#outlaw

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vivid vessel
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not for outlaw tho

proven summit
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@proven ocean OUTLAW SUCKS AGREE OR NO AGREE

strong halo
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any specific reasons?

proven ocean
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agree

vivid vessel
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okok

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we getting there

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kush is spoiling it

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considering all of this data, the delta between outlaw and other specs increase, agree or not agree

proven summit
vivid vessel
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you agreed to all of it

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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so you cant disagree to that one

mighty pivot
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does that include DH specs? Asking for no particular reason Susge

vivid vessel
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stfu im talking with zeross rn

proven ocean
sharp hinge
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have you guys been in the priest discord?

vivid vessel
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ok so

mighty pivot
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then get a room Shrugeg

strong halo
vivid vessel
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you agreeed to all my points

proven ocean
vivid vessel
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ok

leaden folio
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3% hidden buff from monk

vivid vessel
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but that doesnt work

sharp hinge
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zeross and zac agreeing?

vivid vessel
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you cant disagree to this point

sharp hinge
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never thought id see the day

frail veldt
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hahahaha

vivid vessel
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after agreeing to all the others

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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i got you anyway

proven ocean
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im not allowed to ask why

vivid vessel
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i knew you were shit posting

proven ocean
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zac

vivid vessel
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all this time

frail veldt
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I mean arent there like other factors? tier and KS nerf cant be the only things

proven ocean
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ur not

strong halo
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its not but it basically tells u when to reroll and extend

proven ocean
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allowing

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me

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to explain

vivid vessel
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ok explain

strong halo
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so i assume it follows rules, even if u dont see colors

proven ocean
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ok

vivid vessel
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but you agreed to every point

proven ocean
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so

vivid vessel
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i win

covert kestrel
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i think this a long form psyop by ross

glass mortar
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well ross why do i think the other specs arent gaining more then outlaw if u agreed they r getting more from tier and outlaw got net nerfs

proven ocean
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i think outlaw is on par on many classes now

glass mortar
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im interested

proven ocean
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so saying it is marginally behind is wrongh

vivid vessel
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so outlaw is ahead of every specs on live ?

proven ocean
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besides, it is doing 10-20% more dps than most specs in live right now

proven ocean
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?

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answer

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now

vivid vessel
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ok so why am i the only outlaw player in the world

proven ocean
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because no one plays rogue

proven ocean
vivid vessel
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if it was good

proven ocean
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OR DISAGREE

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zac

vivid vessel
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people would play rogue

proven ocean
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dont say if it was good

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stfu

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zac

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dont speak

vivid vessel
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i mean i disagree haha

proven ocean
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fuck ur making me teleport out of my training zone in osrs

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brb

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no

gilded sinew
proven ocean
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zac

vivid vessel
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its only ahead if you play full troll comp buffing outlaw

proven ocean
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u had ur questions

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let me askk mine

vivid vessel
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and you only do damage pulling small which is slower

proven ocean
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stop explaining

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cuz

vivid vessel
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nop nop

proven ocean
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i gave u what u wanted

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now givem e what i want

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questions

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yes or no

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nothing else

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same way i asnwered

vivid vessel
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no cause you are trying to gaslight me into saying outlaw is op on live

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which no one will agree with

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cause thats just false

glass mortar
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thats not rlly fair ross bit ur bullets

proven ocean
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thats not fair at all

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weran is the judge here

vivid vessel
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yep

glass mortar
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u can agree outlaw is 20% ahead on live and then qualify why u still dont think its op

vivid vessel
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nothing is fair

gilded sinew
glass mortar
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@vivid vessel

proven ocean
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zac

glass mortar
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do u feel like ur doing more dps then most specs in the game? when u have full phys comp

vivid vessel
proven ocean
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im done having conversations with you, your not complying to allow me to ask my questions i'll continue to gaslight everyone on outlaw being op on PTR

sharp hinge
proven ocean
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for not being cooperative

vivid vessel
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the only key im ahead of dks is cidner and thats only because the chinese and r1 dks dont log

frail veldt
covert kestrel
frail veldt
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compared to live

vivid vessel
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no but i disagreed tho ross

proven ocean
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no

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zac

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wait

frail veldt
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I would agree outlaw is very well tuned on live

proven ocean
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let me ask you 1 thing zac

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STFU CHAT

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ALL OF U

frail veldt
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its objectively worse compared to the rest of the specs on ptr

proven ocean
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MEWO

vivid vessel
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okok

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mb

frail veldt
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sorry

vivid vessel
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listening

proven ocean
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zac

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agree or disagree, outlaw can do more dps than unholy dk on live

sharp hinge
proven ocean
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yes or no

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?

vivid vessel
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uh

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i dont even know

proven ocean
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dont uh

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dont explain

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say yes or no

frail veldt
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AGREE OR DISAGREE

agile cobalt
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xD

proven ocean
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?

