outlaw

[frail veldt]

Why?

[vivid vessel]

if you wanna add a lil note in your thing

i think its non neglieable now

its legit similar to how much fatebound loses

[proven ocean]

i told him wow has better players at minmaxing and improving things for combat at an extremely high level

[vivid vessel]

well fb seemed to lose almost 16% so we arent quite there yet

but ye

[proven ocean]

and he got mad at that opinion

because he thinks im wrong

but i genuinely think im right on that

the osrs calc is beyond bad

maybe he doesn't do TCs to understand that anyway

notrickz showed up

[gaunt phoenix]

well it flurries into the main target

[proven ocean]

hide ur kids

[vivid vessel]

im quite sad about this buff this week solo, cause canceling ks almost made ks feel good

[proven ocean]

[hollow temple]

he's being dumb and putting more words into my mouth, ignore him trying to ragebait me

[vivid vessel]

but sitting trough all of it is dreadfull

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

yee i guess

[proven ocean]

@frail veldt am i wrong tho

or

[gaunt phoenix]

I'll sim prio loss after update

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

I'm saying the tool as in like the design of it

Not as in the value of a sim in respect to wow

I mean the quality of the test infrastructure

[proven ocean]

not just that

our WA advancement

are far greater

[vivid vessel]

what is you guys opinion on ariana grande

[proven ocean]

than osrs

[vivid vessel]

im a big ariana grande fan

[proven ocean]

its mostly because osrs is limited

and wow is open

so

its just an obvious thing honestly

its not even a close competition

@tepid skiff thoughts??

[umbral pivot]

does outlaw have any downtime? im trying the st build on a dummy but im runningg out of energy unless im doing something wrong?

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt unless you get rng fucked

everything comes together to keep adrenaline rush active

if you cant maintain AR then you dont have energy

[umbral pivot]

how do you keep adrenaline rush active?

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt tick down during subterfuge

so you use vanish to enter subterfuge and keep it active

[frail veldt]

I mean the quality of the test infrastructure

[frail veldt]

Boils down to efficient combo point usage in generator/spender rules

[frank finch]

solo promised e a 10 % trickster buff but its only 4

[gaunt phoenix]

with proper rtb rules, finisher rules, builder rules, etc. the average cooldown on AR and Vanish is low enough to keep it active

[frail veldt]

It's a combination of all the little stuff tbh

[frank finch]

[gaunt phoenix]

the other half is killing spree

[frail veldt]

Every part of outlaw plays a significant role in adr uptime

[covert kestrel]

especially the size of your hog

[frail veldt]

Real and true

[wintry solar]

When does this stop btw?

It's starting to make me pass out

[gaunt phoenix]

never

[wintry solar]

3 five buff rolls and I'm OUT

[umbral pivot]

am i supossed to run killing spree?

[covert kestrel]

you need more cardio

[umbral pivot]

i dont think i ever used that

[covert kestrel]

in keys yeah pretty much have to with trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster uses killing spree

trickster is mostly used everywhere because it is so strong in aoe

on pure single target, which is just Sprocket, you can play fatebound (well you have to, because ks will wipe the raid)

[umbral pivot]

wait why will ks wipe the raid?

[frail veldt]

It's a mythic raid thing

The raid becomes polarized

[proven ocean]

once u fight sprocket on mythic

try pressing killingspree

see what happens

in my guild

we called it

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah in mythic

[frail veldt]

So if you touch someone of the other polarization it go boom

[proven ocean]

fireworks

[frail veldt]

And KS teleports you around uncontrollably

[umbral pivot]

oh i see,that seems funny KS is the one that they are changing the animation to shooting right?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, they are saving us from it finally

[umbral pivot]

I kinda liked it how it was before

I like movement abilities

[gaunt phoenix]

you only say that cause you haven't played outlaw in dangerous content yet

[bright crane]

sorry but thats a wrong opinion

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks is basically the only reason you will die

[gaunt phoenix]

and you have to cast it every 17 seconds

[craggy barn]

current ks in normal/trivial content is funny

current ks in hard content is death

[umbral pivot]

Anyways do y’all know any toys that make u a kul tiran for a big amount of time?

[umbral pivot]

That is probably true

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/meerlaughs-imunbotherd-funny-gif-10476253793517125475

this is what using KS is like

[craggy barn]

doesnt inscription or enchanters have a thing for that

[bright crane]

in hard content

[craggy barn]

KS during 3rd boss flood gate when u are tied to someone who doesnt know where to stand is hilarious

they get so flustered

[bright crane]

yeah rofl

bro i fuckin lost 25k in the market today rip cybersecurity stocks FUCKED me

[upbeat tundra]

this is the outlaw rogue discord

[gaunt phoenix]

where

[tepid skiff]

wait wym

i only see like the immediate messages above the ping bu tnot exactly sure if ur talking about plugins or an osrs ptr or what

[proven ocean]

well

we're basically comparing osrs and wow in terms of how the players are good at the game and how far advanced the tools u have in each game

for example

we have raid bots

osrs has a shitty calc

that barely functions

and has 1 iteration

and

[tepid skiff]

the players are extremely good mechanically individually, but very very very bad at any team coordination and/or preparation for pvm events

[proven ocean]

wow WAs are way more advanced because they're open to all possibilities meanwhile, osrs barely has any of these things

[tepid skiff]

like if u had a wow player that was 85% as good as a gnomonkey or molgoatkirby or whatever going for world first radiant oathplate, they would win every single time

just off of pure preparation and mental fortitude

[proven ocean]

lets say the same to prime mage tower when it was released in legion day 1

i think alot of people nuked it hard

[proven ocean]

o

so

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple thoughts?

but ye i think wow players are generally way better overall

[tepid skiff]

well

i think osrs has a much higher skill cap

[proven ocean]

i think wow has a big competition

[tepid skiff]

but

i think they are just god awful in terms of prep. its just not in their culture

[proven ocean]

that i agree on

[tepid skiff]

idk how to describe it

[hollow temple]

