what was the other one

[daring oxide]

like

a secret buff

10%?

[proven ocean]

I didnt mean u cuh

[daring oxide]

ah ok sorry cuh

[proven ocean]

[daring oxide]

but yeah

solo mentioned it before

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[daring oxide]

was like a 10-15% buff after cd nerf

i cant remember exactly

[mighty pivot]

12.5%

[gaunt phoenix]

it was buffed to 157% / 78.5% ap ratio (mh / oh)

then buffed to 196% / 78.5%

and now mh/oh is the same, 196% / 196%

[daring oxide]

ye last buff was insane, but its not what we needed

[random stirrup]

i just think the ragebait should be left for zac and not new ppl asking how things are doing (even if its a bit early to say)

[daring oxide]

make KS complete its action over a single gcd

and we talking

[proven ocean]

2 gcd’s is good

[daring oxide]

BAMbamBAMbamBAMbamBAMbamBAM in 0.8s gcd

no channel

[proven ocean]

For a channel that is

[gaunt phoenix]

1 gcd ks in pvp

[daring oxide]

KS is gonna get kicked so much hehe

[mighty pivot]

he got blocked so now new victims are needed

[daring oxide]

in pvp

huh?

where is zac

[inland acorn]

Why would you even use new KS in pvp

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel hello?

[inland acorn]

Is trickster stronger than FB in PvP ?

[daring oxide]

probably not

in 11.2

[inland acorn]

Then no point running KS

[daring oxide]

probably not

well KS isn't defensive anymore

so yeah KS pvp dead

and you have to aim it..

imagine aiming it in pvp

[inland acorn]

If only it had headshot multiplier

[mighty pivot]

imagine aiming in pve with aoe all over the floor

[random stirrup]

aim ks in pvp for it to hit the 18 warlock imps

[daring oxide]

are they gonna add a cone visual for us?

or do i have to make one with WAs

[inland acorn]

Probably both

[mighty pivot]

it's just 180 degrees in front so I doubt they will add a visual

[inland acorn]

It's not 180 in front ❓

[daring oxide]

nah

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix how much does our apm lower from this new ks? assuming no cancelling of ks

[glass mortar]

how about we just make it a fucking 2 gcd lock spell u can spellqueue out of and the amount of attacks scales with haste (and add a partial)

[daring oxide]

about 6?

[glass mortar]

so its just a fancy fucking 2 gcd cast "dot" with outlaw animations

this stuff is so nonsense

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt because the cooldown is fuckin double

[daring oxide]

6-8 gcds

[inland acorn]

that sounds too nice and clever

Probably not gonna happen ever

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same apm 79

[daring oxide]

oh ok

[mighty pivot]

are we not talking about where KS can hit?

[daring oxide]

but

we just get less unseens compared to now 😦

which

is temporarily offset by the new tier

but when next expansion comes

[inland acorn]

I don't think new KS hits in 180 degree front

[daring oxide]

we are left with problem

[keen belfry]

i still cant tell how i feel about our 2pc

[gaunt phoenix]

new expansion trickster is deleted !

[keen belfry]

its SO much beter than what it was

but like,

i hate wasting ubs

and u kinda cant control that

[daring oxide]

@keen belfry time to make WA to closely track EB

incase you get double hits

time to watch yet another thing

[keen belfry]

what could be changed from the one that exists?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont like the delay when UB double procs

[keen belfry]

yeah

[daring oxide]

not meaning the Unseen blades WA

[daring oxide]

yes was gonna say this

[daring oxide]

do you plan to make a feedback post on NA forums?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[daring oxide]

cos i cba leveling NA character to 10

dam

[keen belfry]

cant all this be fixed by just like making you able to build to coup when you have a coup? or do they want that as a skill expression (but they introduce rng to UB generation/resets soooo)

i just love outlaw and trickster

[daring oxide]

KS will still hit, its just there is like an invisible cone which lets you be more precise with the target, otherwise it hits the 'closest' target sorta

dunno

[random stirrup]

both specs begging for this but hasn't happened yet

[inland acorn]

Solo

Can we get new KS icon finally ?

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure i want to be able to coup > ss ss > coup > coup > coup

like

[daring oxide]

lots of people shared good feeedback for this, let it go up to 8 stacks, and coup activates at 4 and can be consumed then

[glass mortar]

yes but then sub would be too strong so we arent allowed to have good design

or something idk

thats just about the only argument ive seen against this

[keen belfry]

yeah i understand this complaint too hmm, there has to be some middle ground

[proven ocean]

U mean it doesnt feel right or feels bad or shouldnt be our gameplay?