vivid vessel
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ok but its an open question tho

frail veldt
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ZAC MAY I REMIND YOU THAT YOU ARE UNDER OATH

vivid vessel
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you said can

glass mortar
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well if he actually doesnt know thats fair, u answered that to one question

proven ocean
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ZAC

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DONT QUESTION THE QUESTION

vivid vessel
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bro you said can

glass mortar
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can you give him data to show hes beating them

proven ocean
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ANSWER YES OR NO

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OR ELSE

glass mortar
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its not like he plays with unholy dk

proven ocean
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UR BANNED FROM TALKING TO ME

vivid vessel
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i can out dps a dk yes

frail veldt
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its zeross' turn zac

vivid vessel
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can i out dps all dks ?

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no

proven ocean
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dont say

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zac

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can u

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stfu

vivid vessel
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whats the actual question

proven ocean
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for a minute

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like

frail veldt
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damn zac should be a politician

proven ocean
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ur actually being annoying

fluid vortex
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zac and zero

20250707_192009.jpg
proven ocean
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look

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i asked a yes or no question zac

glass mortar
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the question is outlaw on live stronger then unholy dk overall in keys

vivid vessel
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no you have to clarify your point

proven ocean
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fuck i died in osrs

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brb

glass mortar
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is that right @proven ocean

proven ocean
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wait

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i lost 200k

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brb

covert kestrel
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rekt

proven ocean
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forgot to cleanse poison

vivid vessel
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@proven ocean is your question that i can outdps every dk in every dungeon ?

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then no

frail veldt
vivid vessel
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is the question that i can outdps every dk in some dungeons ? then the answer is no

frail veldt
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I mean this is an objectively true statement

glass mortar
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do you think outlaw in ur comp is stronger then unholy dk in its best comp overall

frail veldt
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cuz ofc it can

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if the dk goes afk

vivid vessel
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is the question that i can outdps some of the best dks, in some dungeons ? then the answer is yes

strong halo
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weird question imo because technically most classes in the right situation "can" out dps dk

proven ocean
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ok i made it bk

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zac

proven ocean
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did i?

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yes or no

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?

vivid vessel
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no

proven ocean
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then dont ask

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about what i asked

vivid vessel
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but im asking for a clarification

proven ocean
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if that wasnt my question

vivid vessel
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its not clear enough

proven ocean
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then dont ask

vivid vessel
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to be answered

proven ocean
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and dont interfere

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zac

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same as ur questions

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i didnt interfere

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at all

indigo token
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this is worse than the biden trump debate

late swallow
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shit sounding like the diddy trial

proven ocean
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and ur interfering with my questions rn

sharp hinge
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you shouldve said "does" rather than "can"

glass mortar
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u did when u didnt know an answer

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and we clarified

vivid vessel
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well my questions were beautifully crafted to not need clarifications

glass mortar
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(the kspree nerf)

proven ocean
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i asked you a clear yes or no question and your not being cooperative

glass mortar
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i think zac can ask for clarification

proven ocean
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@glass mortar objection alert

vivid vessel
proven ocean
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i demand questions with no interference @glass mortar

glass mortar
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i dont think its very clear

proven ocean
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your honor

sharp hinge
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does outlaw beat dk on dps in current live

proven ocean
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its a question

glass mortar
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i mean zac the spirit of his question is obvious no

strong halo
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"can" is doing a lot of lifting imo

glass mortar
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but maybe u actually dont know the answer

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u dont run with unholy dk

vivid vessel
proven ocean
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zac's questions were not the questions i wanted to answer and now your saying i can't even ask my own questions

indigo token
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zac stfu

gaunt phoenix
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?

proven ocean
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he chose his structures and i didnt even question it

late swallow
vivid vessel
proven ocean
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??????????????????????

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OUTLAW BROKEN NOW

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WTF

vivid vessel
covert kestrel
proven ocean
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OUTLAW TURBO OP

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WTF

sudden fulcrum
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Net result of these changes is a Killing Spree damage increase of 43%.

glass mortar
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i mean ross ur question could be asking if he can beat any dk, can he beat random dks, can he beat a specific dk, its pretty generic WOT

proven ocean
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assa8

vivid vessel
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ok but

proven ocean
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ASSA8

vivid vessel
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THEY DIDNT

proven ocean
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8%

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DPS

vivid vessel
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DECREASE

glass mortar
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WOWHEADPOST

proven ocean
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OMGP0OGMOPGOMGOGMOGM

vivid vessel
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THE CHANNEL

proven ocean
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ASSA 8%

vivid vessel
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ALO

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ALO

proven ocean
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OGLFOGSDLGFODGFD,KGDOFGK,FD'

vivid vessel
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ALO

proven ocean
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GFADEK,W

vivid vessel
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ALO

proven ocean
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GREAKPOMGRAEO;LGKM,AERF;

vivid vessel
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ALO

proven ocean
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G'LKV,AERSDFLGAVE,KR;

vivid vessel
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ONE DEV

proven ocean
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GL

gaunt phoenix
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fuck man

proven ocean
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;.'ERFDAG,L

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@dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge

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@dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge

glass mortar
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oh no

agile cobalt
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buff?

proven ocean
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ASSA 8%

glass mortar
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did they just

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do the ufcking damage

strong halo
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this is top tier memes

proven ocean
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@lone crow @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge @dense forge

frail veldt
glass mortar
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goddamnit

late swallow
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haha damn what the fuck

proven ocean
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@lone crow @lone crow @lone crow @lone crow @lone crow

glass mortar
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why are they like this

proven ocean
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ASSA 8%

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OMGOGMOGMGOMGO

frail veldt
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zeross

proven ocean
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OMGOGMOGMGOM

frail veldt
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daddy

proven ocean
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ASSA META

vale warren
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Jesus Christ lmfao

frail veldt
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chill

proven ocean
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LOLOLOLOLOLLOL

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LETS FUCKING OGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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AHAHAHAHHA

vivid vessel
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bro i demand one dev

opaque flume
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🍿🍿🍿

mighty pivot
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43% is pretty yuge for KS

vivid vessel
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in the building

proven ocean
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AINTNOWAY ASSAA IS GONNA DOMINATE SEASON 3

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AHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

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LOOOOOOOOOOOL

mighty pivot
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too bad you have to channel for 2 days

proven ocean
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SANDBAGGING SUCCEEEDED alert alert alert

gaunt phoenix
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zero cool it a bit Surebud

proven ocean
glass mortar
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wait

sharp hinge
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whos got the link?

glass mortar
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ok we need to test this

proven ocean
sudden fulcrum
proven ocean
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ogmgomgomgo 8% tho LOOOOOOOOOL

glass mortar
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did they just fuck killing sprees ability to proc MG/FF?

gaunt phoenix
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i cant let you spam chat

mighty pivot
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was assa horrible on PTR and it got 8%?

strong halo
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What does assas channel even talk about spec is ez as cake

balmy topaz
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wtf did I just come back to

glass mortar
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actually MG is mh attacks thats fine

normal forge
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im good waiting for KS now, that 43% is buff is good to me, lol

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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but if it has no "offhand attacks" it cant natty proc FF anymore right

frail veldt
vivid vessel
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uh

proven ocean
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asssa is so fucking weak tho

strong halo
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@vivid vessel y u mad at changes? big buff no?

proven ocean
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8% not enough

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buff more

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plz

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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because fuck the cast time of this killing spree

frail veldt
vivid vessel
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i care about how the spec plays

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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raw buffing its damage is the absolute worst way to fix its problems

proven ocean
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btw

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ngl

glass mortar
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like literally the bottom of the barrel

strong halo
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Oh they didnt reduce cast time?!

mighty pivot
glass mortar
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lowest effort way to do it

frail veldt
proven ocean
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u know whats so crazy about those outlaw tier set buffs

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the 35%

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its way crazier than 4 set

hybrid crown
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If you channel KS for 10 seconds you are gonna cap on energy anyways

proven ocean
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ur gonna see alot of back to back 4 coups

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thats so fucking insane

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@vivid vessel memes aside i think outlaw is gonna have insane flow now

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with that tier set

strong halo
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Guys why is Zeross chearing OUtlaw downfall

frail veldt
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the 2nd coup

proven ocean
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no joke

frail veldt
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being 150%

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is so weird lol

glass mortar
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that tier set buff to 2set is probably 2% dps at most and id be surrpised if its more then that

proven ocean
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?

glass mortar
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but heres to hoping

proven ocean
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dude

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u realize outlaw needs flow

glass mortar
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done dude me

proven ocean
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and thats what its offering

vivid vessel
proven ocean
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dont dont dude me dude

frail veldt
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dude

gaunt phoenix
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KS is gonna do 16% of your dmg

glass mortar
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if ur gunna cuh at me at least cuh me

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😠

late swallow
copper radish
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16% lol

glossy pewter
late swallow
sharp hinge
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so are we back?