Stop pinging me for this

[tepid skiff]

in wow u judge how good someone is by how fast they learn

and how few attempts they take

in osrs, the best players sometimes dont even show up or participate in their "races"

because theyre going for some idiot speedrun time

insstead of trying to be the first to do cool new shit

[proven ocean]

i see

fk

i forgot about osrs again i died

[hollow temple]

Good

[proven ocean]

but yo im almost 98

[hollow temple]

[proven ocean]

99

[covert kestrel]

pixel smoothing

gross

[red zinc]

Why is wowhead writing multi page articles about the proc of a seasonal cloak for a specific role

[wintry solar]

Ain't nothing else going on

[proven ocean]

its a 2% dps only proc too

xdd

[tepid skiff]

bro

let me give u 1 tip

[red zinc]

like dawg its a higher ilvl cloak with selectable stats of course itll be better than whatever else

[tepid skiff]

u will neverr be good if u play on hd

enjoy

[proven ocean]

why's that

do some mechanics get fked by it?

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[hollow temple]

We already tried to tell him these things

[proven ocean]

?

no u didnt

what

[hollow temple]

He doesn’t wanna listen

[proven ocean]

u only talked about big screen

which i understand

but why would i want to make my screen smaller when im spamming cure me

@tepid skiff do you use gpu btw

or just raw

[tepid skiff]

yeah gotta use gpu plugin

[hollow temple]

GPU+Low Detail is what most ppl use I think

[proven ocean]

this or what

[tepid skiff]

yeah u have to do gpu + low detail

i play w this but id say most good ppl play more like 900 x something

but that was too small for me

[proven ocean]

i see

[hollow temple]

Ye I’m usually around 900/650 iirc

[proven ocean]

ok ok

[tepid skiff]

u have to use this btw

[proven ocean]

ye but this is so pixelated or?

[tepid skiff]

mandatory

also stop tying in here ur ruining the channel

this is for outlaw conversations ONLY

[proven ocean]

its like wearing no glasses

gotta say that when solo is typign i see i see

dont worry he's not on topicing us too much nowadays

[red zinc]

Wrong but thanks for trying to get zeross to shut up

[proven ocean]

[gaunt phoenix]

dw i was accidentally inputting

[hollow temple]

Solo will smite us like a true tyrant

[lime lake]

wac

[wintry solar]

Osrs makes me sleepy

[proven ocean]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaac

[hollow temple]

Meanwhile assa channel is discussing feet pix

[wintry solar]

Sooo boring

[opaque flume]

brb

[red zinc]

aaaoouuuu eeeuuu aaęoœ

[proven ocean]

[errant arrow]

hype

[next wedge]

tuning pending how does OL seem in the raid?

[lime lake]

outlaw has discussed feet today more than assa

sad times

[red zinc]

or something idk

[wintry solar]

Why dk dead?

I think we won

[red zinc]

he died and still did more dps than zac

[wintry solar]

That's not a high bar tbf

[next wedge]

lmao that pic is so good

[wintry solar]

Do the fdk changes impact gameplay?

[red zinc]

With the amount of patch notes id imagine so

[wintry solar]

Idk why I'm asking yall

[red zinc]

mfs got a shakespearean play in updates id hope they would play differently

[lime lake]

lmao

[wintry solar]

This means the animation is fixed yeah?

[opaque flume]

still a channel if thats what youre asking

[frail veldt]

Probably yeah

So it won't pause for mg animation

[wintry solar]

Good good

Well

KS is all set for me

Idk about yall but I'm happy

[errant arrow]

im pleased with it since the animation changed

though im sad i can no longer call it killing myself spree

[glass mortar]

nah the animation still gets broken by mg procs

u cancel shots to swing ur melee weapon

[wintry solar]

What da hale

[glass mortar]

why would that fix it its proccing mg even more often then before now

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah I'm dumb sorry

I had that backwards

I mixed up ff procs with mg

They might have fixed the animation issue though, got a just log in and check

[glass mortar]

this ability gunna be half baked until 12.0 isnt it

i just checked

if anything its worse

[wintry solar]

How is it

[frail veldt]

I'm at the gym brother

You do it lol

[wintry solar]

:[

I'm at work

Some of us have a W-2

[frail veldt]

Guess we will never know

[wintry solar]

I like mystery

[south glen]

guys is wrist pain a added debuff of the spec?

my hand hurts so bad and ive only done 5 keys today

also is the UwU pi weakaura that people were talking about yesterday public? i want pi in keys

[haughty wigeon]

I don’t think it’s worse but it’s w/e

[glass mortar]

i mean u proc MG more often

so it will interupt more of the shots

its rng either way

[craggy barn]

skill issue

[gilded tinsel]

get a wrist rest, it helps if you dont have one

[latent oak]

also reasses ur keybinds

[craggy barn]

wrist rest, good hand posture and keybindings, stretching every so often

i honestly have less trouble playing outlaw than other classes that spam the same button

like udk in keys when ur just spamming 1 or 2 buttons over and over again

hurts my hand more

than outlaw ever will

[latent oak]

in s3/4 sl

the destro locks in mdi

would bind rain of fire to like 10 buttons

so they didnt spam the same key over and over

[craggy barn]

having a good spread is good

for the hand

[latent oak]

ya

[craggy barn]

piano keying is s tier

[south glen]

the furthest keybind i have is 5/shift-5

[craggy barn]

i dont necessarily mean far spread out

like this setup works for me and no hand issues

[south glen]

im just not used to the apm coming from assass

[craggy barn]

yea the reaction speed u need overal is much higher

[south glen]

what do you even use to move?