Or wdym

[keen belfry]

i think that would really mess with our prio list/cdr

[random stirrup]

can just nerf sub's interactions with trickster in the process

[daring oxide]

Coup > coup > KS (omega FF stacks)

[glass mortar]

i dont think it would, i dont think the power level outlaw could get by saving up to 4 coup would matter enough to not just coup whenever its available

but i could see that becoming the gameplay for sub

actually i dont think outlaw could even do that?

[daring oxide]

I had a moment where i did this Coup > build > coup > build > KS > pressed RTB at 7 cp > vanish > bam bam bam > coup > build > coup > build 7cp > vanish

[glass mortar]

it would take awhile to hit 8 stacks. far longer then u can go without dispatching

unless you are purposfully using vanishes to delay dispatching

in which case why are you even saving up 4 coups

[random stirrup]

ks coup coup coup coup vanish vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

if you could coup 4 times in a row, would maybe feel disruptive with the cdr

like trying to vanish but now ks is ready again

[daring oxide]

it felt like i couped 4 times in a row

[proven ocean]

I dont think cdr should be an issue if that happens

[daring oxide]

because of double hits

[proven ocean]

It gives big dps solo

[hybrid crown]

What if they make KS like convoke

[proven ocean]

Each coup buffs all ur finishers

[hybrid crown]

It just starts generating and spending CPS and if it spends dispatch with a coup proc it sends the coup

That would be kinda dope

[proven ocean]

Kinda satisfying to spam it then send a real crackshot

[daring oxide]

just make KS like reapers ult (use bladestorm but with pistols) and make it do its action over a single GCD

[random stirrup]

let KS consume coup so you can hit the 15cp killing spree and enjoy an 8s channel

[daring oxide]

thats all it needs to do

[gaunt phoenix]

Quad coup would obviously be good for dps but could feel weird/annoying

[proven ocean]

Sure

[daring oxide]

ya could like reset vanish back to 2 stacks

[proven ocean]

It already was happening once per key ish at 30%

Now with 35%

Its quite often

[daring oxide]

oh

i see

like

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye i guess it can already happen

[mighty pivot]

are you sure about that? No matter where I face shots will fire to the sides as long as the eligible targets are within the 180 degree cone

[daring oxide]

Coup > Coup > KS > unseen double hit x 2 > coup > coup?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[daring oxide]

ahhhhhh

yes i had this on dummies too

but i squeezed in a vanish after KS first

because i didnt want to vanish cap

[gaunt phoenix]

12.25% chance coup is ready again

[daring oxide]

i see

[daring oxide]

you mean animation wise?

[gaunt phoenix]

im pretty sure ks target selecton is 180

[daring oxide]

but the one closer to infront of you will be prioritised?

[mighty pivot]

the small blast cone faces the target of that KS tick

[daring oxide]

hmm

[mighty pivot]

so if you see the animation going to multiple targets, it is hitting multiple targets

[daring oxide]

i thought the animation was just nonsense

and was always just randomly appearing

didn't really pay attention

[mighty pivot]

the animation is only nonsense when there is nothing in front

in that case it fires at 360 degrees but does 0 damage

in essence you can only aim it by putting mobs behind you but that's easier said than done

[keen belfry]

just trying to get into the mind of blizzard, reducing the channel time of ks on ptr would lead to an increase of apm compared to live?

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

[keen belfry]

which is maybe something they dont want?

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

but ks is already 25% longer than live

[vivid vessel]

what

[gaunt phoenix]

he thought you got banned or smth

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't it be lower APM compared to live still even with faster KS due to CdG having a longer GCD and we use that more?

[keen belfry]

i still feel llike they want to address how approachable outlaw is, but i dont think apm alone is the limiting factor lol

[vivid vessel]

give back acro

[glass mortar]

coup doesnt actually have a longer gcd

[vivid vessel]

makes otualw 10 times easier

[keen belfry]

KdG

[vivid vessel]

it does

[gaunt phoenix]

coup is 1 second under ar

[prisma vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

it does? did they fix it when they fixed double coup?