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consensus?

vivid vessel
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wish we had a dev

strong halo
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well well well if it isnt back to the ez spec anyways

frail veldt
glass mortar
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oh my fucking god is kspree gunna be taken by fatebound too

chilly atlas
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i donno channeling on outlaw seems like it doesnt mesh with how it plays fr

indigo token
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new buh ffs

opaque flume
glass mortar
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they arent gunna fix anything are they

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every reality we've imagined is gunna be true

sharp hinge
glass mortar
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trickster zero st

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fatebound zero aoe

frail veldt
glass mortar
late swallow
sharp hinge
proven ocean
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alert PISTOL GOES BOOM BOOM alert OUTLAW OP alert INFININTE POWER alert BANNED BY HEAVENLY DECREE alert BANGING ENTIRE FAMILIES alert WILL DO IT AGAIN alert

tepid skiff
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ARE WE BIG OR SMALL

glass mortar
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literally the lowest effort "fixes" imaginable to the problems

proven ocean
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BIGBIGBGIGBIGBGBIG

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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w/e

proven ocean
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BIGBIGBIGIGBIGBIGB

glass mortar
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back to work

strong halo
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I THINK new KS is goated because me and zac dps gap will close because we basically will both be channelling 20 minutes at same time

gaunt phoenix
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We wanted reduced ks duration and didnt get it

late swallow
frail veldt
tepid skiff
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ok i mean

frail veldt
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we got a potential damage buff

tepid skiff
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i know it sucks to play and not good gameplay changes

vivid vessel
frail veldt
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but they still havent done aura passes

vivid vessel
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idk

copper radish
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but now KS does 43% more dmg big ups KS

frail veldt
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so its irrelevant

vivid vessel
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you can take this as a win if you want

frail veldt
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how much "damage" we do right now

normal forge
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i belive i will stick to trickester+ks build next season, for this season i did pretty ok with current ho trickets ks build, felt good.

glass mortar
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is 43% kspree buff even enough to make up for the raw dps nerf we ate having its cd doubled

strong halo
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Less keys pressed = me and zac same dps

glass mortar
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wouldnt surprise me if no

proven ocean
tepid skiff
glass mortar
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8% is alot

covert kestrel
frail veldt
strong halo
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I didnt know Zeross was an assas supremacist.

tepid skiff
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yes thiings can always flipflop, but i think theres an above 50% probabability that if u are doing solid damage between 2-4 weeks out from a patch, ur class will perform better in the subsequent raid and m+ season than classes that arent so hot 2-4 weeks out

normal forge
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im used to kir, can play kir too, no problem, but trickester with KS feels much better than fatebound

glass mortar
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guys can we talk about how its been at least 6 minutes already and @gaunt phoenix hasnt simmed the new kspree changes yet

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????

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omg

covert kestrel
tepid skiff
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i have no data on this just vibes and from all the ptr testing that goes into rwf

frail veldt
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you dont want to be top 3 specs imo

strong halo
frail veldt
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thats target on back type shi

covert kestrel
red zinc
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aw hell naw they timegating houses?

lone crow
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my god

gaunt phoenix
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Random but looks like they also increased the trickster 2pc damage increase to 35%

lone crow
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finally

frail veldt
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I think we effectively know nothing about how "good" outlaw will be next season

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at this point

late swallow
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KING SHIT

frail veldt
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lol

gaunt phoenix
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well yeah

copper radish
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trickster HO looking like its cooking now.... lol

late swallow
rich moon
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so did we just get a solid damage increase?

late swallow
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klarna addon in wow when? so I can finance my house?

keen belfry
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does this make ks a non cancel thing now probs

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43% is a lot

red zinc
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dawg why is there a leveling system for houses where you unlock furniture from doing monthly events

frail veldt
gaunt phoenix
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you wont cancel it

red zinc
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wtf goin on

shell lark
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Imagine patch note is already out for 10 minutes and no sim yet /s

covert kestrel
umbral verge
keen belfry
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i think thats better than cancelling it, long channel that you cancel < longer channel that dont you cancel it hink

frail veldt
strong halo
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Sim ? SIM? SIM?

frail veldt
covert kestrel
keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
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i mean i like big dam

mighty pivot
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KS does over 6 mil damage at 7 CP with the buff at ~710 ilvl and I checked it does indeed not proc FF - not that it matters

red zinc
glass mortar
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guy also posted recommending a shorter channel on the forums didnt he

red zinc
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saw this ui

indigo token
keen belfry
craggy barn
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huge buffa

vivid vessel
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I love how theyu asked us for feedback !

strong halo
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I think you guys arent seeing the bigger picture

vivid vessel
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and then ignored all of it !

frail veldt
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well

vivid vessel
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holy shmoly

frail veldt
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our feedback was wrong

normal forge
sharp hinge
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looks away for 2 min 150 discord messages pop up

vivid vessel
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meh whatever

image.png
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is it in

indigo token
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you act as if ptr ever matters

glass mortar
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idk why ask for forum feedback even

vivid vessel
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i dont see a diffy

strong halo
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More cast time = less keys pressed = smaller skill gap = im basically tied with zac in dps

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
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they already had the idea of increasing its cd when they came in the day it was announced

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they clearly wanted to do that

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then they did it and never tested any of our feedback on the ability

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entire ptr cycle

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kinda crazy

red zinc
mighty pivot
vivid vessel
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its not in then

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or well

keen belfry
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also, fatebound playing KS for sure now ya?

vivid vessel
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no its in ?