[craggy barn]

wasd or mouse buttons

like LR button hold for forward movement at times

always holding down RMB bc melee

[south glen]

the spec gets more fun after my hand is numb anyway bc thats how i know im blasting

[craggy barn]

lol

[haughty wigeon]

Oh I ment in general

Not like this hotfix

Haven’t even touched it this hotfix

[glass mortar]

im talking about compared to pre hotfix

animation still jank

even worse a little cause u proc mg even more often now

🤷

[hybrid crown]

I feel like this spec is better for your hands than like mop combat

[glass mortar]

this ability will be dogshit till 12.0 probably tho

[hybrid crown]

that shit was so spammy

[glass mortar]

still better then live 🥹

cop combat was like 20 apm lower tho

[hybrid crown]

all the spamming was on like 2 buttons though lol

[haughty wigeon]

Ya cause they changed offhand stuff right

[glass mortar]

ye

[wintry solar]

So

Now the animation is a slideshow?

I'd rather not have MG proc during it

And have a good animation

[dawn talon]

take better care of your hands

[wintry solar]

The dmg loss of MG not proccing would be so negligible

[frank finch]

mg does 10 % more dmg now

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think the "offhand" hits proc main gauche actually

scrolling through zac key i dont see it once

rip!

[frank finch]

r they supposed to?

[gaunt phoenix]

it was just unknown if they were going to now

i assumed yes

[glass mortar]

r they at least proccing ff

[gaunt phoenix]

killing spree never proc'd ff

[wintry solar]

10% of 0 is 0

[pliant wave]

Outlaw would probably feel a lot better to play and even perform better if they just let UB stacks go above 4. Why don’t they just do that

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps because it would be really strong on sub

The tier set is already lightyears better on sub than outlaw

if they bump EB stacks they would have to nerf flawless form for sub i think

[pliant wave]

Then at least let us track the auto attack cooldown resets.

[torpid fiber]

they really hate our mastery LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

meh they never did anyway

[lime lake]

i mean they demonstrated literally this hotfix that they're willing to balance the tier sets differently for each spec

so balance shouldnt be an issue for the stacks

[south glen]

what is even worth buying on hero track with dinars? i have capos but idk what else to buy for M+ purposes

[sharp hinge]

Who tf is shindigw

[sudden fulcrum]

pretty good rogue

he has nice videos too

[sharp hinge]

Bros like 14

[lime lake]

just some dude

[gaunt phoenix]

nothing else, do +12 keys for mythic trinkets

[sharp hinge]

Rank 2 in the world

[south glen]

i think hes almost 30

[sharp hinge]

And he plays sub

[south glen]

he plays all 3

[sharp hinge]

Yeah I wouldn’t doubt

Looks like he’s only played sub and outlaw this season

And I thought Zac and zeross were good

[south glen]

on warcraft logs his parses are all assass ;-;

[strong halo]

whats the verdic ont ptr update

[sudden fulcrum]

it's over we're all shadow priests now

[strong halo]

i go aug

i have no hands

[south glen]

do i ever actually kidney shot in pve? it seems lowkey useless since stops dont count as interrupts

and i dont feel like binding it

[sharp hinge]

Ahh maybe he raids as sin?

But no keys idk

[south glen]

ive also never hit cheapshot in pve, its also not bound

am i throwing

[sudden fulcrum]

no i don't think those are particularly useful in PvE

[daring yoke]

Yo guys. Atm in ptr KIR is still better for all content and specs?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeh

[grim spear]

this tier's set gave HO a boost

if there aren’t any mechanic changes, next tier will definitely favor KIR.

[frank finch]

i need a solo sim for that or fake news

[chilly karma]

for mythic gally when using killing spree on p2, is it just based on what quadrant ur staying in?

for where it puts you

was doing it rn but wasnt sure how it decides where ks tps you

if i use ks in the respective red arrows

does it put me in that area

or is it instant death

[frail veldt]

It always puts you in the same spot so you can kinda plan around it

[chilly karma]

ok

[fallow hinge]

pretty sure ks on gally is like hella risky

[frail veldt]

Nah

It's safe

You get two chances anyway to fuck it up

So you can just learn it

[fallow hinge]

the shock lines hurt like hell

[frail veldt]

Yeah ofc

[fallow hinge]

did you see, Mewo?

I got CE today :3

[chilly karma]

i was trying to figure it out but i think it might be too hard for me to learn atp

ill just stick to keep it rolling we already got it to 7%

[fallow hinge]

it's basically dead already

[chilly karma]

just wanted to see if i could get my dmg up with the ks aoe on the ads lol

[fallow hinge]

kinda depressing how much easier the fight gets after p1

[frail veldt]

Yuuuuuuge

Do you feel your ego growing

Are you ready to talk down to the plebs like me

[fallow hinge]

no, I had really shitty rng on pull

[grim spear]

you probably wont be lacking AOE

This boss doesn’t have many total pull attempts anyway

[fallow hinge]

also look at this shit. We finished yesterday on a 12.3% wipe, and the only pull tonight that was lower was like 12 minutes before the end of the raid and it was also the kill

[grim spear]

if ks keeps killing you

[random stirrup]

hes a sin main

[grim spear]

just play fb

not a big deal

[frail veldt]

I haaaaaate that

[fallow hinge]

I hit an 11mil peak burst on one of our good pulls

[frail veldt]

What are you playing

[fallow hinge]

then our mage forgot to slowfall with the bomb

mm

[frail veldt]

Lolol

[fallow hinge]

was funny though

we got through the final intermission

then raid leader was like "okay, what's the next mechanic"

and our other raid leader was like "... there aren't any?"

[wintry solar]

Just like me fr

[fallow hinge]

"like, there's bombs in 5s but other than that there's nothing"

[south glen]

i have 9% haste am i sad

[fallow hinge]

look in a mirror

is your mouth doing this )

or this (

that's a good way to tell if you're sad

[south glen]

wrist pain make it go ( but doing more dps than a sub rogue with 15 more ilvls than me while my stats are currently buns make it go )

[random stirrup]

play HO and untalent gs and you're fine

[wintry solar]

If you playing dungeons rn that's the strat anyway

[light dune]

gamers which dungeons do you send eye on or maybe more so which ones do you not send eye

[keen belfry]

i got to pad on stix tn

first stix kill giga pad

[covert kestrel]

Reject eye, ascend to grim codex

[late swallow]

Grim codex is secretly bis

Solo just doesn’t want to drop the real sims

[weary fog]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[autumn stirrup]

hey guys, quick question, im new to outlaw and was wondering, how much better is the trickster keep it rolling build than the hidden opp build?