[vivid vessel]

what

[glass mortar]

or u mean it goes from 1.2 to 1

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

ah ok, guy told me it doesnt have one months ago and that stuck with me

[proven ocean]

1 sec in AR noobie woonie

[gaunt phoenix]

noob

[proven ocean]

Idk what that means if u ask me

But ye

[gaunt phoenix]

even ludacris knows that

[vivid vessel]

ludacris knows everything

[glass mortar]

mb for listening to green names

[vivid vessel]

smort

[glass mortar]

wrong green name

[vivid vessel]

ok well

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

ye guy is sub

[vivid vessel]

not gonna say anything

[quaint mauve]

all this KS talk is scaring me guys

[random stirrup]

it has a longer gcd on sub too

[vivid vessel]

you dont notice it on sub

[late swallow]

Guy doesn’t play outlaw

[glass mortar]

ludacris almost crashed out in raid last night when i wiped us in p2 gally to a bad kspree

[proven ocean]

@glass mortar can u change ur stupid ass name

Oh

[gaunt phoenix]

lmfao

[vivid vessel]

noob

[proven ocean]

Ur name isn’t a stupid ass name nvm

[glass mortar]

pressed a kspree right before the first frontal soak

[gaunt phoenix]

@glass mortar can u change ur stupid ass name

[glass mortar]

didnt realize it was supercharged

[quaint mauve]

LOL

[glass mortar]

2 other people missed the soak so we were 1 short

and that was me

[vivid vessel]

ok well

[glass mortar]

on the bosses but

[vivid vessel]

dont ks dring soaks

tho

[glass mortar]

killing spreeing

[quaint mauve]

wasn’t ur fault , the 2 people shoulda been there

[glass mortar]

i mean i was off by like 0.2s zac

i just

need to add supercharge to my ui

[gaunt phoenix]

soon you can ks and cancel it instantly

[glass mortar]

many cases of this this expac for me

[gaunt phoenix]

wait dont do that

you dont teleport with new ks

[vivid vessel]

i send low cps

ks

a lot

on these

[glass mortar]

yeye i didnt build to this kspree but i know what went wrong it was a bad night for gally tho

[keen belfry]

how do you parse on gallywix

[glass mortar]

perfect storm we had 3 trials in, and me who has only pulled the boss 5 times

[quaint mauve]

wait

[glass mortar]

and 3 of our officers out

[keen belfry]

parsing on gallywix rn seems impossible

[quaint mauve]

u can cancel KS currently??

[glass mortar]

no

he meant on ptr

[quaint mauve]

oh ok

[glass mortar]

pressing kspree on this fight is so scary everytime cause i have seen p2 a total of 6 times now and i dont know the timings

or where i will end up during the beams

i hope im not in again on this nonsense

im over this ability

[proven ocean]

Outlaw op pistol go boom boom 🤯 infinite power great shame for family banned by fuckery decree would do it again

[glass mortar]

so i had a thing happen last night i didnt think was possible

i "died" to gallys frontal beam thingy during kspree

because the tank was standing behind him and he turned so fast as it ended i teleported into the animation as it was ending?

came out with like a 33% hp per tick dot

never seen that one before

[prisma vessel]

i died to flarendo's beam during KS, never playing old KS again (fatebound till S3 sadly)

[keen belfry]

ks on gallywix is so funny

[glass mortar]

i feel like ping must have been involved cause it doesnt seem like it should be possible

[keen belfry]

yeah my only cauldron kill on rogue this tier i died to flarendo beam too

[mighty pivot]

the last jump of KS is unpredictable sometimes

[prisma vessel]

it has scarred me

Dx

[vale warren]

Ks is goated for healing logs on cauldron tho

[prisma vessel]

not wrong

[quaint sable]

That shit happened to me 2 days ago was soo pissed

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[keen belfry]

its happened to me like 3 times

i think its stealth related

[quaint sable]

It only has happened to me on outlaw after I grapple up there

[keen belfry]

diff time

[gaunt phoenix]

it turned instantly when he grappled

love the pov

[keen belfry]

ive had so much bs happen to me this tier

so many clips

this is my fav clip of all time tho

[late swallow]

@vivid vessel bastille day next monday pog

you have the day off?