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just

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its still separated

gaunt phoenix
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yea

vivid vessel
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but both do the same damage

glass mortar
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idk about for sure

covert heart
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I think they should make ks 15 secs long

red zinc
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im confused

glass mortar
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i could see it playing it tho

mighty pivot
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the change is in

red zinc
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what happened

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what change

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
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@vivid vessel wya in ptr

opal raven
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What's the actual chance % of outlaw outdpsing assa pls in s3

glass mortar
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43% raw damage basically

red zinc
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buh

glass mortar
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and tier set got buffed for trickster which is to no surprise

red zinc
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i mean look

glass mortar
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it was weaker then lives

red zinc
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They literally did everything i asked for

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I just didnt ask for good things

glass mortar
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well then i h8 u

red zinc
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My fault guys

glass mortar
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and u should feel bad

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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go stick ur head in a pond

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😠

red zinc
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the coup effectiveness thing and higher damage ks was the thing I was posting about mainly

strong halo
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@vivid vessel stream? stream?

red zinc
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As somewhat of a troll

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Lmfao

glass mortar
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yea i mean idk

vivid vessel
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you know

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its even lazier

red zinc
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150% coup effectiveness is cool though

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I dont mind that

vivid vessel
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than making the channe ldamage go up

proven ocean
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guys

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are the buffs live

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or what

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?

gaunt phoenix
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they are

proven ocean
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on ptr rn?

glass mortar
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i dont even really see them taking feedback into these changes. the first night we got new ks realz posted in here saying they were considering increasing its cd and to give feedback

proven ocean
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fr fr?

glass mortar
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we gave feedback

red zinc
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I mean

glass mortar
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and what we got was 100% increase to cd, and then buffing its damage until we'd stop canceling it

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and thats it

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bare minimum effort

covert kestrel
glass mortar
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w/e

vivid vessel
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guyyys

real valley
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outlaw saved and meta?

proven ocean
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@vivid vessel wanna play ptr

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now

vivid vessel
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its not over guys Clueless

proven ocean
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or

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googogogog

vivid vessel
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more will come

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no

red zinc
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Just decrease channel duration but keep same dps

proven ocean
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zac

vivid vessel
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i have raid in 490 in

proven ocean
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come

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ptr

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or

vivid vessel
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40min

proven ocean
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i will fk ur ass

red zinc
#

And then theres barely any complaints left

proven ocean
#

irl

red zinc
#

I mean

vivid vessel
#

will eat first

proven ocean
#

ok

red zinc
#

the inconsistency issues are there but they aint fixing that i know that much

sharp hinge
balmy topaz
#

43% increase to 0 is still 0

normal forge
#

they dont say by how much Unseen Blade damage was increased

Trickster
Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Unseen Blade damage increase and chance to trigger an additional time increased to 35% (was 30%).

gaunt phoenix
normal forge
#

ah ok

red zinc
#

Their pasted tooltip reads weird

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Clear ingame

craggy barn
#

holy 150% increased damage on 2nd coup

red zinc
covert kestrel
mighty pivot
#

+50%

strong halo
#

So does this buff make us op for wrong reasons and when they nerf us we will become shit spec with 10 second cast time?

glass mortar
#

no lol

covert kestrel
red zinc
#

Jesus

glass mortar
#

all these buffs and we might be similar relative power to live?

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probably not tho

craggy barn
#

hm

glass mortar
#

the cd nerf was an 8% nerf

craggy barn
#

solo

red zinc
#

10s cast time

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Goofy

craggy barn
#

the wording on the patch note

glass mortar
#

is 43% more kspree damage enough to make up 8% damage loss

craggy barn
#

its still technically an offhand shot right

keen belfry
glass mortar
#

i hope

strong halo
craggy barn
#

for proc purposes

red zinc
gaunt phoenix
mighty pivot
craggy barn
#

ok

balmy topaz
craggy barn
#

making sure

covert kestrel
gaunt phoenix
#

but it means more main gauches

craggy barn
gaunt phoenix
#

i suppose

craggy barn
#

MASTERY BUFF

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huge

keen belfry
#

feels better to full channel and have it do dmg tbh

red zinc
#

Mastery trinket

vivid vessel
red zinc
#

The return

vivid vessel
#

8 % is massive

craggy barn
#

pepw

glass mortar
#

yea thats what i thought

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so we are still weaker then live relatively

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with same kspree cast time

red zinc
#

I mean tier might be pretty okayge

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I cant do the math

covert kestrel
keen belfry
#

unseen blade and coup do so much dmg

craggy barn
#

so whats the deal with us doing less damage than live?