[glass mortar]

barely better

its most noticable at target cap and even there its only a few %. HO is better at low target counts but u can play whichever u want

they r very close

[autumn stirrup]

i feel like hidden opp is easier, especially for pugs so i was leaning towards that since im fairly new

[glass mortar]

it is

good for learning for sure

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[prisma heron]

I’m only pleb at 660 but droptimizer wants me to get house of cards with cartel chips?

Over pace?

That mastery does something for me?

[glass mortar]

do u not have access to magnet/vexie?

both of those should really outsim HoC

but depending on ur crit level pace wont sim that high, especially if ur playing kir

[prisma heron]

I don’t raid no and not doing 12s yet

Just getting started snd trying to get to 3k mainly

[glass mortar]

but how do you have access to HoC then

🤔

[prisma heron]

Ohhh I can’t buy even the hero one if I’ve never done it?

[glass mortar]

gotta kill the boss

[prisma heron]

Ohhh damn ok

Thought that was only for mythic

[glass mortar]

hmm maybe its different for herioc trinkets? but if you have access to herioc HoC u would also have access to HC vexie and magnet

u can check

but u should sim vs those as well, and generally u wont be comparing HoC to pacemaker because you will want to end up with 1 active 1 passive

[prisma heron]

Seems like it will let me for heroic

[glass mortar]

theres some double active setups that sim ok but... who wants to deal with that when they are barely margins of error ahead of passive + active

[prisma heron]

Ahh ok that makes sense. My other right now is a signet

[glass mortar]

yea HoC would replace signet if anything possibly but id recommend going vexie/magnet for active (signet is also fine, better in aoe but worse in st) and a passive like pacemaker or whistle

[prisma heron]

I don’t see anything named vexie lol

[glass mortar]

er its spare keys or something

the boss is called vexie

idk i dont use it so i cant remember

[prisma heron]

Ohhh lol

Oh the geargrinder thing

I have a hero one of those. My current setup is lvl 4 hero signet and vexie thing

[glass mortar]

oof yea maybe take a look at pacemaker/whistle (the dfc trinket that spawns minecarts)

[prisma heron]

ok I see what you mean about passive snd active

[glass mortar]

whistle is a very strong passive, its what i use in dungeons

[prisma heron]

What on use do you use with that for dgs?

[dim parrot]

I believe heroic cartel gear is accessible to everyone

[prisma heron]

Yeah looks like I’m good

Is “vexie” the lit whistle goblin looking thing or the geargrinder that launches the bike ?

Ok nm I see he said spare keys

[fossil lintel]

Any mods around to ban this guy?

[wintry solar]

@gloomy coral

Obliterate this man from orbit

[upbeat tundra]

mods, crush his balls

[wintry solar]

Wack his pp

[tender wedge]

Keys and whistle are the goat combo, gotta maximise enemies getting hit by vehicles imo

[fathom whale]

Oi we got buffed on ptr, high five

[lone spear]

helll yea

from my preliminary target dummying it also looks like KS is good as fatebound

[finite arch]

Been trying to find some guides on how to run KIR outlaw but how does it work? do i just simply keep rolling till i get 4-5 buffs then use KIR?

Does the rotation change at all?

[lone spear]

in the outlaw faq thread theres a rotation guide there for KiR

[finite arch]

ok ty

[lone spear]

generally you have the right idea, you want at least 4 buffs before using KiR

[torpid fiber]

The big thing is you literally never press ambush as KIR
Not even in stealth

There's some other changes but that one is one ppl miss sometimes

[finite arch]

How do you utilise crackshot then?

[torpid fiber]

you generate combo points the normal way

[finite arch]

May seem like a dumb question but I am super new to outlaw picked it up like 3 days ago XD

[wintry solar]

Ace Up Your Sleeve

[torpid fiber]

The Hidden Opportunity builds take a bunch of talents that all buff Ambush, and without those talents it isn't worth using

[wintry solar]

Or you just sinister strike a lot

Whichever happens first

[lone spear]

you will have to keybind sinister strike on your stealth bar

[quaint mauve]

i’m almost 3k on rogue guys

the hml stocks

r rising

[lone spear]

noooice

[south glen]

is there a way to sim a crafted item without having the item? like simming if its better to make a neck or a ring? bc im 660, and im gonnna craft either a ring or a neck so i can get more haste but i have a 658 champ crit/vers neck and i have a 658 hero track crit/mastery ring, but idk what to craft and i was wondering if i could sim it or if someone could just tell me what to make ive got 8.6% haste so am in desperate need

[lone spear]

yea

[fathom whale]

Yeah you can add items

[lone spear]

i find it quickest to do crafted item comparisons in gear compare

but you can do it in top gear too

[finite arch]

its always bound XD

[finite arch]

So i should just be spamming the bte with 1 cp during subterfuge?

[lone spear]

no, always send at 5+

[finite arch]

i see ok i get it

So just no more ambush got it got it

[lone spear]

ye

[finite arch]

essentially its still the same

[lone spear]

basically

theres more min-max to be done with how you use pistol shot

but thats where the difficulty comes in

[finite arch]

Should i ever wait for good rolls before sending my cds?