[gaunt phoenix]

who

[late swallow]

wasn't talking to you sorry

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

[late swallow]

french chads only

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

ye i do

[keen belfry]

is bastille day francesjuly 4th

[late swallow]

that's the first mountain stage of le tour

ciclismo doesn't celebrate bastille day I guess

[vivid vessel]

i dont watch bikes

its boring

its like motor bikes

but slow

and motor bike is boring aswell

[late swallow]

nah there's athleticism in it

[vivid vessel]

sport is boring as hell

in general

only esport is fun

league or cs go

[late swallow]

motor bikes and formula one is legit booger eating tier

[vivid vessel]

wow esport is also mega boring

race is ok

[late swallow]

how do people watch formula one honestly

[vivid vessel]

doesnt really count tho ui guess

i have a friend at work that watch formula one

she tells me its

its like bike

you have to follow the season

for strats and shit

[late swallow]

she eats her own boogers 100%

[vivid vessel]

and i tell here that bike is also mega boring

[fervent garden]

https://formulapedia.com/f1-statistics/

alot

[gaunt phoenix]

so i can ship the racers

[late swallow]

grim

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[vivid vessel]

[late swallow]

[covert heart]

I am in fantasy f1 haha

Real degenerate shit 🤣

[late swallow]

watching shit like that is one thing

but then sports betting?

legit caveman donkey booger eating degen behavior

[desert tendon]

I sport bet in m+

10:1 for zac

Vs zero

[late swallow]

crazy how normalized sports betting is becoming

[covert heart]

I am in a baseball league where you win money if your team scores 13 runs in a game haha

[desert tendon]

Thanks to ads

[covert heart]

Well exactly 13 runs

[late swallow]

i'm a gold platinum triple elite quantum subscriber to zac's patreon

[desert tendon]

I m Diamond sub to his mym

Sorry

[frail veldt]

the recap is better than the race itself

[frail veldt]

bro its rampant in the US

so fucking dumb

[late swallow]

glad you agree, it really is a shame so many people get roped into it

if I hear my friends talking about it, I immediately ridicule them

[dawn talon]

dude you don't wanna go to mcdonalds and get your DraftKings™ meal with a 1/100 chance of getting the SSR ULTRA-RARE double cheeseburger when you pull the burger gacha???

[late swallow]

incredible OC pasta

[dawn talon]

im... NOT... a gambling addict. i JUST put half of my paycheck every week into 16 leg parlays compulsively and skip meals to afford it

just to take the edge off

[coral onyx]

I'd like to take this moment to applaud the fine gentlemen who provide us with top of the line, best of the best, next-gen information so i don't have to think about the things that they work so dilligently on.

[frail veldt]

yeah esp since the types of bets that are legal are the ones with the WORST fuckign odds

ALSO

if you are any good at it

theyll ban you from the platform

so legit if youre on the platform its cuz you suck and youre going to lose money

I mean I understand the idea that watching a game is way more compelling when you have money on the line

but still

[late swallow]

i didn't even know that they do this

i guess it tracks with casinos kicking out hot streak winners

SCUM

[frail veldt]

yeah its insane

but $$$

[keen belfry]

i keep finding myself in situations with a coup ready to like 3 combo points on ptr

sending double coups at low combo poitns feels meh

[vivid vessel]

Ye I guess

Idk

I just send it

[keen belfry]

imagine if

ps proc'd

ub

[sharp hinge]

Zac whos the better rogue, you or Shindig

[vivid vessel]

why wiould i answer this question

[mighty pivot]

to create drama out of nothing

[sharp hinge]

personally i think you guys are very similar

no drama at all

[vivid vessel]

I'm an outlaw rogue

We aren't even playing the same class

Also he makes good videos

[sharp hinge]

oh i thought you played sin or sub as well

[keen belfry]

i vote awang

unbiased

[random stirrup]

tomelvis is my favourite sub rogue

[covert kestrel]

It's legit gonna be an epidemic and in like 30 years people are gonna look back and think "how tf did we normalize that so much"

But Europeans are going strong on the ciggies and now all the kids vape purple chemicals so who tf cares

[glass mortar]

its so fucking bad man

my good friends friend is super into it and has gotten into it, and its becoming so normalized in states that legalize these sports betting apps

he will legit be betting on the most random fucking shit on sports he doesnt even watch like 5-6 times a day

its like discord u can just pop it open on ur phone and place a dozen bets effortlessly in a few minutes

theres a reason these types of things have barriers to access

[mighty pivot]

so many sponsors are betting companies in both "real" sports and esports

[frail veldt]

sports betting itself is less of an issue than sports betting being ON YOUR PHONE

cuz sports betting has been around forever

but the accessibility enables the problem

or amplifies it at least

[glass mortar]

i try to give him shit for it whenever i can reasonably

[covert kestrel]