red zinc
#

Tier buff is like 3-4% dps or naw

glass mortar
#

not less

#

lower relative

craggy barn
#

ah ok

vivid vessel
frail veldt
vivid vessel
#

till today we were doing less

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lol

glass mortar
#

ok but if ur doing less actual dps then live its ping

#

theres no way 20 ilvl

vivid vessel
#

my ass its ping

glass mortar
#

is less dps then the nerfs they did

keen belfry
#

i was doing 3mil dps st

vivid vessel
#

imma ping you

frail veldt
#

yeah less RELATIVE damage

keen belfry
#

i dont think thats less

red zinc
#

I mean lowkey

frail veldt
#

as in we are lower in the pack

glass mortar
#

20 ilvl is at least 20% dps overall

red zinc
#

You were doing close to less dps than live

glass mortar
#

should be more tho

red zinc
#

im deadass

frail veldt
#

weran read

red zinc
#

With more gear

craggy barn
#

guys

glass mortar
#

no mewo

red zinc
#

not even relative

glass mortar
#

zac is saying we literally do less raw dps

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then live

strong halo
#

@vivid vessel have u tried pracitcing rotation in PTR maybe your KS channel isnt going BRRRR enough

glass mortar
#

not relative

craggy barn
#

we are doing less bc of junkbunker

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they saw our parses on junk man

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and said outlaw cant do that

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anymore

red zinc
#

you literally did like 10m on dummies the first cycle vs 9.5 on live

frail veldt
#

that seems like cap

covert kestrel
#

all my friends are in here, makes me feel so happy peepoHappy

craggy barn
#

am i ur fren

vivid vessel
#

bro i go on first pack floodgate i can never match live dps

#

never

sharp hinge
red zinc
#

krill issue

vivid vessel
#

idk how it works

craggy barn
#

Gladge frens

vivid vessel
#

im just saying

frail veldt
red zinc
#

fronteir we got beef

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no friend

frail veldt
#

theres no denying that

vivid vessel
#

i look at details

proven ocean
#

outlaw is legit gonna be broken now

strong halo
#

Ross is FEASTING rn

vivid vessel
#

and im lower than on live

proven ocean
#

3% buff from monk

#

and

frail veldt
#

wait

#

wait

proven ocean
#

tier set buffs

covert kestrel
sharp hinge
vivid vessel
#

ross shut the fuck up you monke

fluid vortex
#

wait

proven ocean
#

like

frail veldt
#

oh nvm

proven ocean
#

stfu zac

fluid vortex
#

i posted in outlaw

craggy barn
#

classic ross vs zac

vivid vessel
#

i swear to god this guy

red zinc
proven ocean
#

stop being an idiot zac

fluid vortex
red zinc
#

Im a stealthi day1

proven ocean
#

ur legit

#

so stupid

vivid vessel
#

haha

craggy barn
proven ocean
#

its crazy

#

outlaw

#

3% from monk

#

8%

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and

#

tier set buffs

#

now

#

outlaw will do

covert kestrel
proven ocean
#

1000% more dmg

#

than everyone

#

its crazy

#

like

craggy barn
vivid vessel
#

bro a master at rage baiting

#

i need to eat brb

glass mortar
#

zac this is such low tier bait

craggy barn
#

1000%

proven ocean
#

its legit op already on PTR

glass mortar
#

y bite

proven ocean
#

?????????

vivid vessel
#

haha

proven ocean
#

i know

strong halo
#

@proven ocean Can we get this guy a t itle? #1 outlaw hater

proven ocean
#

like

red zinc
#

zeross the goat no cap

proven ocean
#

its crazy how zac

craggy barn
#

hey ross

glass mortar
#

ross

proven ocean
#

tries to make everyone think outlaw is bad

glass mortar
#

u shoulda waited 1 day

craggy barn
#

u a big mog guy?

proven ocean
#

monk literally is at 8% now

glass mortar
#

and been like "i playtested"

gilded karma
#

@vivid vessel outlaw tier?

proven ocean
#

mystic touch

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and

glass mortar
#

would made it 100% better bait

proven ocean
#

tier set got buffed alot

gilded karma
#

do I need to gear outlaw

proven ocean
#

and ur pretending

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its bad

#

its crazy zac

vivid vessel
gilded karma
#

and embarrass meyself

proven ocean
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
#

Guys

gilded karma
vivid vessel
#

Raid in 30min

balmy topaz
craggy barn
#

are u gonna r1 this time zac

lime lake
#

ssor

red zinc
#

no

vivid vessel
#

@gaunt phoenix was ks good in sims with fatebound, Idk if you ever simed it

gilded karma
#

fantasizing

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keen belfry
#

@gaunt phoenix does 2nd coup doing % more dmg makes us want to finish at max cps, leading to pressing ps at times where we otherwise wouldnt?