[lone spear]

baseline its not much harder (if at all) than HO

[finite arch]

Thank you wink you have been great help

[lone spear]

as KiR you can hold vanish until you have ruthless predator (the shark fin buff that buffs BtE)

unless AR is about to fall off or you will overcap vanish charges

and if you are about to roll soon you can hold vanish until after you roll

for the supercharger buff

[finite arch]

wowhead or somevideo i watch cant rmb where said that KIR and HO has very low dmg diff

but everywhere says something else

[lone spear]

its pretty small difference

the main factor is your gear

if you have the haste for KiR itll be just as good/a bit better than HO

but if you look at top logs people still play both and do well

can see couple KiR in top 10 of mythic gallywix for example

play whatever build you enjoy and you will do well 👍

[finite arch]

do people still run nightfall cudgel?

for m+

[lone spear]

yea

but like itll only be good for few more weeks so

its like 1.5% overall or sumtin

nuthin insane

[finite arch]

gotcha gotcha

[next wedge]

my heroic parses looking good

nobody do better than me for a sec so they can lock in

[lone spear]

huuuuge

[grim spear]

rank 1 is fb? how?

[lone spear]

theres variables

i could look into it

but my guess is its because they got to the last add set in p3

whereas my guilds kill was like a min faster

so we didnt, saj

[mossy herald]

[south glen]

is the wowhead trickster build the best m+ build?

[balmy topaz]

Is it KIR trickster?

[south glen]

no

am i supposed to play kir in keys?

[balmy topaz]

You can do better with KIR however it’s harder to play

[stiff hawk]

HO is easier

especially if you are not used to outlaw

[balmy topaz]

The guy who does the guides on wowhead isn’t a fan of KIR

So he just never makes guides for it

[stiff hawk]

[cinder relic]

It should be KiR trickster?

[south glen]

i just started the spec like a couple days ago, i’m only 660 and pulling 3.5mil overall in 10s but i only have 8% haste and doesn’t kir take 20%?

[cinder relic]

Just beacuse I dislike KiR doesn't mean I make the guides shit on purpose

I even say it right here lol

[stiff hawk]

Ruby take the L + Ratio + Noob + get corrected

[flat needle]

Still waiting for my first tendonitis
Thats the amount of casts from my last raid night

[stiff hawk]

thats not entirely correct

Combo points are in there

and Pistol shot is tripled

because of FTH

[cinder relic]

anyways

Anybody do testing on law?

[stiff hawk]

No

[balmy topaz]

Bro I never check wowhead and last time I looked you didn’t put a kit build on there

[stiff hawk]

Now

Apologize

[balmy topaz]

I’m sorry Guy

[cinder relic]

In DF when I thought I was gonna quit the game I was pretty bad about keeping the guides up to date

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-gif-1353073961338598642

[cinder relic]

But this expac is cool so I'm back

[balmy topaz]

KS random target hitting is a bit meh

[stiff hawk]

Tindral broke Guy

frfr

[cinder relic]

Nah I liked tindral and fyrak as progression encounters

I think being forced to play sub all tier and on farm broke my brain

and then depression got bad

But I'm over that now 💯

[stiff hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/6an3o7.gif

[cinder relic]

Literally

[balmy topaz]

Good to have guy back

[cinder relic]

I play it for fun now

Holy fuck dust was so bad

[balmy topaz]

Dust was awful

Smoulderon was just pain

For people who got forced to play sub

[stiff hawk]

Dust for outlaw on the other hand

[balmy topaz]

I was a outlaw boy myself

[fluid iron]

skill issue

[lucid vale]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[stiff hawk]

Rare stealthi appearance. Are you still playing btw?

[balmy topaz]

Hey Stealthi

[fluid iron]

i do yeah

[stiff hawk]

Are you happy with the New guild?

[fluid iron]

yeh its chill

very banter heavy guild

[balmy topaz]

Ohh who you with now stealthi

[fluid iron]

its a vibe

Myst-Tarren mil

[balmy topaz]

What happened to the other guild

cus you were with them a long while right

[stiff hawk]

Gonezo

[fluid iron]

disbanded after the tier was over

[balmy topaz]

Ahh that is a RIP

Do you still speak to Cxnt

[idle remnant]

Lol MW is pretty ass in S3

Brew also looking a bit sus

[fluid iron]

not really

i see he plays a fck load of PoE tho

[balmy topaz]

Ye he's always been into that

[obtuse zinc]

What's the matter with KS channel being long ?

[cinder relic]

Breaks the flow of the spec a bit too much

[obtuse zinc]

I think it feels nice, my old fingers can rest a few seconds from time to time

[stiff hawk]

If you are old, outlaw isnt for you

[obtuse zinc]

yeah maybe

[stiff hawk]

(for legal reason i have to make sure, this is a joke)

[obsidian walrus]

As it stands with the current tuning of the specs what do we play in prog ?

[obtuse zinc]

not totaly wrong though, i sometime fear having injuries when i chain m+

so it's just a style/flow/feel issue ?

[cinder relic]

Sub seems good as per usual for prog

Damage ampts seem relevant this tier so subs absurd burst CDs have a lot of value

[obtuse zinc]

I think you go for trick when the fight allows it and FB otherwise. I gave up trick on M Mugzee and Gally

[cinder relic]

But theres a lot of tuning to do still so

[obtuse zinc]

oh spec, mb

[cinder relic]

Best to just know how to play any spec

[obsidian walrus]

Yea still need practice on sub

Have not played it a lot

Have to farm daggers

F

[cinder relic]

well I mean

[stiff hawk]

Wait for Sin 90 Sec burst

[cinder relic]

UR gear would be worthless next tier

[stiff hawk]

[cinder relic]

Blades is just a better CD

Unless these burst phases are in execute sub just does so much more

[stiff hawk]

Yeah outside of execute

sin is mediocre

true

[cinder relic]

For some reason ppl in the sub channel are convinved the spec sucks in raid every tier and sin always is OP but

Sub always manages to be OP for early prog

[jagged ivy]

tier starts->sub is stomping prog for the first 1 1/2 month while assa is somewhat undertuned->sub gets adjusted a bit down while assa gets a aura buff to make it not suck balls->more people play assa again cus they dont feel forced to play sub->sub channel complains about sub never being good

repeat every tier

Outlaw exists somewhere on the side and gets ignored by blizz

[cinder relic]

This is true especially when you ignore tiers like abberus where sub was just better the entire time!@!