The amount of conflict of interest is wild these days

[frail veldt]

have you heard of sports betting farms though

thats a wild rabit hole

[glass mortar]

his friend came down to chill with us for a weekend and i swear they spent half their time betting on those apps while we watched shows

it drove me crazy

[frail veldt]

theres like these factories effectively that have people competing in weird random sports like 24/7

and its constantly live streamed

[glass mortar]

doesnt surprise me

[frail veldt]

all for the sake of betting on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4f52yoExJE

shit is WILD

[covert kestrel]

My friend bet on women's volleyball in Korea and was like checking his phone every 10s while we were out with friends, straight up degen

[lucid vale]

Hey guys, my guild is working on progging M Gally. Reviewing Lorrgs, noticed that a lot of top parses are sending KS early in the fight (about 7-10sec after pull). Is this to work around being stunned by the beams?

[glass mortar]

you send it before the beams

then once during beams with cloak

then the beams are over

[frail veldt]

well you also should send KS right after first subterfuge always

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah that sounds normal on any boss

[glass mortar]

^ which happens to line up with when beams are just spawning

[frail veldt]

KS is higher priority than using vanish even at max charges

[glass mortar]

just make sure ur in position for ur quadrent so u snap back there

[median lance]

Why tf can you report people for child abuse lmao

on WoW

[frail veldt]

lol yeah this is new

not sure what the reason for that is

tbh

[median lance]

like wtf XD

[covert kestrel]

No judgment do the guild that are late CE pushers just roll straight into next tier with no break? Sounds brutal

[glass mortar]

yea pretty much

get a kill on the boss, maybe have a week break, then new tier

[covert kestrel]

Woof

[gaunt phoenix]

Woof

[frail veldt]

foow

[glass mortar]

prog tends to be more chilled tho

when my guild was like that we wouldnt even enter mythic for 3-4 weeks usually

just get everyone full herioc good stuff then start killing

maybe just the first couple "easy" bosses

[frail veldt]

I mean tbf if it took you all season to get CE then theres no reason to rush into prog

[glass mortar]

mhm

[frail veldt]

youre prob gona need to gear up first

[glass mortar]

and let natural nerfs hit

[frail veldt]

ye

[glass mortar]

i got my first raid leading CE on jaina the week essences came out, 1 week before it went away

[keen belfry]

will the value of crit go back up again

or, just a little bit

with loss of tier

[frail veldt]

probably a lil

or

is RP crit damage too?

or just crit chance

I forget

[keen belfry]

uhhh

[glass mortar]

was rp ever crit damage

[frail veldt]

just chance

nvm

google

[glass mortar]

could u imagine

maybe crit wouldnt be mega giga devalued

if it did that also

[frail veldt]

or vice versa

[keen belfry]

i wonder how much overall buff time increased with this tier

[covert kestrel]

I'm just gonna be pugging the next raid cause my guild/friends do a fri/sun raid schedule and that's stupid

[frail veldt]

wouldnt it increase crit value

[glass mortar]

yes thats what im saying

[frail veldt]

ah yeah

[keen belfry]

someone find this #

[glass mortar]

with out current crit value, thats a devalued crit

[frail veldt]

so losing it would make crit worse

yeah

[glass mortar]

if we actually scaled like most crit classes with crit crit would dogstomp vers and agi

[frail veldt]

im sure solo could tell you

[frail veldt]

kinda sad we have an ability that does 400% crit damage

and its our highest damaging ability

and yet

AND YET

[random stirrup]

imagine if RP just didn't exist

[frail veldt]

vers is still better

[random stirrup]

and how good crit would be

[frail veldt]

lulululull

[glass mortar]

i mean

im gunna BLOW UR mind

with 1 tiny change they started doing in uhhhhhhhhhh

cataclysm

[keen belfry]

ive been pinging solo too much lately idont want to do it again

[glass mortar]

to fix this issue

"bte crit damage scales with any crit chance past 100%"

crazy or

[frail veldt]

thatd be almost too insane

lol

then RP would be our best buff by a huge margin

and youd just roll for RP

constantly

[glass mortar]

it already is tho

[keen belfry]

isnt it crazy that we lik eonly scale well off vers

[glass mortar]