red zinc
#

kieron piss boy

balmy topaz
glass mortar
#

ks was like 0.8% dps for fatebound in s1

#

nobody touched it

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
#

iirc

gaunt phoenix
#

but idr how much

vivid vessel
#

But like

copper radish
vivid vessel
#

Big number or what

#

It's one finisher every 20s

gilded karma
gaunt phoenix
#

dont member

vivid vessel
#

Can't be that bad

#

Right

balmy topaz
gilded karma
#

it's combat!

balmy topaz
#

OH SHIT

#

DUCK

timber knoll
#

Are we back

balmy topaz
#

FUCK

#

I am blind

red zinc
#

Goobers gotta realize

gaunt phoenix
craggy barn
#

rogue on classic is funny

red zinc
#

Outlaw would have to be like 40% more st than other specs to even be considered for raid

#

this tier

craggy barn
#

throw weapon is .5cast and doesnt trigger gcd

red zinc
#

these bosses are DOOMED

gaunt phoenix
#

but maybe

red zinc
#

and thats fine

#

it happens

keen belfry
#

i was just speaking in general sense of the tier

vivid vessel
red zinc
#

wait zac does new ks give outlaw burst

vivid vessel
keen belfry
#

i was pressing pistol shot at 2/3 cps to get 2nd coup at max

red zinc
#

please

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
#

OH so now its legit stronger

hallow spoke
#

the PTR changes mean anything?

glass mortar
#

yes awang putting the damage amp on coup on the second coup would try to incentivize sending at maximum cp better

keen belfry
#

nice

red zinc
#

id hope this also gives more cdr though

#

Surely

next wedge
#

i havent seen new tier bosses, are we just being doomers?

remote pecan
#

Praying my kid falls asleep rn so I can join raid testing prayers

keen belfry
red zinc
glass mortar
#

if its enough or not of course depends on sims

timber knoll
#

New raid has lots of downtime for outlaw or what?

upper surge
#

Yeah but has anyone done the new delves to see if theyre any good

sharp hinge
#

well that settles it, looks like we can still enjoy rogue next season??

red zinc
#

Anyone tested yet if higher effectiveness coup gives more cdr

vivid vessel
#

But building with SS with coup means you get less coup guys

#

Think!

glass mortar
#

thats not how cdr works

red zinc
#

i mean idk if 150% effectiveness gives more free combo points

#

Spaghetti code

gaunt phoenix
next wedge
upper surge
glass mortar
#

do u think its pretending it has 150% CP or

#

cause thatd be wild

red zinc
#

im not thinking anything idk what to expect from lizzard

sharp hinge
hallow spoke
upper surge
#

Get half a combo point

vivid vessel
#

Ye

#

Big half cp cdr

#

Surely the code can handle that

next wedge
#

oh is there new ptr notes

vivid vessel
#

And it won't break the whole game

patent mirage
#

i just came to see the word buffs

#

best day ever

red zinc
#

just test it cuh

#

ill log in myself in like 2 minutes

fossil lintel
#

Not cancelling KS with it's current duration is rough

vivid vessel
#

Bro it won't work that way lol

sharp hinge
vivid vessel
#

They already can't handle normal interactions

#

Xs

gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
#

You dreaming rn

gaunt phoenix
#

the spell data change is just damage

red zinc
balmy topaz
#

Could they just like

#

Reduce the duration tho

#

Plz

red zinc
glass mortar
#

apparently not

red zinc
#

This code is completely fucked

#

Anything can happen

#

just asking

craggy barn
#

game is old af

glass mortar
#

i just dont rlly understand why ask for player feedback then ignore 99% of it

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

they got all the feedback theyve responded to basically night 1 when realz was in here

balmy topaz
keen belfry
#

i wonder how often you can KS - COUP COUP - SS (tier proc) - SS (tier proc) COUP COUP

#

that would be a cool loop

upper surge
glass mortar
#

nah theres a fuckton of good solutions on the forums from the high end rogue guys in here