[jagged ivy]

is there another class where a single spec was so dominant in raiding compared to its other specs then sub is, serious question

like, its the same deal since SL, its insane

[fluid iron]

mage is close to the same streak atm

[lone spear]

has it been 1 particular spec tho?

feels like theyve rotated between fire and arcane

[fluid iron]

havent seen fire on prog in the guild ive played in outside of Mug'zee

since SL

[idle remnant]

There's no singular spec, but as always, Mages are favored in M+ and Mythic

Honestly it's really goofy

[lone spear]

ye but think they were talkin bout spec

[idle remnant]

Probably Aug, as long as it lived

[lone spear]

for sure fire has been played on prog this tier at list

dev was the go this tier

for sure moreso after buff tho

[idle remnant]

Always prio in dungeons and raids since it got released until now

I think even last season it was 2, even with Pres

Nvm it was 2 Dev last season

DF was 2 dev 2 aug

Just browsing past 2 expansions WF kills it looks pretty balanced in representation

Warr stacking WOAW

[surreal walrus]

how often do we use the junkmaestro trinket?

[idle remnant]

Rogue stacking as well

[queen forge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fluid iron]

all of DF (just using liquids povs) 3 bosses where played as fire, rest was arcane
SL was alot more balanced out
TWW its been 50/50 between arcane and Fire

[cinder relic]

Which spec

[leaden folio]

Still have my favorite pic

[cinder relic]

I feel like fire arcane as flipped a lot

[leaden folio]

tank drood played at queen ansurek

[fluid iron]

undermine ruined the arcane streak

just going from wf pov's that is

[inland acorn]

Whenever you want as long as you dont overcap stacks. It's scaling linearly

[tidal sequoia]

check mugzee, the bonus loot piniata after does not count

[fluid iron]

-.-

[digital rock]

so i use it before 30 stacks aswell? i thought only 30 stacks then use

[torn dew]

So is fatebound outlaw viable for next tier and is it gonna take KS after the damage buff it received?

[civic void]

No point in holding for 30 except if there are adds/dmg amp phase/something you wanna burst

[inland acorn]

What Kobalt said above. There is no difference if you use it twice on 5 stacks, or once on 10 stacks. Damage will be the same

[surreal walrus]

@inland acorn so macro it to the same thing i macro ghost stab with got it

[inland acorn]

If you don't have 2nd on-use trinket I guess

Though you might send it on some dying mob

[surreal walrus]

what would the best thing to macro ghost stab with

[civic void]

I don't really see the point in macroing something that you need to press like once in a 1min/1min30 window tbh

[inland acorn]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[surreal walrus]

right now i have it on dispatch

[wintry solar]

I was reading the message that was pinned and as I was scrolling, I forgot I wasn't in the pins but the actual message in the chat and I see this

Fuckin Zac peeking at me

Zac jumpscare

[stiff hawk]

Fun Fact

Zac was a green

at some point

[inland acorn]

[wintry solar]

The loss of acro effected some more than others

[stiff hawk]

Until the great Mental Meltdown Incident of 2024

FUCKING POPO

[wintry solar]

Wild

[stiff hawk]

RENAMING INTO MOST RANDOM SHIT

[wintry solar]

What I do?

Wdym?

[stiff hawk]

AND NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS

[wintry solar]

I don't even hide it

[surreal walrus]

what setting to change to make roll the bones week aura into skwares insteadt or rektangels?

[stiff hawk]

Ye you just randomly change name and Pfp

and everyone thinks

WHO IS THIS NEW GUY

while its Popo again

[wintry solar]

Who is this new guy?

He's so cool

[surreal walrus]

me?

[mighty pivot]

if he types stuff -> it's popo

[stiff hawk]

real

[wintry solar]

First off rude

[stiff hawk]

nah

[wintry solar]

Secondly, don't be mean

[mighty pivot]

isn't that the first point?

[wintry solar]

Its important

[stiff hawk]

@torpid fiber You are probably a Person that can answer that

[wintry solar]

These seas are big enough for all of us

[civic void]

In display you should be able to set the size of the icons, idk the exact names or the exact weakauras but it should be straighforward

[mighty pivot]

they are definitely bug enough since they introduce new bugs every ptr patch

[wintry solar]

Okay but still

Mean

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shishiro-botan-headpat-head-pat-pov-there-there-gif-5832600285222990866

here have some headpats

[torpid fiber]

Yeah this should be it, they'll probably have to do it individually for each one but this is a pretty simple thing to do

[mighty pivot]

is that about zac's rtb WA?

[torpid fiber]

I assumr

if I had a sub rn I'd go check lmao

[stiff hawk]

Thanks

[torpid fiber]

Worst case it's a variable in the code but hopefully not

[mighty pivot]

you don't need to do it individually

[torpid fiber]

I'm not particularly excited for having to update my WA when I come back next season but I think I'm going to just manually add in functionality to the 11.0 version instead of re-adding it to the new luxthos version

[mighty pivot]

you can shift click top and bottom to select all 6 and then change their size

[torpid fiber]

oh that's hype what the hell

I'm not actually well studied in weakauras, just I have enough programming knowledge to waste hours trying to make tiny changes

[stiff hawk]

and thats why you are the goat

[torpid fiber]

Imo everyone should learn basic weakauras, even if it's just using a template

I obviously don't expect people to learn enough coding to be able to use lua (and I don't think it's moral to encourage people to learn Lua), but just knowing basics like what you can easily change makes life so much easier

I've been playing ff14 recently and some of the ui customisation limitations in that game piss me off

why can't I move the boss speech bubble???? Why can't I change my hp/mp bars to be a two line thing instead of one long line? Why do ff14 macros suck ass?