[frail veldt]

barely

though

TB is close

[keen belfry]

how dumb is that

[frail veldt]

honestly I think outlaw plays the best when the buffs are all pretty good

[random stirrup]

if RP just said "bte damage increased by 100%" or something instead you could just stack crit

[frail veldt]

any 1 buff thats too strong kinda turns the rotationa lil degen

[glass mortar]

ye

u could also just like

buff BtE damage

and make it a normal spell

instead of this 400% crit thing

it doesnt even impact gameplay anymore

originally it was to make it so BtE was a "cast on cd if RP up, only for buff else" thing

now thats like

a very very minor optimization for fatebound

that nobody even really cares about

[vivid vessel]

Ye the Crit thing is weird

[glass mortar]

im over it

just make this a normal spell please

[keen belfry]

i just dont want to be so excited for a 8k vers necklace off 3rd boss, why am i excited for vers?

[glass mortar]

redo its damage

[vivid vessel]

Who cares tho

At least you are tanky

[random stirrup]

vers is goated though

[vivid vessel]

It's not like other stats did anything

[glass mortar]

its one of those things that doesnt matter until it does

and then u get a s4 df

where they dont tune because they dont care its a meme

[keen belfry]

idk i like getting more stats and feeling like im upgrading

[glass mortar]

and we just fall off

cause sometimes, scaling does matter

i think we fell off in raid this season too no

the supercharge ilvl thingy

[keen belfry]

i very much enjoyed ggaining haste on my fire mage

[glass mortar]

i was not getting gapped by evokers this hard before that

[grim spear]

vers should be removed.

[indigo token]

guys i have an idea

[keen belfry]

felt like i was gaining power

[glass mortar]

[indigo token]

bring back the critter bug from season 1

[quaint mauve]

personally my belief is mastery classes are perfect classes

[glass mortar]

our mastery should be better i wouldnt want it to be best tho

[random stirrup]

what if outlaw had something similar to just say "gain additional vers equal to 40% of your versatility" and insta scaling solved

[glass mortar]

if a stat was gunna be best other then vers id prefer crit or haste

seems more outlawy

u know whats funny, u see how they literally made it so unholy dks mastery scaled better and made crit scale better

kinda wild no? @vivid vessel

wish we could see something like that

make it so vers increases ur crit damage or something to increase crit scaling

idk

some dev is just like "oh you know this specs mastery scaling isnt so great let me just fix that easily" and has done it like 3 or 4 times this expac

someone show that guy outlaw

he might have an aneurysm tho

[grim spear]

crit = hit rng
haste = hit more
mastery = hit harder

vers is unnecessary and should be removed

[glass mortar]

vers = become more versatile/better at everything (healing, dealing, tanking)

[frail veldt]

well crit reduces rng

technically

[glass mortar]

i mean as a stat it makes sense but i get what u mean by it shouldnt exist

[frail veldt]

the higher your crit chance the less rng you have

[random stirrup]

i do think vers shouldn't exist outside pvp

[indigo token]

stam: survivability?

we barely take talents that increase that, delete stam

[glass mortar]

its a little odd in how theyve let it end up

[grim spear]

just flavor

[vivid vessel]

yeee

i dont really think

we have devs weran

i mean im becoming a third dh spec believer tbf

like

what else could they be doing

[glass mortar]

i swear i look across all the specs in the game now and even the vers ones have like 3 secondaries stronger then primary

then theres just us

[vivid vessel]

and we know our dev is dh dev aswell

[glass mortar]

theres no way the major class team knows outlaw just gets fuckall from secondaries right

surely someone would see that as a flaw

[grim spear]

If there really have to be 4 stats, they could consider splitting Haste into two: one for more resources, and one for higher frequency.

[latent oak]

no they shouldnt

[gaunt phoenix]

close enough welcome back multistrike

[glass mortar]

ok but how about this, if we are doing stat taxes lets remove outlaw haste tax and bring back hit

everyone can enjoy the tax we are paying

[grim spear]

haste = more res, cast faster
haste could be splited into 2

[latent oak]

the vast majority of solutions to making wow stats more interesting would lead to worse gameplay

[indigo token]

guys idea

we add back parry haste

[glass mortar]

is that gone?