#

and a pretty general consensus that outlaw rogues dont want a 5 second long channel spell

vivid vessel
#

cast time too long

glass mortar
#

but ur missing alot of context here

#

its ok

#

ig what u mean

vivid vessel
#

CAST TIME TOO LONG

gaunt phoenix
#

get out fake rogue

mighty pivot
vivid vessel
#

ITS TOO LONG

#

LARIAS

#

HOW DO YOU FICX

craggy barn
#

u dont hate cast time? not a real rogue

vivid vessel
#

CAST TIME TOO LONG

upper surge
gaunt phoenix
#

yeah they fixed tails breaking ks

vivid vessel
#

which

#

idk prolly irrelevant

#

if its relevant i cut my ballsack

upper surge
#

Wait until you clip the end of the KS to cast another one

#

9s KS

next wedge
#

there's no way that exists

vivid vessel
#

you dont get cdr while in ks

#

so

#

good luck with that

next wedge
#

isnt KS a 3m CD

vivid vessel
#

fake rogue

silver sluice
remote pecan
#

Wait till we find a new supercharger bug where ks channels forever

upper surge
#

It was an evoker reference smh

silver sluice
#

I hope anyway

next wedge
#

assassination players pikasmh

glass mortar
#

ok be fair, hes a dev evoker main

#

talking to him about channels is probably

red zinc
#

"We heard your feedback about the Trickster 4P being too weak, and have changed it to the following:

Killing Spree may now be activated a second time within 5 sec, dealing 150% of normal damage.

We hope this leads to more engaging gameplay."

upper surge
#

I love casting 5 disintegrate in a row

harsh forge
#

ANOTHER 8% FOR ASSASSINATION LETS GOOOO

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fossil lintel
red zinc
silver sluice
#

Was sin down bad in raid testing that much? They looked/felt fine in the m+ I ran. DMG felt ok

#

I didn't raid test though

glass mortar
#

all rogue specs were down bad

next wedge
#

i just joined a CE guild and my biggest fear is that they will force me to play assa

glass mortar
#

im surprised sub didnt get more buffs

upper surge
#

Assassination rogue is the boring one imo

glass mortar
#

tbh

weary cargo
#

legooo

silver sluice
craggy barn
#

using the snd bug to sprint through legacy content is huge

weary cargo
#

atleast something

mighty pivot
craggy barn
#

fb + snd bug = always grapplin

covert kestrel
#

but muh 1hr trix

next wedge
#

1 hr trick is something that i have gotten dangerously used to

upper surge
#

Grapple pantsgrab

keen belfry
#

yeah we have to play trickster in keys

#

or i afk

red zinc
#

never let fatebound become meta for m+

indigo token
#

also sin on ST is misery

red zinc
#

thank you lord amen

upper surge
#

Listen it's either this channel or the fury warrior channel where they're having a mental breakdown

next wedge
#

sin has DoTs tho so downtime isnt as bad for them

vivid vessel
#

surely

#

this is enough

#

to nevber be a build

#

ever

glass mortar
#

this channel is always a good time, especially when it isnt

next wedge
#

what's going on in fury land?

upper surge
#

They spent 6 hours dooming

keen belfry
mighty pivot
#

they should put CB on RB garf_sit

fossil lintel
#

Well, if KS is 14% of our damage now and doesn't prio at all, how much are we losing?

upper surge
#

What the fuck is wrong with your name

craggy barn
keen belfry
tight egret
vivid vessel
#

but you can just cast ks at 1 cp

glass mortar
vivid vessel
#

and do normal prio damage

#

thoughts

craggy barn
#

weird super charger old tech

glass mortar
#

and they end every single one of their posts with those emojis

covert kestrel
craggy barn
#

idk how to explain itw el

upper surge
#

Ahh

keen belfry
#

wait is fatebound giga prio? or opposite? im confused

limpid kiln
#

chat is Outlaw rogue the best spec and if not why are you wrong

craggy barn
#

its reverse prio

fossil lintel
#

And lose 12% of your damage

vivid vessel
#

its trash prio

keen belfry
#

why?

glass mortar
#

in aoe its negative prio

#

in ST there is no prio damage in st

#

so its negative prio

gaunt phoenix
#

in aoe you lose tails damage and lose dispatch dmg on main target

glass mortar
#

because two of its nodes turn off from doing ST damage in aoe

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

for some reason

craggy barn
#

its such a weird damage profile

normal forge
#

they fixed a part of ks this xpack, now its harder to get killed by it,

lets just wait couple more xpack so they can shorten the channel time

craggy barn
#

that hasnt ever needed to exist

vivid vessel
#

every spec in teh game funnel btw

#

outalw?

#

lose prio iun aoe '

#

gg

keen belfry
#

guys, 25 stacks of flawless form

#

isnt that sick?

vivid vessel
#

prio spec btw

glass mortar
#

thats kinda cute yea

keen belfry
#

yes

#

i did the KS coup coup ss ss coup coup loop

mighty pivot
#

@vivid vessel I don't think they fixed CB being consumed by tails, I just had a coin crit but the dispatch didn't

keen belfry
#

felt lit

glass mortar
#

i feel this is definitly going to at least make getting coups off before vanishes higher prio

keen belfry
#

i wonder if our vanish conditions change a bit more too

#

like, any ks cd has to be even more bad right

glass mortar
#

maybe even worth playing inefficient for? 75% damage amp is no joke

vivid vessel