[mighty pivot]

lua is quite user friendly. WoW's API isn't particularly

[torpid fiber]

ff14 macros are so funny

You can't spellqueue them so the correct thing to do is just put the cast line 12 times in a row so you have a 12 frame window to get the cast

I dislike Lua but yes the APIs don't help

[mighty pivot]

but being able to make simple WAs is a very useful skill that most people can do - I agree

even if it's simple aura tracking

[torpid fiber]

For me it's not even about making their own WAs, I think what's more useful for most people is that doing that will give them the tools to personalise WAs they import

[mighty pivot]

that too yes. For me it's mostly that I see people often requesting help with just a simple "show me this aura" WAs, which is normally a few seconds effort to have it running and maybe a minute to change how it looks and position. I get that it's overwhelming to familiarise with how WAs work initially, but it should be a net positive if you don't want to wait for others to help you with the simplest WAs

[torpid fiber]

I don't usually see ppl asking for specific new auras bc I mostly only exist here for wow communities, but if that's a real thing then yeah it's also worth learning

[torpid pasture]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[left canyon]

Hey all brand new here, so apologies in advance if i ask any questions that annoyingly obvious answers, im still trying to find teh bathroom so to speak.. The thing that actual led me here is the hidden artifact appearance for outlaw, Ive got the mats but I can seem to find the quest, wowhead comments were nebulous, teh most solid answer i could find was "complete some stormherim quests and then teh dragon mother will have a quest for you" Well ive done some quests and nothing yet, I hate wasting time so I thought id just ask. Is teh quest bugged? Am I doin it wrong? How do i get teh quest for the hidden artifact appearance for outlaw?

[torpid pasture]

just do the main quest line until you meat the npc

[mighty pivot]

meat the npc

[left canyon]

ok, and the normal happy path of stormheim will lead me there?

[mighty pivot]

I remember having to dig through wowhead comments to find which quests you have to finish to open it up. It's a bit annoying

[left canyon]

trying to do anyting linear that far back in wow is super annoying, just figuring out how to start stormheim the right way is gonna take me a minute

[mighty pivot]

I assume you already have both bindings?

[left canyon]

well Ty both! appreciate the answers, esp at 3am hehe thx

[mighty pivot]

it's noon here

[left canyon]

yeah got teh bindings

and the 10 whatevers fropm the ah

[solemn drift]

You have to do some level of stormhiem quests to get the right phase I think

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/nquo5i/thunderfury_outlaw_rogue_artifact_appearance_help/ Try this

[left canyon]

wild! wheres here?

[left canyon]

ahh ty!

[mighty pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=43558/bindings-of-the-windlord#comments:id=3169024 if you haven't checked this yet

[left canyon]

Is the rogue disc the only class disc that has helpful and kind people in it? wow

[torpid fiber]

how kind people are here varies a bit 😛

[left canyon]

cause im in just about every other one and so far this appears to be #1 hehe

[mighty pivot]

most of europe really, plus or minus 1 hour for the extremities of it

[left canyon]

it always feels a little like time travel when someone says "its xoclock here"

[mighty pivot]

it's ok we also have daily fights in here

[torpid fiber]

tbf i feel like at least this channel doesn't flame new players that much it just argues about coffee

[mighty pivot]

that's true it's not new players being targeted

and usually it's two very specific people fighting

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/thunderfury-wow-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-blessed-blade-gif-27449993

[torpid fiber]

i always hear people online constantly making fun of class discords but bc i only play rogue i've never actually experienced the other ones myself

[left canyon]

heheh i know right ^ im actually wearing the originals now but its the remastered look im after, those jagged triangle bones get hard not to notice after a while

[mighty pivot]

yup old models are painful to look at

[left canyon]

they are pretty nightmarish for new people normally, hence my opening please dont flame me too hard statement

[mighty pivot]

not that legion models aren't old by now

but not THAT old at least

[torpid fiber]

i think outlaw players at least are just glad more people are trying the spec

[left canyon]

I keep calling it combat

[mighty pivot]

outlaw population increased by 5%

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[left canyon]

cause thats the last time i played rogue lol

lol!

oh god i did it

honeymoons over

[stiff hawk]

There is a reason everyone says Ravenholdt is one of the best

[mighty pivot]

people do say that?

[torpid fiber]

i always assumed that was bc of good TCers and stuff tbh

[mighty pivot]

you mean the TCs who don't update their pins/posts for over a month?

[torpid fiber]

hey tbf afaik nothing has actually changed on live

i respect outlaw TCers because they bring us random dps gains constantly 🫡

[mighty pivot]

it was a wowhead comment

[torpid fiber]

ah

lmfao

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

[left canyon]

well tysm for the info everyone and the unexpected but warm welcome! 🙂 im off to go try and start whatever rube goldberg machine is requrired to get stormheim quests rollin'

[mighty pivot]

godspeed

[left canyon]

🖖

[proven ocean]

@daring oxide

[proven ocean]

Np, sin rogue still sucks tho and outlaw op

[vivid vessel]

in st nothing changed since we play fatebound anywya, first boss quad grapple is supper cool otherwise you would get mega fucked, ks still too long, ks buff honestly might feel worse just cause you lose so much prio damage with the rng targetting, like in pure st ks will be doing 15% of my st, then i go into a pack and target the main guy and it does 4%
2nd boss outlaw kinda shit, but thats a caster boss i guess, barely can hit the adds
outlaw trickster is bonkers on the boss with adds that takes 200% increased damage (for add damage, dead last on boss damage)

[tropic zephyr]

[proven ocean]

Sorry to spoil it to you zac but

Overall numbers is what matters

Blizzard doesn’t buff/nerf based on prio dmg loss or gains

[vivid vessel]

no but they can change the behavior of ks

which they wont do

im just saying

[mighty pivot]

dw I made another post about the latest changes for them to read and completely disregard

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

i should do one but

its depressing

they just ignored all the feedback we gave

what can i even say

"yo guys, here is what i said last time, since you ignored all of it, its still valid, please fix ty"

[mighty pivot]

it's like they read the thread and find the only change which doesn't include anything being discussed

[proven ocean]

I feel like they dont ignore “all” the feedback

[digital rock]

they just dont care

[vivid vessel]

bro

even guy said it was too long

ks

its r1 feedback from litteraly everyone

you ask a random guy on the street

he will say its too long

[proven ocean]