[late swallow]

just bring back reforging

reforging was so based

[latent oak]

think its lowkey good that wow stats are meaningless

[indigo token]

bring back warfronts

[glass mortar]

ive said for years

[grim spear]

so just remove the most boring one

[glass mortar]

they should just make "reforging" in a way that drives professions

[grim spear]

it feels so

[late swallow]

we need warfronts immediately

[glass mortar]

like, reduce the global stat budget on all gear by 50%

add 3 sockets to gear again

basically just reforging but instead of dumping gold into npc its between players

[late swallow]

i love how we see eye to eye on so many things weran

[mighty pivot]

bring back poison charges and have mastery increase the charge count

[late swallow]

i think we'd be good friends irl

[glass mortar]

🥰

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/share-a-kiss-belly-conrad-the-summer-i-turned-pretty-kissing-gif-25987660

Somnius is the attractive woman

Mewo is sitting in the cuck throne in the corner

[late swallow]

[keen belfry]

who has most based takes in here

besides awang

[late swallow]

probably zeross

he should be a green or orange name imo

[glass mortar]

idk how u can even pretend it would be anyone but solo

all his takes r grounded and realistic

and usually following the sims he does for us

we r blessed

[late swallow]

yeah solo takes are pretty good

consistently good

Guy has deep cut good takes, but he's not as consistent

[keen belfry]

guess you hate me

[glass mortar]

ur in my top 20 dw awang

❤️

[keen belfry]

ty 🙂

❤️

[random stirrup]

solo loses points for being an HO sympathizer unfortunately

no quarter for those

[keen belfry]

vvery true

dude presses ambush in crackshot windows XD

[vivid vessel]

mines arent ?

gg

im very grounded

[glass mortar]

ur in my top 30 at least zac

dw

❤️

[covert kestrel]

R1 rogue, top 30 in rogue takes

[glass mortar]

i mean #2 is in the top 30

as is #30

but its ok

[vivid vessel]

wtfff

how are my takes bad

im r1 good taker

master taker

[covert kestrel]

I pretty much always take zacs side over ross but that's a low bar I suppose

[sharp hinge]

R1 my ass

[late swallow]

ross is like late stage wittgenstein

just misunderstood genius

in 20-30 years we'll look back on him with more mature eyes

[glass mortar]

ross yesterday when we got the tier buffs told me the buff to 2set was going to be INSANE

the buff of 2+4 set together summed to 4% dps

ross takes are 50% fried beyond saving and 50% goated

im taking the average

[covert kestrel]

Idk I'm convinced this recent "outlaw op" is a long form psyop he's conducting to mess with zac/outlaw players

This isn't your average cooked Ross take

[glass mortar]

he is in my top 50 tho

🥰

[sharp hinge]

thats what him and zac argue about 80% of the time

[glass mortar]

u cant seperate ross troll takes from the real ones tho which brings down to average

[proven ocean]

You have to be trolling to think 4% buff to a tier set is not substantial

[glass mortar]

he commits to the bit

it is substantial. it is not insane. and that was the ENTIRE set buff, not 2set

[proven ocean]

I don’t understand you weran

4% is insane

They never buff tier sets that high

[glass mortar]

there is no world u are selling me the energy u gave me about the 2set change yesterday was being excited over a ~2% buff

oh we are doing this

[proven ocean]

Whatever dude

You dont understand numbers

[sharp hinge]

isnt spiest like 40%?

[glass mortar]

just bringing the averaghe down

💅

[proven ocean]

And now ur pretending like 4% is nothing

When the buff doesnt only improve dos

[glass mortar]

definitly didnt say it was nothing

[proven ocean]

It improves rng too

[late swallow]

where am I king

[proven ocean]

Which is alot

[glass mortar]

top 6 babe

[late swallow]

top 6

[glass mortar]

but it helps that u give actual takes on changes like 2% of the time and 98% of the time are just stirring the pot

🥰

it keeps ur average very high

[proven ocean]

Where as zac he will always pretend outlaw is dogshit 24/7 when its literally doing more than most classes in the game arm

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

How come u didnt type 4%?

i wonder why

U wanted ur sentence stronger

[keen belfry]

zeross so fried rn i love it

[sharp hinge]

in Zacs eyes, Outlaw needs to be completely OP to even be competetive

[proven ocean]

Except you know your words dont make sense

[glass mortar]

well because my numbers had to add up to 100% but i dont expect any math from u when ur giving takes its ok ross

u give them from the heart and thats all that matters

[proven ocean]

Thats stupid af warlock has less utility why isn’t it super op?

Survival too

[random stirrup]

#outlaw message

[proven ocean]

Why not op

?

[glass mortar]

warlock has less utility then outlaw?

true and based tbh

[sharp hinge]

idk lock gets portal and cookies

[proven ocean]

U realize he crashed out and started crying like a child earlier when i told him outlaw is good

[cinder relic]

The trickster 2 set buff is a huge deal

[sharp hinge]

we get tricks and?

[proven ocean]

And blocked me too which was funny

[glass mortar]

ross and guy in agreement

[proven ocean]

Ye 4 set too in combination its rly big

[glass mortar]

the legendary alignment

[cinder relic]

Yeah its massive

I mean for sub for example coup went from top 4 damage to top 1 by a lot

5% more coup EB procs adds up

[proven ocean]

Guy outlaw is rly op in ptr but if it gets anymore buffs it’ll get nerfed to the ground

[cinder relic]

and coup being stronger

[proven ocean]

Because its rly rly strong

[random stirrup]

it was already top dmg in my tests

[keen belfry]

hes using sub as an example

gg

[glass mortar]

yea 2set buff is super massive for sub

[proven ocean]

I think outlaw is the strongest spec in ptr if they nerf frost dk

[cinder relic]

R u stupid or just pretending

Cmon

[glass mortar]

no?

solo already simmed the set changes?

2+4set buff was 4% increase

nice

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[proven ocean]

Weran

[glass mortar]

i wouldnt call an average 2% buff on each bonus as massive tho

[cinder relic]

In addition to the KS buff?

[glass mortar]

thats very odd

.... well i wasnt talking about sum total buffs to outlaw in the changes was i?

i mean u didnt read the convo ig

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix can u send sims of all the buffs last night

Because idk whats weran’s point here

[glass mortar]

the kspree buff was probably close to double the value of the set buff

and the tier + kspree buff put together is nice yea

i was just saying ross when the set change came out was saying it was omega huge for outlaw and 2set was gunna be giga

its 2% dps

giga

[proven ocean]

We were talking on how outlaw got insane buffs and i pointed out few things like 4 set increasing rng

[keen belfry]

im so confused man wtf foreverguy comes in here (outlaw chat) saying "2set buff is huge deal", uses sub as an example, then refutes weran saying 4% buff (talking about tier which is what foreverguy is talking about) by saying ks buff too (ks isnt tier)

[proven ocean]

Stop saying 2%

[random stirrup]

the trickster outlaw tier is still quite weak relatively

[proven ocean]

If ur clueless as fuck

[random stirrup]

even post buff

[keen belfry]

@glass mortar are we getting ragebaited by foreverguy rn

[proven ocean]

You keep saying 2% for no reason

[glass mortar]

yea no i have no idea what guys point was

i think he thought i was complaining about the buffs

buffs r nice dw

👍

[proven ocean]

Ur cooked thats why

[keen belfry]

he even brought up the tier being a huge buff man

TIER!

[proven ocean]

Try to not overcook

[keen belfry]

then says yeah its huge for sub

(we dont care this outlaw chat)

[proven ocean]

Awang u remind me of ryukage ngl

[random stirrup]

trickster tier still half as good for law as it is for sub btw

and there are better tier sets than sub trickster

[proven ocean]

Im starting to think if its you even

[glass mortar]

is it even half as good

but its probably at least as good as live tier set now so thats good

[keen belfry]

i burnt my bagel this morning and i called it zeross

[glass mortar]

shadows set is 45%

[proven ocean]

I stroked my hotdog and called it rotten awang

[glass mortar]

they are all afraid

[random stirrup]

napkin math the previous 10% +4% to 14%, sub is def around 30% now iirc (probably a little higher)

[vivid vessel]

?

[proven ocean]

How about that

[vivid vessel]

do you think this season outlaw is completly op

there is litteraly 1 outlaw player in the world

no one plays outlaw

and you want me to believe its completly op

is draco zeross alt

[proven ocean]

this guy’s ego is off the charts

Now ur pretending ur the only player that can play outlaw again

[keen belfry]

draco is zeross and awang is ryukage

[proven ocean]

Legit cringe simulator

[glass mortar]

zeross when zac says nobody plays outlaw: "i cant believe zac would say nobody CAN play outlaw"

its time for a nice crashout friday

[proven ocean]

Idk about that weran

[keen belfry]

i love this chat

and outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

why can't we talk about anything normally

it's always like