The change is 1 week old why are u crashing out about it

Its still ptr

[vivid vessel]

ok

you are just here to make me mad again

go away

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

its been 4 weeks of pter

btw

[proven ocean]

So ur saying it was 1 month ago

Since KS change

Where are u living? In a blackhole where time passes 10x faster

Or what

[vivid vessel]

we are week 4 of ptr rn

yes

ks was changed day 1 of ptr

[proven ocean]

It wasnt even the change week 1

No it wasnt

[vivid vessel]

I mean whatever idk what you are trying to argue lol

how long does it take to reduce the channel

[proven ocean]

Day 1 ptr there were almost no changes

To any class

Until after 1 or was it 2 weeks

Then we got m+ and KS change

[vivid vessel]

idc

idk

what

you are trying

[fluid iron]

19th of june

[vivid vessel]

to argue

brotherman

it doesnt matter

[fluid iron]

KS was changed

atleast

[vivid vessel]

how long it has been exactly

like

wtf are ytou trying to say

[proven ocean]

2 weeks te

Ye

[fluid iron]

thats when i was tagged in a clip of KS being guns

[proven ocean]

Idk why zac rounded it to 4 weeks and hes still mad

[fluid iron]

its 3 weeks ago

[proven ocean]

But np

Im used to zac being mad

Nothing new

[daring oxide]

Guys please

[vivid vessel]

thats 3 weeks +

you dumb motherfucker

just stop

rage baiting me

[proven ocean]

It wasnt 4 tho

[vivid vessel]

everyday

[gloomy coral]

[vivid vessel]

IDC

[proven ocean]

Relax

[vivid vessel]

HOW LONG EXACTLY IT WAS

[proven ocean]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM

WITH ME

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

like

[proven ocean]

I think u need to chill out

[vivid vessel]

why do you come here everyday just to tag me and rage bait me

every single time

[proven ocean]

You’re losing ur temper alot lately

[mighty pivot]

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[vivid vessel]

ye cause you are doing that shit everyday

[proven ocean]

You need to meditate

[vivid vessel]

wtf is wrong with you

bro

[proven ocean]

Like ryukage

No cap

[proven ocean]

What did i do now

[gloomy coral]

If I didnt have the power to nuke zeross from orbit, I would have blocked him long time ago. AHEM COUGH NUDGE NUDGE.

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-spounge-bob-spoungebob-zero-days-without-nonsense-gif-16139550121359005297

[fluid iron]

think you two need to take a break from each other

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[proven ocean]

If I didnt have the power to nuke zeross from orbit, I would have blocked him long time ago. AHEM COUGH NUDGE NUDGE.

[proven ocean]

Nah zac is lowkey enjoying this

I know him

[vivid vessel]

i really am not

i told you numerous time

[fluid iron]

i dont think he is

[vivid vessel]

to stop

[proven ocean]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

I am not

[proven ocean]

I think ur mad on nothing

Ngl

[vivid vessel]

idk how much clearer i can say it

I am not enjoying

[gloomy coral]

Then, perhaps its time to do something about it instead of getting your mald quota in every day

[vivid vessel]

you doing that

[proven ocean]

You crash out based on me saying it wasn’t 4 weeks change

[vivid vessel]

ok you are blocked you can dm me bnet when you realize you have been a dumbfuck for like 5 weeks

[proven ocean]

Which it really wasnt as stealthi said

[gloomy coral]

There we go, everything is peaceful in the world again

[mighty pivot]

[hasty warren]

kek

[proven ocean]

Dont care zac you’ll eventually realize ur losing ur mind again over little things

[hasty warren]

what is going on

[stiff hawk]

Classic Zeross Zac Interaction

[proven ocean]

Hes being a child again

[stiff hawk]

[proven ocean]

Nothing new

[gloomy coral]

To be fair

4 is closer to 3 than 1 is

[proven ocean]

I mean sure

[stiff hawk]

Koffing Math professor agian

[fluid iron]

you couldnt help yourself shiennar could u

[mighty pivot]

is 4 really closer to 3 than 1 is?

[stiff hawk]

Like in this 2 years im active in this discord

its like that everytime

Zac and Zeross hating each other

and loving each other wehn they play again

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk we have a history of "it's ptr" and then nothing happens

[mighty pivot]

it's exhausting to just witness how do they not get tired doing it every day?

[stiff hawk]

true

[vivid vessel]

no im sorery but lately he went over the line too much

also i cant install better discord

idk how it works

[stiff hawk]

At some point you just get used to it

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt detect my discord

[proven ocean]

I agree but we got a full rogue change today which is already a good sign

[gloomy coral]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[proven ocean]

Hopefully more changes tho

[stiff hawk]

If you excpect nothing, you can only be positively surprised

[proven ocean]

Ye i went over the line because i said KS change was 1 week ago omg

What do i do

Wtf happened

Is the world gonna end

Holy cow

Holy shmoly

[gaunt phoenix]

Well now that KS does 43% more damage I don't think they will also cut the duration

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[mighty pivot]

they only have 3 more weeks to make changes and they have been making baby steps every week so far. It's normal for people to start worrying now

[haughty wigeon]

i think the goal

is to make us stack haste

to shorten it

whic granted is kinda dumb

[vivid vessel]

haste is still useless

[gloomy coral]

Im pretty sure, if we remove all zeross post from outlaw, we reduce outlaw total post amount by 60%

[vivid vessel]

and they know that

[haughty wigeon]

[vivid vessel]

also the haste scaling is ridiculously low ?

we have 20% haste

[stiff hawk]

Could be true

[vivid vessel]

and it barely changes anything

[haughty wigeon]

one step into the right direction to make haste useful

probs all woirk going into the 3rd dh spec

obvi

shirly

shorely

[vivid vessel]

ok but if haste isnt good

that doesnt change anything

[gaunt phoenix]

They know that haste falls to zero after KIR hits 25%